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Yoda
09-07-2011, 07:42 PM
Well, here we go again Broncos fans. I love this rivalry, and love to hate the Broncos. With that said, here is my take...

Broncos will no doubt come out fired up and wanting revenge for being humiliated in front of the home crowd. I would not be surprised if Denver carries momentum into the 2nd quarter. But, all games eventually settle in and that's where the Raiders run game comes in. I see this game being close, with the Raiders taking over in the 3rd due to the run game.

If the Raiders decide to focus on the pass, Denver wins as this would just play into Denver's strength on D to rush the passer.

If the Raiders can effectively run the ball, Raiders win.

Denver's O must be able to run the ball. The Raiders were able to shut down AFC west running games, and the DL was able to man handle the AFC West O lines. The same DL is back and is the strength of the D. The DL may be able to dominate the LOS to help out a weaken secondary. If the DL does not apply pressure, Then Orton will carve up the DB's.

I expect a much improved Broncos, but not have quite enough to win the game.

Raiders 21 Denver 17.

rugbythug
09-07-2011, 07:45 PM
Similar yet opposite I think.

theAPAOps5
09-07-2011, 07:47 PM
Flip the scores and you are dead on. Raiders aren't close to the same team that rolled the Broncos. I agree it will be lower scoring and close just think Denver defense makes one more stop.

TheReverend
09-07-2011, 07:48 PM
Richard Seymour has looked even more unblockable than ever so far this year

Dedhed
09-07-2011, 07:50 PM
Reasonable take, but Kyle Orton's career rides on this game, and adding that to the utter fail of last year's game, the Broncos will manage a win.

Yoda
09-07-2011, 07:52 PM
Flip the scores and you are dead on. Raiders aren't close to the same team that rolled the Broncos. I agree it will be lower scoring and close just think Denver defense makes one more stop.

Well, the last game in Denver, Namndi did not play. Aside from Namndi, Miller, and Gallery, this is virtually the same team. Boss is a good replacement for Miller, Gallery was not a world beater. But the loss of Namndi is huge. This is why the DL MUST help the DB's.

broncosteven
09-07-2011, 07:55 PM
I think it comes down to can Hue Jackson out coach John Fox.

I don't think Denver has shown everything in the PS, I will be watching for a wrinkle that Denver throws at the butt-pirates and we bring home the win.

We don't have mCd holding back this team anymore, I think Fox will be patient and our run D will be alot better than it was last year.

I am looking for Denver to win in the 20-13 range. I think Fox will find a way to stop the run and keep pressure on Campbell.

Mogulseeker
09-07-2011, 07:57 PM
I do not congregate cordially with Raiders fans. I respectfully decline.

McDman
09-07-2011, 07:58 PM
I think if we can't stop the run it's going to be ugly.

Yoda
09-07-2011, 07:58 PM
Funny that you say that Fox has held back in PS. Hue has been quoted as saying that he has played a VERY vanilla O. It is no coincidence that the O improved with the arrival of Jackson.

TheReverend
09-07-2011, 08:13 PM
Funny that you say that Fox has held back in PS. Hue has been quoted as saying that he has played a VERY vanilla O. It is no coincidence that the O improved with the arrival of Al Saunders.

Fixed

broncosteven
09-07-2011, 08:14 PM
Funny that you say that Fox has held back in PS. Hue has been quoted as saying that he has played a VERY vanilla O. It is no coincidence that the O improved with the arrival of Jackson.

Like I said it comes down to coaching. It will be nice to watch real NFL football again, not Canton High School's version of Belly's vision.

Kaylore
09-07-2011, 08:17 PM
It will be interesting. I think its close. You have two new squad's, but I think our team has jitters early on that the Raiders could take advantage of especially for such a young team.

Fox is pretty ho hum in MNF games, though playing in Carolina he didn't get many chances.

On Monday night Football Fox is
At home: 2-2
Away: 0-2
Overall: 2-4

Not a great sign for our boys in Orange. I think the loss of Miller, Nnamdi and injuries at receiver will be a bigger issue for the Raiders than they want to admit, though. The Fade can't run it EVERY down and expect to win. It really will come down to who's offensive line plays better. On paper it would appear the Raiders should win this game, but I have a good feeling about this game.

The one down is Montrose and I are going to the game. I have never been to a game with Montrose and we won. Granted, we've only been to two, but every other game I've been to we won, so hopefully this is the game that breaks that trend.

Br0nc0Buster
09-07-2011, 08:23 PM
Gonna come down to our ability (or inability) to contain the run game

We force Oakland to pass and I like our chances

not that preseason means much at all, but Oak's defense has looked a little out of sync

Im just as curios about our offense as defense, I hope an improvement in our run game can lead to longer drives and ultimately more TDs in the RZ

Yoda
09-07-2011, 08:28 PM
It will be interesting. I think its close. You have two new squad's, but I think our team has jitters early on that the Raiders could take advantage of especially for such a young team.

Fox is pretty ho hum in MNF games, though playing in Carolina he didn't get many chances.

On Monday night Football Fox is
At home: 2-2
Away: 0-2
Overall: 2-4

Not a great sign for our boys in Orange. I think the loss of Miller, Nnamdi and injuries at receiver will be a bigger issue for the Raiders than they want to admit, though. The Fade can't run it EVERY down and expect to win. It really will come down to who's offensive line plays better. On paper it would appear the Raiders should win this game, but I have a good feeling about this game.

The one down is Montrose and I are going to the game. I have never been to a game with Montrose and we won. Granted, we've only been to two, but every other game I've been to we won, so hopefully this is the game that breaks that trend.

I am not afraid to admit the loss of Miller being a huge factor, but Boss is not far behind Millers ability. Your right, the Raiders can't run every down, one X factor that has not been mentioned is Reece, he is a match up nightmare for LB's and that's not mentioning Ford. I usually would be ho hum about the Raiders speed on O. The difference now is that the speed at the skill positions comes with....ball handling skills. Now speed truly is a factor.

schaaf
09-07-2011, 08:33 PM
It will be interesting. I think its close. You have two new squad's, but I think our team has jitters early on that the Raiders could take advantage of especially for such a young team.

Fox is pretty ho hum in MNF games, though playing in Carolina he didn't get many chances.

On Monday night Football Fox is
At home: 2-2
Away: 0-2
Overall: 2-4

Not a great sign for our boys in Orange. I think the loss of Miller, Nnamdi and injuries at receiver will be a bigger issue for the Raiders than they want to admit, though. The Fade can't run it EVERY down and expect to win. It really will come down to who's offensive line plays better. On paper it would appear the Raiders should win this game, but I have a good feeling about this game.

The one down is Montrose and I are going to the game. I have never been to a game with Montrose and we won. Granted, we've only been to two, but every other game I've been to we won, so hopefully this is the game that breaks that trend.

For some reason I've always pictured Montrose looking like Brian Xanders... Am I correct? Hahaha

theAPAOps5
09-07-2011, 08:34 PM
It will be interesting. I think its close. You have two new squad's, but I think our team has jitters early on that the Raiders could take advantage of especially for such a young team.

Fox is pretty ho hum in MNF games, though playing in Carolina he didn't get many chances.

On Monday night Football Fox is
At home: 2-2
Away: 0-2
Overall: 2-4

Not a great sign for our boys in Orange. I think the loss of Miller, Nnamdi and injuries at receiver will be a bigger issue for the Raiders than they want to admit, though. The Fade can't run it EVERY down and expect to win. It really will come down to who's offensive line plays better. On paper it would appear the Raiders should win this game, but I have a good feeling about this game.

The one down is Montrose and I are going to the game. I have never been to a game with Montrose and we won. Granted, we've only been to two, but every other game I've been to we won, so hopefully this is the game that breaks that trend.

I will be there too! Have never lost on Monday night when I am there!

Dedhed
09-07-2011, 08:37 PM
I will be there too! Have never lost on Monday night when I am there!

You idiot!

Yoda
09-07-2011, 08:37 PM
Fixed

Ya, ok. I should have been more clear. Hue's arrival last year brought huge improvements to the O, that was no coincidence, Suanders is a great pick up for OC.

Broncoman13
09-07-2011, 08:40 PM
This, hold the Faid to a buck twenty or less and were in pretty good shape.
If we hol them down and pull a lead I am scared to death to see how many screens McFadden ends up with! They killed us with screens last year and we didn't have a pass rush. Gonna be ugly with Doom and Bloom! In the wrong place when those screens start coming. Need Warren back in a big way, that boy can sniff out a screen as its coming thru the airwaves to Campbell's helmet!

Final score Denver19 Raiders 17. And Orton will still get booed for missing 4 TD opportunities which turn to FGs. Go Broncos! Go OSKIE SCORE!!!!

I think if we can't stop the run it's going to be ugly.

Bronx33
09-07-2011, 08:41 PM
Iam so looking forward to seeing our DEs chase the raider QB all over the place.

Yoda
09-07-2011, 08:45 PM
This, hold the Faid to a buck twenty or less and were in pretty good shape.
If we hol them down and pull a lead I am scared to death to see how many screens McFadden ends up with! They killed us with screens last year and we didn't have a pass rush. Gonna be ugly with Doom and Bloom! In the wrong place when those screens start coming. Need Warren back in a big way, that boy can sniff out a screen as its coming thru the airwaves to Campbell's helmet!

Final score Denver19 Raiders 17. And Orton will still get booed for missing 4 TD opportunities which turn to FGs. Go Broncos! Go OSKIE SCORE!!!!

Funny that you mention the screens. Best way to slow down a pass rush (aside from a beast of an O line)..... is a great running game and well executed screens. Two things the Raides do very well.

Bronx33
09-07-2011, 08:50 PM
Funny that you mention the screens. Best way to slow down a pass rush (aside from a beast of an O line)..... is a great running game and well executed screens. Two things the Raides do very well.


Its an all new season.

Bronx33
09-07-2011, 08:52 PM
Oakland scored a league-low three touchdowns in their four exhibition games and that is the year 2011

Yoda
09-07-2011, 08:56 PM
Oakland scored a league-low three touchdowns in their four exhibition games and that is the year 2011

Yes, EXHIBITIION, I have watched football for 30+ years. One thing I have learned is to put little or no weight on preseason games. The 1st two games are a better indicator.

broncos-rock
09-07-2011, 09:05 PM
Kevin Boss - TE - Raiders

Kevin Boss (knee) missed Raiders practice Wednesday.
Oakland beat writers have already confirmed that Boss' status for Week 1 is in doubt. He's going to start the season slowly and is off the fantasy radar.


This was the problem with him when he was with the Giants and seems to happening with the Raiduhs. I honestly dont think this game will be close at all. Broncos 31 Raiduhs 14.:strong:

broncosteven
09-07-2011, 09:06 PM
Funny that you mention the screens. Best way to slow down a pass rush (aside from a beast of an O line)..... is a great running game and well executed screens. Two things the Raides do very well.

Ayers has been unable to read a single screen so far this PS. I hope he figures it out because he could get burned alot Monday night.

kappys
09-07-2011, 09:10 PM
i am still very scared of our ability to stop the run. However a change in ethos for the D, the loss of Gallery(who mauled our interior line), injuries at receiver for the Fade making it tougher to force the defense to play honestly will favor the Broncos - our injuries at DT will really, really hurt us. I think fresh players and excitement will favor us in stuffing the run during the first half before fatigue wears in.

I think the Broncos really have to get up early - ideally 10 points to force the Raiders out from power rushing - if we can do that victory is in the bag.

Yoda
09-07-2011, 09:17 PM
Kevin Boss - TE - Raiders

Kevin Boss (knee) missed Raiders practice Wednesday.
Oakland beat writers have already confirmed that Boss' status for Week 1 is in doubt. He's going to start the season slowly and is off the fantasy radar.


This was the problem with him when he was with the Giants and seems to happening with the Raiduhs. I honestly dont think this game will be close at all. Broncos 31 Raiduhs 14.:strong:

Not having Boss will be a blow. Meyers is only a stop gap. This is where Reece must pick up the Slack. I have read how Von Miller has been praised for his play thus far. To be honest, he looks like the real deal. That being said, the Raiders have two Rooks that not only have speed but the ball skills also. Denarius Moore has had a solid PS and Tawain Jones looks like the real deal at RB. They will be factors in this game.

ICON
09-07-2011, 09:23 PM
Hue first game as a head coach on the road against a divisional rival. Your pass defense hasn't look good. Nobody knows what the raiders are getting from McFadden. Don't know who is actually going to be ready on the raiders D.

Considering raiders track record on prime time and going on the road, and all of your injuries.

Blitzing now leaves CBs on an island, where they will be exposed.


Brandon Lloyd double cover,Royal lined up wide,Decker in the slot TD

It will be Orange Monday pay back is a bitch......................................

Yoda
09-07-2011, 09:27 PM
Hue first game as a head coach on the road against a divisional rival. Your pass defense hasn't look good. Nobody knows what the raiders are getting from McFadden. Don't know who is actually going to be ready on the raiders D.

Considering raiders track record on prime time and going on the road, and all of your injuries.

Blitzing now leaves CBs on an island, where they will be exposed.


Brandon Lloyd double cover,Royal lined up wide,Decker in the slot TD

It will be Orange Monday pay back is a b****......................................

If I'm not mistaken, Denver's primetime record has been horrible also. Listen, personally this game is not a gimmie for either team. I think that both sides will be surprised by something unexpected.

Spider
09-07-2011, 09:27 PM
This game like any other game , you have to beat the man in front of u , be it running or passing , you have to win the physical battles ...... cant do that then all the game planning and coaching , new team , means squat ..... lets see if Fox has the front 7 ready

cutthemdown
09-07-2011, 09:32 PM
I don't think Raiders can cover the WR's or block Doom and Miller. Broncos probably can't stop McFadden or run much on the Raiders. Going to be a close game......maybe lol. They beat us pretty bad last yr.

