Obama Job Approval Hits All Time Low

[epicSocialism4tw]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

[peacepipe]

It's higher than it was for reagon at this time in his 1st term before his re-election as well as about the same as clintons before his election

[epicSocialism4tw]

It's higher than it was for reagon at this time in his 1st term before his re-election as well as about the same as clintons before his election

Its falling fast like Jimmy Carters.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

^

Still has quite a way to go before it sinks as low as your hero's.

[peacepipe]

Its falling fast like Jimmy Carters.

only in your dreams. it's been hovering between 38-42% the past couple of weeks

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Add approval rating smack to the list (the one that included teleprompter smack and vacation smack) of things Bush shills should be prohibited from mentioning.

[epicSocialism4tw]

You know that the hard-core extremist liberals are panicking when they show up in these threads yelling "Bush! Bush!"

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You know that the hard-core extremist liberals are panicking when they show up in these threads yelling "Bush! Bush!"

Bush?

You mean that guy people like you assured us didn't exist?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Bush?

You mean that guy people like you assured us didn't exist?

You should clarify your spin here.

Define:
"people like you"
"assured us"
"didn't exist"

Thx.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You should clarify your spin here.

Define:
"people like you"
"assured us"
"didn't exist"

Thx.

People like you = people on the extreme right-wing fringe.

[epicSocialism4tw]

People like you = people on the extreme right-wing fringe.

Oh, okay. Ha!

And the rest? LOL

What other kind of spin ya got, terrorist?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Oh, okay.

Well, at least you didn't try to deny who you were.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Well, at least you didn't try to deny who you were.

Do you denounce Bill Ayers yet, or are you still a terrorist?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Do you denounce Bill Ayers yet, or are you still a terrorist?

No, I don't deny that Ayers received grant money from the same donor who contributed heavily to Gramps and Bible Spice's campaign.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ayers Connection: Did you Know Annenberg Founder is HUGE GOP DONOR?

Glass Houses ... Throwing Stones?

If Obama is guilty by associating with Ayers on the Boards of two non-profits, the Annenberg Foundation and Woods Fund, isn't it relevant to see who else serves on those boards?

Take a peek at the Annenberg Foundation members.

1. Walter & Leonore Annenberg - founder who gave Bill Ayers a $49M grant. His widow, Leonore, has endorsed McCain. In fact, just yesterday the McCain Campaign released its list of Ambassadors supporting him. It included, Mrs. Annenberg, a former "chief of protocol" at the State Dep't under the Reagan Administration. A Republican, she also DONATED THE MAX OF $2300 TO McCAIN'S CAMPAIGN IN MAY 2008.

According to Opensecrets.com, she has donated to Republican candidates over 100 times in the past few elections cycles. Her campaign contributions have gone to George W Bush, Fred Thompson, Arlen Spector, Rick Santorum, Jon Kyle, Elizabeth Dole, Bob Dole, Richard Shelby, John Warner,David Dreier, Olympia Snowe, Jon Fox and Christine Todd Whitman.

Have each of these GOP candidates refunded her money because she's got a "domestic terrorist" on her own Board or because she gave that "domestic terrorist" a $49 million grant before Obama was on the Board?

In addition to individual contributions, Mrs. Annenberg also donated regularly to the Republican National Committee, the Republican Senatorial Committee and Republicans for Choice.

Other notable members on the Annenberg Board include:

1. David Kearns - former Deputy Secretary of Education under Bush I; former CEO of Xerox; Chairman of NASDC, a Bush I reform initiative for Education; WORKED FOR & DONATED TO McCAIN'S PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN IN 2000 AND AGAIN IN 2008.

2. Arnold Weber - former member of Nixon Administration; former President of Northwestern University and U of Colorado. Board Member of Tribune Company. DONATED TO McCAIN'S CAMPAIGN.

Other Board Members include leaders in the Education community including professors, deans, and presidents at some of the country's most prestigous colleges. They include: Dr. Patricia Albjerg Graham, Deborah Leff, Adele Smith Simmons, Vartan Gregorian, Ted Sizer, Warren Chapman and Anne Hallett.

Let's take a look at The Woods Fund . . .

