More obama caving

[Rigs11]

Seriously this guy is really starting to make me hope that someone in the dem party challenges him in 2012.pathetic.I know you righties are thrilled.

Obama halts tighter smog rule, citing 'regulatory burdens'
Republicans wanted it shelved; critics see it as 'huge loss for public health'


WASHINGTON — Citing the financial burden in a struggling economy and after Republican protests, President Barack Obama on Friday ordered the Environmental Protection Agency to withdraw a proposal to tighten smog standards.

"I have continued to underscore the importance of reducing regulatory burdens and regulatory uncertainty, particularly as our economy continues to recover," Obama said in a statement announcing the order.

Environmental activists immediately pounced on the move as a retreat by a weakened Obama administration trying to cut deals with Republicans in Congress.

The withdrawal of the proposed rule comes two days after the White House, at the request of Republicans, identified seven such regulations that it promised to review after finding each would cost industry at least $1 billion.

The proposed smog standard would have required cities to lower ozone emissions, most of which come from power plants, vehicles and factories. It was estimated to cost anywhere between $19 billion and $90 billion, depending on how strictly enforced it would be.

The EPA earlier estimated the rule would save as much as $100 billion in health costs, and help prevent as many as 12,000 premature deaths from heart and lung complications.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44372992/ns/us_news-environment/

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Obama does nothing BUT bow to the Republicans he defeated in 2008.

Why can't a smart man like Obama realize the HE WON that election?

He has sacrificed his presidency to The Boner and The B*tch. I fear history books
will not be kind to Obama, history might end up calling him "the GOP's puppet."

That should be his campaign slogan in 2012:
"Elect me, and I'll do whatever John Boehner says."

President Mouse, why did you run for the presidency? So you could say,
"Thank you Sir, May I please have another?" when Boner and Cantor spank you?

Next week, Obama will unveil his "new jobs plan."

After 32 months of 10% unemployment for whites, 26% for Blacks,
Obama has finally decided to address the biggest problem on everybody's mind.

BUT...

The minute he opens his mouth, B*tch and Boner will say
"The President's ideas are dead on arrival," and Obama will surrender again.

We have a Mouse in the House.

Can anybody argue with that?

[ant1999e]

Seriously this guy is really starting to make me hope that someone in the dem party challenges him in 2012.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44372992/ns/us_news-environment/

You should already be at that point.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You should already be at that point.

Doesn't matter.

The party would just replace Obama with another DINO/republican appeaser.

[ant1999e]

O
Next week, Obama will unveil his "new jobs plan."

After 32 months of 10% unemployment for whites, 26% for Blacks,
Obama has finally decided to address the biggest problem on everybody's mind.

BUT...

The minute he opens his mouth, B*tch and Boner will say
"The President's ideas are dead on arrival," and Obama will surrender again.

We have a Mouse in the House.

Can anybody argue with that?

At least the unemployment rate for illegal immigrants will be low.:wiggle:

The dead on arrival thing is Harry Reid's favorite phrase.

[ant1999e]

Doesn't matter.

The party would just replace Obama with another DINO/republican appeaser.

Maybe the liberals need to come up with their own"teaparty". You guys bash them but the true followers (not the republican insurgents) at their core are just tired of the political status quo. You may not agree with what they want but at least they are trying to change things.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Gonna start calling this guy President Tora Bora.

[bronclvr]

You know guys, I didn't post my Thread to start a pissing match (and Mods, would you please merge all three)-seriously, this is exactly what the economy needs-if you can't find the way to get John Q. Public to spend, then you have to ease Business Owner's concerns (and this is a big one)-

I seriously applaud the effort, we need to get people off of the street and back to being productive-

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Maybe the liberals need to come up with their own"teaparty". You guys bash them but the true followers (not the republican insurgents) at their core are just tired of the political status quo. You may not agree with what they want but at least they are trying to change things.

We don't need a tea party - we just need a candidate who is actually a liberal and who has a set of cojones (read: FDR/JFK/RFK-style cojones.)

