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vonqkilla
08-27-2011, 07:13 PM
I dont wanna jinx this kid, but he is sooo good. And yet raw as a lb.

I am excited to watch our defense again, for first time in a long time.

Great pick EFX!

Bronco Boy
08-27-2011, 07:15 PM
It's early, but he sure seems like the real deal. Nice guy too.

vonqkilla
08-27-2011, 07:26 PM
Who else! F yeah!

Dr. Broncenstein
08-27-2011, 07:28 PM
Home run draft pick. Straight up knocked that b!tch out of the stadium.

That One Guy
08-27-2011, 07:34 PM
So... did he... uh... like... do something good?

Pontius Pirate
08-27-2011, 07:35 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_l2VT7bYUEaY/TMDQO-Qv8dI/AAAAAAAAJyA/UR8jxfzB-ag/s1600/OMAR-COMIN-YO.jpg

Boobs McGee
08-27-2011, 07:36 PM
praise praise praise!

Broncoman13
08-27-2011, 07:36 PM
Doom and BOOOOOOOM!!!!

epicSocialism4tw
08-27-2011, 07:42 PM
Best pick since Elway.

Steve Sewell
08-27-2011, 07:45 PM
For a guy his size, he is absolutely dominating their RT and pushing him back into the QB. The kid has it all.

vonqkilla
08-27-2011, 07:49 PM
Wow

Man-Goblin
08-27-2011, 07:50 PM
Von Miller is like a video game out there, people. Holy ****.

KipCorrington25
08-27-2011, 07:56 PM
I'm nervous about getting too excited but wow, he looks like a man amoungst boys out there...

Punisher
08-27-2011, 08:01 PM
I said it once and i say it again make Von Miller Captain

http://orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=3253448#post3253448

OBF1
08-27-2011, 08:03 PM
But, but, but............ What about Dareus???

Von is having 1 hell of a preseason

WABronco
08-27-2011, 08:03 PM
I want his dong on a platter.

Man-Goblin
08-27-2011, 08:10 PM
I want his dong on a platter.

Audjfidbsjishdhdj

broncswin
08-27-2011, 08:17 PM
ya...........WWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW WWWWWW

DBroncos4life
08-27-2011, 08:19 PM
I thought so much of him I drafted the Broncos D :)

randomtask
08-27-2011, 08:27 PM
He's pretty boss.

Finger Roll
08-27-2011, 08:27 PM
He's the guy I wanted to draft all along. Amazing acceleration. I couldn't believe people wanted Dareus and Peterson over him

razorwire77
08-27-2011, 08:36 PM
Fap. Fap. Fap FAP FAAAAAP FAAAAAAP FAAAAAAP FAAAAAAAAAAAP!!!!

So far he's demonstrated a great speed rush, a dominating bull rush where he did some sort of Jumpy Geathers fork lift variation, an effective swim with both hands, and a perfect form tackle, that was the best of the night.

Yeah, I'd say he's been pretty good.

Popps
08-27-2011, 08:55 PM
I wonder if we could trade him for Patrick Peterson? :)

I've been waiting so ####ing long for this... a true, dominant pass-rush duo back in Denver.

I love it. Even if this season is a moderate fail, we'll still get to watch our front 7 abusing QBs all season long, hopefully.

Man-Goblin
08-27-2011, 09:04 PM
Fap. Fap. Fap FAP FAAAAAP FAAAAAAP FAAAAAAP FAAAAAAAAAAAP!!!!

This.

vonqkilla
08-27-2011, 09:08 PM
If we can hold the line on first down with all the injuries up front and to our leading tackler the will backer DJ. If im gameplanning, we are pounding the rock vs the broncos.

But passing downs belong to us, dbs can press to because the heat is coming. And with just 4 coming.

Von Doom!

Eldorado
08-27-2011, 09:08 PM
Looking forward to 3rd and long this year.

epicSocialism4tw
08-27-2011, 09:30 PM
Von Miller is already the best pass rushing OLB in the NFL. He'll win rookie of the year and make the pro bowl.

You heard it here first.

