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cutthemdown
09-06-2011, 10:25 PM
http://www.musictrades.com/news7.html


in the law of the land. In November 2009, Fish and Wildlife agents, accompanied by a heavily armed FBI SWAT team, stormed Gibson's Nashville plant and confiscated ebony fingerboards that had been imported from Madagascar. On August 24, 2011 the Feds gave an encore, rushing into Gibson factories in Memphis and Nashville with weapons drawn to confiscate ebony and rosewood from India. The urgency of this "shock and awe" display of enforcement power would suggest a serious crime had been committed. Yet nearly two years after the first raid, no formal charges have been filed, leaving Gibson management to ponder what exactly they stand accused of.

The absence of a formal indictment has fueled wild speculation, but affidavits filed to secure search warrants indicate that this case is about suspected violations of the amended Lacey Act, the recently expanded law that gives the Fish & Wildlife Service the right to regulate all trade in plant material (including wood). The new, but we hesitate to say improved, Lacey Act makes it unlawful to import, export, sell, or purchase in interstate or foreign commerce any plant that violates any U.S. or foreign law.

There are no laws on the books in the U.S. prohibiting the use of Indian or Madagascar rosewood and ebony. That didn't stop the industrious John M. Rayfield, a special agent at the Fish and Wildlife service, from concluding that Gibson's use of these woods violated Indian law. The law he cites in his affidavit, "W.E.F. 23.08.2010 Government of India, Ministry of Commerce and Industry," has nothing to do with overharvesting, illegal logging, or anything else related to the environment. Rather, it specifies labor content levels for wood thicker than 6 millimeters that is exported from India. In other words, Gibson stands accused of using U.S. instead of Indian labor to produce its guitars. Had the company imported a finished guitar from India, using the same rosewood and ebony, it would have been in compliance with Lacey. Importing semi-finished component parts caused the violation. In practice, the Indian authorities have a different interpretation of their law: For decades they have allowed the export of millions of fingerboard blanks without challenge.

There isn't a guitar manufacturer of any scale in the U.S. that doesn't use some Indian rosewood or ebony for fingerboards, and all of them, to the best of our knowledge, import the same kind of semi-finished blanks that were seized from the Gibson plant. Thus, by the logic of Rayfield's affidavit, they are all potentially in violation of Lacey. Lacey applies to sellers, buyers, intermediaries, and anyone else who comes into contact with "illegal" wood, so retailers and consumers could be on the hook as well. If that isn't sufficiently unsettling, remember that Lacey is "a fact-based, rather than a document-based statute." Translation: having the right paperwork won't save you from fines, confiscation of product, or even imprisonment, and the world of music is populated with unsuspecting felons.

At a time when the U.S. economy has yet to return to 2008 production levels, when unemployment stands at 9.1%, when the 2011 national deficit will top $1.3 trillion, and when the trade deficit continues to grow, it's hard to understand why federal agencies would be spending millions to prosecute a thriving U.S. company that sells an acclaimed product that delights millions, is adding workers to its U.S. payroll, and exports 60% of its production. (Equally baffling is why Congress would pass such a poorly crafted bill as the amended Lacey Act, but that's an issue for another editorial.) If Fish and Wildlife and the FBI have a cause for action against Gibson, they should have spelled it out long ago. Absent a compelling case, they should pack it in and let the people of Gibson go about their business serving musicians without interference.

When the Oregon Congressional Delegation amended the Lacey act, their self-declared aim was primarily economic. Responding to an influential constituent, they sought expanded import documentation to slow timber imports and thereby boost a Pacific Northwest timber industry that had been hard hit by the downturn in housing construction. Thus, a bill to help loggers in Oregon has hurt guitar makers in Tennessee, proving that the law of unintended consequences is still very much in force.

Responsibility for enforcing Lacey, and making sure that all wood was in compliance with all of the world's regulations, was handed to the Animal Plant Heath Inspection Service (APHIS), an arm of the U.S. Department of Agriculture. In a December 15, 2008 presentation, APHIS officials appeared overwhelmed by the new job. They said that enforcement was a low priority and it would take at least a year to develop reporting requirements and proper forms. Yet 11 months later, the Feds were at Gibson's door with guns drawn.

