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Dedhed
09-01-2011, 09:59 PM
The shotgun gave Tebow a couple extra seconds to throw.

There was actually one play where Tebow had a pocket and what did he do? 20 yard throw over a defenders head right into the bread basket.

I loved that teh comment on that throw was "not a lot on that ball, but it gets where it needs to go". Umm...it was a touch pass over a defender, moron.

Swedish Extrovert
09-01-2011, 09:59 PM
Adam Webber 1/1 89 yds

This is how great stats are lmao

QBOTF!

Weber has the best preseason QB rating of 118.75... start him!

Dedhed
09-01-2011, 09:59 PM
Because Kyle Orton is way better than Tebow at this point in his career and its not even close...

Not if you hold scoring points in high regard.

Bronx33
09-01-2011, 10:00 PM
Now we destroy the raiders!!!!

Swedish Extrovert
09-01-2011, 10:00 PM
I know it was just two plays, but I hope Weber somehow ends up on an NFL roster or our practice squad. Seems like a total class act.

Hamrob
09-01-2011, 10:01 PM
I like Webber. I hope we sign him to the practice squad!

KevinJames
09-01-2011, 10:03 PM
No matter. We will suck with Orton anyway. And you'll see it later in the season...

Not if you hold scoring points in high regard.


We will see Orton will have a better defense and a better running game this year.

People forget how one dimensional we were last year, kind of hard to score a TD in the red zone when teams know your gonna pass every down when your there.....

Dedhed
09-01-2011, 10:04 PM
1. The season isn't lost quite yet.
OK
2. Tebow still has some bad habits to fix before getting significant playing time (and solidifying those habits).
I'm not a believer in the "He'll learn more on the bench" take, but ok.
3. There's nothing wrong with letting him simmer like Rodgers.
This I completely disagree with. I want to know exactly what we have in Tebow before we decide to take or not take a QBOTF prospect in next year's draft.

Hulamau
09-01-2011, 10:04 PM
This is the most F***ed O line in history!

Trade Quinn keep Weber!

troya900
09-01-2011, 10:05 PM
Man Moron Sapp is such a douche

Dedhed
09-01-2011, 10:05 PM
We will see Orton will have a better defense and a better running game this year.


Just like in the Seattle game where he stuck exactly to his scoring average from last year.

Orton is a guy who will never lead a team anywhere. He'll go where his team takes him, and that is all.

epicSocialism4tw
09-01-2011, 10:05 PM
Man Moron Sapp is such a douche

Who was that announcer for Arizona?

epicSocialism4tw
09-01-2011, 10:07 PM
Tebow's the first player out there to congratulate Webber, and Orton tries not to look Tebow in the eyes as Tebow joyously runs down the field with his helmet raised toward Webber.

Steve Sewell
09-01-2011, 10:07 PM
Did Quinn really have a 7.6 QB rating in this one? ROFL

Swedish Extrovert
09-01-2011, 10:08 PM
OK

I'm not a believer in the "He'll learn more on the bench" take, but ok.

This I completely disagree with. I want to know exactly what we have in Tebow before we decide to take or not take a QBOTF prospect in next year's draft.

Have you ever played sports competitively... with a coach and everything?

troya900
09-01-2011, 10:09 PM
Tebow's the first player out there to congratulate Webber, and Orton tries not to look Tebow in the eyes as Tebow joyously runs down the field with his helmet raised toward Webber.

Haha yeah I noticed that too

epicSocialism4tw
09-01-2011, 10:09 PM
Haha yeah I noticed that too

Orton sure does talk tough for such a weak minded guy.

That's what we have our wagon hitched to.

Dedhed
09-01-2011, 10:10 PM
Have you ever played sports competitively... with a coach and everything?

I'd dare to say I'm a more accomplished athlete than most here.

Why?

Smilin Assassin
09-01-2011, 10:15 PM
Who was that announcer for Arizona?

Assuming you meant the truely lousy one: Glenn Parker. Former Buffalo Bill/NY Giant O-lineman

montrose
09-01-2011, 10:16 PM
My first guess at what the depth chart could look like, purposefuly short of 53 as I expect the team to be VERY active in claiming guys off waivers - specifically at RB, OL, DL, LB and CB.