Do you know that Presbyterian Minister Cynthia Campbell serves on the Board on the Woods Fund?. She got her Masters in Divinity from Harvard and her doctorate from SMU. She is author of A Multitude of Blessings: A Christian Approach to Religious Diversity, as well as a monograph, Theologies Written from Feminist Perspectives. She is also the current President of the McCormick Theological Seminary. Does this sound like a woman who espouses hate and would associate with domestic terrorists?

Additionally, today's Wood Fund's eight-member board includes three academics, a civic leader, a former Illinois state senator and executives from the BP oil company, UBS investment bank and Sahara Enterprises. Former board members include R. Eden Martin (1996-2004), attorney for the law firm Sidley Austin and president of the Commercial Club, Chicago's most prestigious business group. Many of these members are Republicans and supporters of McCain.

So why is it again the Obama should be chastised for serving on Boards with William Ayers? When the founder of the Annenberg Foundation gave $49 million to Ayers, then put him on her Board, and still to this day contributes thousands to GOP candidates across the country, should each of these GOP members be assailed for taking contributions from someone who associates with a "domestic terrorist" from the 60s?

http://cranegirl.newsvine.com/_news/...uge-gop-donor- (http://cranegirl.newsvine.com/_news/2008/10/09/1977693-ayers-connection-did-you-know-annenberg-founder-is-huge-gop-donor-)

[epicSocialism4tw]

No, I don't deny that Ayers received grant money from the same donor who contributed heavily to Gramps and Bible Spice's campaign.

I guess you just can separate yourself from terrorists.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I guess you just can separate yourself from terrorists.

Says the pathological liar and hypocrite whose boy McCain fed from the same trough as Ayers.

[TonyR]

Do you denounce Bill Ayers yet, or are you still a terrorist?

It's funny that you keep bringing up Ayers considering the fact that he's far, far more irrelevant than your former idol GWB. Are they still talking about Ayers on your ridiculous righty radio shows, is that why you can't seem to move on from him? The righties haven't come up with another smoking gun to replace him?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Says the pathological liar and hypocrite whose boy McCain fed from the same trough as Ayers.

You continue to make excuses for terrorists and absolutely refuse to separate yourself from them.

[tnedator]

Even taking some of the polls that show President Obama higher, the trend is steeply against him. If not for the huge Obama Osama bump, not sure where he would be.

<script type="text/javascript" src="http://charts.realclearpolitics.com/widget_embed.js?id=1044&width=450&height=338&key=president_obama_job_approval"></script>

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You continue to make excuses for terrorists and absolutely refuse to separate yourself from them.

You continue to skip your meds and see things that aren't there. :crazy:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Huh?

You mean the right-wing media hasn't told us the whole truth?

Color me shocked!




<big>There are a number things the public "knows (http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010083423/things-people-know)" as we head into the election that are just false. If people elect leaders</big>
<big> based on false information, the things those leaders do in office will not be what the public expects or needs.</big>
<big>Here are eight of the biggest myths that are out there:</big>
<big><big> </big></big>

<big>
President Obama tripled the deficit.
Reality: Bush's last budget (http://www.ourfuture.org/node/44430) had a $1.416 trillion deficit (http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010020504/roots-conservative-failure-bush-called-deficits-incredibly-positive-news). Obama's first budget reduced that to $1.29 trillion (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69E54M20101016). </big>


http://www.bartcop.com/chart-bush-o-deficits-110830.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davecjohnson/6089355018/)
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/davecjohnson/6089355018/)



<big>
President Obama raised taxes, which hurt the economy.
Reality: Obama cut taxes (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/us/politics/19taxes.html). 40% of the "stimulus" was wasted on tax cuts which only create debt (http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010083102/tax-cuts-leave-nothing-behind-infrastructure-investment-leaves-behind-infrastr),
which is why it was so much less effective than it could have been. </big>

<big><big> </big></big>

<big>
President Obama bailed out the banks.
Reality: While many people conflate the "stimulus" with the bank bailouts, the bank bailouts were requested by President Bush (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/25/business/worldbusiness/25iht-25bush2.16463997.html)
and his Treasury Secretary, former Goldman Sachs CEO Henry Paulson. (Paulson also wanted the bailouts (http://www.seeingtheforest.com/archives/2008/09/lets_see_if_we.htm) to be "non-reviewable
by any court or any agency.") The bailouts passed and began before the 2008 election of President Obama. </big>

