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Mediator12
08-29-2011, 05:55 AM
PFW Audibles Blurb: http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/08/28/insider-nix-hasnt-addressed-bills-greatest-needs

"(Chiefs head coach) Todd Haley knows his team stinks, that he is going to get blamed and it probably is his fault. He definitely has done nothing to help the offense, especially at the receiver position. It's not difficult for anyone to connect the dots. Look at the guys they have brought in (during Haley's tenure) — Jerheme Urban, Terrance Copper, Steve Breaston, Bobby Wade — they all played for Todd at Arizona, Dallas or Chicago. (Rookie first-round pick Jonathan) Baldwin is already in trouble. You look at the offense as a whole. They have no center; the receivers are not that good; (Tony) Moeaki is hurt again, the right tackle (Barry Richardson) cannot block speed. Subtract Charlie Weis — how does the offense get any better? This will be Todd's last year, and I think he knows it."

KC fans are going to hate their lack of repeat success this year after sneaking up on a weak schedule to make the playoffs last year ;D

55CrushEm
08-29-2011, 05:56 AM
Ouch.

elsid13
08-29-2011, 06:08 AM
Ouch.

Followed by this gem:

"You can talk all you want about Tim Tebow's intangibles, but his elongated throwing motion is still there, and it's not going away. The sooner he settles into the tight end position, the better his (NFL) chances. It will be painful for his ego to accept, but he's going to have to accept the reality that he's not an NFL quarterback sooner than later."

Kaylore
08-29-2011, 06:19 AM
It's only preseason, but KC has the worst ranked offense for all of preseason. Their defense isn't looking too hot either. I'd be at least a little concerned if I was a chief fan. I've seen some of their games and they aren't executing which is never good.

McDman
08-29-2011, 06:24 AM
I think Von Miller will enjoy a nice game if their RT can't block speed.

Peoples Champ
08-29-2011, 06:56 AM
i dont think KC is very hyped this year, so they cant be overrated, because everyone is picking them to suck and that last year was a fluke.

Mediator12
08-29-2011, 06:57 AM
Followed by this gem:

"You can talk all you want about Tim Tebow's intangibles, but his elongated throwing motion is still there, and it's not going away. The sooner he settles into the tight end position, the better his (NFL) chances. It will be painful for his ego to accept, but he's going to have to accept the reality that he's not an NFL quarterback sooner than later."

Dude, I left that out on purpose. Don't we have ENOUGH emotional drama over Tebow already. Hilarious!

elsid13
08-29-2011, 07:01 AM
Dude, I left that out on purpose. Don't we have ENOUGH emotional drama over Tebow already. Hilarious!

I enjoy watching the idiots scream at each other over that issue.

Back on topic - KC is extremely overrated and I can see them having a top 10 draft pick next season.

dbfan21
08-29-2011, 07:28 AM
I think Von Miller will enjoy a nice game if their RT can't block speed.

:sunshine:

Jetmeck
08-29-2011, 08:02 AM
Doom always has a good game against these ass clowns, add Miller into the mix and it could be freaking hilarious to watch......................

Requiem
08-29-2011, 08:10 AM
What a nice little tidbit!

How many years and counting?!

TheChamp24
08-29-2011, 08:25 AM
Oh boy, I'm just waiting for the Chief fans to come defending their team and how outrageous it is for them not to be the favorites in the division even though San Diego is clearly the best team in the division.
I think the biggest worry for them is their offense. The defense will be pretty solid IMO, I just don't think you'll see the same success they had last year.

SonOfLe-loLang
08-29-2011, 08:34 AM
Followed by this gem:

"You can talk all you want about Tim Tebow's intangibles, but his elongated throwing motion is still there, and it's not going away. The sooner he settles into the tight end position, the better his (NFL) chances. It will be painful for his ego to accept, but he's going to have to accept the reality that he's not an NFL quarterback sooner than later."

Not to make this about tebow, but his current short comings seem to have zero to do with his "elongated motion" and everything to do with the mental side

Tombstone RJ
08-29-2011, 08:39 AM
Followed by this gem:

"You can talk all you want about Tim Tebow's intangibles, but his elongated throwing motion is still there, and it's not going away. The sooner he settles into the tight end position, the better his (NFL) chances. It will be painful for his ego to accept, but he's going to have to accept the reality that he's not an NFL quarterback sooner than later."

way to hijack the thread elschithead13.

Kaylore
08-29-2011, 08:46 AM
In the last ten year the Chiefs have put together back to back winning seasons once, and that was going 10-6 to 9-7. The chiefs are always worse the year after they are good.

Garcia Bronco
08-29-2011, 12:33 PM
All that and we'll still split with them

BroncosSR
08-29-2011, 12:35 PM
Let's concentrate on the Broncos being good rather than the Chiefs being good.

epicSocialism4tw
08-29-2011, 12:45 PM
I enjoy watching the idiots scream at each other over that issue.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_lpiDRDaH-mU/SMU9F1bKycI/AAAAAAAAHRA/_s-cTYtjFXM/s400/808_img_11.jpg

Rolandftw
08-29-2011, 12:48 PM
I don't think they stink. They were just a middle of the road team in conference play even with the weak schedule, and that's pretty much what they still are. They'll beat the bad teams handily but struggle against the good ones.

Same thing is probably true of the whole division.

They've done a good job drafting the last few years in the later rounds, but other then Berry haven't exactly struck gold with their top picks.

KCStud
08-29-2011, 02:14 PM
Another uninformed "analyst". Uhh
I'm definitely going to save this thread and bump it next month. This is pure comedy.

Archer81
08-29-2011, 02:28 PM
We'll see. KC looks pretty bad in preseason...but its preseason. SD and Denver look improved, and Oakland seems about the same. Should make it interesting at least.


:Broncos:

broncosteven
08-29-2011, 02:31 PM
I would like to see Thomas Jones neck punching rookies and Haley get into a fight with Bowe on the sidelines.

I would also like to see mCd out of the NFL coaching Canton high with his brother and "Wink", tearing the team apart.

Mediator12
08-29-2011, 06:29 PM
Another uninformed "analyst". Uhh
I'm definitely going to save this thread and bump it next month. This is pure comedy.

No, this is someone who works in the league. Someone who is "informed" unlike some delusional KC fans ;D

FireFly
08-29-2011, 06:59 PM
They really have looked horrible in the Off-Season, but they'll be better when the regular season kicks off.

Objectively, SD should win the division, but 2nd place and perhaps a WC spot into the play offs is up for grabs imo

Bronx33
08-29-2011, 07:03 PM
Another uninformed "analyst". Uhh
I'm definitely going to save this thread and bump it next month. This is pure comedy.



you do that...

KCStud
08-29-2011, 07:40 PM
No, this is someone who works in the league. Someone who is "informed" unlike some delusional KC fans ;D

Clearly this "source' doesn't work in the league. Let's educate you on this piece by piece Mediator.

Look at the guys they have brought in (during Haley's tenure) Jerheme Urban, Terrance Copper, Steve Breaston, Bobby Wade they all played for Todd at Arizona, Dallas or Chicago. (Rookie first-round pick Jonathan) Baldwin is already in trouble.

Copper is mainly a ST's player where he does his best work. Urban didn't even play last year and Breaston has been above average in his career with at least 700 yards receiving and a few TD's to boot each year (had 1K yards with Haley as OC). So you're telling me that he's judging how these receivers play on our team so far in preseason? Ha! Breaston played one series in the 2nd game and finally played more on Friday. Baldwin has barely played so what's the judgement there?

You look at the offense as a whole. They have no center;
So Weigmann, who hasn't missed a snap at Center since 2001, isn't a Center? Has this guy never heard of Rodney Hudson, our 2nd rd pick and highest drafted Center in the draft (Pouncey is projected to G last I heard) who has played extremely well so far.

the receivers are not that good;
Bowe looks just as good this preseason as he did last year. And again, Breaston and Baldwin haven't even played in a real game with us yet.

(Tony) Moeaki is hurt again,
Since when? He was briefly hurt at the beginning of camp, but he played in the Ravens and Rams games and he'll be playing week 1 unless he gets hurt on Thursday. Great insight Hilarious!

the right tackle (Barry Richardson) cannot block speed.
This is very true. The only true thing he knows which is blatantly obvious. I like how he doesn't bring up Gaither, who is looking like he did in 09 and will take Richardson's job sooner rather than later.

Subtract Charlie Weis how does the offense get any better?

I'm so tired of hearing this. Weis helped Matt Cassel tremendously by setting up designed plays to help him succeed. He did not call good plays. KC was one of the worst 3rd and short teams last year because Weis called passing plays. We had the best freakin rushing attack and he ignored it. That's Weis in a nutshell.

This will be Todd's last year, and I think he knows it."

This is laughable. Hilarious! When Haley is here next year I'll be sure to thank the "insider". This guy doesn't know anything about the Chiefs. I would trust Bill Williamson over this clown and that says something because he blows.

DENVERDUI55
08-29-2011, 07:56 PM
Another uninformed "analyst". Uhh
I'm definitely going to save this thread and bump it next month. This is pure comedy.

WHy won't you bet me on the under 8.

KCStud
08-29-2011, 07:56 PM
No, this is someone who works in the league. Someone who is "informed" unlike some delusional KC fans ;D

Clearly this "source' doesn't work in the league. Let's educate you on this piece by piece Mediator.

Look at the guys they have brought in (during Haley's tenure) Jerheme Urban, Terrance Copper, Steve Breaston, Bobby Wade they all played for Todd at Arizona, Dallas or Chicago. (Rookie first-round pick Jonathan) Baldwin is already in trouble.

Copper is mainly a ST's player where he does his best work. Urban didn't even play last year and Breaston has been above average in his career with at least 700 yards receiving and a few TD's to boot each year (had 1K yards with Haley as OC). So you're telling me that he's judging how these receivers play on our team so far in preseason? Ha! Breaston played one series in the 2nd game and finally played more on Friday. Baldwin has barely played so what's the judgement there?

You look at the offense as a whole. They have no center;
So Weigmann, who hasn't missed a snap at Center since 2001, isn't a Center? Has this guy never heard of Rodney Hudson, our 2nd rd pick and highest drafted Center in the draft (Pouncey is projected to G last I heard) who has played extremely well so far.

the receivers are not that good;
Bowe looks just as good this preseason as he did last year. And again, Breaston and Baldwin haven't even played in a real game with us yet.

(Tony) Moeaki is hurt again,
Since when? He was briefly hurt at the beginning of camp, but he played in the Ravens and Rams games and he'll be playing week 1 unless he gets hurt on Thursday. Great insight Hilarious!

the right tackle (Barry Richardson) cannot block speed.
This is very true. The only true thing he knows which is blatantly obvious. I like how he doesn't bring up Gaither, who is looking like he did in 09 and will take Richardson's job sooner rather than later.

Subtract Charlie Weis how does the offense get any better?

I'm so tired of hearing this. Weis helped Matt Cassel tremendously by setting up designed plays to help him succeed. He did not call good plays. KC was one of the worst 3rd and short teams last year because Weis called passing plays. We had the best freakin rushing attack and he ignored it. That's Weis in a nutshell.

This will be Todd's last year, and I think he knows it."

This is laughable. Hilarious! When Haley is here next year I'll be sure to thank the "insider". This guy doesn't know anything about the Chiefs. I would trust Bill Williamson over this clown and that says something because he blows.

DarkHorse30
08-29-2011, 08:00 PM
Not to make this about tebow, but his current short comings seem to have zero to do with his "elongated motion" and everything to do with the mental side

racist.

mwill07
08-29-2011, 08:01 PM
You know who looked terrible last year in pre-season? Carolina. I'm not sure if they even scored a TD.

But it's just pre-season, right? It doesn't mean anything.

KCStud
08-29-2011, 08:15 PM
WHy won't you bet me on the under 8.

I'll put my AFC West Standings in my signature

KCStud
08-29-2011, 08:21 PM
Guess you can't. This is my projected AFC West Standings.

Chargers 11-5
Chiefs 8-8
Raiders 6-10
Broncos 6-10

maher_tyler
08-29-2011, 08:23 PM
You know who looked terrible last year in pre-season? Carolina. I'm not sure if they even scored a TD.

But it's just pre-season, right? It doesn't mean anything.

I'd say the preseason is a pretty good indication on how teams will look in the regular season. If you can't stop the run in preseason, how can you think you're going to stop it in the regular season?? In all the KC games i've watched, they have had trouble stopping the run. In the 3 games they've played, teams have average 4.4 yards against..that number would prolly be higher if starters were playing the entire game.

Conklin
08-29-2011, 08:25 PM
Guess you can't. This is my projected AFC West Standings.

Chargers 8-8
Chiefs 5-11
Raiders 6-10
Broncos 10-6

fixed for you

KCStud
08-29-2011, 08:42 PM
fixed for you

That's a strong opinion. Can I ask why you think Denver will win 10 games with a new coach and no practice time until training camp due to the lockout?

maher_tyler
08-29-2011, 08:46 PM
fixed for you

I like the optimism and i hope you're right but i'd be surprised if we finished 7-9 or better.

ZachKC
08-29-2011, 08:53 PM
I'd say the preseason is a pretty good indication on how teams will look in the regular season. If you can't stop the run in preseason, how can you think you're going to stop it in the regular season?? In all the KC games i've watched, they have had trouble stopping the run. In the 3 games they've played, teams have average 4.4 yards against..that number would prolly be higher if starters were playing the entire game.

Because the preparation, goals, game planning, and team setup is completely different for a regular season game.

Tamba Hali had zero sacks last preseason and went on to lead the AFC in sacks when the games mattered.

The preseason version of the Chiefs in 2010 had 8 turnovers through the first 3 preseason games. The regular season version had 14 in 16 regular season games. The Chiefs were fumbling left and right with all of the familiar names involved -- Thomas Jones, Jamaal Charles, Matt Cassel. There was no shortage of interceptions either, with Cassel, Tyler Palko and Brodie Croyle all throwing at least one. By comparison, their competition committed 2. That's 8 turnovers to 8, or a -6 ratio.

