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AmericanBroncFan
09-01-2011, 10:20 PM
He had his chance to be #2 and he proved he doesn't belong in the NFL

Agamemnon
09-01-2011, 10:22 PM
Well he certainly shouldn't be our backup, that much is clear. At least with Weber we have a developmental unknown. Quinn is the same old bum apparently.

ant1999e
09-01-2011, 10:22 PM
are you drunk?

Baba Booey
09-01-2011, 10:24 PM
I would be more than OK with Orton, Tebow, and Weber.

Hopefully, if/when the playoffs are out of the question, we'll see Tebow.

Agamemnon
09-01-2011, 10:33 PM
I would be more than OK with Orton, Tebow, and Weber.

Hopefully, if/when the playoffs are out of the question, we'll see Tebow.

The 3rd QB is almost certain to never see the field anyway. So pretty much. There just doesn't seem to be much reason to carry a #3 QB if he's got absolutely zero potential for the team long-term. And god help us if we have Quinn as the #2 after this. That will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Fox really knows nothing about the most important position in football, and that's not good.

Jay3
09-01-2011, 10:37 PM
I say release him. He doesn't really serve a purpose on this squad.

He's not as good as Orton.

He's not a developmental quarterback.

He's not a reliable veteran that can take over in case of injury.

He's a #3. And Weber is liable to get snatched off of waivers. It makes more sense to keep Orton, Tebow, Weber.

Kaylore
09-01-2011, 10:38 PM
I say release him. He doesn't really serve a purpose on this squad.

He's not as good as Orton.

He's not a developmental quarterback.

He's not a reliable veteran that can take over in case of injury.

He's a #3. And Weber is liable to get snatched off of waivers. It makes more sense to keep Orton, Tebow, Weber.

This.

DBroncos4life
09-01-2011, 10:39 PM
Has Weber ever thrown a pass in the NFL?

Agamemnon
09-01-2011, 10:43 PM
I say release him. He doesn't really serve a purpose on this squad.

He's not as good as Orton.

He's not a developmental quarterback.

He's not a reliable veteran that can take over in case of injury.

He's a #3. And Weber is liable to get snatched off of waivers. It makes more sense to keep Orton, Tebow, Weber.

Yep. That or use the roster slot on some other player. Quinn sitting on the bench as the #3 for another year and then walking makes no sense. None.

wolf754life
09-01-2011, 10:45 PM
quinn is gone after this year, the broncos have seen enough

Agamemnon
09-01-2011, 10:45 PM
quinn is gone after this year, the broncos have seen enough

Might as well just get it over with now.

Taco John
09-01-2011, 10:52 PM
I was hoping we could salvage Quinn into a draft pick or something. This sucks.

Houshyamama
09-01-2011, 10:54 PM
get him off my team. now.

OABB
09-01-2011, 11:03 PM
best qb in camp huh. i guess games matter more. who knew.

Houshyamama
09-01-2011, 11:06 PM
best qb in camp huh. i guess games matter more. who knew.

I always expect Quinn to run crying to his mom on the sideline whenever he has a bad play.

BroncosinDC
09-01-2011, 11:12 PM
I'll never eat subway again after that game.

epicSocialism4tw
09-01-2011, 11:14 PM
I say release him. He doesn't really serve a purpose on this squad.

He's not as good as Orton.

He's not a developmental quarterback.

He's not a reliable veteran that can take over in case of injury.

He's a #3. And Weber is liable to get snatched off of waivers. It makes more sense to keep Orton, Tebow, Weber.

Quadruple dat.

Archer81
09-01-2011, 11:25 PM
I'd be a little surprised if Quinn is let go. He performed well in 3 other games. Had a bad outing, it happens.


:Broncos:

Agamemnon
09-01-2011, 11:28 PM
I'd be a little surprised if Quinn is let go. He performed well in 3 other games. Had a bad outing, it happens.


:Broncos:

He did? He only played in three games...

DBroncos4life
09-01-2011, 11:29 PM
This is what happens when you rush QBs....

Archer81
09-01-2011, 11:30 PM
He did? He only played in three games...


Did I say something wrong? He played in 3 other games, did well enough.


:Broncos:

Agamemnon
09-01-2011, 11:30 PM
This is what happens when you rush QBs....

He had plenty of time on that interception of his. That was just him sucking.

Agamemnon
09-01-2011, 11:31 PM
Did I say something wrong? He played in 3 other games, did well enough.


:Broncos:

You're using the word "other". He only played in three games total.

DBroncos4life
09-01-2011, 11:32 PM
He had plenty of time on that interception of his. That was just him sucking.

No im talking about how the Browns tossed him to the wolves.

Archer81
09-01-2011, 11:35 PM
You're using the word "other". He only played in three games total.


Ah.

Point still stands.

:Broncos:

Agamemnon
09-01-2011, 11:40 PM
Ah.

Point still stands.

:Broncos:

Two decent games and one terrible one doesn't seem all that great to me. Especially seeing as he has no developmental value as a #3.

Archer81
09-01-2011, 11:45 PM
Two decent games and one terrible one doesn't seem all that great to me. Especially seeing as he has no developmental value as a #3.


I think it would more or less depend on what the coaching staff thinks would better serve them in the short term. Orton and Tebow are definates. Do you want a vet for your 3 or do they think Weber could have a greater upside and may not make it through waivers for the practice squad.

We will find out saturday, but like I said I would be a little surprised if Quinn is released.

:Broncos:

Orange&BlueMohawk
09-02-2011, 12:05 AM
And yet he will remain. Just hopefully not with us.

Leinart is still in somehow and he never developed, like Quinn, "being the best quarterback to ever come out of college."

mr007
09-02-2011, 12:10 AM
The 3rd QB is almost certain to never see the field anyway. So pretty much. There just doesn't seem to be much reason to carry a #3 QB if he's got absolutely zero potential for the team long-term. And god help us if we have Quinn as the #2 after this. That will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Fox really knows nothing about the most important position in football, and that's not good.

Not true with the new rules. In fact, quite the opposite, the 3rd string is much more likely to see the field now especially in our case if Tebow remains there.

Agamemnon
09-02-2011, 12:16 AM
Not true with the new rules. In fact, quite the opposite, the 3rd string is much more likely to see the field now especially in our case if Tebow remains there.

Do you really think that Tebow is our #3 after this game? Reports claimed that the coaches were already leaning toward him as our #2, and after this I'd be shocked (and horrified) if Quinn was given the #2 instead.

That aside, if Quinn is our #3 he has virtually no chance of seeing the field this season. Some coaches only keep two QBs on their roster for the simple fact that the #3 is rarely ever needed.

smoke4815162342
09-02-2011, 12:21 AM
Quinn is garbage when considering him as a starter and is already 5 years deep

I dont think he should be cut, but tebow has to be 2

Agamemnon
09-02-2011, 12:28 AM
Quinn is garbage when considering him as a starter and is already 5 years deep

I dont think he should be cut, but tebow has to be 2

To me this game is the final nail in the coffin. I think any hopes the Broncos or anyone else had that he could possibly turned around pretty much crumbled tonight. He just looked like the same clueless QB that the Browns couldn't wait to get rid of.

Broncos4Life
09-02-2011, 12:56 AM
To me this game is the final nail in the coffin. I think any hopes the Broncos or anyone else had that he could possibly turned around pretty much crumbled tonight. He just looked like the same clueless QB that the Browns couldn't wait to get rid of.

That is all I saw his whole time in the game too Agamemnon. One good showing against a crappy Bills team in preseason does not win you a backup QB job....

The funny part was the Cards announcers saying at the end of the game that its gonna be interesting to see how the Broncos QB situation turns out. And then he goes on to talk about how Orton is 1, and then Quinn 2, and "Tebow will be the 3rd QB."

Really?? Did I just Imagine Quinn playing like Alex Smith.....

Agamemnon
09-02-2011, 01:05 AM
That is all I saw his whole time in the game too Agamemnon. One good showing against a crappy Bills team in preseason does not win you a backup QB job....