Punisher
09-07-2011, 09:37 PM
lol this is my take I'm benching the Steelers D and starting the Broncos D (I pick them in the 17 round heheheh)

Yoda
09-07-2011, 09:40 PM
This where screen plays and the run game comes to play. The Raiders would be stupid to focus on the pass, that just plays into the Broncos pass rush. Granted, the "Von-Doom" tandem could be a nightmare.....don't forget Seymore, he is a beast and frees up the other D linemen and Roloando McClain.

ICON
09-07-2011, 09:47 PM
This where screen plays and the run game comes to play. The Raiders would be stupid to focus on the pass, that just plays into the Broncos pass rush. Granted, the "Von-Doom" tandem could be a nightmare.....don't forget Seymore, he is a beast and frees up the other D linemen and Roloando McClain.


Does not your scheme worry you a bit. Chuck Bresnahan D looks oblivious to me. McClain is gonna have to take a huge step this season.

Yoda
09-07-2011, 09:51 PM
The Scheme? Lol, it has been the same DAMM scheme since the 70's . I am not over confident about this game. Denver could win, but if the Raiders do what they do best on O and the DL dominates. Raiders win. McClain had been a beast in the PS.

ICON
09-07-2011, 09:58 PM
The Scheme? Lol, it has been the same DAMM scheme since the 70's . I am not over confident about this game. Denver could win, but if the Raiders do what they do best on O and the DL dominates. Raiders win. McClain had been a beast in the PS.

same scheme and using the same playbook. ROFL!

Kaylore
09-07-2011, 09:59 PM
If I'm not mistaken, Denver's primetime record has been horrible also. Listen, personally this game is not a gimmie for either team. I think that both sides will be surprised by something unexpected.

You are if you're talking MNF. On MNF at home we're 20-10-1. Most of the losses came in the seventies too. I don't know our prime time record, though.

I also completely forgot we're nearly unbeatable in home openers.

The Broncos own an NFL-best 24-3 record in home openers since 1984, as the club has won its last 10 such games to tie for the third-longest home opener winning streak in league history.

Even when we suck we win our home openers. I'm going to change my mind and go ahead and say we win this game. :bronxrox::smashraid

Yoda
09-07-2011, 10:02 PM
Hmmm, looks like it's time to for the Raiders to break some streaks. They know how from last year. But, I am talking more than just MNF, the Denver Post pointed this out.

Gort
09-07-2011, 10:03 PM
Well, here we go again Broncos fans. I love this rivalry, and love to hate the Broncos. With that said, here is my take...

Raiders 21 Denver 17.

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underrated29
09-07-2011, 10:05 PM
Hmmm, looks like it's time to for the Raiders to break some streaks. They know how from last year. But, I am talking more than just MNF, the Denver Post pointed this out.


yep, starting with sweeping the division again...oh wait,..

*WARHORSE*
09-07-2011, 10:06 PM
While Seymore is a beast, you'll see they wont line him up against Clady cause Clady stones him.


Denver wins this game imo, but if they dont, its going to be a long and winding road to the end of the season.

Yoda
09-07-2011, 10:08 PM
He has been lined up in the middle because he us hands down the best DT on the team. Denver's OL was spanked twice last year by the Raiders DL. I expect more of the same.

Yoda
09-07-2011, 10:11 PM
yep, starting with sweeping the division again...oh wait,..

Right, well if the Raiders beat the Broncos Monday, Denver will be swept again. I expect the Raiders to split their games with SD and KC.

ICON
09-07-2011, 10:12 PM
He has been lined up in the middle because he us hands down the best DT on the team. Denver's OL was spanked twice last year by the Raiders DL. I expect more of the same.



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Yoda
09-07-2011, 10:16 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pDMUU22xD5o/Ti86o44hyXI/AAAAAAAAAR0/nuTK2sha53Y/s1600/rone_g_expect_the_unexpected-front-large.jpg

You do the same buddy.

ICON
09-07-2011, 10:26 PM
You do the same buddy.


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"It's a freight train coming your way"

And it feels right this time
On his crash course with the big time
Pay no mind to the distant thunder
New Day fills his head with wonder, boy

Says it feels right this time
Turned it 'round and found the right line
“Good day to be alive, sir
Good day to be alive,” he says

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
Was just a freight train coming your way
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
Was just a freight train coming your way

Don't it feels right like this
All the pieces fall to his wish
“Suck up for that quick reward, boy
Suck up for that quick reward,” they say

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
Was just a freight train coming your way
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
Was just a freight train coming your way
It's coming your way
It's coming your wayaaay oh yeah!
Here it comes

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
Was just a freight train coming your way

Then it comes to be, yeah...

Then it comes to be, yeah...

Then it comes to be, yeah...

Then it comes to be, yeah...

Then it comes to be, yeah.

Then it comes to be, yeah...

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Then it comes to be, yeah!

ghwk
09-07-2011, 10:27 PM
I'd like to see the gutless drunk v the senile wonder in a 3 round cage match as the tie breaker. That would be awesome.

Yoda
09-07-2011, 10:31 PM
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"It's a freight train coming your way"

And it feels right this time
On his crash course with the big time
Pay no mind to the distant thunder
New Day fills his head with wonder, boy

Says it feels right this time
Turned it 'round and found the right line
“Good day to be alive, sir
Good day to be alive,” he says

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
Was just a freight train coming your way
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
Was just a freight train coming your way

Don't it feels right like this
All the pieces fall to his wish
“Suck up for that quick reward, boy
Suck up for that quick reward,” they say

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
Was just a freight train coming your way
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
Was just a freight train coming your way
It's coming your way
It's coming your wayaaay oh yeah!
Here it comes

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
Was just a freight train coming your way

Then it comes to be, yeah...

Then it comes to be, yeah...

Then it comes to be, yeah...

Then it comes to be, yeah...

Then it comes to be, yeah.

Then it comes to be, yeah...

Then it comes to be, yeah...

Then it comes to be, yeah!

Ya.....uh......Hmmmm.....ok.....wow

ICON
09-07-2011, 10:39 PM
I expect Ya.....uh......Hmmmm.....ok.....wow

Believe It or Not, Expect Big Things from the Denver Broncos in 2011

Yoda
09-07-2011, 10:48 PM
I never said they weren't improved. How much, remains to be seen. But it appears alot of Denver fans believe the Raiders will just roll over.

Ugly Duck
09-07-2011, 10:48 PM
Denver's OL was spanked twice last year by the Raiders DL.

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/1091/asdfsdffds.gif

SoCalBronco
09-07-2011, 11:05 PM
It's going to be interesting to see how we go about stopping the run. Obviously, alot will turn on whether Bunkley is available. But even if he is available, I would still expect alot of 8 man boxes with Cov 1 or Cov 3 behind it. I think Dumervil has improved tremendously as a run stuffer from what we've seen in the preseason. I'd expect to see some run blitzes as well targetting the holes the Raiders like to run to based on down and distance tendencies. If Boss is out that would be huge for Denver, since even Woodyard has had trouble covering TE's and none of the LB's starting in this game would be a good matchup against him.

I know Oakland is going to run right up the middle, right at our DT's. Wouldn't be surprised to see Fox use some wrinkles within his eight man fronts to counter this, like covering both guards as well as the center in a 46 type alignment to cut down on the inside run and force them to run outside, instead. At least that would kind of mask the DT issue. I'd be really surprised if we're using alot of two safety high coverages like 2, 2 man or Quarters in this game, unless its obvious pass situations.

Sassy
09-07-2011, 11:08 PM
Throw it all out the window...
Hogan and Sass are UNDEFEATED in DENVER...for the past 6 years...and this is lucky "7". That is all !

Are ya ready for some football! We'll be in the stands on Monday Night for Omane Weekend!

yerner
09-07-2011, 11:11 PM
I say Von Miller rips off Campbells arm and shoves it up his ass. Broncos win big.

Yoda
09-08-2011, 12:21 AM
I say Von Miller rips off Campbells arm and shoves it up his ass. Broncos win big.

Ya, ok.......

errand
09-08-2011, 06:06 AM
Reasonable take, but Kyle Orton's career rides on this game, and adding that to the utter fail of last year's game, the Broncos will manage a win.

So you're claiming that kyle orton will save his career by pulling out a win..... that's odd considering you don't think Orton can rise to any occasion....

55CrushEm
09-08-2011, 06:55 AM
Richard Seymour has looked even more unblockable than ever so far this year

Yeah, but Clady is 100% now......and last I knew, he doensn't have any dreadlocks for Seymour to pull on.

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 07:17 AM
I think it comes down to can Hue Jackson out coach John Fox.

I don't think Denver has shown everything in the PS, I will be watching for a wrinkle that Denver throws at the butt-pirates and we bring home the win.

We don't have mCd holding back this team anymore, I think Fox will be patient and our run D will be alot better than it was last year.

I am looking for Denver to win in the 20-13 range. I think Fox will find a way to stop the run and keep pressure on Campbell.

Raiders haven't shown anything on offense.( Al Saunders will be a tremendous addition to the passsing game- watch the new wrinkles he creates) Your going to have to score alot more than 20 points to have a chance in this game.

The Broncos pass rush you have to take serious but Raiders have alot of things they can do to neutralize it. Extra TE whether thats R Gordon or OT Bruce campbell . Bronco pressure dosen't get there you will have alot of mismatches to deal with.

eddie mac
09-08-2011, 07:18 AM
The timing of this game is a ****ing joke. 3-30am UK time, dont think so.

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 07:23 AM
Yeah, but Clady is 100% now......and last I knew, he doensn't have any dreadlocks for Seymour to pull on.

Seymour dosen't play DE, just like last year hes a DT. Clady will be seeing Matt Shaughnessy and K Wimbley(on passing downs) .
The broncos Interior oline going to have to do a better job of controling Raiders DT's. Tom Kelly and Big Seymour dominated denver offenseline last year. That worse news for Broncos if both are getting pressure in K Orton face- more chance he makes mistake.

Peoples Champ
09-08-2011, 07:33 AM
Flip the scores and you are dead on. Raiders aren't close to the same team that rolled the Broncos. I agree it will be lower scoring and close just think Denver defense makes one more stop.




Good point, broncos have improved, Raiders have declined

montrose
09-08-2011, 07:33 AM
I'm expecting the Broncos to get screened to death in this game, they've yet to show they can stop it for about five years including this preseason. I think Oakland runs the ball with good success, screens to slow down the pass rush and puts up somewhere in the 30-point range. I like Fox to try to run the ball but the Oakland DL to dominate the Broncos OL, taking the Broncos run game away and forcing Orton to make throws under pressure - creating several 3-and-outs and a few turnovers. Orton moves the O in garbage time to pad the stats a bit, but game's out of reach by then. I don't see either team being a great one this year but I'll take Oakland Monday Night in convincing fashion in front of tons of Raiders Fans at Sports Authority Field at Mile High.

Oakland 34, Denver 17

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 07:36 AM
Good point, broncos have improved, Raiders have declined

Just because you perceive that to be the case, dosen't mean it is correct. This Raider offense should be way way more explosive than the 2010 version.

hambone13
09-08-2011, 07:43 AM
This is an amazingly civil and entertaining thread. It's baffling that a Raiders fan started it. Rep Yoda, very classy given the fan base you choose to surround yourself with. Your OP is spot on. I'm terrified of any team that can run the ball. I can't make a call on this one. It's going to be tight.

Hogan11
09-08-2011, 07:47 AM
The one down is Montrose and I are going to the game.

Will you guys be stopping by the tailgate then? Orange hair and all?

:haw!:

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 07:48 AM
Oakland scored a league-low three touchdowns in their four exhibition games and that is the year 2011

Lets see Raiders didn't have some of there most explosive weapons either ( D Mcfadden, Taiwan Jones- missed the first couple, jacoby Ford, Louis Murphy, Chaz Schilens, and Kevin Boss. You add those guys to the offense and your talking about a whole diffrent offrense. This Raider offense going to be tough to neutralize.

broncogary
09-08-2011, 07:49 AM
This is an amazingly civil and entertaining thread. It's baffling that a Raiders fan started it. Rep Yoda, very classy given the fan base you choose to surround yourself with. Your OP is spot on. I'm terrified of any team that can run the ball. I can't make a call on this one. It's going to be tight.

And he's pretty good-looking for a Raiders fan, too. ;D

fontaine
09-08-2011, 07:54 AM
Bunkley/Thomas aren't 100% and we've got guys like Unrein (WTF?) and Vickerson in there along with Woodyard, and false step Joe Mays.

The Raiders will load up on their jumbo package and run all over this D.

A couple of big plays to our WRs (no Nnamdi) will be the gamebreakers for us though so I expect it to be close but we'll win out.

Kaylore
09-08-2011, 07:57 AM
Will you guys be stopping by the tailgate then? Orange hair and all?

:haw!:

Sure...Sans the orange hair. ;D

Seriously what time are you guys starting? I'd like to get down a bit early and get decent parking...

jhns
09-08-2011, 07:57 AM
Silly raiders fans actually think they have a shot. How cute.

Someone should inform them that Elway is back.

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 08:09 AM
Silly raiders fans actually think they have a shot. How cute.

Someone should inform them that Elway is back.
I don't believe in the tooth fairy.;

IF Im Hue Jacksopn and AL saunders . Here is the lineup I beat the Broncos to a pulp with. LT Veldheer , Wisniewski, Satele, Carlisle and Khalif Barnes. I use OT Bruce campbell as extra TE right next to Veldheer) GO right at doom and Gloom(whatever you call Miller) Both will not only pound them in the running game but lets see either get close to the QB.
Break the Bronco heart and will right from the start . When they realize neither are the gamechanger Bronco fans are hoping for.

