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montrose
09-05-2011, 10:23 AM
http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/depth-chart.html

COBronc78
09-05-2011, 10:28 AM
LMAO

http://prod.static.broncos.clubs.nfl.com//assets/images/imported/DEN/photos/persons/player-cards/2011/quinn_tebow.jpg

http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster/Brady%20Quinn%20or-Tim%20Tebow/3025915e-9d03-456b-a013-d02ff8200308

TheReverend
09-05-2011, 10:28 AM
Oh Jesus Christ.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
09-05-2011, 10:29 AM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_L7-5D2uVxTo/SvJjMuAjzCI/AAAAAAAAAGg/CCjetiSaKX8/s400/awgeez3.jpg

We'll know When Orton goes down.

oubronco
09-05-2011, 10:30 AM
Hilarious!

Gcver2ver3
09-05-2011, 10:31 AM
i guess they weren't lying when they said they like how Virgil Green's blocking has improved..

he's listed as the backup FB...

broncosteven
09-05-2011, 10:41 AM
Maybe they can't tell them apart?

strafen
09-05-2011, 10:41 AM
I'm not really amused the way Fox has handled the QB situation.
It seems to me he has not been truly in charge of the decision making, or doesn't feel confident enough to make a move he feels good about. Unfortunately, this is the result of the media hype surrounding Tebow for the longest time.

First, he said he wouldn't officially name the back-up QB until after the last pre-season game. It appears to me the competition was too close to call that he needed that game to decide. Well, Tebow clearly emerged the winner of that contest, it's fair to say.

I just think that had Quinn outplayed Tebow that he would've had Quinn clearly as the back-up to Orton.

This is just my opinion, your mileage may vary...

Smilin Assassin
09-05-2011, 10:49 AM
I'm guessing the QBs KNOW who will be #2.

There was an article on this last week in the DP. Fox said he would most likely NOT say who the back-up was before the game, as it was a game planning issue.

Our opponents would work on different packages depending on the one named #2. (Personally, I don't think the raiders will study Quinn much or use any diff packages for him, but..).

fwiw

Man-Goblin
09-05-2011, 10:51 AM
Lame.

DBroncos4life
09-05-2011, 10:58 AM
Does it really matter?

TheReverend
09-05-2011, 11:01 AM
Does it really matter?

It does matter. Any depth chart that says:

#1. Orton

Is wrong.

HAT
09-05-2011, 11:05 AM
It does matter. Any depth chart that says:

#1. Orton

Is wrong.

Aw crap, your ban is over already?

TheReverend
09-05-2011, 11:06 AM
Aw crap, your ban is over already?

Pardon?

ant1999e
09-05-2011, 11:06 AM
I'm not really amused the way Fox has handled the QB situation.
It seems to me he has not been truly in charge of the decision making, or doesn't feel confident enough to make a move he feels good about. Unfortunately, this is the result of the media hype surrounding Tebow for the longest time.

First, he said he wouldn't officially name the back-up QB until after the last pre-season game. It appears to me the competition was too close to call that he needed that game to decide. Well, Tebow clearly emerged the winner of that contest, it's fair to say.

I just think that had Quinn outplayed Tebow that he would've had Quinn clearly as the back-up to Orton.

This is just my opinion, your mileage may vary...

Or maybe he's just tired of the press screwing with his qb's heads and is giving them a big FU and not giving them the chance to do it again.

gyldenlove
09-05-2011, 11:09 AM
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/complex_conjugate.png

Inkana7
09-05-2011, 11:16 AM
That is actually really funny.

Br0nc0Buster
09-05-2011, 11:19 AM
I lol'd

Fox actually said they were going to do that, so its not surprising

next to Colquitt it should say "or possible camp competition"

TheReverend
09-05-2011, 11:20 AM
Our CB situation is so ****ed it's unreal.

montrose
09-05-2011, 11:32 AM
It does matter. Any depth chart that says:

#1. Orton

Is wrong.

ROFL

Our CB situation is so ****ed it's unreal.

http://gridirongrit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Patrick-Peterson.jpg

Was there for the taking... :undecided

Jay3
09-05-2011, 11:33 AM
Lamest thing ever.

The word "embarassing" gets tossed around a lot, but in this case, this is quite literally embarrassing.

smoke4815162342
09-05-2011, 11:35 AM
Can we please cut this **** out?

John Fox knows who he is gonna put in the game if Orton gets injured. Stop acting like a lil bitch Coach Fox. What are they so afraid of?

NUB
09-05-2011, 11:39 AM
This takes Fox down a notch for me.

tnedator
09-05-2011, 11:40 AM
Need one of those triple face palm pics posted, "for times when a double face palm just isn't enough..."

Inkana7
09-05-2011, 11:40 AM
Can we please cut this **** out?

John Fox knows who he is gonna put in the game if Orton gets injured. Stop acting like a lil b**** Coach Fox. What are they so afraid of?

Delusional fans.

Requiem
09-05-2011, 11:48 AM
Need one of those triple face palm pics posted, "for times when a double face palm just isn't enough..."

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wvdStNaSFLY/TRF_eLNylFI/AAAAAAAAA7E/dFtQegGZPgg/s1600/181148-triple_facepalm_super.jpg

Broncoman13
09-05-2011, 11:53 AM
ROFL



http://gridirongrit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Patrick-Peterson.jpg

Was there for the taking... :undecided

I've been meaning to ask Rev, are you happy with Von now or still think we would've been better of with Peterson? Depth an CB is a huge concern, but Von looks to be elite. Happy with Von!

Agamemnon
09-05-2011, 12:01 PM
http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/depth-chart.html

Is this a ****ing joke? What the **** Fox?

I'm really starting to have my doubts about this guy...

IHaveALight
09-05-2011, 12:03 PM
I remember Fox saying in an interview that they're not going to disclose the number 2 QB and I think he said all year. But is this not against the rules? I could see a fine coming.

Requiem
09-05-2011, 12:04 PM
How embarrassing.

Dedhed
09-05-2011, 12:05 PM
That is weak sauce.

Agamemnon
09-05-2011, 12:06 PM
I remember Fox saying in an interview that they're not going to disclose the number 2 QB and I think he said all year. But is this not against the rules? I could see a fine coming.

This is some bush league **** right here...

Broncoman13
09-05-2011, 12:08 PM
I remember Fox saying in an interview that they're not going to disclose the number 2 QB and I think he said all year. But is this not against the rules? I could see a fine coming.

Not against any rule as you can carry three QBs now. Last year I think it would have been Quinn as the Emergency QB/3rd QB. This is plain and simple a cop out by the staff. Avoid biatching about who is the 2nd. I think a lot of it has to do with pleasing a few of the players on the team. Seriously, I think we have some big time Tebow hate inside the lockerroom... Penis envy with all the love Tebow gets.

Inkana7
09-05-2011, 12:09 PM
Is this a ****ing joke? What the **** Fox?

I'm really starting to have my doubts about this guy...

Really? Over the backup QB?

Agamemnon
09-05-2011, 12:10 PM
Not against any rule as you can carry three QBs now. Last year I think it would have been Quinn as the Emergency QB/3rd QB. This is plain and simple a cop out by the staff. Avoid biatching about who is the 2nd. I think a lot of it has to do with pleasing a few of the players on the team. Seriously, I think we have some big time Tebow hate inside the lockerroom... Penis envy with all the love Tebow gets.

Wow way to just make **** up. ::)

Agamemnon
09-05-2011, 12:11 PM
Really? Over the backup QB?

The fact that Tebow is even the backup is bad enough. This takes it to a whole new level. So yes. This is flat out weak.

tnedator
09-05-2011, 12:13 PM
I remember Fox saying in an interview that they're not going to disclose the number 2 QB and I think he said all year. But is this not against the rules? I could see a fine coming.

I've wondered about a fine or warning from league. I have no idea what the requirements are for publishing a depth chart. I know they must be required, since every team does.

It's impossible to force a team to be honest on the depth chart, but this makes a mockery of it, which I wouldn't think the league would like.

Dedhed
09-05-2011, 12:14 PM
I've wondered about a fine or warning from league. I have no idea what the requirements are for publishing a depth chart. I know they must be required, since every team does.

It's impossible to force a team to be honest on the depth chart, but this makes a mockery of it, which I wouldn't think the league would like.

I doubt the team website has anything to do with official league business.

Agamemnon
09-05-2011, 12:15 PM
I've wondered about a fine or warning from league. I have no idea what the requirements are for publishing a depth chart. I know they must be required, since every team does.

It's impossible to force a team to be honest on the depth chart, but this makes a mockery of it, which I wouldn't think the league would like.

Yeah I mean if they can do this why not just list everyone as 1st string with 'or' between their names?

Swedish Extrovert
09-05-2011, 12:21 PM
I think it's a good move with the new CBA rule change regarding QBs where teams don't have to submit a backup QB to the league.

Last year if you put your number three in before the number two, that would render the number two ineligible for the rest of the game. Now you can put in whoever you want.

bowtown
09-05-2011, 12:31 PM
http://aikoilagan.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/who-cares1.jpg

Agamemnon
09-05-2011, 12:46 PM
http://aikoilagan.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/who-cares1.jpg

People who actually want to know this organization has a ****ing clue what they are doing?