The funny part was the Cards announcers saying at the end of the game that its gonna be interesting to see how the Broncos QB situation turns out. And then he goes on to talk about how Orton is 1, and then Quinn 2, and "Tebow will be the 3rd QB."

Really?? Did I just Imagine Quinn playing like Alex Smith.....

Tebow was #2 in two games and so was Quinn. It's pretty clear that that decision hasn't been made yet. Well it probably has been now but you know what I mean...

extralife
09-02-2011, 01:19 AM
man, I love the OM. last week, we have a thread asking if he should start, and another asking if you'd trade him straight up for Hillis. this week, he's out of the NFL. you guys are precious.

pricejj
09-02-2011, 01:24 AM
Quinn almost threw 4 picks in the Bills game, and had the worst half EVER as a Broncos QB tonight.

Weber >> Quinn

Agamemnon
09-02-2011, 01:32 AM
Quinn almost threw 4 picks in the Bills game, and had the worst half EVER as a Broncos QB tonight.


Umm...did you miss Orton's game against the Raiders last year?

Agamemnon
09-02-2011, 01:34 AM
man, I love the OM. last week, we have a thread asking if he should start, and another asking if you'd trade him straight up for Hillis. this week, he's out of the NFL. you guys are precious.

I think the issue was more that many of us wanted to see him and Tebow with the starters. Not many were outright calling for him to start other than out of a sense of desperation in the face of having to see Orton starting once again.

AmericanBroncFan
09-02-2011, 06:23 AM
If Quinn is on this roster it shows a lack of leadership. It will show this team isn't ready and don't care about winning.

Agamemnon
09-02-2011, 06:25 AM
If Quinn is on this roster it shows a lack of leadership. It will show this team isn't ready and don't care about winning.

I thought having Orton as our starting QB already sent that message rather loud and clear. Ha!

Kaylore
09-02-2011, 06:44 AM
If Quinn is on this roster it shows a lack of leadership. It will show this team isn't ready and don't care about winning.

Hyperbole much?

Br0nc0Buster
09-02-2011, 06:59 AM
If Quinn is on this roster it shows a lack of leadership. It will show this team isn't ready and don't care about winning.

ah yes because the hopes of this season ride on the shoulders of the third string qb...

bronco militia
09-02-2011, 07:12 AM
I say release him. He doesn't really serve a purpose on this squad.

He's not as good as Orton.

He's not a developmental quarterback.

He's not a reliable veteran that can take over in case of injury.

He's a #3. And Weber is liable to get snatched off of waivers. It makes more sense to keep Orton, Tebow, Weber.

yeah, that sums it up best

Beantown Bronco
09-02-2011, 07:14 AM
Umm...did you miss Orton's game against the Raiders last year?

Quinn had a whopping 26 yards passing, 0 TDs and 2 turnovers. QB rating of 7.6.

Orton wasn't even close to that bad against the Raiders.

That One Guy
09-02-2011, 07:16 AM
Not true with the new rules. In fact, quite the opposite, the 3rd string is much more likely to see the field now especially in our case if Tebow remains there.

I would not be surprised at all if the 3rd QB is just done away with. If you're dipping that low in your QB depth, you've already lost the game. Just get a WR to take some practice snaps at QB and move forward. That roster spot will be used elsewhere and not wasted on the 3rd QB.

colonelbeef
09-02-2011, 07:17 AM
The simple fact that McDaniels wanted him and traded for him should be reason enough to know that he is a terrible QB, and should be released immediately.

He might be a decent QB coach, but he is an awful talent evaluator.

Beantown Bronco
09-02-2011, 07:29 AM
I would not be surprised at all if the 3rd QB is just done away with. If you're dipping that low in your QB depth, you've already lost the game. Just get a WR to take some practice snaps at QB and move forward. That roster spot will be used elsewhere and not wasted on the 3rd QB.

It's not going anywhere. They went out of their way in the new CBA to expand gameday rosters from 45 to 46 so teams could now carry a third QB and put him in at any time in the game, instead of essentially having to wait until the 4th quarter before.

Agamemnon
09-02-2011, 08:39 AM
Quinn had a whopping 26 yards passing, 0 TDs and 2 turnovers. QB rating of 7.6.

Orton wasn't even close to that bad against the Raiders.

Seriously? LOL

Beantown Bronco
09-02-2011, 08:44 AM
Seriously? LOL

Yup, seriously. Orton had 200 yds, two TDs (and no, neither of them came in the 4th quarter) and a QB rating that was literally 10x the rating Quinn had. It's not even close.

Agamemnon
09-02-2011, 08:54 AM
Yup, seriously. Orton had 200 yds, two TDs (and no, neither of them came in the 4th quarter) and a QB rating that was literally 10x the rating Quinn had. It's not even close.

I thought we were talking about a half. Because as I recall in the first half of that game Orton threw a pick six and then fumbled the ball deep in his own territory. He only managed to produce any offense once the Raiders had put up over 30 points in the half. And he had more pass attempts mind you.

As far as bad halves go they are pretty much a wash. Of course one was in the regular season, but that's neither here nor there...

brncobrett
09-02-2011, 09:05 AM
Two decent games and one terrible one doesn't seem all that great to me. Especially seeing as he has no developmental value as a #3.

I agree..

Kaylore
09-02-2011, 09:05 AM
I thought we were talking about a half. Because as I recall in the first half of that game Orton threw a pick six and then fumbled the ball deep in his own territory. He only managed to produce any offense once the Raiders had put up over 30 points in the half. And he had more pass attempts mind you.

As far as bad halves go they are pretty much a wash. Of course one was in the regular season, but that's neither here nor there...

Um no. Kyle Orton scored a touchdown in his half and actually converted a first down several times. I'm not sure Quinn ever converted a first down all night.

Beantown Bronco
09-02-2011, 09:07 AM
I thought we were talking about a half. Because as I recall in the first half of that game Orton threw a pick six and then fumbled the ball deep in his own territory. He only managed to produce any offense once the Raiders had put up over 30 points in the half. And he had more pass attempts mind you.

As far as bad halves go they are pretty much a wash. Of course one was in the regular season, but that's neither here nor there...

A wash? Comparing even that first half of the game, you're looking at:

90 passing yds vs 26
14 yds rushing vs 0
1 TD vs 0 TDs
Both had 2 turnovers, so that's a wash
Not sure of Kyle's first half rating, but (considering he ended with a mid 70s figure) it's easily over 50 compared to 7.6 for Quinn.

And, like you said, Orton's was against one of the top regular season defenses last year. Quinn's was against guys that may not even be in the league next week.

Agamemnon
09-02-2011, 09:11 AM
A wash? Comparing even that first half of the game, you're looking at:

90 passing yds vs 26
14 yds rushing vs 0
1 TD vs 0 TDs
Both had 2 turnovers, so that's a wash
Not sure of Kyle's first half rating, but (considering he ended with a mid 70s figure) it's easily over 50 compared to 7.6 for Quinn.

And, like you said, Orton's was against one of the top regular season defenses last year. Quinn's was against guys that may not even be in the league next week.

Guess I'm just in the habit of ignoring garbage yards by Orton. He managed a drive when the game was already out of hand. Doesn't change my opinion of how bad that half was for him.

Oh and a pick six isn't just any turnover.

Powderaddict
09-02-2011, 09:16 AM
I say release him. He doesn't really serve a purpose on this squad.

He's not as good as Orton.

He's not a developmental quarterback.

He's not a reliable veteran that can take over in case of injury.

He's a #3. And Weber is liable to get snatched off of waivers. It makes more sense to keep Orton, Tebow, Weber.

I agree. I was high on Quinn until last night, that wasn't just a case of "a bad game". That was flat out terrible.

A tiny bit of pressure and he just looked so lost.

Powderaddict
09-02-2011, 09:21 AM
Statistcally Quinn was worse than Orton versus the raiders.

I will never have the vitriol or ire for Quinn's first half in a preseason game against the Cardinals that I still harbor for Orton's against the raiders.

Statistically, yes, Quinn was worse. In a couple days I will have forgotten about it and will never think of it again in my life. I wish I could say that about the raiders game.

