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Slade
09-04-2011, 07:49 AM
The Colts jut cut him, I say we bring him in!

OrangeSe7en
09-04-2011, 09:02 AM
I wish I would have seen him more in preseason. Part of me thinks it could'nt hurt but then part of me thinks he's done and we'd be better using our energy and resources going in some other direction.

BroncoBuff
09-04-2011, 09:23 AM
Yes, yes, yes! I don't see much risk ... if he doesn't cut it, we can cut him.

But on the other hand, he could be this year's Kris Jenkins, a former All Pro every team is afraid to sign. I mentioned in another thread, the guy has 3 sacks in his last 3 games, regular season finale and the two playoff games.

The only relevant question should be: Are we, or can we, do better?

epicSocialism4tw
09-04-2011, 12:28 PM
Yes, yes, yes! I don't see much risk ... if he doesn't cut it, we can cut him.

But on the other hand, he could be this year's Kris Jenkins, a former All Pro every team is afraid to sign. I mentioned in another thread, the guy has 3 sacks in his last 3 games, regular season finale and the two playoff games.

The only relevant question should be: Are we, or can we, do better?

Apparently there was some internal issue between Harris and the Colts about his role on the team.

Harris in a situational role here would be a big time score.

Gcver2ver3
09-04-2011, 12:43 PM
Denver is going cheap this year...

even at his current level, he's still probably out of our price range...

broncosteven
09-04-2011, 12:43 PM
Harris has been and underperforming waste of space since duh bears paid him big money.

Then he got hurt and has never been the same guy. Last couple of years Lovie has been trying to motivate him but he has cared about as much as Albert Haynesworth.

I would go with youth at this point, all your getting with Harris is what he used to be able to do in the past.

Doggcow
09-04-2011, 12:46 PM
Sure. At the rate we're going thru them, we'll need him anyway.

epicSocialism4tw
09-04-2011, 12:54 PM
Denver is going cheap this year...

even at his current level, he's still probably out of our price range...

Yikes.

That wouldn't make me cringe if there wasn't a serious current of truth running through it.

bendog
09-04-2011, 12:58 PM
His leg is still not right. I'm not sure about the additude stuff.

http://blogs.indystar.com/philb/2011/09/03/best-guess-on-why-colts-cut-harris/

Aftermath
09-04-2011, 01:00 PM
No thanks.

broncos-rock
09-04-2011, 01:03 PM
i would rather have Cedric Thornton a promising dt prospect and the eagles just cut him.

epicSocialism4tw
09-04-2011, 01:10 PM
His leg is still not right. I'm not sure about the additude stuff.

http://blogs.indystar.com/philb/2011/09/03/best-guess-on-why-colts-cut-harris/

That's weird because in that article it says that the coaching staff apparently disbelieved that a hamstring injury he had was enough to keep him off the field...and it was clear that it was a sore subject with the coaching staff. It was enough of a problem that they eventually cut him to make a point to the rest of the young DT's.

Well, we don't need Tommie Harris to rub off on anyone except the opposing QB. We have a veteran defense with leadership already built in. I think he'd be a fit here.

TonyR
09-04-2011, 01:11 PM
i would rather have Cedric Thornton a promising dt prospect and the eagles just cut him.

Over Landri and Hargrove who they also cut?

Mogulseeker
09-04-2011, 01:14 PM
This is the guy who refused to pose for a photo in an article that Playboy did on college all-Americans.

3-time Pro Bowler... IDK, I like Vickerson as a rotation guy, but he'd be an upgrade.

broncos-rock
09-04-2011, 01:17 PM
Over Landri and Hargrove who they also cut?

Yep, younger with more upside. someone we could develop and he has a great motor.

epicSocialism4tw
09-04-2011, 01:24 PM
This is the guy who refused to pose for a photo in an article that Playboy did on college all-Americans.

Sounds like a good decision to me.

3-time Pro Bowler... IDK, I like Vickerson as a rotation guy, but he'd be an upgrade.

Harris was the most dominant pocket-collapsing DT in the NFL before he got hurt.

Apparently he had been having a solid preseason performance-wise as recent as their last preseason game when he had a sack and a pass batted-down. That sounds like something that the Denver Broncos could use more of.