Clinton was a centrist whose "third way" politics have long exceeded their shelf life, as evidenced by the Obama presidency.

But I'm not kidding myself - the people who control the levers of power in this country would sooner allow Ron Paul to make it to the WH before they would allow a true liberal to get there.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Quotes

<big>"It is our responsibility to find bipartisan solutions to help grow our economy, and if we are willing to put country before party, I am confident we can do just that,"
</big><big style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
- Obama, the most naive president America has ever had

Link (http://news.yahoo.com/timing-clash-settled-obama-sets-sights-speech-070212906.html)


The rabid dog has been biting Obama's hand for 32 months straight, yet he continues to believe that if he just reaches out one more time...

http://www.bartcop.com/barking-dog4.jpghttp://www.bartcop.com/barking-dog3.jpg

</big><big style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">I forget - what's the definition of 'insanity?'</big>

[Spider]

told every one Hillary was the one we needed

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

^

Maybe if this were 1992, but the last thing in the world we need right now is another centrist.

We need someone who is more like an FDR or a JFK.

[mhgaffney]

You know guys, I didn't post my Thread to start a pissing match (and Mods, would you please merge all three)-seriously, this is exactly what the economy needs-if you can't find the way to get John Q. Public to spend, then you have to ease Business Owner's concerns (and this is a big one)-

I seriously applaud the effort, we need to get people off of the street and back to being productive-

Huh? WTF?

I just heard they lied to us again about the jobs picture for August. Initially they told us the economy created 93,000 new jobs.

Now we've just learned the actual figure is zero. I repeat: zero new jobs in August -- and keep in mind this is the time of seasonal construction.

The problem is not Obama, per se. he is only a puppet -- like Bush a puppet. The problem is that the US government was captured many years ago by Wall Street. The banksters run America -- and have for many years.

Only now it's out in the open. They were emboldened by 9/11 -- and believe they are untouchable.

Well -- are they right?

This is the question the OM needs to tackle -- instead of the non stop ranting about candidates. The political process itself is the problem. The proof of this is how the media has sidelined Ron Paul -- the only candidate who has called for an audit of the federal reserve.

Why have the other GOP candidates ducked this issue? And why haven't the press taken them to task for failing to do so? There again -- you see the problem - -the media too is controlled.

Only an informed public can make smart political choices -- so you see how deep the problem goes. Sad to say -- we are in a race to the bottom.

All US institutions have failed us. Only civil disobedience remains.

[mhgaffney]

told every one Hillary was the one we needed

Surely you jest.

[Spider]

Surely you jest.

what makes you think I want to hear from your bat shiat crazy ass ? I dont read books , so your wasting your time sucking up to me to buy a book , go smooze someone else you penis noggin

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Seriously this guy is really starting to make me hope that someone in the dem party challenges him in 2012.pathetic.I know you righties are thrilled.

Obama halts tighter smog rule, citing 'regulatory burdens'
Republicans wanted it shelved; critics see it as 'huge loss for public health'


WASHINGTON — Citing the financial burden in a struggling economy and after Republican protests, President Barack Obama on Friday ordered the Environmental Protection Agency to withdraw a proposal to tighten smog standards.

"I have continued to underscore the importance of reducing regulatory burdens and regulatory uncertainty, particularly as our economy continues to recover," Obama said in a statement announcing the order.

Environmental activists immediately pounced on the move as a retreat by a weakened Obama administration trying to cut deals with Republicans in Congress.

The withdrawal of the proposed rule comes two days after the White House, at the request of Republicans, identified seven such regulations that it promised to review after finding each would cost industry at least $1 billion.

The proposed smog standard would have required cities to lower ozone emissions, most of which come from power plants, vehicles and factories. It was estimated to cost anywhere between $19 billion and $90 billion, depending on how strictly enforced it would be.

The EPA earlier estimated the rule would save as much as $100 billion in health costs, and help prevent as many as 12,000 premature deaths from heart and lung complications.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44372992/ns/us_news-environment/

You don't even see what this really means.

