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DENVERDUI55
09-12-2011, 09:08 PM
Only way to turn this garbage around we got in Denver.

theStifmeister
09-12-2011, 09:11 PM
yeah brother!

Peoples Champ
09-12-2011, 09:13 PM
I don't know hOw the broncos think they can win with orton, is it stubbornness?

spdirty
09-12-2011, 09:14 PM
Week 17 is gonna be the Luck bowl.

Ratboy
09-12-2011, 09:14 PM
We'll go 2-14 looking like this.

Ratboy
09-12-2011, 09:15 PM
Week 17 is gonna be the Luck bowl.

We'll be in the running and win that game, only to eff us in the ass.

Marshall Dumervil
09-12-2011, 09:17 PM
Only way to turn this garbage around we got in Denver.

**** you guys, giving up already. this board is a bunch of ****ing posers

TheReverend
09-12-2011, 09:18 PM
We would draft him 6 years after we drafted Jay.

Effectively setting the team back 6 years.

Un-****ing-real.

Broncos4Life
09-12-2011, 09:20 PM
Ummmm Tebow?

spdirty
09-12-2011, 09:21 PM
We'll be in the running and win that game, only to eff us in the ass.

If that is gonna be the Luck Bowl, Elway will do everything in his power to ensure we lose.

Agamemnon
09-12-2011, 09:21 PM
We could also actually give our recent 1st round QB a shot. But that would be crazy...

peacepipe
09-12-2011, 09:21 PM
We would draft him 6 years after we drafted Jay.

Effectively setting the team back 6 years.

Un-****ing-real.

as opposed to 10 yrs with tebow?

spdirty
09-12-2011, 09:23 PM
**** you guys, giving up already. this board is a bunch of ****ing posers

Oh, so I can assume then that your pissed we lost to San Diego and for that were awarded Von miller.

Agamemnon
09-12-2011, 09:24 PM
**** you guys, giving up already. this board is a bunch of ****ing posers

We have Orton as our QB. There will be no comeback.

LongDongJohnson
09-12-2011, 10:24 PM
Ummmm Tebow?

Ummmm no?

UberBroncoMan
09-12-2011, 10:49 PM
I think most of us can agree Luck appears to have a brighter NFL QB future than Tebow. He's a pure pocket passer with rushing ability. Tebow is a rusher with passing ability.

Agamemnon
09-12-2011, 10:51 PM
I think most of us can agree Luck appears to have a brighter NFL QB future than Tebow. He's a pure pocket passer with rushing ability. Tebow is a rusher with passing ability.

Maybe. But one is on our team and the other isn't. This team has so many needs they can't afford to draft another QB in the 1st round without giving the last one an honest shot first.

peacepipe
09-12-2011, 10:52 PM
Maybe. But one is on our team and the other isn't. This team has so many needs they can't afford to draft another QB in the 1st round without giving the last one an honest shot first.yeah they can & they will if luck or another top notch QB is there at their pick. needs at other positions go out the window when it comes to franchise QBs.

Crushaholic
09-12-2011, 10:54 PM
We need a LOT more than Luck to turn this around...ugh!~

Agamemnon
09-12-2011, 10:56 PM
yeah they can & they will if luck or another top notch QB is there at their pick.

Are you saying that you think that's actually a good idea? Don't even let a guy we spent a 1st round pick on get on the field before spending another pick on the same position? Tebow's first three starts were above average for franchise QBs, and you think it's wise to spend more resources on the position without at least giving him a shot?

maven
09-12-2011, 10:57 PM
Are you saying that you think that's actually a good idea? Don't even let a guy we spent a 1st round pick on get on the field before spending another pick on the same position? Tebow's first three starts were above average for franchise QBs, and you think it's wise to spend more resources on the position without at least giving him a shot?

1st round QB's are cheap now. Anything is possible.

peacepipe
09-12-2011, 10:59 PM
Are you saying that you think that's actually a good idea? Don't even let a guy we spent a 1st round pick on get on the field before spending another pick on the same position? Tebow's first three starts were above average for franchise QBs, and you think it's wise to spend more resources on the position without at least giving him a shot?he got his shot & couldn't beat out quinn for #2 let alone beat out orton.

enjolras
09-12-2011, 11:05 PM
We need a LOT more than Luck to turn this around...ugh!~

Look at Indy with and without Peyton Manning. Look at the Broncos in 2000. Don't tell me that a great QB can't instantly turn this around.

That's the Broncos problem. I don't think they're going to be bad enough to get that franchise QB in the draft. I don't think we'll ever even sniff being good until we do. The same can be said for the Chiefs and Raiders btw.

spdirty
09-12-2011, 11:07 PM
Are you saying that you think that's actually a good idea? Don't even let a guy we spent a 1st round pick on get on the field before spending another pick on the same position? Tebow's first three starts were above average for franchise QBs, and you think it's wise to spend more resources on the position without at least giving him a shot?

If we had the #1 pick and didn't take luck, we'd regret it the rest of our ****ing lives.

Momentum
09-12-2011, 11:17 PM
The Broncos will find a way to get Luck. John Elway has pretty much said it if you can read between the lines.

Agamemnon
09-12-2011, 11:43 PM
If we had the #1 pick and didn't take luck, we'd regret it the rest of our ****ing lives.

Because he's a sure thing? There's no such thing my friend.

peacepipe
09-12-2011, 11:44 PM
Because he's a sure thing? There's no such thing my friend.

LOL tebust is proof of that!

Agamemnon
09-12-2011, 11:45 PM
he got his shot & couldn't beat out quinn for #2 let alone beat out orton.

When people post this garbage, especially after tonight all I can do is: ::)

Agamemnon
09-12-2011, 11:46 PM
LOL tebust is proof of that!

Some retards are born to be ignored.

Crow
09-13-2011, 12:56 AM
Scary thought, Luck landing in Denver. It's obvious they don't have any faith in lolTebow. But, from a rival standpoint, I certainly hope he gets on the field and does just enough to earn a longer leash.

Andrew Luck is going to come into the league and take a really bad team to the playoffs in about 2 years, 3 tops. Tebow...well...at least revenue from jersey sales is up. That has to count for something.

Durango
09-13-2011, 03:55 AM
We would draft him 6 years after we drafted Jay.

Effectively setting the team back 6 years.

Un-****ing-real.

Exactly. What an unbelievably nightmarish journey from then to now.

spdirty
09-13-2011, 05:30 AM
Because he's a sure thing? There's no such thing my friend.

Elway was a sure thing...

alkemical
09-13-2011, 05:49 AM
The Broncos will find a way to get Luck. John Elway has pretty much said it if you can read between the lines.

Trade Champ Bailey, three number one draft picks, Al Davis' belt buckle....and an autographed poster of #7.

TheReverend
09-13-2011, 07:06 AM
Hypothetically speaking, let's say we did suck for Luck and got him.

Does anyone seriously trust Gase, McCoy and Fox with Luck?

ColoradoBuff
09-13-2011, 07:14 AM
Something has to change....Orton is not gonna get it done and I don't think we have a QB on the roster that will.

oubronco
09-13-2011, 07:46 AM
I don't know hOw the broncos think they can win with orton, is it stubbornness?

Offensive lineman Chris Kuper on the booing of Orton:

I dont know why. If were not doing the job up front, no one else can do their job. We couldnt move them and establish a running game and that affected everything.

alkemical
09-13-2011, 07:53 AM
I know Orton's a good team guy, the guys in CHI liked him.

Ugh, suck suck suck.

spdirty
09-13-2011, 07:56 AM
Hypothetically speaking, let's say we did suck for Luck and got him.

Does anyone seriously trust Gase, McCoy and Fox with Luck?

Great players make the coach look great. We need talent more than anything. I dont hate Tebow or anything, but he hasnt earned my trust that he will be the franchise qb that this team needs. And until he gets his shot and proves it on the field, I won't trust him.

Wish we could just play him, theres no point in starting Orton anymore. Well, except for money issues. Sickening.

DENVERDUI55
09-13-2011, 08:46 AM
Because he's a sure thing? There's no such thing my friend.

He is about as sure as there has been in awhile. San Diego green bay Atlanta Pittsburgh all were turned around because of franchise q. Makes everyone better.

DENVERDUI55
09-13-2011, 08:47 AM
Hypothetically speaking, let's say we did suck for Luck and got him.

Does anyone seriously trust Gase, McCoy and Fox with Luck?

I trust lucks dad who already has put a ton of work in with him.

alkemical
09-13-2011, 08:48 AM
Because he's a sure thing? There's no such thing my friend.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTUTsywKAytaSMWo3tBIm0oIhNZg95Tu eoA9BvfztoGcmfyMZ7zyQ

Greatspirits
09-13-2011, 02:39 PM
I'm officially on board!!

peacepipe
09-13-2011, 02:42 PM
Hypothetically speaking, let's say we did suck for Luck and got him.

Does anyone seriously trust Gase, McCoy and Fox with Luck?They'd probably get rid of McCoy & gase

Agamemnon
09-13-2011, 02:42 PM
I really can't believe how many people are down with drafting another QB without at least giving the most recent pick a chance first. You guys do realize we have A LOT of other needs right?

And besides we are very unlikely to get the #1 pick.

peacepipe
09-13-2011, 02:45 PM
I really can't believe how many people are down with drafting another QB without at least giving the most recent pick a chance first. You guys do realize we have A LOT of other needs right?

Tebow will get his shot this yr. Also considering how much of an impact P. Manning gave the colts,luck is worth going for. a franchise QB can cover up alot of holes.

BroncoBuff
09-13-2011, 02:50 PM
If that is gonna be the Luck Bowl, Elway will do everything in his power to ensure we lose.

If we're in the Luck-running in Week 17, I will become the biggest chefs fan on the planet. f Orton, f Quinn, f Tebow, f the Broncos. I'll be wearing red.

But it's so doubtful we'll get Luck or even be in the running. I think we all know the odds are we'll win 4 or 5 and draft 6th or 7th ... and on and on we'll go until John straightens all this out.

Agamemnon
09-13-2011, 02:52 PM
If we're in the Luck-running in Week 17, I will become the biggest chefs fan on the planet. f Orton, f Quinn, f Tebow, f the Broncos. I'll be wearing red.

But it's so doubtful we'll get Luck or even be in the running. I think we all know the odds are we'll win 4 or 5 and draft 6th or 7th ... and on and on we'll go until John straightens all this out.

John isn't going to straighten anything out you fool. The guy was unqualified for the job, but was given it because of who he is. It's pure croneyism and it generally results in bad things.

bendog
09-13-2011, 03:00 PM
John isn't going to straighten anything out you fool. The guy was unqualified for the job, but was given it because of who he is. It's pure croneyism and it generally results in bad things.

God damn, it's Karnak!

Agamemnon
09-13-2011, 03:08 PM
God damn, it's Karnak!

:kiddingme

BroncoBuff
09-13-2011, 03:11 PM
John isn't going to straighten anything out you fool. The guy was unqualified for the job, but was given it because of who he is. It's pure croneyism and it generally results in bad things.

Well WTF else do we have Karnac?!

Ain't no mayonnaise jars waiting for us at Funk And Wagnall's port, ya weiner.

We suck.