A DT rotation of Tommie Harris, Kevin Vickerson, and Marcus Thomas is a solid NFL-calibur DT rotation.

What we would have to address after a potential Harris snag is NT, where we have Bunkley and spare change.

epicSocialism4tw
09-04-2011, 01:25 PM
Yep, younger with more upside. someone we could develop and he has a great motor.

We don't need developmental players at DT. We already have those.

We need game breakers, of which we have none.

R8R H8R
09-04-2011, 02:33 PM
If we don't sign him, it would probably be because of the rule that states if a Vet is on the 1st wk roster, then his contract for that year is guaranteed.
His risk to the Broncos is that.

broncos-rock
09-04-2011, 03:56 PM
We don't need developmental players at DT. We already have those.

We need game breakers, of which we have none.

Really we have developmental guys at DT. Where? We have other teams rejects and underachievers. We need to develop some young guys and here is a chance.

epicSocialism4tw
09-04-2011, 05:54 PM
Really we have developmental guys at DT. Where? We have other teams rejects and underachievers. We need to develop some young guys and here is a chance.

Bunkley, Vickerson and Thomas are still 'developmental' guys.

A developmental guy with 3-4 years in the league is little different than a slightly younger developmental guy.

What Denver needs are guys with high ceilings. Thats what Harris is, and thats what Warren was supposed to be.

Harris could literally win a ballgame or two. A developmental guy might contribute on a couple of plays a game.

BroncoBuff
09-04-2011, 06:48 PM
Bunkley, Vickerson and Thomas are still 'developmental' guys.

A developmental guy with 3-4 years in the league is little different than a slightly younger developmental guy.

What Denver needs are guys with high ceilings. Thats what Harris is, and thats what Warren was supposed to be.

Harris could literally win a ballgame or two. A developmental guy might contribute on a couple of plays a game.

Agree completely.

TonyR
09-04-2011, 06:54 PM
Bunkley, Vickerson and Thomas are still 'developmental' guys.

A developmental guy with 3-4 years in the league is little different than a slightly younger developmental guy.

Thomas, Bunkley, and Vickerson are 5th, 6th and 7th year players, respectively. So they don't really fit your own definition.

epicSocialism4tw
09-04-2011, 07:50 PM
Thomas, Bunkley, and Vickerson are 5th, 6th and 7th year players, respectively. So they don't really fit your own definition.

You get the point.

Well, then again, you are usually incapable of comprehending most things, so maybe you don't.

broncos-rock
09-04-2011, 08:44 PM
Thomas, Bunkley, and Vickerson are 5th, 6th and 7th year players, respectively. So they don't really fit your own definition.

Good post! I love when people actually look at what we have and not make crap up. Thomas, Bunkley, and Vickerson are who they are but a young guy like Thornton has tons of upside and since we didnt draft one it would be building for the future. Mitch Unrein .....YEA!!!!!!!

epicSocialism4tw
09-04-2011, 09:07 PM
Good post! I love when people actually look at what we have and not make crap up. Thomas, Bunkley, and Vickerson are who they are but a young guy like Thornton has tons of upside and since we didnt draft one it would be building for the future. Mitch Unrein .....YEA!!!!!!!

'Upside' just means that they haven't done anything yet.

NZ Bronco
09-04-2011, 09:13 PM
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epicSocialism4tw
09-04-2011, 09:24 PM
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Are you from Mars?


LAKE FOREST, Ill. – Tommie Harris desperately wants to lead the Bears to a Super Bowl victory, but that’s not the only personal crusade the defensive tackle is passionate about.

After watching television news stories about the fifth and sixth Chicago Public School students to be killed by gun violence already this school year, Harris told reporters that he was moved to help find a solution.

“I have a love for children and that really hurt me to see,” Harris said. “It’s sad to know that a young person doesn’t get a chance to live his life out. I feel if more people can voice their opinions or get stuff done, then a change will come.”

Harris is encouraging those who live in neighborhoods that are plagued by gun violence to email his foundation at TommieHarris.com to offer their input about how he can help

“I’m willing to help,” Harris said. “I just want others to be able to voice their opinions. Write my web site. It’s free. Everything is free. I believe that we can get this rolling and more people can help and continue to help and we can see a change in the community.”

