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ZONA
09-10-2011, 11:39 AM
Listening to a roundtable discussion on NFL Network the other day and rushing the passer topic came up and Sapp throws out "Did you see Von Miller, Whoooooo, turns that edge, gave me visions of Derick Thomas"


I t think Von Miller is already making waves though the NFL and he hasn't even played his 1st regular season game yet. That's frickin awesome.

Archer81
09-10-2011, 11:52 AM
But he hasnt done anything in the NFL! He is Aaron Maybin 2.0!

Durrrrrrrr.

...

:Broncos:

Kaylore
09-10-2011, 12:05 PM
But he hasnt done anything in the NFL! He is Aaron Maybin 2.0!

Durrrrrrrr.

...

:Broncos:

They'll leave a rookie tight end in to chip who isn't starting. He was good in college and also their backup offensive lineman didn't have a good game against him so Von Miller's done.

theAPAOps5
09-10-2011, 12:06 PM
I still can't believe that Raider idiot made that post. He has to be 14 or has fallen off a ladder recently.

gyldenlove
09-10-2011, 01:10 PM
I still can't believe that Raider idiot made that post. He has to be 14 or has fallen off a ladder recently.

He is a Raiders fan, isn't that sufficient evidence that he does not have full control of his faculties?

OBF1
09-10-2011, 01:14 PM
He is a Raiders fan, isn't that sufficient evidence that he does not have full control of his faculties?

Or a base I.Q. equal to or greater than a turnip.

extralife
09-10-2011, 02:09 PM
Or a base I.Q. equal to or greater than a turnip.

I should hope everyone's IQ is "equal to or greater than a turnip"

BroncoBuff
09-10-2011, 02:28 PM
But he hasnt done anything in the NFL! He is Aaron Maybin 2.0!

Durrrrrrrr.

...

:Broncos:

Errrr ... try Lawrence Taylor 2.0

Von will lead the league in sacks this year.

TheReverend
09-10-2011, 02:44 PM
Errrr ... try Lawrence Taylor 2.0

Von will lead the league in sacks this year.

Very bold statement.

Would be awesome, but INSANELY unlikely.

epicSocialism4tw
09-10-2011, 02:48 PM
They'll leave a rookie tight end in to chip who isn't starting. He was good in college and also their backup offensive lineman didn't have a good game against him so Von Miller's done.

LOL

Von's raw rookie abilities are enough to get him in the backfield regularly.

I don't feel apprehensious at all saying that this time two seasons from now, that people could be talking about him as the best defensive player in the NFL.

McDman
09-10-2011, 02:50 PM
But he hasnt done anything in the NFL! He is Aaron Maybin 2.0!

Durrrrrrrr.

...

:Broncos:

Where was this said?

GoBroncos84
09-10-2011, 03:10 PM
Listening to a roundtable discussion on NFL Network the other day and rushing the passer topic came up and Sapp throws out "Did you see Von Miller, Whoooooo, turns that edge, gave me visions of Derick Thomas"


I t think Von Miller is already making waves though the NFL and he hasn't even played his 1st regular season game yet. That's frickin awesome.

You should have seen what they were saying on Inside the NFL this week. They discussed the hall of fame class for this year, and then had a discussion on which current players they think will be in the Hall some day. Chris Collinsworth stated that based on ability and potential, he think Von Miller gets in some day. That kind of buzz before he has even played a regular season game is quite rare. Its hard not to see how special he can be if everything works out

broncosteven
09-10-2011, 03:21 PM
They'll leave a rookie tight end in to chip who isn't starting. He was good in college and also their backup offensive lineman didn't have a good game against him so Von Miller's done.