[cutthemdown]

Ooops sorry I didn't see this thread when i posted. This is why we put some repubs in congress. Because our President was going ape**** with the EPA.

[cutthemdown]

People want jobs and regulations and they just don't go together. Great move by Boehner to move the President right on this issue. If we can't get Obama out of office we can at least try to blunt his left agenda.

[baja]

Obama does nothing BUT bow to the Republicans he defeated in 2008.

Why can't a smart man like Obama realize the HE WON that election?

He has sacrificed his presidency to The Boner and The B*tch. I fear history books
will not be kind to Obama, history might end up calling him "the GOP's puppet."

That should be his campaign slogan in 2012:
"Elect me, and I'll do whatever John Boehner says."

President Mouse, why did you run for the presidency? So you could say,
"Thank you Sir, May I please have another?" when Boner and Cantor spank you?

Next week, Obama will unveil his "new jobs plan."

After 32 months of 10% unemployment for whites, 26% for Blacks,
Obama has finally decided to address the biggest problem on everybody's mind.

BUT...

The minute he opens his mouth, B*tch and Boner will say
"The President's ideas are dead on arrival," and Obama will surrender again.

We have a Mouse in the House.

Can anybody argue with that?

He actually right on this one the economy can't handle the cost of this.

[cutthemdown]

Huh? WTF?

I just heard they lied to us again about the jobs picture for August. Initially they told us the economy created 93,000 new jobs.

Now we've just learned the actual figure is zero. I repeat: zero new jobs in August -- and keep in mind this is the time of seasonal construction.

The problem is not Obama, per se. he is only a puppet -- like Bush a puppet. The problem is that the US government was captured many years ago by Wall Street. The banksters run America -- and have for many years.

Only now it's out in the open. They were emboldened by 9/11 -- and believe they are untouchable.

Well -- are they right?

This is the question the OM needs to tackle -- instead of the non stop ranting about candidates. The political process itself is the problem. The proof of this is how the media has sidelined Ron Paul -- the only candidate who has called for an audit of the federal reserve.

Why have the other GOP candidates ducked this issue? And why haven't the press taken them to task for failing to do so? There again -- you see the problem - -the media too is controlled.

Only an informed public can make smart political choices -- so you see how deep the problem goes. Sad to say -- we are in a race to the bottom.

All US institutions have failed us. Only civil disobedience remains.

I thought Perry also said the fed needs to be looked at? To tell you the truth I haven't gotten that into it. I don't believe any of them anyways because they often just are giving lip service. Perry has a long record though and I look forward to diving into it a bit more.

[baja]

Huh? WTF?

I just heard they lied to us again about the jobs picture for August. Initially they told us the economy created 93,000 new jobs.

Now we've just learned the actual figure is zero. I repeat: zero new jobs in August -- and keep in mind this is the time of seasonal construction.

The problem is not Obama, per se. he is only a puppet -- like Bush a puppet. The problem is that the US government was captured many years ago by Wall Street. The banksters run America -- and have for many years.

Only now it's out in the open. They were emboldened by 9/11 -- and believe they are untouchable.

Well -- are they right?

This is the question the OM needs to tackle -- instead of the non stop ranting about candidates. The political process itself is the problem. The proof of this is how the media has sidelined Ron Paul -- the only candidate who has called for an audit of the federal reserve.

Why have the other GOP candidates ducked this issue? And why haven't the press taken them to task for failing to do so? There again -- you see the problem - -the media too is controlled.

Only an informed public can make smart political choices -- so you see how deep the problem goes. Sad to say -- we are in a race to the bottom.

All US institutions have failed us. Only civil disobedience remains.

You are partly right. The banksters and wall street were "handled" too. They did what the elites knew they would when the caused deregulation they killed the goose that laid the eggs for years with their greed.

Watch this Mark.