Br0nc0Buster
09-05-2011, 12:48 PM
I heard Fox say they dont have to declare a backup qb

but wtf is the big deal?

How is this upsetting people?

Its not like the coaches themselves have no idea who the backup is

Agamemnon
09-05-2011, 12:49 PM
I heard Fox say they dont have to declare a backup qb

but wtf is the big deal?

How is this upsetting people?

Its not like the coaches themselves have no idea who the backup is

Remember all the talk of transparency when Elway took over? Yeah... ::)

Dr. Broncenstein
09-05-2011, 12:52 PM
Remember all the talk of transparency when Elway took over? Yeah... ::)

Oh it's plenty transparent when you read between the lines.

Agamemnon
09-05-2011, 12:55 PM
Oh it's plenty transparent when you read between the lines.

That's actually the opposite of transparent my friend...

TheReverend
09-05-2011, 12:55 PM
I've been meaning to ask Rev, are you happy with Von now or still think we would've been better of with Peterson? Depth an CB is a huge concern, but Von looks to be elite. Happy with Von!

Happy with Von, but TODAY, I'd still RATHER have Peterson.

Hoping both Von's ability and how they utilize him turn that on it's head, but.......

Agamemnon
09-05-2011, 12:56 PM
Happy with Von, but TODAY, I'd still RATHER have Peterson.

Hoping both Von's ability and how they utilize him turn that on it's head, but.......

Is Peterson even starting yet?

TheReverend
09-05-2011, 12:57 PM
That's actually the opposite of transparent my friend...

Think you missed the point of his post...

epicSocialism4tw
09-05-2011, 12:58 PM
Lamest thing ever.

The word "embarassing" gets tossed around a lot, but in this case, this is quite literally embarrassing.

Yep.

We had to sit through the McD fiasco for two years and now this?

Is Bowlen trying to run off the fans?

tnedator
09-05-2011, 12:59 PM
I think it's a good move with the new CBA rule change regarding QBs where teams don't have to submit a backup QB to the league.

Last year if you put your number three in before the number two, that would render the number two ineligible for the rest of the game. Now you can put in whoever you want.

FWIW, the way last year's rule (and since they put the emergency QB in), was that if your emergency QB came in before the 4th quarter, then your first two QBs were ineligible for the rest of the game. As long as the emergency QB didn't enter the game for the first time until the 4th quarter started, then you could freely use any of the QBs.

Archer81
09-05-2011, 12:59 PM
Tebow will play in games. I think that says more than a goofy depth chart.

IMO, of course.

:Broncos:

Agamemnon
09-05-2011, 12:59 PM
Think you missed the point of his post...

No I didn't miss it all. But inferring anything from this one way or the other is just that, inferring. It isn't organizational transparency.

Br0nc0Buster
09-05-2011, 01:00 PM
Bill Belichick puts Tom Brady on the injury report every week

Its called gamesmenship

Fox has been saying all along he was going to do this......why is this a surprise again?

Agamemnon
09-05-2011, 01:01 PM
Tebow will play in games. I think that says more than a goofy depth chart.

IMO, of course.

:Broncos:

We shall see. At this point nothing will surprise me. My faith in the people running this team is very low right now.

BroncoLover
09-05-2011, 01:02 PM
Ok, we had enough QB discussion. We cannot change anything there by talking about the same situation in 100 different threads. I have a question, is the the youngest Oline in NFL ? Outside of Kuper no one has been in NFL for more than 5 years on this line. Should we go out and get some other veteran center so the Oline can learn from them ? The backup was garbage and we saw that in pre-season.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-05-2011, 01:03 PM
No I didn't miss it all. But inferring anything from this one way or the other is just that, inferring. It isn't organizational transparency.

The only thing this front office hasn't done at this point is put out a "F--k You Tim Tebow" billboard. Other than that, it's very clear what their intentions are. Transparency.

Agamemnon
09-05-2011, 01:03 PM
Bill Belichick puts Tom Brady on the injury report every week

Its called gamesmenship

Fox has been saying all along he was going to do this......why is this a surprise again?

So why list anyone as starters or backups? Why not list the #1 QB as Orton or Quinn or Tebow if you really want to throw other teams off? Don't be naive.

Agamemnon
09-05-2011, 01:05 PM
The only thing this front office hasn't done at this point is put out a "F--k You Tim Tebow" billboard. Other than that, it's very clear what their intentions are. Transparency.

If that were true they would list him as #3 or they would've traded him. They certainly wouldn't have paid him that big roster bonus he got. They have been far from consistent and certainly not transparent on the matter.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-05-2011, 01:06 PM
Holy balls.

Agamemnon
09-05-2011, 01:06 PM
Ok, we had enough QB discussion. We cannot change anything there by talking about the same situation in 100 different threads. I have a question, is the the youngest Oline in NFL ? Outside of Kuper no one has been in NFL for more than 5 years on this line. Should we go out and get some other veteran center so the Oline can learn from them ? The backup was garbage and we saw that in pre-season.

Umm...the topic is the QBs on the depth chart...

Br0nc0Buster
09-05-2011, 01:12 PM
So why list anyone as starters or backups? Why not list the #1 QB as Orton or Quinn or Tebow if you really want to throw other teams off? Don't be naive.

Thats not how depth chart works, if that was allowed every team would be doing that. Teams will do anything they think might give them an edge.

This year is unique in that you dont have to declare a backup for the qb position, its the only position in which that is the case

so Fox didnt

bfg...

anyone who thinks this is a direct shot at Tebow is reading into things that arent there

I guess Fox didnt anticipate the outrage over what order Quinn and Tebow would sit on the bench though

BroncoLover
09-05-2011, 01:16 PM
Umm...the topic is the QBs on the depth chart...

True, but we have so many along the same lines.. so wanted to change the topic :welcome:

Paladin
09-05-2011, 01:19 PM
This thread is an epic FAIL.

Drama Queens are out in force. No number 2? Boo frucking hoo.

DBroncos4life
09-05-2011, 01:22 PM
Fox needs to buy stock in kleenex.

Br0nc0Buster
09-05-2011, 01:26 PM
Im starting to think that Agememnon guy is a 2nd account from someone else and is just ****ing with us

I cannot imagine someone seriously getting upset over something like this

has Baja and this guy ever been online at the same time?

errand
09-05-2011, 01:28 PM
Is this a ****ing joke? What the **** Fox?

I'm really starting to have my doubts about this guy...

Crazy like a fox they say............

Agamemnon
09-05-2011, 01:29 PM
Thats not how depth chart works, if that was allowed every team would be doing that. Teams will do anything they think might give them an edge.

This year is unique in that you dont have to declare a backup for the qb position, its the only position in which that is the case

so Fox didnt

bfg...

anyone who thinks this is a direct shot at Tebow is reading into things that arent there

I guess Fox didnt anticipate the outrage over what order Quinn and Tebow would sit on the bench though

So they don't need to list the backup at QB but they do at every other position? Do you have a link for that? I know they did away with the emergency QB rule, but I've never heard that anything else was different between QBs and other positions as far as depth charts go.

TheReverend
09-05-2011, 01:29 PM
Im starting to think that Agememnon guy is a 2nd account from someone else and is just ****ing with us

I cannot imagine someone seriously getting upset over something like this

has Baja and this guy ever been online at the same time?

I like how baja is the immediately top troll suspect every time.

Not Bob or a bored returned hotrod or former banned members etc.

Agamemnon
09-05-2011, 01:30 PM
Im starting to think that Agememnon guy is a 2nd account from someone else and is just ****ing with us

I cannot imagine someone seriously getting upset over something like this

has Baja and this guy ever been online at the same time?

You see all those people calling this pathetic and ridiculous in this thread? Yeah, I'm not the only one who thinks this is a retarded move.

Agamemnon
09-05-2011, 01:31 PM
I like how baja is the immediately top troll suspect every time.

Not Bob or a bored returned hotrod or former banned members etc.

I've been accused of being you as well. I've noticed it's a pretty common way to try and marginalize a poster on these boards.

errand
09-05-2011, 01:32 PM
Yep.

We had to sit through the McD fiasco for two years and now this?

Is Bowlen trying to run off the fans?


Not all of them...just a few select ones like,.....well you clowns know who you are.

broncocalijohn
09-05-2011, 01:33 PM
Tebow will play in games. I think that says more than a goofy depth chart.

IMO, of course.

:Broncos:

I am hoping this happens but after the Jaguars game, look how few snaps Tebow got in on games like VS Chiefs or Raiders. If Orton shows his inability to score inside the 20, we will start seeing the Tebow package during some of those times. I cannot see Fox and company being that stupid two years in a row.

Hamrob
09-05-2011, 01:34 PM
So, why doesn't it say:

"Tim Tebow or Brady Quinn"????

:-)))

errand
09-05-2011, 01:35 PM
So why list anyone as starters or backups? Why not list the #1 QB as Orton or Quinn or Tebow if you really want to throw other teams off? Don't be naive.