Agamemnon
09-13-2011, 03:13 PM
Well WTF else do we have Karnac?!

Ain't no mayonnaise jars waiting for us at Funk And Wagnall's port, ya weiner.

We suck.

We have the new Matt Millen it seems to me...

BroncoBuff
09-13-2011, 03:15 PM
Besides, cronyism is how all non-player jobs are filled in this league.

John paid some dues with the Crush. Besides, Shanahan kept him at arm's length for ten years, and he never bitched. It's his turn.

BroncoBuff
09-13-2011, 03:18 PM
Shouldn't dis John like that, joke or no joke. He has 8 months on the job with the worst off-season imaginable.

And for the nth time, wtf are you? PEOPLE WHO CHANGE THEIR NAMES (and then won't tell you who they really are) ARE COWARDS.

Agamemnon
09-13-2011, 03:18 PM
Besides, cronyism is how all non-player jobs are filled in this league.

John paid some dues with the Crush. Besides, Shanahan kept him at arm's length for ten years, and he never b****ed. It's his turn.

You do understand that Elway being a great player doesn't make him qualified for the job he was given right? And neither does running a team that didn't even play real football. You get that right?

Agamemnon
09-13-2011, 03:23 PM
Shouldn't dis John like that, joke or no joke. He has 8 months on the job with the worst off-season imaginable.

And for the nth time, wtf are you? PEOPLE WHO CHANGE THEIR NAMES (and then won't tell you who they really are) ARE COWARDS.

Huh? I haven't changed my name. What the **** are you talking about?

And just so you know I watched Elway from the age of six or seven to the age of 19. I loved him as our QB. But unlike you I realize that that did not make him qualified to run this team. And now that he's been in charge for a time?

He hired the one coach that had a worse record than us last year. He kept a complete joke of a GM in Xanders. He did nothing to fix our problems on either side of the ball. He failed to move Orton so we could start actually rebuilding. So far he has done nothing but look like what he is: a complete noob.

spdirty
09-13-2011, 05:34 PM
If we're in the Luck-running in Week 17, I will become the biggest chefs fan on the planet. f Orton, f Quinn, f Tebow, f the Broncos. I'll be wearing red.

But it's so doubtful we'll get Luck or even be in the running. I think we all know the odds are we'll win 4 or 5 and draft 6th or 7th ... and on and on we'll go until John straightens all this out.

I respect your pessimism, that attitude usually brings good karma. We have a coach that can do it though, and with that playcalling, oline, dine, and Orton, anythings possible.

We might not have champ or doom against cincy. We lose that game and we are nearly frontrunners.

spdirty
09-13-2011, 05:43 PM
We have the new Matt Millen it seems to me...

If we had the new Matt Millen AJ Green would be on this team.

rbackfactory80
09-14-2011, 02:40 AM
I don't know hOw the broncos think they can win with orton, is it stubbornness?

They don't think we can win with Orton. They know if we keep Orton in we probably won't win a game and will pick first next season.

alkemical
09-14-2011, 06:31 AM
Hypothetically speaking, let's say we did suck for Luck and got him.

Does anyone seriously trust Gase, McCoy and Fox with Luck?

I hear this Josh McDaniels guy is good with QB's....

Just sayin'.

dbfan4life
09-14-2011, 06:54 AM
The majority of you are...well, there are no words. Rooting for your team to lose? Nice...

TonyR
09-14-2011, 07:14 AM
You do understand that Elway being a great player doesn't make him qualified for the job he was given right?

Well, yes. But it also doesn't make him unqualified. You can't just assume he's Matt Millen and he's going to fail. He could be Ozzie Newsome and he's going to succeed.

Mile High Mojoe
09-14-2011, 07:35 AM
We play to win every game, this BS about sucking to pick a QB who is maybe the most overrated since Ryan Leaf is nonsense. F*** LUCK!

spdirty
09-14-2011, 07:58 AM
We play to win every game, this BS about sucking to pick a QB who is maybe the most overrated since Ryan Leaf is nonsense. **** LUCK!

Do you like Von Miller? Are you glad he's on our team?

Boltjolt
09-14-2011, 10:20 AM
Hate to say this but KC is a worse team than you so i think they have a better chance at Luck but then again, they gave Cassell 60 million so maybe they still dont think they need him.

Hopefully neither of you get him.

But c-mon, you have these guys right now so how can you get the #1 pick?


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16088886/ortondriving6.gif

TheChamp24
09-14-2011, 08:03 PM
Hate to say this but KC is a worse team than you so i think they have a better chance at Luck but then again, they gave Cassell 60 million so maybe they still dont think they need him.

Hopefully neither of you get him.

But c-mon, you have these guys right now so how can you get the #1 pick?


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16088886/ortondriving6.gif

Man, who would know back when Zoolander came out one scene would become a massive internet meme.

That aside, with all this hype for Luck, I almost expect him to fail now at the NFL level.

Inkana7
09-14-2011, 08:22 PM
I actually approve of this plan now.

Greatspirits
09-17-2011, 10:38 PM
AL will be a Bronco! EFX are already planning/strategizing on having the #1 pick in next years draft. Thats why there sticking with Orton!!

TDmvp
09-18-2011, 01:17 AM
]Man, who would know back when Zoolander came out one scene would become a massive internet meme.[/B]

That aside, with all this hype for Luck, I almost expect him to fail now at the NFL level.

Hilarious! Had no idea that is where that came from . Never seen the movie but boy have i seen a million redos of that gif and it cracks me up every time.

But yea who would have known such a bad movie could give us that epic win.

Broncos4Life
09-18-2011, 01:38 AM
Are there any intelligent people on this board that actually think we can win with Borton?
No way this team does a 180 any time soon and resembles a team that stops the run and runs the ball down an opposing teams throat, that in turn plays to dickbeards strengths.... Maybe another season. Not this one though. Unless we start Tebow of course and create the most sophisticated running game in the NFL!

If Borton continues to suck ***** and can't git r done, and there is no change at QB to Tebow(not the washed up Quinn), I will be completely convinced that this is a suck for Luck campaign. I'm already about 40% convinced.

Agamemnon
09-18-2011, 01:55 AM
Well, yes. But it also doesn't make him unqualified. You can't just assume he's Matt Millen and he's going to fail. He could be Ozzie Newsome and he's going to succeed.

No, what makes him unqualified is the fact that he has no experience. And please spare me the arena football crap. Or would you be okay with us hiring a guy that had arena football coaching experience as our Head Coach as well?

epicSocialism4tw
09-18-2011, 02:12 AM
Losers. That's what you all are for pulling for Broncos losses.

The Madden generation are a bunch of losers.

epicSocialism4tw
09-18-2011, 02:13 AM
The majority of you are...well, there are no words. Rooting for your team to lose? Nice...

"Losers" would be the word.

Agamemnon
09-18-2011, 02:17 AM
Losers. That's what you all are for pulling for Broncos losses.

The Madden generation are a bunch of losers.

Yeah, it's kind of sad. But I've already come to terms with the fact that Broncos fans aren't quite what they used to be. Kyle Orton's mediocrity at QB would never have been accepted by so many of the Bronco faithful in the past either. Now we have fans that support starting a nobody at QB and/or losing so we can get the #1 pick. Pathetic...

Marshall Dumervil
09-18-2011, 08:49 AM
Do you like Von Miller? Are you glad he's on our team?

Wtf is that supposed to mean? You're happy with the way last season went? Hoping for the same thing to happen again to get Luck I see. Please burn all your Bronco gear asap.

elsid13
09-18-2011, 09:04 AM
We have the new Matt Millen it seems to me...

Why do you keep putting this out there??? There is nothing that Elway has done to indicate he doesn't understand what needs to be done. The only reason that people are going after Elway is because Fox won't start Tebow. Who playing isn't Elway's call it's the coaching staff.

lonestar
09-18-2011, 09:07 AM
No, what makes him unqualified is the fact that he has no experience. And please spare me the arena football crap. Or would you be okay with us hiring a guy that had arena football coaching experience as our Head Coach as well?

that might be better than Fox looks like he is going to be.. BORING

BroncoBuff
09-19-2011, 05:25 PM
Everyone who's sick of Agablamejohn blaming John, say "Aye."

alkemical
09-19-2011, 05:37 PM
I dont care if bronco ball is boring. defensive domination can be fun.

HAT
09-19-2011, 05:38 PM
Everyone who's sick of Agablamejohn, say "Aye."

FYP

Agamemnon
09-19-2011, 05:41 PM
Why do you keep putting this out there??? There is nothing that Elway has done to indicate he doesn't understand what needs to be done. The only reason that people are going after Elway is because Fox won't start Tebow. Who playing isn't Elway's call it's the coaching staff.

No, the reason I am going after Elway is that he was given the job because of his playing career and nothing else. What has followed since has been little more than dishonesty and incompetence by this FO. I'm not going to go into all their moves (or lack thereof) here. They are already well known. And few of them have been very good as far as I'm concerned. The draft looks solid so far, but in every other way, this team just seems exceptionally poorly run to me right now.

HAT
09-19-2011, 05:47 PM
No, the reason I am going after Elway is that he was given the job because of his playing career and nothing else.

Did you want to intern for a few years or what?

alkemical
09-19-2011, 05:48 PM
No, the reason I am going after Elway is that he was given the job because of his playing career and nothing else. What has followed since has been little more than dishonesty and incompetence by this FO. I'm not going to go into all their moves (or lack thereof) here. They are already well known. And few of them have been very good as far as I'm concerned. The draft looks solid so far, but in every other way, this team just seems exceptionally poorly run to me right now.


#pandis

(it is in the urban dictionary)

BroncoBuff
09-19-2011, 05:50 PM
FYP

Close enough.


Next?

spdirty
09-19-2011, 07:29 PM
Wtf is that supposed to mean? You're happy with the way last season went? Hoping for the same thing to happen again to get Luck I see. Please burn all your Bronco gear asap.

Oh **** you. You and drama lama are the losers. The "real fans" that would take 3 straight 7-9 seasons with 3 of those being meaningless than to sacrifice a season so we can actually be SUPER BOWL CONTENDERS in 3 years. SUPER BOWL CONTENDERS because we'll have the talent!!!

Right now, whether Fox guides this team to a 7-9 record or a 1-15 record our talent will still be one of the 5 worst in the league. But "real fans" like you would rather sit in this seemingly never-ending circle of "8-8 is a good year" bull**** than really truly get better.

And before you go on about free agency, Bowlen ain't spending the money on free agents until either he is forced to or this QB issue is resolved. I hope it's resolved either by tebow proving himself or through the draft next year. One way or the other is fine by me. But it needs to be resolved in the next 9 months.

epicSocialism4tw
09-19-2011, 07:39 PM
Oh **** you. You and drama lama are the losers. The "real fans" that would take 3 straight 7-9 seasons with 3 of those being meaningless than to sacrifice a season so we can actually be SUPER BOWL CONTENDERS in 3 years. SUPER BOWL CONTENDERS because we'll have the talent!!!

Right now, whether Fox guides this team to a 7-9 record or a 1-15 record our talent will still be one of the 5 worst in the league. But "real fans" like you would rather sit in this seemingly never-ending circle of "8-8 is a good year" bull**** than really truly get better.