Rascal
09-08-2011, 08:09 AM
I was reading that the raiders were having problems with their o-line this offseason. If the raiders have to pass to win this game is over. I like Campbell to improve this year, but I don't think their tackles are good enough to block Doom-Von.

Raiders strength is running and defending the run. Therefore, I expect Denver on offense to attack the edges, screens, and pass plays. If Orton plays as he should I expect him to have a big game. Raiders pass rush doesn't concern me much.

It all depends on how Denver's rush D performs. If they are able to keep them below 120 yards, then Denver wins. If not, Raiders pull it out. I think Mays is key here, and with his tendency to lower his head and charge full ahead I expect McFadden/Co to make him miss and get some big runs. And with DJ likely being out or at least limited I expect the raiders to exploit the undersized/inexperienced Woodyard.

Therefore, 24-17...Raiders :bag:

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 08:15 AM
Bunkley/Thomas aren't 100% and we've got guys like Unrein (WTF?) and Vickerson in there along with Woodyard, and false step Joe Mays.

The Raiders will load up on their jumbo package and run all over this D.

A couple of big plays to our WRs (no Nnamdi) will be the gamebreakers for us though so I expect it to be close but we'll win out.

N Asomugha didn't play in the3 second matchup. So I don't know what benefit your getting from no N Asomughga. Maybe it will hurt the raiders down the road but they already proved against the Broncos they can play without him.

jhns
09-08-2011, 08:22 AM
I don't believe in the tooth fairy.;

IF Im Hue Jacksopn and AL saunders . Here is the lineup I beat the Broncos to a pulp with. LT Veldheer , Wisniewski, Satele, Carlisle and Khalif Barnes. I use OT Bruce campbell as extra TE right next to Veldheer) GO right at doom and Gloom(whatever you call Miller) Both will not only pound them in the running game but lets see either get close to the QB.
Break the Bronco heart and will right from the start . When they realize neither are the gamechanger Bronco fans are hoping for.

If I was making the game plan for the Broncos, I would have all the players make their daughters play in their place so we only beat the turds by a few TDs. We don't want your team to forfeit the next game and skip a second ass pounding.

Old Dude
09-08-2011, 08:24 AM
He has been lined up in the middle because he us hands down the best DT on the team. Denver's OL was spanked twice last year by the Raiders DL. I expect more of the same.

But maybe not.

Clady was only half-there last season due to the off-season injury. He went from being a dominant pro-bowl caliber LT to an erratic player in one season. From what we've seen in the preseason, he seems to be back in form. I'm anxious to see if that's true over the course of a full game.

One of Denver's biggest problems last year was starting two rookies on the interior line. Walton made a boatload of mistakes. Beadles never seemed to settle in, partly because because he was getting flip-flopped between G & RT. Most offensive linemen make their biggest career improvement after their rookie season. Walton seems to have definitely improved. Not so sure about Beadles. But again, I'm anxious to see how they perform in a full game. I do not think that you'll see nearly as many of the same glaring errors as last year. I'm not saying that these guys have reached a point of dominance. Not by any stretch of the imagination. But I think they should have achieved a certain point of competence. We'll see.

Kuper at RG, who was also dinged up last year, seems to be playing better.

Franklin at RT will also be an interesting guy to watch. Over the past few years, at least when Harris was healthy, the team got some decent pass-blocking out of the RT - but had trouble running the ball on that side, even when a TE was assigned to help. There have been times in preseason when Franklin has looked like a real road-grader over there. His pass-blocking needs improvement. I'm sure he's going to make his share of rookie mistakes, but I don't see him being quite as ineffective as a rookie as Walton and Beadles were for most of last year.

Bottom line is that the early indications are that this is a substantially improved offensive line - especially when it comes to run blocking. (I admit that may not be saying much since last year's edition was so bad.)

I'm not really sure what to expect out of Denver's run defense. As I recall, this team had trouble stopping runs in the middle, but it was on the perimeter where we really got murdered, and a lot of that had to do with a lack of gap discipline, raw speed and pursuit. The defense seems to be a lot faster and more energized, top to bottom, so again ... I'm anxious to see how they perform.

Should be a really good test for both teams.

Hogan11
09-08-2011, 08:26 AM
Sure...Sans the orange hair. ;D

Seriously what time are you guys starting? I'd like to get down a bit early and get decent parking...

Keep an eye on the tailgating thread, lots open @ 2 PM I guess....still a lotta stuff up in the air, but things will get settled in plenty of time I'm sure.

Someone must have your contact info from last time, I'll ask around after arrival and have whomever keep you in the loop.

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 08:27 AM
I was reading that the raiders were having problems with their o-line this offseason. If the raiders have to pass to win this game is over. I like Campbell to improve this year, but I don't think their tackles are good enough to block Doom-Von.

Raiders strength is running and defending the run. Therefore, I expect Denver on offense to attack the edges, screens, and pass plays. If Orton plays as he should I expect him to have a big game. Raiders pass rush doesn't concern me much.

It all depends on how Denver's rush D performs. If they are able to keep them below 120 yards, then Denver wins. If not, Raiders pull it out. I think Mays is key here, and with his tendency to lower his head and charge full ahead I expect McFadden/Co to make him miss and get some big runs. And with DJ likely being out or at least limited I expect the raiders to exploit the undersized/inexperienced Woodyard.

Therefore, 24-17...Raiders :bag:

Raiders olineman way down the depth chart and no longer on the roster were having problems. Not the front line guys. IF not for injury there was a good chance both Bruce Campbell and S Heyer would be starting on the oline.(might real soon down the rd)

Again when you miss a Darren Mcfadden(didn't play in one preseason) jacoby Ford, Louis Murphy, Chaz Schilens , taiwan Jones (one game) and Kevin Boss thats alot of top players that didn't play this preseason

Your wrong about Doom, and Von Miller. Raiders will just keep a TE( R Gordon OR OT Bruce Campbell(extra TE) and believe me that will take those two out of the equation. Both are giving up alot of size in the running game.

You have to be worried about raiders pass rush. Bronco interior of oline couldn't block Seymour and Kelly. IF they can't do it again Broncos are going to have major trouble running or passing on the Raiders. Orton seems to get rattled when pressure comes up the middle.

Raiders by movement are going to force the matchupsa they want in the passing game.

theAPAOps5
09-08-2011, 08:36 AM
Raiders olineman way down the depth chart and no longer on the roster were having problems. Not the front line guys. IF not for injury there was a good chance both Bruce Campbell and S Heyer would be starting on the oline.(might real soon down the rd)

Again when you miss a Darren Mcfadden(didn't play in one preseason) jacoby Ford, Louis Murphy, Chaz Schilens , taiwan Jones (one game) and Kevin Boss thats alot of top players that didn't play this preseason

Your wrong about Doom, and Von Miller. Raiders will just keep a TE( R Gordon OR OT Bruce Campbell(extra TE) and believe me that will take those two out of the equation. Both are giving up alot of size in the running game.

You have to be worried about raiders pass rush. Bronco interior of oline couldn't block Seymour and Kelly. IF they can't do it again Broncos are going to have major trouble running or passing on the Raiders. Orton seems to get rattled when pressure comes up the middle.

Raiders by movement are going to force the matchupsa they want in the passing game.

You have no clue what is coming

Archer81
09-08-2011, 08:39 AM
You have no clue what is coming


He really doesnt. A TE on Doom or Miller...Ha!


:Broncos:

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 08:39 AM
But maybe not.

Clady was only half-there last season due to the off-season injury. He went from being a dominant pro-bowl caliber LT to an erratic player in one season. From what we've seen in the preseason, he seems to be back in form. I'm anxious to see if that's true over the course of a full game.

One of Denver's biggest problems last year was starting two rookies on the interior line. Walton made a boatload of mistakes. Beadles never seemed to settle in, partly because because he was getting flip-flopped between G & RT. Most offensive linemen make their biggest career improvement after their rookie season. Walton seems to have definitely improved. Not so sure about Beadles. But again, I'm anxious to see how they perform in a full game. I do not think that you'll see nearly as many of the same glaring errors as last year. I'm not saying that these guys have reached a point of dominance. Not by any stretch of the imagination. But I think they should have achieved a certain point of competence. We'll see.

Kuper at RG, who was also dinged up last year, seems to be playing better.

Franklin at RT will also be an interesting guy to watch. Over the past few years, at least when Harris was healthy, the team got some decent pass-blocking out of the RT - but had trouble running the ball on that side, even when a TE was assigned to help. There have been times in preseason when Franklin has looked like a real road-grader over there. His pass-blocking needs improvement. I'm sure he's going to make his share of rookie mistakes, but I don't see him being quite as ineffective as a rookie as Walton and Beadles were for most of last year.

Bottom line is that the early indications are that this is a substantially improved offensive line - especially when it comes to run blocking. (I admit that may not be saying much since last year's edition was so bad.)

I'm not really sure what to expect out of Denver's run defense. As I recall, this team had trouble stopping runs in the middle, but it was on the perimeter where we really got murdered, and a lot of that had to do with a lack of gap discipline, raw speed and pursuit. The defense seems to be a lot faster and more energized, top to bottom, so again ... I'm anxious to see how they perform.

Should be a really good test for both teams.

I will give you clady at LT on Shaughnessy in pass protection. But the raiders strength is both de's Lamaar Houston and matt Shaughnessy are two of the best De's defending against the run. I don't see Clady controlling him in the running game. OR Franklin controling Houston- thats there strength. When raiders bring in T Scott or Jarvis moss as pass rushing specialist how will Franklin hold up.

Raiders DT are where the bropncos are going to have the most problem dealing with. Both Control the Line and get instant penetration. Than its going to make it hard for Bronco offense to be sucessful.

THe raw speed raiders have in Mcfadden, jacoby Jones and taiwan Jones can make the fastest players look like they arec playing in slow motion.

TheReverend
09-08-2011, 08:41 AM
I will give you clady at LT on Shaughnessy in pass protection. But the raiders strength is both de's Lamaar Houston and matt Shaughnessy are two of the best De's defending against the run. I don't see Clady controlling him in the running game. OR Franklin controling Houston- thats there strength. When raiders bring in T Scott or Jarvis moss as pass rushing specialist how will Franklin hold up.

Raiders DT are where the bropncos are going to have the most problem dealing with. Both Control the Line and get instant penetration. Than its going to make it hard for Bronco offense to be sucessful.

THe raw speed raiders have in Mcfadden, jacoby Jones and taiwan Jones can make the fastest players look like they arec playing in slow motion.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Archer81
09-08-2011, 08:42 AM
Jarvis moss as pass rushing specialist


This is where I stopped reading.



:Broncos:

Steve Sewell
09-08-2011, 08:45 AM
My prediction:

Mile High will be CRAZY loud.

The Raiders decide to go to their roots and "keep it real" and rack up double digit penalties, including several personal fouls.

Broncos jump to a 14-0 lead in the first quarter, one of those scores is off a short field from an early turnover by the Raiders.

Oakland is forced to play catch up with the passing game and gets schooled by Von Miller and Elvis Dumerville.

Final Score: Broncos 31, Chokeland 14.

Spider
09-08-2011, 08:45 AM
I will give you clady at LT on Shaughnessy in pass protection. But the raiders strength is both de's Lamaar Houston and matt Shaughnessy are two of the best De's defending against the run. I don't see Clady controlling him in the running game. OR Franklin controling Houston- thats there strength. When raiders bring in T Scott or Jarvis moss as pass rushing specialist how will Franklin hold up.

Raiders DT are where the bropncos are going to have the most problem dealing with. Both Control the Line and get instant penetration. Than its going to make it hard for Bronco offense to be sucessful.

THe raw speed raiders have in Mcfadden, jacoby Jones and taiwan Jones can make the fastest players look like they arec playing in slow motion.
:rofl: did you just call Javis Moss a pass rush specialist ?

Kaylore
09-08-2011, 08:46 AM
I know Jarvis Moss, and in Denver we know pass rush specialists.

Jarvis Moss, you sir are no pass rush specialist.

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 08:46 AM
He really doesnt. A TE on Doom or Miller...Ha!


:Broncos:

R Gordon 6'4 265. Played as extra Olineman when university of Miami went to unbalanced Olines. That is his speciality blocking. . You don't like that they just put OT Bruce campbell 6'7 315 36 1/2 wingspan and use him as extra TE. Let see get through that.

Joe barksdale who raiders backup RT owned V Miller in College. (so I think your overrating V miller just a little bit)

Archer81
09-08-2011, 08:49 AM
Your wrong about Doom, and Von Miller. Raiders will just keep a TE( R Gordon OR OT Bruce Campbell(extra TE) and believe me that will take those two out of the equation. Both are giving up alot of size in the running game.



http://tinyurl.com/44ocr9r


:Broncos:

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 08:50 AM
I know Jarvis Moss, and in Denver we know pass rush specialists.

Jarvis Moss, you sir are no pass rush specialist.

Again for the Bronco he wasn't. He just another guy with The K wimbley, T Scott and Jarvis moss that they will use to rush the passer

I say combination of K Wimbley and T scott/J Moss get to the QB more than Doom and V Miller. .

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 08:51 AM
My prediction:

Mile High will be CRAZY loud.

The Raiders decide to go to their roots and "keep it real" and rack up double digit penalties, including several personal fouls.

Broncos jump to a 14-0 lead in the first quarter, one of those scores is off a short field from an early turnover by the Raiders.

Oakland is forced to play catch up with the passing game and gets schooled by Von Miller and Elvis Dumerville.