Why? Because that would be just plain silly....anyone that watched the pre-season games outside of you and your clown posse know that orton's the clear cut choice for #1

Rolandftw
09-05-2011, 01:37 PM
It's a stupid move, but I don't get why people are acting all butthurt about it. Quinn had played better then Tebow after three preseason games, played like crap the 4th game and now people think he should automatically be third string?

The team is screwed either way if Orton gets hurt. I have no confidence in either Tebow or Quinn being able to consistently lead the offense.

Br0nc0Buster
09-05-2011, 01:38 PM
I like how baja is the immediately top troll suspect every time.

Not Bob or a bored returned hotrod or former banned members etc.

For some reason I saw a lot of people suspect him of being that McGruder guy

I just got the impression thats something he could do, I dunno though

TheReverend
09-05-2011, 01:40 PM
I've been accused of being you as well. I've noticed it's a pretty common way to try and marginalize a poster on these boards.

You're cute

Swedish Extrovert
09-05-2011, 01:41 PM
FWIW, the way last year's rule (and since they put the emergency QB in), was that if your emergency QB came in before the 4th quarter, then your first two QBs were ineligible for the rest of the game. As long as the emergency QB didn't enter the game for the first time until the 4th quarter started, then you could freely use any of the QBs.

Yeah, but that was enough to keep Tebow in the number 2 spot because he can be valuable elsewhere.

Br0nc0Buster
09-05-2011, 01:41 PM
So they don't need to list the backup at QB but they do at every other position? Do you have a link for that? I know they did away with the emergency QB rule, but I've never heard that anything else was different between QBs and other positions as far as depth charts go.

Fox has said it several times in his after practice interviews on DenverBroncos.com

Hes been saying for like the past 3 weeks they changed the emergency qb rule and you no longer have to declare a backup, so he is not going to

Agamemnon
09-05-2011, 01:42 PM
It's a stupid move, but I don't get why people are acting all butthurt about it. Quinn had played better then Tebow after three preseason games, played like crap the 4th game and now people think he should automatically be third string?

The team is screwed either way if Orton gets hurt. I have no confidence in either Tebow or Quinn being able to consistently lead the offense.

Quinn never played better than Tebow at any point in the preseason, and in the final game the difference between the two was laughable.

And your last sentence is just plain crazy. Are you actually saying you have confidence in Orton to lead our offense after two years of ineptitude?

Agamemnon
09-05-2011, 01:43 PM
Fox has said it several times in his after practice interviews on DenverBroncos.com

Hes been saying for like the past 3 weeks they changed the emergency qb rule and you no longer have to declare a backup, so he is not going to

That's odd, and I've never heard it anywhere else, but if it's true this all makes a little more sense. I still am not really sure why Quinn is even on the roster at this point, but whatever.

broncocalijohn
09-05-2011, 01:45 PM
I heard Fox say they dont have to declare a backup qb

but wtf is the big deal?

How is this upsetting people?

Its not like the coaches themselves have no idea who the backup is

Just see who is complaining. It is the Tebowites crying foul. Who cares? 3rd string QB can now play anytime of the game. You all knew Orton was first and putting both together is no big deal right now. With Tebow possibly coming in on 3rd and short yard plays and/or goalline situations, he will be getting into the games. Is this some validation issue with some of you posters? Good grief, it is the QB position and not CB or Linebacker. WHile you see backups come in at every other position, QB is rare to see anyone but the starter. Tebowites, get a grip and chill the **** out.

chanesaw
09-05-2011, 01:46 PM
At least we didn't hire Jim Tressell as a game day consultant, and suspend him for the first 6 weeks of the season because his previous employer was going to.

Blart
09-05-2011, 01:50 PM
Tebow is #3, but Elway and Fox know if they make this information public, you guys will flip out.

theAPAOps5
09-05-2011, 01:54 PM
Pardon?

You were banned?

TheReverend
09-05-2011, 01:56 PM
You were banned?

No, I was at a resort on vacation... but whatever

theAPAOps5
09-05-2011, 01:58 PM
No, I was at a resort on vacation... but whatever

That's what I thought!

epicSocialism4tw
09-05-2011, 01:58 PM
Tebow is #3, but Elway and Fox know if they make this information public, you guys will flip out.

No, he knows that when he inevitably makes Tebow the #1 Qb, that the people who are bigoted against religion will all run away crying like children told to go clean their bedroom instead of playing outside.

randomtask
09-05-2011, 02:00 PM
http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/depth-chart.html

That's seriously funny.

Edit: Wow, why are people getting bent out of shape over this? It's clearly game-planning in the case that Orton gets injured. Tebow and Quinn have very different play styles, so the opponent would have to gameplan for both.

Or who knows, maybe Fox will go Tom Landry with the qb's. I'd find that hilarious.

Br0nc0Buster
09-05-2011, 02:02 PM
Too bad Fox didnt list Tebow as backup FB, now that would of been funny

Dedhed
09-05-2011, 02:03 PM
The team is screwed either way if Orton gets hurt. I have no confidence in either Tebow or Quinn being able to consistently lead the offense.

The team is screwed with Orton. Tebow, in his starts, was far more consistent in leading the offense.

Shananahan
09-05-2011, 02:05 PM
I really can't comprehend how this could bother anybody. Do you want them to release their scripted playbook as well, and what blitzes they plan on utilizing, etc?

This decision is entirely about not showing anybody else which cards Denver is holding. It's pretty silly, probably mostly pointless and shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone who has been paying attention.

KevinJames
09-05-2011, 02:09 PM
Wow some of you fans in this thread have no ****en clue.

This year is different they can play all 3 QBs on gameday if they wanted and wouldn't have to worry about last years rules, so they have a advantage competitively, they don't have to announce anything.

Making a big deal about really nothing....

EpicFail should stop posting hes so bad and than the others in this thread wow horrible.

STFU and enjoy what Fox is doing for this defense. Let Orton work with an actual offense and an offense that never runs the ball....

Rolandftw
09-05-2011, 03:37 PM
Quinn never played better than Tebow at any point in the preseason, and in the final game the difference between the two was laughable.

And your last sentence is just plain crazy. Are you actually saying you have confidence in Orton to lead our offense after two years of ineptitude?

Quinn was more efficient at getting the ball in the endzone against Dallas. Tebow barely played the second game, and Quinn didn't play in the 3rd. I agree that Tebow outplayed Quinn (although that's not really saying much) their last game. Games 1-3 it was painfully obvious that Tebow wasn't the #2 QB on the team.

It's funny that Tebow fans think it's a slight that Tebow wasn't explicitly stated as the #2 qb. Especially, when if anything it was done as a favor to Tim to not hurt his already likely shaken confidence.

And yeah, I do. A lot more then I would if Tebow or Quinn were behind center. Tebow probably the least of the three.

Agamemnon
09-05-2011, 03:40 PM
Quinn was more efficient at getting the ball in the endzone against Dallas. Tebow barely played the second game, and Quinn didn't play in the 3rd. I agree that Tebow outplayed Quinn (although that's not really saying much) their last game. Games 1-3 it was painfully obvious that Tebow wasn't the #2 QB on the team.

It's funny that Tebow fans think it's a slight that Tebow wasn't explicitly stated as the #2 qb. Especially, when if anything it was done as a favor to Tim to not hurt his already likely shaken confidence.

And yeah, I do. A lot more then I would if Tebow or Quinn were behind center. Tebow probably the least of the three.

Hilarious!

Swedish Extrovert
09-05-2011, 06:13 PM
I really can't comprehend how this could bother anybody. Do you want them to release their scripted playbook as well, and what blitzes they plan on utilizing, etc?

This decision is entirely about not showing anybody else which cards Denver is holding. It's pretty silly, probably mostly pointless and shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone who has been paying attention.

It's a non issue. Welcome to drama central, though.

Inkana7
09-05-2011, 06:21 PM
No, he knows that when he inevitably makes Tebow the #1 Qb, that the people who are bigoted against religion will all run away crying like children told to go clean their bedroom instead of playing outside.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Holy ****, you really think that is why people don't like Tebow!

Hahahahahahahaha!

bowtown
09-05-2011, 06:48 PM
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Holy ****, you really think that is why people don't like Tebow!

Hahahahahahahaha!

He also thinks it's why people don't like him. The martyr complex is strong with this one, it is.

GreatBronco16
09-05-2011, 07:07 PM
Like this really fing matters. All the teams know from last year about 'special' packages for Tebow. They know they are going play him depending on how the game is going.

It's not like naming Tebow #2 is going to make all other teams on our schedule flip out thinking that now they have to plan for Tebow.


Fox should have named a #2 no matter what. Whether he thought Tebow or Quinn to have 'won' the job or not, he should have named one. He isn't fooling any of the other coaches out there.

GreatBronco16
09-05-2011, 07:10 PM
Wow some of you fans in this thread have no ****en clue.

This year is different they can play all 3 QBs on gameday if they wanted and wouldn't have to worry about last years rules, so they have a advantage competitively, they don't have to announce anything.

Making a big deal about really nothing....

EpicFail should stop posting hes so bad and than the others in this thread wow horrible.

STFU and enjoy what Fox is doing for this defense. Let Orton work with an actual offense and an offense that never runs the ball....


No clue on what you said here. Knowing how to structure sentenses should be a requirement to post on a message board for crying out loud.