And before you go on about free agency, Bowlen ain't spending the money on free agents until either he is forced to or this QB issue is resolved. I hope it's resolved either by tebow proving himself or through the draft next year. One way or the other is fine by me. But it needs to be resolved in the next 9 months.

The team will not draft Andrew Luck. May as well get used to that fact right now.

spdirty
09-19-2011, 07:47 PM
The team will not draft Andrew Luck. May as well get used to that fact right now.

We have been decimated with injuries, and have a brutal stretch in 9 of the next 10 games. Never say never.

Archer81
09-19-2011, 08:12 PM
Only way to turn this garbage around we got in Denver.

Architect: Hello, Neo

Neo: Who are you?

Architect: I am the Architect. I created the matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also irrelevant.

Neo: Why am I here?

Architect: Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.

Neo: You haven't answered my question.

Architect: Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.

...

Architect: The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

...

:Broncos:

AZorange1
09-19-2011, 08:22 PM
Architect: Hello, Neo

Neo: Who are you?

Architect: I am the Architect. I created the matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also irrelevant.

Neo: Why am I here?

Architect: Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.

Neo: You haven't answered my question.

Architect: Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.

...

Architect: The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

...

:Broncos:

Good Shrooms? When you get time, explain Dark Matter.

maven
09-19-2011, 08:25 PM
The team will not draft Andrew Luck. May as well get used to that fact right now.

They may/may not draft Luck, but they will look at a QB to bring in.

Archer81
09-19-2011, 08:26 PM
Good Shrooms? When you get time, explain Dark Matter.


Its like...matter, right. Thats dark, right. So normal matter, right. Is like...light.

Mind blown.

:Broncos:

Jay3
09-20-2011, 03:41 AM
Are you saying that you think that's actually a good idea? Don't even let a guy we spent a 1st round pick on get on the field before spending another pick on the same position? Tebow's first three starts were above average for franchise QBs, and you think it's wise to spend more resources on the position without at least giving him a shot?

They don't want to see him on the field, because they know in their heart Tebow will surpass the criticism. He might not look like Steve Young out there, but he'll make all the "can't throw, can't play" stuff look stupid. So some people would rather he never get on the field, even if it's not the right thing for the Broncos.

Agamemnon
09-20-2011, 04:21 AM
They don't want to see him on the field, because they know in their heart Tebow will surpass the criticism. He might not look like Steve Young out there, but he'll make all the "can't throw, can't play" stuff look stupid. So some people would rather he never get on the field, even if it's not the right thing for the Broncos.

Wouldn't it better to simply say, "Man, I was wrong, and that's great because now we have our franchise QB"? I know I'd happily eat crow if Orton ever started being a clutch QB that could actually throw for TDs in the redzone. That would be great honestly...

AZorange1
09-20-2011, 11:25 AM
Its like...matter, right. Thats dark, right. So normal matter, right. Is like...light.

Mind blown.

:Broncos:

OHHHHHH, OK, and here all this time I thought Utra Violet was real, right.

bendog
09-20-2011, 11:32 AM
Wouldn't it better to simply say, "Man, I was wrong, and that's great because now we have our franchise QB"? I know I'd happily eat crow if Orton ever started being a clutch QB that could actually throw for TDs in the redzone. That would be great honestly...

If tebow sucks you'll be the first blaming EFX for 'not using him correctly."

smoke4815162342
09-20-2011, 12:45 PM
What happens if we suck for luck, and he decides to stay in school for another year(He is only a JR, redshirted first year on campus)? What if he gets a serious injury and stays for his last year of eligibility? What if he pulls an elway and wants to go to another franchise? What if he doesn't live up to the hype?

Crushaholic
09-20-2011, 12:54 PM
What happens if we suck for luck, and he decides to stay in school for another year(He is only a JR, redshirted first year on campus)? What if he gets a serious injury and stays for his last year of eligibility? What if he pulls an elway and wants to go to another franchise? What if he doesn't live up to the hype?

Then, we draft a position of actual NEED...

strafen
09-20-2011, 01:04 PM
What happens if we suck for luck, and he decides to stay in school for another year(He is only a JR, redshirted first year on campus)? What if he gets a serious injury and stays for his last year of eligibility? What if he pulls an elway and wants to go to another franchise? What if he doesn't live up to the hype?

Andrew Luck is a senior on his last year of eliigibility

elsid13
09-20-2011, 01:08 PM
Andrew Luck is a senior on his last year of eliigibility

He is Red Shirt JR (academic SR), which means he does have one year of eligibility left he can use. It if doubtful that happens because he will have his degree after January but it could happen.

fontaine
09-20-2011, 01:11 PM
No, the reason I am going after Elway is that he was given the job because of his playing career and nothing else. What has followed since has been little more than dishonesty and incompetence by this FO. I'm not going to go into all their moves (or lack thereof) here. They are already well known. And few of them have been very good as far as I'm concerned. The draft looks solid so far, but in every other way, this team just seems exceptionally poorly run to me right now.

1. Elway also ran another football organisation before so it's not like he's a total noob.

2. The draft is the only thing the FO needs to get right.

3. McGahee/Bunkley are already better additions than any of the RB/DL garbage the previous FO brought along.

bendog
09-20-2011, 01:21 PM
1. Elway also ran another football organisation before so it's not like he's a total noob.

2. The draft is the only thing the FO needs to get right.

3. McGahee/Bunkley are already better additions than any of the RB/DL garbage the previous FO brought along.

1. If tebow isn't starting, the tebowites will bitch about EFX regardless of any fact.

snowspot66
09-20-2011, 01:33 PM
We have been decimated with injuries, and have a brutal stretch in 9 of the next 10 games. Never say never.

We would have to be swept by the Chiefs. How else would we have a worse record than them? They could flirt with 0-16.

BroncoMan4ever
09-20-2011, 01:39 PM
I hate this suck for Luck talk. no QB has ever been the talk of more hype before he has even set foot in an NFL locker room. the draft is a crap shoot and every year there are can't miss prospects who MISS. i just hate the notion of purposely sucking for this guy when he has just as good a shot or quite possibly a better shot of being the next Ryan Leaf as he does of being the next Peyton Manning.

smoke4815162342
09-20-2011, 01:41 PM
Andrew Luck is a senior on his last year of eliigibility

Incorrect. He's a junior in his fourth year of eligibility because he redshirted his freshmen year.

Agamemnon
09-20-2011, 04:16 PM
1. Elway also ran another football organisation before so it's not like he's a total noob.

2. The draft is the only thing the FO needs to get right.

3. McGahee/Bunkley are already better additions than any of the RB/DL garbage the previous FO brought along.

Wow...

Hilarious!

Agamemnon
09-20-2011, 04:17 PM
If tebow sucks you'll be the first blaming EFX for 'not using him correctly."

Let's wait until he actually gets on the field and sucks shall we?

fontaine
09-20-2011, 04:23 PM
1. If tebow isn't starting, the tebowites will b**** about EFX regardless of any fact.

Pretty much. The only thing that matters right now is the same damn thing as the past decade which is to get the draft right.

I don't care if it's Shanahan, Fox, Elway, Xanders, Goodman whoever. Just stop blowing the first day of the draft. There's nothing that kills a franchise quicker than pissing away 1st/2nd round picks.

Agamemnon
09-20-2011, 04:25 PM
Pretty much. The only thing that matters right now is the same damn thing as the past decade which is to get the draft right.

I don't care if it's Shanahan, Fox, Elway, Xanders, Goodman whoever. Just stop blowing the first day of the draft. There's nothing that kills a franchise quicker than pissing away 1st/2nd round picks.

There is a lot more to running a team than the draft, but you keep smoking whatever it is you are smoking...

Momentum
09-23-2011, 03:43 PM
I hate this suck for Luck talk. no QB has ever been the talk of more hype before he has even set foot in an NFL locker room.

http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/ww312/soiceybrickboyz/Tim-Tebow.jpg

gunns
09-23-2011, 03:47 PM
I hate this suck for Luck talk. no QB has ever been the talk of more hype before he has even set foot in an NFL locker room. the draft is a crap shoot and every year there are can't miss prospects who MISS. i just hate the notion of purposely sucking for this guy when he has just as good a shot or quite possibly a better shot of being the next Ryan Leaf as he does of being the next Peyton Manning.

Yeah it reminds me of the Reggie Bush hype.

gunns
09-23-2011, 03:56 PM
There is a lot more to running a team than the draft, but you keep smoking whatever it is you are smoking...

But it's one of the more consistent things that have made the Broncos what they are today. This year and 2008 for good 1 and 2 picks and you have to go back to 97 to find another. As a whole Denver's drafts have SUCKED for a long time.

Requiem
09-23-2011, 05:13 PM
Denver is going to have to tank into the bottom ten spots to get either Luck, Jones or Barkley. Likely, Top 5. I am not sure that is going to happen.

peacepipe
09-23-2011, 05:30 PM
Denver is going to have to tank into the bottom ten spots to get either Luck, Jones or Barkley. Likely, Top 5. I am not sure that is going to happen.

lucks going #1.

Requiem
09-23-2011, 05:33 PM
lucks going #1.

Depends. A team who recently drafted a QB could be that bad -- say Jacksonville or Carolina. You are probably right though.

spdirty
09-23-2011, 06:10 PM
Depends. A team who recently drafted a QB could be that bad -- say Jacksonville or Carolina. You are probably right though.

Carolina will win 6 games this year and j'ville is starting their qb...assuming he starts all year and they get that pick they would take Luck.

The pick will go to either us, KC :( Seattle, or Indy :(

If we don't get him the only acceptable option would be Seattle.

Micanopy
09-23-2011, 07:57 PM
Only way to turn this garbage around we got in Denver.

Not the only. The approved way.

oubronco
09-24-2011, 09:52 AM
Denver is going to have to tank into the bottom ten spots to get either Luck, Jones or Barkley. Likely, Top 5. I am not sure that is going to happen.

Just keep watching

robbieopperude
09-24-2011, 10:00 AM
If we want Luck we are going to have to find ways to lose the close ones. We almost did it last week against Cinci. I actually think Fox is a good enough coach that he will keep us from getting the number 1 pick. Orton should lead us to a top 10 pick however. My money is on K.C. to get Luck at this point.

robbieopperude
09-24-2011, 10:01 AM
I have been scouting the draft boards and there really isn't a top 10 DT coming out this year. Boo!

maven
10-02-2011, 01:03 PM
Chiefs have a Pro Bowl QB and do not need Luck. Good win KFC Chicken Littles

HILife
10-02-2011, 01:14 PM
We would have to be swept by the Chiefs. How else would we have a worse record than them? They could flirt with 0-16.

Chiefs won.

UberBroncoMan
10-02-2011, 02:03 PM
Yeah it reminds me of the Reggie Bush hype.

Except Reggie Bush wasn't getting a degree at Stanford in Architecture.

If we want Luck we are going to have to find ways to lose the close ones. We almost did it last week against Cinci. I actually think Fox is a good enough coach that he will keep us from getting the number 1 pick. Orton should lead us to a top 10 pick however. My money is on K.C. to get Luck at this point.

Seattle is literally playing just to get him. Purposefully didn't do **** for their QB position.

maven
10-02-2011, 02:05 PM
I'm starting to think the Broncos are sucking for Luck

BroncoBuff
10-02-2011, 04:12 PM
What better reason to suck?