Fast forward to a regular season where the Chiefs commit 14 all year, and that same Cassel goes to the Pro Bowl. Cassel threw 7 picks all year, compared to 27 touchdowns. Charles and Jones both fumbled the ball 3 total times each during the regular season -- or once every 5.3 games. As a team, the Chiefs finished 5th overall in the NFL in turnover differential.

The Chiefs had zero wins in preseason last year and went on to win the division.

ZachKC
08-29-2011, 09:00 PM
In 2010 preseason Jackie Battle was the best rusher on the Chiefs team and 8th in the NFL at 5.1 yards a carry.

lol.

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Kansas+City+Chiefs+v+St+Louis+Rams+AX1UgaEt5Bjl.jp g

HAT
08-29-2011, 09:07 PM
That's a strong opinion. Can I ask why you think Denver will win 10 games with a new coach and no practice time until training camp due to the lockout?

P-A-R-I-T-Y

Sweep 1 division opponent, split the other two = 4 wins

.500 vs. last years playoff teams (GB, NE, CHI, NYJ) = 2 wins

.666 vs. the non/borderline playoff teams (CIN, TEN, MIA, DET, MIN, BUF) = 4 wins

Denver has been a .500 ish team for years, last years actual record doesn't change that....It was just a sh*tstorm of bad game day coaching, Orton trying to play hurt to keep Tebow off the field, off the field shenanigans, playing across the pond, taping scandal, etc.

Until proven otherwise, they are still a .500 ish team that can easily finish +2 of that with some breaks.

Look no further than your own Chiefs or Tampa Bay....They went from 4-12 & 3-13 in 2009 to 10-6 in 2010. Happens all the time in the NFL

ZachKC
08-29-2011, 09:10 PM
Happens all the time in the NFL

And until it "happens" to your team the Broncos are still a bottom feeder in the NFL.

No matter how many homer predictions you make.

Perry1977
08-29-2011, 09:18 PM
And until it "happens" to your team the Broncos are still a bottom feeder in the NFL.

No matter how many homer predictions you make.

Tell us some of your favorite memories from watching the Chiefs in the Superbowl!

Us bottom feeders want to know what it's like to cheer for a winner!

HAT
08-29-2011, 09:19 PM
And until it "happens" to your team the Broncos are still a bottom feeder in the NFL.

No matter how many homer predictions you make.

Fine by me. Season starts in 2 weeks. ^5

DENVERDUI55
08-29-2011, 09:19 PM
It's funny how the only people that think the QUEEFS won't be terrible are their own fans. I think they know in the bottom of their heart they will suck but just don't want to believe it til they see it.

ZachKC
08-29-2011, 09:22 PM
Tell us some of your favorite memories from watching the Chiefs in the Superbowl!

Us bottom feeders want to know what it's like to cheer for a winner!

If I was a Broncos fan I wouldn't talk about football "in the now" either. No worries.

ZachKC
08-29-2011, 09:26 PM
It's funny how the only people that think the QUEEFS won't be terrible are their own fans. I think they know in the bottom of their heart they will suck but just don't want to believe it til they see it.

Well, that is cute of you to say but it isn't true.

I am not one to believe or get wrapped up in talking heads but you are the one who made this silly claim. The fact is most people see the AFC West as a two horse race between the Chargers and Chiefs. What will happen? I don't know but a lot of sporting world sees the Chiefs as a team that will once again be in the playoffs.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/01/06/super-bowl-xlv-predictions/index.html

DENVERDUI55
08-29-2011, 09:28 PM
Well, that is cute of you to say but it isn't true.

I am not one to believe or get wrapped up in talking heads but you are the one who made this silly claim. The fact is most people see the AFC West as a two horse race between the Chargers and Chiefs. What will happen? I don't know but a lot of sporting world sees the Chiefs as a team that will once again be in the playoffs.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/01/06/super-bowl-xlv-predictions/index.html

Will you bet me the queefs don't win 8 games.

HAT
08-29-2011, 09:28 PM
It's funny how the only people that think the QUEEFS won't be terrible are their own fans. I think they know in the bottom of their heart they will suck but just don't want to believe it til they see it.

I don't think they're going all the way back to terrible. They'll probably just flip from last years record and go 6-10

BUF W
@DET L
@SD L
MIN W
@IND L

BYE

@OAK W
SD L
MIA W
DEN W
@NE L
PIT L
@CHI L
@NYJ L
GB L
OAK W
@DEN L

ZachKC
08-29-2011, 09:29 PM
Will you bet me the queefs don't win 8 games.

I don't do bets. But I do call out people who are completely wrong. So thanks for another opportunity.

ZachKC
08-29-2011, 09:38 PM
I don't think they're going all the way back to terrible. They'll probably just flip from last years record and go 6-10

BUF W
@DET L
@SD L
MIN W
@IND L

BYE

@OAK W
SD L
MIA W
DEN W
@NE L
PIT L
@CHI L
@NYJ L
GB L
OAK W
@DEN L

I have to be honest...from your predictions in the past I am feeling pretty damn good about you thinking the Chiefs are not going to do all that much.

http://orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2967121&postcount=1

HAT
08-29-2011, 09:48 PM
The fact is most people see the AFC West as a two horse race between the Chargers and Chiefs.

Uhh.....No.

I don't care what talking head or power ranking you find that says it's a two horse race. I'll stick with where the betting public has set the market at since the totals came out.

Season in totals:

SD Over 9.5 -220 (68.75 %)
Oak Over 6.5 -115 (53.5 %)
KC Over 7.5 +105 (48.8%)
DEN Over 5.5 -160 (61.5%)

KC is a slight underdog to go over 7.5 so let's call it 7
Oak is a slight favorite to go over 6.5 so lets call it 7
Den is a large favorite to go over 5.5 so let's call it 7
SD is a huge favorite to over 9.5 so lets call it 11-12

It's nothing we don't already know.....SD is the consensus favorite and it's a coin flip after that.

HAT
08-29-2011, 09:50 PM
I have to be honest...from your predictions in the past I am feeling pretty damn good about you thinking the Chiefs are not going to do all that much.

http://orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2967121&postcount=1

If that's what you need to hang your hat on, by all means, go for it.

Thread subscribed.

ZachKC
08-29-2011, 09:50 PM
SD is the consensus favorite and it's a coin flip after that.

I have read this book before I will tell you how it ends homer.

ZachKC
08-29-2011, 09:52 PM
If that's what you need to hang your hat on, by all means, go for it.

Thread subscribed.

I don't need to hang my hat on that. I can hang my hat on the fact that my team is young and ascending while your team is in year one of a rebuild and a first year coach during a labor shortened off season. Not to mention the hilarious QB drama where the guy who is supposedly leading your team (that everyone hates) was a few numbers away from being traded.

I don't hang my hat on your homer predictions. Their use is for humor.

HAT
08-29-2011, 09:59 PM
I don't need to hang my hat on that. I can hang my hat on the fact that my team is young and ascending while your team is in year one of a rebuild and a first year coach during a labor shortened off season. Not to mention the hilarious QB drama where the guy who is supposedly leading your team (that everyone hates) was a few numbers away from being traded.

I don't hang my hat on your homer predictions. Their use is for humor.

Glad I could help. I don't like the Chargers though FYI.

Did I miss your KC & Denver predictions in this thread? I know the other Chiefs troll posted his on page 2 but I don't recall seeing yours?

ZachKC
08-29-2011, 10:05 PM
Glad I could help. I don't like the Chargers though FYI.

Did I miss your KC & Denver predictions in this thread? I know the other Chiefs troll posted his on page 2 but I don't recall seeing yours?

We will split the series...

...we usually do.

DENVERDUI55
08-29-2011, 10:14 PM
I don't do bets. But I do call out people who are completely wrong. So thanks for another opportunity.

Of course you take the passive way then only show up if you were right instead of calling it out ahead of time. Put money where mouth ahead of time.

HAT
08-29-2011, 10:23 PM
We will split the series...

...we usually do.

I didn't mean head to head.....I meant season W/L records.

ZachKC
08-29-2011, 10:30 PM
Put money where mouth ahead of time.

ROFL!

Your embarrassing English aside I have been a part of this community for many many years and am here win or lose.

Once again...you simply do not know what you are talking about.

ZachKC
08-29-2011, 10:30 PM
I didn't mean head to head.....I meant season W/L records.

Chiefs get 9 or 10

Broncos get 4 or 5

KCStud
08-29-2011, 10:33 PM
The Chargers will probably win it. They still have Marty's talent which is making Norv look so good. Goodel also helped them out big time by taking away the kickoff returns.

Chargers have their weaknesses tho.

orange crusher
08-29-2011, 10:40 PM
If I was a Broncos fan I wouldn't talk about football "in the now" either. No worries.

If I was a chiefs fan I wouldn't talk about football period.

KCStud
08-29-2011, 10:45 PM
If I was a chiefs fan I wouldn't talk about football period.

Yes because KC has been to a SB since 69. We've heard it before. Well the Broncos didn't experience winning a SB until over 30 years since the SB was created so it goes both ways.

Rock Chalk
08-30-2011, 04:41 AM
****ing Missouri inbred meth addict rednecks.

Get the **** out of here.

Archer81
08-30-2011, 04:54 AM
Yes because KC has been to a SB since 69. We've heard it before. Well the Broncos didn't experience winning a SB until over 30 years since the SB was created so it goes both ways.


Well...6 SB appearances vs 2 SB appearances. The last time KC won a playoff game, I was 13.

But whatever gets you through the night, chief.

:Broncos:

Mediator12
08-30-2011, 05:12 AM
Clearly this "source' doesn't work in the league. Let's educate you on this piece by piece Mediator.



Copper is mainly a ST's player where he does his best work. Urban didn't even play last year and Breaston has been above average in his career with at least 700 yards receiving and a few TD's to boot each year (had 1K yards with Haley as OC). So you're telling me that he's judging how these receivers play on our team so far in preseason? Ha! Breaston played one series in the 2nd game and finally played more on Friday. Baldwin has barely played so what's the judgement there?


So Weigmann, who hasn't missed a snap at Center since 2001, isn't a Center? Has this guy never heard of Rodney Hudson, our 2nd rd pick and highest drafted Center in the draft (Pouncey is projected to G last I heard) who has played extremely well so far.


Bowe looks just as good this preseason as he did last year. And again, Breaston and Baldwin haven't even played in a real game with us yet.


Since when? He was briefly hurt at the beginning of camp, but he played in the Ravens and Rams games and he'll be playing week 1 unless he gets hurt on Thursday. Great insight Hilarious!


This is very true. The only true thing he knows which is blatantly obvious. I like how he doesn't bring up Gaither, who is looking like he did in 09 and will take Richardson's job sooner rather than later.



I'm so tired of hearing this. Weis helped Matt Cassel tremendously by setting up designed plays to help him succeed. He did not call good plays. KC was one of the worst 3rd and short teams last year because Weis called passing plays. We had the best freakin rushing attack and he ignored it. That's Weis in a nutshell.



This is laughable. Hilarious! When Haley is here next year I'll be sure to thank the "insider". This guy doesn't know anything about the Chiefs. I would trust Bill Williamson over this clown and that says something because he blows.

Dude, you do understand what an INSIDER is don't you. An insider is someone with access to the real information, which is not your opinion here. I hate to say this, but you are no insider and the person who is quoted here is, that is the point. Fans like you WANT to be an insider, but your a fan.

You can break all the stuff he said down into your uneducated outsider opinion all YOU want. It's still an amatuer, outsider opinion.

theAPAOps5
08-30-2011, 05:29 AM
Dude, you do understand what an INSIDER is don't you. An insider is someone with access to the real information, which is not your opinion here. I hate to say this, but you are no insider and the person who is quoted here is, that is the point. Fans like you WANT to be an insider, but your a fan.

You can break all the stuff he said down into your uneducated outsider opinion all YOU want. It's still an amatuer, outsider opinion.

Don't compliment KCDud by calling him an amateur. While Broncos fans have no room to talk it doesn't change the fact that KC is far overrated and a fluke last year.

alkemical
08-30-2011, 05:42 AM
Todd Hailey = Josh McDaniels?

ZachKC
08-30-2011, 05:53 AM
Dude, you do understand what an INSIDER is don't you. An insider is someone with access to the real information, which is not your opinion here. I hate to say this, but you are no insider and the person who is quoted here is, that is the point. Fans like you WANT to be an insider, but your a fan.

You can break all the stuff he said down into your uneducated outsider opinion all YOU want. It's still an amatuer, outsider opinion.

In the age of Twitter and blogs an insider isn't what it used to be. I think it is funny you are falling for this article. ROFL!

TonyR
08-30-2011, 06:05 AM
This is my projected AFC West Standings.

Chargers 11-5
Chiefs 8-8
Raiders 6-10
Broncos 6-10

Well now check out the Chiefs fan going out on a limb and predicting an 8-8 finish for his team. Interesting how we've been hearing about their successful rebuild and good coaching/FO and all the young talent and yet here we are taking a step backward from last year. It would be kinda sad if it wasn't so funny!

ZachKC
08-30-2011, 06:16 AM
Well now check out the Chiefs fan going out on a limb and predicting an 8-8 finish for his team. Interesting how we've been hearing about their successful rebuild and good coaching/FO and all the young talent and yet here we are taking a step backward from last year. It would be kinda sad if it wasn't so funny!

And yet I hear we have no chance because the schedule is so hard. There is no winning with you folks.











































No really.

You didn't do and won't do a whole lot of winning.

TonyR
08-30-2011, 06:21 AM
You...won't do a whole lot of winning.

Denver will win more games than last year. KC will win fewer games than last year. In other words, Denver will progress and KC will regress. Your run of "greatness" lasted one year. Congrats.