Dr. Broncenstein
08-27-2011, 09:31 PM
Von Miller is already the best pass rushing OLB in the NFL. He'll win rookie of the year and make the pro bowl.

You heard it here first.

You're really hanging out there on a limb.

epicSocialism4tw
08-27-2011, 09:35 PM
You're really hanging out there on a limb.

I have seen this guy play for 3 years. What he was doing at A&M has translated to the NFL against 3 NFL first teams in the preseason. He's going to be the best pass rusher in the NFL by year 3.

It was pretty funny listening to goobers talk about how this guy should be passed over for Patrick Peterson because he was a "senior bowl wonder" or whatever. He was a stud over his entire collegiate career.

Steve Sewell
08-27-2011, 09:40 PM
Hmm I'd like to see him and the rest of the D against competent offenses (i.e. not the Bills/Seahags) in the regular season before making any prognostications about his status amongst other elite pass rushers in the NFL.

Bronco Boy
08-27-2011, 09:44 PM
The one thing about Von is he really struggles with Run D. It's almost like once he sees it's a run he just gives up.

theAPAOps5
08-27-2011, 09:46 PM
The one thing about Von is he really struggles with Run D. It's almost like once he sees it's a run he just gives up.

HA what game were you watching! May not be polished but he blew up several run plays!

vonqkilla
08-27-2011, 09:48 PM
The one thing about Von is he really struggles with Run D. It's almost like once he sees it's a run he just gives up.



Yeah, he just quits on run plays...

Pfff

epicSocialism4tw
08-27-2011, 09:49 PM
Hmm I'd like to see him and the rest of the D against competent offenses (i.e. not the Bills/Seahags) in the regular season before making any prognostications about his status amongst other elite pass rushers in the NFL.

I understand.

But the thing about Von is that he is so fluid and natural at speeds that are unusual. He turns the corner in a flash. Thats his natural gifting. He just does that like he's running in a straight line. That ability has translated to the point that he's been relatively unstoppable in his first three games. I could tell at the Cowboys game that he was playing at a different speed than everyone else in his first NFL minutes. That's something that he doesn't have to learn...he just does it and its good for a few hurries and a sack per game.

When he gets the rest of his assignments down, he's going to be one of the best defensive players in the NFL.

epicSocialism4tw
08-27-2011, 09:49 PM
The one thing about Von is he really struggles with Run D. It's almost like once he sees it's a run he just gives up.

LOL

theAPAOps5
08-27-2011, 09:50 PM
Yeah, he just quits on run plays...

Pfff

Exactly, just ignore where he hits the runner and drives him 5 yards in the backfield. He had really quit that play. :spit:

Bronco Boy
08-27-2011, 09:51 PM
Yeah, he just quits on run plays...

Pfff

That's not what I said. I certainly hope he'll get better, but maybe its the fact that he's too small to be a true DE and too good of a pass rusher to be a true LB. When they line him up as a DE and it's a run play, he gets owned nearly every time. From what I've seen anyway.

epicSocialism4tw
08-27-2011, 09:52 PM
Exactly, just ignore where he hits the runner and drives him 5 yards in the backfield. He had really quit that play. :spit:

That was awesome. I saw that and I was thinking "was that Mays?" only to see Von get up. BOOM!

He also had a couple of tackles on the other side of the field.

He did overpursue on a screen play, but he'll learn to contain before blowing the guy up.

Bronco Boy
08-27-2011, 09:53 PM
Exactly, just ignore where he hits the runner and drives him 5 yards in the backfield. He had really quit that play. :spit:

One play does not a king make. Have you seen Boss Bailey's highlight reel?

theAPAOps5
08-27-2011, 09:54 PM
One play does not a king make. Have you seen Boss Bailey's highlight reel?

Dude you just called Miller a DE. Just shut up and stop. You clearly do not even know you are watching out there.

That's not what I said. I certainly hope he'll get better, but maybe its the fact that he's too small to be a true DE and too good of a pass rusher to be a true LB. When they line him up as a DE and it's a run play, he gets owned nearly every time. From what I've seen anyway.