Agamemnon
09-02-2011, 09:24 AM
Statistcally Quinn was worse that Orton versus the raiders.

I will never have the vitriol or ire for Quinn's first half in a preseason game against the Cardinals that I still harbor for Orton's against the raiders.

Statistically, yes, Quinn was worse. In a couple days I will have forgotten about it and will never think of it again in my life. I wish I could say that about the raiders game.

That was the game where I gave up on Orton. And I haven't looked back.

Powderaddict
09-02-2011, 09:25 AM
That was the game where I gave up on Orton. And I haven't looked back.

Me too. And McDaniels.

I want revenge.

Mile High Mojoe
09-02-2011, 09:46 AM
He had his chance to be #2 and he proved he doesn't belong in the NFL

Agreed.

bronco militia
09-02-2011, 09:57 AM
Statistcally Quinn was worse than Orton versus the raiders.

I will never have the vitriol or ire for Quinn's first half in a preseason game against the Cardinals that I still harbor for Orton's against the raiders.

Statistically, yes, Quinn was worse. In a couple days I will have forgotten about it and will never think of it again in my life. I wish I could say that about the raiders game.

I'm still wondering where Quinn looked good enough in this entire pre-season. Must have been durring practice?

Powderaddict
09-02-2011, 10:14 AM
I'm still wondering where Quinn looked good enough in this entire pre-season. Must have been durring practice?

He looked much more poised and confident against Dallas.

Hulamau
09-02-2011, 10:16 AM
Has Weber ever thrown a pass in the NFL?

Yeah 1 for 88 yards last night! A promising average indeed :-) Plus he showed more moxie on that scramble toward the end zone that came up one inch short than I've seen from Quinn in his NFL career .... Im definitely for keeping him over Quinn.

No way Quinn should have S*** the bed so badly last night with so much on the line for him after 5 years in the league. Orton, Tebow and Weber we will be lucky to make some potential playoff noise with Orton as it is and if he goes down we are definitely in the Andrew Luck sweepstakes, so might as well continue developing the two newer guys that guy the best chance of backing up Luck or whomever we get next year to really run this ship.

Perhaps Tebow can really learn to pass in this league in a consistent way and I'm not giving up on him but he isn't at all ready yet by a long shot and is likely to get killed out there before long if he was the starter.

Quinn reverted to 'Deer in the Headlights' mode last night and was just plain awful... Granted this back up O-line is a joke but Quinn had plenty of time on a couple INTs last night and still threw em right to the wrong guy.

vbplaya
09-02-2011, 10:18 AM
That was the game where I gave up on Orton. And I haven't looked back.

So is it safe to say that if Tebow has a game that is "worse" statistically than Orton's raider game ... that you'll finally get off his sack as well?

Orton had 2 turnovers and one went for a TD ... that happens ... and it happens quite frequently by some VERY good QBs in the NFL ... but hey ... nobody says your biased ... right?

Oh ... and lets not forget that the defense allowed 6 TD drives of over 55+ yards ... but NO ... lets be sure that Orton carries the blame for that beat down. Afterall ... it's quite normal for a defense to give up 6 long drives for TDs in a game and 328 yards rushing. Hell, our stingy D only allowed McFadden 165 yards with a 10.3 ypc average.

DAMMIT ORTON ... HOW COULD YOU?!?

BMF Bronco
09-02-2011, 10:21 AM
Orton had 2 turnovers and one went for a TD ... that happens ... and it happens quite frequently by some VERY good QBs in the NFL ... but hey ... nobody says your biased ... right?


DAMMIT ORTON ... HOW COULD YOU?!?

HOw many 3 & outs did he have????

Agamemnon
09-02-2011, 10:22 AM
So is it safe to say that if Tebow has a game that is "worse" statistically than Orton's raider game ... that you'll finally get off his sack as well?

Orton had 2 turnovers and one went for a TD ... that happens ... and it happens quite frequently by some VERY good QBs in the NFL ... but hey ... nobody says your biased ... right?

Oh ... and lets not forget that the defense allowed 6 TD drives of over 55+ yards ... but NO ... lets be sure that Orton carries the blame for that beat down. Afterall ... it's quite normal for a defense to give up 6 long drives for TDs in a game and 328 yards rushing. Hell, our stingy D only allowed McFadden 165 yards with a 10.3 ypc average.

DAMMIT ORTON ... HOW COULD YOU?!?

It wasn't that one game my friend. It was a season and a half of watching him. If Tebow manages the same level of uninspired mediocrity I'll certainly move on from him as well. Right now I'm still waiting for him to have a genuinely bad game.

Cito Pelon
09-02-2011, 10:24 AM
Well, in defense of BQ, that's the best performance by a blind QB in a 4th PS game I've ever seen.

teknic
09-02-2011, 10:33 AM
So is it safe to say that if Tebow has a game that is "worse" statistically than Orton's raider game ... that you'll finally get off his sack as well?

Orton had 2 turnovers and one went for a TD ... that happens ... and it happens quite frequently by some VERY good QBs in the NFL ... but hey ... nobody says your biased ... right?

Oh ... and lets not forget that the defense allowed 6 TD drives of over 55+ yards ... but NO ... lets be sure that Orton carries the blame for that beat down. Afterall ... it's quite normal for a defense to give up 6 long drives for TDs in a game and 328 yards rushing. Hell, our stingy D only allowed McFadden 165 yards with a 10.3 ypc average.

DAMMIT ORTON ... HOW COULD YOU?!?

Orton apologists are funny. How anyone could defend his poor play in that historical beat down by the Raiders is beyond me. That was a complete AbOrton of a game.

The defense likely wouldn't have played so poorly if Orton could manage to move the offense at all. With his turnovers and 3 and outs, the defense was on the field for pretty much the entire half.

It also doesn't help that the very first offensive play of the game was a pick-six by Orton....

In that game, Orton couldn't do anything until the game was completely out of reach and the Raiders were playing some prevent D.
DENVER
First Downs 11
Third Down Efficiency 18% (2 of 11)
Fourth Down Efficiency 0% (0 of 2)
TIME OF POSSESSION 21:21 (Raiders had double our possession time at 38 minutes, and the majority of Denver's possession time was in the second half.)

PRBronco
09-02-2011, 10:35 AM
And yet he will remain. Just hopefully not with us.

Leinart is still in somehow and he never developed, like Quinn, "being the best quarterback to ever come out of college."

Wtf is that quote from?

Crushaholic
09-02-2011, 10:41 AM
Orton apologists are funny. How anyone could defend his poor play in that historical beat down by the Raiders is beyond me. That was a complete AbOrton of a game.

The defense likely wouldn't have played so poorly if Orton could manage to move the offense at all. With his turnovers and 3 and outs, the defense was on the field for pretty much the entire half.

It also doesn't help that the very first offensive play of the game was a pick-six by Orton....

In that game, Orton couldn't do anything until the game was completely out of reach and the Raiders were playing some prevent D.
DENVER
First Downs 11
Third Down Efficiency 18% (2 of 11)
Fourth Down Efficiency 0% (0 of 2)
TIME OF POSSESSION 21:21 (Raiders had double our possession time at 38 minutes, and the majority of Denver's possession time was in the second half.)

After that game, Orton went on to have a whale of a season, statistically. And, that was WITHOUT the threat of a running game...

Beantown Bronco
09-02-2011, 10:43 AM
Orton apologists are funny. How anyone could defend his poor play in that historical beat down by the Raiders is beyond me. That was a complete AbOrton of a game.

Nobody is defending his poor play in that game. Nobody. All anyone is doing is stating that his performance in that game was not as bad as Quinn's last night. That's it.

The defense likely wouldn't have played so poorly if Orton could manage to move the offense at all. With his turnovers and 3 and outs, the defense was on the field for pretty much the entire half.

Please. While the three and outs obviously didn't help, the defense sucked from play #1. The Raiders first two offensive drives of the game averaged about 9 yards per play and both resulted in TDs.

It also doesn't help that the very first offensive play of the game was a pick-six by Orton....