QB: Orton, Tebow, Quinn
RB: Moreno, McGahee, Ball
FB: Larsen
WR: Lloyd, Royal, Decker, Willis, Riley
TE: Fells, Thomas, Green
LT: Clady, Clark
LG: Beadles, Hochstein
C: Walton
RG: Kuper
RT: Franklin

DE: Dumervil, Jarmon
DE: Ayers, Hunter
DT: Vickerson, McBean, Warren
DT: Bunkley, Thomas
WLB: Williams, Woodyard
MLB: Mays, Irving*
SLB: Miller, Haggan
CB: Bailey, Vaughn
CB: Goodman, Thompson*
FS: Moore, McCarthy
SS: Dawkins, Carter, Bruton

K: Prater
P: Colquitt
DS: Paxton

* If not seriously injured

Dedhed
09-01-2011, 10:17 PM
Assuming you meant the truely lousy one: Glenn Parker. Former Buffalo Bill/NY Giant O-lineman

They were both awful, but he was off the charts bad.

schaaf
09-01-2011, 10:18 PM
Speaking of that what's the word on Squid???

BroncosinDC
09-01-2011, 10:19 PM
I'd dare to say I'm a more accomplished athlete than most here.

Why?

Honorable mention All-Conference offensive linemen in high-school. And I took several dirty hits on Smurf in practice. I also watched Lendale White destroy us and chill without his pads by the second half on several occasions. No way anyone has that pedigree here.

I have also met Vance Johnson as a kid.

Hulamau
09-01-2011, 10:20 PM
I agree this truly atrocious scrub O-Line and the obvious lack of any run game has been a major handicap for Tim and Quinn. Quinn played much better with the twos in the first two games, but really crapped the field tonight.

That's what I'm afraid of with Brady and after 5 years in the league he should be farther along than he is. Id bet most of the tea in China Tebow ... if given the chance ... will be better rounded than Quinn for sure entering his fifth year.

Nevertheless, Tebow is absolutely NOT ready to start and we really do have to pray Orton stays on his feet this year.

Also, keep Weber even its on the PS... I like this kid and he might be the one to really develop with a couple years work. Reminds me a bit of Drew Brees in a way in his body and style.

Ditto for Eron Riley ... he made the team tonight.

Dedhed
09-01-2011, 10:22 PM
Honorable mention All-Conference offensive linemen in high-school. And I took several dirty hits on Smurf in practice. I also watched Lendale White destroy us and chill without his pads by the second half on several occasions. No way anyone has that pedigree here.

I have also met Vance Johnson as a kid.

Nice. Was Smurf a teammate?

Smilin Assassin
09-01-2011, 10:23 PM
Honorable mention All-Conference offensive linemen in high-school. And I took several dirty hits on Smurf in practice. I also watched Lendale White destroy us and chill without his pads by the second half on several occasions. No way anyone has that pedigree here.

I have also met Vance Johnson as a kid.


My D*ck's bigger than yours.....

epicSocialism4tw
09-01-2011, 10:23 PM
Assuming you meant the truely lousy one: Glenn Parker. Former Buffalo Bill/NY Giant O-lineman

Dude was horrible.

Agamemnon
09-01-2011, 10:24 PM
I agree this truly atrocious scrub O-Line and the obvious lack of any run game has been a major handicap for Tim and Quinn. Quinn played much better with the twos in the first two games, but really crapped the field tonight.

That's what I'm afraid of with Brady and after 5 years in the league he should be farther along than he is. Id bet most of the tea in China Tebow ... if given the chance ... will be better rounded than Quinn for sure entering his fifth year.

Nevertheless, Tebow is absolutely NOT ready to start and we really do have to pray Orton stays on his feet this year.

Also, keep Weber even its on the PS... I like this kid and he might be the one to really develop with a couple years work. Reminds me a bit of Drew Brees in a way in his body and style.

Ditto for Eron Riley ... he made the team tonight.

