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lostknight
09-12-2011, 08:53 AM
Welcome to the first must-win game of the season. Of course, it also happens to be the first game of the season. This will raise some people's hackles immediately, but hear me out. This game will set the tone of the season.

A rousing success, and the Broncos will be rejuvenated in a division that increasingly looks like the Chargers and only the Chargers can vie for the AFC West.

A disaster, and all of the momentum that this team has built up will be gone. The front office threw Tebow under the bus this pre-season to try and stabilize things for Kyle Orton. Before that, they tried to trade Orton, and threw him under the bus until Orton himself blew that up. A opening day loss, especially if it is marked by poor passing play in the red zone and on third downs, will re-open that wound.

The raiders, at least on paper, are not very good. They went 0-4 in pre-season. They lost their best player to free agency, and their star running back has been injured. This is not the team that thumped the Broncos under Kyle Orton, and is not the same team that Tebow played hard against, but ultimately came short up against.

There is also the looming specter of injuries. Almost no-one emerged unscathed yesterday from the injury bug. The Broncos are disastrously short of talent in the second and third teams. That means that this team might wear down really spectacularly later in the season. Wins now are critical to surviving the entire season.

So set the tone. This game matters.

Pick Six
09-12-2011, 08:57 AM
It's a division game, so it absolutely matters...:smashraid

TheReverend
09-12-2011, 09:23 AM
Definitely a "must win" game, esp for Orton and Fox, imo.

Beantown Bronco
09-12-2011, 09:30 AM
Definitely a "must win" game, esp for Orton and Fox, imo.

If Orton goes out and has a career type day but we lose because the defense can't stop them, I'm not so sure.

"Must win game" is right up there with "literally" as one of the most over (and inappropriately) used terms or phrases of all time. If you can lose the game and still make the playoffs, it's not a "must win game" ever (at least for the team) IMO.

TheReverend
09-12-2011, 09:36 AM
If Orton goes out and has a career type day but we lose because the defense can't stop them, I'm not so sure.

"Must win game" is right up there with "literally" as one of the most over (and inappropriately) used terms or phrases of all time. If you can lose the game and still make the playoffs, it's not a "must win game" ever (at least for the team) IMO.

I agree.

But considering the:

Loss to Oak at home last year
Ortons performance in that game
The preparation from coaches in that game
The QB jerk around this off-season
The sheer volume of hatred involved with Oak rivalry

This IS a "must-win" game. If not, blood will ALREADY be in the water for Orton, Fox and more, and the sharks will come.

Dedhed
09-12-2011, 09:37 AM
I tend to agree that this is a must win game, but for different reasons.

We haven't been given a home opener in years, and coming off last year's franchise worst season, and utter pummeling in Denver by these very Raiders, it is utterly imperative that we, and the team, aren't reminded of how bad things were last year. A loss to the Raiders at home on MNF would certainly bring back images of ineptitude, and would kick this season off on a sour note.

Looking at the schedule is another reason this becomes a must win kind of game. In my opinion the Broncos must beat the Raiders and Bengals at home if they hope to have any sort of success this year. The Bengals looked much better than I thought they would yesterday, and are not a walkover by any means. Even starting 1-1 would make it very difficult to get to the Charger game with a winning record.

The Broncos are in for another long year if we go into the Charger game with a 1-3 record. I don't like our chances on the road in Tennessee, let alone Green Bay, and if we don't start 2-0 at home against beatable teams, we're staring 1-4 in the face going into the bye week.

We've been a pretty poor home team in recent years, and the first two weeks will be important in setting the home tone at the newly named "Sports Authority field." Coming from last year's debacle the home folks are not going to have the patience to weather a slow start this year. They need to be inspired by a solid showing, and a win, to believe this team is destined to be something other than a doormat in the AFC. A loss tonight will create almost immediate apathy on the part of the fan base, and only further reduce an already lackluster home field advantage.