Mediator12
08-30-2011, 06:32 AM
In the age of Twitter and blogs an insider isn't what it used to be. I think it is funny you are falling for this article. ROFL!

The article is from PFW who only puts insider information in those articles. Those articles are there because they are anonymous and they can speak their mind freely. This is not War Paint Illustrated ZACH. These are real people in the league commenting without fear of retribution.

If, you actually read and considered this that would be one thing. However, it got the right EMOTIONAL response from the chiefs fans. Defensive and dismissive.

I am just letting you know what one professional thinks of the Chiefs. How you respond to that is pure gold.

ZachKC
08-30-2011, 06:38 AM
The article is from PFW who only puts insider information in those articles. Those articles are there because they are anonymous and they can speak their mind freely. This is not War Paint Illustrated ZACH. These are real people in the league commenting without fear of retribution.

If, you actually read and considered this that would be one thing. However, it got the right EMOTIONAL response from the chiefs fans. Defensive and dismissive.

I am just letting you know what one professional thinks of the Chiefs. How you respond to that is pure gold.

I think you guys are just jumping at the idea that for a second the Chiefs coaching situation could be a fraction of the laughing stock your organization provided the whole league.

Yea...Haley knows his time is done. ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!

TheChamp24
08-30-2011, 07:51 AM
You folks gotta admit the Chiefs defense has some bright spots on it. I just don't see as much with the offense.
I do see the Chiefs taking a step back, although not the "terrible" team people are calling them here. Probably like 8-8 at best.
Broncos probably 6-10/7-9.

Flex Gunmetal
08-30-2011, 09:50 AM
This will be Todd's last year, and I think he knows it.
This is just stupid. Dude came in with Pioli, and the team has improved under him each year.

Strong article, lmao.


**** the chiefs, tho.

Rolandftw
08-30-2011, 09:58 AM
Bowe looks just as good this preseason as he did last year. And again, Breaston and Baldwin haven't even played in a real game with us yet.

I thought preseason didn't matter? That's the problem with people that state, "It's the preseason." It's basically a license to ignore the bad and praise the good in the preseason.

broncocalijohn
08-30-2011, 10:45 AM
i dont think KC is very hyped this year, so they cant be overrated, because everyone is picking them to suck and that last year was a fluke.

Dont they have the over-under of wins at 8 in Vegas? That doesn't spell suck in my book but it does spell $$$$$ if you take the under.

If I was a chiefs fan I wouldn't talk about football period.

Well, they only have the Royals and I doubt that is much of an improvement. Then again, Royals have gone to the World Series 30 years ago which is over a decade closer than when the Chiefs last went.

DENVERDUI55
08-30-2011, 11:31 AM
ROFL!

Your embarrassing English aside I have been a part of this community for many many years and am here win or lose.

Once again...you simply do not know what you are talking about.

I hate auto correct on my phone. If you think I'm so wrong why won't you bet.

Peoples Champ
08-30-2011, 11:38 AM
[QUOTE=broncocalijohn;3272771]Dont they have the over-under of wins at 8 in Vegas? That doesn't spell suck in my book but it does spell $$$$$ if you take the under.



QUOTE]


For sure, I would easily take the under on the Chiefs at 8. Thats easy money.

DeuceOfClub
08-30-2011, 11:38 AM
How are they overrated when everyone knows they suck?

Tombstone RJ
08-30-2011, 11:48 AM
How are they overrated when everyone knows they suck?

trust me, this is entirely possible with the kc chefs.

gunns
08-30-2011, 12:50 PM
Because the preparation, goals, game planning, and team setup is completely different for a regular season game.

Tamba Hali had zero sacks last preseason and went on to lead the AFC in sacks when the games mattered.

The preseason version of the Chiefs in 2010 had 8 turnovers through the first 3 preseason games. The regular season version had 14 in 16 regular season games. The Chiefs were fumbling left and right with all of the familiar names involved -- Thomas Jones, Jamaal Charles, Matt Cassel. There was no shortage of interceptions either, with Cassel, Tyler Palko and Brodie Croyle all throwing at least one. By comparison, their competition committed 2. That's 8 turnovers to 8, or a -6 ratio.

Fast forward to a regular season where the Chiefs commit 14 all year, and that same Cassel goes to the Pro Bowl. Cassel threw 7 picks all year, compared to 27 touchdowns. Charles and Jones both fumbled the ball 3 total times each during the regular season -- or once every 5.3 games. As a team, the Chiefs finished 5th overall in the NFL in turnover differential.

The Chiefs had zero wins in preseason last year and went on to win the division.

And wow, what a division! I think the Bengals could have won this division.

I am just shocked that someone will blame Haley. But even more that some thinks Haley knows it's his fault and that this will be his last season. What I get from Haley is nothing has ever been his fault.

Bob's your Information Minister
08-30-2011, 01:02 PM
And wow, what a division! I think the Bengals could have won this division.

I am just shocked that someone will blame Haley. But even more that some thinks Haley knows it's his fault and that this will be his last season. What I get from Haley is nothing has ever been his fault.

Haley has never called out anyone - coach or player in 2+ years on the job so far. He has been asked to name names in certain situations and has refused. He has taken the blame for several losses in post-game press conferences.

You don't know what the **** you're talking about.

BMF Bronco
08-30-2011, 01:28 PM
You don't know what the **** you're talking about.

maybe the lack of a handshake and the other bull**** he showed in this very PRESEASON when the Ravens scored in the last minute. Maybe the fault is not in question but his actions are, what a bitch...fitting he's your coach.

gyldenlove
08-30-2011, 01:56 PM
Haley has never called out anyone - coach or player in 2+ years on the job so far. He has been asked to name names in certain situations and has refused. He has taken the blame for several losses in post-game press conferences.

You don't know what the **** you're talking about.

You mean like when he got all butthurt over a preseason game and complained to John Harbaugh about running up the score in a weej 1 preseason game?

KCStud
08-30-2011, 03:08 PM
So let me get this straight. Progarbageweekly thinks that a coach that

-Beat the SB Champs in his first year of taking over a 2-14 team.
-Winning at Invesco, a place where the Chiefs always played terrible and the previous 2 coaches could never win.
-Coaching the biggest turnaround in team history.
-Coaching veteran players to their best seasons when other coaches couldn't. (Hali, Bowe, DJ).
-Winning the division title for the first time since 2003.

Yeah I'd say that definitely puts a coach on the hot seat. What a joke that website is.

KCStud
08-30-2011, 03:10 PM
You mean like when he got all butthurt over a preseason game and complained to John Harbaugh about running up the score in a weej 1 preseason game?

Ha! this is the farthest from the truth. Try getting the facts right next time.

KCStud
08-30-2011, 03:13 PM
Well now check out the Chiefs fan going out on a limb and predicting an 8-8 finish for his team. Interesting how we've been hearing about their successful rebuild and good coaching/FO and all the young talent and yet here we are taking a step backward from last year. It would be kinda sad if it wasn't so funny!

Just because you don't win as many games doesn't mean you aren't making progress. Kansas City has by far the hardest schedule in the NFL and it's not even close.

Mountain Bronco
08-30-2011, 03:37 PM
You mean like when he got all butthurt over a preseason game and complained to John Harbaugh about running up the score in a weej 1 preseason game?

This!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Haley is a jerk, but I hope he stays on as KC's jerk because I don't think he is capable of winning as a coach in this league.

Flex Gunmetal
08-30-2011, 03:49 PM
So let me get this straight. Progarbageweekly thinks that a coach that

-Beat the SB Champs in his first year of taking over a 2-14 team.
-Winning at Invesco, a place where the Chiefs always played terrible and the previous 2 coaches could never win.
-Coaching the biggest turnaround in team history.
-Coaching veteran players to their best seasons when other coaches couldn't. (Hali, Bowe, DJ).
-Winning the division title for the first time since 2003.

Yeah I'd say that definitely puts a coach on the hot seat. What a joke that website is.

This. Whether Haley gets most of the credit or not, the franchise has turned around under him (For 2 years at least).

I put more stock in the National Inquirer than PFW.

Tombstone RJ
08-30-2011, 03:50 PM
Just because you don't win as many games doesn't mean you aren't making progress. Kansas City has by far the hardest schedule in the NFL and it's not even close.

ROFL!

yep, chef's fan logic at its finest. NEXT!

KCStud
08-30-2011, 04:02 PM
ROFL!

yep, chef's fan logic at its finest. NEXT!

KC overachieved last season with a favorable hand. Even if they don't get to 10 wins they're making progress, unless they win less than 7 IMO. We have young players and if they develop into serious playmakers like Bowe, DJ and Hali did last year I'll be happy.

So you're telling me that if KC wins 8 or 9 games this season against the best teams in the NFL after winning 10 against mostly subpar teams last year, that's not improvement? If you think that then you clearly don't have common sense.

CEH
08-30-2011, 04:10 PM
ROFL!

yep, chef's fan logic at its finest. NEXT!

Not sure they know what acsending means either. I know they can't do math. Year 3 of the of Carl/Herm/Scott/Todd rebuilding plan. Mutliple GMs and coaches are all part of teh same rebuild plan

Watch the excuses fly if they actually lost Hali for the year. I feel a major injury coming on for KC, To go through the year before without a major injury it's just a matter of time. and no it's not bad karma it's just reality

broncswin
08-30-2011, 04:12 PM
the cheffs are a team that is better than average right now....and one that we should worry about......wow, I just threw up typing that

KCStud
08-30-2011, 04:13 PM
Not sure they know what acsending means either. I know they can't do math. Year 3 of the of Carl/Herm/Scott/Todd rebuilding plan. Mutliple GMs and coaches are all part of teh same rebuild plan

Watch the excuses fly if they actually lost Hali for the year. I feel a major injury coming on for KC, To go through the year before without a major injury it's just a matter of time. and no it's not bad karma it's just reality

Wow that's extremely classy. You give Bronco fans a bad name:pity:

Paul Finebaum PWNS!
08-30-2011, 04:14 PM
I will give KC this, they have some young studs (Charles, Bowe, Hali, Berry, Flowers). They have a window to do something.

Unfortunately, Cassel limits their upside. That's why San Diego with Philip Rivers is the class of the division and K.C. is a middle-of-pack AFC team.

Tombstone RJ
08-30-2011, 04:15 PM
KC overachieved last season with a favorable hand. Even if they don't get to 10 wins they're making progress, unless they win less than 7 IMO. We have young players and if they develop into serious playmakers like Bowe, DJ and Hali did last year I'll be happy.

soooo last year the chefs overachieved and now this year they are on schedule to underachieve? Got it. thanks...

KCStud
08-30-2011, 04:18 PM
soooo last year the chefs overachieved and now this year they are on schedule to underachieve? Got it. thanks...

So you're telling me that if KC wins 8 or 9 games this season against the best teams in the NFL after winning 10 against mostly subpar teams last year, that's not improvement? If you think that then you clearly don't have common sense.

KCStud
08-30-2011, 04:21 PM
I will give KC this, they have some young studs (Charles, Bowe, Hali, Berry, Flowers). They have a window to do something.

Unfortunately, Cassel limits their upside. That's why San Diego with Philip Rivers is the class of the division and K.C. is a middle-of-pack AFC team.

Cassel is a wait and see. He is a big reason why we went to the playoffs last year, but this year is different.

We also have Justin Houston who has looked outstanding so far. He might be the steal of the draft. He is very similar to Von Miller (I'm not saying he is as good or better. They have a lot of the same qualities and have both looked great in the preseason).

Tombstone RJ
08-30-2011, 04:22 PM
So you're telling me that if KC wins 8 or 9 games this season against the best teams in the NFL after winning 10 against mostly subpar teams last year, that's not improvement? If you think that then you clearly don't have common sense.

I'm saying if the chefs win less games this year than they did last year it's not what I call "improving" but if you like it fine! I know you a chef's fan and well, you root for a loser and it's kinda warped you.

I know in your mind losing is winning.

KCStud
08-30-2011, 04:26 PM
I'm saying if the chefs win less games this year than they did last year it's not what I call "improving" but if you like it fine! I know you a chef's fan and well, you root for a loser and it's kinda warped you.

I know in your mind losing is winning.

Insults and blab. Talking football with you is like talking to a paper bag. :clown:

Paul Finebaum PWNS!
08-30-2011, 04:30 PM
Cassel is a wait and see. He is a big reason why we went to the playoffs last year, but this year is different.

Enough with your wishy washy bull****. Either you like Cassel or you don't. Your avatar speaks loudly about how Queef fans think about Cassel.

Rolandftw
08-30-2011, 05:18 PM
So you're telling me that if KC wins 8 or 9 games this season against the best teams in the NFL after winning 10 against mostly subpar teams last year, that's not improvement? If you think that then you clearly don't have common sense.

Depends where there wins fall. KC has a tough 5 game stretch late in the year, but their first nine games are very favorable. @ Indy and @ SD are definitely their hardest games (and with Indy there's no idea when or if Peyton will play this year). I could see KC win 8 games, and still not really beat anyone that good. I could also see them win 4-6 games, if they struggle early (home games against Buffalo, Miami and Minnesota likely all must wins). Need to be better in the division as well.

We'll see. They're kind of an enigma, in that they didn't really play anyone last year, so they are a tough team to predict.

I doubt Haley gets fired unless it is catastrophically bad (like 2-14 or something) or if there is some scandal that embarrasses the team. I do agree that he gives credit to his players and is the first person to accept blame for players mistakes. Probably the type of coach that a lot of people don't like in the beginning but he grows on you as a player.

Him getting mad at other coaches all the time is pretty pathetic though. And he probably makes some of the most puzzling coaching game decisions of any NFL coach.

Bronx33
08-30-2011, 05:25 PM
Insults and blab. Talking football with you is like talking to a paper bag. :clown:


Ever consider you're being ***** with for the fun of it?