I think Miller is going to really struggle when the Raider line up 10 OT's to block for their RB.

broncosteven
09-10-2011, 03:23 PM
You should have seen what they were saying on Inside the NFL this week. They discussed the hall of fame class for this year, and then had a discussion on which current players they think will be in the Hall some day. Chris Collinsworth stated that based on ability and potential, he think Von Miller gets in some day. That kind of buzz before he has even played a regular season game is quite rare. Its hard not to see how special he can be if everything works out

That is just to fill TV time, let the kids play and talk about what they do during games, not what they could do in UnicornHappyLand.

BroncoBuff
09-10-2011, 03:25 PM
Very bold statement.

Would be awesome, but INSANELY unlikely.

I called my shot, I'll live with it.

He led the nation last year at A&M, that's one helluva lotta guys he beat out. Plus no matter what Warren What-a-Sapp says, teams won't be ready for him at first. He should start very quick, then slow up as teams adjust and as the season length takes its usual toll on rookies. To be honest, I'm not that confident he'll even be playing on first downs late in the season, he's not a big guy.

A lot depends on how Allen uses Von and Elvis, where they line up in what situations. Realistically, maybe 12 sacks.

SonOfLe-loLang
09-10-2011, 03:42 PM
I think Miller is going to really struggle when the Raider line up 10 OT's to block for their RB.

****, i didnt consider this strategy! we're screwed.

Archer81
09-10-2011, 03:45 PM
Where was this said?


The MNF thread created by some raider fans. Somehow a rookie TE, a rookie RT and McFadden are going to be enough to stop Miller and Dumervil (because our pass rushers are undersized...or something. I stopped paying attention when they said Jarvis Moss was a pass rush specialist...)


:Broncos:

TheReverend
09-10-2011, 04:01 PM
I called my shot, I'll live with it.

He led the nation last year at A&M, that's one helluva lotta guys he beat out. Plus no matter what Warren What-a-Sapp says, teams won't be ready for him at first. He should start very quick, then slow up as teams adjust and as the season length takes its usual toll on rookies. To be honest, I'm not that confident he'll even be playing on first downs late in the season, he's not a big guy.

A lot depends on how Allen uses Von and Elvis, where they line up in what situations. Realistically, maybe 12 sacks.

1. He's not even remotely small for his position

2. 12 sacks is your conservative "realistic" number?

cutthemdown
09-10-2011, 04:05 PM
If the Raiders have to have a TE help block Miller then Broncos are off to a good start. That mean Doom coming 1 on 1 because you can't use 4 blockers on 2 defenders. Also only the best TE can chip a great pass rusher and still get out for a good route. That is why edge pass rushers so big, they change the whole offensive approach.

Last yr Broncos had nothing to make any team change anything. With Doom and Miller I think we have what it takes to make teams worry about the edges.

cutthemdown
09-10-2011, 04:07 PM
12 sacks would be rookie of the year for sure. If both Doom and Miller can get into double digits I will be very very pleased.

McDman
09-10-2011, 04:12 PM
I called my shot, I'll live with it.

He led the nation last year at A&M, that's one helluva lotta guys he beat out. Plus no matter what Warren What-a-Sapp says, teams won't be ready for him at first. He should start very quick, then slow up as teams adjust and as the season length takes its usual toll on rookies. To be honest, I'm not that confident he'll even be playing on first downs late in the season, he's not a big guy.

A lot depends on how Allen uses Von and Elvis, where they line up in what situations. Realistically, maybe 12 sacks.

Wait, you said Von will lead the league in sacks and now you're saying he'll have 12? No way 12 leads the league.

epicSocialism4tw
09-10-2011, 04:19 PM
Wait, you said Von will lead the league in sacks and now you're saying he'll have 12? No way 12 leads the league.

He would probably need 14-18 this season to lead the league.

extralife
09-10-2011, 04:58 PM
this is the best part of the OM cycle for draft picks/free agents. lets review:

-guy sucks. why did we draft/sign guy instead of other guy. fire the front office/bowlen is poor

-you know I'm going to go out on a limb here I think guy is going to turn some heads and be better than we ever expected and also we are going to win double digit games and guy will be a big part of why

-guy is a hall of famer. we've never had a player like guy.