We're not lawyers, but this prosecution (or should we say persecution) of Gibson seems a violation of "due process" and a clear-cut case of regulatory agencies run amok. And the problem extends beyond the pain inflicted on a single company. By the reasoning employed by Fish and Wildlife, the entire guitar world--manufacturers, retailers, vintage dealers, teachers, and players--could be implicated in a Lacey sting. This kind of open-ended threat of prosecution is an affront to a legion of decent, hardworking people who provide the tools for musicians; it's an unnecessary burden on an already struggling economy; and it's a blow to the credibility of a government that is not universally well regarded by its citizenry. As Gibson CEO Henry Juszkiewicz put it, "We feel totally abused. We believe the arrogance of federal power is impacting me personally, our company, and the employees here in Tennessee, and it's just plain wrong."


Our govt is a joke.

mhgaffney
09-07-2011, 04:50 AM
The issue is protecting the planet's remaining tropical rain forests -- being decimated as we speak.

This, however, appears to be a case of out of control bureaucrats. The amounts of ebony uses in guitars is so small -- surely this use is not a threat to the survival of rain forests.

The real problem is the lack of leadership in our nation. The tone is set from the top -- and given Bush and Obama's predilection for the Patriot Act, Homeland Security - FEMA -- Continuity of Government (COG), torture, renditions, dictatorial war powers etc etc - -and the move to a US police state- - this abuse by bureaucrats is no surprise -- and is consistent with all of the above.

The real problem is the destruction of the US Constitution --

mhgaffney
09-07-2011, 04:53 AM
I forgot to mention -- Cut is a whiny brat -- after being a big booster of CIA covert ops -- in every nation on earth -- which undermine real democracy -- now he whines about SWAT teams here in the US?!

Be careful what you wish for, Cut. You just might get it.

This isa case of chickens coming home to roost.

DarkHorse30
09-07-2011, 11:00 AM
How about this? - "Use Natural Resources to Live" - kinda like all of the beautiful animals in our great land.

Or - "Use Natural Resources to provide great jobs for our citizens" - kinda like all those wonderful arab countries that the liberals are so in love with (except Israel, of course).

cutthemdown
09-07-2011, 01:46 PM
I am against the CIA even being used domestically. Im sure they break that rule and I support busting them if they do. I do want them to robustly be up in the ass off all the other countries. Still I fail to see a connection between this admin creating a bunch of regulations that hurt business, and the CIA spying on Americans. How you make that connection makes you a stupid brat. Not to mention you friggin whine and complain about 300% more then anyone else on the board. You calling someone out for whining would be like Bush JR saying Obama is a war monger. The CIA and the Dept of Fish and Wildlife, or whatever agency this was have no connection IMO.

The only connection to be made is this

Democrats, Obama = Over regulation and the stifling of American business

bronclvr
09-07-2011, 02:09 PM
Gibson's response-


http://youtu.be/O_-taqM5Sk0


C'mon, people, it's Wood! why aren't they at the Fender, or the CE Martin, or the Taylor Factory? I smell a rat-

Tombstone RJ
09-07-2011, 03:11 PM
Gibson's response-


http://youtu.be/O_-taqM5Sk0


C'mon, people, it's Wood! why aren't they at the Fender, or the CE Martin, or the Taylor Factory? I smell a rat-

did you even read the article? Here, let me help:

By the reasoning employed by Fish and Wildlife, the entire guitar world--manufacturers, retailers, vintage dealers, teachers, and players--could be implicated in a Lacey sting.

Translation, this is such a stooopid law that anyone who has anything to do with a guitar made from this material is subject to prosecution.

Requiem
09-07-2011, 04:54 PM
They are not going to prosecute musicians who purchased instruments from Gibson just because were involved in violations.