KCStud
08-30-2011, 05:50 PM
Enough with your wishy washy bull****. Either you like Cassel or you don't. Your avatar speaks loudly about how Queef fans think about Cassel.

I like Cassel. He's been successful as a starting QB.
As for my avatar, everybody love AmeriStanzi. He's the most American QB in the league!

Bronx33
08-30-2011, 05:52 PM
ameristanzi sounds like a direct non stop flight to afghanistan.

brncs_fan
08-30-2011, 06:37 PM
http://www.denverbroncos.com/assets/images/imported/DEN/photos/article-images/2010/07-July/100722_dumervil_ai.jpg

gyldenlove
08-30-2011, 06:41 PM
http://www.denverbroncos.com/assets/images/imported/DEN/photos/article-images/2010/07-July/100722_dumervil_ai.jpg

Aww, that black man is giving that white man a hug.

brncs_fan
08-30-2011, 06:42 PM
Aww, that black man is giving that white man a hug.

They will be good friends by the end of the season.

KCStud
08-30-2011, 06:47 PM
http://www.denverbroncos.com/assets/images/imported/DEN/photos/article-images/2010/07-July/100722_dumervil_ai.jpg

http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000d5d814be4fc/Tamba-Hali-sack-fumble

We have a good one too! Best part is your All Pro LT can never stop him ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!

brncs_fan
08-30-2011, 06:54 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000d5d814be4fc/Tamba-Hali-sack-fumble

We have a good one too! Best part is your All Pro LT can never stop him ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!

Chiefs fans are so cute. Hali has a career year and beats our all pro LT coming off major surgery and he can NEVER BE STOPPED!

Except for Clady's rookie year when he stone walled him like a Southern General with the last name of Jackson. We'll see how it turns out this year when Clady is actually healthy

KCStud
08-30-2011, 06:59 PM
Chiefs fans are so cute. Hali has a career year and beats our all pro LT coming off major surgery and he can NEVER BE STOPPED!

Except for Clady's rookie year when he stone walled him like a Southern General with the last name of Jackson. We'll see how it turns out this year when Clady is actually healthy

Hali has gotten like 4 or 5 sacks on Clady. That wasn't the only one LOL

Rolandftw
08-30-2011, 07:02 PM
Yeah, I thought that was funny too. Hali's been pretty mediocre other then last season. Apparently never, means one road game.

brncs_fan
08-30-2011, 07:13 PM
Hali has gotten like 4 or 5 sacks on Clady. That wasn't the only one LOL

Care to share when he got these other ones against Clady?

KCStud
08-30-2011, 07:15 PM
Yeah, I thought that was funny too. Hali's been pretty mediocre other then last season. Apparently never, means one road game.

Ha he's only had 1 bad season. LOL

Oh and this game too last season when he beat Clady again.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0dLd9AKgGD5I5/439x.jpg

Take off the blue and orange glasses. Albert has trouble blocking Dumervill and Clady has trouble blocking Hali. It's a known and proven fact.

brncs_fan
08-30-2011, 07:18 PM
Ha he's only had 1 bad season. LOL

Oh and this game too last season when he beat Clady again.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0dLd9AKgGD5I5/439x.jpg

Take off the blue and orange glasses. Albert has trouble blocking Dumervill and Clady has trouble blocking Hali. It's a known and proven fact.

Once again you are showing me last year when Clady played hurt all year. Care to look into any of the previous years?

KCStud
08-30-2011, 07:20 PM
Once again you are showing me last year when Clady played hurt all year. Care to look into any of the previous years?

The first video posted was in 2009.

brncs_fan
08-30-2011, 07:26 PM
I find it entirely funny that you have failed to provide any evidence to prove that Hali is unstoppable against Clady but you have offered nothing to back that up except for one video that shows Orton holding onto the ball too long.

It is even more entertaining to me that you are so intimidated by the Dumervil-Von Miller combination that you immediately tried to turn it into a Clady vs. Hali thread. I smell your fear from here and I have to say...you need to change your pants and get some resolve on that spot on the carpet.

KCStud
08-30-2011, 07:33 PM
I find it entirely funny that you have failed to provide any evidence to prove that Hali is unstoppable against Clady but you have offered nothing to back that up except for one video that shows Orton holding onto the ball too long.

It is even more entertaining to me that you are so intimidated by the Dumervil-Von Miller combination that you immediately tried to turn it into a Clady vs. Hali thread. I smell your fear from here and I have to say...you need to change your pants and get some resolve on that spot on the carpet.

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000622603/polls_ha_ha_ha2_0951_948934_answer_1_xlarge.jpeg

Blueflame
08-30-2011, 07:55 PM
Well, that is cute of you to say but it isn't true.

I am not one to believe or get wrapped up in talking heads but you are the one who made this silly claim. The fact is most people see the AFC West as a two horse race between the Chargers and Chiefs. What will happen? I don't know but a lot of sporting world sees the Chiefs as a team that will once again be one and done in the playoffs.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/01/06/super-bowl-xlv-predictions/index.html

Fixed your post for you.

Rolandftw
08-30-2011, 08:02 PM
Didn't say he has had bad years, but as a pass rusher it's pretty obvious last year was his best year by far. First year he's had of getting double digit sacks, coincidentally on one of the softer schedules of the league. Would like to see him replicate it this year (ha, not really). I'm sure most non-biased fans would call Dumervil and Hali a wash (even tho Doom has had better overall numbers in one less year played)

I agree that they have both have had good games against our respective teams. Equal sack totals for the last six games against each other.

Interesting note: Broncos are 4-0 against the Chiefs when Doom's gotten a sack, and 0-2 when he hasn't. I'm sure some of that has to do with the overall struggles of the Chiefs from 07-09 though.

Bronx33
08-30-2011, 08:06 PM
I find it entirely funny that you have failed to provide any evidence to prove that Hali is unstoppable against Clady but you have offered nothing to back that up except for one video that shows Orton holding onto the ball too long.

It is even more entertaining to me that you are so intimidated by the Dumervil-Von Miller combination that you immediately tried to turn it into a Clady vs. Hali thread. I smell your fear from here and I have to say...you need to change your pants and get some resolve on that spot on the carpet.


That fear you smell is go ole fashioned kansas city BBQ which usually masks any form on BS the chefs fans can brew up only difference is they are good at both.

ZachKC
08-30-2011, 08:43 PM
And wow, what a division! I think the Bengals could have won this division.

I am just shocked that someone will blame Haley. But even more that some thinks Haley knows it's his fault and that this will be his last season. What I get from Haley is nothing has ever been his fault.

What are you faulting him for? Taking a **** team and getting them into the playoffs?

At season 1 of your own turn around what the Chiefs have done is the absolute best case scenario for you next year.

ZachKC
08-30-2011, 08:46 PM
Clady is a great offensive lineman. Having said that anyone with eyes can see that Hali has owned him.

ZachKC
08-30-2011, 08:49 PM
There was a 2 play sack\sack+fumble Hali once had against Clady. I remember seeing a play where Clady barely touched him.

gunns
08-30-2011, 08:53 PM
So you're telling me that if KC wins 8 or 9 games this season against the best teams in the NFL after winning 10 against mostly subpar teams last year, that's not improvement? If you think that then you clearly don't have common sense.

This is basically a rationalization on your part. If the team has truly improved they should match their record or better it, regardless of the teams. And strength of schedule is bogus. The best teams from last year might not be this year and vice versa. Sounds like a set up to be able to say something good about the Chiefs when it's over, regardless.

ZachKC
08-30-2011, 08:55 PM
This is basically a rationalization on your part. If the team has truly improved they should match their record or better it, regardless of the teams. And strength of schedule is bogus. The best teams from last year might not be this year and vice versa. Sounds like a set up to be able to say something good about the Chiefs when it's over, regardless.

Broncos fans crap on the Chiefs record for the teams they played last year but now that the schedule is tough it is a non factor.

I love you stilly bastards.

KCStud
08-30-2011, 09:00 PM
Didn't say he has had bad years, but as a pass rusher it's pretty obvious last year was his best year by far. First year he's had of getting double digit sacks, coincidentally on one of the softer schedules of the league. Would like to see him replicate it this year (ha, not really). I'm sure most non-biased fans would call Dumervil and Hali a wash (even tho Doom has had better overall numbers in one less year played)

I agree that they have both have had good games against our respective teams. Equal sack totals for the last six games against each other.

Interesting note: Broncos are 4-0 against the Chiefs when Doom's gotten a sack, and 0-2 when he hasn't. I'm sure some of that has to do with the overall struggles of the Chiefs from 08-10 though.

They're actually very similar players. Both had great success when they moved to OLB in the 34. Both have questions. Can Dumervil perform after such a bad injury? Can Hali repeat his performance? I think they both can. They should both get at least 10 sacks this season.

KCStud
08-30-2011, 09:08 PM
Broncos fans crap on the Chiefs record for the teams they played last year but now that the schedule is tough it is a non factor.

I love you stilly bastards.

This. I have heard countless times of how easy KC's schedule was on this board. It goes both ways Gunns. People won't give KC credit for beating the subpar teams they played last season and earning the right to be in the playoffs.

gunns
08-30-2011, 09:10 PM
Broncos fans crap on the Chiefs record for the teams they played last year but now that the schedule is tough it is a non factor.

I love you stilly bastards.

That's because at this point we know about the strength of the teams you played last year. No one knows about the teams this year. It's not a difficult concept but I realize it doesn't play into your hand of developing an excuse for the Chiefs.

ZachKC
08-30-2011, 09:19 PM
That's because at this point we know about the strength of the teams you played last year. No one knows about the teams this year. It's not a difficult concept but I realize it doesn't play into your hand of developing an excuse for the Chiefs.

I dunno...I think we have a good general idea of who is who in the league. Sure there are some surprises but you know what? NE? Will probably be pretty good. The Broncos on the other hand? They will be pretty damn bad.

HAT
08-30-2011, 09:59 PM
I dunno...I think we have a good general idea of who is who in the league. Sure there are some surprises but you know what? NE? Will probably be pretty good. The Broncos on the other hand? They will be pretty damn bad.

If by pretty good you mean 8-8 then I agree. The Pats are in for a huge drop-off this year.

KCStud
08-30-2011, 10:35 PM
That's because at this point we know about the strength of the teams you played last year. No one knows about the teams this year. It's not a difficult concept but I realize it doesn't play into your hand of developing an excuse for the Chiefs.

So you're saying you don't know how good NE, NYJ, PIT, CHI, IND, SD, GB are going to be?

Every team has had success and been in the playoffs consistently in recent years and the best QB's are on most of those teams.
People most definitely know that those teams are going to be very good again this year.

Ugly Duck
08-30-2011, 10:57 PM
KC looks pretty bad in preseason...but its preseason. SD and Denver look improved, and Oakland seems about the same.

Thats a compliment to Oakland that they seem about the same cuz they haven't been playing most of their more talented players this preseason. RB Darren McFadden & DT Richard Seymour & WR Jacoby Ford & WR Louis Murphy & DT John Henderson. New TE Kevin Boss only played a coupla series. This shortened offseason has impacted the preseason strategies for all the teams. Can't really draw too many conclusions from preseason in a normal year - even less so this time around.

HAT
08-30-2011, 11:32 PM
So you're saying you don't know how good NE, NYJ, PIT, CHI, IND, SD, GB are going to be?

.

NE 8-8
NYj 9-7
PIT 10-6
CHI 6-10
IND 7-9
SD 10-6
GB 11-5

broncocalijohn
08-30-2011, 11:40 PM
I dunno...I think we have a good general idea of who is who in the league. Sure there are some surprises but you know what? NE? Will probably be pretty good. The Broncos on the other hand? They will be pretty damn bad.

I guess then you are going to smoke the Pick 'Em league we set up here. After all, you know who is going to be good, correct? Good can be 10-6 and above. With home field advantage for an average team, that doesn't spell in absolute win for most visiting teams. KC was improved last year but they will struggle this year. Harder schedule and I believe there are teams that got better and will beat KC. 9-7 for KC won't be bad considering their schedule. I think 8 wins or less (7-9) is in my crystal ball.

Bob's your Information Minister
08-31-2011, 01:08 AM
What none of you realize is a shortened offseason vastly favors the division champions from last year.

The Chiefs and Chargers are going to hit the ground running while teams with new coaches - like Denver and Oakland - will need a lot of time to adjust.

Considering the Chargers awesome offseason moves were Bob Sanders and Takeo Spikes, I like the Chiefs' chances.

brncs_fan
08-31-2011, 04:09 AM
What none of you realize is a shortened offseason vastly favors the division champions from last year.

The Chiefs and Chargers are going to hit the ground running while teams with new coaches - like Denver and Oakland - will need a lot of time to adjust.

Considering the Chargers awesome offseason moves were Bob Sanders and Takeo Spikes, I like the Chiefs' chances.

That is true for about 3-4 weeks into the season.

Btw, did you see our schedule for the first three weeks?

Oak @ Den
Cin @ Den
Den @ Tenn

CEH
08-31-2011, 05:21 AM
Broncos fans crap on the Chiefs record for the teams they played last year but now that the schedule is tough it is a non factor.

I love you stilly bastards.

No what we are saying is Denver and KC are not that dissimilar.
If KC played Balt and NYJ and lost Hali for the whole year while Denver played
CLEV and BUF with a healthy Elvis the records would not be that different

No way KC beats smashmouth teams like Balt and NYJ and not having Hali would likely be a crushing blow for KC. I would think having Doom or not having Hali is good for 1 game swing in the record.

And I haven't even added in the cancer that was Josh MCDainiel into the equation for last year

I could easily make a case for a 3 game swing now both teams are 7-9.

Luckily we get to see that play out this year.

crazyhorse
08-31-2011, 05:21 AM
Over rated? I didnt know they were rated that high. Almost no one is picking them to repeat.

Kaylore
08-31-2011, 05:30 AM
Over rated? I didnt know they were rated that high. Almost no one is picking them to repeat.