Final Score: Broncos 31, Chokeland 14.

Wake up . It dangerous to sleep walk. Joe Barksdale says Hello Von Miller.

Archer81
09-08-2011, 08:52 AM
R Gordon 6'4 265. Played as extra Olineman when university of Miami went to unbalanced Olines. That is his speciality blocking. . You don't like that they just put OT Bruce campbell 6'7 315 36 1/2 wingspan and use him as extra TE. Let see get through that.

Joe barksdale who raiders backup RT owned V Miller in College. (so I think your overrating V miller just a little bit)


Ooh...I hope we dont have to face a backup...the horror.

Quite honestly you are the prime example of raider fandom. Moss is a pass rush specialist...lolwut.

:Broncos:

Archer81
09-08-2011, 08:55 AM
Wake up . It dangerous to sleep walk. Joe Barksdale says Hello Von Miller.


http://tinyurl.com/296fjbw



:Broncos:

TheReverend
09-08-2011, 08:55 AM
R Gordon 6'4 265. Played as extra Olineman when university of Miami went to unbalanced Olines. That is his speciality blocking. . You don't like that they just put OT Bruce campbell 6'7 315 36 1/2 wingspan and use him as extra TE. Let see get through that.

Joe barksdale who raiders backup RT owned V Miller in College. (so I think your overrating V miller just a little bit)

I hope other Raider fans are appropriately embarrassed by you in this thread.

Steve Sewell
09-08-2011, 08:58 AM
When raiders bring in T Scott or Jarvis moss as pass rushing specialist how will Franklin hold up.


You lost me there, bro.

Steve Sewell
09-08-2011, 09:01 AM
Also, I seem to remember a few years ago when everyone was all over the Raiders nuts, and the Broncos flat out PUNKED them IN CHOKELAND in the season opener.

pricejj
09-08-2011, 09:03 AM
BRING IT

Steve Sewell
09-08-2011, 09:03 AM
BRING IT

Haha arm tackling Tebow. Child, please.

TheReverend
09-08-2011, 09:04 AM
Joe barksdale who raiders backup RT owned V Miller in College. (so I think your overrating V miller just a little bit)

Haha, I was so busy laughing at your absurd first paragraph that I totally missed this gem of idiocy.

Did you watch the matchup or just running off what you heard from some ****ty Raider fan on some ****ty Raider message board?

I'll bet it's the latter...

Anyway, here ya go:

<iframe width="420" height="345" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/r4xufNIWdcs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 09:04 AM
Ooh...I hope we dont have to face a backup...the horror.

Quite honestly you are the prime example of raider fandom. Moss is a pass rush specialist...lolwut.

:Broncos:

The point being if he got dominated by a backup whats his chances against a frontline starter. So V miller had three sacks in the preseason and that makes him a passrusher Lmao . V Miller not going to run around NFL caliber tackles. He has very limited moves and will be exposed in the regular season. See A maybin who would put up sacks in the preseason and never get to the Qb when he faced a top notch NFL oliuneman. To make my point jarvis Moss had two sacks this preseason.

I say J Moss has a better chance of getting a scak than V miller moinday night.

TheReverend
09-08-2011, 09:05 AM
The point being if he got dominated by a backup whats his chances against a frontline starter. So V miller had three sacks in the preseason and that makes him a passrusher Lmao . V Miller not going to run around NFL caliber tackles. He has very limited moves and will be exposed in the regular season. See A maybin who would put up sacks in the preseason and never get to the Qb when he faced a top notch NFL oliuneman. To make my point jarvis Moss had two sacks this preseason.

I say J Moss has a better chance of getting a scak than V miller moinday night.

You are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO cute!

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 09:08 AM
Haha, I was so busy laughing at your absurd first paragraph that I totally missed this gem of idiocy.

Did you watch the matchup or just running off what you heard from some ****ty Raider fan on some ****ty Raider message board?

I'll bet it's the latter...

Anyway, here ya go:

<iframe width="420" height="345" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/r4xufNIWdcs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Tell me do you know what Joe barksdale number is. Hes 78 and he playing LT. Tell me why did V Miller play on the leftside(against the Rt) Because he couldn't do anything on Barksdale and they moved him over to the other side. Show me where he beating 78. Thanks for playing.

TheReverend
09-08-2011, 09:09 AM
Tell me do you know what Joe barksdale number is. Hes 78 and he playing LT. Tell me why did V Miller play on the leftside(against the Rt) Because he couldn't do anything on Barksdale and they moved him over to the other side. Show me where he beating 78. Thanks for playing.

You didn't watch the video... :rofl:

Archer81
09-08-2011, 09:09 AM
The point being if he got dominated by a backup whats his chances against a frontline starter. So V miller had three sacks in the preseason and that makes him a passrusher Lmao . V Miller not going to run around NFL caliber tackles. He has very limited moves and will be exposed in the regular season. See A maybin who would put up sacks in the preseason and never get to the Qb when he faced a top notch NFL oliuneman. To make my point jarvis Moss had two sacks this preseason.

I say J Moss has a better chance of getting a scak than V miller moinday night.


http://tinyurl.com/296fjbw


:Broncos:

Archer81
09-08-2011, 09:14 AM
Tell me do you know what Joe barksdale number is. Hes 78 and he playing LT. Tell me why did V Miller play on the leftside(against the Rt) Because he couldn't do anything on Barksdale and they moved him over to the other side. Show me where he beating 78. Thanks for playing.


1:37-1:40.


:Broncos:

Steve Sewell
09-08-2011, 09:14 AM
The point being if he got dominated by a backup whats his chances against a frontline starter. So V miller had three sacks in the preseason and that makes him a passrusher Lmao . V Miller not going to run around NFL caliber tackles. He has very limited moves and will be exposed in the regular season. See A maybin who would put up sacks in the preseason and never get to the Qb when he faced a top notch NFL oliuneman. To make my point jarvis Moss had two sacks this preseason.

I say J Moss has a better chance of getting a scak than V miller moinday night.

Did you go to a public school in Oakland?

Also, can't wait to bump this thread on Tuesday.

TheReverend
09-08-2011, 09:19 AM
1:37-1:40.


:Broncos:

Guy's a ****ing buffoon.

I'm more than happy to talk about some of the good things Oakland has going for them (not happy at all, actually, but you get the point), but this **** is ridiculous.

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 09:20 AM
1:37-1:40.


:Broncos:

That was the guard he beat . You want to see Barksdale stonewalling him. Again your not going to just run around OT in the pro's. You have to have more moves than that to be sucesssful. Thank God Bronco took Him instead of Marcell dareus.

TheReverend
09-08-2011, 09:22 AM
That was the guard he beat .

Holy **** you're stupid.

Spider
09-08-2011, 09:22 AM
at mark 4:10 Miller should have a forced fumble ...........

Archer81
09-08-2011, 09:22 AM
That was the guard he beat .


who happened to be wearing 78?


:Broncos:

Spider
09-08-2011, 09:25 AM
who happened to be wearing 78?


:Broncos:

hey now ....... we just now learned that Javis Moss is a pass rush specialist ...ad barksdale is a brick wall ;D

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 09:26 AM
who happened to be wearing 78?


:Broncos:

It was gpoing to be a quick out to wr and he was going out to block for him. That was the guard job to pick him up.

Archer81
09-08-2011, 09:28 AM
It was gpoing to be a quick out to wr and he was going out to block for him. That was the guard job to pick him up.


Miller is an OLB...if that were the scenario, the LT would pick up the OLB, the guard would get the DE. As the video clearly shows, 78 missed the block and Miller split the T and the G.

Are you new to football?


:Broncos:

theAPAOps5
09-08-2011, 09:29 AM
Again for the Bronco he wasn't. He just another guy with The K wimbley, T Scott and Jarvis moss that they will use to rush the passer

I say combination of K Wimbley and T scott/J Moss get to the QB more than Doom and V Miller. .

It was gpoing to be a quick out to wr and he was going out to block for him. That was the guard job to pick him up.

You embarrass your friends and family a lot by saying really stupid stuff in public don't you?

Spider
09-08-2011, 09:30 AM
It was gpoing to be a quick out to wr and he was going out to block for him. That was the guard job to pick him up.

LOL ....

TheChamp24
09-08-2011, 09:33 AM
The point being if he got dominated by a backup whats his chances against a frontline starter. So V miller had three sacks in the preseason and that makes him a passrusher Lmao . V Miller not going to run around NFL caliber tackles. He has very limited moves and will be exposed in the regular season. See A maybin who would put up sacks in the preseason and never get to the Qb when he faced a top notch NFL oliuneman. To make my point jarvis Moss had two sacks this preseason.

I say J Moss has a better chance of getting a scak than V miller moinday night.

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.ch/b/bf/Lolwutpear.jpg
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj302/ffma40/The_Fail_Is_Strong.jpg

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 09:33 AM
Did you go to a public school in Oakland?

Also, can't wait to bump this thread on Tuesday.

2:24 what did he do. Again you have to have more moves than trying to run around a olineman. This isn't college and that crap dosen't work at this level. You blew it when you didn't take Marcell Dareus.(would have been a way better choice) Hey when V miller busts out like jarvis moss, your going to look back and say wow the Bronco were really stupid for passing On Dareus.

Spider
09-08-2011, 09:35 AM
2:24 what did he do. Again you have to have more moves than trying to run around a olineman. This isn't college and that crap dosen't work at this level. You blew it when you didn't take Marcell Dareus.(would have been a way better choice) Hey when V miller busts out like jarvis moss, your going to look back and say wow the Bronco were really stupid for passing On Dareus.

Hilarious! .......... thats some good stuff right there , you should be a script writer for a show on basic cable

TheReverend
09-08-2011, 09:36 AM
It was gpoing to be a quick out to wr and he was going out to block for him. That was the guard job to pick him up.

Clearly since you're the opposite of bright, we have to use pictures to spell things out for you. I even labelled the frames since you're probably not sharp enough to read left to right :)

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/thereverend316/MillerVBarksdale.png

1. Miller has already taken his outside jab step and is currently starting to swim back inside on Barksdale

2. Full swim humiliating the buffoon

3. Barksdale tries to reach back. My only complaint is the angle doesn't show his "Oh noooooooooooo! I've been had!" face.

4. Here's the guard holding Miller in a bear hug just for kicks.

5. Boom.

L-O-L at you sir.

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 09:36 AM
You embarrass your friends and family a lot by saying really stupid stuff in public don't you?

The beating the raiders are going to put on the Broncos is going to be so more enjoyable. We will examine what Doom and V miller did against the raiders. Letys see who eating crow after this game.

theAPAOps5
09-08-2011, 09:40 AM
The beating the raiders are going to put on the Broncos is going to be so more enjoyable. We will examine what Doom and V miller did against the raiders. Letys see who eating crow after this game.

You won't be back after losing, you have said way too much stupid ass stuff to come back.

Dedhed
09-08-2011, 09:43 AM
You didn't watch the video... :rofl:

In the 2nd snap on the video, Miller blows past a stagnant Barksdale and the guard falls back to get a hand on Miller who still disrupts the play.

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 09:45 AM
You won't be back after losing, you have said way too much stupid ass stuff to come back.

LEts see What Doom and Gloom do . Both embarrass themselve monday night whose going to have egg on their face. Not me, but you.
MY proof will be on Monday night. Raiders throw the Broncos another beating how did you make me look silly. Please. LMao.

Kaylore
09-08-2011, 09:46 AM
ROFL! Let's recap:


Von Miller will be shut down by Joe Barksdale.
Joe Barksdale isn't even starting right now
They're going to play him because he "had a good game" against Von Miller.
Von Miller has no moves and just runs around guys (apparently one of the fastest first steps in the NFL is not good)
There is video evidence showing both that Joe Barksdale didn't block Von Miller while Miller was using two different moves ie NOT just running around guys.
Apparently beating Barksdale with help from the guard is LESS impressive because the guard was there.
Von Miller is going to be a bust on par with Jarvis Moss.
Except that Jarvis Moss is a pass rushing specialist.
We should have taken Dareus.


Awesome.

TheReverend
09-08-2011, 09:46 AM
In the 2nd snap on the video, Miller blows past a stagnant Barksdale and the guard falls back to get a hand on Miller who still disrupts the play.

The guy's an idiot that has yet to make a true statement.

There ARE points he could make. He could talk about their coaching staff and how they already swept the division last season etc.

PERSONALLY, I'd talk about Seymour playing on Beadles and Walton and what a ridiculous match up that is, but instead he chooses to just bull**** about things he clearly doesn't know or understand. Mind boggling.

Spider
09-08-2011, 09:47 AM
LEts see What Doom and Gloom do . Both embarrass themselve monday night whose going to have egg on their face. Not me, but you.
MY proof will be on Monday night. Raiders throw the Broncos another beating how did you make me look silly. Please. LMao.

you made yourself look silly ......... Moss pass rush specialist Hilarious!

Chris
09-08-2011, 09:47 AM
Well it was a civil discussion then someone mentioned killing to stay rich then TheRev appeared.

Spider
09-08-2011, 09:48 AM
ROFL! Let's recap:


Von Miller will be shut down by Joe Barksdale.
Joe Barksdale isn't even starting right now
They're going to play him because he "had a good game" against Von Miller.
Von Miller has no moves and just runs around guys (apparently one of the fastest first steps in the NFL is not good)
There is video evidence showing both that Joe Barksdale didn't block Von Miller while Miller was using two different moves ie NOT just running around guys.
Apparently beating Barksdale with help from the guard is LESS impressive because the guard was there.
Von Miller is going to be a bust.
We should have taken Dareus.


Awesome.