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The new nightly news

[Arkie]

Kucinich vs Ron Paul is a real people's choice. Neither one will win their primary.

[Spider]

Kucinich vs Ron Paul is a real people's choice. Neither one will win their primary.

huh I never saw Ron Paul as a Kucinich on the right .... good job arkie :thumbsup:

[cutthemdown]

This is Obamas smartest move since he scrapped eliminating the bush tax cuts. It's good when the President caves when the issue was pandering to the environmental left. Don't get me wrong the Darryl Hannas of the world are important also. Its all a puzzle and with the President makes the right decision, its always right whether his party wanted it or not. This is a smart move by Obama, he should let Boehner cut all those big new regs that will cost him a ton in jobs. Its a win win for Obama. he can just say I had no choice those righties forced me to scrap them, while at the same time adding jobs and cutting regulations.

[epicSocialism4tw]

The repubs have control of 1/3 of the federal legislature.

If Obama's getting trounced while playing 2 on 1, what on earth is this guy good for?

He could barely get his albatross Obamacare through while his party was playing 3 ond 0.

[Rigs11]

The repubs have control of 1/3 of the federal legislature.

If Obama's getting trounced while playing 2 on 1, what on earth is this guy good for?

He could barely get his albatross Obamacare through while his party was playing 3 ond 0.

I thought he rammed Obamacare down americans throats?which is it llama?It's funny how you righties always bring up how our children will inherit the deficit and have to pay it off...blah..blah,..blah.yet you are perfectly fine with our children inheriting a polluted environment.Not including the billions more that it will cost in healthcare cost from the people who will get sick from the added pollution,which I'm sure you will also complain about.

[baja]

I thought he rammed Obamacare down americans throats?which is it llama?It's funny how you righties always bring up how our children will inherit the deficit and have to pay it off...blah..blah,..blah.yet you are perfectly fine with our children inheriting a polluted environment.Not including the billions more that it will cost in healthcare cost from the people who will get sick from the added pollution,which I'm sure you will also complain about.

Can't even afford to fix the infrastructure. We're in a depression the environment will have to wait. This coming from an environmentalist. Not to mention the US can never pay it's debt without creation maga inflation which will destroy the security of those that actually saved over the years.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I thought he rammed Obamacare down americans throats?which is it llama?It's funny how you righties always bring up how our children will inherit the deficit and have to pay it off...blah..blah,..blah.yet you are perfectly fine with our children inheriting a polluted environment.Not including the billions more that it will cost in healthcare cost from the people who will get sick from the added pollution,which I'm sure you will also complain about.

Um...did you seriously just say that people who get sick from 'added pollution' will cost 'billions more' in health care expenses? Hilarious!

You wacko liberals are great at making up imaginary costs and 'slashing' them with your albatross financial boondoggles. Ha!

"The kost ov illergie n azma midisin iz gonna b thru teh bizzzzillions mor!!!11!!!1"

[Pseudofool]

Like any liberal, I'm disappointed. But to think the problem is Obama himself is probably short-sighted, the outcome with any democrat would likely be the same, though perhaps more elegantly handled in a political sense. This is about that money bag for 2012 and making as few enemies as possible--obviously they are holding their cards close to the vest on the re-election strategy and betting the farm on Obama's campaign ability (and money raising.

[cutthemdown]

I thought he rammed Obamacare down americans throats?which is it llama?It's funny how you righties always bring up how our children will inherit the deficit and have to pay it off...blah..blah,..blah.yet you are perfectly fine with our children inheriting a polluted environment.Not including the billions more that it will cost in healthcare cost from the people who will get sick from the added pollution,which I'm sure you will also complain about.

Yeah but some will die early and not get all the SS so it all evens out. America already has some of the toughest environmental standards in the world.

[Rigs11]

Um...did you seriously just say that people who get sick from 'added pollution' will cost 'billions more' in health care expenses? Hilarious!

You wacko liberals are great at making up imaginary costs and 'slashing' them with your albatross financial boondoggles. Ha!