Tim hasn't struggled once this entire preseason, even with terrible protection throughout. People just have absurd standards that they want him to measure up to.

Quinn on the other hand played like garbage, bad line or not.

Dedhed
09-01-2011, 10:26 PM
Tim hasn't struggled once this entire preseason, even with terrible protection throughout. People just have absurd standards that they want him to measure up to.

Quinn on the other hand played like garbage, bad line or not.

I wouldn't agree that Tebow hasn't struggled once, but he is the ONLY QB to play above the level of his supporting cast.

Agamemnon
09-01-2011, 10:26 PM
Orton sure does talk tough for such a weak minded guy.

That's what we have our wagon hitched to.

Yep. And that spineless attitude is at the heart of why I can't stand the guy.

When the going gets tough, the Neckbeard gets fetal.

epicSocialism4tw
09-01-2011, 10:27 PM
I agree this truly atrocious scrub O-Line and the obvious lack of any run game has been a major handicap for Tim and Quinn. Quinn played much better with the twos in the first two games, but really crapped the field tonight.

That's what I'm afraid of with Brady and after 5 years in the league he should be farther along than he is. Id bet most of the tea in China Tebow ... if given the chance ... will be better rounded than Quinn for sure entering his fifth year.

Nevertheless, Tebow is absolutely NOT ready to start and we really do have to pray Orton stays on his feet this year.

Also, keep Weber even its on the PS... I like this kid and he might be the one to really develop with a couple years work. Reminds me a bit of Drew Brees in a way in his body and style.

Ditto for Eron Riley ... he made the team tonight.

I don't think that starting Tebow as an unexperienced player learning a new offense would seriously handicap the team any more than having Orton take snaps.

That's what it looked like when Tebow took Ortons snaps last year. Tebow would struggle and in the second half he would make plays when he got comfortable.

Hamrob
09-01-2011, 10:27 PM
Well, this weekend should be exciting. Why? Because we have 20 guys to cut....plus, another 10 guys will get cut, while we sign guys off of the trash heap!

That's 30 guys packing their bags folks! Wow!

Bronx33
09-01-2011, 10:27 PM
Anal violations are coming raiderville bring lotion or sand ( its your choice)

Dedhed
09-01-2011, 10:28 PM
Well, this weekend should be exciting. Why? Because we have 20 guys to cut....plus, another 10 guys will get cut, while we sign guys off of the trash heap!

That's 30 guys packing their bags folks! Wow!

I think 10 is a little over the top. 3-4 is reasonable.

Agamemnon
09-01-2011, 10:28 PM
I wouldn't agree that Tebow hasn't struggled once, but he is the ONLY QB to play above the level of his supporting cast.

When has he struggled? He hasn't had a single genuinely bad game this preseason. How do you define struggling?

Dedhed
09-01-2011, 10:30 PM
When has he struggled? He hasn't had a single genuinely bad game this preseason. How do you define struggling?

He hasn't struggled for a whole game like Quinn, but there have certainly been rough patches.

schaaf
09-01-2011, 10:31 PM
Honorable mention All-Conference offensive linemen in high-school. And I took several dirty hits on Smurf in practice. I also watched Lendale White destroy us and chill without his pads by the second half on several occasions. No way anyone has that pedigree here.

I have also met Vance Johnson as a kid.

Oh ****, honorable mention... Watch out for this guy

BowlenBall
09-01-2011, 10:32 PM
Tebow's 4 preseason games:

Week 1: 6/7, 91 yards, no TDs, no INTS, 15 yards rushing

Week 2: 1/2, 10 yards, no TDs, no INTs, 7 yards rushing

Week 3: 6/11, 93 yards, no TDs, no INTs, 25 yards rushing

Week 4: 7/11, 116 yards, one TD, no INTs, 8 yards rushing

Overall: 20/31, 320 yards, one TD, no INTs, 55 yards rushing

Hamrob
09-01-2011, 10:33 PM
I think 10 is a little over the top. 3-4 is reasonable.Maybe...but, those backups are weak. Our WR's have been our best position on this team...but, the rest is weak.