<big><big> </big></big>

<big>
The stimulus didn't work.
Reality: The stimulus worked, but was not enough (http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010093502/jobs-romer-leaving-wh-says-more-stimulus-needed-right-says-stimulus-killed-rec). In fact, according to the Congressional Budget Office (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67N55X20100824),
the stimulus raised employment by between 1.4 million and 3.3 million jobs. </big>


http://www.bartcop.com/bush-o-debt-110830.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davecjohnson/6088811219/)
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/davecjohnson/6088811219/)
<big><big> </big></big>

<big>
Businesses will hire if they gettax cuts (http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010104111/how-tax-cuts-rich-made-between-business-predatory).
Reality: A business hires the right number of employees to meet demand (http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010104007/its-lack-demand-stupid). Having extra cash does not cause a business to hire,
but a business that has a demand for what it does will find the money to hire. Businesses want customers, not tax cuts (http://www.speakoutca.org/weblog/2009/12/tax-cuts-and-de.html). </big>

<big><big> </big></big>

<big>
Health care reform costs $1 trillion.
Reality: The health care reform reduces government deficits by $138 billion (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE61O4NV20100318). </big>

<big><big> </big></big>

<big>
<big><big><big>Social Security is a Ponzi scheme</big></big> (http://ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010104222/top-10-crazy-things-conservatives-say-social-security-edition)<big><big>, is "going broke," people live longer, fewer workers per retiree, etc.
</big></big><big><big>Reality:</big></big><big><big> </big></big><big><big>Social Security</big></big> (http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010031330/dear-deficit-commission-its-not-hard)<big><big> has run a surplus since it began, has a trust fund in the trillions</big></big><big><big>,</big></big><big><big> is completely sound</big></big> (http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010083105/what-social-security-report-says-vs-what-they-tell-you-it-says)<big><big> for at least 25 more years
</big></big></big>
<big><big><big>and cannot legally borrow so</big></big><big><big> </big></big><big><big>cannot contribute to the deficit</big></big> (http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010083210/it-social-security-or-deficit-commission)<big><big> (compare that to the military budget!) Life expectancy is only longer
</big></big></big>
<big><big><big>because fewer babies die; people who reach 65 live about the same number of years as they used to.</big></big></big> </big>

<big><big> </big></big>

<big>
Government spending takes money out of the economy.
Reality: Government is We, the People (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-johnson/maybe-we-really-do-want-g_b_273123.html) and the money it spends is on We, the People (http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010072813/who-said-we-want-less-government-protecting-and-empowering-us). Many people do not know that it is
government that builds (http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010051805/reagan-revolution-comes-home-roost-america-crumbling) the roads, airports, ports, courts, schools and other things that are the soil in which business thrives.
Many people think that all government spending is on "welfare" and "foreign aid" when that is only a small part of the government's budget. </big>

[tnedator]

The 1.46 Trillion number is BS, in terms of it being Bush's.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

^

Whose figures to trust?

The CBO's or some anonymous right-wing yokel's on a football forum?

:laugh:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Bush Tax Cuts for the Wealthy Have Resulted in Loss of a Million Jobs
(http://blog.buzzflash.com/node/12975)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

New CBO Report Finds Up to 2.9 Million People Owe Their Jobs to the Recovery Act (http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3567&emailView=1)

[tnedator]

^

Whose figures to trust?

The CBO's or some anonymous right-wing yokel's on a football forum?

:laugh:

Not a surprise, but you are twisting the facts. That 'budget' for lack of a better word is attributed to Bush because it started when he took office. However, I don't believe he ever signed it into law, and that deficit number you posted I believe includes TARP (which was paid back almost completely), and either the Stimulus, $500 billion omnibus spending bill or both.

You can not blame Bush for legislation that is voted on and signed under Obama's watch, just because the budget year started before Bush left office.

If I am wrong in my understanding, please provide detailed numbers.