Aftermath
09-12-2011, 10:14 AM
Whats goin on with McFadden? Is he hurt or is he starting?

tebowisdabomb
09-12-2011, 10:17 AM
McFadden was ready for the last pre-season game and was held out as a precaution

Rock Chalk
09-12-2011, 11:22 AM
I tend to agree that this is a must win game, but for different reasons.

We haven't been given a home opener in years, and coming off last year's franchise worst season, and utter pummeling in Denver by these very Raiders, it is utterly imperative that we, and the team, aren't reminded of how bad things were last year. A loss to the Raiders at home on MNF would certainly bring back images of ineptitude, and would kick this season off on a sour note.

Looking at the schedule is another reason this becomes a must win kind of game. In my opinion the Broncos must beat the Raiders and Bengals at home if they hope to have any sort of success this year. The Bengals looked much better than I thought they would yesterday, and are not a walkover by any means. Even starting 1-1 would make it very difficult to get to the Charger game with a winning record.

The Broncos are in for another long year if we go into the Charger game with a 1-3 record. I don't like our chances on the road in Tennessee, let alone Green Bay, and if we don't start 2-0 at home against beatable teams, we're staring 1-4 in the face going into the bye week.

We've been a pretty poor home team in recent years, and the first two weeks will be important in setting the home tone at the newly named "Sports Authority field." Coming from last year's debacle the home folks are not going to have the patience to weather a slow start this year. They need to be inspired by a solid showing, and a win, to believe this team is destined to be something other than a doormat in the AFC. A loss tonight will create almost immediate apathy on the part of the fan base, and only further reduce an already lackluster home field advantage.

I dont know, Tennessee looks completely lost right now. Cincy didn't look great, they needed a comeback to beat the lowly Browns. Denver CAN win their first 3 games, but it would take a miracle of epic proportions to beat GB, no denying that.

broncocalijohn
09-12-2011, 11:22 AM
I think when you are picked last in your division, every game is a "must win". Not sure why you need to tell us that the opening weekend vs our arch divison rivals is a "must win". It won't make the season but it sure would erase last year faster with a revenge win and settle down the fan base for a week.

TheReverend
09-12-2011, 11:26 AM
I dont know, Tennessee looks completely lost right now. Cincy didn't look great, they needed a comeback to beat the lowly Browns. Denver CAN win their first 3 games, but it would take a miracle of epic proportions to beat GB, no denying that.

Tenn looked COMPLETELY lost for sure. I told my friend that it looks like their lockout ended Saturday. Hope that sticks for a couple more weeks...

But the "lowly" Browns that finished better than Denver with a way tougher schedule? We can definitely beat Cinci, especially at home, but Denver needs to prove it can win football games before calling other teams "lowly" at the moment.

ColoradoDarin
09-12-2011, 11:32 AM
raider games are always "must win"

It's one of the things that I loved about Shanahan, he knew the importance of this rivalry.

Cito Pelon
09-12-2011, 11:35 AM
I agree.

But considering the:

Loss to Oak at home last year
Ortons performance in that game
The preparation from coaches in that game
The QB jerk around this off-season
The sheer volume of hatred involved with Oak rivalry

This IS a "must-win" game. If not, blood will ALREADY be in the water for Orton, Fox and more, and the sharks will come.

Pretty much. You wouldn't be one of those sharks, would you? No, not you . . .

Broncos4tw
09-12-2011, 11:39 AM
Opening day should always be considered a "must win." Teams that win on opening day have a clear lead on getting into the playoffs. They had a stat on the radio over the weekend, and opening day teams have a fairly significantly higher % of shows in the playoffs, versus teams that didn't.

And it's the Raiders.

And a division opponent.

At home.

Yes.. it's a must win.

SonOfLe-loLang
09-12-2011, 11:46 AM
There are only 16 games in an NFL season. As far as im concerned, every single one of them is must win

orng&blu
09-12-2011, 11:54 AM
In my humble opinion, every time the team sets foot on the field they should expect to win the game. If they don't, then why even compete? In my opinion EVERY game is a "must win" game for true competitors. Settling for anything less is not acceptable.