CEH
09-05-2011, 07:15 PM
Like this really fing matters. All the teams know from last year about 'special' packages for Tebow. They know they are going play him depending on how the game is going.

It's not like naming Tebow #2 is going to make all other teams on our schedule flip out thinking that now they have to plan for Tebow.


Fox should have named a #2 no matter what. Whether he thought Tebow or Quinn to have 'won' the job or not, he should have named one. He isn't fooling any of the other coaches out there.

I get you. Fox said in the last preseason he wasn't going to name the #2 for competitive purposes. Really John for the last preseason game we can't find out a schedule of play because you need the upperhand to beat a bunch of cell phone salemans. This is getting ridiculous.

Any other teams doing this? Will this now be commonplace?

bowtown
09-05-2011, 07:17 PM
Game of inches.

GreatBronco16
09-05-2011, 07:18 PM
This is getting ridiculous.

Any other teams doing this? Will this now be commonplace?


No, it's just going to be something for the media to attach to showing that Denver isn't even smart enough to figure out who's better, Quinn or Tebow.

Blueflame
09-05-2011, 07:27 PM
Is this a ****ing joke? What the **** Fox?

I'm really starting to have my doubts about this guy...

You're "starting to" have doubts about Fox? ??? Dude you've been b*tching incessantly about Fox for weeks now.

Ironlung
09-05-2011, 07:53 PM
No, it's just going to be something for the media to attach to showing that Denver isn't even smart enough to figure out who's better, Quinn or Tebow.

This.

Shananahan
09-05-2011, 08:28 PM
No, it's just going to be something for the media to attach to showing that Denver isn't even smart enough to figure out who's better, Quinn or Tebow.
And you getting worried and upset about how it'll be reported is exactly what the media would be hoping for. Why do you care at all about whatever drivel they churn out to keep their schedule full, anyway?

After the first game or two it will probably become quite obvious who the 'backup' QB is.

peacepipe
09-06-2011, 05:46 AM
It's a stupid move, but I don't get why people are acting all butthurt about it. Quinn had played better then Tebow after three preseason games, played like crap the 4th game and now people think he should automatically be third string?

The team is screwed either way if Orton gets hurt. I have no confidence in either Tebow or Quinn being able to consistently lead the offense.what you got to understand is with tebownites like ageminmom,tebow could've thrown 20 INTs all returned for TDs & he will still say tebow was the best QB during pre-season.

That One Guy
09-06-2011, 06:06 AM
For some reason I saw a lot of people suspect him of being that McGruder guy

I just got the impression thats something he could do, I dunno though

Agamemnon is definitely MacGruder.

That One Guy
09-06-2011, 06:07 AM
No, I was at a resort on vacation... but whatever

So that's how you take so many "vacations".

"Vacation" actually means banned.

That One Guy
09-06-2011, 06:08 AM
Oh, and I don't know what was worse. That I was bored enough to read this whole thread or that you were bored enough to have the conversation.

AlphaSeirra
09-06-2011, 09:00 AM
what you got to understand is with tebownites like ageminmom,tebow could've thrown 20 INTs all returned for TDs & he will still say tebow was the best QB during pre-season.

As Sgt. Friday always said; "Just the facts ma'am."

Scam Newton Panthers Preseason: 24 of 57 (42.1%) with one TD.
That was good enough to see ole Scam named the starter over the Fox's 3 TD's to 9 Ints, Jimmy da Pickle.

Brady Quinn - 22 of 42 (52.4%) for 276 yds (6.6 ypa) 2 TD's, 2 Ints, Long 26 yds, QB Rating 69.1

Kyle Orton - 28 of 42 (66.7%) for 408 yds, (9.7 ypa) 2 TD's, 1 Int, Long 42 yds, QB Rating 104.1

Tim Tebow - 20 of 31 (64.5%) for 310 yds, (10.0 ypa) 1 TD, 0 Int, Long 43 yds, QB Rating 108.3 <---<<<
(and Tim did that with the backups and scrubs, not with the Bronco 1st teamers)


Conclusions: (as easy as 1-2-3)

1. Orton has obviously 'earned' the starting job in the Bronco's 'FAIR' QB competition. LOL

2. And as anyone can see by comparing their on the field performance;
Quinn is just as good as Tebow. LOL

3. Demonstrating the Broncos usual winning logic...... ;)

So much for any 'fair' QB competitions....Ha!

This has a lot more to do with contracts and politics than any semblance of fairness of who would be better long term for the Broncos imoho. :wave:

jhns
09-06-2011, 09:35 AM
LOL @ the depth chart. Yay for another front office that likes playing childish games!

BroncoInferno
09-06-2011, 09:42 AM
I don't really see how keeping the #2 a secret is any kind of competitive advantage. At least not in our case. Since the #3 can be active, I imagine most of our opponents will practice under the assumption that Tebow - whether #2 or #3 - will get into the game in special packages at some point. I don't see how any opponent would treat preparation for Orton much differently than they would for Quinn.

On the other hand, it isn't really harmful to play things this way. The people who are up in arms over this are just pissed because they want to know with certitude that Tebow is the backup, and if he isn't, they want to be able to b**** and moan about it. So, instead they'll have to settle for b****ing and moaning about the not knowing.

Requiem
09-06-2011, 09:46 AM
MacGruder = AlphaSeirra?

GreatBronco16
09-06-2011, 10:04 AM
And you getting worried and upset about how it'll be reported is exactly what the media would be hoping for. Why do you care at all about whatever drivel they churn out to keep their schedule full, anyway?

After the first game or two it will probably become quite obvious who the 'backup' QB is.

Wait, now I'm getting upset and I'm worried? Is that your response to everyone who makes a simple comment around here that doesn't jive with you? I'm not worried either way, I just think it's stupid and doesn't serve any purpose.

Now if that is me being all upset and worried, then by God, I guess I'm worried. According to you.

Circle Orange
09-06-2011, 10:12 AM
LOL, that's nuts.

Peanut Butter or Jelly?

Paper or Plastic?

You can go with this...or you can go with that...you can go with, THIS, or you can go with THAT...http://scosoft.com/s/k/13d7178d.gif

Sheesh...Jellyfish rule! http://scosoft.com/s/r/dcb1422.gif

vonqkilla
09-06-2011, 10:18 AM
Legwold said brady q is the real backup.

Smart!!!

Circle Orange
09-06-2011, 10:27 AM
I have an idea...they should do an oil posedown in the conference room/press area. Votes go to the winner! Plus, there's the added benefit of bringing even more ladies to the games. ;)

Shananahan
09-06-2011, 10:42 AM
Wait, now I'm getting upset and I'm worried? Is that your response to everyone who makes a simple comment around here that doesn't jive with you? I'm not worried either way, I just think it's stupid and doesn't serve any purpose.

Now if that is me being all upset and worried, then by God, I guess I'm worried. According to you.
Reading comprehension, man. I said that you getting worried is what the media 'would be hoping for' under your previous scenario. Never accused you of doing so.

Tombstone RJ
09-06-2011, 10:42 AM
http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/depth-chart.html

I'm not sure why people are troubled by this. The new NFL rules state that the team can have 3 QBs on the game day roster. Saying that Tebow and Quinn are both #2 is no big deal IMHO. Fox is stuck with 3 QBs and he's trying to make the best of it.

Smilin Assassin
09-06-2011, 11:15 AM
I'm not sure why people are troubled by this. The new NFL rules state that the team can have 3 QBs on the game day roster. Saying that Tebow and Quinn are both #2 is no big deal IMHO. Fox is stuck with 3 QBs and he's trying to make the best of it.

This.

Sometimes I wonder if Fox is messing w/the fans...

Fox: "Hey John, come in here a sec."

Elway: "What's up, coach?"

Fox: *Points to computer screen w/Depth chart on it*

Elway: (Laughs) "You're an ass. They're gonna lose it over on the 'Mane"

Fox: (Laughs) "This week will seem like forever. This helps pass the time."

Xanders: (Laughs) "What are we laughing at, guys?"

Fox/Elway: "Shut up, Meg."

AlphaSeirra
09-08-2011, 08:54 AM
MacGruder = AlphaSeirra?


Requiem = Wrong again-ignorant Moron! :P

StugotsIII
09-08-2011, 09:02 AM
It does matter. Any depth chart that says:

#1. Orton

Is wrong.

Who would you start and why?

Dagmar
09-08-2011, 09:08 AM
Who would you start and why?

Ha!

I'm glad you asked, this has definitely NOT been covered.

StugotsIII
09-08-2011, 09:30 AM
Ha!

I'm glad you asked, this has definitely NOT been covered.

Oh…sorry…


I don't hang on every single word the internet QB expert says...

TheReverend
09-08-2011, 09:38 AM
Who would you start and why?

I would start Tebow because:

1. He outperformed Orton last season

2. He's looked good in the limited public action we've seen so far

3. Dramatically the most physically gifted QB on the roster

Probably MOST importantly:

4. HAS to be accounted for by DCs. DE's playing contain aren't nearly as effective rushing the passer. LB's spying aren't nearly as good in pass or run D. CB's giving an extra look into the backfield to see if he's running aren't as good in coverage.