How could you forget Jarvis Moss the pass rushing specialist ? ;D

Kaylore
09-08-2011, 09:50 AM
LEts see What Doom and Gloom do . Both embarrass themselve monday night whose going to have egg on their face. Not me, but you.
MY proof will be on Monday night. Raiders throw the Broncos another beating how did you make me look silly. Please. LMao.

The only one who is making you look silly is you....and Joe Barksdale.

I love that you say we're over-estimating Von Miller, the second overall pick and you're pinning your entire argument on a late third round draft pick that isn't starting. You are aware you are doing this, yes?

Kaylore
09-08-2011, 09:51 AM
How could you forget Jarvis Moss the pass rushing specialist ? ;D

My bad. I'll add that guy in.

gyldenlove
09-08-2011, 09:54 AM
The only one who is making you look silly is you....and Joe Barksdale.

I love that you say we're over-estimating Von Miller, the second overall pick and you're pinning your entire argument on a late third round draft pick that isn't starting. You are aware you are doing this, yes?

Here is what will happen should Von Miller get shutdown by some non-starter - they will flip him and Dumervil and Dumervil will curbstomp that offensive lineman. I know it is weird to think about, but we no longer rely on pass rush coming from 1 person, we now have a duo who present very different challenges.

theAPAOps5
09-08-2011, 09:55 AM
LEts see What Doom and Gloom do . Both embarrass themselve monday night whose going to have egg on their face. Not me, but you.
MY proof will be on Monday night. Raiders throw the Broncos another beating how did you make me look silly. Please. LMao.

You aren't very good at spelling, or the use of the English language are you? Please advise us if you are in special ed because we do not like to pick on mentally challenged people.

Dedhed
09-08-2011, 09:58 AM
You aren't very good at spelling, or the use of the English language are you? Please advise us if you are in special ed because we do not like to pick on mentally challenged people.

I'm guessing he's in the 12-14 age range, but if not, he's clearly stunted in the mental capacity department.

Bob's your Information Minister
09-08-2011, 10:03 AM
This could be a blowout if the Raiders don't run the ball, but I have a feeling they will.

Raiders by a FG.

Kaylore
09-08-2011, 10:07 AM
The guy's an idiot that has yet to make a true statement.

There ARE points he could make. He could talk about their coaching staff and how they already swept the division last season etc.

PERSONALLY, I'd talk about Seymour playing on Beadles and Walton and what a ridiculous match up that is, but instead he chooses to just bull**** about things he clearly doesn't know or understand. Mind boggling.

Exactly. I can see several scenarios where the Raiders give us problems; Porous run defense, poor interior offensive line play, screens out the wazoo - there are many matchups that are a cause for concern for the Broncos. Von Miller Vs. Joe Barksdale is not among them.

Raider Bill
09-08-2011, 10:40 AM
I know Jarvis Moss, and in Denver we know pass rush specialists.

Jarvis Moss, you sir are no pass rush specialist.

Didnt you guys stand him up at LB?

We're playing him in a wide 9 technique. We actually only signed him as a stopgap because (OLB/DE) Trevor Scott was hurt

Dedhed
09-08-2011, 10:43 AM
Didnt you guys stand him up at LB?

We're playing him in a wide 9 technique. We actually only signed him as a stopgap because (OLB/DE) Trevor Scott was hurt

He was tried at both, and was an utter failure at both.

Raider Bill
09-08-2011, 10:44 AM
It's not like we're banking on him doing anything. He's a deep reserve behind Scott and Kameron Wimbley who drops down to DE on passing downs.

He played 5 games here and got a sack.. he played several several seasons there and got about 5 sacks... if he pans out it wont be the first time we got a discarded round 1 pick to reinvent his career.

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 10:54 AM
Exactly. I can see several scenarios where the Raiders give us problems; Porous run defense, poor interior offensive line play, screens out the wazoo - there are many matchups that are a cause for concern for the Broncos. Von Miller Vs. Joe Barksdale is not among them.

The point I made was whether its a TE Richard Gordon OR OT Bruce campbell(used as extra te) Raiders will give the tackle help if Von Miller or Doom give Raiders tackles a problem. There is a way to neutralize those pass rushers and make them a non factor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnMm7AcJ7RI&feature=grec_index

Joe barksdale isn't even playing in this game and Jarvis moss(who is one of their pass rushing specialist But K Wimbley, Trevor Scott are the two main guys the Broncos will be seeing. So keep reaching for the Barksdale and Moss.

Raiders come out with Bruce campbell as Extra TE next to Veldheer, Wisniewski, Satele, Carlisle and Barnes. They are going to put a hurting on the Broncos in the running game and they will neutralize Doom and Von Miller in pass protection.

Kaylore
09-08-2011, 10:54 AM
It's not like we're banking on him doing anything. He's a deep reserve behind Scott and Kameron Wimbley who drops down to DE on passing downs.

He played 5 games here and got a sack.. he played several several seasons there and got about 5 sacks... if he pans out it wont be the first time we got a discarded round 1 pick to reinvent his career.

I think we know that, and we know you guys know that. I think the problem was when numb-nuts came in here declaring him better than Von Miller. The conversation was fairly reasonable when it was Yoda's. Things got weird about three pages in.

TheReverend
09-08-2011, 10:55 AM
Didnt you guys stand him up at LB?

We're playing him in a wide 9 technique. We actually only signed him as a stopgap because (OLB/DE) Trevor Scott was hurt

That was literally what he did his first two seasons.

...and failed miserably at it.

Kaylore
09-08-2011, 10:56 AM
The point I made was whether its a TE Richard Gordon OR OT Bruce campbell(used as extra te) Raiders will give the tackle help if Von Miller or Doom give Raiders tackles a problem. There is a way to neutralize those pass rushers and make them a non factor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnMm7AcJ7RI&feature=grec_index

Joe barksdale isn't even playing in this game and Jarvis moss(who is one of their pass rushing specialist But K Wimbley, Trevor Scott are the two main guys the Broncos will be seeing. So keep reaching for the Barksdale and Moss.

Raiders come out with Bruce campbell as Extra TE next to Veldheer, Wisniewski, Satele, Carlisle and Barnes. They are going to put a hurting on the Broncos in the running game and they will neutralize Doom and Von Miller in pass protection.

::) You were the one who was talking up Barksdale and Moss, remember?

And you really believe the Raiders are just going to be in a Jumbo Package and run the ball the entire game? Are you going to run the single wing? Is it 1907?

TheReverend
09-08-2011, 10:57 AM
::)

I'm hopeful Raider Bill and Yoda get more involved in the discussion and this guy just leaves...

Raider Bill
09-08-2011, 11:01 AM
Oh OK.. I just jumped in here late.

Raider Bill
09-08-2011, 11:07 AM
Both teams need to stay out of 3rd and longs and play good run D.. I'm going to give a slight edge to the Raiders something like 27-21. I think Fox will get you guys playing better D as the year goes on, but you're not up to speed for week 1. We'll see

Spider
09-08-2011, 11:17 AM
Didnt you guys stand him up at LB?

We're playing him in a wide 9 technique. We actually only signed him as a stopgap because (OLB/DE) Trevor Scott was hurt

been there done that ... still didnt make him a pass rush specialist

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 11:18 AM
I think we know that, and we know you guys know that. I think the problem was when numb-nuts came in here declaring him better than Von Miller. The conversation was fairly reasonable when it was Yoda's. Things got weird about three pages in.

Show me where I claimed that Jarvis moss was better than Von Miller. Go ahead. All I said K Wimbley Trevor Scott and Jarvis moss are the Raiders pass rushing specialist. Which they are. Denver fans who have nothing to talk about have to make a big deal out of raiders last de on the depth chart(how pathetic is that)

Spider
09-08-2011, 11:20 AM
Show me where I claimed that Jarvis moss was better than Von Miller. Go ahead. All I said K Wimbley Trevor Scott and Jarvis moss are the Raiders pass rushing specialist. Which they are. Denver fans who have nothing to talk about have to make a big deal out of raiders last de on the depth chart(how pathetic is that)

U didnt say it in those words , but you clearly implied it , specially when you said a Backup handled Von in college .......

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 11:20 AM
been there done that ... still didnt make him a pass rush specialist

J Moss is one dimential pass rusher. Hes not an everydown DE( He can't play the run). Thats the way raiders use him. So it correct he is one of their pass rushing specialist. It really dosen't matter you don't think he is.

Spider
09-08-2011, 11:24 AM
J Moss is one dimential pass rusher. Hes not an everydown DE( He can't play the run). Thats the way raiders use him. So it correct he is one of their pass rushing specialist. It really dosen't matter you don't think he is.

:rofl: he isnt even 1 dimensional ,But thats not what you stated , you clearly stated that Clady or Franklin can not handle the pass rush specialist known as Jarvis Moss .......

oubronco
09-08-2011, 11:24 AM
J Moss is one dimential pass rusher. Hes not an everydown DE( He can't play the run). Thats the way raiders use him. So it correct he is one of their pass rushing specialist. It really dosen't matter you don't think he is.

.

Powderaddict
09-08-2011, 11:27 AM
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TheReverend
09-08-2011, 11:27 AM
J Moss is one dimential pass rusher. Hes not an everydown DE( He can't play the run). Thats the way raiders use him. So it correct he is one of their pass rushing specialist. It really dosen't matter you don't think he is.

:rofl: he isnt even 1 dimensional ,But thats not what you stated , you clearly stated that Clady or Franklin can not handle the pass rush specialist known as Jarvis Moss .......

http://www.zanyimages.com/Wedding/A%20Match%20made%20in%20heaven%20!.jpg


:)

Powderaddict
09-08-2011, 11:28 AM
Wait who called Jarvis Moss a pass rushing “specialist”? hahahaha
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<o:p>Gotta be a raiderfan :D</o:p>

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 11:31 AM
U didnt say it in those words , but you clearly implied it , specially when you said a Backup handled Von in college .......

Okay you know what i was implying. LMao How Does what barksdale did to Von miller apply to jarvis moss. (makes no sense) Jarvis Moss isn't raiders top two pass rushers. (Thats K wimbley and Trevor Scott) He is on the Raider roster for that role- pass rush specialist.

The main point for the millonth time is there are ways to neutralize pass rushers. (I gave you the Te/Extra OT helping the tackle . Screen passes and Three step drops where the Qb getting the football out. QB rolling away from the pressure. etc They can keep MCfadden (excellent blocker) whose not afraid to use his body.

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 11:35 AM
Wait who called Jarvis Moss a pass rushing “specialist”? hahahaha
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<o:p>Gotta be a raiderfan :D</o:p>

Fact is jarvis Moss is on Raiders roster because he is one of their pass rushing specilaist. M Waulfe raiders dline and ex Giants dline coach likes to have as many guys capable of rushing the Qb. You don't like it or believe it. Don't think hes any good) Thats your problem but its a fact.

Archer81
09-08-2011, 11:35 AM
It's not like we're banking on him doing anything. He's a deep reserve behind Scott and Kameron Wimbley who drops down to DE on passing downs.

He played 5 games here and got a sack.. he played several several seasons there and got about 5 sacks... if he pans out it wont be the first time we got a discarded round 1 pick to reinvent his career.


Dont defend the "Jarvis Moss is a pass rush specialist" sentence. It just encourages further ridicule.

In four years Moss has less than 10 sacks. To qualify him as a pass rush specialist is like stating a kicker is a run stuffer. It does not compute.

:Broncos:

Powderaddict
09-08-2011, 11:35 AM
The only reason Jarvis Moss is a raider is Al Davis is a senile and no other team was stupid enough to take him.

vancejohnson82
09-08-2011, 11:36 AM
33-10 Broncos

Kaylore
09-08-2011, 11:38 AM
Show me where I claimed that Jarvis moss was better than Von Miller. Go ahead.

OK

When raiders bring in T Scott or Jarvis moss as pass rushing specialist how will Franklin hold up.

V Miller not going to run around NFL caliber tackles. He has very limited moves and will be exposed in the regular season.


I say combination of K Wimbley and T scott/J Moss get to the QB more than Doom and V Miller.


I say J Moss has a better chance of getting a scak than V miller moinday night

Then you went on this rant about Joe Barksdale saying he "stone walled" Miller when he clearly couldn't handle him with guard help.

Basically your argument was Wimbley, Scott and Moss > Miller, Dumervil.
I mean that's laughable. Dumervil had more sacks in one season than Moss and Scott combined. Wimbley has played four years and amassed 36 sacks to Dumervil's 43 which factors in that Dumervil missed last season. Then you declared Miller a bust based on really no evidence whatsoever other than you think we should have taken Dareus.

Popcorn Sutton
09-08-2011, 11:42 AM
LOL

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 11:46 AM
:rofl: he isnt even 1 dimensional ,But thats not what you stated , you clearly stated that Clady or Franklin can not handle the pass rush specialist known as Jarvis Moss .......

No i said Clady i would give you in pass protection as he very good pass protector.( I don't expect Shaughnesy to beat him rushing the passer) Against the run I don't think he will be able to do nothing against Shaughnesssy(thats both of raiders Des strength- run defense)

Franklin I did say would have trouble in pass protection against raiders pass rush specialist. Whether that K wimbley(Raiders move him to De on passing downs or Trevor scott (the other guy thats there two main pass rusher. One of those guysa will be lined up against Franklin and its a clear mismatch in raiders favor. I also Listed jarvis Moss he there third pass rushing specialist. (thats the only reason hes on roster and one of the two woiuld have to get hurt for him play a more substanial role. You just see jarvis Moss and pass rushing specialist and i guess it brings back bad memories for you.