Traveler
09-12-2011, 01:00 PM
"Must win game" is right up there with "literally" as one of the most over (and inappropriately) used terms or phrases of all time. If you can lose the game and still make the playoffs, it's not a "must win game" ever (at least for the team) IMO.

This!:thumbs:

Game we want Denver to win. Yes! As we do with all our games. Must win, no. Season won't be lost if we lose this game.

Revenge game works better for me.

Kaylore
09-12-2011, 01:24 PM
It would say it's a "would be very good for the staff and franchise if they won this" game. However if they lose this game, but finish 8-8 or better, most people will accept things are moving forward and write the loss off as a product of an abbreviated offseason that hurt a young team with new staff across the board. So I won't agree its a must win.

errand
09-12-2011, 01:29 PM
Definitely a "must win" game, esp for Orton and Fox, imo.

Wow ........I figured it would be a must win situation for defense that surrendered 98 points to the same oakland raiders last season.

I'm thinking our defense needs to set the tone that they will not be pushed around to the tune of 4 touchdowns a game by anybody who shows up.

bendog
09-12-2011, 01:34 PM
on the other hand, a loss tonite would possibly put us at even money with Car in the suck for luck, and Tebow time draws closer. Of course if Payaton is done, Indy may have a lock.

mkporter
09-12-2011, 01:36 PM
Opening day should always be considered a "must win." Teams that win on opening day have a clear lead on getting into the playoffs. They had a stat on the radio over the weekend, and opening day teams have a fairly significantly higher % of shows in the playoffs, versus teams that didn't.



This always seemed like a misleading statistic to me. Is the math any different for teams that win the second game of the season, or the third?

mkporter
09-12-2011, 01:36 PM
on the other hand, a loss tonite would possibly put us at even money with KC in the suck for luck, and Tebow time draws closer. Of course if Payaton is done, Indy may have a lock.

FIFY

jhns
09-12-2011, 01:39 PM
Opening day should always be considered a "must win." Teams that win on opening day have a clear lead on getting into the playoffs. They had a stat on the radio over the weekend, and opening day teams have a fairly significantly higher % of shows in the playoffs, versus teams that didn't.

And it's the Raiders.

And a division opponent.

At home.

Yes.. it's a must win.

They had that stat on one of the pregame shows and I'm pretty sure it was only like 55% of teams that win week one made the playoffs.

Edit: I looked it up, there is a big difference.

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/14/so-how-important-is-week-1-in-the-n-f-l/

Itís true that since the N.F.L. realigned the divisions in 2002, 52.3 percent of 1-0 teams made the playoffs compared with just 22.7 percent of teams that dropped their first game.

bendog
09-12-2011, 01:44 PM
Nah, I don't think KC is really THAT bad. But the Star compared them to Kansas in terms of fans leaving early, and said the FO had no plan, Haley had no plan, and the team came out both flat and out of shape, so this was a loss that could lead to several consecutive losses.

This game's not a must win for Den, and most likely not Jokeland either, because Den is not a very good team, and the Faide are the faide where lockerroom drama will overshadow everything else. But it's an important game for both teams in terms of defining how mediocre their seasons will be. Each loss increases pressure on EFX to start Tebow regardless of whether he has any biz on an NFL field with a full playbook, and each loss brings lockerroom dissention a step closer in Jokeland.

TheReverend
09-12-2011, 01:45 PM
Wow ........I figured it would be a must win situation for defense that surrendered 98 points to the same oakland raiders last season.

I'm thinking our defense needs to set the tone that they will not be pushed around to the tune of 4 touchdowns a game by anybody who shows up.

If there were 1-3 players to pin that on, sure.

As is, what would Denver do? Bench the defense?

No, they'd hold the people responsible for preparing them accountable. Like I said. If you chose to only read Ortons name to fit your hyper-sensitive agenda, then so be it, but that's not the reality.

DenverBrit
09-12-2011, 02:08 PM
I agree.