There will be many players released who are more talented than what we have on the roster.

Would ou rather have Ball or a guy like Clinton Portis who is a free agent? Hell, I'd take Tiki Barber over Ball.

Guys will be cut that are alot better than what we have on our roster. Any young guys....we should snatch them up.

We definitely need another RB and a boat load of lineman!

Agamemnon
09-01-2011, 10:34 PM
He hasn't struggled for a whole game like Quinn, but there have certainly been rough patches.

Oh okay, he's had some bad plays. I guess I don't really think of that as struggling, but yeah you're right.

Agamemnon
09-01-2011, 10:36 PM
Tebow's 4 preseason games:

Week 1: 6/7, 91 yards, no TDs, no INTS, 15 yards rushing

Week 2: 1/2, 10 yards, no TDs, no INTs, 7 yards rushing

Week 3: 6/11, 93 yards, no TDs, no INTs, 25 yards rushing

Week 4: 7/11, 116 yards, one TD, no INTs, 8 yards rushing

Overall: 20/31, 320 yards, one TD, no INTs, 55 yards rushing

With terrible protection throughout. Again what are people complaining about with this guy?

Oh right, he doesn't look comfortable in the pocket. Clearly that trumps actual production. ::)

Dedhed
09-01-2011, 10:37 PM
Maybe...but, those backups are weak. Our WR's have been our best position on this team...but, the rest is weak.

There will be many players released who are more talented than what we have on the roster.

Would ou rather have Ball or a guy like Clinton Portis who is a free agent? Hell, I'd take Tiki Barber over Ball.

Guys will be cut that are alot better than what we have on our roster. Any young guys....we should snatch them up.

We definitely need another RB and a boat load of lineman!

True, but I think you get to a point where bringing in that many new guys hurts you as a team in the early part of the year even if you're upgrading individuals.

epicSocialism4tw
09-01-2011, 10:38 PM
Tebow's 4 preseason games:

Week 1: 6/7, 91 yards, no TDs, no INTS, 15 yards rushing

Week 2: 1/2, 10 yards, no TDs, no INTs, 7 yards rushing

Week 3: 6/11, 93 yards, no TDs, no INTs, 25 yards rushing

Week 4: 7/11, 116 yards, one TD, no INTs, 8 yards rushing

Overall: 20/31, 320 yards, one TD, no INTs, 55 yards rushing

Tebow's completing 64.5% of his passes. That's pretty good.

After watching Quinn run for his life tonight, people should have a pretty good idea why Tebow has looked uncomfortable at times. And yet Tim still comes away from preseason with a 65% completion rate mainly playing from under center.

Dedhed
09-01-2011, 10:39 PM
With terrible protection throughout. Again what are people complaining about with this guy?

Oh right, he doesn't look comfortable in the pocket. Clearly that trumps actual production. ::)

It's clear that there are a number of folks who are more concerned with aesthetics than production.

I've always been more of a utilitarian which is why I can't stand Orton. He's ineffectively pretty.

Agamemnon
09-01-2011, 10:39 PM
Maybe...but, those backups are weak. Our WR's have been our best position on this team...but, the rest is weak.

There will be many players released who are more talented than what we have on the roster.

Would ou rather have Ball or a guy like Clinton Portis who is a free agent? Hell, I'd take Tiki Barber over Ball.

Guys will be cut that are alot better than what we have on our roster. Any young guys....we should snatch them up.

We definitely need another RB and a boat load of lineman!

Unfortunately, while some guys cut by other teams may be better players, they won't know our systems so it's kind of a wash, at least for the immediate future. Still I'd rather have better players that don't know our systems than some of the crap that does.

I know there are going to be dozens of cornerbackss released that are better than Nate Jones for instance.

ScottXray
09-01-2011, 10:45 PM
I like Webber. I hope we sign him to the practice squad!

Cut Quinn and sign Webber to the 45 man roster. He might clear waivers but he seems to have some potential , and Quinn is gone after this year anyway.

BroncosinDC
09-01-2011, 10:46 PM
Nice. Was Smurf a teammate?