Again Raiders are carrying two guys that have one role- to rush the passer Thats trevor scott and J moss.
k Wimbley the main guy but he also plays LB. Those are all facts dosen't matter if you think the guy isn't any good.

Inkana7
09-08-2011, 11:47 AM
lolololol relying on jarvis moss lolololol

broncocalijohn
09-08-2011, 11:50 AM
I know Jarvis Moss, and in Denver we know pass rush specialists.

Jarvis Moss, you sir are no football player.


Fixed it for you. This Raiders fan thinking Moss is a pass rush specialist is a complete joke. I knew something went haywire in this thread when it hit 7 pages. Rev helping the cause of "extended thread".

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 11:51 AM
lolololol relying on jarvis moss lolololol

Broncos have to prove they can block Kelly and Seymour. If you can't it dosen't matter what Clady or Franklin do. The shortest distance is a straight line. IF those two are living in the Broncos backfield, its going to be another long night.

Popcorn Sutton
09-08-2011, 11:51 AM
Jarvis Moss 4.5 sacks in 5 years is a pass rush specialist!! He had a whopping 1 sack over the last 3 seasons...

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 11:53 AM
Fixed it for you. This Raiders fan thinking Moss is a pass rush specialist is a complete joke. I knew something went haywire in this thread when it hit 7 pages. Rev helping the cause of "extended thread".

It dosen't matter what I think. Hes on the raiders roster because he one of there(third) pass rushing specialist. That a fact that you don't have to believe but thats his only role. Stop trying to change the subject. I guess after the way the raidersa have run the ball down your throat and have severly upgraded their Rb corps(Taiwan jones). You rather talk nonsense.

Popcorn Sutton
09-08-2011, 11:56 AM
It dosen't matter what I think. Hes on the raiders roster because he one of there(third) pass rushing specialist. That a fact that you don't have to believe but thats his only role.

That doesn't mean he's any good brosef.

Raider Bill
09-08-2011, 11:57 AM
The only reason Jarvis Moss is a raider is Al Davis is a senile and no other team was stupid enough to take him.

He was signed due to a late season injury to Trevor Scott. This article is from Nov 23rd

According to what appears to be a registered Twitter account for former Denver Broncos first-round draft pick Jarvis Moss, the Raiders have their answer to Trevor Scott’s season-ending ACL injury.

A message on the registered account of JMossVsJarvis says: “So it’s official! I’m an Oakland Raider! God is good thank him.”.

http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2010/11/23/jarvis-moss-to-replace-scott/

Scott is back, but he bounced between OLB and DE, they may be looking at Scott as a hedge for Quentin Groves sucking at WLB and keeping Moss as a rotational guy/deep reserve.

It's not like we're banking on Jarvis Moss anchoring our pass rush, he's a spare.

Popcorn Sutton
09-08-2011, 11:57 AM
A specialist implies that somebody is good at something.

Raider Bill
09-08-2011, 12:00 PM
Dont defend the "Jarvis Moss is a pass rush specialist" sentence. It just encourages further ridicule.

In four years Moss has less than 10 sacks. To qualify him as a pass rush specialist is like stating a kicker is a run stuffer. It does not compute.

:Broncos:

He's not a specialist, he's a deep reserve and got a sack in the 5 games here where he got a couple of snaps. They slide Lamar Houston inside and drop Kameron Wimbley down to DE in the nickel, Scott plays DE in the dime and Moss rides pine unless one of those guys is gassed. If Mike Wauffle can't coach him up then he'll be out of here if someone better comes along. I'll give Wauffel the benefit of the doubt, he coached those dominant NYG DL's (Tuck, Osi, etc..)

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 12:01 PM
That doesn't mean he's any good brosef.

Where did i say he was. K wimbley or Trevor Scott would have to get hurt before his role(moss) would increase. One of those two will give your rookie Tackle all kinds of trouble. Your reaching for straws just because i listed him as one of raiders passing rushing specialist. That like you listing your eight olineman and Me jumping on you that the guy isn't very good. He is listed as an Olineman(fact) and won't be playing a major role in this game. So it immaterial to even harp on something like that.

Popcorn Sutton
09-08-2011, 12:07 PM
Where did i say he was. K wimbley or Trevor Scott would have to get hurt before his role(moss) would increase. One of those two will give your rookie Tackle all kinds of trouble. Your reaching for straws just because i listed him as one of raiders passing rushing specialist. That like you listing your eight olineman and Me jumping on you that the guy isn't very good. He is listed as an Olineman(fact) and won't be playing a major role in this game. So it immaterial to even harp on something like that.

I'm giving you a hard time. Saying he's a specialist implies he's good at pass rushing. He's not.

As far as Franklin, I'm sure he'll have a hard time but the Broncos can certainly roll help his way.

TheReverend
09-08-2011, 12:07 PM
Where did i say he was.

http://orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3282978&postcount=161

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 12:08 PM
A specialist implies that somebody is good at something.

No it dosen't. Moss is on this roster for one thing insurance if one of their two main pass rushers get hurt. You can never have enough guys that can get to the Qb. Thats his only role. (Fact)

Kaylore
09-08-2011, 12:08 PM
Where did i say he was. K wimbley or Trevor Scott would have to get hurt before his role(moss) would increase. One of those two will give your rookie Tackle all kinds of trouble. Your reaching for straws just because i listed him as one of raiders passing rushing specialist. That like you listing your eight olineman and Me jumping on you that the guy isn't very good. He is listed as an Olineman(fact) and won't be playing a major role in this game. So it immaterial to even harp on something like that.

Dude, you brought both Moss and Joe Whoever up. YOU!

bronco militia
09-08-2011, 12:09 PM
the 3rd pre-season game is about all you can use from the pre-season...unless of course your favorite team is the KC Chiefs ;D

Archer81
09-08-2011, 12:11 PM
He's not a specialist, he's a deep reserve and got a sack in the 5 games here where he got a couple of snaps. They slide Lamar Houston inside and drop Kameron Wimbley down to DE in the nickel, Scott plays DE in the dime and Moss rides pine unless one of those guys is gassed. If Mike Wauffle can't coach him up then he'll be out of here if someone better comes along. I'll give Wauffel the benefit of the doubt, he coached those dominant NYG DL's (Tuck, Osi, etc..)


Are you comparing Moss to Osi and Tuck?

Moss is a waste of a roster spot. 1 sack in 5 games...so in a full season you expect 3 sacks from "the specialist". If you think Oakland can somehow come up with a way to make Moss productive when Denver could not...then you are really more delusional then I originally thought.

:Broncos:

Archer81
09-08-2011, 12:11 PM
No it dosen't. Moss is on this roster for one thing insurance if one of their two main pass rushers get hurt. You can never have enough guys that can get to the Qb. Thats his only role. (Fact)


And he does not do it.

Fact.

:Broncos:

Popcorn Sutton
09-08-2011, 12:13 PM
No it dosen't. Moss is on this roster for one thing insurance if one of their two main pass rushers get hurt. You can never have enough guys that can get to the Qb. Thats his only role. (Fact)

LOL

He can't get to the QB.

bronco militia
09-08-2011, 12:14 PM
No it dosen't. Moss is on this roster for one thing insurance if one of their two main pass rushers get hurt. You can never have enough guys that can get to the Qb. Thats his only role. (Fact)

http://blackandteal.com/files/2011/05/godzilla-facepalm-godzilla-facepalm-face-palm-epic-fail-demotivational-poster-12453844351.jpg

broncocalijohn
09-08-2011, 12:21 PM
It dosen't matter what I think. Hes on the raiders roster because he one of there(third) pass rushing specialist. That a fact that you don't have to believe but thats his only role. Stop trying to change the subject. I guess after the way the raidersa have run the ball down your throat and have severly upgraded their Rb corps(Taiwan jones). You rather talk nonsense.

You could have got anyone from the Waiver Wire and he would be better than that bust. You better run it at us and score points. Actually, you better hope your two actual pass specialist do their job because bringing in Moss would have the Raiders be served better by playing 10 instead of 10 plus Moss. You lack of knowledge of Moss is what got to us. Just because Raiders list him as that doesn't mean he really is one. If you actually knew about him before putting Moss in your posts, you would have never included him in the discussion. That is the truth and not nonsense.

Popcorn Sutton
09-08-2011, 12:23 PM
Raiders looking for more pass rushers:
RavensInsider (http://twitter.com/#%21/RavensInsider) Aaron Wilson



LB Tully Banta-Cain is visiting the Raiders today, according to a league source.

broncocalijohn
09-08-2011, 12:26 PM
Raiders looking for more pass rushers:
RavensInsider (http://twitter.com/#%21/RavensInsider) Aaron Wilson



LB Tully Banta-Cain is visiting the Raiders today, according to a league source.

Raider9175 says you cant have enough of them. Of course someone needs to tell him that putting 11 of those "pass rushing specialists" on the field at the same time won't be a winning combination.

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 12:27 PM
OK









Then you went on this rant about Joe Barksdale saying he "stone walled" Miller when he clearly couldn't handle him with guard help.

Basically your argument was Wimbley, Scott and Moss > Miller, Dumervil.
I mean that's laughable. Dumervil had more sacks in one season than Moss and Scott combined. Wimbley has played four years and amassed 36 sacks to Dumervil's 43 which factors in that Dumervil missed last season. Then you declared Miller a bust based on really no evidence whatsoever other than you think we should have taken Dareus.

K Wimbley is the raiders top pass rushing specialist- 9 sacks last year.(do you agree) SO If hes one of the pass rushing specialist than either Trevor scott or J moss will be the other guy. (capiche)

So you can bet Raiders are going to put their best passrusher ( K Wimbley) on the Broncos weakest link(Franklin) T Scott or jarvis Moss will go against Clady. (probably thats not where the pressure going to come from a healthy clady that good)


Joe barksdale did handle Von Miller he stone walled him alot in the game. There is a reason why you see most of V miller rushing from the left side. (it silly to keep arguing the point as Barksdale not playing yet in this game- could be the next time)

Okay ON Dumervile - who cares what he did in 2009. How many sacks did he have in 2010. How many sacks does VOn miller have in the NFl. Raiders were the second in the NFl last year in getting to the Qb.(sacks) Raiders pressure dosen't come just from their Ends but their DTs are probably even bigger threats getting to Qb.

So you really think its going overboard that raiders dline will get more sacks than Broncos in this game. Raiders have the best Dline in the AFc West. ( afact)

Again you win in the NFl in the trenches - marcell Dareus could have been the cornerstone to build your defense around. I was high fiving when you took Miller. That just my opinion and only time will tell if im right or wrong. I breathed a big sigh of relief when you passed on that beast. Alot of Nfl people had the same opinion.

Raider Bill
09-08-2011, 12:32 PM
Are you comparing Moss to Osi and Tuck?

Moss is a waste of a roster spot. 1 sack in 5 games...so in a full season you expect 3 sacks from "the specialist". If you think Oakland can somehow come up with a way to make Moss productive when Denver could not...then you are really more delusional then I originally thought.

:Broncos:


No, I am merely defering to the opion of the DL coach that coached Osi and Tuck, if he thinks he can coach Moss up then who am I to argue?

The Raiders have historically done just what you said. Hell Kamerion Wimbley did just what you are saying I am dellusional, for believing.. guys can go to a different situation and improve, you are dellusional for discounting the possibility of it even happening.

Popcorn Sutton
09-08-2011, 12:33 PM
K Wimbley is the raiders top pass rushing specialist- 9 sacks last year.(do you agree) SO If hes one of the pass rushing specialist than either Trevor scott or J moss will be the other guy. (capiche)

So you can bet Raiders are going to put their best passrusher ( K Wimbley) on the Broncos weakest link(Franklin) T Scott or jarvis Moss will go against Clady. (probably thats not where the pressure going to come from a healthy clady that good)


Joe barksdale did handle Von Miller he stone walled him alot in the game. There is a reason why you see most of V miller rushing from the left side. (it silly to keep arguing the point as Barksdale not playing yet in this game- could be the next time)

Okay ON Dumervile - who cares what he did in 2009. How many sacks did he have in 2010. How many sacks does VOn miller have in the NFl. Raiders were the second in the NFl last year in getting to the Qb.(sacks) Raiders pressure dosen't come just from their Ends but their DTs are probably even bigger threats getting to Qb.

So you really think its going overboard that raiders dline will get more sacks than Broncos in this game.

Again you win in the NFl in the trenches - marcell Dareus could have been the cornerstone to build your defense around. I was high fiving when you took Miller. That just my opinion and only time will tell if im right or wrong. I breathed a big sigh of relief when you past on that beast. Alot of Nfl had the same oipinion.

You are making yourself look bad.

Dumervil was out with a pectoral tear in 2010.

Also, do some research on the top DT's drafted over the last 10 years and get back to me on how many become the "cornerstone" of a defense.

Powderaddict
09-08-2011, 12:36 PM
To be a pass rushing specialist you have to be able to pass rush.

Why is this so difficult to comprehend?

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 12:39 PM
Raider9175 says you cant have enough of them. Of course someone needs to tell him that putting 11 of those "pass rushing specialists" on the field at the same time won't be a winning combination.

Okay tell me Mike waulfe when he was giants Dline coach. How many pass rushers did he put out there. He had J tuck lining up at DT in obvious passing situations. Rex Ryan known to play sometimes with 1 Dlineman 4 Lbs and six Defense backs. (that what he will do if you come out with four Wr's.

The point is your not going to play with all those pass rushers when you third and short. Those players are used when its third and long. You can do so many things. You can zone blitz and one of those guys drops back in coverage.

Old Dude
09-08-2011, 12:40 PM
I think a lot of people forgot that Dumervil missed the entire 2010 season. But not around here.