Almost as important and the most important long-term:

5. We NEED to know if he can play. We need that answer this year.

TheReverend
09-08-2011, 09:39 AM
Oh…sorry…


I don't hang on every single word the internet QB expert says...

Reasons you're acting like a douche:

None

^5

StugotsIII
09-08-2011, 09:45 AM
Reasons you're acting like a douche:

None

^5

Awwwwe….

You are a sensitive QB expert, aren't you?

Actually, I'm just tired of reading you lose it whenever anyone says anything good about Orton and/or anything bad about Tebow.

AlphaSeirra
09-08-2011, 09:46 AM
So simple that even a little (not brain dead) child could understand it.....
(2011 Preseason Stats)

2nd Year Tebow (with scrubs)

Passing - 20 of 31, 64.5%, 310 yds, 15.5 yds/comp, 1 TD, 0 Ints, Lg 43 yds,
QB Pass Efficiency Rating = 108.3 <-----------<<<< Best of the Broncos

Rushing - 8 for 55 yds, 6.9 ypc, Long 19 yds. --- 6.9 ypc Best of the Broncos

>>>> Total (scrubs) Offense - On 39 plays, 365 yds, 9.4 yds/play with 1 TD and ZERO turnovers.
* Most Productive Bronco QB per play, passing or running -- PLUS ZERO TURNOVERS!
======================

7th Year Orton (with 1st team)

Passing - 28 of 42, 66.7%, 408 yds, 14.4 yds/comp, 2 TD's, 1 Ints, Lg 42 yds,
QB Pass Efficiency Rating = 104.1

Rushing - 1 for 4 yds

Total Offense - On 43 plays, 412 yds, 9.5 yds/play with 2 TD's and 1 turnover.
======================

5th Year Quinn

Passing - 22 of 42, >>> 52.4% <<<, 276 yds, 12.3 yds/comp, 2 TD's, 2 Ints, Lg 26 yds.
QB Pass Efficiency Rating = 69.1

Rushing - NADA

Total Offense - On 42 plays, 276 yds, 6.6 yds/play, 2 TD's and 2 turnovers.
LOL
=======================

Bronco True-isms: (Staff - Media Morons - Some idiot Fans)

1. Tim 64.5% is an inaccurate passer, >>> Quinn 52.4%. ROFL!

2. Tim is a very weak armed passer, everyone has always known that haven't they?

Tebow 10.0 ypa, 15.5 yds/comp, Long 43 yds. :strong:

Orton 9.7 ypa, 14.4 yds/comp, Long 42 yds.

Quinn 6.6 ypa, 12.3 yds/comp, Long 26 yds.
=========================

The final Tab for the Losers & Liars is just, 'what it is' --- it has nothing to do with 'who' reports on it..... :wave:

See the actual 'On The Field' facts/stats, or continue with your well biased (idiot) delusions..... ^5

That said, I don't really care who starts or who is called the #2.
I also don't care if Tebow is played, benched, or traded.
Because NONE of that will really affect Tim's Long Term NFL success imoho.

My own True-ism,,,, Use-um or Lose-um! :sunshine:

TheReverend
09-08-2011, 09:47 AM
Awwwwe….

You are a sensitive QB expert, aren't you?

Actually, I'm just tired of reading you lose it whenever anyone says anything good about Orton and/or anything bad about Tebow.

Yes, I'm extremely sensitive. Please stop before I burst into tears because not only do I greatly care about your opinion, I even know who you are.

You asked me my opinion, not the other way around.

StugotsIII
09-08-2011, 09:47 AM
I would start Tebow because:

1. He outperformed Orton last season

2. He's looked good in the limited public action we've seen so far

3. Dramatically the most physically gifted QB on the roster

Probably MOST importantly:

4. HAS to be accounted for by DCs. DE's playing contain aren't nearly as effective rushing the passer. LB's spying aren't nearly as good in pass or run D. CB's giving an extra look into the backfield to see if he's running aren't as good in coverage.

Almost as important and the most important long-term:

5. We NEED to know if he can play. We need that answer this year.


Do you really think the professionals that get payed to make these decisions don't know what they are doing? I mean…if they fail they lose their jobs. So don't they WANT to play the best players on the team?

With that said…why would they play Orton over Tebow?

TheReverend
09-08-2011, 09:47 AM
Do you really think the professionals that get payed to make these decisions don't know what they are doing? I mean…if they fail they lose their jobs. So don't they WANT to play the best players on the team?

With that said…why would they play Orton over Tebow?

Payed

Keep up the good work!

StugotsIII
09-08-2011, 09:48 AM
Yes, I'm extremely sensitive. Please stop before I burst into tears because not only do I greatly care about your opinion, I even know who you are.

You asked me my opinion, not the other way around.

You cared enough to respond to me multiple times, call me names and include multiple emoticons.

You also go NUTS every time someone mentions the Bronco QB situation…yeah, your not sensitive.

StugotsIII
09-08-2011, 09:49 AM
Payed

Keep up the good work!

LOL….now you are resorting to pointing out misspelled words?


You really are an internet champion.

StugotsIII
09-08-2011, 09:51 AM
So simple that even a little (not brain dead) child could understand it.....
(2011 Preseason Stats)

2nd Year Tebow (with scrubs)

Passing - 20 of 31, 64.5%, 310 yds, 15.5 yds/comp, 1 TD, 0 Ints, Lg 43 yds,
QB Pass Efficiency Rating = 108.3 <-----------<<<< Best of the Broncos

Rushing - 8 for 55 yds, 6.9 ypc, Long 19 yds. --- 6.9 ypc Best of the Broncos

>>>> Total (scrubs) Offense - On 39 plays, 365 yds, 9.4 yds/play with 1 TD and ZERO turnovers.
* Most Productive Bronco QB per play, passing or running -- PLUS ZERO TURNOVERS!
======================

7th Year Orton (with 1st team)

Passing - 28 of 42, 66.7%, 408 yds, 14.4 yds/comp, 2 TD's, 1 Ints, Lg 42 yds,
QB Pass Efficiency Rating = 104.1

Rushing - 1 for 4 yds

Total Offense - On 43 plays, 412 yds, 9.5 yds/play with 2 TD's and 1 turnover.
======================

5th Year Quinn

Passing - 22 of 42, >>> 52.4% <<<, 276 yds, 12.3 yds/comp, 2 TD's, 2 Ints, Lg 26 yds.
QB Pass Efficiency Rating = 69.1

Rushing - NADA

Total Offense - On 42 plays, 276 yds, 6.6 yds/play, 2 TD's and 2 turnovers.
LOL
=======================

Bronco True-isms: (Staff - Media Morons - Some idiot Fans)

1. Tim 64.5% is an inaccurate passer, >>> Quinn 52.4%. ROFL!

2. Tim is a very weak armed passer, everyone has always known that haven't they?

Tebow 10.0 ypa, 15.5 yds/comp, Long 43 yds. :strong:

Orton 9.7 ypa, 14.4 yds/comp, Long 42 yds.

Quinn 6.6 ypa, 12.3 yds/comp, Long 26 yds.
=========================

The final Tab for the Losers & Liars is just, 'what it is' --- it has nothing to do with 'who' reports on it..... :wave:

See the actual 'On The Field' facts/stats, or continue with your well biased (idiot) delusions..... ^5

That said, I don't really care who starts or who is called the #2.
I also don't care if Tebow is played, benched, or traded.
Because NONE of that will really affect Tim's Long Term NFL success imoho.

My own True-ism,,,, Use-um or Lose-um! :sunshine:

So you are impressed by Tebow putting up stats against vanilla defenses playing 3rd/4th stringers in the preseason?

jhns
09-08-2011, 09:53 AM
Awwwwe….

You are a sensitive QB expert, aren't you?

Actually, I'm just tired of reading you lose it whenever anyone says anything good about Orton and/or anything bad about Tebow.

You call him sensitive right before you start crying. Nice one.

TheReverend
09-08-2011, 09:54 AM
You cared enough to respond to me multiple times, call me names and include multiple emoticons.

You also go NUTS every time someone mentions the Bronco QB situation…yeah, your not sensitive.

...what?

This is you asking me my opinion:

Who would you start and why?

This is you claiming you already don't know it:

Oh…sorry…


I don't hang on every single word the internet QB expert says...

Then immediately after this is you claiming you do know it, and clearly do hang on my every single word:

Awwwwe….

You are a sensitive QB expert, aren't you?

Actually, I'm just tired of reading you lose it whenever anyone says anything good about Orton and/or anything bad about Tebow.


Soooooooooooooooooooo yeah

I think going "NUTS" is reflective of one of us here, and it isn't me kiddo.

Nice try though ^5

Dedhed
09-08-2011, 09:55 AM
Actually, I'm just tired of reading you lose it whenever anyone says anything good about Orton and/or anything bad about Tebow.

If you're tired of reading it, why would you ask him to outline it again?

jhns
09-08-2011, 09:57 AM
Do you really think the professionals that get payed to make these decisions don't know what they are doing? I mean…if they fail they lose their jobs. So don't they WANT to play the best players on the team?

With that said…why would they play Orton over Tebow?

