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Bronco_Beerslug
09-03-2011, 01:55 AM
Good for him, he realized what he allowed to be printed was complete crap written by two Right Wing "scientists".

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Journal editor resigns over 'problematic' climate paper (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14768574)
By Richard Black Environment correspondent, BBC News

2 September 2011 Last updated at 18:20

The editor of a science journal has resigned after admitting that a recent paper casting doubt on man-made climate change should not have been published.

The paper, by US scientists Roy Spencer and William Braswell, claimed that computer models of climate inflated projections of temperature increase.

It was seized on by "sceptic" bloggers, but attacked by mainstream scientists.

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The paper claimed mainstream climate models misunderstood the role of clouds

Wolfgang Wagner, editor of Remote Sensing journal, says he agrees with their criticisms and is stepping down.

"Peer-reviewed journals are a pillar of modern science," he writes in a resignation note published in Remote Sensing.

"Their aim is to achieve highest scientific standards by carrying out a rigorous peer review that is, as a minimum requirement, supposed to be able to identify fundamental methodological errors or false claims.

"Unfortunately, as many climate researchers and engaged observers of the climate change debate pointed out in various internet discussion fora, the paper by Spencer and Braswell... is most likely problematic in both aspects and should therefore not have been published."
Heated debate

The paper became a cause celebre in "sceptical" circles through its claim that mainstream climate models inflated temperature projections through misunderstanding the role of clouds in the climate system and the rate at which the Earth radiated heat into space.

This meant, it said, that projections of temperature rise made in Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports were too high.

The paper, published in July, was swiftly attacked by scientists in the mainstream of climate research.

They also commented on the fact that the paper was not published in a journal that routinely deals with climate change. Remote Sensing's core topic is methods for monitoring aspects of the Earth from space.

Publishing in "off-topic" journals is generally frowned on in scientific circles, partly because editors may lack the specialist knowledge and contacts needed to run a thorough peer review process.

In essence, Dr Wagner, a professor of remote sensing at Vienna University of Technology, is blaming himself for this failing.

But he also blames the researchers themselves for not referencing all the relevant research in their manuscript.

"The problem is that comparable studies published by other authors have already been refuted..., a fact which was ignored by Spencer and Braswell in their paper and, unfortunately, not picked up by the reviewers.

"In other words, the problem I see with the paper... is not that it declared a minority view (which was later unfortunately much exaggerated by the public media) but that it essentially ignored the scientific arguments of its opponents.

"This latter point was missed in the review process, explaining why I perceive this paper to be fundamentally flawed and therefore wrongly accepted by the journal."
'Honourable course'

Scientific papers that turn out to be flawed or fraudulent are usually retracted by the journals that publish them, with editorial resignations a rarity.

But Bob Ward, policy and communications director at the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment at the London School of Economics, said Dr Wagner had done the decent thing.

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W*GS
09-03-2011, 07:36 AM
A very nicely written summary of why the Spencer & Braswell paper was flawed, and how the denier blogosphere, the right-wing media, and Spencer himself vastly oversold it is told <a href="http://profmandia.wordpress.com/2011/08/03/spencer-braswell-2011-proof-that-global-warming-is-exaggerated-or-just-bad-science/">here</a>.

Spider
09-03-2011, 08:18 AM
I think printing rebuking the piece harshly from the editor himself would do , no need to resign .... But on the other hand , quacks like this spencer needs to be exposed ....so yeah I agree with the decision to print Spencer and ole whats his face ,but he should have also done a follow up piece stating why these 2 are ****ing bat shiat crazy loons

W*GS
09-03-2011, 08:59 AM
I think printing rebuking the piece harshly from the editor himself would do , no need to resign .... But on the other hand , quacks like this spencer needs to be exposed ....so yeah I agree with the decision to print Spencer and ole whats his face ,but he should have also done a follow up piece stating why these 2 are ****ing bat shiat crazy loons

That paper is coming - to be published in Geophysical Research Letters by Andy Dessler, IIRC.