-[after season, in which guy has not yet proven to be a hall of famer] guy is a bust. cut guy. I was right about guy all along. picks like guy show just how little this front office/coach knows about football. I'm done with this team.

epicSocialism4tw
09-10-2011, 05:04 PM
this is the best part of the OM cycle for draft picks/free agents. lets review:

-guy sucks. why did we draft/sign guy instead of other guy. fire the front office/bowlen is poor

-you know I'm going to go out on a limb here I think guy is going to turn some heads and be better than we ever expected and also we are going to win double digit games and guy will be a big part of why

-guy is a hall of famer. we've never had a player like guy.

-[after season, in which guy has not yet proven to be a hall of famer] guy is a bust. cut guy. I was right about guy all along. picks like guy show just how little this front office/coach knows about football. I'm done with this team.

Ha!

ShutDownPoster
09-10-2011, 11:35 PM
Double digit sacks...whaaaat? But you can't make plays from the strong side ( spoken from a devout DJ apologist ) :rofl:

Shananahan
09-11-2011, 12:34 AM
I don't care how many sacks he gets, honestly. I'm thinking a good realistic number would be 8-10.

I'm more concerned with how he'll play the run, zone, etc on all the plays that he isn't rushing the passer, because I know he can rush the passer.

extralife
09-11-2011, 01:37 AM
Double digit sacks...whaaaat? But you can't make plays from the strong side ( spoken from a devout DJ apologist ) :rofl:

Miller and DJ share nothing in common.

I mean, unless you thought DJ's primary role on this team is to rush the quarterback, in which case you are stupid.

ShutDownPoster
09-11-2011, 02:50 AM
Miller and DJ share nothing in common.

I mean, unless you thought DJ's primary role on this team is to rush the quarterback, in which case you are stupid.

Yes you got it I'm stupid Mr Internet Genius

CEH
09-11-2011, 06:41 AM
If Miller can get to 10 sacks but more imporantly generate about 3-5 forced fumbles I would be esactic

Cito Pelon
09-11-2011, 09:28 AM
Miller will be a good one so long as he doesn't start hanging out with the idiot partiers on the team, spending too much time in clubs and sniffing after the tramp camp-followers. Blueflame oughtta hook him up with some nice girls and get him married quick.

BroncoBuff
09-12-2011, 06:26 PM
1. He's not even remotely small for his position

245 is definitely not big for SOLB, "not even remotely." Not small either I suppose, but he looks kinda slim, and as a rookie he's bound to lose poundage, we'll see.

Want to argue more ... we can crunch the SOLB weight numbers roster-by-roster...?


2. 12 sacks is your conservative "realistic" number?

Yes, methinks 12 is pretty realistic. Remember, teams MUST double Elvis, bad idea not do. Can't really double two guys, especially when one is a LB with a supersonic first step. If you double both, there's fewer receivers in patterns.

Rock Chalk
09-12-2011, 06:31 PM
245 is definitely not big for SOLB, "not even remotely." Not small either I suppose, but he looks kinda slim, and as a rookie he's bound to lose poundage, we'll see.

Want to argue more ... we can crunch the SOLB weight numbers roster-by-roster...?




Yes, methinks 12 is pretty realistic. Remember, teams MUST double Elvis, bad idea not do. Can't really double two guys, especially when one is a LB with a supersonic first step. If you double both, there's fewer receivers in patterns.

I see you still suck at life. :thumbs:

TheReverend
09-12-2011, 06:34 PM
245 is definitely not big for SOLB, "not even remotely." Not small either I suppose, but he looks kinda slim, and as a rookie he's bound to lose poundage, we'll see.

Want to argue more ... we can crunch the SOLB weight numbers roster-by-roster...?

Yes, methinks 12 is pretty realistic. Remember, teams MUST double Elvis, bad idea not do. Can't really double two guys, especially when one is a LB with a supersonic first step. If you double both, there's fewer receivers in patterns.