Kaylore
09-08-2011, 12:41 PM
Okay ON Dumervile - who cares what he did in 2009. How many sacks did he have in 2010. How many sacks does VOn miller have in the NFl.

Wow... I have no words...
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Tombstone RJ
09-08-2011, 12:42 PM
No, I am merely defering to the opion of the DL coach that coached Osi and Tuck, if he thinks he can coach Moss up then who am I to argue?

The Raiders have historically done just what you said. Hell Kamerion Wimbley did just what you are saying I am dellusional, for believing.. guys can go to a different situation and improve, you are dellusional for discounting the possibility of it even happening.

what else is this coach going to say? "Moss just sucks, I'm not sure why the old dead guy upstairs brought him in, I mean, just because I've coached some decent talent in the past does not mean I can polish this turd into a diamond...."

Every coach thinks they can coach up a bad player. That's why they are coachs. Unfortunately the bad players almost always stay bad no matter how hard the coach tries.

bronco militia
09-08-2011, 12:43 PM
I think a lot of people forgot that Dumervil missed the entire 2010 season. But not around here.

who knew

Archer81
09-08-2011, 12:45 PM
K Wimbley is the raiders top pass rushing specialist- 9 sacks last year.(do you agree) SO If hes one of the pass rushing specialist than either Trevor scott or J moss will be the other guy. (capiche)

So you can bet Raiders are going to put their best passrusher ( K Wimbley) on the Broncos weakest link(Franklin) T Scott or jarvis Moss will go against Clady. (probably thats not where the pressure going to come from a healthy clady that good)


1. Joe barksdale did handle Von Miller he stone walled him alot in the game. There is a reason why you see most of V miller rushing from the left side. (it silly to keep arguing the point as Barksdale not playing yet in this game- could be the next time)

Okay ON Dumervile - who cares what he did in 2009. How many sacks did he have in 2010. How many sacks does VOn miller have in the NFl. 2. Raiders were the second in the NFl last year in getting to the Qb.(sacks) Raiders pressure dosen't come just from their Ends but their DTs are probably even bigger threats getting to Qb.

So you really think its going overboard that raiders dline will get more sacks than Broncos in this game. Raiders have the best Dline in the AFc West. ( afact)

Again you win in the NFl in the trenches - marcell Dareus could have been the cornerstone to build your defense around. I was high fiving when you took Miller. That just my opinion and only time will tell if im right or wrong. I breathed a big sigh of relief when you passed on that beast. 3. Alot of Nfl people had the same opinion.


1. Actually it was a push. Miller won some, Barksdale won some. But Miller is starting and Barksdale is on the bench.

2. I see. So what Miller is capable of doing and what dumervil HAS done is somehow not valid to the discussion, but what the faiders did LAST year is somehow more relevant? Is it a mandate that all raider fans get a fail in logic?

3. Alot of NFL people considered JaMarcus Russell a sure fire probowler/all star, too.

:Broncos:

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 12:47 PM
You are making yourself look bad.

Dumervil was out with a pectoral tear in 2010.

Also, do some research on the top DT's drafted over the last 10 years and get back to me on how many become the "cornerstone" of a defense.
I know Dumervil was out with that injury. Whose to say hes ever going to be the same again. Thats like saying Peyton manning is one of the NFl best Qb still- does that apply to 2011 . Basically all you can go on is what have you done for me lately.

Warren sapp wasn't a cornerstone of Tampabay Defense.How about Suh in Detriot hes not a cornerstone of a defense. How about R Seymour he hasn't taken raiders dline to another level. Kris Jenkins when healthy was a beast who coulsd stop another teams rushing atack all by himself.

bronco militia
09-08-2011, 12:48 PM
Could Raider9175 be baja? ;D

Archer81
09-08-2011, 12:50 PM
Okay tell me Mike waulfe when he was giants Dline coach. How many pass rushers did he put out there. He had J tuck lining up at DT in obvious passing situations. Rex Ryan known to play sometimes with 1 Dlineman 4 Lbs and six Defense backs. (that what he will do if you come out with four Wr's.

The point is your not going to play with all those pass rushers when you third and short. Those players are used when its third and long. You can do so many things. You can zone blitz and one of those guys drops back in coverage.


Oh...good...God...


:Broncos:

Steve Sewell
09-08-2011, 12:50 PM
No i said Clady i would give you in pass protection as he very good pass protector.( I don't expect Shaughnesy to beat him rushing the passer) Against the run I don't think he will be able to do nothing against Shaughnesssy(thats both of raiders Des strength- run defense)

Franklin I did say would have trouble in pass protection against raiders pass rush specialist. Whether that K wimbley(Raiders move him to De on passing downs or Trevor scott (the other guy thats there two main pass rusher. One of those guysa will be lined up against Franklin and its a clear mismatch in raiders favor. I also Listed jarvis Moss he there third pass rushing specialist. (thats the only reason hes on roster and one of the two woiuld have to get hurt for him play a more substanial role. You just see jarvis Moss and pass rushing specialist and i guess it brings back bad memories for you.

Again Raiders are carrying two guys that have one role- to rush the passer Thats trevor scott and J moss.
k Wimbley the main guy but he also plays LB. Those are all facts dosen't matter if you think the guy isn't any good.

I also think you said that Jarvis Moss has a better chance of getting a sack in this game than Von Miller.

C'mon man. You never go full retard!

Popcorn Sutton
09-08-2011, 12:51 PM
I know Dumervil was out with that injury. Whose to say hes ever going to be the same again. Thats like saying Peyton manning is one of the NFl best Qb still- does that apply to 2011 . Basically all you can go on is what have you done for me lately.

Warren sapp wasn't a cornerstone of Tampabay Defense.How about Suh in Detriot hes not a cornerstone of a defense. How about R Seymour he hasn't taken raiders dline to another level. Kris Jenkins when healthy was a beast who coulsd stop another teams rushing atack all by himself.

I said last 10 years (Sapp). Suh is the only one and I got news for you. If Suh was there this year the Broncos would have taken him. Dareus is NOT Suh.

Your Dumervil argument is silly. He's healthy and playing. Manning isn't.

Tombstone RJ
09-08-2011, 12:52 PM
I know Dumervil was out with that injury. 1. Whose to say hes ever going to be the same again. Thats like saying Peyton manning is one of the NFl best Qb still- does that apply to 2011 . Basically all you can go on is what have you done for me lately.

2. Warren sapp wasn't a cornerstone of Tampabay Defense.How about Suh in Detriot hes not a cornerstone of a defense. How about R Seymour he hasn't taken raiders dline to another level. Kris Jenkins when healthy was a beast who coulsd stop another teams rushing atack all by himself.

1. Well the preseason tape sure looks good on Doom, but you're correct, the real season does not start until Monday night.

2. We'll just agree to disagree. Big time dline talent is a cornerstone of all great defenses.

Archer81
09-08-2011, 12:54 PM
I know Dumervil was out with that injury. Whose to say hes ever going to be the same again. Thats like saying Peyton manning is one of the NFl best Qb still- does that apply to 2011 . Basically all you can go on is what have you done for me lately.

Warren sapp wasn't a cornerstone of Tampabay Defense.How about Suh in Detriot hes not a cornerstone of a defense. How about R Seymour he hasn't taken raiders dline to another level. Kris Jenkins when healthy was a beast who coulsd stop another teams rushing atack all by himself.


For every Sapp or Suh how many 1st round DT's bust. That is what he was asking.

English. Do you speak it?

:Broncos:

Kaylore
09-08-2011, 12:54 PM
I know Dumervil was out with that injury.

No you didn't, you lying idiot.

Popcorn Sutton
09-08-2011, 12:55 PM
No you didn't, you lying idiot.

Hilarious!

Steve Sewell
09-08-2011, 12:58 PM
No you didn't, you lying idiot.

The guy probably has trouble figuring out how to tie his shoes in the morning. Give him a break!

Bob's your Information Minister
09-08-2011, 12:58 PM
On anther note, considering their wretched offensive tackles, the Raiders could not have drawn a worse matchup in Week 1.

Br0nc0Buster
09-08-2011, 01:07 PM
Hmm so Fox and co. need to gameplan to stop a backup RT, a tight end named Gordon, and the "pass rush specialist" Jarvis Moss?

I hope Clady is on his game to contain that beast

TheReverend
09-08-2011, 01:11 PM
No you didn't, you lying idiot.

How come no one whines when you do it? Ha!

TheChamp24
09-08-2011, 01:12 PM
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Raider9175
09-08-2011, 01:14 PM
1. Actually it was a push. Miller won some, Barksdale won some. But Miller is starting and Barksdale is on the bench.

2. I see. So what Miller is capable of doing and what dumervil HAS done is somehow not valid to the discussion, but what the faiders did LAST year is somehow more relevant? Is it a mandate that all raider fans get a fail in logic?

3. Alot of NFL people considered JaMarcus Russell a sure fire probowler/all star, too.

:Broncos:

1 Stop harping on Barksdale as he not even playing.

2 SO many college pass rushers that were big sucess in college were bust in the NFL. V gholston, J Moss etc, . It dosen't matter what you did in college. Have to do it in the pros before you can say a player is going to be sucessful. (thats my point on Von Miller) We just don't know.

Now on Dumervil when your coming off major injury there is always question if the Player can ever get back to his previous level. Will he ever approach 2009 level. That could have been his career year he will never approach again.

All we can judge a player on what they did last year. Raiders were the second in the Nfl in sacks. Now Denver- One guy was injured and one guy hasn't played a snap yet in the NFl. What wrong with that logic????????

Yes just proves my point we have to wait to see with these college players. Once someone gets paid some players are satisfied and don't try to become the best they can be. Who knows if there was a rookie salary cap if Russell career would have turned out diffrent.

Popcorn Sutton
09-08-2011, 01:16 PM
1 Stop harping on Barksdale as he not even playing.

2 SO many college pass rushers that were big sucess in college were bust in the NFL. V gholston, J Moss etc, . It dosen't matter what you did in college. Have to do it in the pros before you can say a player is going to be sucessful. (thats my point on Von Miller) We just don't know.

Now on Dumervil when your coming off major injury there is always question if the Player can ever get back to his previous level. Will he ever approach 2009 level. That could have been his career year he will never approach again.

All we can judge a player on what they did last year. Raiders were the second in the Nfl in sacks. Now Denver- One guy was injured and one guy hasn't played a snap yet in the NFl. What wrong with that logic????????

Yes just proves my point we have to wait to see with these college players. Once someone gets paid some players are satisfied and don't try to become the best they can be. Who knows if there was a rookie salary cap if Russell career would have turned out diffrent.

/End thread

cutthemdown
09-08-2011, 01:22 PM
I scoff at the notion a torn pec could make a player never the same again. It's a muscle and it will hear 100%. Broken leg or acl tear maybe, but a torn pectoral muscle? Raider fans are dreaming. Doom is going to get a sack Monday night.

cutthemdown
09-08-2011, 01:24 PM
1 Stop harping on Barksdale as he not even playing.

2 SO many college pass rushers that were big sucess in college were bust in the NFL. V gholston, J Moss etc, . It dosen't matter what you did in college. Have to do it in the pros before you can say a player is going to be sucessful. (thats my point on Von Miller) We just don't know.

Now on Dumervil when your coming off major injury there is always question if the Player can ever get back to his previous level. Will he ever approach 2009 level. That could have been his career year he will never approach again.

All we can judge a player on what they did last year. Raiders were the second in the Nfl in sacks. Now Denver- One guy was injured and one guy hasn't played a snap yet in the NFl. What wrong with that logic????????

Yes just proves my point we have to wait to see with these college players. Once someone gets paid some players are satisfied and don't try to become the best they can be. Who knows if there was a rookie salary cap if Russell career would have turned out diffrent.

Miller is just a special player. You will find out the hard way on Monday night because your RT situation is a complete mess.

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 01:24 PM
Hmm so Fox and co. need to gameplan to stop a backup RT, a tight end named Gordon, and the "pass rush specialist" Jarvis Moss?

I hope Clady is on his game to contain that beast

No The raiders would be one game planning to account for Dumervile or Von Miller if they prove to give their tackles trouble rushing the passer. (thats where either the TE or the OT come in) They neutralize both and so many areas open up as raiders have so many mismatches to exploit in the passing game. Have you ever heard of the football term Maximum protection.

Here is the players the Broncos better be concerned with 1 darren MCfadden 2 Jacoby Ford 3 Taiwan jones 4 Denarius Moore 5 Marcel reece .

There is no way the Broncos are stopping this raiders offense. Again there only chance is to limit the Raiders to Fieldgoals, instead of Tds.

Spider
09-08-2011, 01:25 PM
I scoff at the notion a torn pec could make a player never the same again. It's a muscle and it will hear 100%. Broken leg or acl tear maybe, but a torn pectoral muscle? Raider fans are dreaming. Doom is going to get a sack Monday night.

well even if it does heal heal up he is no Pass rushing specialist like J.Moss is ROFL!

Spider
09-08-2011, 01:26 PM
Hmm so Fox and co. need to gameplan to stop a backup RT, a tight end named Gordon, and the "pass rush specialist" Jarvis Moss?

I hope Clady is on his game to contain that beast

Clady doesnt stand a chance ........ :wave:

Popcorn Sutton
09-08-2011, 01:29 PM
No The raiders would be one game planning to account for Dumervile or Von Miller if they prove to give their tackles trouble rushing the passer. (thats where either the TE or the OT come in) They neutralize both and so many areas open up as raiders have so many mismatches to exploit in the passing game. Have you ever heard of the football term Maximum protection.

Here is the players the Broncos better be concerned with 1 darren MCfadden 2 Jacoby Ford 3 Taiwan jones 4 Denarius Moore 5 Marcel reece .