This.

ZachKC
08-31-2011, 05:35 AM
No what we are saying is Denver and KC are not that dissimilar.
If KC played Balt and NYJ and lost Hali for the whole year while Denver played
CLEV and BUF with a healthy Elvis the records would not be that different

No way KC beats smashmouth teams like Balt and NYJ and not having Hali would likely be a crushing blow for KC. I would think having Doom or not having Hali is good for 1 game swing in the record.

And I haven't even added in the cancer that was Josh MCDainiel into the equation for last year

I could easily make a case for a 3 game swing now both teams are 7-9.

Luckily we get to see that play out this year.
So.

If we lose Hali we don't magically get the worst run defense in the NFL and a mediorcre running game.

Excuse me if I think the different between being being Denver which had organizational face palm after face palm on top of being a horrible football team to being a division champion have more to do than us having Tamba Hali.

ROFL!

I do love me some Hali though. :sunshine:

You guys can't run or stop the run. That is why you suck.

CEH
08-31-2011, 05:49 AM
So.

If we lose Hali we don't magically get the worst run defense in the NFL and a mediorcre running game.

Excuse me if I think the different between being being Denver which had organizational face palm after face palm on top of being a horrible football team to being a division champion have more to do than us having Tamba Hali.

ROFL!

I do love me some Hali though. :sunshine:

You guys can't run or stop the run. That is why you suck.

Yes even with Josh I think Denver could have beaten CLEV and BUF and I know KC would lose to BALT and NYJ. Cassell crumble against good teams. THat's his MO

Enough about KC. I don't really care about the CHEFS

Like I said the roles are reversed this year so we will see if KC is 6 games better than Denver. I don't think so.

ZachKC
08-31-2011, 05:53 AM
Like I said the roles are reversed this year so we will see if KC is 6 games better than Denver. I don't think so.

Shoot for the stars kid.

crawdad
08-31-2011, 06:40 AM
What none of you realize is a shortened offseason vastly favors the division champions from last year.

The Chiefs and Chargers are going to hit the ground running while teams with new coaches - like Denver and Oakland - will need a lot of time to adjust.

Considering the Chargers awesome offseason moves were Bob Sanders and Takeo Spikes, I like the Chiefs' chances.

What the hell are you talking about and on what do you base this statement?

Bob's your Information Minister
08-31-2011, 06:54 AM
logic, how does it work

crawdad
08-31-2011, 07:44 AM
You are an idiot! Last season means absolutely nothing with regards to this season!

ZachKC
08-31-2011, 08:01 AM
I think his use of the phrase division champions was poor but if you think you aren't behind the game with your first year coach during a labor shortened off season compared to a team like the Chiefs then...

...good luck.

crawdad
08-31-2011, 08:14 AM
Come on Zach, first year coach? How long has Fox been a head coach? How long has Haley been a head coach?

Last years results certainly have no bearing on this years results. How in the hell could that possibly favor any team! It is just a stupid statement. If you support Boob, well, bless your heart.

If you think Boob's statement holds water, good luck finding a drink this year!

ZachKC
08-31-2011, 08:18 AM
Come on Zach, first year coach? How long has Fox been a head coach? How long has Haley been a head coach?

Last years results certainly have no bearing on this years results. How in the hell could that possibly favor any team! It is just a stupid statement. If you support Boob, well, bless your heart.

If you think Boob's statement holds water, good luck finding a drink this year!

I am sure putting in a new system with McD's players has no bearing on anything.

lol.

Whatever you say MySpace guy.

Chronic
08-31-2011, 08:32 AM
It'll take us atleast a year under new coach Fox to get things all rolling in the same direction.

I'm more the realistic Bronco fan than the homer, the schedule, is what it is. And who's to say we bet the Browns or Bills?

All we do is poke fun at Oakland and they hung 100 points on us in 2 games.

No, we were a very bad and ugly team last year- we got a couple draft picks that I like- but to think we are going to win this division is delusional thinking. Chiefs are a better talented team than we are, theres nothing wrong with admitting the facts instead of trying to blindly disregard the truth. The Raiders are a better team talent wise too.

I said it last year about Oakland and got rosted on another Bronco board by a bunch of homers. And I'm saying it again, that Faider team is potent on offense, and if we dont get some of these guys healthy for week 1, we could be embarrassed on national TV. Would be surprised in Crypt Keeper and the Faiders dont roll up 50 points on us- that running game tehy have in Oakland is on fire. And the Chiefs do too. Doesnt matter who's at QB- all teams gotta do is unleash the running game and its over by qtr 1 if we dont fix this crap soon

crawdad
08-31-2011, 08:47 AM
It'll take us atleast a year under new coach Fox to get things all rolling in the same direction.

I'm more the realistic Bronco fan than the homer, the schedule, is what it is. And who's to say we bet the Browns or Bills?

All we do is poke fun at Oakland and they hung 100 points on us in 2 games.

No, we were a very bad and ugly team last year- we got a couple draft picks that I like- but to think we are going to win this division is delusional thinking. Chiefs are a better talented team than we are, theres nothing wrong with admitting the facts instead of trying to blindly disregard the truth. The Raiders are a better team talent wise too.

I said it last year about Oakland and got rosted on another Bronco board by a bunch of homers. And I'm saying it again, that Faider team is potent on offense, and if we dont get some of these guys healthy for week 1, we could be embarrassed on national TV. Would be surprised in Crypt Keeper and the Faiders dont roll up 50 points on us- that running game tehy have in Oakland is on fire. And the Chiefs do too. Doesnt matter who's at QB- all teams gotta do is unleash the running game and its over by qtr 1 if we dont fix this crap soon

Did you even bother to read this thread? You make sense but this thread isn't about the Broncos. Try to stay on topic, noob!

Rolandftw
08-31-2011, 09:09 AM
Chief fans do talk a lot... for an organization that hasn't won anything since the 60's and hasn't been relevant since Joe Montana was their QB. I think it's funny that they know Denver sucks, and yet are already rationalizing why 2 less wins for KC is an IMPROVEMENT. Funny stuff.

Hali was pretty much KC's only consistent pass rusher last season. You take him out of the equation and opposing team QB's would have had all day to shred KC's passing defense. They would have taken more chances with sending more guys which would have in turn hurt their run game.

As far as the Broncos rushing O, didn't help matters that Josh wanted Denver to pass the ball on every down. When Denver committed to running the football last season, they actually ran the ball well, in most games that Moreno was in there. He missed about a third of the season with injuries though, and Denver didn't get any production anywhere else. Having Kyle Orton throw the ball 35-45 times a game was stupid.

mwill07
08-31-2011, 09:35 AM
Chief fans do talk a lot... for an organization that hasn't won anything since the 60's and hasn't been relevant since Joe Montana was their QB. I think it's funny that they know Denver sucks, and yet are already rationalizing why 2 less wins for KC is an IMPROVEMENT. Funny stuff.

Hali was pretty much KC's only consistent pass rusher last season. You take him out of the equation and opposing team QB's would have had all day to shred KC's passing defense. They would have taken more chances with sending more guys which would have in turn hurt their run game.

As far as the Broncos rushing O, didn't help matters that Josh wanted Denver to pass the ball on every down. When Denver committed to running the football last season, they actually ran the ball well, in most games that Moreno was in there. He missed about a third of the season with injuries though, and Denver didn't get any production anywhere else. Having Kyle Orton throw the ball 35-45 times a game was stupid.

by coincidence, against what opponent did Moreno have his only two 100 yard games as a pro?

DENVERDUI55
08-31-2011, 09:41 AM
KC won't get any respect beating up on bottom feeders and getting blown out by teams like us last year. No wonder why Haley had panties in a bunch Denver blew them out so he pulled running up score crybaby crap.

crazyhorse
08-31-2011, 09:52 AM
KC won't get any respect beating up on bottom feeders and getting blown out by teams like us last year. No wonder why Haley had panties in a bunch Denver blew them out so he pulled running up score crybaby crap.

AFC West Champs > respect of the denver fans.

crazyhorse
08-31-2011, 09:56 AM
Chief fans do talk a lot... for an organization that hasn't won anything since the 60's and hasn't been relevant since Joe Montana was their QB. I think it's funny that they know Denver sucks, and yet are already rationalizing why 2 less wins for KC is an IMPROVEMENT. Funny stuff.

Hali was pretty much KC's only consistent pass rusher last season. You take him out of the equation and opposing team QB's would have had all day to shred KC's passing defense. They would have taken more chances with sending more guys which would have in turn hurt their run game.

As far as the Broncos rushing O, didn't help matters that Josh wanted Denver to pass the ball on every down. When Denver committed to running the football last season, they actually ran the ball well, in most games that Moreno was in there. He missed about a third of the season with injuries though, and Denver didn't get any production anywhere else. Having Kyle Orton throw the ball 35-45 times a game was stupid.

We talk because we can. Pretty simple really.

Look at the Broncos over the last few years. Yet you find a way to talk ****. Thats just the way things go w/fans.

Ironlung
08-31-2011, 10:11 AM
So.

You guys can't run or stop the run. That is why you suck.

Atleast we KNOW we can run on the Queefs!

DENVERDUI55
08-31-2011, 12:27 PM
AFC West Champs > respect of the denver fans.

Seattle won division and playoff game and suck too. It's irrelevant that Denver isn't that good because it doesn't change that KC isn't very good and can't beat slightly better than average teams.

Rolandftw
08-31-2011, 03:07 PM
We talk because we can. Pretty simple really.

Look at the Broncos over the last few years. Yet you find a way to talk ****. Thats just the way things go w/fans.

How did I talk ****?

Most of my post had to do with the Broncos and how the Chiefs would miss Hali as a pass rusher.

I just don't get this sense of entitlement Chief fans have. You'd think that they won the Super Bowl or something, instead of getting pounded at home in the playoffs.

They're so impressed their quick turnaround from being bad, but strangely enough think that no other team could have such a turnaround.

KCStud
08-31-2011, 07:45 PM
Chief fans do talk a lot... for an organization that hasn't won anything since the 60's and hasn't been relevant since Joe Montana was their QB. I think it's funny that they know Denver sucks, and yet are already rationalizing why 2 less wins for KC is an IMPROVEMENT. Funny stuff.

Hali was pretty much KC's only consistent pass rusher last season. You take him out of the equation and opposing team QB's would have had all day to shred KC's passing defense. They would have taken more chances with sending more guys which would have in turn hurt their run game.

As far as the Broncos rushing O, didn't help matters that Josh wanted Denver to pass the ball on every down. When Denver committed to running the football last season, they actually ran the ball well, in most games that Moreno was in there. He missed about a third of the season with injuries though, and Denver didn't get any production anywhere else. Having Kyle Orton throw the ball 35-45 times a game was stupid.

Again this is preseason, but 3rd round pick Justin Houston has looked outstanding in preseason. He's looked like a first round pick and the 2nd best pass rusher in the class thus far like he was projected to be (fell to round 3 due to mary jane). I honestly don't think he's that far off from Von Miller in his skills as a pass rusher.
Cameron Sheffield has also looked above average. He didn't play last year after a fatal neck injury in preseason. Now that he's back he's been looking very promising.
If there's one thing KC fans are excited about, it's the pass rush, because we haven't have a legitimate pass rush duo in years.

Bronx33
08-31-2011, 07:48 PM
Atleast we KNOW we can run on the Queefs!



He takes pictures of magazine racks so cut em some slack.

KCStud
08-31-2011, 07:49 PM
How did I talk ****?

Most of my post had to do with the Broncos and how the Chiefs would miss Hali as a pass rusher.

I just don't get this sense of entitlement Chief fans have. You'd think that they won the Super Bowl or something, instead of getting pounded at home in the playoffs.

They're so impressed their quick turnaround from being bad, but strangely enough think that no other team could have such a turnaround.

In a normal year, yes, but you have to realize that John Fox didn't even get to meet with the full team and do practices, meetings, OTA's. Those mean a great deal to a team with a new coach, new system, new personnel. Teams like the Chargers and Chiefs who have had their system in place for a few years have a clear advantage. I like the Broncos picks, but it's gonna take time to get them all to gel. Hell even KC is having trouble on their OL due to the shortage of practice.

KCStud
08-31-2011, 07:52 PM
Seattle won division and playoff game and suck too. It's irrelevant that Denver isn't that good because it doesn't change that KC isn't very good and can't beat slightly better than average teams.

I know you don't just compare us to Seattle. We slaughtered them and we won 10 games last year. You play with the hand you're dealt. This year KC plays the hardest schedule in the league and it's not even close. We play playoff teams all year long and we have the hardest stretch of any team.

broncosteven
08-31-2011, 07:54 PM
Again this is preseason, but 3rd round pick Justin Houston has looked outstanding in preseason. He's looked like a first round pick and the 2nd best pass rusher in the class thus far like he was projected to be (fell to round 3 due to mary jane). I honestly don't think he's that far off from Von Miller in his skills as a pass rusher.
Cameron Sheffield has also looked above average. He didn't play last year after a fatal neck injury in preseason. Now that he's back he's been looking very promising.
If there's one thing KC fans are excited about, it's the pass rush, because we haven't have a legitimate pass rush duo in years.

Did this Houston kid get neck punched by Thomas Jones?

I didn't notice him on the field in the 2 KFC games I saw this PS. Was he on the 2nd string?

broncosteven
08-31-2011, 07:55 PM
I know you don't just compare us to Seattle. We slaughtered them and we won 10 games last year. You play with the hand you're dealt. This year KC plays the hardest schedule in the league and it's not even close. We play playoff teams all year long and we have the hardest stretch of any team.

Sounds like someone is salting away an excuse for failure "the schedule is too hard".

DENVERDUI55
08-31-2011, 07:57 PM
I know you don't just compare us to Seattle. We slaughtered them and we won 10 games last year. You play with the hand you're dealt. This year KC plays the hardest schedule in the league and it's not even close. We play playoff teams all year long and we have the hardest stretch of any team.