But considering the:

Loss to Oak at home last year
Ortons performance in that game
The preparation from coaches in that game
The QB jerk around this off-season
The sheer volume of hatred involved with Oak rivalry

This IS a "must-win" game. If not, blood will ALREADY be in the water for Orton, Fox and more, and the sharks will come.

Only the 'idiot' sharks will come, most everyone else will note it's the first game after a lot of upheaval and a brief TC.

It's a 3 year re-build at best, imho.

ColoradoDarin
09-12-2011, 02:16 PM
This always seemed like a misleading statistic to me. Is the math any different for teams that win the second game of the season, or the third?

Good teams win and make the playoffs? Get outta here!

bendog
09-12-2011, 02:17 PM
The tebowites and Joshsupporters will be out like sharks.

lostknight
09-12-2011, 02:23 PM
Starting 0-1 would make winning this season much much harder. If nothing else due to snarky fans that will start to draw lines.

Cito Pelon
09-12-2011, 02:24 PM
If there were 1-3 players to pin that on, sure.

As is, what would Denver do? Bench the defense?

No, they'd hold the people responsible for preparing them accountable. Like I said. If you chose to only read Ortons name to fit your hyper-sensitive agenda, then so be it, but that's not the reality.

Nice Reese Witherspoon take.

TheReverend
09-12-2011, 02:46 PM
Only the 'idiot' sharks will come, most everyone else will note it's the first game after a lot of upheaval and a brief TC.

It's a 3 year re-build at best, imho.

Glad you have your justification all set up for potentially being beaten by Oakland...

bendog
09-12-2011, 02:50 PM
The fact that it's potentially possible is why its a multi-year rebuild. I gotta think Den wins this, though. Orton and Moreno are both healthy, and the oline looks as good to go as it's gonna get given the personnel. But if McFadden comes to play, Den can be gashed. Jason Campbell could be troubled by pressures.

Jay3
09-12-2011, 02:57 PM
The schedule is VERY favorable for the Broncos to have a good start to the season. Some of their easiest opponents are in the first 5 games.

Which has a flip side -- very much restless natives if they start dropping games early. This first one is probably more winnable than it normally would be. They need a good showing.

DenverBrit
09-12-2011, 02:59 PM
Glad you have your justification all set up for potentially being beaten by Oakland...

Do you think this team isn't in rebuild mode??

And I expect to win every game we play, but if we lose the opener, I for one won't be calling for Fox's head.

Cito Pelon
09-12-2011, 03:08 PM
Glad you have your justification all set up for potentially being beaten by Oakland...

Rev the punk has to chime in. Be it negative or positive, the punk HAS to chime in.

TheReverend
09-12-2011, 03:30 PM
Do you think this team isn't in rebuild mode??

And I expect to win every game we play, but if we lose the opener, I for one won't be calling for Fox's head.

...Don't you think OAKLAND is in rebuild mode? Perpetually?

I won't be calling for Fox's head either. But see prior posts. This is a must win game for these guys.

errand
09-12-2011, 03:33 PM
on the other hand, a loss tonite would possibly put us at even money with Car in the suck for luck, and Tebow time draws closer. Of course if Payaton is done, Indy may have a lock.

I, for the life of me, cannot understand how a true fan would want his team to lose in order to draft a certain player or so some clown on the bench can play.....

I want my team to win regardless.......regardless if it means missing out on some hot shot rookie or some back up player's potential.....

Archer81
09-12-2011, 03:33 PM
The schedule is VERY favorable for the Broncos to have a good start to the season. Some of their easiest opponents are in the first 5 games.

Which has a flip side -- very much restless natives if they start dropping games early. This first one is probably more winnable than it normally would be. They need a good showing.


As Buffalo proved yesterday, this is not necessarily true.


:Broncos:

Rock Chalk
09-12-2011, 03:36 PM
All of you shut the **** up and jump on board the Orange Rush!

errand
09-12-2011, 03:39 PM
This always seemed like a misleading statistic to me. Is the math any different for teams that win the second game of the season, or the third?