Maybe he is too small to play DE because he ISN'T one. Hilarious! He isn't lined up at DE and being too good a pass rusher is never a bad thing for LB. He lines up on the line of scrimmage next to a DE.

epicSocialism4tw
08-27-2011, 09:54 PM
One play does not a king make. Have you seen Boss Bailey's highlight reel?

I would say that the 2 sacks and the 4 hurries are what makes a king.

randomtask
08-27-2011, 09:56 PM
That's not what I said. I certainly hope he'll get better, but maybe its the fact that he's too small to be a true DE and too good of a pass rusher to be a true LB. When they line him up as a DE and it's a run play, he gets owned nearly every time. From what I've seen anyway.

Did you see the the first plays of the third quarter? Miller made back to back authoritative run stuffs.

broncofan4life
08-27-2011, 09:56 PM
lighting fast one play got off the ball late and still beat the RT! and trying to block him with a TE is a joke I'm super hyped

DBroncos4life
08-27-2011, 09:57 PM
I have seen this guy play for 3 years. What he was doing at A&M has translated to the NFL against 3 NFL first teams in the preseason. He's going to be the best pass rusher in the NFL by year 3.

It was pretty funny listening to goobers talk about how this guy should be passed over for Patrick Peterson because he was a "senior bowl wonder" or whatever. He was a stud over his entire collegiate career.

Peterson was pretty damn good his whole college career as well.

epicSocialism4tw
08-27-2011, 09:59 PM
Peterson was pretty damn good his whole college career as well.

Sure, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make. People discounted Miller because they hadn't heard of him before the senior bowl. They didn't understand that he had been consistently dominant, so they advocated the guy with alot of hype and a cool youtube highlight video who they had heard of, even though he played a position that we really didn't need to draft for.

Its a good thing our draft guys did their research this time around.

Bronco Boy
08-27-2011, 10:00 PM
Dude you just called Miller a DE. Just shut up and stop. You clearly do not even know you are watching out there.



Maybe he is too small to play DE because he ISN'T one. Hilarious! He isn't lined up at DE and being too good a pass rusher is never a bad thing for LB. He lines up on the line of scrimmage next to a DE.

Not true. They've had him all over the field in PS, including at DE and as you said sometimes they line him up on the line next to a DE.

DBroncos4life
08-27-2011, 10:01 PM
Sure, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make. People discounted Miller because they hadn't heard of him before the senior bowl. They didn't understand that he had been consistently dominant, so they advocated the guy with alot of hype and a cool youtube highlight video.

Its a good thing our draft guys did their research this time around.

I've seen him play. I'm not shocked at all.

OrangeSe7en
08-27-2011, 10:02 PM
HA what game were you watching! May not be polished but he blew up several run plays!

He's repeating what MUG said.

theAPAOps5
08-27-2011, 10:02 PM
Not true. They've had him all over the field in PS, including at DE and as you said sometimes they line him up on the line next to a DE.

Sure thing buddy... Hilarious!

Miller is far from crappy in run D. Again he has stuff to work on but he is far from crappy.

Thanks for the good laugh though.

epicSocialism4tw
08-27-2011, 10:03 PM
I've seen him play. I'm not shocked at all.

I became a fan of his in his first season. I'm a Sooners fan and he gave us a hard time every time he played us, so I started watching A&M when they were on locally. The dude had to be accounted for at all times and helped make A&M competitive against teams they had no business being competitive against given the talent disparity.

hookemhess
08-27-2011, 10:05 PM
Best pick since Elway.

This isn't a premature proclamation at all.

Bronco Boy
08-27-2011, 10:05 PM
Sure thing buddy... Hilarious!

Miller is far from crappy in run D. Again he has stuff to work on but he is far from crappy.

Thanks for the good laugh though.

Who said he was crappy? It sounds like you agree with me.

epicSocialism4tw
08-27-2011, 10:06 PM
This isn't a premature proclamation at all.

Well, I just realized that technically we didn't draft Elway...so...best pick EVAR? Ha!