Hey, it actually helped rest the defense if anything. :)

In that game, Orton couldn't do anything until the game was completely out of reach and the Raiders were playing some prevent D.

Well, to be fair, the game was completely out of reach in the beginning of the second quarter. So he really didn't have a heck of a lot of time to "do anything" before it got out of hand. 75% of the drives we had happened after that point, so it's only logical that that is where he would do the most.

Cito Pelon
09-02-2011, 10:52 AM
Orton apologists are funny. How anyone could defend his poor play in that historical beat down by the Raiders is beyond me. That was a complete AbOrton of a game.

The defense likely wouldn't have played so poorly if Orton could manage to move the offense at all. With his turnovers and 3 and outs, the defense was on the field for pretty much the entire half.

It also doesn't help that the very first offensive play of the game was a pick-six by Orton....

In that game, Orton couldn't do anything until the game was completely out of reach and the Raiders were playing some prevent D.
DENVER
First Downs 11
Third Down Efficiency 18% (2 of 11)
Fourth Down Efficiency 0% (0 of 2)
TIME OF POSSESSION 21:21 (Raiders had double our possession time at 38 minutes, and the majority of Denver's possession time was in the second half.)

I think the point was the entire team sucked, not just Orton.

teknic
09-02-2011, 10:53 AM
Nobody is defending his poor play in that game. Nobody. All anyone is doing is stating that his performance in that game was not as bad as Quinn's last night. That's it.

It wasn't just his poor play in that game that was inexcusable, it was his poor play over the entire season.

Quinn looked completely awful last night, but I'd still like to see him start over Orton this season (may be a case of be careful what you wish for though, I also wanted Chris Simms to start over Orton after Orton played like garbage in preseason in 2009). At least Quinn has shown some flashes in his career, particularly that game against the Broncos in 2007 when Quinn almost lead the Browns to a victory.

I'm not saying Quinn is a great QB in this league, but I would certainly say that Orton is NOT worth starting. So why not give Quinn or Tebow a chance? I've seen what Orton can do, and I'm entirely unimpressed. I want to see what Tebow or Quinn can do with the first team offense. If they fail, so be it, we'll move on and draft a new QB.

teknic
09-02-2011, 10:53 AM
After that game, Orton went on to have a whale of a season, statistically. And, that was WITHOUT the threat of a running game...

Garbage. Time.

teknic
09-02-2011, 10:58 AM
I think the point was the entire team sucked, not just Orton.

I wouldn't say otherwise, the Broncos defense was abysmal last season, and the running game was non-existent. Good QBs find a way to win, or at the very least stay competitive in a game and not be embarrassed on your home field. Orton did absolutely nothing to help the Broncos in that game, or during last season.

Tebow played with that same defense and running game and almost lead the Broncos to a victory against the Raiders IN OAKLAND, in his very first NFL start, with a temporary coaching staff....

Yeah, I put a lot of the blame for last season on Orton. So what?

razorwire77
09-02-2011, 10:59 AM
Typical Mane extremes. Quinn had two solid games, and one horrible one, so let's cut him. The entire 2nd team offense was garbage yesterday (including Brady). The WR's were running terrible routes and not getting open, when they did get open, I counted 3 drops. I not defending the guy's performance, but the line, the receivers, and Lance Ball were all caca too.

vbplaya
09-02-2011, 11:00 AM
It wasn't that one game my friend. It was a season and a half of watching him. If Tebow manages the same level of uninspired mediocrity I'll certainly move on from him as well. Right now I'm still waiting for him to have a genuinely bad game.

Fair enough ... I can agree with that. My only point was that Orton isn't the only one to blame for that beat down. The offense became one dimensional really early on in that game because of spotting them a big lead. It's hard to pass when everyone in the stadium knows your doing it. I'm not saying he didn't play well ... I agree ... but when you have to pass on almost every down and the defense can blitz without worry of a run ... and corners can jump routes knowing you'll have to get rid of it early ... it makes it pretty hard to run an offense ... and we all know that last years offensive line couldn't contain a roaming pack of girl scouts.

I still feel that if Orton was given a reasonable amount of time to throw the ball he would make the right decision and be a productive QB for us. Sure Tebow can scramble ... but I just don't see him hitting open recievers on a regular basis. He has his moments like last night when he hit that bomb in full stride ... but that came just a couple plays after him completely missing a wide open reciever running across the middle under no pressure.

I have NO problem with Tebow becoming the starter ... but I don't see it being necessary right now. He should earn it just like everyone else in the league and I haven't seen that yet. There is NOTHING wrong with him sitting another year ... BUT ... he needs to start putting in that "hard work" he's always talking about in practice (not just on the field) and getting himself better all around. You practice hard so that when things start blazing on the field you know what to do without thinking ... right now on the field he looks like he's doing long division.

BTW, I had the unfortune "pleasure" of being on the phone with a friend of mine who is a raider fan during that game.

vbplaya
09-02-2011, 11:10 AM
I think the point was the entire team sucked, not just Orton.

Exactly ... that was the point.

I'm not trying to defend Orton ... I'm simply saying that it was a team effort. Everyone wants to be able to place the blame on one person because it makes them feel like if they simply get rid of that guy ... then the situation is "fixed". Orton had a bad game ... but the entire team did and as I stated before ... running an offense where everyone knows what you are going to do makes it difficult to execute.

baja
09-02-2011, 11:19 AM
The simple fact that McDaniels wanted him and traded for him should be reason enough to know that he is a terrible QB, and should be released immediately.

He might be a decent QB coach, but he is an awful talent evaluator.

McD also took Tebow in the first round before another team could grab him was that another mistake.

vbplaya
09-02-2011, 11:35 AM
McD also took Tebow in the first round before another team could grab him was that another mistake.

LOL

I was thinking the exact same thing when I read that ...

Powderaddict
09-02-2011, 11:47 AM
So is it safe to say that if Tebow has a game that is "worse" statistically than Orton's raider game ... that you'll finally get off his sack as well?

Orton had 2 turnovers and one went for a TD ... that happens ... and it happens quite frequently by some VERY good QBs in the NFL ... but hey ... nobody says your biased ... right?

Oh ... and lets not forget that the defense allowed 6 TD drives of over 55+ yards ... but NO ... lets be sure that Orton carries the blame for that beat down. Afterall ... it's quite normal for a defense to give up 6 long drives for TDs in a game and 328 yards rushing. Hell, our stingy D only allowed McFadden 165 yards with a 10.3 ypc average.

DAMMIT ORTON ... HOW COULD YOU?!?

So you're saying that Orton had nothing to do with that beatdown?

vbplaya
09-02-2011, 01:11 PM
So you're saying that Orton had nothing to do with that beatdown?

apparently you didnt read the posts following the post you quoted...

Cito Pelon
09-02-2011, 01:31 PM
So you're saying that Orton had nothing to do with that beatdown?

C'mon now, dude said nothing of the kind. Don't be a jerk.

Powderaddict
09-02-2011, 01:37 PM
C'mon now, dude said nothing of the kind. Don't be a jerk.

And the post originally quoted said nothing about Orton being the only problem...

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3276791&postcount=63

Agamemnon
09-02-2011, 01:56 PM
BTW, I had the unfortune "pleasure" of being on the phone with a friend of mine who is a raider fan during that game.

By the way, how do you do that? I've never met a Raiders fan I didn't want to punch in the face to be honest. I can't imagine being a friend of one of those...people. :raidersux

vbplaya
09-02-2011, 02:26 PM
By the way, how do you do that? I've never met a Raiders fan I didn't want to punch in the face to be honest. I can't imagine being a friend of one of those...people. :raidersux

Old college roommates ... he was even the best man in my wedding. Ya ... he's got his flaws (namely one in particular) but he is a true fan of his team and I can respect that ... we just had a deal early on that when they play each other ... no matter how bad their team is beating the others ... we don't rub it in ... because we are both so passionate about our team that we know it would have ended with one of us in the hospital.

Oh ... one more note ... and I KNOW this may piss some of you off ... but I can't help but to notice the simularities of the conversations on here about Tebows potential, his strong arm and scrambling capabilities to the conversations with my bud about JaMarcus Russell for the last few years until he finally realized he was a lost cause. I'M SORRY ... I couldn't help but to notice.