Teams that generally win their first 2 or 3 games of the season have increased their chances of making the post-season..... of course the 2009 denver broncos shot the hell out of that theory

errand
09-12-2011, 03:46 PM
If there were 1-3 players to pin that on, sure.

As is, what would Denver do? Bench the defense?

No, they'd hold the people responsible for preparing them accountable. Like I said. If you chose to only read Ortons name to fit your hyper-sensitive agenda, then so be it, but that's not the reality.

You brought orton's name up...... I didn't.

You're the one who keeps talking about his performance in the last time the raiders came to denver.... I cannot recall you at anytime talking about how bad the defense played that game. Not to mention your man crush on tim tebow

As far as fox is concerned .....It doesn't matter he was not our head coach last year.... josh mcdaniels was

DenverBrit
09-12-2011, 04:29 PM
...Don't you think OAKLAND is in rebuild mode? Perpetually?

I won't be calling for Fox's head either. But see prior posts. This is a must win game for these guys.

Then we are agreed.

mkporter
09-12-2011, 04:29 PM
...Don't you think OAKLAND is in rebuild mode? Perpetually?

I won't be calling for Fox's head either. But see prior posts. This is a must win game for these guys.

It's a must win if they don't want to start 0-1, that's for sure. I will consider this season a success at 15-1, however. But that's just me, I'm a realist.

TheReverend
09-12-2011, 04:35 PM
You brought orton's name up...... I didn't.

You're the one who keeps talking about his performance in the last time the raiders came to denver.... I cannot recall you at anytime talking about how bad the defense played that game. Not to mention your man crush on tim tebow

As far as fox is concerned .....It doesn't matter he was not our head coach last year.... josh mcdaniels was

Is it even necessary to mention how poorly the defense played?

As for Orton/Tim... Tim outplayed him against the same team on the road at the black hole in his first ever NFL start

while

Orton quarterbacked the most embarrassing loss in Broncos history... oh it happened to be our most hated rival AT HOME.

Be proud of your boy... he was even nice enough to kick off the game by throwing a sweet TD

...to a guy in silver and black.

errand
09-12-2011, 05:56 PM
Is it even necessary to mention how poorly the defense played?

As for Orton/Tim... Tim outplayed him against the same team on the road at the black hole in his first ever NFL start

while

Orton quarterbacked the most embarrassing loss in Broncos history... oh it happened to be our most hated rival AT HOME.

Be proud of your boy... he was even nice enough to kick off the game by throwing a sweet TD

...to a guy in silver and black.

Wow.....orton has a bad game and defense has a f****** worse one.... but you still blame orton for the loss.

Your hero worship for tim tebow has definitely blinded you..... but don't worry I'm pretty sure orton will have a bad game this year and you can feel vindicated again

TheReverend
09-12-2011, 06:23 PM
Wow.....orton has a bad game and defense has a ******* worse one.... but you still blame orton for the loss.

Your hero worship for tim tebow has definitely blinded you..... but don't worry I'm pretty sure orton will have a bad game this year and you can feel vindicated again

I blame a whole LOT of people for the loss.

You're the one getting bent over one of them being Orton. Not me.

...and give some examples of my "hero worship" please? Better yet, how about just one?

Agamemnon
09-12-2011, 06:38 PM
This always seemed like a misleading statistic to me. Is the math any different for teams that win the second game of the season, or the third?

Yeah I'm sure there's a correlation between the teams that win any given week and those teams having better records overall. I can't imagine why. Hilarious!

Agamemnon
09-12-2011, 06:39 PM
As Buffalo proved yesterday, this is not necessarily true.


:Broncos:

What did Buffalo prove? Just looked like KC **** the bed to me.

TheReverend
09-12-2011, 10:46 PM
Wow.....orton has a bad game and defense has a ******* worse one.... but you still blame orton for the loss.

Your hero worship for tim tebow has definitely blinded you..... but don't worry I'm pretty sure orton will have a bad game this year and you can feel vindicated again

Tell me more, idiot.

mkporter
09-12-2011, 11:10 PM
Well, time to pack it in for the season, you lose a must-win and it's all over. Better luck next year fellas.