OrangeSe7en
08-27-2011, 10:06 PM
I understand.

But the thing about Von is that he is so fluid and natural at speeds that are unusual. He turns the corner in a flash. Thats his natural gifting. He just does that like he's running in a straight line. That ability has translated to the point that he's been relatively unstoppable in his first three games. I could tell at the Cowboys game that he was playing at a different speed than everyone else in his first NFL minutes. That's something that he doesn't have to learn...he just does it and its good for a few hurries and a sack per game.

When he gets the rest of his assignments down, he's going to be one of the best defensive players in the NFL.

We might have the two most explosive pass rushers in the NFL. Sometimes its hard to tell which is Doom and which is Von. It's like theyre competing with each other and raise each others game. It's also helpful that it's now hard to double team both.

Their closing speed and body lean while functioning at a very high speed is amazing.

Today, Miller actually got a sack from an inside move. This was one of that MUG guys big criticisms of him.

OrangeSe7en
08-27-2011, 10:07 PM
Well, I just realized that technically we didn't draft Elway...so...best pick EVAR? Ha!

Well, TD was a 6th round pick and Doom was a 4th round pick. Hillis was a 7th round pick. Miller should be good at #2 overall. Im just a little relieved he's not another Mike Croel.

epicSocialism4tw
08-27-2011, 10:07 PM
We might have the two most explosive pass rushers in the NFL. Sometimes its hard to tell which is Doom and which is Von. It's like theyre competing with each other and raise each others game. It's also helpful that it's now hard to double team both.

Their closing speed and body lean while functioning at a very high speed is amazing.

Today, Miller actually got a sack from an inside move. This was one of that MUG guys big criticisms of him.

He has inside moves. He'll spin, and he'll fake an outside rush and bounce it inside. He was very effective with that one in college.

theAPAOps5
08-27-2011, 10:09 PM
Who said he was crappy? It sounds like you agree with me.

Oh my bad. You didn't say crappy, you said struggles and gives up. Struggles is a huge reach and gives up is so wrong it is comical.

Every rookie has work to do. But he isn't struggling for where he is at in his NFL career and he for damn sure doesn't give up. My bad for insinuating that you said he was crappy though.

OrangeSe7en
08-27-2011, 10:10 PM
He has inside moves. He'll spin, and he'll fake an outside rush and bounce it inside. He was very effective with that one in college.

I was referring to what the MUG guy was saying. Miller stepped it up in the run game and also went inside this time.

The thing is, he was going against a rookie at RT but truthfully, Im not sure it would have mattered. His playing speed is just incredible when he's going after the QB.

enjolras
08-27-2011, 10:10 PM
HA what game were you watching! May not be polished but he blew up several run plays!

Yep... on one play early in the game he literally ran across the entire field to get in on a gang tackle. It's one of those plays you don't see on TV.

epicSocialism4tw
08-27-2011, 10:13 PM
Yep... on one play early in the game he literally ran across the entire field to get in on a gang tackle. It's one of those plays you don't see on TV.

He eats up space in a flash.

I'd love to see a neurological analysis on what kind of calculus is taking place in the posterior parietal lobe when a guy that quick is internally calculating angles.

Bronco Boy
08-27-2011, 10:15 PM
Oh my bad. You didn't say crappy, you said struggles and gives up. Struggles is a huge reach and gives up is so wrong it is comical.

Every rookie has work to do. But he isn't struggling for where he is at in his NFL career and he for damn sure doesn't give up. My bad for insinuating that you said he was crappy though.

So you said he has work to do. Please, enlighten us, what are his weaknesses or what does he need work on? According to you run D is not one of the things he needs work on or struggles with.

DBroncos4life
08-27-2011, 10:23 PM
He's repeating what MUG said.

I bet MUG is pissed.

OrangeSe7en
08-27-2011, 10:25 PM
I bet MUG is pissed.

I dont have a problem with what MUG said. It's possible that he was being fair about last week. I just hope MUG is big enough to give Von Miller credit this week for assuaging some of his criticisms from the previous week.

theAPAOps5
08-27-2011, 10:30 PM
So you said he has work to do. Please, enlighten us, what are his weaknesses or what does he need work on? According to you run D is not one of the things he needs work on or struggles with.