Is that a real question? Have you looked at the performances by QBs on a Fox run team? Are you really saying NFL head coaches don't make the wrong decisions after the past two years here? Lastly, are you really saying the best player always plays after what we just went through with Hillis?

In other words, yes, coaches do make bad decisions.

TheReverend
09-08-2011, 09:58 AM
If you're tired of reading it, why would you ask him to outline it again?

...and claim you're asking because you don't know? Ha!

StugotsIII
09-08-2011, 09:58 AM
...what?

This is you asking me my opinion:



This is you claiming you already don't know it:



Then immediately after this is you claiming you do know it, and clearly do hang on my every single word:




Soooooooooooooooooooo yeah

I think going "NUTS" is reflective of one of us here, and it isn't me kiddo.

Nice try though ^5




LOL….yeah….anyway….


Orton is the starter and gives the Broncos the best chance to win.


I'll side with a head coach in the NFL who has a ton of experience and has been to a super bowl over an internet QB expert who is sitting behind the warm glow of his mommies computer.

TheReverend
09-08-2011, 10:00 AM
LOL….yeah….anyway….


Orton is the starter and gives the Broncos the best chance to win.


I'll side with a head coach in the NFL who has a ton of experience and has been to a super bowl over an internet QB expert who is sitting behind the warm glow of his mommies computer.

Awesome.

Another "I'll just champion every decision made by the coach and FO" poster. That worked out great for McDaniels fans.

...Why are you on a discussion message board if you have no independent thoughts?

Sweet "burns" though.

StugotsIII
09-08-2011, 10:01 AM
Is that a real question? Have you looked at the performances by QBs on a Fox run team? Are you really saying NFL head coaches don't make the wrong decisions after the past two years here? Lastly, are you really saying the best player always plays after what we just went through with Hillis?

In other words, yes, coaches do make bad decisions.

I'm saying I'll side with the professionals instead of internet know-it-alls.

And if Orton is as bad as everyone thinks he is….what does that say about Tebow?

StugotsIII
09-08-2011, 10:04 AM
Awesome.

Another "I'll just champion every decision made by the coach and FO" poster. That worked out great for McDaniels fans.

...Why are you on a discussion message board if you have no independent thoughts?

Sweet "burns" though.

Typically I come here to get news about the team…


I don't put much stock into what trolls like you have to say, however you are typically the loudest child when it comes to the QB's…


I for one think Orton is the best starter on the team and Tebow will play this year and help the team win in a goal line situation.


I just don't understand the hatred of Orton. I know plenty of Bear fans that want him and their draft picks back.

jhns
09-08-2011, 10:05 AM
I'm saying I'll side with the professionals instead of internet know-it-alls.

And if Orton is as bad as everyone thinks he is….what does that say about Tebow?

We already knew you aren't able to think for yourself. This was obvious way before you posted this reply.

Do people still wonder why I have laughed at McFans for oltwo years now? You just can't beat the stupidity.

Ironlung
09-08-2011, 10:09 AM
Do you really think the professionals that get payed to make these decisions don't know what they are doing? So don't they WANT to play the best players on the team?

So why didn't Hillis play then?

Ironlung
09-08-2011, 10:11 AM
So you are impressed by Tebow putting up stats against vanilla defenses playing 3rd/4th stringers in the preseason?

I am. Denver's offensive line depth is GARBAGE. He was under pressure from the snap and performed well. Can you imagine what Orton would of looked like behind that line?Hilarious!

TheReverend
09-08-2011, 10:17 AM
Typically I come here to get news about the team…


I don't put much stock into what trolls like you have to say, however you are typically the loudest child when it comes to the QB's…


I for one think Orton is the best starter on the team and Tebow will play this year and help the team win in a goal line situation.


I just don't understand the hatred of Orton. I know plenty of Bear fans that want him and their draft picks back.

...I'm sorry, what?

You lied about not knowing my opinion and asked anyway just to try and take a few name-calling pot shots.

I answered with my opinion, you decided not to respond to any of my points and instead start a little baby flame war.

...but I'M the troll?

Ha! Gtfo

AlphaSeirra
09-08-2011, 11:01 AM
So you are impressed by Tebow putting up stats against vanilla defenses playing 3rd/4th stringers in the preseason?

And remember, your dumb bs vanilla asked for the rest of this CORRECT info. ;)

WoW! So now you just invalidated what ANY player has done in the preseason?
Or does you bs only apply to what Tim did in the 4 game preseason?
He was also using Denver's 3rd/4th stringers to get his stats, or would you like to ingore that fact also?

And oh btw, why do you suppose that they even keep all of those TOTALLY MEANINGLESS preseason stats?
================

Don't look now, but in the 'real games' from last season:

Tebow .333 winning %

Orton .231 winning %

L - Orton/Broncos @ Denver 14 - 59 Oakland (-45 Orton at Home)
L - Tebow/Broncos 23 - 39 @ Oakland (-16 Tebow's 1st NFL start in the Black Hole)

Orton failed to score 21 pts in 9 of his 13 starts in 2010, 17, 13, 17, 20, 14, 16, 14, 6, 13.
Tebow NEVER FAILED to score at least 23 pts in his 3 starts, 23, 24, 28, and averaged 25 pts per game.
Rookie Tim's 25 pts/gm was good for 7th in the NFL last season.
6th Year NFL Vet Orton was good for 20th in pts/gm.
LOL

Tebow had 1 TD per 11.4 plays.
Kyle Orton had 1 TD per 26.0 plays.
* Just for an outside point of reference - Big Ben had 1 TD per 14.4 plays.

In 13 games, Orton with Pro Bowl WR Brandon Lloyd - 18.3 ypr with 1 TD per 7 receptions.
In 3 games, Tebow with Pro Bowl WR Brandon Lloyd - 18.8 ypr with 1 TD per 7 receptions.
And please keep in mind that those are 7th year NFL Vet, to a raw rookie at QB comparisons.
=================

By the end of the 1st quarter in his 1st NFL start in the Black Hole at Oakland, Tebow had joined Kordell Stewart and Michael Vick as the only 3 QB's in NFL HISTORY to run for a 40-yard TD (on a 3rd and 24) and THROW for a 30+ yard TD (33) in the same game.Tim was 8 of 16 for 138 yds, 17.25 yds/comp with a TD and zero Ints, giving him a 100.5 QB Rating.
That 100.5 was an NFL BEST for any Rookie QB's 1st start in 2010.

Tebow posted his first NFL win (2nd Start) when he rallied the Broncos from a 13-point fourth-quarter deficit to a 24-23 win over the Houston Texans. For Tim's 2nd start, they let him throw the ball more and he went 16 of 29 for 308 yds, 19.3 yds/comp for an 89.4 Passer rating. Tebow guided Denver to three TD's and a FG on the Broncos' four second-half possessions. Denver had trailed 17-0 at halftime.
Tebow's first 'come from behind 4th quarter win' came in just his 2nd NFL rookie start.

Tim's 3rd rookie start @ SD was a close 5 pts loss (28-33) to a much better team.
Tim combined for 299 yds of total offense with 2 passing TD's and 1 rushing TD.
===================

2010 Rookie QB NFL Passer Ratings:

1. Tebow - 82.1 - 5 TD's to 3 Int's, Ratio 1.64 to 1.

2. Bradford 76.5 - 18 TD's to 15 Int's, Ratio 1.2 to 1.
3. McCoy - 74.5 - 6 TD's to 9 Int's, Ratio .64 to 1.
4. Clausen 58.4 - 3 TD's to 9 Int's, Ratio .33 to 1.

Other Bronco Rookie Season QB Comparisons:
~ K.Orton - 59.7 - 9 TD's to 13 Int's, Ratio .69 to 1.
~ B.Quinn - 56.8 - 0 TD's to 0 Int's.
~ J.Elway - 54.9, 7 TD's to 14 Int's, Ratio .50 to 1

Tebow also ran the ball 43 times for 227 yds, 5.3 ypc with 1 fum, 0 lost poss.
As a Rookie, Bucs All Pro FB Mike Alstott averaged 3.9 ypc with 4 fumbles, 2 lost poss.
So if you combined both Elway & Alstott as Rookies, Tebow performed better than both of them combined.

But Tim didn't just outperform Orton in the Passing game, he's got another talent that very few to ever play in the NFL had, or currently has.

Tim finished his limited use rookie season on the ground:
~ First with 5.3 YPC (Min. 40 attempts, includes all 2010 NFL rookies, any position)
PLUS
~ Tied for 2nd among NFL rookies (all positions) with 6 Rushing TD's.
PLUS
~ Tied for 6th in Total TD's (6r-5p = 11).
~ 7th in Rushing 1st downs.
~ 9th in Rushing yards.
~ But only 10th in number of carries, (9 players had more carries).

NO ROOKIE QB IN NFL HISTORY HAS THESE STATS!
~ On 1st and goal, 2 carries for 2 TD's.
~ On 2nd and goal, 2 carries for 2 TD's.
~ On 3rd and goal, 1 carry for 1 TD.
~ His other (6th) rushing TD was also on 3rd down but it went for 40 yards, a Broncos QB team record.