[ant1999e]

You know that the hard-core extremist liberals are panicking when they show up in these threads yelling "Bush! Bush!"

Shyt, their even bringing up Regan.

[peacepipe]

Not a surprise, but you are twisting the facts. That 'budget' for lack of a better word is attributed to Bush because it started when he took office. However, I don't believe he ever signed it into law, and that deficit number you posted I believe includes TARP (which was paid back almost completely), and either the Stimulus, $500 billion omnibus spending bill or both.

You can not blame Bush for legislation that is voted on and signed under Obama's watch, just because the budget year started before Bush left office.

If I am wrong in my understanding, please provide detailed numbers.

http://blog.mises.org/16107/bushs-huge-budget-numbers-blamed-on-obama/

The federal fiscal year lasts from October 1 to September 30 (It ended on June 30 prior to 1976). So, the 2009 fiscal year ended in September of 2009, eight months after Bush left office. When Obama was sworn into office, Bush had already submitted his 3.1 trillion dollar 2009 budget almost a year earlier. He then signed the stack of resulting appropriations bills submitted to him by Congress throughout 2008 which authorized the federal spending that would take place once the 2009 FY actually began in October. Then, in the fall of 2008, Bush supported and signed additional spending bills providing for various bailouts and stimulus programs that marked the end of his presidency, and which would show up as spending in 2009. Needless to say, the already-enormous 2009 budget that Bush had submitted in early 2008 was not totally reflective of the full impact of the huge spending increases that would eventually be authorized by Bush. Bush’s original budget was $3.1 trillion, but once one adds in all the bailouts and stimulus spending also supported by Bush, the number is actually much larger, and this is the number that shows up in the spending figures now being attributed to Obama for FY2009.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

^

Oooops! Ha!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Shyt, their(sic) even bringing up Regan.

Ironic, coming from a member of a party that blamed Clinton for almost all of GeeDumbya's failures.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Bush Tax Cuts for the Wealthy Have Resulted in Loss of a Million Jobs
(http://blog.buzzflash.com/node/12975)

You still have yet to denounce your terrorist ties.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You still have yet to denounce your terrorist ties.

OMG!

Should I get a pretend lawyer?

[tnedator]

http://blog.mises.org/16107/bushs-huge-budget-numbers-blamed-on-obama/
[/B][/U]

And, where is the stimulus counted (at least the part spent in '09? Where is the $500 billion omnibus counted? The other various additional spending that Obama signed into law during the 2009 budget year?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

<big>There are a number things the public "knows (http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010083423/things-people-know)" as we head into the election that are just false. If people elect leaders</big>

<big> based on false information, the things those leaders do in office will not be what the public expects or needs.</big>
<big>Here are eight of the biggest myths that are out there:</big>
<big><big> </big></big>

<big>
President Obama tripled the deficit.
Reality: Bush's last budget (http://www.ourfuture.org/node/44430) had a $1.416 trillion deficit (http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010020504/roots-conservative-failure-bush-called-deficits-incredibly-positive-news). Obama's first budget reduced that to $1.29 trillion (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69E54M20101016). </big>


http://www.bartcop.com/chart-bush-o-deficits-110830.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davecjohnson/6089355018/)
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/davecjohnson/6089355018/)



<big>
President Obama raised taxes, which hurt the economy.
Reality: Obama cut taxes (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/us/politics/19taxes.html). 40% of the "stimulus" was wasted on tax cuts which only create debt (http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010083102/tax-cuts-leave-nothing-behind-infrastructure-investment-leaves-behind-infrastr),
which is why it was so much less effective than it could have been. </big>

<big><big> </big></big>

<big>
President Obama bailed out the banks.
Reality: While many people conflate the "stimulus" with the bank bailouts, the bank bailouts were requested by President Bush (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/25/business/worldbusiness/25iht-25bush2.16463997.html)
and his Treasury Secretary, former Goldman Sachs CEO Henry Paulson. (Paulson also wanted the bailouts (http://www.seeingtheforest.com/archives/2008/09/lets_see_if_we.htm) to be "non-reviewable
by any court or any agency.") The bailouts passed and began before the 2008 election of President Obama. </big>