Don't try to take the spotlight off yourself for making a hilarious and asinine statement. He is a rookie, he can work on every aspect of his game. He relies on speed right now and he is scary fast so I don't blame him. He will learn to use other moves on the pass rush and will learn to be patient as the play progresses. He is good already and will only get better.

But I would say quitting on run plays is the least of the items he could work on.

epicSocialism4tw
08-27-2011, 10:35 PM
I dont have a problem with what MUG said. It's possible that he was being fair about last week. I just hope MUG is big enough to give Von Miller credit this week for assuaging some of his criticisms from the previous week.

Miller's performance shouldn't assuage anyone. It should be convincing to anyone with a reasonable perspective.

Dude is a rookie and in his first game with extended minutes, he gets 2 sacks and 4 QB hurries to go with a few tackles and assists.

Miller was dominant.

Finger Roll
08-27-2011, 10:38 PM
I was referring to what the MUG guy was saying. Miller stepped it up in the run game and also went inside this time.

The thing is, he was going against a rookie at RT but truthfully, Im not sure it would have mattered. His playing speed is just incredible when he's going after the QB.

MUG sounds like a retard

OrangeSe7en
08-27-2011, 10:46 PM
MUG sounds like a retard

I'd encourage you to check out the thread about him. He did a play by play break down. I thought he did a good job with what he did. I don't have a problem with him pointing out some shortcomings if he's being fair. Miller was amazing tonight though. And he definitely improved on some of the things MUG criticized.

Bronco Boy
08-27-2011, 10:49 PM
Don't try to take the spotlight off yourself for making a hilarious and asinine statement. He is a rookie, he can work on every aspect of his game. He relies on speed right now and he is scary fast so I don't blame him. He will learn to use other moves on the pass rush and will learn to be patient as the play progresses. He is good already and will only get better.

But I would say quitting on run plays is the least of the items he could work on.

Have you gone back and watched the games a second (maybe first) time? Considering you said Von doesn't line up at DE it sounds like you haven't been watching. Can you go back and watch and then let us know what you think Von's strengths and weaknesses are? Thanks!

OrangeSe7en
08-27-2011, 10:51 PM
Have you gone back and watched the games a second (maybe first) time? Considering you said Von doesn't line up at DE it sounds like you haven't been watching. Can you go back and watch and then let us know what you think Von's strengths and weaknesses are? Thanks!

DE isn't his primary position. Im pretty sure that's where he was coming from.

Finger Roll
08-27-2011, 10:53 PM
I'd encourage you to check out the thread about him. He did a play by play break down. I thought he did a good job with what he did. I don't have a problem with him pointing out some shortcomings if he's being fair. Miller was amazing tonight though. And he definitely improved on some of the things MUG criticized.

Von Miller played 3 quarters of footaball before today and he was trashing his play. Could it be he was getting used to the speed of the game?

Bronco Boy
08-27-2011, 10:54 PM
He isn't lined up at DE



Quoted for truth.

OrangeSe7en
08-27-2011, 10:57 PM
Von Miller played 3 quarters of footaball before today and he was trashing his play. Could it be he was getting used to the speed of the game?

Im not saying you're wrong. I also wouldnt say he was trashing Miller either. At least I didn't think so.

Finger Roll
08-27-2011, 10:58 PM
He said that he looked terrible in the first 2 games.

epicSocialism4tw
08-27-2011, 11:01 PM
He said that he looked terrible in the first 2 games.

Yeah, that pretty much locks it up that whoever MUG is is pretty much clueless, but I appreciate the play-by-play attempt.

OrangeSe7en
08-27-2011, 11:03 PM
He said that he looked terrible in the first 2 games.

I dont remember that. I remember him saying he overrelies on his outside speed rush and that he avoids contact. Tonight he got a sack on an inside move (although against a rookie RT) and he was also more active against the run. Still though, I almost dont want him to engage blockers. He's 240 lbs and a rookie.