"The kost ov illergie n azma midisin iz gonna b thru teh bizzzzillions mor!!!11!!!1"

Durrrr..

Now after more than a year of delay, the Obama administration has announced that the new smog rules will be shelved until at least 2013. President Obama has cited the economy and lack of job growth as contributing factors to the decision. The proposed limitations in ozone would cost an estimated $19 billion to $90 billion to implement. However, $100 billion in health care costs was also expected to be saved, alongside thousands of lives due to the reduction in respiratory and heart ailments.

http://www.aboutmyplanet.com/environment/obama-shelves-smog-reductions-reductions-to-be-considered-again-in-2013/

[Rigs11]

Yeah but some will die early and not get all the SS so it all evens out. America already has some of the toughest environmental standards in the world.

Glad that you're looking out for your fellow Americans cut.good god man.

[Spider]

Um...did you seriously just say that people who get sick from 'added pollution' will cost 'billions more' in health care expenses? Hilarious! I know the farthest you been is the 7-11 down on the corner , but Rigs is right , specially when it comes to breathing , The Brown clouds of the 80's will be nothing compared to laxer laws , I have been to coal mines , and most notably the Jim Bridger power plant , lets see how much of your own propaganda you believe , I will pay for you to come to Wyoming , I want you to stand close to one of the stacks for 8 hours breathing normally , dont worry I got security clearance , I can get us in no questions asked... you game ?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Durrrr..

Now after more than a year of delay, the Obama administration has announced that the new smog rules will be shelved until at least 2013. President Obama has cited the economy and lack of job growth as contributing factors to the decision. The proposed limitations in ozone would cost an estimated $19 billion to $90 billion to implement. However, $100 billion in health care costs was also expected to be saved, alongside thousands of lives due to the reduction in respiratory and heart ailments.

http://www.aboutmyplanet.com/environment/obama-shelves-smog-reductions-reductions-to-be-considered-again-in-2013/

Its pathetic that you guys buy that crap without even giving your ridiculousness a second thought.

[cutthemdown]

Yeah the offset of phantom health care savings is a joke. Americans drink, do more drugs, have more sex partners, do more risky activities then any country, have troops fighting all over the world and the govt going to say we pay for this 19- 100 billion dollar epa tax on business with healthcare savings, that just happen to be 100 billion. LOL ****ing idiots.

[cutthemdown]

half the country smoking weed, the other half smoking ciggs, and people want to talk about the smog? LOL cmom! :)

[epicSocialism4tw]

Yeah the offset of phantom health care savings is a joke. Americans drink, do more drugs, have more sex partners, do more risky activities then any country, have troops fighting all over the world and the govt going to say we pay for this 19- 100 billion dollar epa tax on business with healthcare savings, that just happen to be 100 billion. LOL ****ing idiots.

No doubt.

Liberals are passing out condoms to children and all the sudden are concerned about health care costs. Ha!

Yeah, things just don't make sense with that kind of goobrishness.

[baja]

Yeah the offset of phantom health care savings is a joke. Americans drink, do more drugs, have more sex partners, do more risky activities then any country, have troops fighting all over the world and the govt going to say we pay for this 19- 100 billion dollar epa tax on business with healthcare savings, that just happen to be 100 billion. LOL ****ing idiots.

Wrong and wrong

[gunns]

Maybe the liberals need to come up with their own"teaparty". You guys bash them but the true followers (not the republican insurgents) at their core are just tired of the political status quo. You may not agree with what they want but at least they are trying to change things.

Funny thing is that here in Utah, the Republican stalwarts, which is much of the state, started fleeing to the Tea Party about a year or so ago, but at the last Tea Party express only about 100 people showed up, down drastically. I don't think that people are against what they are for, but how they go about it. Or maybe some of their reps would do better if they kept their mouths shut. Or find some leadership with at least some detectable brains.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Liberals are passing out condoms to children...

...while right-wing, redneck goobers are preaching abstinence only as their teenage daughters get knocked up.