Show me, ohhhh, say... 5 4-3 SOLBs that are bigger than Von Miller.

Since clearly you think he's small for his position, this should be simple.

I'll wait right here.

BroncoBuff
09-12-2011, 06:36 PM
Show me, ohhhh, say... 5 4-3 SOLBs that are bigger than Von Miller.

Since clearly you think he's small for his position, this should be simple.

I'll wait right here.


Actually, Broncos official site lists him at 237 (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Von-Miller/036470c3-df00-47e4-a936-86200f2c88dc), very VERY small for a strongside backer, he might even be the lightest SOLB in the league!

Accepting your gracious apology in advance, Reverend ... Peace be With You.




I STILL SUCK AT EVERYTHING DAMMIT YOU F'ING RAENOS! WHAT ELSE IS NEW GRRRR

BroncoBuff
09-12-2011, 06:43 PM
At last .... my love has come along!

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Von+Miller+azPch7c_bWbm.jpg


LOOK AT THAT GUY! A world class athlete, born to sack ... yet he looks like half-an-Urkel!

My love for Von Miller make's Khan's love for Kuper seem like the white hot hatred of a thousand suns.

I love Von Miller so much, I would ... I would ... I dunno, do his laundry.

And if that's not love, I don't know what love is.

TheReverend
09-12-2011, 06:54 PM
245 is definitely not big for SOLB, "not even remotely." Not small either I suppose, but he looks kinda slim, and as a rookie he's bound to lose poundage, we'll see.

Want to argue more ... we can crunch the SOLB weight numbers roster-by-roster...?

I'm antsy waiting on the Denver game, so i did it for you:

Lions - Durant: 240 lbs
TB - Hayes: 226 lbs
Saints - Shanle: 245 lbs
Panthers - Anderson: 235 lbs
Falcons - Nicholas: 236 lbs
Vikings - Henderson: 244 lbs
Bears - Roach: 236 lbs
Rams - Leber: 245 lbs
Seahawks - Curry: 255 lbs
Eagles - Fokou: 236 lbs
Giants - Boley: 230 lbs
Browns - Gocong: 263 lbs
Raiders - Groves: 265 lbs
Titans - Ayers: 254 lbs
Jags - Smith: 249 lbs
Bengals - Lawson: 240 lbs

Broncos - Miller: 245 lbs

So... out of 16 4-3 teams that aren't us, 5 are bigger than Miller.

Which puts him in the top 1/3rd of 4-3 Sams as far as size is concerned.

TheReverend
09-12-2011, 06:55 PM
Actually, Broncos official site lists him at 237 (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Von-Miller/036470c3-df00-47e4-a936-86200f2c88dc), very VERY small for a strongside backer, he might even be the lightest SOLB in the league!

Accepting your gracious apology in advance, Reverend ... Peace be With You.

I STILL SUCK AT EVERYTHING DAMMIT YOU F'ING RAENOS! WHAT ELSE IS NEW GRRRR

1. He still wouldn't be remotely the smallest SOLB in the league, genius.

2. He weighed 246 at the combine. So yeah.

BroncoBuff
09-12-2011, 07:01 PM
He weighed 246 at the combine. So yeah.

Who do you trust ... those geeks with clipboards or the OFFICIAL DENVER BRONCOS numbers? Besides, I only see two guys on that list more than a pound or two lighter than Von.

Please Rev, don't disrespect the official Broncos numbers, it's unbecoming. I'm actually embarrassed for you.

Just be gracious, I beg you ... bow down like a man.

TheReverend
09-12-2011, 07:04 PM
Who do you trust ... those geeks with clipboards or the OFFICIAL DENVER BRONCOS numbers? Besides, I only see two guys on that list more than a pound or two lighter than Von.

Please Rev, don't disrespect the official Broncos numbers, it's unbecoming. I'm actually embarrassed for you.

Just be gracious, I beg you ... bow down like a man.

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