Im willing to cut him slack for some of the criticisms. Ultimately, getting to the QB can make up for a lot of shortcomings.

Chris
08-27-2011, 11:03 PM
He eats up space in a flash.

I'd love to see a neurological analysis on what kind of calculus is taking place in the posterior parietal lobe when a guy that quick is internally calculating angles.

medula oblongata ha baba?

epicSocialism4tw
08-27-2011, 11:06 PM
medula oblongata ha baba?

http://i55.tinypic.com/w1da4k.jpg

Finger Roll
08-27-2011, 11:06 PM
You're talking about the same MUG that posts in Denverbroncos.com forum? Check out his recent comments in the Marcel Dareus thread.

Chris
08-27-2011, 11:08 PM
Miller was awesome tonight. I have to say let's wait and see because we haven't faced any top tier lines (not sure where the cowboys face) and the RT tonight was a backup on an already poor OL.

Finger Roll
08-27-2011, 11:11 PM
I dont remember that. I remember him saying he overrelies on his outside speed rush and that he avoids contact. Tonight he got a sack on an inside move (although against a rookie RT) and he was also more active against the run. Still though, I almost dont want him to engage blockers. He's 240 lbs and a rookie.

Im willing to cut him slack for some of the criticisms. Ultimately, getting to the QB can make up for a lot of shortcomings.

Here is a quote from this MUG guy

Originally Posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan
Terrible. Put on the tape, do some research.

If Miller plays great, or average, or anywhere else, I'll report that. It's all on tape, it's all documented. You don't know what you're talking about, you've done zero work on this. You parrot some "guy" off whatever media outlet you heard. Do you think they broke down the tape on Von Miller? They saw one sack against the worst LT in the NFL (Demetrius Bell, whom was demoted after the game), and they think Miller had a good game.

Again, assuming you have a brain and eyes, buy the preseason deal off nfl.com and watch for yourself. He's been terrible through two games. It may be three after tonight. Regardless, bet your ass I'll report the truth however he plays.

OrangeSe7en
08-27-2011, 11:15 PM
Here is a quote from this MUG guy

Originally Posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan
Terrible. Put on the tape, do some research.

If Miller plays great, or average, or anywhere else, I'll report that. It's all on tape, it's all documented. You don't know what you're talking about, you've done zero work on this. You parrot some "guy" off whatever media outlet you heard. Do you think they broke down the tape on Von Miller? They saw one sack against the worst LT in the NFL (Demetrius Bell, whom was demoted after the game), and they think Miller had a good game.

Again, assuming you have a brain and eyes, buy the preseason deal off nfl.com and watch for yourself. He's been terrible through two games. It may be three after tonight. Regardless, bet your ass I'll report the truth however he plays.

Yeah, I dont agree with all of it. Its fair to point out that Bell may not be very good and it's also fair to point out that Carpenter (the guy he went against tonight) is a rookie. I just think the speed is apparent and there may be some games where he struggles but it also seems like there are a lot of games where Miller has a big impact. At least thats what I hope. I don't agree with everything MUG says but it also doesnt bother me. Some of its fair.

TomServo
08-27-2011, 11:25 PM
so THIS is what it looks like when grown up competent men run the draft board? its been a long two years since we've had that. a high no.1 pick that actually looks like a no. 1 pick.

epicSocialism4tw
08-27-2011, 11:28 PM
Here is a quote from this MUG guy

Originally Posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan
Terrible. Put on the tape, do some research.

If Miller plays great, or average, or anywhere else, I'll report that. It's all on tape, it's all documented. You don't know what you're talking about, you've done zero work on this. You parrot some "guy" off whatever media outlet you heard. Do you think they broke down the tape on Von Miller? They saw one sack against the worst LT in the NFL (Demetrius Bell, whom was demoted after the game), and they think Miller had a good game.

Again, assuming you have a brain and eyes, buy the preseason deal off nfl.com and watch for yourself. He's been terrible through two games. It may be three after tonight. Regardless, bet your ass I'll report the truth however he plays.