Your right Seattle actually beat a couple good teams and won a playoff game they should of never won. Sorry I was wrong.

ZachKC
08-31-2011, 09:22 PM
Did this Houston kid get neck punched by Thomas Jones?

I didn't notice him on the field in the 2 KFC games I saw this PS. Was he on the 2nd string?

There were a lot of things you didn't notice when you were "watching" that game.

ZachKC
08-31-2011, 09:24 PM
They're so impressed their quick turnaround from being bad, but strangely enough think that no other team could have such a turnaround.

Actually I am not discounting that. But am realistic for the Broncos that they are at step 1 of the process...and even at step 1 at a disadvantage because of the time constraints from the labor shortage.

The Chiefs had an impressive turn around...and still sucked in that first year under their head coach.

The best case scenario...one in which your team grows and gets better still involves the Broncos sucking.

Especially when your strengths are in pass rushing while you have the two best running games in the whole league in your own division.

broncosteven
08-31-2011, 09:46 PM
There were a lot of things you didn't notice when you were "watching" that game.

This is true but I don't remember seeing this Houston guy playing like the 2nd best pass rusher.

KCStud
08-31-2011, 10:49 PM
Sounds like someone is salting away an excuse for failure "the schedule is too hard".

Or I could be like the conventional Bronco fan and say that 'the schedule was too easy" for KC to make up for your teams lack of results and envious doubt.

KCStud
08-31-2011, 10:50 PM
Your right Seattle actually beat a couple good teams and won a playoff game they should of never won. Sorry I was wrong.

Seattle did a great job against an underachieving New Orleans team and they deserve credit. Fact is, KC beat them badly at their house. KC was the better team.

Rolandftw
08-31-2011, 11:05 PM
Again this is preseason, but 3rd round pick Justin Houston has looked outstanding in preseason. He's looked like a first round pick and the 2nd best pass rusher in the class thus far like he was projected to be (fell to round 3 due to mary jane). I honestly don't think he's that far off from Von Miller in his skills as a pass rusher.
Cameron Sheffield has also looked above average. He didn't play last year after a fatal neck injury in preseason. Now that he's back he's been looking very promising.
If there's one thing KC fans are excited about, it's the pass rush, because we haven't have a legitimate pass rush duo in years.

I've heard that comparison a lot by Chief fans, but outside of KC I don't think anyone is making it. It's like saying Rahim Moore is comparable in pass coverage to Eric Berry (even tho Berry got burned a bit as a rookie, I still think he will develop into a great safety against the pass). Both might have good/great careers, and anything is possible but outside of Denver homers no one is making that comparison.

And like mentioned later in this thread, he hasn't even played against a first team offense yet (as far as I know). His two sacks in the preseason against Baltimore were against their second team offense. Think he can be a very good player particularly in a 3-4, but it won't be over night.

Even without the off the field problem, I really doubt he would have jumped Quinn, Aldon Smith and JJ Watt (not to mention Kerrigan, Clayborn, Jordan, Dareus and Fairley). He was probably the seventh best pass rusher in the draft, and still a steal for the Chiefs where they got him.

Can see why Chief fans would be excited about their pass rush, but no one outside of KC sees Houston as the second best pass rusher of the draft. I don't think the marijuana was the only reason he was picked after so many other pass rushers. Pretty sure if teams thought he was elite he would have been picked in the second round or earlier. Now it's possible they made a mistake, but players have tested positive prior to the draft and have NOT always slipped to the third round.

Rolandftw
08-31-2011, 11:16 PM
Actually I am not discounting that. But am realistic for the Broncos that they are at step 1 of the process...and even at step 1 at a disadvantage because of the time constraints from the labor shortage.

The Chiefs had an impressive turn around...and still sucked in that first year under their head coach.

The best case scenario...one in which your team grows and gets better still involves the Broncos sucking.

Especially when your strengths are in pass rushing while you have the two best running games in the whole league in your own division.

I didn't even mean just the Broncos, but in general people act like the Chiefs turnaround was so impressive no other team will be able to do it.

I don't think the Raiders or Chiefs will be at the top this season in rushing. Still have good rushing offense but don't think they will be as successful as last year (namely difference in schedule).

I'm a lot more worried about how Denver will do against screens then I am with straight up running. Think Denver was hurt more against Oakland and KC by screen passes then they were by straight handoffs. And when you run a defense like Denver is running with a lot of blitzing it opens the door up that you can get hurt by screen passes. Don't get me wrong, Jamaal Charles will probably break a big play at some point in both of their games but he seems to do that against pretty much everyone.

I guess I don't see Denver as in step 1 of a rebuild like the Chiefs were a few years ago, because I see last years record as more of an exception caused by thin depth, questionable coaching and a large amount of injuries to positions with thin depth.

I also think Denver's softer schedule early on will benefit them as they get some rough spots figured out. For what it's worth, they probably have the softest road schedule in the division, and Denver is going to be a tougher place to place this year in my view.

Not saying they are going to be world beaters but if I was a betting man, I'd be more likely to believe they finish closer to 8-8 then they would 4-12.

JJJ
08-31-2011, 11:27 PM
Well, that is cute of you to say but it isn't true.

I am not one to believe or get wrapped up in talking heads but you are the one who made this silly claim. The fact is most people see the AFC West as a two horse race between the Chargers and Chiefs. What will happen? I don't know but a lot of sporting world sees the Chiefs as a team that will once again be in the playoffs.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/01/06/super-bowl-xlv-predictions/index.html

chiefs fans are on top of it.

Perhaps you did not realize that this were the exact 12 teams from last years playoffs. Because this was a prediction for last year's playoffs before they started.

I guess the postseason prediction and the January 7th, 2011 dates were not clues enough.

KCStud
09-01-2011, 01:02 AM
I've heard that comparison a lot by Chief fans, but outside of KC I don't think anyone is making it. It's like saying Rahim Moore is comparable in pass coverage to Eric Berry (even tho Berry got burned a bit as a rookie, I still think he will develop into a great safety against the pass). Both might have good/great careers, and anything is possible but outside of Denver homers no one is making that comparison.

And like mentioned later in this thread, he hasn't even played against a first team offense yet (as far as I know). His two sacks in the preseason against Baltimore were against their second team offense. Think he can be a very good player particularly in a 3-4, but it won't be over night.

Even without the off the field problem, I really doubt he would have jumped Quinn, Aldon Smith and JJ Watt (not to mention Kerrigan, Clayborn, Jordan, Dareus and Fairley). He was probably the seventh best pass rusher in the draft, and still a steal for the Chiefs where they got him.

Can see why Chief fans would be excited about their pass rush, but no one outside of KC sees Houston as the second best pass rusher of the draft. I don't think the marijuana was the only reason he was picked after so many other pass rushers. Pretty sure if teams thought he was elite he would have been picked in the second round or earlier. Now it's possible they made a mistake, but players have tested positive prior to the draft and have NOT always slipped to the third round.

Particularly I was meaning in our system as an OLB in a 34 (sorry I didn't clarify). Smith is very good too, but I believe SF is running a 43?
Houston has extremely good speed off the edge just like Von Miller. He's surprisingly decent in pass coverage too. Von has him beat on pass rush moves tho.
I think he is definitely a first round talent and him slipping due to weed is not a concern as long as it stops. I'm extremely pleased to see that he hasn't taken plays off like scouts said he would. Chiefs fans have been very pleased with him and Rodney Hudson. It gives a little bit of light after the Baldwin fiasco.

KCStud
09-01-2011, 01:08 AM
I didn't even mean just the Broncos, but in general people act like the Chiefs turnaround was so impressive no other team will be able to do it.

I don't think the Raiders or Chiefs will be at the top this season in rushing. Still have good rushing offense but don't think they will be as successful as last year (namely difference in schedule).

I'm a lot more worried about how Denver will do against screens then I am with straight up running. Think Denver was hurt more against Oakland and KC by screen passes then they were by straight handoffs. And when you run a defense like Denver is running with a lot of blitzing it opens the door up that you can get hurt by screen passes. Don't get me wrong, Jamaal Charles will probably break a big play at some point in both of their games but he seems to do that against pretty much everyone.

I guess I don't see Denver as in step 1 of a rebuild like the Chiefs were a few years ago, because I see last years record as more of an exception caused by thin depth, questionable coaching and a large amount of injuries to positions with thin depth.

I also think Denver's softer schedule early on will benefit them as they get some rough spots figured out. For what it's worth, they probably have the softest road schedule in the division, and Denver is going to be a tougher place to place this year in my view.

Not saying they are going to be world beaters but if I was a betting man, I'd be more likely to believe they finish closer to 8-8 then they would 4-12.

Another thing to consider is the Broncos are close to the talent level as KC did at the start of last year.
I think the main difference is that the Broncos have much more difficult schedule than KC did when they surprised people last year.
I think anything at 6-10 or better would be good in the first year under the circumstances of the labor dispute.

MOCRUSH
09-01-2011, 04:14 AM
KCStub,

Who is this Scheffield fellow who has resurrected from a fatal neck injury and is playing well? Was Tebow involved and the KC press is burying the story? Haters!

crawdad
09-01-2011, 05:18 AM
chiefs fans are on top of it.

Perhaps you did not realize that this were the exact 12 teams from last years playoffs. Because this was a prediction for last year's playoffs before they started.

I guess the postseason prediction and the January 7th, 2011 dates were not clues enough.

That shiat is unreal! KC prediction that they will be in the playoffs after reading a January, 2011 news article

Raider Bill
09-01-2011, 07:05 AM
I'm a lot more worried about how Denver will do against screens then I am with straight up running. Think Denver was hurt more against Oakland and KC by screen passes then they were by straight handoffs. ,

Raiders last three games running the ball vs Denver = 241yds - 328yds - 264yds

Rolandftw
09-01-2011, 12:06 PM
Particularly I was meaning in our system as an OLB in a 34 (sorry I didn't clarify). Smith is very good too, but I believe SF is running a 43?
Houston has extremely good speed off the edge just like Von Miller. He's surprisingly decent in pass coverage too. Von has him beat on pass rush moves tho.
I think he is definitely a first round talent and him slipping due to weed is not a concern as long as it stops. I'm extremely pleased to see that he hasn't taken plays off like scouts said he would. Chiefs fans have been very pleased with him and Rodney Hudson. It gives a little bit of light after the Baldwin fiasco.

Guess there's two trains of thought with a player having some off the field problem close to the draft. The first is that it kills their draft stock, and essentially takes him off teams boards for the first and sometimes second round.

The second thought, and generally the one that I subscribe to is that it hurts players stock a little but if they have a great skill (teams love pass rushers, and other then QB's it's probably the riskiest position to draft but one of the most heaviest drafted) and no other big red flags, it's still going to be someone that they take very high in the draft.

Like you mentioned, scouts thought he had the reputation of taking off plays and when you combine that with testing positive for marijuana they become gigantic red flags for teams. Does he have first round talent/potential? No doubt. But his overall body of work wasn't likely a first round player, similarly to how Rahim Moore and Orlando Franklin's overall body of work wasn't that of a first round player. Think he was hurt by the red flags but also by the huge quality of pass rushers in the draft this year.

There's going to be fans of every player out of college, and there's always a chance that the one or two team(s) that really liked him and would have took him in the first was turned off by his charges enough to drop him two rounds.

Rolandftw
09-01-2011, 12:23 PM
As far as the Chiefs vs Broncos schedule, I think their road schedules (2010 KC vs 2011 Den) are very comparable.

Denver draws TEN, MIN, BUF, MIA & GB.
KC had CLE, HOU, IND, STL, SEA

GB is obviously tougher then Indy, but don't think there is much of a difference with the other four teams. Not saying Denver is going to dominate on the road or anything but I feel DEN & Oak clearly have the easier road paths then SD & KC (with them playing Ne, Chi & NYJ on the road).

Home schedule is harder, but at home you never know what can happen. I'm sure I'll lower my expectations if the Raiders own us again, so we'll see what happens.

And I'll concede that Oakland and KC have done a great job running on Denver their last three games, but I feel a lot of the reasons for that have been addressed. Namely an offense that is going to be more centered on running the football, and a defense that is a little bit less predictable then last season. Course if I'm wrong then it'll probably be a long season.

Jetmeck
09-11-2011, 12:33 PM
Chiefs are who we thought they are. I saw them live preseason, third game where you play the starters a lot and they were inept on both sides of the ball. Booing by their fans most of the game.

KCDUD, I told you cannot just throw a switch when real games start. Your team never showed anything in preseason, no spark of any kind. You played
a soft ass schedule last year when you played decent teams you tanked.
Get ready to go back underground this year !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

41-7 at beginning of fourth quarter to the Bills..................BS your team stinks.

GreatBronco16
09-11-2011, 12:37 PM
But this is just preseason.......................oh wait.

theAPAOps5
09-11-2011, 12:38 PM
OH OH

Perry1977
09-11-2011, 12:40 PM
Hope Bob is enjoying the game! Getting wrecked at home by one of the worst teams in the league. If only Jonathan Baldwin was in there, they'd be okay! Cuz he's a baller, son!

Peoples Champ
09-11-2011, 02:07 PM
Looks like these guys know what their talking about

KCStud
09-11-2011, 02:10 PM
Chiefs are who we thought they are. I saw them live preseason, third game where you play the starters a lot and they were inept on both sides of the ball. Booing by their fans most of the game.

KCDUD, I told you cannot just throw a switch when real games start. Your team never showed anything in preseason, no spark of any kind. You played
a soft ass schedule last year when you played decent teams you tanked.
Get ready to go back underground this year !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

41-7 at beginning of fourth quarter to the Bills..................BS your team stinks.

And what will that make the Broncos? Division winners? Ha! Hilarious!

Agamemnon
09-11-2011, 02:18 PM
And what will that make the Broncos? Division winners? Ha! Hilarious!