Tebow may be a stud one day ... but just as I would always say about Russell ... I just don't see it. Hopefully I'm proven wrong ...

Archer81
09-02-2011, 02:55 PM
Oh ... one more note ... and I KNOW this may piss some of you off ... but I can't help but to notice the simularities of the conversations on here about Tebows potential, his strong arm and scrambling capabilities to the conversations with my bud about JaMarcus Russell for the last few years until he finally realized he was a lost cause. I'M SORRY ... I couldn't help but to notice. ...


Tebow has a work ethic. Jabarcus the hut did not. That makes all the difference in the world.


:Broncos:

PRBronco
09-02-2011, 02:59 PM
Old college roommates ... he was even the best man in my wedding. Ya ... he's got his flaws (namely one in particular) but he is a true fan of his team and I can respect that ... we just had a deal early on that when they play each other ... no matter how bad their team is beating the others ... we don't rub it in ... because we are both so passionate about our team that we know it would have ended with one of us in the hospital.

Oh ... one more note ... and I KNOW this may piss some of you off ... but I can't help but to notice the simularities of the conversations on here about Tebows potential, his strong arm and scrambling capabilities to the conversations with my bud about JaMarcus Russell for the last few years until he finally realized he was a lost cause. I'M SORRY ... I couldn't help but to notice.

Tebow may be a stud one day ... but just as I would always say about Russell ... I just don't see it. Hopefully I'm proven wrong ...

Jamarcus had scrambling capabilities? Are you assuming that because he's black?

Also I feel your pain, one of my best friends is a Chargers fan. We have an extremely strict no smack talk rule, we generally don't talk for a week or two after a game because of rage.

Archer81
09-02-2011, 03:03 PM
Jamarcus had scrambling capabilities? Are you assuming that because he's black?

Also I feel your pain, one of my best friends is a Chargers fan. We have an extremely strict no smack talk rule, we generally don't talk for a week or two after a game because of rage.


Some of my best friends are Steeler fans. Luckily, they are 1400 miles away.


:Broncos:

Agamemnon
09-02-2011, 03:03 PM
Old college roommates ... he was even the best man in my wedding. Ya ... he's got his flaws (namely one in particular) but he is a true fan of his team and I can respect that ... we just had a deal early on that when they play each other ... no matter how bad their team is beating the others ... we don't rub it in ... because we are both so passionate about our team that we know it would have ended with one of us in the hospital.

Oh ... one more note ... and I KNOW this may piss some of you off ... but I can't help but to notice the simularities of the conversations on here about Tebows potential, his strong arm and scrambling capabilities to the conversations with my bud about JaMarcus Russell for the last few years until he finally realized he was a lost cause. I'M SORRY ... I couldn't help but to notice.

Tebow may be a stud one day ... but just as I would always say about Russell ... I just don't see it. Hopefully I'm proven wrong ...

I'm sorry, but did you just compare a mental retard addicted to purple drank to Tebow? And here I was trying to be respectful of your posts...

vbplaya
09-02-2011, 03:03 PM
Tebow has a work ethic. Jabarcus the hut did not. That makes all the difference in the world.


:Broncos:

Again ... where was that "work ethic" in the off season? He had 7-8 months where he could have put in that work that everyone talks about so much and made strides towards refining his game ... but he didn't. I know ... I know ... we were in the middle of a lockout ... and yet other players across the league were able to do it and they don't need it nearly as bad as Tebow. I think Tebow thought the job was his so he didn't put in the effort he may have if he knew he'd be fighting for it at the beginning of camp.

PRBronco
09-02-2011, 03:05 PM
Again ... where was that "work ethic" in the off season? He had 7-8 months where he could have put in that work that everyone talks about so much and made strides towards refining his game ... but he didn't. I know ... I know ... we were in the middle of a lockout ... and yet other players across the league were able to do it and they don't need it nearly as bad as Tebow. I think Tebow thought the job was his so he didn't put in the effort he may have if he knew he'd be fighting for it at the beginning of camp.

Yes he did. There were articles galore.

Patently false. PATENTLY.

Archer81
09-02-2011, 03:06 PM
Again ... where was that "work ethic" in the off season? He had 7-8 months where he could have put in that work that everyone talks about so much and made strides towards refining his game ... but he didn't. I know ... I know ... we were in the middle of a lockout ... and yet other players across the league were able to do it and they don't need it nearly as bad as Tebow. I think Tebow thought the job was his so he didn't put in the effort he may have if he knew he'd be fighting for it at the beginning of camp.


I wont reargue what has been argued in nearly every thread posted here the last month. You made the assertion that Tebow = Russell. That's not only untrue but kind of ridiculous. You may want to rethink that statement.


:Broncos:

Agamemnon
09-02-2011, 03:06 PM
Again ... where was that "work ethic" in the off season? He had 7-8 months where he could have put in that work that everyone talks about so much and made strides towards refining his game ... but he didn't. I know ... I know ... we were in the middle of a lockout ... and yet other players across the league were able to do it and they don't need it nearly as bad as Tebow. I think Tebow thought the job was his so he didn't put in the effort he may have if he knew he'd be fighting for it at the beginning of camp.

He worked all offseason. Suddenly it's becoming painfully clear how much of an idiot you are...

vbplaya
09-02-2011, 03:11 PM
I'm sorry, but did you just compare a mental retard addicted to purple drank to Tebow? And here I was trying to be respectful of your posts...

I know it is a sin to mention a raider player and a bronco player in the same breath ... so I don't blame any of you for ripping me apart on that one ...

:punched:

I was just making an observation ...

Agamemnon
09-02-2011, 03:15 PM
I know it is a sin to mention a raider player and a bronco player in the same breath ... so I don't blame any of you for ripping me apart on that one ...

:punched:

I was just making an observation ...

Russell isn't a Raider anymore. But he's still big fat retard addicted to purple drank. That's the comparison that boggles my mind. Not the comparison between a Raider and a Bronco.

Rolandftw
09-02-2011, 03:28 PM
If Tebow worked all offseason, I wonder what it was that he worked on--as it doesn't look like his overall QB play improved. You could argue if anything, he looks like more of a rookie then he did late last year.

I heard he ran some scrimmages and the like, but he also spent weeks promoting his autobiography. I'm sure if you're a Tebow fan, you're going to defend what he did and everything, while Tebow haters will use anything he does to make him look bad.

But I think most people could admit that he could have done more then he did during the offseason.

Agamemnon
09-02-2011, 03:31 PM
If Tebow worked all offseason, I wonder what it was that he worked on--as it doesn't look like his overall QB play improved. You could argue if anything, he looks like more of a rookie then he did late last year.

I heard he ran some scrimmages and the like, but he also spent weeks promoting his autobiography. I'm sure if you're a Tebow fan, you're going to defend what he did and everything, while Tebow haters will use anything he does to make him look bad.

But I think most people could admit that he could have done more then he did during the offseason.

Jesus Christ this stupidity just won't stop. Tebow does not look worse than last year. He has clearly improved. He posted a 109 passer rating through preseason you fool.

Archer81
09-02-2011, 03:33 PM
If Tebow worked all offseason, I wonder what it was that he worked on--as it doesn't look like his overall QB play improved. You could argue if anything, he looks like more of a rookie then he did late last year.

I heard he ran some scrimmages and the like, but he also spent weeks promoting his autobiography. I'm sure if you're a Tebow fan, you're going to defend what he did and everything, while Tebow haters will use anything he does to make him look bad.

But I think most people could admit that he could have done more then he did during the offseason.


...


:Broncos:

vbplaya
09-02-2011, 03:39 PM
I wont reargue what has been argued in nearly every thread posted here the last month. You made the assertion that Tebow = Russell. That's not only untrue but kind of ridiculous. You may want to rethink that statement.


:Broncos:

I'm sorry ... but that remains to be seen on whether Tebow will be a flop or not. I am not comparing them as the type of person they are ... I am comparing expectations vs actual ability and how people argue these expectations.