Kind of...he played defense

Agamemnon
09-01-2011, 10:47 PM
Cut Quinn and sign Webber to the 45 man roster. He might clear waivers but he seems to have some potential , and Quinn is gone after this year anyway.

The guy might become a decent backup someday. More than I can say for Quinn.

maher_tyler
09-01-2011, 10:47 PM
I was there. Quinn is who we thought he was. He sucks. Didn't get the ball past the 50. Tebow struggled a little early. Didn't have much time to do much. His last drive was his best obviously. Started at the 6. The TD pass was on the mark.

epicSocialism4tw
09-01-2011, 10:49 PM
I was there. Quinn is who we thought he was. He sucks. Didn't get the ball past the 50. Tebow struggled a little early. Didn't have much time to do much. His last drive was his best obviously. Started at the 6. The TD pass was on the mark.

You should email Bowlen and ask for a refund on the price of the ticket, parking, gas, food, and time lost.

Agamemnon
09-01-2011, 10:50 PM
It's clear that there are a number of folks who are more concerned with aesthetics than production.


That certainly seems to be the case. Some people honestly seem to think Tebow's consistent production in every game he's played is a mirage or something. All they see is a guy who doesn't look like Tom Brady in the pocket, and that's all that apparently matters to them.

BroncosinDC
09-01-2011, 10:51 PM
Oh ****, honorable mention... Watch out for this guy

It's not an award they just hand out...oh wait maybe it is. But I can definitely out drink most of you.

epicSocialism4tw
09-01-2011, 10:59 PM
That certainly seems to be the case. Some people honestly seem to think Tebow's consistent production in every game he's played is a mirage or something. All they see is a guy who doesn't look like Tom Brady in the pocket, and that's all that apparently matters to them.

When Tim finally got in rhythm, he threw a couple of beautiful passes from really tight quarters...literally sandwiched between two linemen. One of them was an out route that he whipped at an odd angle because he didn't have space to throw, and it was perfectly thrown.

Tebow's going to be a good one.

By this time next year, he'll be comfortable. But what the Fox staff has absolutely got to do is to show him what its like to throw behind a normal pocket. This deal of taking a 3-step drop, getting hit, shrugging off the tackle only to try to make something out of it, then getting sacked because the pocket has completely collapsed just makes Tebow jittery. They need to get him used to what its like to throw behind a real offensive line.

Agamemnon
09-01-2011, 11:08 PM
When Tim finally got in rhythm, he threw a couple of beautiful passes from really tight quarters...literally sandwiched between two linemen. One of them was an out route that he whipped at an odd angle because he didn't have space to throw, and it was perfectly thrown.

Tebow's going to be a good one.

By this time next year, he'll be comfortable. But what the Fox staff has absolutely got to do is to show him what its like to throw behind a normal pocket. This deal of taking a 3-step drop, getting hit, shrugging off the tackle only to try to make something out of it, then getting sacked because the pocket has completely collapsed just makes Tebow jittery. They need to get him used to what its like to throw behind a real offensive line.

In other words he needs experience to get comfortable in the pocket at this level. Why is it that so many seem to not get that?

As it is he's still a better all-around player than Orton, but apparently he needs to be better than Orton at Orton's one strength along with all his other advantages.

But whatever, Orton is our starter for now. We'll likely soon be reminded why that's a bad thing, but until then good luck Neckbeard. I'd like to wins some games...

epicSocialism4tw
09-01-2011, 11:10 PM
As it is he's still a better all-around player than Orton, but apparently he needs to be better than Orton at Orton's one strength along with all his other advantages.

Truth.

SonOfLe-loLang
09-01-2011, 11:52 PM
From.... the.... pocket.

This game has been sloppy, but I think we're starting to see Tebow turning into an NFL QB.

He did this last preseason too

maher_tyler
09-02-2011, 01:50 AM
You should email Bowlen and ask for a refund on the price of the ticket, parking, gas, food, and time lost.