KCStud
10-02-2011, 04:20 PM
It looks more and more like Luck is going to Miami. Henne is hurt, their coach is all but gone and their schedule is really bad.

BYE
@NYJ
DEN
@NYG
@KC
WASH
BUF
@DAL
OAK
PHI
@BUF
@NE
NYJ

I don't see more than 2 winnable games for them.

Agamemnon
10-02-2011, 04:21 PM
It looks more and more like Luck is going to Miami. Henne is hurt, their coach is all but gone and their schedule is really bad.

BYE
@NYJ
DEN
@NYG
@KC
WASH
BUF
@DAL
OAK
PHI
@BUF
@NE
NYJ

I don't see more than 2 winnable games for them.

After today, given our similarly tough schedule I think we could easily give them a run for their money.

Rohirrim
10-02-2011, 04:23 PM
It will be interesting if the Rams come away with that #1 pick.

peacepipe
10-02-2011, 04:24 PM
It looks more and more like Luck is going to Miami. Henne is hurt, their coach is all but gone and their schedule is really bad.

BYE
@NYJ
DEN
@NYG
@KC
WASH
BUF
@DAL
OAK
PHI
@BUF
@NE
NYJ

I don't see more than 2 winnable games for them.
Moore hennes' back up played well all things considered

peacepipe
10-02-2011, 04:26 PM
It will be interesting if the Rams come away with that #1 pick.

they'll trade it. end up with several picks to fill there positions of need. too much money invested into Bradford.

razorwire77
10-02-2011, 04:26 PM
It looks more and more like Luck is going to Miami. Henne is hurt, their coach is all but gone and their schedule is really bad.

BYE
@NYJ
DEN
@NYG
@KC
WASH
BUF
@DAL
OAK
PHI
@BUF
@NE
NYJ

I don't see more than 2 winnable games for them.
Circle the Miami, KC and @KC games. They could all prove to be pivotal in the suck for Luck sweepstakes. We'll also have to keep an eye on that Painter led Indy squad.

maven
10-02-2011, 04:29 PM
We'll also have to keep an eye on that Painter led Indy squad.

Painter has been there what 3 years? Can't be any worse than Collins. Hopefully he can pull some games out and win.

peacepipe
10-02-2011, 04:30 PM
Painter has been there what 3 years? Can't be any worse than Collins. Hopefully he can pull some games out and win.Painter once he gets his feet wet might play good. what seperates him from collins is that he knows the whole playbook.

maven
10-02-2011, 04:34 PM
Painter once he gets his feet wet might play good. what seperates him from collins is that he knows the whole playbook.

That is the hope. Plus he's not an old stiff like Kerry. If Painter goes the rest of the season, I expect some wins.

peacepipe
10-02-2011, 04:36 PM
That is the hope. Plus he's not an old stiff like Kerry. If Painter goes the rest of the season, I expect some wins.

FWIW that colts defense will win some games. they nearly beat the steelers last week.

KCStud
10-02-2011, 04:50 PM
It's gonna suck when Luck goes to the AFC in Indy or Miami.

TheReverend
10-02-2011, 04:54 PM
It's gonna suck when Luck goes to the AFC in Indy or Miami.

Denver is WAY worse than both with Orton under center.

DB-Freak
10-02-2011, 04:56 PM
Do it

maven
10-02-2011, 05:10 PM
Do it

http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt154/IAmDamitaJo/tumblr_ldkwwa7agG1qam0cl.gif

Ugly Duck
10-02-2011, 05:17 PM
It's gonna suck when Luck goes to the AFC in Indy or Miami.

KC just moved ahead of Denver in the AFCW standings... I guess that means the Broncos move ahead of KC in the Luck Bowl. But KC is just a stupid INT (vs SD) away from the division lead and also still in the Luck Bowl. This is all very confusing....

broncogary
10-02-2011, 05:32 PM
KC just moved ahead of Denver in the AFCW standings... I guess that means the Broncos move ahead of KC in the Luck Bowl. But KC is just a stupid INT (vs SD) away from the division lead and also still in the Luck Bowl. This is all very confusing....

Your PO will explain it to you. :approve:

Greatspirits
10-02-2011, 05:40 PM
Supportin for Orton to Suck for Luck!!

maven
10-02-2011, 05:41 PM
Supportin for Orton to Suck for Luck!!

hahahaha

SUCK FOR LUCK!

vonqkilla
10-02-2011, 05:41 PM
To compete under these rules, gotta have a master qb. I think Tebow could be that guy, with an offense built around him.

I know Luck is.

That is who we offer our entire draft for in 2012.

Rohirrim
10-02-2011, 06:06 PM
I think all the Bronco girls should wear Suck for Luck T-shirts.

TheChamp24
10-02-2011, 07:46 PM
Today fully showed me we need an elite QB and not the cream puff Orton back there.
Rodgers freakin had perfect passes out there Orton could only dream of throwing.

maven
10-02-2011, 08:15 PM
JOhn Elway thinks we should suck for luck! I agree with him!

:yayaya:

spdirty
10-02-2011, 08:17 PM
Glad KC won. Demoralizing loss today. Hopefully it's a catalyst for 12 more losses this year.

I just want him. I want him here, No matter what it takes, I want the qb issue resolved, and the hell with all the true fans.

razorwire77
10-02-2011, 08:19 PM
Today fully showed me we need an elite QB and not the cream puff Orton back there.
Rodgers freakin had perfect passes out there Orton could only dream of throwing.

Perfect passes, and he also extended the play at least half a dozen times with his legs, including an improvised touchdown draw where he just said **** it and took off.

maven
10-02-2011, 08:22 PM
Glad KC won. Demoralizing loss today. Hopefully it's a catalyst for 12 more losses this year.

I just want him. I want him here, No matter what it takes, I want the qb issue resolved, and the hell with all the true fans.

Start Orton, lose every game the rest of the way. I'm starting to see #7's genius.

Need the Colts to win tomorrow. Hopefully Painter can show he belongs in the NFL. Big boost to KC winning today. They will get more wins. The Dolphins, they are bad. If they come out of the bye with a win, then there's some hope there for them to get a few wins. If not, that team is rock bottom and everyone is getting fired.

HILife
10-02-2011, 08:48 PM
After today, given our similarly tough schedule I think we could easily give them a run for their money.

I don't know about that. At the end of the day, I think it will be The Dolphins and Colts in the Luck Bowl.

HILife
10-02-2011, 08:52 PM
Looks like people have given up on this season. I say good, Suck..for..Luck, SUCK..FOR..LUCK, SUCK..FOR..LUCK!!!!!!!

barryr
10-02-2011, 08:56 PM
I just don't see many wins with Orton. He is not a leader and the team lacks energy IMO when he plays. But until this defense can do anything, they won't win no matter who is at QB. That was an embarrassing performance by the defense. I don't care that the Packers are good, to allow them to do whatever they wanted all game was pathetic. Receivers running free off the line, running simple patterns and still wide open shows me they have far to go to even field a middle of the pack defense.

maven
10-02-2011, 08:58 PM
Looks like people have given up on this season. I say good, Suck..for..Luck, SUCK..FOR..LUCK, SUCK..FOR..LUCK!!!!!!!

Team is 1-3. Season is definitely not over, but after the SD and if the Broncos lose. There's no hope for anything.

The Dolphin Bronco game could be an early Luck bowl battle.

maven
10-02-2011, 09:00 PM
I just don't see many wins with Orton. He is not a leader and the team lacks energy IMO when he plays. But until this defense can do anything, they won't win no matter who is at QB. That was an embarrassing performance by the defense. I don't care that the Packers are good, to allow them to do whatever they wanted all game was pathetic. Receivers running free off the line, running simple patterns and still wide open shows me they have far to go to even field a middle of the pack defense.

49 points. I thought John Fox knew defense.

ROFL!

barryr
10-02-2011, 09:04 PM
49 points. I thought John Fox knew defense.

ROFL!

They clearly need CB's who can play. Those guys they had out there were pretty much a joke. But Rogers too often had all day to throw. Sure, Dumervil and Miller can get sacks, but I would like more pressures and hits on the QB than just sacks. I would take 9-11 pressures/hits on QB and 0 sacks than 2 sacks, but just 3-4 pressures/hits on the QB. Sacks are misleading if that is the only time you get near the QB are are pretty much MIA the rest of the time.

maven
10-02-2011, 09:10 PM
They clearly need CB's who can play. Those guys they had out there were pretty much a joke. But Rogers too often had all day to throw. Sure, Dumervil and Miller can get sacks, but I would like more pressures and hits on the QB than just sacks. I would take 9-11 pressures/hits on QB and 0 sacks than 2 sacks, but just 3-4 pressures/hits on the QB. Sacks are misleading if that is the only time you get near the QB are are pretty much MIA the rest of the time.

It's bad and it's going to be a long year. Have another QB coming in next week who can sling the ball. Long season ahead.

DB-Freak
10-02-2011, 09:10 PM
They clearly need CB's who can play. Those guys they had out there were pretty much a joke. But Rogers too often had all day to throw. Sure, Dumervil and Miller can get sacks, but I would like more pressures and hits on the QB than just sacks. I would take 9-11 pressures/hits on QB and 0 sacks than 2 sacks, but just 3-4 pressures/hits on the QB. Sacks are misleading if that is the only time you get near the QB are are pretty much MIA the rest of the time.

Miller was in the backfield literally half the time when Rodgers was trying to throw. THe pass rush wasn't that bad.

Lot of the big plays like the Greg Jenning in the slot took literally like 2 seconds to develop.

That's all on the coverage.

maven
10-02-2011, 09:12 PM
Lot of the big plays like the Greg Jenning in the slot took literally like 2 seconds to develop.

That's all on the coverage.

Having a DB back there with a wheelchair doesn't help. Time to put that horse down.

barryr
10-02-2011, 09:14 PM
Miller was in the backfield literally half the time when Rodgers was trying to throw. THe pass rush wasn't that bad.

Lot of the big plays like the Greg Jenning in the slot took literally like 2 seconds to develop.

That's all on the coverage.

Not really, they just went with quick throws since the receivers were open as soon as they got off the LOS. Not that I condone such a thing, but I was wondering when the Packers were up 42-17 and lining up constantly in the shotgun, if a Bronco defender would come in late and hit the crap out of Rogers to make them think maybe they better put him under center.

DB-Freak
10-02-2011, 09:22 PM
Not really, they just went with quick throws since the receivers were open as soon as they got off the LOS. Not that I condone such a thing, but I was wondering when the Packers were up 42-17 and lining up constantly in the shotgun, if a Bronco defender would come in late and hit the crap out of Rogers to make them think maybe they better put him under center.

Its kinda hard to hit someone when Rodgers is able to get rid of the ball after a 3 step drop.

Way too many soft spots in the coverage.

barryr
10-02-2011, 09:25 PM
Its kinda hard to hit someone when Rodgers is able to get rid of the ball after a 3 step drop.

Way too many soft spots in the coverage.

That is why I stated "late" as in getting a penalty, but maybe sending a message in the process. Not like getting a penalty by then would matter in the outcome.