I can understand the Tebow = Russell simplification but that is a leap from what I was commenting on. It's more of a comment on how we as fans discuss/dicussed them.

AmericanBroncFan
09-02-2011, 03:40 PM
I was sure that woman QB in kc named cassy was the worst QB in the afc West unitl quinn played last night.

Agamemnon
09-02-2011, 03:42 PM
I'm sorry ... but that remains to be seen on whether Tebow will be a flop or not. I am not comparing them as the type of person they are ... I am comparing expectations vs actual ability and how people argue these expectations.

I can understand the Tebow = Russell simplification but that is a leap from what I was commenting on. It's more of a comment on how we as fans discuss/dicussed them.

There are high expectations with every 1st round QB...

OABB
09-02-2011, 03:42 PM
Jesus Christ this stupidity just won't stop. Tebow does not look worse than last year. He has clearly improved. He posted a 109 passer rating through preseason you fool.

if these people are this out of touch with reality around football, imagine what their real lives are like...scary.

vbplaya
09-02-2011, 03:50 PM
He worked all offseason. Suddenly it's becoming painfully clear how much of an idiot you are...

Just curious ... but at what point do your comments start to resort to the following format?

< contradictory statement > ... < name calling >

You must have been utterly unstoppable on your HS debate team ...

I know that there are instances of him practicing in the offseason but they are few and far between. I PERSONALLY don't feel he put in enough "hard work" ... and that isn't up for debate. That is my opinion ... and as stated above ... this has been argued and argued many times ... so we don't need to argue it now. I just don't believe him to have the "work ethic" everyone keeps hanging their hat on ... again ... I hope he proves me wrong ... but just like everyone else ... I have an opinion ... and you're not going to change it on this thread. Sorry...

vbplaya
09-02-2011, 03:50 PM
There are high expectations with every 1st round QB...

Agreed...

vbplaya
09-02-2011, 03:58 PM
I was sure that woman QB in kc named cassy was the worst QB in the afc West unitl quinn played last night.

Are you serious? How dare you make a comment relevant to the thread title after the 2nd page?

Hilarious!

Agamemnon
09-02-2011, 03:58 PM
Just curious ... but at what point do your comments start to resort to the following format?

< contradictory statement > ... < name calling >

You must have been utterly unstoppable on your HS debate team ...

I know that there are instances of him practicing in the offseason but they are few and far between. I PERSONALLY don't feel he put in enough "hard work" ... and that isn't up for debate. That is my opinion ... and as stated above ... this has been argued and argued many times ... so we don't need to argue it now. I just don't believe him to have the "work ethic" everyone keeps hanging their hat on ... again ... I hope he proves me wrong ... but just like everyone else ... I have an opinion ... and you're not going to change it on this thread. Sorry...

The two opinions you have posted:

1) Tebow lacks in work ethic.

2) Tebow is similar to Jamarcus Russel.

I'm sorry, but there are times that a person can only say "wow you are stupid". And this is one of those times.

vbplaya
09-02-2011, 04:06 PM
The two opinions you have posted:

1) Tebow lacks in work ethic.

2) Tebow is similar to Jamarcus Russel.

I'm sorry, but there are times that a person can only say "wow you are stupid". And this is one of those times.

We'll see ...

cutthemdown
09-02-2011, 04:24 PM
I think Broncos hoped he would play well and they could trade him. That was a crap performance, Tebow way better then Quinn as far as just being a gamer. Quinn isn't a gamer. He may throw a pretty ball, but Tebow coming in for a winded or injured Orton would be much better because he is unpredictable. With a starter you don't want that, but for a series or 2 at the end of a game, the fact defense didn't gameplan can really work to Tebows advantage. Quinn they would just be able to use same game plan. Not Mobile, throws from the pocket etc etc.

Powderaddict
09-02-2011, 05:03 PM
Wait.... what?!

Tebow is being likened to Jamarcus?

I honestly am speechless. And that happens so rarely.

Mogulseeker
09-02-2011, 06:48 PM
Tebow worked hard, but he didn't have an entire team and a coach guiding him along. As raw as he is, he could have benefited greatly from this.

Rolandftw
09-02-2011, 09:19 PM
Jesus Christ this stupidity just won't stop. Tebow does not look worse than last year. He has clearly improved. He posted a 109 passer rating through preseason you fool.

Yeah. And other than a few deep passes, he's looked lost out there. I imagine he would look even more lost playing against a first team defense. I'll admit he throws a good long ball. But he's a terrible QB if he's not playing a shotgun set, which makes him a terrible fit for Fox's style of play.

And if he's better, in what regards has he played better? And besides, my point wasn't so much that he's regressed but more so that he could have done more then what he did during the offseason.

Archer81
09-02-2011, 10:08 PM
And if he's better, in what regards has he played better? And besides, my point wasn't so much that he's regressed but more so that he could have done more then what he did during the offseason.


Like what?


:Broncos:

Agamemnon
09-03-2011, 04:15 AM
Yeah. And other than a few deep passes, he's looked lost out there. I imagine he would look even more lost playing against a first team defense. I'll admit he throws a good long ball. But he's a terrible QB if he's not playing a shotgun set, which makes him a terrible fit for Fox's style of play.

And if he's better, in what regards has he played better? And besides, my point wasn't so much that he's regressed but more so that he could have done more then what he did during the offseason.

His QB rating is 20 points higher than it was in last year's preseason. That is considerably better. But he's looked lost to you, that's what really matters right? ::)

Rolandftw
09-03-2011, 10:44 PM
His QB rating is 20 points higher than it was in last year's preseason. That is considerably better. But he's looked lost to you, that's what really matters right? ::)

Lol @ you going back to the QB rating. There are lots of QB's that have good QB ratings, but no one would be claiming they should be starting for their team. Brady Quinn had a higher QB rating then Tebow going into the Cardinals game and I don't think anyone would argue that he is a good QB.

What I've seen of him is that he still looks like a rookie. He gives up on a play before it starts most of the time and scrambles/get sacked way too often.

He's shown that he can make throws at times, but he's not consistent enough at it to be a starting QB in this league.

That might change if he puts the work into changing some of his flaws/getting more comfortable in the pocket.

Rolandftw
09-03-2011, 10:55 PM
As far as I can tell, most Tebow supporters wanted Tim to be handed the job and Orton to be traded. Which would be fine, if Fox hadn't announced there to be a competition. You can't name a competition to be a starter and then just hand the job to the guy that clearly was outplayed by another person. The coach would lose all credibility, and veterans would not want to be anywhere near a team where they would play the younger guy because he has "potential," over the better player (i.e. the veteran).

Everyone keeps saying we know what Orton brings us, so why not start Tebow? And it's pretty obvious--we know what Orton brings us when we have a stupid coach that wants him to throw the ball 40 times a game, because he apparently mistakes him for Tom Brady. All while running a 3-4 defense where we rarely blitz but rather sit back in coverage waiting for opposing QB's to pick apart the defense.

We don't know what kind of QB Orton can be under a balanced offensive approach, that has an aggressive defense with two elite pass rushers.

Tebow has this reputation of doing everything that he can to get better, and maybe he works his ass off during practice--but he also has his own agenda. Instead of being concerned about selling autobiography, maybe he should have concerned with improving his footwork and play in the pocket. I'm sure there were plenty of retired, veteran QB's that would have worked with him if he would have asked for their help.

BroncosinDC
09-03-2011, 10:56 PM
Lol @ you going back to the QB rating. There are lots of QB's that have good QB ratings, but no one would be claiming they should be starting for their team. Brady Quinn had a higher QB rating then Tebow going into the Cardinals game and I don't think anyone would argue that he is a good QB.

What I've seen of him is that he still looks like a rookie. He gives up on a play before it starts most of the time and scrambles/get sacked way too often.

He's shown that he can make throws at times, but he's not consistent enough at it to be a starting QB in this league.

That might change if he puts the work into changing some of his flaws/getting more comfortable in the pocket.