Good grief.

mhgaffney
09-07-2011, 04:56 PM
I am against the CIA even being used domestically. Im sure they break that rule and I support busting them if they do. I do want them to robustly be up in the ass off all the other countries. Still I fail to see a connection between this admin creating a bunch of regulations that hurt business, and the CIA spying on Americans. How you make that connection makes you a stupid brat. Not to mention you friggin whine and complain about 300% more then anyone else on the board. You calling someone out for whining would be like Bush JR saying Obama is a war monger. The CIA and the Dept of Fish and Wildlife, or whatever agency this was have no connection IMO.

The only connection to be made is this

Democrats, Obama = Over regulation and the stifling of American business


Obama is over regulating business???

Surely you jest. Just the other day, Obama rescinded new environmental standards and regulations that were set in motion by the Bush administration.

Bush -- that great defender of the environment.

No -- you can bet the new regs were already watered down -- yet Obama nonetheless canceled them altogether.

Wake up. You been sleepin'

MHG

DarkHorse30
09-07-2011, 09:04 PM
He thinks he's a friggin' king or something. What is with all these "czars"? And why would you put a guy that knows NOTHING about selling, making, marketing cars in charge of an auto plant that you and your czars had no business taking over in the first place? It's STILL the economy, Stupid, and you are STILL driving it into the dirt as much as you were when you were enthroned.

Obama is socialist that has NO idea how to FIX anything. Everything is either:

A) not my fault because Bush did it
or
B) easily fixable we just need more of your money to fix it.

Lefties think they can tax their way to a balanced budget. "Oh and look at all those GREEDY executives.....let's regulate THAT". IMO, the greedy ones are the politician's who want more tax money to spend frivolously. At least Corporations have a bottom line to watch.....Obama and Pelosi spent their way to the biggest deficit in the history of our country....and THEY aren't GREEDY? Too busy fixing all of our problems with their spending to care about how much they overspent - And what do we have to show for it? Another depression. Thanks 57, your approval rating matches your IQ. Go back to chi-town.

cutthemdown
09-08-2011, 02:32 PM
They are not going to prosecute musicians who purchased instruments from Gibson just because were involved in violations.

Good grief.

They should not even be screwing with Gibson. The law is stupid. It was meant to stop illegally harvested wood which none of this is. It's just India has a protectionist law about the wood being made into a product in india, then shipped. This wood is shipped to America, where our craftsman make the best guitars in the country. Thats what happens when regulations run amok.

And Gaff it was Boehner request to see all the EPA changes that would cost a billion or more stop Obama. Obama has to be stopped, he doesn't get credit for caving to the repubs. The repubs get that credit.

cutthemdown
09-08-2011, 02:33 PM
Sorry lefties but the Bush was worst isn't going to get it done this time around.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-08-2011, 03:49 PM
He thinks he's a friggin' king or something.

This from a fervent fan boy of "The Decider?"

Thanks for that moment of levity. Ha!

cutthemdown
09-08-2011, 04:24 PM
LABF why not just say what you think about this issue. It has nothing to do with Bush. The changes to the Lacey act being beefed up happened after Bush.

cutthemdown
09-08-2011, 04:24 PM
I guess LABF plays Fenders.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-08-2011, 04:32 PM
LABF why not just say what you think about this issue.

Already did.

You're not the first person to start a thread on this topic, you know.


It has nothing to do with Bush.

Who said it did?

Just pointing out right-wing double standards.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-08-2011, 04:32 PM
I guess LABF plays Fenders.

Guilty as charged.

mhgaffney
09-08-2011, 09:13 PM
Sorry lefties but the Bush was worst isn't going to get it done this time around.

Despite what you saw on FOX -- the US is the least regulated of any of the industrialized countries.

This is undoubtedly a big reason why the 2008 meltdown happened.

I suggest you watch INSIDE JOB. It's posted for free on the Internet.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-08-2011, 09:38 PM
Despite what you saw on FOX -- the US is the least regulated of any of the industrialized countries.

This is undoubtedly a big reason why the 2008 meltdown happened.

I suggest you watch INSIDE JOB. It's posted for free on the Internet.

And it was the rightards who championed the deregulation that led to the meltdown all along.