~Crash~
10-02-2011, 09:38 PM
hell the problem was CB's playing ten yards off the football

~Crash~
10-02-2011, 09:39 PM
bump the ****ing WR's

~Crash~
10-02-2011, 09:40 PM
when a QB is on you change the timing we just keept backing up slowic style

DB-Freak
10-02-2011, 09:41 PM
I guess they were getting scared of getting burned deep but damn did it backfire or what.

~Crash~
10-02-2011, 09:43 PM
brain dead is what this D was ..Indy has done this to us , good to see that this staff has not seen how NE beat indy over and over year after year !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

~Crash~
10-02-2011, 09:45 PM
I guess they were getting scared of getting burned deep but damn did it backfire or what.

what were they worried they were going to beat us badly Ha!

~Crash~
10-02-2011, 09:48 PM
this lose is on the coaches simple as that . fox was smoked badly. he needs to get a little of what the Green bay coach had for breakfast because Fox got his balls handed to him this game.

Durango
10-02-2011, 10:33 PM
this lose is on the coaches simple as that . fox was smoked badly. he needs to get a little of what the Green bay coach had for breakfast because Fox got his balls handed to him this game.

No offense, but bs. Champ was a major 'x' factor here, and while I don't think Denver would have beaten the Packers in Green Bay, I believe his absence made substantial difference.

Cassius Vaughn was a favorite target all day long, and of course, it doesn't help when Denver hands over the ball to the SB champions in our own territory, and our QB routinely throws beautiful spirals right into the gut of the other guys (the TE fumble was just an added aggravation).

Bob's your Information Minister
10-03-2011, 12:02 AM
Welcome.

Let us joust for the prize.

maven
10-03-2011, 12:05 AM
Welcome.

Let us joust for the prize.

Pro Bowl QB Cassel will give more speeches and inspire the team, thus KC wins games.

ROFL!

Bob's your Information Minister
10-03-2011, 12:32 AM
I'm hoping for a crippling injury to that mother****er.

He has to pull out "Good Cassel" against the bad defenses we face and rape them at inopportune times.

It doesn't help that our defense actually IS pretty talented and can do some damage.

FML

maven
10-03-2011, 12:36 AM
I'm hoping for a crippling injury to that mother****er.

He has to pull out "Good Cassel" against the bad defenses we face and rape them at inopportune times.

It doesn't help that our defense actually IS pretty talented and can do some damage.

FML

Cassel isn't making the big bucks anymore, i'm sure he would love another contract and to continue to lead his team(only team). Your head coach knows he needs to win games after last year's success. The Chiefs lost some key f'n players this year(moeaki, charles, Berry). The Chiefs will grind out more wins, hopefully.

Bob's your Information Minister
10-03-2011, 12:39 AM
That's what I'm so afraid of.

:(

maven
10-03-2011, 12:52 AM
As the Suck for Luck world turns

Allies: Carolina, St. Louis

Enemies: Dolphins, Seahawks, Colts, Chiefs

Neutral: Vikings, Jaguars

ZONA
10-03-2011, 01:26 AM
I have no doubts the Broncos will be in the hunt for Luck right down the last few games of the season. Looking over the schedule, I'm trying hard to find 3 more wins, just to tie last years pathetic record.

maven
10-03-2011, 01:38 AM
I have no doubts the Broncos will be in the hunt for Luck right down the last few games of the season. Looking over the schedule, I'm trying hard to find 3 more wins, just to tie last years pathetic record.

The Dolphins game can go either way(coming up soon). That game is going to come down to a FG, return for TD, INT at the wrong time towards the end of the game. It's a who knows game. Kinda like how the Bengals game played out. A win in Miami can burry the Broncos in the suck for luck sweepstakes.

bendog
10-03-2011, 06:53 AM
If we can lose in Mia, then a split with the chorfs is possible, and a 2-14 result is within this squad's ability. But there's Indy.

DrFate
10-03-2011, 06:56 AM
But there's Indy.

And the Vikings

bendog
10-03-2011, 07:00 AM
I keep thinking the viqueens have to be better. 4th qtr collapses. Surely they can win something. Stl is incredibly inept too.

maher_tyler
10-03-2011, 07:10 AM
Having a DB back there with a wheelchair doesn't help. Time to put that horse down.

Did you see him keep up with Cobb?? Saved a long TD. Obviously he's a shell of his former self and should know his abilities at this point in his career!

bendog
10-03-2011, 07:15 AM
chorfs are last in pt differential (pts scored / pts given up) and it's not even close.

TheChamp24
10-03-2011, 08:21 AM
Man I remember before the start of the season so many were saying we'd be going 8-8 this year.

bendog
10-03-2011, 08:23 AM
Man I remember before the start of the season so many were saying we'd be going 8-8 this year.

brutal schedule. I think Fox could have gotten 6 wins with last year's. Hey, I can thank McD for Miller!:sunshine:

peacepipe
10-03-2011, 08:24 AM
And the VikingsI doubt it,didn't they just use a pretty high 1st rd pick on christian ponder.

yerner
10-03-2011, 10:28 AM
This has to happen. I even might start praying.

Drek
10-03-2011, 10:40 AM
I keep thinking the viqueens have to be better. 4th qtr collapses. Surely they can win something. Stl is incredibly inept too.

St. Louis is an NFC West team. They're 0-4 but its against the Eagles, Giants, Ravens, and Redskins. Not exactly losing to cream puffs. When they start playing games in-division they'll put up W's much more frequently.

And we'll lose to the Vikings so no need to worry about them. Big, powerful DL is our biggest weakness on offense. Power running game is one of our many weaknesses on defense. We'll likely get raped handily.

TonyR
10-03-2011, 10:40 AM
No offense, but bs. Champ was a major 'x' factor here, and while I don't think Denver would have beaten the Packers in Green Bay, I believe his absence made substantial difference.

Cassius Vaughn was a favorite target all day long, and of course, it doesn't help when Denver hands over the ball to the SB champions in our own territory, and our QB routinely throws beautiful spirals right into the gut of the other guys (the TE fumble was just an added aggravation).

I tend to agree. Very reminicent of what Green Bay did to Atlanta in the playoffs last year (48-21).

TonyR
10-03-2011, 10:42 AM
Did you see him keep up with Cobb??

I hate to be overly negative since we already have more of that than we need around here but..... that's only because Cobb was off balance and hadn't fully gathered himself before Dawkins got there.

TDmvp
10-03-2011, 02:34 PM
Dawk is a liability in coverage ... period.

spdirty
10-03-2011, 03:00 PM
I'm thinking any team that gets that pick will not trade it, will take Luck, and will trade, release, or not resign their starting qb, whether that be Orton, Cassell, Henne, or even Bradford.

Stl needs to get rid of mcdip**** and start winning some friggin games.

robbieopperude
10-03-2011, 03:02 PM
I haven't looked at other teams schedules but I gotta believe we have a better than 35 percent chance at the number 1 pick right now. There are about 8 teams in the running and it happens that a few of them end up playing each other. I think Seattle still has the best opportunity because they are so weak that even St Louis is circling 2 wins on their calendar against them. Minnesota is looking pretty brutal but they have been in or winning all of there games. I think they end up with at least 4 or 5 wins unless they go to Ponder to finish out the season. Jacksonville versus Indi should be interesting. If Jax sweeps them Indi is the other canidate with a real legitimate shot at number 1 besides us and Seattle. Oh and K.C. has a good shot too but I think they beat us currently.

maven
10-03-2011, 03:05 PM
I haven't looked at other teams schedules but I gotta believe we have a better than 35 percent chance at the number 1 pick right now. There are about 8 teams in the running and it happens that a few of them end up playing each other. I think Seattle still has the best opportunity because they are so weak that even St Louis is circling 2 wins on their calendar against them. Minnesota is looking pretty brutal but they have been in or winning all of there games. I think they end up with at least 4 or 5 wins unless they go to Ponder to finish out the season. Jacksonville versus Indi should be interesting. If Jax sweeps them Indi is the other canidate with a real legitimate shot at number 1 besides us and Seattle. Oh and K.C. has a good shot too but I think they beat us currently.

There's definitely a chance Denver can be right there in the Luck competition. It's something interesting to watch the rest of the season.

robbieopperude
10-03-2011, 03:06 PM
I'm thinking any team that gets that pick will not trade it, will take Luck, and will trade, release, or not resign their starting qb, whether that be Orton, Cassell, Henne, or even Bradford.

Stl needs to get rid of mcdip**** and start winning some friggin games.

Disagree on Bradford. I imagine Cap is to high and it is hard to compare that guys talent with the WR's they are running out there right now.

spdirty
10-03-2011, 03:24 PM
Disagree on Bradford. I imagine Cap is to high and it is hard to compare that guys talent with the WR's they are running out there right now.

I'd imagine they'd gauge Bradfords value before making a decision. Let's hope they aren't in that position.

The above poster that said we have bout a 35% shot, I'd say that's a good number. I think of course @Miami and kc twice are the make or break games right now. We lose the next 2 and I'm really gonna start getting into it.

robbieopperude
10-03-2011, 03:41 PM
I'd imagine they'd gauge Bradfords value before making a decision. Let's hope they aren't in that position.

The above poster that said we have bout a 35% shot, I'd say that's a good number. I think of course @Miami and kc twice are the make or break games right now. We lose the next 2 and I'm really gonna start getting into it.

I agree and I am the above poster. I feel like Miami and KC are the make or break games. If we lose a few more I hope we start letting our youth play more. I actually think Fox and his conservative game management is going to keep Denver in a lot of games and we won't get throttled as much as last year. The team is every bit as bad however.

robbieopperude
10-03-2011, 03:46 PM
Just looked at the Rams schedule. I would say there is a very high chance they will be looking at 0-7 going into a week 9 game at Arizona.
Next games are Bye, @G.B, @Dal, vs N.O. Ouch!

Winnable games left on schedule are every week after that except at Pitt.

Rolandftw
10-03-2011, 04:02 PM
I'm thinking any team that gets that pick will not trade it, will take Luck, and will trade, release, or not resign their starting qb, whether that be Orton, Cassell, Henne, or even Bradford.

Stl needs to get rid of mcdip**** and start winning some friggin games.

Yeah, I would think the cap hit on trading or releasing Bradford would be ridiculous. He's definitely taken a step back this year... think a lot of that has to do with McDaniels messing him up though.

Everyone but St. Louis takes him though.

elsid13
10-03-2011, 04:14 PM
Yeah, I would think the cap hit on trading or releasing Bradford would be ridiculous. He's definitely taken a step back this year... think a lot of that has to do with McDaniels messing him up though.

Everyone but St. Louis takes him though.

I have feeling that more about teams have film on Bradford and crappy WR corp then anything McDaniels is doing.

TheChamp24
10-04-2011, 06:34 AM
Yeah, I would think the cap hit on trading or releasing Bradford would be ridiculous. He's definitely taken a step back this year... think a lot of that has to do with McDaniels messing him up though.

Everyone but St. Louis takes him though.

Bradford has crap to work with on offense.
Crappy OL, Jackson's been hurt and relying on Cadillac Williams. WR and TE's haven't been anything to write home about. I remember watching the Rams-Giants game and the WR's/TE's/RB's causing so many mistakes and hurting Bradford.

spdirty
10-04-2011, 06:40 AM
Disagree on Bradford. I imagine Cap is to high and it is hard to compare that guys talent with the WR's they are running out there right now.