There is no way the Broncos are stopping this raiders offense. Again there only chance is to limit the Raiders to Fieldgoals, instead of Tds.

Says the guy who thinks the Raiders vaunted DE's are going to expose O Franklin.

Bob's your Information Minister
09-08-2011, 01:32 PM
Says the guy who thinks the Raiders vaunted DE's are going to expose O Franklin.

The Raiders have a pretty good defense, dude.

Shaughnessy is set to explode this year.

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 01:32 PM
Miller is just a special player. You will find out the hard way on Monday night because your RT situation is a complete mess.

Dumerville has more a chance to give raiders some problems than Von Miller. Again whether its a te or a RB someone will chip him. You can't pass rush when its third and short. Also Raiders might let the rookie Dumervile come in and Just set up the screen to either MCfadden or Jones. When you catch up with them they might be in the endzone. The beauty part of having Mcfadden and Jones possible together it could be swing pass to either side. Those plays can go a long long way. I want to see Von Miller stick with either in coverage .

Raider Bill
09-08-2011, 01:34 PM
what else is this coach going to say? "Moss just sucks, I'm not sure why the old dead guy upstairs brought him in, I mean, just because I've coached some decent talent in the past does not mean I can polish this turd into a diamond...."

Every coach thinks they can coach up a bad player. That's why they are coachs. Unfortunately the bad players almost always stay bad no matter how hard the coach tries.

So it's entirely out of the realm of possibility for a player to improve in a different situation?

You know more than Mike Wauffle?

Popcorn Sutton
09-08-2011, 01:34 PM
The Raiders have a pretty good defense, dude.

Shaughnessy is set to explode this year.

Hence the Max Protection comment. Step aside Fatty.

Popcorn Sutton
09-08-2011, 01:36 PM
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Raider9175
09-08-2011, 01:42 PM
Clady doesnt stand a chance ........ :wave:

Reading not your strong suit is it. Clady could be all world and it still might not matter. Your RT is going to have his hands full with L Houston and on passing downs with K Wimbley. Also raiders interior Dts Seymour and Kelly Broncos interior oline have to figure out a way to block both. (didn't last season)
Those Two Big guys in the middle is why Raidedrs beat the Broncos and every other team in the divison twice last year. Both start blowing up your interior that means its going to be extremely hard for you to win this game.

Powderaddict
09-08-2011, 01:43 PM
I can't believe we're arguing with raiderfans about JARVIS MOSS. LOL

Powderaddict
09-08-2011, 01:44 PM
So it's entirely out of the realm of possibility for a player to improve in a different situation?

You know more than Mike Wauffle?

Yes, the raiders are very famous for finding incredible success by turning trash into superstars over the last decade. I would trust them implicitly Hilarious!

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 01:49 PM
Hence the Max Protection comment. Step aside Fatty.

Again where are you Max Protecting when The pressure coming from the Dts. You can't doubled team both of them . Why do you think Tom kelly had 7 sacks last year. Thats why its so deadly when your pressure coming up the middle. Now if your getting pressure from the outside. The Qb can step up in the pocket and just let the tackle push the pass rusher right pass the play. Not to mention you can chip him with Te.

broncosteven
09-08-2011, 01:52 PM
It's going to be interesting to see how we go about stopping the run. Obviously, alot will turn on whether Bunkley is available. But even if he is available, I would still expect alot of 8 man boxes with Cov 1 or Cov 3 behind it. I think Dumervil has improved tremendously as a run stuffer from what we've seen in the preseason. I'd expect to see some run blitzes as well targetting the holes the Raiders like to run to based on down and distance tendencies. If Boss is out that would be huge for Denver, since even Woodyard has had trouble covering TE's and none of the LB's starting in this game would be a good matchup against him.

I know Oakland is going to run right up the middle, right at our DT's. Wouldn't be surprised to see Fox use some wrinkles within his eight man fronts to counter this, like covering both guards as well as the center in a 46 type alignment to cut down on the inside run and force them to run outside, instead. At least that would kind of mask the DT issue. I'd be really surprised if we're using alot of two safety high coverages like 2, 2 man or Quarters in this game, unless its obvious pass situations.

REP

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 01:52 PM
For every Sapp or Suh how many 1st round DT's bust. That is what he was asking.

English. Do you speak it?

:Broncos:

That silly you can say the same about Olb too or any position for that matter.

Popcorn Sutton
09-08-2011, 01:53 PM
Again where are you Max Protecting when The pressure coming from the Dts. You can't doubled team both of them . Why do you think Tom kelly had 7 sacks last year. Thats why its so deadly when your pressure coming up the middle. Now if your getting pressure from the outside. The Qb can step up in the pocket and just let the tackle push the pass rusher right pass the play. Not to mention you can chip him with Te.

Stay on point brosef. Go back and read... I was mocking the fact that you are eluding to the Raiders being able to Max Protect against Von Doom but you somehow think the Raiders DE's will have more success because of Orlando Franklin. Broncos can play Max protect game too tough guy.

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 01:57 PM
REP

No rep on that raiders could use swing passes to their rbs and FB just like you use the run. (have the samje effect) The more you have to gamble on defense to stop another offense, the more big plays you open for that offense. Playing right into raiders hands.

Popcorn Sutton
09-08-2011, 02:02 PM
That silly you can say the same about Olb too or any position for that matter.

Read up slick:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=5040003

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 02:03 PM
Stay on point brosef. Go back and read... I was mocking the fact that you are eluding to the Raiders being able to Max Protect against Von Doom but you somehow think the Raiders DE's will have more success because of Orlando Franklin. Broncos can play Max protect game too tough guy.

You can Max Protect and Help Your RT. Will it matter if Raiders Dt are living in Broncos backfield.(thats where raiders destroyed you and every other AFC West team) Thats once less player your sending out by Max Protecting.(your doing the raiders a favor there) The More raiders Dt control this game the more less your going to be able to win aq shootout with raiders.

Dedhed
09-08-2011, 02:05 PM
I've never read anything as dumb as what this guy attempts to write.

ghwk
09-08-2011, 02:08 PM
This will either be a very quiet or very interesting thread after the game. I personally think Idiot Cannoball is going to hurt someone. I just can't predict from which team.

Popcorn Sutton
09-08-2011, 02:09 PM
You can Max Protect and Help Your RT. Will it matter if Raiders Dt are living in Broncos backfield.(thats where raiders destroyed you and every other AFC West team) Thats once less player your sending out by Max Protecting.(your doing the raiders a favor there) The More raiders Dt control this game the more less your going to be able to win aq shootout with raiders.

Like I said, stay on point. Your argument about Raiders Defensive Ends having more success than Von Doom. You acknowledge the Raiders can bring Tight Ends in to help Max protect but you never seemed to acknowledge that the Broncos can and will do the same thing.

Raiders do have an advantage at DT. Never argued that... That is my number 1 concern for Monday Night. Mostly on the Broncos defensive side of the ball... but I acknowledge Seymour/Kelly could cause some problems for sure on offense.

Looking forward to seeing how we hold up.

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 02:15 PM
Read up slick:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=5040003

There is risk with every position in the draft. It all a crapshoot. Certain Positionsa JMo i think are much more important . If you could choose the positions you would hit on. These imo are the most important. 1 QB 2 LT 3 Top Pass rusher 4 Center 5 DT NOw if Von Miller becomes a top pass rusher than it was worth taken him there. If not that your going to have serious regret you pass on a diffrence maker at DT. Look no further than Seymour and the diffrence he has made against the AFc West.

Popcorn Sutton
09-08-2011, 02:21 PM
There is risk with every position in the draft. It all a crapshoot. Certain Positionsa JMo i think are much more important . If you could choose the positions you would hit on. These imo are the most important. 1 QB 2 LT 3 Top Pass rusher 4 Center 5 DT NOw if Von Miller becomes a top pass rusher than it was worth taken him there. If not that your going to have serious regret you pass on a diffrence maker at DT. Look no further than Seymour and the diffrence he has made against the AFc West.

Point still stands... For every Richard Seymour there's 20 first round busts at DT. Von Miller was the right move for a team that has several holes to fill. He'll be used all over the field in the joker position; gives the Broncos a lot more flexibility/options on defense.

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 02:26 PM
Like I said, stay on point. Your argument about Raiders Defensive Ends having more success than Von Doom. You acknowledge the Raiders can bring Tight Ends in to help Max protect but you never seemed to acknowledge that the Broncos can and will do the same thing.

Raiders do have an advantage at DT. Never argued that... That is my number 1 concern for Monday Night. Mostly on the Broncos defensive side of the ball... but I acknowledge Seymour/Kelly could cause some problems for sure on offense.

Looking forward to seeing how we hold up.

What the whole Dline dosen't apply. IF raiders Dt's are getting penetration in Broncos backfield thats not going to make the raiders De job easier.(QB can't step up in the pocket) Des know where the Qb going to be.

Broncos can do things to try and slow down those raiders Dts. Draws, screens etc. Maybe go no huddle and try and tire those guys out(who aren't used to playing that much this season) It a chess matchup.
The problem with that you go three and Out. Your asking your defense to come back on the field real fast. You could be having the reverse effect with your defense.

Its going to be intresting what both teams throw at each othewr Monday night.

Raider9175
09-08-2011, 02:28 PM
Point still stands... For every Richard Seymour there's 20 first round busts at DT. Von Miller was the right move for a team that has several holes to fill. He'll be used all over the field in the joker position; gives the Broncos a lot more flexibility/options on defense.

Only time will tell with Von miller. jsut because I would have prefered the DT, dosen't mean VON Miller was a bad pick. That just my opinion and will admit its not worth that much.

Peoples Champ
09-08-2011, 02:29 PM
raiders will get Von Doomed

theAPAOps5
09-08-2011, 02:34 PM
Only time will tell with Von miller. jsut because I would have prefered the DT, dosen't mean VON Miller was a bad pick. That just my opinion and will admit its not worth that much.

Finally you say something insightful.

cutthemdown
09-08-2011, 03:09 PM
Linebackers play longer then DT usually, so if they are both equal talents you may take the backer. Dareus would have been a great player for us as well though. I hope he breaks Cassels back this weekend and starts his career off with a bang.

But raider fans saying Miller is unproven is a bit funny. It's funny because they are being
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A- Myopic about Aso not being a huge loss to the defense
b- Myopic about Miller not being your best weapon in the passing game, and hes gone
c- Unproven WR that haven't done much in the NFL but they talk about how great they are. Which is it? do players have to be proven or not?
d- In denial that Gallery will be missed inside and that Carlisle is an NFL starter.
e- then they say the rookie wiesnewski ready to roll, but other teams rookies are question marks

then you top that all off with a way crappier QB then the Broncos have.

What the raiders do have is a great front 7 outside of olb Groves who is horrible, great running back core, pretty good starting corners. Thats it. The WR/OL/Safety/nickle back/TE/QB aren't better then Broncos.

broncocalijohn
09-08-2011, 03:11 PM
So it's entirely out of the realm of possibility for a player to improve in a different situation?

You know more than Mike Wauffle?

No, we know Jarvis Moss!

broncosteven
09-08-2011, 03:11 PM
No rep on that raiders could use swing passes to their rbs and FB just like you use the run. (have the samje effect) The more you have to gamble on defense to stop another offense, the more big plays you open for that offense. Playing right into raiders hands.

Denver's D isn't based around gambling, it's about reads and confusing the QB and getting him to see one thing while they do another.

They may show a 46 and if Dawkins reads pass he will go from an extra LB back to his coverage responsibility. It is not about selling out to get pressure.

Ayers concerns me because he has been eaten alive on screens this PS but I trust Fox to make an adjustment to limit the threat of the screen and swing passes.

If Oakland gets drops in their down field passing game they will have trouble.

broncocalijohn
09-08-2011, 03:17 PM
Raiders9175 should have just stuck with their offense scoring points on us and keeping his keen perspective of his defense out of it. At least his O has some validity to it for having the chance to beat the Broncos.

Raider Bill
09-08-2011, 03:57 PM
Yes, the raiders are very famous for finding incredible success by turning trash into superstars over the last decade. I would trust them implicitly Hilarious!

Kennedy was the ninth overall pick in the 1993 NFL Draft taken by the Atlanta Falcons. He started at left guard throughout his rookie season, but lost the job the following year to another first-year player, Dave Richards out of UCLA. After a disappointing 1995 season, Kennedy was traded to the Oakland Raiders, where he started at right tackle in all but three games of his seven-year tenure there. As a member of the Raiders, Kennedy was named to two consecutive Pro Bowls (three career) and anchored the offensive line in Super Bowl XXXVII.

Yes hilarious how moronic you are all being.

Popcorn Sutton
09-08-2011, 04:06 PM
Yes hilarious how moronic you are all being.

Had to go back 16 years... LOL LOL

Raider Bill
09-08-2011, 04:06 PM
:clown:Are you comparing Moss to Osi and Tuck?

Moss is a waste of a roster spot. 1 sack in 5 games...so in a full season you expect 3 sacks from "the specialist". If you think Oakland can somehow come up with a way to make Moss productive when Denver could not...then you are really more delusional then I originally thought.

:Broncos:

You're just being bitter.

Why can't it happen, because a bunch of message board General Managers say so?

Raider Bill
09-08-2011, 04:09 PM
Had to go back 16 years... LOL LOL

No I dont... The Browns picked Kamerion Wimbley with the 13th pick in the draft, and dealt him off to us for a mid 3rd 4 years later...

Tombstone RJ
09-08-2011, 04:09 PM
:clown:

You're just being bitter.

Why can't it happen, because a bunch of message board General Managers say so?

I guess it can happen. Just like I guess it can happen for Vernon Gholston.