** When the Broncos were behind, he ran 25 times for 176 yds, 7.0 ypc and 5 TD's.
================

So, how about yet another brain dead vanilla response from ya.... :wave:

StugotsIII
09-08-2011, 01:12 PM
And remember, your dumb bs vanilla asked for the rest of this CORRECT info. ;)

WoW! So now you just invalidated what ANY player has done in the preseason?
Or does you bs only apply to what Tim did in the 4 game preseason?
He was also using Denver's 3rd/4th stringers to get his stats, or would you like to ingore that fact also?

And oh btw, why do you suppose that they even keep all of those TOTALLY MEANINGLESS preseason stats?
================

Don't look now, but in the 'real games' from last season:

Tebow .333 winning %

Orton .231 winning %

L - Orton/Broncos @ Denver 14 - 59 Oakland (-45 Orton at Home)
L - Tebow/Broncos 23 - 39 @ Oakland (-16 Tebow's 1st NFL start in the Black Hole)

Orton failed to score 21 pts in 9 of his 13 starts in 2010, 17, 13, 17, 20, 14, 16, 14, 6, 13.
Tebow NEVER FAILED to score at least 23 pts in his 3 starts, 23, 24, 28, and averaged 25 pts per game.
Rookie Tim's 25 pts/gm was good for 7th in the NFL last season.
6th Year NFL Vet Orton was good for 20th in pts/gm.
LOL

Tebow had 1 TD per 11.4 plays.
Kyle Orton had 1 TD per 26.0 plays.
* Just for an outside point of reference - Big Ben had 1 TD per 14.4 plays.

In 13 games, Orton with Pro Bowl WR Brandon Lloyd - 18.3 ypr with 1 TD per 7 receptions.
In 3 games, Tebow with Pro Bowl WR Brandon Lloyd - 18.8 ypr with 1 TD per 7 receptions.
And please keep in mind that those are 7th year NFL Vet, to a raw rookie at QB comparisons.
=================

By the end of the 1st quarter in his 1st NFL start in the Black Hole at Oakland, Tebow had joined Kordell Stewart and Michael Vick as the only 3 QB's in NFL HISTORY to run for a 40-yard TD (on a 3rd and 24) and THROW for a 30+ yard TD (33) in the same game.Tim was 8 of 16 for 138 yds, 17.25 yds/comp with a TD and zero Ints, giving him a 100.5 QB Rating.
That 100.5 was an NFL BEST for any Rookie QB's 1st start in 2010.

Tebow posted his first NFL win (2nd Start) when he rallied the Broncos from a 13-point fourth-quarter deficit to a 24-23 win over the Houston Texans. For Tim's 2nd start, they let him throw the ball more and he went 16 of 29 for 308 yds, 19.3 yds/comp for an 89.4 Passer rating. Tebow guided Denver to three TD's and a FG on the Broncos' four second-half possessions. Denver had trailed 17-0 at halftime.
Tebow's first 'come from behind 4th quarter win' came in just his 2nd NFL rookie start.

Tim's 3rd rookie start @ SD was a close 5 pts loss (28-33) to a much better team.
Tim combined for 299 yds of total offense with 2 passing TD's and 1 rushing TD.
===================

2010 Rookie QB NFL Passer Ratings:

1. Tebow - 82.1 - 5 TD's to 3 Int's, Ratio 1.64 to 1.

2. Bradford 76.5 - 18 TD's to 15 Int's, Ratio 1.2 to 1.
3. McCoy - 74.5 - 6 TD's to 9 Int's, Ratio .64 to 1.
4. Clausen 58.4 - 3 TD's to 9 Int's, Ratio .33 to 1.

Other Bronco Rookie Season QB Comparisons:
~ K.Orton - 59.7 - 9 TD's to 13 Int's, Ratio .69 to 1.
~ B.Quinn - 56.8 - 0 TD's to 0 Int's.
~ J.Elway - 54.9, 7 TD's to 14 Int's, Ratio .50 to 1

Tebow also ran the ball 43 times for 227 yds, 5.3 ypc with 1 fum, 0 lost poss.
As a Rookie, Bucs All Pro FB Mike Alstott averaged 3.9 ypc with 4 fumbles, 2 lost poss.
So if you combined both Elway & Alstott as Rookies, Tebow performed better than both of them combined.

But Tim didn't just outperform Orton in the Passing game, he's got another talent that very few to ever play in the NFL had, or currently has.

Tim finished his limited use rookie season on the ground:
~ First with 5.3 YPC (Min. 40 attempts, includes all 2010 NFL rookies, any position)
PLUS
~ Tied for 2nd among NFL rookies (all positions) with 6 Rushing TD's.
PLUS
~ Tied for 6th in Total TD's (6r-5p = 11).
~ 7th in Rushing 1st downs.
~ 9th in Rushing yards.
~ But only 10th in number of carries, (9 players had more carries).

NO ROOKIE QB IN NFL HISTORY HAS THESE STATS!
~ On 1st and goal, 2 carries for 2 TD's.
~ On 2nd and goal, 2 carries for 2 TD's.
~ On 3rd and goal, 1 carry for 1 TD.
~ His other (6th) rushing TD was also on 3rd down but it went for 40 yards, a Broncos QB team record.

** When the Broncos were behind, he ran 25 times for 176 yds, 7.0 ypc and 5 TD's.
================

So, how about yet another brain dead vanilla response from ya.... :wave:

So Tebow is better than Elway?


Hahahahahahahahahaha

OABB
09-08-2011, 01:28 PM
So Tebow is better than Elway?


Hahahahahahahahahaha

what? are people this stupid?

strafen
09-08-2011, 01:39 PM
So Tebow is better than Elway?


HahahahahahahahahahaThat's not what he's saying. Try again...
Read slow and try to analyze a little more in-depth. You'll see it...

StugotsIII
09-08-2011, 01:43 PM
That's not what he's saying. Try again...
Read slow and try to analyze a little more in-depth. You'll see it...

No...I get it...


Tebow is literally God's gift to quarter backs and internet posters know more than NFL head coaches, offensive coordinators, and position coaches.


(enter Peyton Hillis comment here)

TheReverend
09-08-2011, 01:46 PM
^ Strong troll, ITT

StugotsIII
09-08-2011, 01:48 PM
^ Strong troll, ITT

^strong QB troll.


In every single thread about a QB, you will find "the reverend" in there pissing and moaning that Tebow isn't starting...

jhns
09-08-2011, 01:50 PM
No...I get it...


Tebow is literally God's gift to quarter backs and internet posters know more than NFL head coaches, offensive coordinators, and position coaches.


(enter Peyton Hillis comment here)

I called every single McDaniels failure while they were happening. I would say I know a lot more than anyone that was on this staff last season.

I get it though, you aren't able to think for yourself. We call this condition "retardation".

TheReverend
09-08-2011, 01:50 PM
^strong QB troll.


In every single thread about a QB, you will find "the reverend" in there pissing and moaning that Tebow isn't starting...

...including mainly when someone specifically asks Ha!

StugotsIII
09-08-2011, 01:55 PM
I called every single McDaniels failure while they were happening. I would say I know a lot more than anyone that was on this staff last season.

I get it though, you aren't able to think for yourself. We call this condition "retardation".

Look at you, having a big day.

jhns
09-08-2011, 01:56 PM
Look at you, having a big day.

Is that supposed to make sense?

OABB
09-08-2011, 02:00 PM
No...I get it...


Tebow is literally God's gift to quarter backs and internet posters know more than NFL head coaches, offensive coordinators, and position coaches.


(enter Peyton Hillis comment here)

he posted stats. actual stats. are you trolling or are you really this ****ing stupid? like tgn stupid..

StugotsIII
09-08-2011, 02:01 PM
Is that supposed to make sense?

You seem like a smart guy...based on your own opinion of yourself...you figure it out. LOL

StugotsIII
09-08-2011, 02:03 PM
he posted stats. actual stats. are you trolling or are you really this ****ing stupid? like tgn stupid..

There is more to the game that stats...


Tebow isn't ready to start.

jhns
09-08-2011, 02:05 PM
You seem like a smart guy...based on your own opinion of yourself...you figure it out. LOL

I am far too smart to figure out what a retarded chick means with such a vague statement. You will have to explain it to those of us with brains.

StugotsIII
09-08-2011, 02:08 PM
I am far too smart to figure out what a retarded chick means with such a vague statement. You will have to explain it to those of us with brains.

LOL...


Just so I have it right...


You are TOO smart to figure out what I said...so you have to have it explained to you?


Holy **** dude, you are dumber than a box of hammers.

jhns
09-08-2011, 02:09 PM
LOL...


Just so I have it right...


You are TOO smart to figure out what I said...so you have to have it explained to you?


Holy **** dude, you are dumber than a box of hammers.

So you can't even make sense of what you said? Go figure.

TheReverend
09-08-2011, 02:09 PM
http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/10/15/129001077322332576.jpg

OABB
09-08-2011, 02:10 PM
There is more to the game that stats...


Tebow isn't ready to start.

I think the stats show that he is, indeed ready. hes going to struggle and wont always look great. he is young, raw and has had three different headcoaches in less than a year.

now here is where I need you to have a brain for a second....


with the fact that he is young and raw and still learning, his stats show he is at worst the same as our 9million dollar starter and in reality, he is actually outperforming him.

so.....do you go with the raw guy who is already better or at worst the same now or stick with the guy who is being outperformed?