Is there any team that, if they finish with the No. 1 overall pick, would not select Andrew Luck? For example, would St. Louis really pick Luck considering they have Sam Bradford? Would they not prefer to trade the pick for a package of picks that would include multiple high first-rounders?
---Daniel, Boulder

The Rams do not take Luck if they wind up with the No. 1 overall pick.

I don't think it's a given the Indianapolis Colts would take Luck. Maybe the Colts would take Luck No. 1, learn Peyton Manning has fully recovered from his neck injury, and trade Luck to the Broncos in exchange for Chris Hinton and Mark Herrmann.

I'm not sure the Minnesota Vikings would select Luck one year after they used their No. 12 overall draft pick on Christian Ponder. Many people would, but that would be wasting a No. 12 overall pick.

The Carolina Panthers absolutely do not take Luck after they hit on Cam Newton with the No. 1 overall pick in the 2011 draft.

The Miami Dolphins take Luck and so do the Kansas City Chiefs. And, yes, so would the Broncos.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncosmailbag/ci_19031713

Well, Mike Klis agrees with you which means that if the Rams get the top pick, they will take Luck.:clown:

oubronco
10-04-2011, 06:32 PM
The Rams are not going to trade Bradford

Some of the shyt people post

maven
10-04-2011, 09:17 PM
As the Suck for Luck world turns

Allies: Carolina, St. Louis

Enemies: Dolphins, Seahawks, Colts, Chiefs

Neutral: Vikings, Jaguars

The good thing about suck for luck it peaks my interests in the teams mentioned above. Nice to care about multiple games this upcoming weekend.

Dagmar
10-04-2011, 09:35 PM
The Dolphins game can go either way(coming up soon). That game is going to come down to a FG, return for TD, INT at the wrong time towards the end of the game. It's a who knows game. Kinda like how the Bengals game played out. A win in Miami can burry the Broncos in the suck for luck sweepstakes.

Well, looks like Henne will be out for the game.

maven
10-04-2011, 09:43 PM
Well, looks like Henne will be out for the game.

Matt Moore revenge game against Coach Fox?

ROFL!

epicSocialism4tw
10-04-2011, 10:18 PM
Matt Moore revenge game against Coach Fox?

ROFL!

Now you clowns are rooting for the Broncos to lose to Miami?

Sheesh.

KCStud
10-04-2011, 10:37 PM
There's no way they would trade Bradford. He's already a top 10 QB who is more than capable of taking them to the SB.

boltaneer
10-04-2011, 11:15 PM
There's no way they would trade Bradford. He's already a top 10 QB who is more than capable of taking them to the SB.

There's the kiss of death if I ever saw one.

Perry1977
10-04-2011, 11:34 PM
There's the kiss of death if I ever saw one.

Yeah it is. Somebody said that about Rivers five years ago.

KCStud
10-04-2011, 11:45 PM
There's the kiss of death if I ever saw one.

Nah Rams fans have said more than plenty.
I have a question for you though. Do you really think Rivers is going to take you guys to the SB?

SouthStndJunkie
10-04-2011, 11:59 PM
I think Philip Rivers is one of the Top Ten QBs in the league....and I admit this despite him probably being my least favorite player in the NFL.

maven
10-08-2011, 11:02 AM
Games to watch tomorrow:

St. Louis-bye
Miami-bye
New Orleans @ Carolina
KC @ Indy
Cincy @ Jax
Arizona @ Minnesota
Seattle @ NY Giants
SD @ Denver

TheReverend
10-08-2011, 11:06 AM
I think Philip Rivers is one of the Top Ten QBs in the league....and I admit this despite him probably being my least favorite player in the NFL.

Top 5, sadly, IMO

BroncoBuff
10-08-2011, 01:19 PM
Rivers seems like Top 5 ... rank em:

Brady
Rodgers
Peyton
Brees
Rivers/Rapelisbrgr/Eli/Orton

Is Bradford better than Stafford, Ryan, Schaub? I say no, they've scored like 10 points a game this year.

TheReverend
10-08-2011, 01:24 PM
Rivers seems like Top 5 ... rank em:

Brady
Rodgers
Peyton
Brees
Rivers/Rapelisbrgr/Eli/Orton

Is Bradford better than Stafford, Ryan, Schaub? I say no, they've scored like 10 points a game this year.

http://menversus.com/images/bertstare.jpg

BroncoBuff
10-08-2011, 01:28 PM
If you can't laugh now, you're a lost cause ... we're knee deep in comedy.

Tim
10-08-2011, 01:29 PM
orton in the top 5 of the league? lol..

MagicHef
10-08-2011, 01:30 PM
Games to watch tomorrow:

St. Louis-bye
Miami-bye
New Orleans @ Carolina
KC @ Indy
Cincy @ Jax
Arizona @ Minnesota
Seattle @ NY Giants
SD @ Denver

I'll be on the edge of my seat for the St. Louis and Miami games.

Play2win
10-08-2011, 01:39 PM
I'll be on the edge of my seat for the St. Louis and Miami games.

For some teams, the Bye week is their Superbowl.

Dagmar
10-08-2011, 01:49 PM
So wait, we have Ortonites, Tebowites and Luckites?

cabronco
10-08-2011, 02:01 PM
orton in the top 5 of the league? lol..


Sure he is, just ask him !


I pull for whoever the Broncos QB is, but from what I've seen from Orton he's not the answer.

So I will be a Tebowite whenever, if ever he sees the field. He is super competitve that can elevate the team , but not sure he's a complete qb.

Luck I believe would be the complete package to build a team around.

SoCalBronco
10-08-2011, 02:07 PM
Luck would be a tremendous, tremendous get for the Broncos. We are a long way off, but it would be a huge piece. You have your premier pass rusher and franchise QB, that's a great foundation on each side of the ball........if they can get him.

NFLBRONCO
10-08-2011, 02:17 PM
Luck would be a tremendous, tremendous get for the Broncos. We are a long way off, but it would be a huge piece. You have your premier pass rusher and franchise QB, that's a great foundation on each side of the ball........if they can get him.

No doubt

maven
10-08-2011, 02:23 PM
I'll be on the edge of my seat for the St. Louis and Miami games.

For some teams, the Bye week is their Superbowl.

Just think, these two teams will be working hard to secure upcoming victories.

;)

maven
10-08-2011, 02:25 PM
Luck would be a tremendous, tremendous get for the Broncos. We are a long way off, but it would be a huge piece. You have your premier pass rusher and franchise QB, that's a great foundation on each side of the ball........if they can get him.

You couldn't ask for a more perfect back to back 1st round picks.

BroncoBuff
10-08-2011, 02:30 PM
orton in the top 5 of the league? lol..

Some say.

ChampBailey24
10-08-2011, 07:51 PM
It's probably nothing, but just thought I'd share.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=312810024

"Andrew Luck threw for a season-high 370 yards and three touchdowns, and seventh-ranked Stanford stayed perfect with a 48-7 victory over Pac-12 newcomer Colorado on Saturday night.

With former Stanford standouts Tiger Woods and John Elway joining the crush of NFL scouts on the sidelines, Luck completed 26 of 33 passes with a rare interception to extend the nation's longest winning streak to 13 games."

Bronc62
10-08-2011, 08:20 PM
<img src="http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/00550n2h1a6VO/x350.jpg">

BroncoBuff
10-08-2011, 08:30 PM
<img src="http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/00550n2h1a6VO/x350.jpg">

So ... the parking lot of a shopping center.

What's the thrill there, am I missing something?

Play2win
10-08-2011, 09:58 PM
<img src="http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/00550n2h1a6VO/x350.jpg">

b****es, **** 'em...

MagicHef
10-08-2011, 09:59 PM
Luck would be a tremendous, tremendous get for the Broncos. We are a long way off, but it would be a huge piece. You have your premier pass rusher and franchise QB, that's a great foundation on each side of the ball........if they can get him.

I truly think that the only variable involved in Denver getting Luck is the willingness of the team with the #1 pick to trade it.

If they want Luck and nothing else, obviously we won't be able to get him. If they see another QB + a whole bunch of other picks/players as an acceptable substitute, I think we'll outbid pretty much any other team.

I think the question is, would a team like Miami or Indy feel that Barkley/Jones + Clady, Dumervil, and a slew of high picks would be better or worse than Luck?

lonestar
10-08-2011, 10:00 PM
Some say.

Who has said this?

NO ONE I've seen..

If anything most folks your probably talking about are just saying he is not the worst QB and is probbaly in the top 15..

Or are you just trolling for responses..

lonestar
10-08-2011, 10:03 PM
frankly from what I have seen of OU, Jones looks pretty damned good .. He could also just be surrounded with tons of talent also..

But then he does not Play from under center much either.

Chris
10-08-2011, 10:53 PM
Luck would be a tremendous, tremendous get for the Broncos. We are a long way off, but it would be a huge piece. You have your premier pass rusher and franchise QB, that's a great foundation on each side of the ball........if they can get him.

Would you honestly lose maybe all but one game this year to do this?

NFLBRONCO
10-08-2011, 11:04 PM
I'd rather go 1-15 or 2-14 and get Luck outright vs trading the farm to get him so I could handle a really bad year.

SoCalBronco
10-09-2011, 12:10 AM
Would you honestly lose maybe all but one game this year to do this?

Its a question of value, really. If you believe DEN has a legitimate chance at the postseason, then no....but if you think they don't and most here think they don't, at the moment where it becomes rather clear that they are more or less done, then from a value position, there's more of a return in possibly getting the No. 1 pick then winning some meaningless games after the point where its clear that its not going to happen. If we're 6-10, we didnt get in and will have to fork over a King's ransom to get him vs. 2-14 where you get him outright like NFLBRONCO says. Are those 4 wins really worth it to you in exchange for what you're going to pay out? Obviously not.

What I'm concerned about here is value. Having Orton plod through a couple extra wins that are ultimately meaningless doesn't provide a ton of value for this team. Luck is a tremendous talent that Denver really and truly needs. Is there a chance he's a bust? Sure, but that doesn't really change the analysis. We deal here in probabilities. Nothing is guaranteed but its much more likely than not that he'll be somewhere between a very good to great NFL QB than average or less. I'm totally willing to trade those 4 wins to play the probabilities. You always weigh benefits and detriments and this seems like the benefits would win out. If we could get a franchise QB on O to go with an elite stud pass rusher on D, that will get us going again. You build around those two guys and go from there supplementing the foundation with talent.

extralife
10-09-2011, 12:19 AM
This whole "trading wins" thing is ridiculous. Who is giving up those wins? Sure, maybe the FO people would be interested, but last time I checked they don't step onto the field. Do you think any player is going to trot out there and try to lose? What benefit could any of them possibly see from that? The players are going to play.

NFLBRONCO
10-09-2011, 12:40 AM
This whole "trading wins" thing is ridiculous. Who is giving up those wins? Sure, maybe the FO people would be interested, but last time I checked they don't step onto the field. Do you think any player is going to trot out there and try to lose? What benefit could any of them possibly see from that? The players are going to play.