“We do have the money, and I know there are sponsors out there. People want to help. I don’t think anybody enjoys seeing little kids not being able to live out their whole lives. There are different things I feel like we can do to get this done.”

“You have to show these people that there is a way out,” he said. “I’ve been that kid. I didn’t know that there was more beyond Killeen, Texas, until I got a change to go out and see, ‘OK, I can do this, I can do these different things.’ If you show one person that lives in the area, ‘OK, I can change,’ he goes back and it’s a [snowball] effect.

“There are kids there that want a way out or they want to learn or they want the ability, but you have to show them.

“There’s more to what is going on over there on the South Side. I go over there. It’s a great place, but there needs to be some type of example. Some people have to step up and show that there is a way out.”

http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=4009


Yeah...sounds like "a gun 'totting' gangsta" to me.

epicSocialism4tw
09-04-2011, 09:31 PM
Oh...I see that you aren't from Mars, but from New Zealand.

That explains alot.

By the way, say hello to Gandalf, Frodo, Bret, Jermaine, and the Mouri, and put some Tautara on the grill for us Yanks.

ZONA
09-05-2011, 12:38 AM
Bunkley, Vickerson and Thomas are still 'developmental' guys.

A developmental guy with 3-4 years in the league is little different than a slightly younger developmental guy.

What Denver needs are guys with high ceilings. Thats what Harris is, and thats what Warren was supposed to be.

Harris could literally win a ballgame or two. A developmental guy might contribute on a couple of plays a game.

Just how would Harris "win" a couple of games on his own? Maybe he makes a big play, or 2? How is that different then the developmental guy making a play or 2? Maybe Harris from 5 years ago would have helped win a game or 2 but the Harris of today, I think asking for a few big plays is more likely then asking for a few wins from the guy.


I like the idea of signing 1 more DT and if there is nobody better then him and it's not going to cost us an arm and a leg, and the contract guarantee is not for more then 1 year, I'm cool with that. Still would rather see a younger guy looking to improve his game who has a high motor, just as long as he's a strong MF'er, hahahaha.

barryr
09-05-2011, 06:51 AM
The Colts are in pretty desperate need for talent and if they let Harris go, you have to believe he has very little to offer at this point.

TonyR
09-05-2011, 07:47 AM
Just how would Harris "win" a couple of games on his own? Maybe he makes a big play, or 2?

LOL I know, right!?! If he was winning games on his own I don't think both Chi and Indy would have let him go for nothing. People need to get real here.

bowtown
09-05-2011, 08:11 AM
Bunkley, Vickerson and Thomas are still 'developmental' guys.

A developmental guy with 3-4 years in the league is little different than a slightly younger developmental guy.

What Denver needs are guys with high ceilings. Thats what Harris is, and thats what Warren was supposed to be.

Harris could literally win a ballgame or two. A developmental guy might contribute on a couple of plays a game.

LOL at Harris having a high ceiling.

What Harris has a rapidly shrinking celiing which he has always been too lazy to even try to reach for except in a contract year. Now it also sounds like he's also too hurt to make a jump at it even if he wanted to.

broncswin
09-05-2011, 09:05 AM
Harris is a pile of ****...I don't want these f-ing guys on our team anymore. I was never so happy to cut a POS, then when we did it to Cox.

Br0nc0Buster
09-05-2011, 09:14 AM
Harris is living off reputation alone, he doesnt have it anymore

I know he got some sacks last year but he was release by the Colts, that is a huge red flag

TheReverend
09-05-2011, 09:17 AM
Harris is living off reputation alone, he doesnt have it anymore

I know he got some sacks last year but he was release by the Colts, that is a huge red flag

What Coyer would be asking of him is very different from what Allen would be asking from him.

I've also heard some really good things about the guys they've been developing. You might laugh at a name like Antonio Johnson... but just keep Vickerson in mind before you do that.

epicSocialism4tw
09-05-2011, 12:43 PM
Harris is living off reputation alone, he doesnt have it anymore

I know he got some sacks last year but he was release by the Colts, that is a huge red flag

He was released by the Colts because there was an issue over an injury. The Colts thought he should have practiced through it to show an example for the younger guys.

He had a productive preseason on the field.