If your crap team won it last year, anything's possible...

broncosteven
09-11-2011, 04:17 PM
Again this is preseason, but 3rd round pick Justin Houston has looked outstanding in preseason. He's looked like a first round pick and the 2nd best pass rusher in the class thus far like he was projected to be (fell to round 3 due to mary jane). I honestly don't think he's that far off from Von Miller in his skills as a pass rusher.
Cameron Sheffield has also looked above average. He didn't play last year after a fatal neck injury in preseason. Now that he's back he's been looking very promising.
If there's one thing KC fans are excited about, it's the pass rush, because we haven't have a legitimate pass rush duo in years.

You still don't have a legit pass rush. Too bad for your sake you don't still have Jared Allen.

Do you still think this Houston guy is as good as a 1st pick?

My favorite part of the game (besides all the scoring by the Bills) was watching lame attempts of tackles by Derrick Johnson then watching Charles go down with an arm tackle.

Agamemnon
09-11-2011, 04:18 PM
Who didn't know KC's personnel were overrated honestly? Other than KC fans...

broncosteven
09-11-2011, 04:18 PM
And what will that make the Broncos? Division winners? Ha! Hilarious!

Playing KFC twice should get us over the hump.

Mediator12
09-11-2011, 05:21 PM
And what will that make the Broncos? Division winners? Ha! Hilarious!

No. However, I take a lot satisfaction in watching a pretender of a team like KC get throttled by a weak ass BUF team in their home opener ;D

KC is not good. They were lucky last year. Deal with it Chief fan. I love to see your bubble burst right off the bat!

Jetmeck
09-11-2011, 05:39 PM
No. However, I take a lot satisfaction in watching a pretender of a team like KC get throttled by a weak ass BUF team in their home opener ;D

KC is not good. They were lucky last year. Deal with it Chief fan. I love to see your bubble burst right off the bat!


AMEN BROTHER !!!

JJG
09-11-2011, 06:40 PM
Again this is preseason, but 3rd round pick Justin Houston has looked outstanding in preseason. He's looked like a first round pick and the 2nd best pass rusher in the class thus far like he was projected to be (fell to round 3 due to mary jane). I honestly don't think he's that far off from Von Miller in his skills as a pass rusher.
Cameron Sheffield has also looked above average. He didn't play last year after a fatal neck injury in preseason. Now that he's back he's been looking very promising.
If there's one thing KC fans are excited about, it's the pass rush, because we haven't have a legitimate pass rush duo in years.

wtf? No wonder he looked good, its hard to block a ghost...

hyperbole I hope?

Bob's your Information Minister
09-11-2011, 06:42 PM
Week 1 hiccup. We'll be fine.

TonyR
09-11-2011, 06:47 PM
Week 1 hiccup. We'll be fine.

LOL You trying to convince us or yourself?

broncocalijohn
09-11-2011, 07:01 PM
Another uninformed "analyst". Uhh
I'm definitely going to save this thread and bump it next month. This is pure comedy.

Why wait until next month or does september 11th count?

And what will that make the Broncos? Division winners? Ha! Hilarious!

At least 3rd place! Hilarious!

Bronx33
09-11-2011, 07:08 PM
Week 1 hiccup. We'll be fine.


The lions suck as bad and the bills do ya know. Ha!

KCStud
09-11-2011, 08:36 PM
No. However, I take a lot satisfaction in watching a pretender of a team like KC get throttled by a weak ass BUF team in their home opener ;D

KC is not good. They were lucky last year. Deal with it Chief fan. I love to see your bubble burst right off the bat!

So the only satisfaction you get from this season is watching the other teams suck instead of wanting to see yours do well bc you know they're going to suck? Got it.

TheReverend
09-11-2011, 08:43 PM
So the only satisfaction you get from this season is watching the other teams suck instead of wanting to see yours do well bc you know they're going to suck? Got it.

...that's not what he said at all. KC school systems at work.

cutthemdown
09-11-2011, 08:55 PM
Week 1 hiccup. We'll be fine.

Ya if by hiccup you mean vomiting out your organs all over the field. Chiefs are getting pushed around and that is never good.

Steve Sewell
09-11-2011, 09:04 PM
So the only satisfaction you get from this season is watching the other teams suck instead of wanting to see yours do well bc you know they're going to suck? Got it.

u mad bro?

Mediator12
09-12-2011, 06:01 AM
So the only satisfaction you get from this season is watching the other teams suck instead of wanting to see yours do well bc you know they're going to suck? Got it.

No. I enjoy watching rival teams fans delude themselves into thinking they have a talented team, spin away a catastrophic loss, and still defend their team. Oh, BTW you are on a rival fans board. This is pure entertainment ;D

I am not and never will be on a rival teams board. However, when deluded fans like yourself want to pump their chest up on a rival teams board you will be called out. And no amount of pathetic spin jobs are going to stop that :thumbsup:

CEH
09-12-2011, 01:44 PM
Not sure they know what acsending means either. I know they can't do math. Year 3 of the of Carl/Herm/Scott/Todd rebuilding plan. Mutliple GMs and coaches are all part of teh same rebuild plan

Watch the excuses fly if they actually lost Hali for the year. I feel a major injury coming on for KC, To go through the year before without a major injury it's just a matter of time. and no it's not bad karma it's just reality

Gotta say I was right on all accounts

CEH
09-21-2011, 04:40 PM
delusional Chef Fan
Another uninformed "analyst". Uhh
I'm definitely going to save this thread and bump it next month. This is pure comedy.



Bumpity Bump

48-3 Chiefs suck.

Pure comedy

maven
09-21-2011, 04:50 PM
Another uninformed "analyst". Uhh
I'm definitely going to save this thread and bump it next month. This is pure comedy.

Chiefs get 9 or 10


Week 1 hiccup. We'll be fine.

Same ole ****ty chiefs. Has to suck rooting for a pathetic ****ty franchise.

KCStud
09-21-2011, 04:57 PM
PFW Audibles Blurb: http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/08/28/insider-nix-hasnt-addressed-bills-greatest-needs



KC fans are going to hate their lack of repeat success this year after sneaking up on a weak schedule to make the playoffs last year ;D

Haha this isn't even why things are going bad. Injuries and Matt Cassel are the reason KC is doing so terribly.

KCStud
09-21-2011, 05:00 PM
Same ole ****ty chiefs. Has to suck rooting for a pathetic ****ty franchise.

So the 2nd worst team in the league who hired the head coach of the worst team in the NFL are calling a franchise pathetic?Hilarious!Hilarious!

Boobs McGee
09-21-2011, 05:12 PM
So the 2nd worst team in the league who hired the head coach of the worst team in the NFL are calling a franchise pathetic?Hilarious!Hilarious!


So, a team getting a combined 90 points dropped on them in back to back games while putting up 10 themselves?Hilarious!Hilarious!

And just for the record, we aren't even CLOSE to 2nd worst, and I would gladly take the head coach (worst team in the nfl last year, right?) that knows how to keep opponents from dropping 40 plus points a game on him.

Pound sand you dickless waste of oxygen.

Tombstone RJ
09-21-2011, 05:40 PM
So the 2nd worst team in the league who hired the head coach of the worst team in the NFL are calling a franchise pathetic?Hilarious!Hilarious!

it is pretty funny... funny haha not funny :loopy:

KipCorrington25
09-21-2011, 05:44 PM
So, a team getting a combined 90 points dropped on them in back to back games while putting up 10 themselves?Hilarious!Hilarious!

And just for the record, we aren't even CLOSE to 2nd worst, and I would gladly take the head coach (worst team in the nfl last year, right?) that knows how to keep opponents from dropping 40 plus points a game on him.

Pound sand you dickless waste of oxygen.

It's those Kansas City schools rearing their ugly head again which just lost their state accreditation by the way.

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/09/20/3156768/kc-loses-school-accreditation.html

Bronx33
09-21-2011, 05:51 PM
I was wondering when this thread was going to get bumped med was spot on.

rugbythug
09-21-2011, 05:54 PM
So the 2nd worst team in the league who hired the head coach of the worst team in the NFL are calling a franchise pathetic?Hilarious!Hilarious!

2011 catch it

Ugly Duck
09-21-2011, 06:11 PM
KC is overrated at #32? I... just don't know what to say....

Tombstone RJ
09-21-2011, 06:14 PM
we should start a count down to the Haley firing... will it happen before the season ends?

what's the chance of Haley giving Stanzi a shot?

Outscored 89 to 10 in 2 games. that's like college bad. that's like 'bama b**** slap'n North Texas State bad...

gunns
09-21-2011, 06:35 PM
So the 2nd worst team in the league who hired the head coach of the worst team in the NFL are calling a franchise pathetic?Hilarious!Hilarious!

So the team that picked 5, 3, and 5 in consecutive years, before this year, who doesn't have to hire a bad head coach to be bad can't see that their pathetic, long term?

Hilarious! Hilarious!

KCStud
09-21-2011, 06:37 PM
You guys are right. It is 2011...and Brokeback Mt is still one of the worst teams in the league.
One of the worst teams in the league making fun of one of the other worst teams in the league. What a concept! Brokeback fans shouldn't throw rocks in glass houses.

broncosteven
09-21-2011, 06:39 PM
Haha this isn't even why things are going bad. Injuries and Matt Cassel are the reason KC is doing so terribly.

Matt Cassel isn't wiffing on tackles.

Matt Cassel isn't calling 7 straight runs to start a game.

Matt Cassel isn't missing FG's.

Matt Cassel isn't responsible for signing/drafting quality depth.

Sure throwing 3 INT's hurt and guys went down but the Giants have lost more starters in their secondary than KFC has lost total and the Giants found a way to win a game they should have.

Adding one quality QB is not going to give KFC their 1st SB appearance in over 40 years.

broncosteven
09-21-2011, 06:43 PM
You guys are right. It is 2011...and Brokeback Mt is still one of the worst teams in the league.
One of the worst teams in the league making fun of one of the other worst teams in the league. What a concept! Brokeback fans shouldn't throw rocks in glass houses.

Are you talking about Seattle, Indy, Vikings?

KCStud
09-21-2011, 07:08 PM
Matt Cassel isn't wiffing on tackles.

Matt Cassel isn't calling 7 straight runs to start a game.

Matt Cassel isn't missing FG's.

Matt Cassel isn't responsible for signing/drafting quality depth.

Sure throwing 3 INT's hurt and guys went down but the Giants have lost more starters in their secondary than KFC has lost total and the Giants found a way to win a game they should have.

Adding one quality QB is not going to give KFC their 1st SB appearance in over 40 years.

You're right. Players are missing tackles and I think it's from the lockout. Clearly it's hurt us because KC wasn't playing like this last year at all.
That falls on Haley.

Cassel is a bigger problem than you think. He has everything laid out for him to succeed but he can't. Look at the stats from the game.

KC rushed for 151 yards (127 without Charles).
Bowe somehow has over 100 yards receiving.
The OL gives up only 1 sack (the other sack is on Cassel for spending 10 seconds running around the pocket for a hail mary).

So your running game is getting first downs and opening up play-action pass, your OL is protecting you and your WR is making plays for you. What else could a QB want?
All that and Cassel throws 3 picks and can't get first downs. Please tell me how that can be defended.:oyvey:

Broncos4Life
09-21-2011, 07:08 PM
Are you talking about Seattle, Indy, Vikings?

:spit:

DENVERDUI55
09-21-2011, 07:10 PM
Another uninformed "analyst". Uhh
I'm definitely going to save this thread and bump it next month. This is pure comedy.

Have you bumped this yet it's next month? What's your excuse for continually defending that pile of doggy doo doo you got in KC? Looks like this uninformed analyst was spot on about the garbage in KC.

gyldenlove
09-21-2011, 08:07 PM
You're right. Players are missing tackles and I think it's from the lockout. Clearly it's hurt us because KC wasn't playing like this last year at all.
That falls on Haley.

Cassel is a bigger problem than you think. He has everything laid out for him to succeed but he can't. Look at the stats from the game.

KC rushed for 151 yards (127 without Charles).
Bowe somehow has over 100 yards receiving.
The OL gives up only 1 sack (the other sack is on Cassel for spending 10 seconds running around the pocket for a hail mary).

So your running game is getting first downs and opening up play-action pass, your OL is protecting you and your WR is making plays for you. What else could a QB want?
All that and Cassel throws 3 picks and can't get first downs. Please tell me how that can be defended.:oyvey:

He could want a somewhat competent offensive coordinator.

KCStud
09-21-2011, 08:28 PM
He could want a somewhat competent offensive coordinator.

The OC is calling the safest plays possible and Cassel still can't succeed.

broncosteven
09-21-2011, 08:50 PM
You're right. Players are missing tackles and I think it's from the lockout. Clearly it's hurt us because KC wasn't playing like this last year at all.
That falls on Haley.

Cassel is a bigger problem than you think. He has everything laid out for him to succeed but he can't. Look at the stats from the game.

KC rushed for 151 yards (127 without Charles).
Bowe somehow has over 100 yards receiving.
The OL gives up only 1 sack (the other sack is on Cassel for spending 10 seconds running around the pocket for a hail mary).

So your running game is getting first downs and opening up play-action pass, your OL is protecting you and your WR is making plays for you. What else could a QB want?
All that and Cassel throws 3 picks and can't get first downs. Please tell me how that can be defended.:oyvey:

I don't like Cassel either but Albert was busted holding (he is supposed to be your best OL), Weigman is ancient and being pushed around, Lilja is ok but not great and the other 2 are your version of our Walton and Beadles.

Not a stellar OL at all.

You get Breston at WR, you would think with Moiaki(sp?) out they would design at least some slants to him out of the slot just to get Cassel in some sort of rhythm but he has no catches.

Better QB play might lower the # of touches your opposition has but there are still way too many issues on the D side of the ball where you would have been able to win the last 2 games.