Your right players and FO don't but, as fans who want to reach next level we'll gladly take a bad bad year to change our fortune esp a upgrade at QB.

dsmoot
10-09-2011, 05:18 AM
Luck was impressive vs CU in a very similar way Rodgers was vs Denver. He demonstrated great movement in and out of the pocket and the ability to square up his body quickly after leaving the pocket with considerable zip on the ball. His only interception was easily caught but the receiver tipped the ball up to the defender. There isn't a throw he doesn't possess. I know I am not telling anyone here anything unknown. I have been reading many comments about him but had not seen him for a whole game. Obviously, the comparisons to Elway are very deserved. He is better than all but 5 NFL QB's right now.

Yes, I feel I just crawled out from under a rock.

AlphaSeirra
10-09-2011, 08:47 AM
It's probably nothing, but just thought I'd share.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=312810024

"Andrew Luck threw for a season-high 370 yards and 3 TD's, and 7th ranked Stanford stayed perfect with
a 48-7 victory over Pac-12 LOSER/JOKE newcomer Colorado on Saturday night.

With former Stanford standouts Tiger Woods and John Elway (wasting time) joining the crush of NFL scouts on the sidelines,
Luck completed 26 of 33 passes with a rare interception to extend the nation's longest winning streak to 13 games."

No, it's not nothing,,,, it just more meaningless LAC/Lucky bs imoho.

"Andrew Luck threw for a season-high 370 yards (14.3 yds/comp) and three touchdowns, and seventh-ranked Stanford stayed
perfect with a 48-7 victory over Pac-12 newcomer Colorado on Saturday night. Luck completed 26 of 33 passes (.788) with
a rare interception to extend the nation's longest winning streak to 13 games."

So, how good of an opponent is Colo really? (Hawaii 37 - 17 Colo)
Colo is currently ranked #106 in the CBSSports 120 Poll with a 1-5, 0-3 record.
They went 5-7 in 2010, and 3-9 in 2009.
The last time that Colo even had a barely winning season (7-6) was back in 2005.

On the other hand; Tim's last game in 2009 came against #3 Ranked 12-0 Undefeated Big East Champ Cincinnati.
In that game, Tim set Sugar Bowl and BCS bowl records with:

~ Total Offense: 533 yds (482 yds passing with 51 yds rushing. (Lucky 370 yds passing)

~ Passing yards with 482 yards (15.35 yds/comp). (Lucky/Colo 14.33 yds/comp)
~ Completion percentage (.886) completing 31 of 35 attempts. (Lucky/Colo .788)
~ Tim's 31 total pass completion's (ZERO Ints) were also an All Time Sugar Bowl record. (Lucky/Colo 26)
~ Tim tied a previously set Sugar Bowl Record for TD's responsible for (3-P/1-R) total of 4 TD's. (Lucky/Colo 3 TD's)

~ Tim's 80-yard TD pass to WR R.Cooper was the 2nd longest TD pass in Sugar Bowl History.

Against SEC & FSU defenses:
Tebow Career Total Passes = 995 - 66.4% completion rate , 88 TD's to just 16 Ints. (P.Manning 89 TD's to 34 Ints)
~ He set a new SEC Career QB Pass Efficiency Rating Record with a 170.79.
~ He set a new SEC Senior Class W/L record going 48 - 7 with 40 of those 55 opponents being Bowl teams.
~ After Tim's 'Promise Speech' the Gators when on a UF school record 22 consecutive wins that included
the 2008 BCS-NC against #1 Ranked Okla with Heisman Bradford.

Those that think that Tim only ran the ball at UF are either totally ignorant, or just plain FREAKIN' STU-PID!

Running 692 - 4.3 ypc, long 55 yds, 57 TD's - Breaking H.Walkers (49) SEC Career Rushing TD Record.
Tebow's Pass to Rush Ratio = 1.44 to 1. Tim only averaged about 12 runs per game and that included his pass play scrambles.
Career Highs:
27 carries to lead the Gators to a win over Ark in the 2008 SEC-C game.
166 rushing yds against Ole Miss.
5 rushing TD's against S.Ca.
Tim was just pretty dominate when he did run the ball, maybe leading to that mis-conception?
Tim had a Career Total of just 7 of his 55 games as a Gator with 20+ carries.
Tim is a 'PASSING QB' that can also run the ball effectively if/when needed.
The ONLY D-1 QB in NCAA History to break the 20/20 season TD barrier.
He did that with 32 Passing and 23 Rushing, not the other way around.

So just damn, yawl keep on swinging on ole Lucky's LAC 10 jock while totally ignoring Tebow's Record Setting SEC Career.
Cause what Tebow did in the SEC means NOTHING,
while what ole Lucky does in the LAC 10/12 means EVERYTHING! ROFL!

After all, some of you (including the Bronco FO apparently) have ignored every other 'on the field' REALITY concerning Tebow:
Media Morons Constant Cant:
Tebow has a weak & inaccurate arm,
poor mechanics and footwork,
and he won't be able to run the ball in the tough NFL like he did back in college (4.3 ypc) against SEC defenses.

That INACCURATE TOTAL BS, or your own 'on the field' lying eyes....

#1 2010 Rookie QB Pass Efficiency Rating 82.1 5 TD's to 3 Ints, (+ 5.3 ypc rushing with 6 TD's)
(Tebow didn't improve his PER in the shorten off season because of his book signing tour)
#1 2011 Bronco Preseason PER 108 - ZERO Interceptions, (+ 6.4 ypc rushing)

Now, I hope that all yawl Tebow ignoring delusional twits can have yourselves a real Lucky day...... :wave:

Northman
10-09-2011, 08:49 AM
Yawl come back now ya hear....

Rohirrim
10-09-2011, 08:54 AM
No, it's not nothing,,,, it just more meaningless LAC/Lucky bs imoho.

"Andrew Luck threw for a season-high 370 yards (14.3 yds/comp) and three touchdowns, and seventh-ranked Stanford stayed
perfect with a 48-7 victory over Pac-12 newcomer Colorado on Saturday night. Luck completed 26 of 33 passes (.788) with
a rare interception to extend the nation's longest winning streak to 13 games."

So, how good of an opponent is Colo really? (Hawaii 37 - 17 Colo)
Colo is currently ranked #106 in the CBSSports 120 Poll with a 1-5, 0-3 record.
They went 5-7 in 2010, and 3-9 in 2009.
The last time that Colo even had a barely winning season (7-6) was back in 2005.

On the other hand; Tim's last game in 2009 came against #3 Ranked 12-0 Undefeated Big East Champ Cincinnati.
In that game, Tim set Sugar Bowl and BCS bowl records with:

~ Total Offense: 533 yds (482 yds passing with 51 yds rushing. (Lucky 370 yds passing)

~ Passing yards with 482 yards (15.35 yds/comp). (Lucky/Colo 14.33 yds/comp)
~ Completion percentage (.886) completing 31 of 35 attempts. (Lucky/Colo .788)
~ Tim's 31 total pass completion's (ZERO Ints) were also an All Time Sugar Bowl record. (Lucky/Colo 26)
~ Tim tied a previously set Sugar Bowl Record for TD's responsible for (3-P/1-R) total of 4 TD's. (Lucky/Colo 3 TD's)

~ Tim's 80-yard TD pass to WR R.Cooper was the 2nd longest TD pass in Sugar Bowl History.

Against SEC & FSU defenses:
Tebow Career Total Passes = 995 - 66.4% completion rate , 88 TD's to just 16 Ints. (P.Manning 89 TD's to 34 Ints)
~ He set a new SEC Career QB Pass Efficiency Rating Record with a 170.79.
~ He set a new SEC Senior Class W/L record going 48 - 7 with 40 of those 55 opponents being Bowl teams.
~ After Tim's 'Promise Speech' the Gators when on a UF school record 22 consecutive wins that included
the 2008 BCS-NC against #1 Ranked Okla with Heisman Bradford.

Those that think that Tim only ran the ball at UF are either totally ignorant, or just plain FREAKIN' STU-PID!

Running 692 - 4.3 ypc, long 55 yds, 57 TD's - Breaking H.Walkers (49) SEC Career Rushing TD Record.
Tebow's Pass to Rush Ratio = 1.44 to 1. Tim only averaged about 12 runs per game and that included his pass play scrambles.
Career Highs:
27 carries to lead the Gators to a win over Ark in the 2008 SEC-C game.
166 rushing yds against Ole Miss.
5 rushing TD's against S.Ca.
Tim was just pretty dominate when he did run the ball, maybe leading to that mis-conception?
Tim had a Career Total of just 7 of his 55 games as a Gator with 20+ carries.
Tim is a 'PASSING QB' that can also run the ball effectively if/when needed.
The ONLY D-1 QB in NCAA History to break the 20/20 season TD barrier.
He did that with 32 Passing and 23 Rushing, not the other way around.

So just damn, yawl keep on swinging on ole Lucky's LAC 10 jock while totally ignoring Tebow's Record Setting SEC Career.
Cause what Tebow did in the SEC means NOTHING,
while what ole Lucky does in the LAC 10/12 means EVERYTHING! ROFL!

After all, some of you (including the Bronco FO apparently) have ignored every other 'on the field' REALITY concerning Tebow:
Media Morons Constant Cant:
Tebow has a weak & inaccurate arm,
poor mechanics and footwork,
and he won't be able to run the ball in the tough NFL like he did back in college (4.3 ypc) against SEC defenses.

That INACCURATE TOTAL BS, or your own 'on the field' lying eyes....

#1 2010 Rookie QB Pass Efficiency Rating 82.1 5 TD's to 3 Ints, (+ 5.3 ypc rushing with 6 TD's)
(Tebow didn't improve his PER in the shorten off season because of his book signing tour)
#1 2011 Bronco Preseason PER 108 - ZERO Interceptions, (+ 6.4 ypc rushing)

Now, I hope that all yawl Tebow ignoring delusional twits can have yourselves a real Lucky day...... :wave:

Wow! You really are as big of an idiot as everybody says. And that's saying something. So, your argument is that the competition Luck faces determines whether he is good or not? It's the same competition (Pac 10) that Elway faced when he was the Stanford QB. If Tebow was as good you think he is, he would have taken the job from Orton by now. Meanwhile, it's questionable whether he can even beat out Quinn.

peacepipe
10-09-2011, 08:56 AM
Wow! You really are as big of an idiot as everybody says. And that's saying something. So, your argument is that the competition Luck faces determines whether he is good or not? It's the same competition (Pac 10) that Elway faced when he was the Stanford QB. If Tebow was as good you think he is, he would have taken the job from Orton by now. Meanwhile, it's questionable whether he can even beat out Quinn.you failed to mention that Aaron Rodgerscame out of the pac 10 as well.;D

CEH
10-09-2011, 09:10 AM
No, it's not nothing,,,, it just more meaningless LAC/Lucky bs imoho.

"Andrew Luck threw for a season-high 370 yards (14.3 yds/comp) and three touchdowns, and seventh-ranked Stanford stayed
perfect with a 48-7 victory over Pac-12 newcomer Colorado on Saturday night. Luck completed 26 of 33 passes (.788) with
a rare interception to extend the nation's longest winning streak to 13 games."