Preseason or not, I don't live anywhere near Denver..it was worth the $22/ticket for where i sat. Parking was free :sunshine:

Goobzilla
09-02-2011, 06:15 AM
I once scored 4 Touchdowns in a single game for Polk High. I DVR'ed the 2nd half of the crapfest that I will take a look at tonight.

BroncoInferno
09-02-2011, 06:17 AM
I once scored 4 Touchdowns in a single game for Polk High.

http://my-autographs.de/images/Ed_O_Neill.jpg

Goobzilla
09-02-2011, 06:27 AM
http://my-autographs.de/images/Ed_O_Neill.jpg

Yeah I was going to post a pic but stupid work has Photobucket blocked.

I figured since we were measuring E-weiners in this thread I would join in. Is now a good time to mention I met Scott Hamilton at a Denver Gold game in 1984? :yayaya:

alkemical
09-02-2011, 06:33 AM
Oh I triple flush and use about half a roll. If there is one place in life to not go cheap it is when you drop a Hochstein.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn59oWzatZA

Cito Pelon
09-02-2011, 07:19 AM
serious??? what about the rest of what I pointed out. Tim is playing with garbage on offense, Give the guy credit for keeping his head up and making something happen.

Tebow looking better each game. Not having OTA's, QB camp, and two-a-days hurt him (duh).

I think he still needs to get more comfortable with the short passes and especially the crossing routes and slants - just refinement and polish in general.

I can't blame people a whole lot for wanting him to start, because there really is no substitute for live regular season action and a lot of it. But, he'll have a shorter learning curve next year. He could look really bad and get beat to hell if they started Tebow in the opener, and that would probably continue for 6-8 games and might continue all season.

alkemical
09-02-2011, 07:21 AM
Tebow reminds me of Jeff Garcia @ times.

Old Dude
09-02-2011, 07:29 AM
Earlier this week, for one bright shining moment, I got giddy and upgraded my prediction from 7-9 to 9-7.

After being force-fed the glaring lack of depth on this team at every single position (with the sole exception of WR), and remembering that we never make it through a season unscathed, I see no realistic possibility of avoiding double-digit losses.

Cito Pelon
09-02-2011, 07:29 AM
Did Quinn really have a 7.6 QB rating in this one? ROFL

BQ locked up the #3 on the depth chart.

MplsBronco
09-02-2011, 07:59 AM
Because Kyle Orton is way better than Tebow at this point in his career and its not even close...

Why are people like this guy so dense? Comparing a second year guy (with 3 starts) to a seven year vet and saying the vet is "better" is so fugging dumb. Of course he is "better" at some things, he's been in the league a lot longer. FACT of the matter is Tebow has a lot of game and not playing him on a team that is rebuilding is assinine.

We are going nowhere with Orton. Why can't people see this? With Tebow, at least he would get valuable experience and the team could actually evaluate him if they let him play. This whole thing is beyond retarded.

Agamemnon
09-02-2011, 08:01 AM
Tebow looking better each game. Not having OTA's, QB camp, and two-a-days hurt him (duh).

I think he still needs to get more comfortable with the short passes and especially the crossing routes and slants - just refinement and polish in general.

I can't blame people a whole lot for wanting him to start, because there really is no substitute for live regular season action and a lot of it. But, he'll have a shorter learning curve next year. He could look really bad and get beat to hell if they started Tebow in the opener, and that would probably continue for 6-8 games and might continue all season.

Whenever you start a guy in the NFL the potential is there that he'll play crappy. Orton proved that conclusively the last time he played the Raiders. That's probably why I'd be a lot more confident starting Tebow against them, but whatever. We never really know what's going to happen in a game.

Agamemnon
09-02-2011, 08:01 AM
Why are people like this guy so dense? Comparing a second year guy (with 3 starts) to a seven year vet and saying the vet is "better" is so fugging dumb. Of course he is "better" at some things, he's been in the league a lot longer. FACT of the matter is Tebow has a lot of game and not playing him on a team that is rebuilding is assinine.

We are going nowhere with Orton. Why can't people see this? With Tebow, at least he would get valuable experience and the team could actually evaluate him if they let him play. This whole thing is beyond retarded.

You sir, are correct.