Sure the Lions had a point in the late 1st quarter and early 2nd where they kept KFC in the game but Cassel isn't the only problem.

You can't blame the loss on Charles as the reason KFC is sucking either because as you stated they still had 150+ plus yards.

Not letting teams march down on opening drives and get points and getting stops late in the game would go a long way to being competitive.

I think your team looks a lot like Denver did late in the mCd tenure, uninspired and lost.

I hope the devastation continues it is fun to watch!

gyldenlove
09-21-2011, 08:59 PM
The OC is calling the safest plays possible and Cassel still can't succeed.

That is funny because he succeeded much better with a different OC, I don't think Cassel suddenly forgot how to be a QB over the summer....

Bob's your Information Minister
09-21-2011, 09:10 PM
Cassel's fraudulent career is based upon beating up the NFC West and sucking most of the rest of the time.

Look it up.

Bob's your Information Minister
09-21-2011, 09:11 PM
I don't like Cassel either but Albert was busted holding (he is supposed to be your best OL), Weigman is ancient and being pushed around, Lilja is ok but not great and the other 2 are your version of our Walton and Beadles.


This is not even close to true.

Albert is off to a very good start, Wiegmann is playing quite well and not being pushed around at all, and Lilja is one of the top run blocking guards in pro football.

Asamoah is doing pretty well for his only having started three games.

Richardson is **** but if Rodney Hudson steps in at C next year and plays well the KC line is solid.

KCStud
09-21-2011, 09:40 PM
I don't like Cassel either but Albert was busted holding (he is supposed to be your best OL), Weigman is ancient and being pushed around, Lilja is ok but not great and the other 2 are your version of our Walton and Beadles.

Not a stellar OL at all.

You get Breston at WR, you would think with Moiaki(sp?) out they would design at least some slants to him out of the slot just to get Cassel in some sort of rhythm but he has no catches.

Better QB play might lower the # of touches your opposition has but there are still way too many issues on the D side of the ball where you would have been able to win the last 2 games.

Sure the Lions had a point in the late 1st quarter and early 2nd where they kept KFC in the game but Cassel isn't the only problem.

You can't blame the loss on Charles as the reason KFC is sucking either because as you stated they still had 150+ plus yards.

Not letting teams march down on opening drives and get points and getting stops late in the game would go a long way to being competitive.

I think your team looks a lot like Denver did late in the mCd tenure, uninspired and lost.

I hope the devastation continues it is fun to watch!

Beadles is far less talented than Asamoah. Asamoah virtually shut down Suh which is something in it's own. And our best C is a rookie 2nd string that Haley won't play bc he's "loyal" to the veterans.

And the defense gave up an opening TD, but after that they forced the Lions to punt the ball 3 straight times giving the offense plenty of opportunities. And what might you ask does Cassel do with those opportunities? He finishes his last two drives of the half with horrible back-to-back INT's.
The defense breaks in the 2nd half because Cassel can't keep the offense on the field and they're too tired. The defense kept KC in the game the first half.

Matt Cassel is the biggest flaw on the team. Even Rex Grossman would have put a TD or two on the board and that says something.

Pick Six
09-21-2011, 10:28 PM
So your running game is getting first downs and opening up play-action pass, your OL is protecting you and your WR is making plays for you. What else could a QB want?
All that and Cassel throws 3 picks and can't get first downs. Please tell me how that can be defended.:oyvey:

So, no blame goes to the receivers, who can't catch the ball to save their lives? And, it seems to happen at crucial moments (3rd down plays)...

broncosteven
09-21-2011, 10:34 PM
Beadles is far less talented than Asamoah. Asamoah virtually shut down Suh which is something in it's own. And our best C is a rookie 2nd string that Haley won't play bc he's "loyal" to the veterans.


So that is why they suck so much. Fox prefers vets to rook's also but not a the expense of the team.

And the defense gave up an opening TD, but after that they forced the Lions to punt the ball 3 straight times giving the offense plenty of opportunities. And what might you ask does Cassel do with those opportunities? He finishes his last two drives of the half with horrible back-to-back INT's.
The defense breaks in the 2nd half because Cassel can't keep the offense on the field and they're too tired. The defense kept KC in the game the first half.


That is why I posted this "Sure the Lions had a point in the late 1st quarter and early 2nd where they kept KFC in the game but Cassel isn't the only problem." During Cassel's 2 INTs they also had a FG missed which took points off the board.And a D that couldn't make a stop or force a TO.


Matt Cassel is the biggest flaw on the team. Even Rex Grossman would have put a TD or two on the board and that says something.

I think REXMAN would have had trouble throwing the ball to Duane (Dropps) Bowe, Baldwin who is recovering from neck punches over the TC. And being foreced to start games handing off 7 straight times before his 1st pass. It is hard to bring in a slot guy who knows the HC and worked under him only to be denied having the ball thrown his way...

KFC would be better served to run a 3 back triple wing and bring Cassel in to run that newfangled forward pass attacking stuff!

If Cassel had a D that could keep games 3 or 7 to 9 or 13 and they would be right there able to get it done instead they implode and give up.

Rolandftw
09-21-2011, 11:17 PM
Cassel's a terrible come from behind QB. Has he ever won a game when KC got down 10 points or more? I think his timing is just off.. and he's not even using Breaston which is a shame because he's a very good WR in the slot. Baldwin's injury really hurt the Chiefs as well, as there's no doubting the kids talent.

But it's not all of Cassel's fault. Some of it is on the coaching; didn't give him enough reps early on in the preseason when he could have really used them. And the receivers and running game deserve some blame too. Just didn't get enough preseason snaps to build a rapport with some of their new receivers.

All that said, wouldn't surprise me to see KC make a change at QB if they get blown out for the third straight week. Normally, I would say a change would happen after week 5, heading into their bye but you get the strong feeling listening to Haley that Cassel is on the hot seat now.

broncocalijohn
09-22-2011, 12:03 AM
Another uninformed "analyst". Uhh
I'm definitely going to save this thread and bump it next month. This is pure comedy.

why wait?

CEH
09-22-2011, 05:40 AM
You guys are right. It is 2011...and Brokeback Mt is still one of the worst teams in the league.
One of the worst teams in the league making fun of one of the other worst teams in the league. What a concept! Brokeback fans shouldn't throw rocks in glass houses.

We aren't throwing stones. We weren't the ones calling the article idioitc and pure comedy three weeks ago and now have done a complete 180 and now call your own team one of the worst. What it is is realizing we were right the whole time. We have always said Cassell is a fraud and your cupcake schedule will come home to roost.

Everything said by Chief fans in this threead before the season started is completly untrue and laughable at this point.

mwill07
09-22-2011, 09:51 AM
Cassel's fraudulent career is based upon beating up the NFC West and sucking most of the rest of the time.

Look it up.

I'm not sure you want people looking up your opinion of Matt Cassel.

KCStud
09-22-2011, 01:37 PM
We aren't throwing stones. We weren't the ones calling the article idioitc and pure comedy three weeks ago and now have done a complete 180 and now call your own team one of the worst. What it is is realizing we were right the whole time. We have always said Cassell is a fraud and your cupcake schedule will come home to roost.

Everything said by Chief fans in this threead before the season started is completly untrue and laughable at this point.

I could bump threads of the same thing with Bronco fans.;)

Pendejo
09-22-2011, 05:38 PM
I could bump threads of the same thing with Bronco fans.;)

Do it. Those are fun.

broncocalijohn
09-22-2011, 08:22 PM
That is funny because he succeeded much better with a different OC, I don't think Cassel suddenly forgot how to be a QB over the summer....

I don't know. It seems Tebow did.

KCStud
10-24-2011, 09:52 PM
"(Chiefs head coach) Todd Haley knows his team stinks, that he is going to get blamed and it probably is his fault. He definitely has done nothing to help the offense, especially at the receiver position. It's not difficult for anyone to connect the dots. Look at the guys they have brought in (during Haley's tenure) Jerheme Urban, Terrance Copper, Steve Breaston, Bobby Wade they all played for Todd at Arizona, Dallas or Chicago. (Rookie first-round pick Jonathan) Baldwin is already in trouble. You look at the offense as a whole. They have no center; the receivers are not that good; (Tony) Moeaki is hurt again, the right tackle (Barry Richardson) cannot block speed. Subtract Charlie Weis how does the offense get any better? This will be Todd's last year, and I think he knows it."

BUMP LOLROFL!

Breaston has been a very solid number 2 player, Barry Richardson and our so called "no center" have us ranked 7th in rushing and tied for 5th in sacks given up.
Oh and our HC who"knows our team sucks" has brought us back and has us in a position to be in first place without our best player on offense, our best player on defense and receiver with the best hands on the team.

Man this thread is comical.

KCStud
10-24-2011, 09:56 PM
I don't like Cassel either but Albert was busted holding (he is supposed to be your best OL), Weigman is ancient and being pushed around, Lilja is ok but not great and the other 2 are your version of our Walton and Beadles.

Not a stellar OL at all.


The OL has been outstanding this year, even without Waters.
And I think it's time to give Asamoah some credit. He shut down Suh and Seymour and he even scored a TD to boot. He looks like the best G from the 2010 class so far.

Rolandftw
10-24-2011, 10:23 PM
What's even more comical is Chief fans that felt at the beginning of the season they were going to win the division, got blown out twice and felt they were in the running for Andrew Luck, and now are back to thinking KC is a good team.

Talk about kneejerk reactions.

Jetmeck
10-25-2011, 05:23 AM
"(Chiefs head coach) Todd Haley knows his team stinks, that he is going to get blamed and it probably is his fault. He definitely has done nothing to help the offense, especially at the receiver position. It's not difficult for anyone to connect the dots. Look at the guys they have brought in (during Haley's tenure) Jerheme Urban, Terrance Copper, Steve Breaston, Bobby Wade they all played for Todd at Arizona, Dallas or Chicago. (Rookie first-round pick Jonathan) Baldwin is already in trouble. You look at the offense as a whole. They have no center; the receivers are not that good; (Tony) Moeaki is hurt again, the right tackle (Barry Richardson) cannot block speed. Subtract Charlie Weis how does the offense get any better? This will be Todd's last year, and I think he knows it."

BUMP LOLROFL!

Breaston has been a very solid number 2 player, Barry Richardson and our so called "no center" have us ranked 7th in rushing and tied for 5th in sacks given up.
Oh and our HC who"knows our team sucks" has brought us back and has us in a position to be in first place without our best player on offense, our best player on defense and receiver with the best hands on the team.

Man this thread is comical.

The only thing comicaL IS YOU and fans like you.

Take the red colored glasses off.

First two wins against no win teams who now
have a total of 1 win between them.

Last against Raiders was served up by Kyle Boller
and Palmer who had all of 8 hours film study
to get ready.............

Your offense scored ALL OF 7 POINTS THAT GAME.

qUIT YOUR BRAGGIN AND PULL YOUR HEAD OUT.

Kaylore
10-25-2011, 06:51 AM
I say let them talk. The back and forth the Chiefs do is always amusing to me. First they were winning the division hands down (technically, the division sucks so bad they actually could). Then they were in the running for suck for Luck and it was good they were losing. Now Haley will log just enough wins to keep them away from any real answer at QB, an issue they've been trying to address since Montana left in the 90's. I applaud any wins they can get as it will ensure another lifetime of mediocrity and NFL irrelevance. :-*

TheChamp24
10-25-2011, 07:15 AM
Suddenly they beat two **** teams, one of which might not even win a game this season, and then a Raiders team with no QB and suddenly they're world beaters again.
Although, looking at their schedule, good lord. 4 road games out of the first 6? ****ty scheduling.

KCStud
10-25-2011, 03:55 PM
I say let them talk. The back and forth the Chiefs do is always amusing to me. First they were winning the division hands down (technically, the division sucks so bad they actually could). Then they were in the running for suck for Luck and it was good they were losing. Now Haley will log just enough wins to keep them away from any real answer at QB, an issue they've been trying to address since Montana left in the 90's. I applaud any wins they can get as it will ensure another lifetime of mediocrity and NFL irrelevance. :-*

Not all fans are Bob Kaylore. And we wanted Luck because we love our team, but hate Cass-hole.

And I wouldn't talk about addressing the QB situation. You guys are on what your 5th QB and over a decade removed from Elway?

;)

KCStud
10-25-2011, 03:57 PM
What's even more comical is Chief fans that felt at the beginning of the season they were going to win the division, got blown out twice and felt they were in the running for Andrew Luck, and now are back to thinking KC is a good team.

Talk about kneejerk reactions.

You mean like Bronco fans feeling at the beginning of the season they were going to win the division, lose 4 our of 6, wanted to Suck4Luck and now are back to praising Tebow? Now THAT is a true kneejerk reaction ROFL!

KCStud
10-25-2011, 03:59 PM
The only thing comicaL IS YOU and fans like you.

Take the red colored glasses off.

First two wins against no win teams who now
have a total of 1 win between them.

Last against Raiders was served up by Kyle Boller
and Palmer who had all of 8 hours film study
to get ready.............

Your offense scored ALL OF 7 POINTS THAT GAME.

qUIT YOUR BRAGGIN AND PULL YOUR HEAD OUT.

Our offense actually scored 14 points. The 2nd offensive TD was by our DB Arenas out of the Wildcat.

Bob's your Information Minister
10-25-2011, 04:01 PM
Even if the Chiefs are only good at beating bad teams, that's wins against:

Miami
Denver
Denver
Oakland

At the very least left on our schedule.

Throw in a MNF win over the Chargers, which is likely considering we would have beaten them in San Diego if not for a brainfart by Cassel, and one more against the Jets, Steelers or Bears, and you get 9-7, comfortable mediocrity and an offseason of "Hey, at least we're not Denver."

Suck me, sideways!

GreatBronco16
10-25-2011, 05:05 PM
Our offense actually scored 14 points. The 2nd offensive TD was by our DB Arenas out of the Wildcat.

Superbowl her yall come.