So, how good of an opponent is Colo really? (Hawaii 37 - 17 Colo)
Colo is currently ranked #106 in the CBSSports 120 Poll with a 1-5, 0-3 record.
They went 5-7 in 2010, and 3-9 in 2009.
The last time that Colo even had a barely winning season (7-6) was back in 2005.

On the other hand; Tim's last game in 2009 came against #3 Ranked 12-0 Undefeated Big East Champ Cincinnati.
In that game, Tim set Sugar Bowl and BCS bowl records with:

~ Total Offense: 533 yds (482 yds passing with 51 yds rushing. (Lucky 370 yds passing)

~ Passing yards with 482 yards (15.35 yds/comp). (Lucky/Colo 14.33 yds/comp)
~ Completion percentage (.886) completing 31 of 35 attempts. (Lucky/Colo .788)
~ Tim's 31 total pass completion's (ZERO Ints) were also an All Time Sugar Bowl record. (Lucky/Colo 26)
~ Tim tied a previously set Sugar Bowl Record for TD's responsible for (3-P/1-R) total of 4 TD's. (Lucky/Colo 3 TD's)

~ Tim's 80-yard TD pass to WR R.Cooper was the 2nd longest TD pass in Sugar Bowl History.

Against SEC & FSU defenses:
Tebow Career Total Passes = 995 - 66.4% completion rate , 88 TD's to just 16 Ints. (P.Manning 89 TD's to 34 Ints)
~ He set a new SEC Career QB Pass Efficiency Rating Record with a 170.79.
~ He set a new SEC Senior Class W/L record going 48 - 7 with 40 of those 55 opponents being Bowl teams.
~ After Tim's 'Promise Speech' the Gators when on a UF school record 22 consecutive wins that included
the 2008 BCS-NC against #1 Ranked Okla with Heisman Bradford.

Those that think that Tim only ran the ball at UF are either totally ignorant, or just plain FREAKIN' STU-PID!

Running 692 - 4.3 ypc, long 55 yds, 57 TD's - Breaking H.Walkers (49) SEC Career Rushing TD Record.
Tebow's Pass to Rush Ratio = 1.44 to 1. Tim only averaged about 12 runs per game and that included his pass play scrambles.
Career Highs:
27 carries to lead the Gators to a win over Ark in the 2008 SEC-C game.
166 rushing yds against Ole Miss.
5 rushing TD's against S.Ca.
Tim was just pretty dominate when he did run the ball, maybe leading to that mis-conception?
Tim had a Career Total of just 7 of his 55 games as a Gator with 20+ carries.
Tim is a 'PASSING QB' that can also run the ball effectively if/when needed.
The ONLY D-1 QB in NCAA History to break the 20/20 season TD barrier.
He did that with 32 Passing and 23 Rushing, not the other way around.

So just damn, yawl keep on swinging on ole Lucky's LAC 10 jock while totally ignoring Tebow's Record Setting SEC Career.
Cause what Tebow did in the SEC means NOTHING,
while what ole Lucky does in the LAC 10/12 means EVERYTHING! ROFL!

After all, some of you (including the Bronco FO apparently) have ignored every other 'on the field' REALITY concerning Tebow:
Media Morons Constant Cant:
Tebow has a weak & inaccurate arm,
poor mechanics and footwork,
and he won't be able to run the ball in the tough NFL like he did back in college (4.3 ypc) against SEC defenses.

That INACCURATE TOTAL BS, or your own 'on the field' lying eyes....

#1 2010 Rookie QB Pass Efficiency Rating 82.1 5 TD's to 3 Ints, (+ 5.3 ypc rushing with 6 TD's)
(Tebow didn't improve his PER in the shorten off season because of his book signing tour)
#1 2011 Bronco Preseason PER 108 - ZERO Interceptions, (+ 6.4 ypc rushing)

Now, I hope that all yawl Tebow ignoring delusional twits can have yourselves a real Lucky day...... :wave:


Don't shoot the messenger but
What you are actually saying is John Elway is an idiot. He's the guy that said Luck is a generational player while he also has #15 on his own team right now and the best thing he's said about #15 is he's a good football player

Rohirrim
10-09-2011, 09:17 AM
you failed to mention that Aaron Rodgerscame out of the pac 10 as well.;D

Remember how Peyton Manning could never beat Florida when he was at Tennessee? That's because he sucked. Ha!

AlphaSeirra
10-09-2011, 09:19 AM
Wow! You really are as big of an idiot as everybody says. And that's saying something. So, your argument is that the competition Luck faces determines whether he is good or not? It's the same competition (Pac 10) that Elway faced when he was the Stanford QB. If Tebow was as good you think he is, he would have taken the job from Orton by now. Meanwhile, it's questionable whether he can even beat out Quinn.

WoW! you really are one of the biggest delusional twits here, aren't you?
The one that started this thread was touting Lucky's game stats against the Colo School for the Deaf & Blind. LOL

But you're absolutely correct, competition levels don't affect stats produced at all, and that's why TCU usually has a 'higher rated' defense than say Bama or LSU or UF, who only win BCS-NC's over the weak SoS other conference pretenders, like Tx-tOSU-Ok-tOSU-Ore-etc.

Elway and ole Lucky DID NOT play the same level of competition, unless you are only going by the conference name that they played in.
And besides, exceptions do exist. People like a Jerry Rice pop up occasionally.
But answer me this, which conference puts the MOST defensive players into the NFL, year after year?
In fact, which conference puts the most players (any position) into the NFL every year?
Hint, it ain't the LAC 10/12. ;)

And Tebow could easily take Orton & Quinn to the woodshed, if 'taking the job' was how you get the job.
The Bronco FO/HBC get to decide who the starter is, and they've proven ready to ignore the actual 'on the field' game results.

Tebow was better than Orton in 2010, winning %, pts/gm, with the intangables not even close.

2011 Preseason
Tebow 108 PER, ZERO Ints, + 6.4 ypc
Orton 104 PER
Quinn 69 PER

You = twit Hilarious!

Rohirrim
10-09-2011, 09:22 AM
WoW! you really are one of the biggest delusional twits here, aren't you?
The one that started this thread was touting Lucky's game stats against the Colo School for the Deaf & Blind. LOL

But you're absolutely correct, competition levels don't affect stats produced at all, and that's why TCU usually has a 'higher rated' defense than say Bama or LSU or UF, who only win BCS-NC's over the weak SoS other conference pretenders, like Tx-tOSU-Ok-tOSU-Ore-etc.

Elway and ole Lucky DID NOT play the same level of competition, unless you are only going by the conference name that they played in.
And besides, exceptions do exist. People like a Jerry Rice pop up occasionally.
But answer me this, which conference puts the MOST defensive players into the NFL, year after year?
In fact, which conference puts the most players (any position) into the NFL every year?
Hint, it ain't the LAC 10/12. ;)

And Tebow could easily take Orton & Quinn to the woodshed, if 'taking the job' was how you get the job.
The Bronco FO/HBC get to decide who the starter is, and they've proven ready to ignore the actual 'on the field' game results.

Tebow was better than Orton in 2010, winning %, pts/gm, with the intangables not even close.

2011 Preseason
Tebow 108 PER, ZERO Ints, + 6.4 ypc
Orton 104 PER
Quinn 69 PER

You = twit Hilarious!

How many of Luck's games have you watched from beginning to end? I know you'll lie, because the answer is - zero. How many practices have you watched between Orton, Quinn and Tebow? The answer is - zero. Like most of the Tebonites, your brain is in your Teboner.

AlphaSeirra
10-09-2011, 09:26 AM
Remember how Peyton Manning could never beat Florida when he was at Tennessee? That's because he sucked. Ha!

You know, what I can't figure out is why the guy who is now coaching Sam Bradford bothered to take the no talent Tebow in the draft at all?

And I can't figure out why the Bronco FO played that no talent Tebow to end the 2010 season, instead of that top quality ND and 3 year Vet Quinn.

But I really can't figure out why the new offensive genius Foxy HBC AND the FO continue to pay a no talent Tebow when they could have easily cut him.
Or better yet, they could have offerered him up as trade bait instead of Orton in the preseason.

But I'm quite sure that one or more of you football genius types will explain it to me..... :sunshine:

Northman
10-09-2011, 09:34 AM
You know, what I can't figure out is why the guy who is now coaching Sam Bradford bothered to take the no talent Tebow in the draft at all?

And I can't figure out why the Bronco FO played that no talent Tebow to end the 2010 season, instead of that top quality ND and 3 year Vet Quinn.

But I really can't figure out why the new offensive genius Foxy HBC AND the FO continue to pay a no talent Tebow when they could have easily cut him.
Or better yet, they could have offerered him up as trade bait instead of Orton in the preseason.

But I'm quite sure that one or more of you football genius types will explain it to me..... :sunshine:

You do realize that Sam Bradford is one of the worst redzone QB's in the league now right? He is currently ranked 30th having McD as his OC.

Rohirrim
10-09-2011, 09:35 AM
You know, what I can't figure out is why the guy who is now coaching Sam Bradford bothered to take the no talent Tebow in the draft at all?

And I can't figure out why the Bronco FO played that no talent Tebow to end the 2010 season, instead of that top quality ND and 3 year Vet Quinn.

But I really can't figure out why the new offensive genius Foxy HBC AND the FO continue to pay a no talent Tebow when they could have easily cut him.
Or better yet, they could have offerered him up as trade bait instead of Orton in the preseason.

But I'm quite sure that one or more of you football genius types will explain it to me..... :sunshine:

Yeah, Tebow started the last three games. His record was 1 and 2, the same as Orton's first three games this year.

AlphaSeirra
10-09-2011, 09:38 AM
How many of Luck's games have you watched from beginning to end? I know you'll lie, because the answer is - zero. How many practices have you watched between Orton, Quinn and Tebow? The answer is - zero. Like most of the Tebonites, your brain is in your Teboner.

These stats 'MEAN EVERYTHING' and are the PERFECT reason to dump the Bronco team talent in the effort to get Lucky.

"Andrew Luck threw for a season-high 370 yards (14.3 yds/comp) and three touchdowns, and seventh-ranked Stanford stayed
perfect with a 48-7 victory over Pac-12 newcomer Colorado on Saturday night. Luck completed 26 of 33 passes (.788) with
a rare interception to extend the nation's longest winning streak to 13 games."

So, how good of an opponent is Colo really? (Hawaii 37 - 17 Colo)
Colo is currently ranked #106 in the CBSSports 120 Poll with a 1-5, 0-3 record.
They went 5-7 in 2010, and 3-9 in 2009.
The last time that Colo even had a barely winning season (7-6) was back in 2005.

While ANYTHING that Tebow does (College or NFL) means absolutely nothing.

Tebow's !st Soph Heisman in History, 2 SEC-C's and 2 BCS-NC's, + Academic Heisman, etc.
2010 #1 Rookie PER + 5.3 ypc (Better QB than rookie Elway, better FB than rookie Alstott)
2011 Preseason
Tebow 108 PER, ZERO Ints, + 6.4 ypc
Orton 104 PER
Quinn 69 PER

PS
You might see a bit more when watching Stanford and Bronco games if you'd pull your head out of that warm dark place where you seem to be keeping it.....
Or do you just 'blue flash' yourself after watching a Tebow performance? (probable) Hilarious!