What if he just got laid, he'd be a lot less tense and relaxed in the pocket which would lead to good things. That's my expierance but instead of the NFL it's drinking in bars and the goal is to get laid over scoring points

Agamemnon
09-04-2011, 04:08 AM
As far as I can tell, most Tebow supporters wanted Tim to be handed the job and Orton to be traded. Which would be fine, if Fox hadn't announced there to be a competition. You can't name a competition to be a starter and then just hand the job to the guy that clearly was outplayed by another person. The coach would lose all credibility, and veterans would not want to be anywhere near a team where they would play the younger guy because he has "potential," over the better player (i.e. the veteran).

There was no competition. Orton was handed the job instead...

Agamemnon
09-04-2011, 04:09 AM
Lol @ you going back to the QB rating. There are lots of QB's that have good QB ratings, but no one would be claiming they should be starting for their team. Brady Quinn had a higher QB rating then Tebow going into the Cardinals game and I don't think anyone would argue that he is a good QB.

What I've seen of him is that he still looks like a rookie. He gives up on a play before it starts most of the time and scrambles/get sacked way too often.

He's shown that he can make throws at times, but he's not consistent enough at it to be a starting QB in this league.

That might change if he puts the work into changing some of his flaws/getting more comfortable in the pocket.

It's not an indication that he should start or not. It's an indication that he has improved from last year. That was my point.

AmericanBroncFan
09-04-2011, 05:31 AM
Oh crap roland the chef fan is here. This guy is a bear/chef fan posing as a Bronco fan. The Broncos could win the SB and he will tell the bears and chefs could've won 2.

Jay3
09-04-2011, 06:47 AM
Brady Quinn had a higher QB rating then Tebow going into the Cardinals game and I don't think anyone would argue that he is a good QB.

The thing is, they did. Given the slightest opening, lots of people were saying Quinn was clearly better than Tebow until he **** the bed, and now they've gone back to pretending they never said it.

errand
09-04-2011, 07:22 AM
I think the issue was more that many of us wanted to see him and Tebow with the starters. Not many were outright calling for him to start other than out of a sense of desperation in the face of having to see Orton starting once again.

Bulls***....

You and your clown posse have been advocating anybody but kyle orton to be our starter.

I also find it amazing that playing good in the preseason doesn't justify quinn being on the roster...... but it makes you believe that tim tebow anointed as our starter

errand
09-04-2011, 07:30 AM
Quinn had a whopping 26 yards passing, 0 TDs and 2 turnovers. QB rating of 7.6.

Orton wasn't even close to that bad against the Raiders.

They can't help it beantown..... the younger generation loves the kind of quarterbacks that can just run and only complete half of their ******* passes.... they only watched espn highlights or play the guy on madden video games.

And yes in the history of the superbowl you might of had only 1 or 2 guys that could actually scramble and still did it actually win it

Rolandftw
09-04-2011, 07:51 AM
Oh crap roland the chef fan is here. This guy is a bear/chef fan posing as a Bronco fan. The Broncos could win the SB and he will tell the bears and chefs could've won 2.

You're not very smart.

Br0nc0Buster
09-04-2011, 08:08 AM
Preseason success = regular season success

2011 preseason stats:

Derek Anderson 14/23, 263 yards, 2 TDS 0 INTS, 129 QBR
Luke McCown 12/18, 133 yards, 2TDS O INTs, 125 QBR
Richard Bartel 37/54 530 yards, 5 TDS 2 INTS, 115 QBR
Shaun Hill 22/31, 230 yards, 2 TDS 0 INTS, 113 QBR
Rudy Carpenter 24/42, 388 yards, 2 TDS 0 INTS, 104 QBR

STUDS!!!

Rolandftw
09-04-2011, 08:10 AM
There was no competition. Orton was handed the job instead...

How was he handed the job? I guess he came in as the starter and played with the first team offense and everything but don't think he ever did anything that would make him lose the job. Also don't think Tebow or Quinn did anything to make it a close decision.

I do agree that a lot of people thought Quinn was a good QB. Some argued he could or should start. I thought he looked improved, but it certainly wasn't from a QB rating. I think it's a pretty worthless stat anyways. Elway carried a QB rating that was not as high as many other QB's that basically sucked.

All it is, is a glorified efficiency rating that doesn't take into account sacks, a players ability to avoid sacks, dropped balls, rushing ability, fumbles and a number of other stats.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-04-2011, 08:26 AM
They can't help it beantown..... the younger generation loves the kind of quarterbacks that can just run and only complete half of their ******* passes.... they only watched espn highlights or play the guy on madden video games.

And yes in the history of the superbowl you might of had only 1 or 2 guys that could actually scramble and still did it actually win it

http://www.nflnewsworld.com/wp-content/uploads/Ben-Roethlisberger.jpg

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/packers-falcons-aaron-rodgers2.jpg

By history of the superbowl, are you referring to like the last five years or what?

Br0nc0Buster
09-04-2011, 08:38 AM
http://www.nflnewsworld.com/wp-content/uploads/Ben-Roethlisberger.jpg

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/packers-falcons-aaron-rodgers2.jpg

By history of the superbowl, are you referring to like the last five years or what?

Right and when Tebow shows the pocket presence and accuracy of Aaron Rodgers well be ready to compare him to superbowl champs

Right now hes more Jake Plummer than Aaron Rodgers

errand
09-04-2011, 09:05 AM
Right and when Tebow shows the pocket presence and accuracy of Aaron Rodgers well be ready to compare him to superbowl champs

Right now hes more Jake Plummer than Aaron Rodgers

Exactly.... rodgers and big ben are more well known for making plays from the pocket and perhaps just sliding around and buying an extra few milliseconds of time..... they are not 1 of the leading rushers on their team like michael vick or vince young would be...... and again in the history of the superbowl name the 5 biggest scrambles... I mean sure big ben can gain a first down by running the ball if he had to.... but he's generally looking down field when does he doesn't just take off running at the first sign of pressure

Ironlung
09-04-2011, 09:18 AM
How was he handed the job?

Umm...He got EVERY preseason rep w/ the first team. Tebow got zero...thats how he was handed the job.

yerner
09-04-2011, 09:19 AM
They can't help it beantown..... the younger generation loves the kind of quarterbacks that can just run and only complete half of their ******* passes.... they only watched espn highlights or play the guy on madden video games.

And yes in the history of the superbowl you might of had only 1 or 2 guys that could actually scramble and still did it actually win it

Btw..Tebow sucks in Madden too.

Ironlung
09-04-2011, 09:25 AM
Btw..Tebow sucks in Madden too.

I think he and Orton both suck on madden.

errand
09-04-2011, 09:42 AM
http://www.nflnewsworld.com/wp-content/uploads/Ben-Roethlisberger.jpg

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/packers-falcons-aaron-rodgers2.jpg

By history of the superbowl, are you referring to like the last five years or what?

Interesting that you would post pictures of big ben and aaron rodgers Because aaron rodgers handle the ball twice on a run and it was for negative two yard...they're called kneel downs at the end of the game he won by making plays from the pocket.

Btw.....longest scramble in SB?

Steve mcnair 23 yards lost to the immobile kurt warner

errand
09-04-2011, 09:53 AM
Best scrambling performance by a winning superbowl quarterback....

Joe montana 5-59 with longest being 19 yards and a touchdown

Some of the best scrambling quarterbacks in the history of the nfl were never able to win a superbowl

jim kelly lost 4.

Fran tarkenton lost 3

Joe Kapp lost 1

Steve mcnair lost 1

Donovan mcnabb lost 1

John elway lost 3.... ironically he did not win any superbowls until he quit running around like a mad man and made more plays from the pocket ( although his helicopter spin was an awesome run)

DarkHorse30
09-04-2011, 10:04 AM
What does Quinn's performance vs. Arizona tell us about his and Tebow's performance in the same game?

-Quinn doesn't MAKE plays when pressure is on. Tebow does. Tebow is able to get away from pressure and run out and make plays. He's not as good as, say Plummer, at throwing on the run, but he is getting better.