Spencer is also a creationist, and said this: “I view my job a little like a legislator, supported by the taxpayer, to protect the interests of the taxpayer and to minimize the role of government.”

WTF?

Spider
09-03-2011, 09:02 AM
That paper is coming - to be published in Geophysical Research Letters by Andy Dessler, IIRC.

Spencer is also a creationist, and said this: “I view my job a little like a legislator, supported by the taxpayer, to protect the interests of the taxpayer and to minimize the role of government.”

WTF?

He is a nut no doubt

elsid13
09-03-2011, 09:41 AM
He is a nut no doubt

Soon Dramallama will be here telling us to stop prosecuting him for his beliefs and that we are all terrorists.....

Spider
09-03-2011, 10:24 AM
Soon Dramallama will be here telling us to stop prosecuting him for his beliefs and that we are all terrorists.....

:approve:

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-13-2011, 04:57 AM
The people who pay for this fake science have some deep pockets...

Big Oil and Fossil Fuel Industry Are Strangling the US Economy, Causing Wars, and Poisoning Us

Why is our energy policy fossilized with policies that are bankrupting us, polluting toxins into the air and water and serving as the catalyst to launch wars to control oil reserves?

That is because there is no separation between our government's federal energy policy and the "industry's" energy policy. They are virtually one and the same. That means that the profits of the oil companies, the coal barons and other fossil fuel businesses are basically in charge of driving a strategic policy that is economically ruining us and preventing the development of alternative energy sources.

China, on the other hand, has little distinction between primarily state-owned energy companies and the government's policies on the matter (although there is an expansion of "private" energy companies). Therefore, it is driven by a mandate to develop the most effective, most modern sources of fuel. In fact, it created the China Energy Conservation Investment Corporation, which is devoted to funding more efficient energy.

That is the major reason it is light years ahead of the US in nurturing the solar, hydropower and wind power industries, among others. Yes, China heavily subsidizes its alternative fuel initiatives, but shouldn't the US government be doing the same? Why isn't the entire south of the United States powered in large part by solar and wind energy? Why isn't geothermal technology at an advance development state in the US?

This is the crux of the matter: the more the US develops alternative energy sources, the more the oil companies and their fossil fuel cohorts are likely to decrease profits. The less the US plays a role in developing alternative energy and keeping the US hooked on fossil fuel, the greater the bloated profits of the current antiquated providers rise as scarcity increases.

That is literally the bottom line.

In China, since the government heavily dominates the energy industry - for all practical purposes - decreasing the cost of fuel and creating new sources that, in the long term, will be more durable and less expensive is good strategic policy. Relying on fossil fuel will hamper China's economic growth, as is currently happening in the US. For China, long-term dependence on fossil fuels will result in a strain on economic growth, not a profit.

So, the people who killed the electric car several times (now having its tenth or 11th "rebirth"), who have impeded solar energy, who scrapped mass transportation in Los Angeles, who are supporting a toxic Keystone XL pipeline through the US to export oil overseas and who have done everything possible to keep us junkies hooked on fossil fuels, these people continue to prevent the US government from advancing nontoxic and less expensive (in the long term, sun and wind power will never be exhausted) energy.

China is proof that alternative fuel development is best for a nation looking to the future, not looking to pad the multibillion-dollar profits of a fossil fuel industry.

http://blog.buzzflash.com/node/13005

Smiling Assassin27
09-13-2011, 11:21 AM
ah, if only global warming honks had such integrity.

cutthemdown
09-13-2011, 01:53 PM
How do we cool the Earth again? I was just wondering what the liberal plan is. Looking at what they do to the economy maybe its just slow it down so much we produce less co2? Is that the left agenda? To really just try and make things like driving to expensive for regular americans and they all have to ride a solar powered bus or something? I hear a lot about the science that proves the Earth is warming, but not a lot of numbers and science on stopping it. Co2 goes up as the population goes up so how do you mitigate that? Also people in China buying cars like crazy, co2 output is only going to go up up up.

IMO if the science is in, the Earth is warming, then also the facts are in, we can't stop it. So the smart move is to start adapting to a warmer earth because we don't have another planet to go live on.