<big><big> </big></big>

<big>
The stimulus didn't work.
Reality: The stimulus worked, but was not enough (http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010093502/jobs-romer-leaving-wh-says-more-stimulus-needed-right-says-stimulus-killed-rec). In fact, according to the Congressional Budget Office (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67N55X20100824),
the stimulus raised employment by between 1.4 million and 3.3 million jobs. </big>


http://www.bartcop.com/bush-o-debt-110830.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davecjohnson/6088811219/)
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/davecjohnson/6088811219/)
<big><big> </big></big>

<big>
Businesses will hire if they gettax cuts (http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010104111/how-tax-cuts-rich-made-between-business-predatory).
Reality: A business hires the right number of employees to meet demand (http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010104007/its-lack-demand-stupid). Having extra cash does not cause a business to hire,
but a business that has a demand for what it does will find the money to hire. Businesses want customers, not tax cuts (http://www.speakoutca.org/weblog/2009/12/tax-cuts-and-de.html). </big>

<big><big> </big></big>

<big>
Health care reform costs $1 trillion.
Reality: The health care reform reduces government deficits by $138 billion (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE61O4NV20100318). </big>

<big><big> </big></big>

<big>
<big><big><big>Social Security is a Ponzi scheme</big></big> (http://ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010104222/top-10-crazy-things-conservatives-say-social-security-edition)<big><big>, is "going broke," people live longer, fewer workers per retiree, etc.
</big></big><big><big>Reality:</big></big><big><big> </big></big><big><big>Social Security</big></big> (http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010031330/dear-deficit-commission-its-not-hard)<big><big> has run a surplus since it began, has a trust fund in the trillions</big></big><big><big>,</big></big><big><big> is completely sound</big></big> (http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010083105/what-social-security-report-says-vs-what-they-tell-you-it-says)<big><big> for at least 25 more years
</big></big></big>
<big><big><big>and cannot legally borrow so</big></big><big><big> </big></big><big><big>cannot contribute to the deficit</big></big> (http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010083210/it-social-security-or-deficit-commission)<big><big> (compare that to the military budget!) Life expectancy is only longer
</big></big></big>
<big><big><big>because fewer babies die; people who reach 65 live about the same number of years as they used to.</big></big></big> </big>

<big><big> </big></big>

<big>
Government spending takes money out of the economy.
Reality: Government is We, the People (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-johnson/maybe-we-really-do-want-g_b_273123.html) and the money it spends is on We, the People (http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010072813/who-said-we-want-less-government-protecting-and-empowering-us). Many people do not know that it is
government that builds (http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010051805/reagan-revolution-comes-home-roost-america-crumbling) the roads, airports, ports, courts, schools and other things that are the soil in which business thrives.
Many people think that all government spending is on "welfare" and "foreign aid" when that is only a small part of the government's budget. </big>

[tnedator]

So in other words, you can't. At least we know you can copy and paste, that takes 'some' degree of higher reasoning skills.

[peacepipe]

And, where is the stimulus counted (at least the part spent in '09? Where is the $500 billion omnibus counted? The other various additional spending that Obama signed into law during the 2009 budget year?
http://useconomy.about.com/od/candidatesandtheeconomy/a/Obama_Stimulus.htm

The $787 billion economic stimulus package was approved by Congress in February, 2009. The plan was to jumpstart economic growth, and save between 900,000-2.3 million jobs. The package allocated funds as follows:
•$288 billion in tax cuts.
•$224 billion in extended unemployment benefits, education and health care.
•$275 billion for job creation using federal contracts, grants and loans.
For more detail, see ARRA Details.

Although the funds allocated were to be spent over ten years, the bulk was budgeted for the first three fiscal years: $185 billion in 2009, $400 billion in 2010 and $135 billion in 2011.

[tnedator]

http://useconomy.about.com/od/candidatesandtheeconomy/a/Obama_Stimulus.htm

That's a good start. What about the $500 billion Omnibus spending bill?

[tnedator]

Also, it turned out to be closer to $900 billion.

[ant1999e]

Ironic, coming from a member of a party that blamed Clinton for almost all of GeeDumbya's failures.

I supported Clinton dipshyt.