-Quinn is getting worse in denver's offense, Tebow is getting better AND he's learning how to discipline himself to stay in the pocket and have a better sense of pocket pressure. This comes from playing. I saw a marked improvement from our last pre-season game to this one.

Bottom line, I don't see any improvement with Quinn.....just a reputation formed from a handful of pre-season games in Denver that he can start. I don't see it. The guy is a non-achiever. I would like to see him cut; because WHY would you keep a backup that can't start?

Tebow, OTOH, is getting better. I really don't care about his mechanics at all, because as ELWAY said, "it's not an issue"; instead he is developing a better sense of the pocket and the NFL speed. His throws are getting more accurate, in effect I think the pro game is slowing down for him.

Am I a Tebow homer? No
Do I want him to succeed? Yes
Do I think he has the skill level/drive to be a starting QB in the NFL? Yes
Do I think he will be all pro? Don't know

What's funny to me is that Tebow doesn't need apologists - he's not fragile; he likely laughs/is motivated by criticism, because he's heard it his whole life.

He's a good kid that wants to be the best, and I am seriously rooting for him......just like I rooted for Orton when he was the frown cannon's replacement. Both Orton and Tebow share the same underdog status, IMO, and I nearly ALWAYS go for the underdog. It's just my nature :sunshine:

HAT
09-04-2011, 10:11 AM
What does Quinn's performance vs. Arizona tell us about his and Tebow's performance in the same game?

-Quinn doesn't MAKE plays when pressure is on. Tebow does. Tebow is able to get away from pressure and run out and make plays. He's not as good as, say Plummer, at throwing on the run, but he is getting better.

-Quinn is getting worse in denver's offense, Tebow is getting better AND he's learning how to discipline himself to stay in the pocket and have a better sense of pocket pressure. This comes from playing. I saw a marked improvement from our last pre-season game to this one.

Bottom line, I don't see any improvement with Quinn.....just a reputation formed from a handful of pre-season games in Denver that he can start. I don't see it. The guy is a non-achiever. I would like to see him cut; because WHY would you keep a backup that can't start?

Tebow, OTOH, is getting better. I really don't care about his mechanics at all, because as ELWAY said, "it's not an issue"; instead he is developing a better sense of the pocket and the NFL speed. His throws are getting more accurate, in effect I think the pro game is slowing down for him.

Am I a Tebow homer? No
Do I want him to succeed? Yes
Do I think he has the skill level/drive to be a starting QB in the NFL? Yes
Do I think he will be all pro? Don't know

What's funny to me is that Tebow doesn't need apologists - he's not fragile; he likely laughs/is motivated by criticism, because he's heard it his whole life.

He's a good kid that wants to be the best, and I am seriously rooting for him......just like I rooted for Orton when he was the frown cannon's replacement. Both Orton and Tebow share the same underdog status, IMO, and I nearly ALWAYS go for the underdog. It's just my nature :sunshine:

EXCELLENT post!

Sums up my POV perfectly. Tebow is the future, the future just isn't now.

errand
09-04-2011, 10:29 AM
EXCELLENT post!

Sums up my POV perfectly. Tebow is the future, the future just isn't now.

Exactly...I like Tebow personally....same with Hillis..but when you've got a butt load of clowns in here spouting their greatness when the kid clearly is behind or hasn't shown enough to start, it almost makes you kind of irritated by him because of his hero worshippers

Agamemnon
09-04-2011, 04:44 PM
Right and when Tebow shows the pocket presence and accuracy of Aaron Rodgers well be ready to compare him to superbowl champs

Right now hes more Jake Plummer than Aaron Rodgers

Jake Plummer > Kyle Orton

Just saying...

Jesterhole
09-04-2011, 04:56 PM
It comes down to a matter of time. If Tim is the future, then we need to start actually developing him, which mean letting him get in there and play. Playing Orton this year just delays that development. This is Fox's first year in a rebuild...the perfect time to play a young QB.

There is no question that Orton will probably be more effective at the position starting tomorrow. I don't think that would be true 8-10 games down the line if Tebow was given a chance to play when it matters.

At any rate, Kyle will get injured at some point this year, and Tim will get his chance. Last year, he kept the job even though Kyle could have played. He'll just have to do it again if he wants to start.

mhgaffney
09-04-2011, 04:59 PM
Best scrambling performance by a winning superbowl quarterback....

Joe montana 5-59 with longest being 19 yards and a touchdown

Some of the best scrambling quarterbacks in the history of the nfl were never able to win a superbowl

jim kelly lost 4.

Fran tarkenton lost 3

Joe Kapp lost 1

Steve mcnair lost 1

Donovan mcnabb lost 1

John elway lost 3.... ironically he did not win any superbowls until he quit running around like a mad man and made more plays from the pocket ( although his helicopter spin was an awesome run)

Yes and it was a scramble.

We love srcamblers in Denver.

baja
09-04-2011, 05:15 PM
Jake Plummer > Kyle Orton

Just saying...

The one thing both had in common is neither could rise to the occasion when most needed.

Agamemnon
09-04-2011, 05:17 PM
The one thing both had in common is neither could rise to the occasion when most needed.

It's true, but at least Plummer knew how to make a play from time to time.

DrFate
09-04-2011, 05:20 PM
The one thing both had in common is neither could rise to the occasion when most needed.

Has Orton ever played in a playoff game?

Plummer started 6

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PlumJa00.htm

baja
09-04-2011, 05:21 PM
It's true, but at least Plummer knew how to make a play from time to time.

Not only than Plummer was ambidextrous, he could make a play for either team.

HAT
09-04-2011, 05:22 PM
Jake Plummer > Kyle Orton

Just saying...

AFAIK Orton doesn't even play handball so I would hope that Plummer is >

:thumbsup:

errand
09-05-2011, 04:32 AM
Yes and it was a scramble.

We love srcamblers in Denver.


so why did virtually every poster on this site hate Plummer?

Dedhed
09-05-2011, 04:53 AM
Right and when Tebow shows the pocket presence and accuracy of Aaron Rodgers well be ready to compare him to superbowl champs

Right now hes more Jake Plummer than Aaron Rodgers

I noticed you ignored Raplisberger.

errand
09-05-2011, 04:55 AM
I noticed you ignored Raplisberger.

...well, when Tebow wins a SB and attacks 20 year old co-eds in tavern bathrooms.......

Dedhed
09-05-2011, 05:09 AM
...well, when Tebow wins a SB and attacks 20 year old co-eds in tavern bathrooms.......

sigh...

Agamemnon
09-05-2011, 05:12 AM
sigh...

It's better not to read or respond to errand's posts. They cause brain damage.

AlienBronco
09-05-2011, 05:16 AM
AFAIK Orton doesn't even play handball so I would hope that Plummer is >

:thumbsup:

Good, Orton would probably fall and hurt his ankle! I wouldn't want to lose our best QB to injury.:sunshine:

ozomulsion
09-05-2011, 07:08 AM
As far as I can tell, most Tebow supporters wanted Tim to be handed the job and Orton to be traded. Which would be fine, if Fox hadn't announced there to be a competition. You can't name a competition to be a starter and then just hand the job to the guy that clearly was outplayed by another person. The coach would lose all credibility, and veterans would not want to be anywhere near a team where they would play the younger guy because he has "potential," over the better player (i.e. the veteran).

Everyone keeps saying we know what Orton brings us, so why not start Tebow? And it's pretty obvious--we know what Orton brings us when we have a stupid coach that wants him to throw the ball 40 times a game, because he apparently mistakes him for Tom Brady. All while running a 3-4 defense where we rarely blitz but rather sit back in coverage waiting for opposing QB's to pick apart the defense.

We don't know what kind of QB Orton can be under a balanced offensive approach, that has an aggressive defense with two elite pass rushers.

Tebow has this reputation of doing everything that he can to get better, and maybe he works his ass off during practice--but he also has his own agenda. Instead of being concerned about selling autobiography, maybe he should have concerned with improving his footwork and play in the pocket. I'm sure there were plenty of retired, veteran QB's that would have worked with him if he would have asked for their help.

I stopped reading after the part in bold. I don't want to even imagine the rest of your take is that off, but I'm sure it is.