OABB
09-08-2011, 02:12 PM
and before you answer with your hateboner, really think about it.

StugotsIII
09-08-2011, 02:15 PM
I think the stats show that he is, indeed ready. hes going to struggle and wont always look great. he is young, raw and has had three different headcoaches in less than a year.

now here is where I need you to have a brain for a second....


with the fact that he is young and raw and still learning, his stats show he is at worst the same as our 9million dollar starter and in reality, he is actually outperforming him.

so.....do you go with the raw guy who is already better or at worst the same now or stick with the guy who is being outperformed?

Tebow's stats are a product of smoke and mirrors. How many screen passes did he throw in the preseason?

I think Tebow has a place on this team and can help them win...but not as a starter.

His stats are inflated and they are based on a VERY small amount of games played.

He had all of fall practice to win the starting job and struggled to hold off Brady Quinn for the backup job.

Also, the Bronco players don't seem to think there is a controversy and no one is clambering for Tebow to start except expert fans in love with him.

It would be one thing if Tebow could make it past one progression, but he can't...

jhns
09-08-2011, 02:17 PM
LOL

The retarded chick actually thinks she has talked to players. I wonder if she was talking to herself or was getting f'd by dudes claiming to be players.

StugotsIII
09-08-2011, 02:22 PM
LOL

The retarded chick actually thinks she has talked to players. I wonder if she was talking to herself or was getting f'd by dudes claiming to be players.

If you know SO much about football...why aren't you coaching in the NFL?

Dedhed
09-08-2011, 02:26 PM
No...I get it...

No, you don't.

jhns
09-08-2011, 02:26 PM
If you know SO much about football...why aren't you coaching in the NFL?

What does that response have to do with that post?

I'm not coaching because I have more important things to do with my time.

StugotsIII
09-08-2011, 02:27 PM
What does that response have to do with that post?

I'm not coaching because I have more important things to do with my time.

...like spending it here challenging Josh McDaniels and John Fox.


Yup...you are REALLY spending your time wisely.

jhns
09-08-2011, 02:29 PM
...like spending it here challenging Josh McDaniels and John Fox.


Yup...you are REALLY spending your time wisely.

I get paid a lot to tell you how dumb you are. You don't even know how true that last statement is.

StugotsIII
09-08-2011, 02:31 PM
I get paid a lot to tell you how dumb you are. You don't even know how true that last statement is.


Good job!


Really important stuff!!!

jhns
09-08-2011, 02:34 PM
Good job!


Really important stuff!!!

Thanks.

So, have you figured out what you were trying to say to me yet? Have you realized those dudes weren't really players?

StugotsIII
09-08-2011, 02:37 PM
Thanks.

So, have you figured out what you were trying to say to me yet? Have you realized those dudes weren't really players?

Yes...


I'm saying that I think it's funny that you are bragging about outsmarting Josh McDaniels.


That's like coming in 8th in the Special Olympics...

jhns
09-08-2011, 02:39 PM
Yes...


I'm saying that I think it's funny that you are bragging about outsmarting Josh McDaniels.


That's like coming in 8th in the Special Olympics...

Says one of his biggest supporters.

StugotsIII
09-08-2011, 02:42 PM
Says one of his biggest supporters.

Ummm....what?



I support Josh McDaniels?



You=Fail.

jhns
09-08-2011, 02:43 PM
Ummm....what?



I support Josh McDaniels?



You=Fail.

It is very obvious.

StugotsIII
09-08-2011, 02:45 PM
It is very obvious.

...and you get paid "a lot" do tell other people they are dumb?

jhns
09-08-2011, 02:45 PM
...and you get paid "a lot" do tell other people they are dumb?

True.

Tombstone RJ
09-08-2011, 02:46 PM
is a josh supporter like a jock supporter only with less support?

StugotsIII
09-08-2011, 02:55 PM
True.

Just so we are clear:

1. You have a better football mind than Josh McDaniels and his entire staff from the 2010 season?

2. You get paid money to tell people they are dumb?

jhns
09-08-2011, 02:57 PM
Just so we are clear:

1. You have a better football mind than Josh McDaniels and his entire staff from the 2010 season?

2. You get paid money to tell people they are dumb?

We have covered this multiple times now. I guess I get why you are having trouble understanding it, so we can cover it again.

Yes and yes.

StugotsIII
09-08-2011, 03:00 PM
We have covered this multiple times now. I guess I get why you are having trouble understanding it, so we can cover it again.

Yes and yes.

Sounds like you have real issues with insecurity.


Who else are you smarter than?

AlphaSeirra
09-09-2011, 09:30 AM
Sounds like you have real issues with insecurity.
Who else are you smarter than?

The following demonstrates the 'genius' of a Tebow hater moron:

1. -- "So Tebow is better than Elway? Hahahahahahahahahaha"

AS Response: The stats clearly show how each did as NFL 'Rookie QB's,' with the Broncos.
My 'opinion' is not necessary, just an ability to read.
Tebow - 82.1 - 5 TD's to 3 Int's, Ratio 1.64 to 1.
J.Elway - 54.9 - 7 TD's to 14 Int's, Ratio .50 to 1
And unlike Tim, John got a full pre-season to practice, then regular season practice with the 1st Team.

Tebow also ran the ball 43 times for 227 yds, 5.3 ypc with 1 fum, 0 lost poss.
As a Rookie, Bucs All Pro FB Mike Alstott averaged 3.9 ypc with 4 fumbles, 2 lost poss.
So if you combined both Elway & Alstott as Rookies, Tebow performed better than both of them combined.
PLUS
NO ROOKIE QB IN NFL HISTORY HAS THESE STATS! (Elway nor anyone else)
~ On 1st and goal, 2 carries for 2 TD's.
~ On 2nd and goal, 2 carries for 2 TD's.
~ On 3rd and goal, 1 carry for 1 TD.
~ His other (6th) rushing TD was also on 3rd down but it went for 40 yards, a Broncos QB team record.
** When the Broncos were behind, Tim ran 25 times for 176 yds, 7.0 ypc and 5 TD's.

Retorical - Are you really this stupid, or just the Troll that we all KNOW you to be?

2. - "There is more to the game that stats... Tebow isn't ready to start."

AS Response: Tim's Intangibles are one of his biggest attributes, you *$%#~head.
And with only 3 cold starts to end last season, Tim easily proved that he was a better QB & football player than Orton will ever be.
Tebow .333 winning %
Orton .231 winning %

L - Orton/Broncos @ Denver 14 - 59 Oakland (-45 Orton at Home)
L - Tebow/Broncos 23 - 39 @ Oakland (-16 Tim's 1st NFL start - Black Hole)

Orton failed to score 21 pts in 9 of his 13 starts in 2010, 17, 13, 17, 20, 14, 16, 14, 6, 13.
Tebow NEVER FAILED to score at least 23 pts in his 3 starts, 23, 24, 28, and averaged 25 pts per game.

Rookie Tim's 25 pts/gm was good for 7th in the NFL last season.
6th Year NFL Vet Orton was good for 20th in pts/gm.

3. - "In every single thread about a QB, you will find "the reverend" in there pissing and moaning that Tebow isn't starting..."

AS Response: In every single thread about a QB, you will find a moron Troll in here pissing and moaning that Tebow is:
not good enough or ready to be a starting NFL QB, and was drafted to high.
>>> NO MATTER THAT THE ACTUAL ON THE FIELD STATS CLEARLY PROVE OTHERWISE!

4. - "Tebow's stats are a product of smoke and mirrors. How many screen passes did he throw in the preseason?

Brady Quinn - 22 of 42 (52.4%) for 276 yds (6.6 ypa) 2 TD's, 2 Ints, Long 26 yds, QB Rating 69.1
COMPARE
Tim Tebow - 20 of 31 (64.5%) for 310 yds, (10.0 ypa) 1 TD, 0 Int, Long 43 yds, QB Rating 108.3 <---<<<

5. - "His stats are inflated and they are based on a VERY small amount of games played."

AS Response: His stats cover his three 2010 games and his four 2011 preseason games,,,,
and his CONSISTENT performance going all the way back to Pee-Wee football.

6. - "He had all of fall practice to win the starting job and struggled to hold off Brady Quinn for the backup job.

AS Response: He had a fall shortened lockout off season, and then little work with the 1st team in fall practice,
but that didn't stop this from occurring in the 4 preseason games:

5th Yr Brady Quinn - 22 of 42 (52.4%) for 276 yds (6.6 ypa) 2 TD's, 2 Ints, Long 26 yds, QB Rating 69.1
COMPARE
2nd Yr Tim Tebow --- 20 of 31 (64.5%) for 310 yds, (10.0 ypa) 1 TD, 0 Int, Long 43 yds, QB Rating 108.3 <<<

PS
Tim was only 'God's gift' to his family, the Gators and the Broncos just got lucky imoho..... :sunshine:

Rolandftw
09-09-2011, 12:20 PM
lol @ comparing Tebow to Alstott.

Keep cheering for those Gators!