It seems like dude wants to give excuses for everyone except for our rookie Von Miller.

Its strange how easily people give away their biases.

Von has three sacks in three games (or about one games worth of reps). It is what it is. Scoreboard.

Play2win
08-27-2011, 11:47 PM
so THIS is what it looks like when grown up competent men run the draft board? its been a long two years since we've had that. a high no.1 pick that actually looks like a no. 1 pick.

This might be a better draft than we have had in over 10 years, when all is said and done.

I thought the year we got Al Wilson was a great draft. I can't remember anyone else we got in that draft, but it was an awesome draft, because, DUH, we got Al Wilson!!

OrangeSe7en
08-27-2011, 11:49 PM
This might be a better draft than we have had in over 10 years, when all is said and done.

I thought the year we got Al Wilson was a great draft. I can't remember anyone else we got in that draft, but it was an awesome draft, because, DUH, we got Al Wilson!!

Goodman had some awesome drafts. But youre right about it being a nice draft...at least it would seem that way.

enjolras
08-27-2011, 11:53 PM
4 first team players in the draft (I'm counting Orange Julius here)... and I still think we'll see Nate Irving work his way into the rotation as he gets more acclimated to the game.

TomServo
08-27-2011, 11:58 PM
all my point is, after all of Mcd's hopping and bopping all over the board the last two years, and getting an average and i mean average RB for the 12th overall pick his first try. this #1 pick actually looks to be worth a high #1 pick.
#1 picks really need to contribute their first year these days. so far. knowshon, alphonso, tebow,who else? arent helping the team right now.

Finger Roll
08-27-2011, 11:58 PM
Looks like a great rookie class. It's hard to tell if Rahim Moore is playing well because the other QB doesn't have time to throw down field.

epicSocialism4tw
08-27-2011, 11:58 PM
Goodman had some awesome drafts. But youre right about it being a nice draft...at least it would seem that way.

Julius Thomas is already a standout. He's essentially the teams 1st choice receiving TE already.

Von Miller, Orlando Franklin, Rahim Moore...Virgil Green hasn't been bad...

This draft could be a cornerstone draft. Add it to Tebow, Beadles, Walton, Demaryius, and Decker from last year, Clady, Kuper, and Royal from Shanny and you have a pretty good core to build on.

Quoydogs
08-28-2011, 12:00 AM
It's hard to tell if Rahim Moore is playing well because the other QB doesn't have time to throw down field.

This is a good thing. :strong:

Finger Roll
08-28-2011, 12:02 AM
all my point is, after all of Mcd's hopping and bopping all over the board the last two years, and getting an average and i mean average RB for the 12th overall pick his first try. this #1 pick actually looks to be worth a high #1 pick.
#1 picks really need to contribute their first year these days. so far. knowshon, alphonso, tebow,who else? arent helping the team right now.

He always went full retard come draft day. But the players he drafted had very poor coaching which stunted their growth.

HAT
08-28-2011, 12:04 AM
#1 picks really need to contribute their first year these days. so far. knowshon, alphonso, tebow,who else? arent helping the team right now.



I'm just curious if you have any other examples of first round picks who scored 11 TD's but didn't help their team?

epicSocialism4tw
08-28-2011, 12:05 AM
all my point is, after all of Mcd's hopping and bopping all over the board the last two years, and getting an average and i mean average RB for the 12th overall pick his first try. this #1 pick actually looks to be worth a high #1 pick.
#1 picks really need to contribute their first year these days. so far. knowshon, alphonso, tebow,who else? arent helping the team right now.

They need to contribute in Denver.

In places like Pittsburgh, Baltimore, New England, Indy, etc, they can be slowly worked in and you don't notice their mistakes because the rest of the team is so good.

Bronco Boy
08-28-2011, 12:07 AM
I just watched the replay. Focused only on run plays involving Miller:

2nd play of SEA's first drive, run right at Miller, and he pretty much just stands there watching.

1st play of SEA's second drive, Miller (lined up at LB) over-pursues and gets caught. Bailed out by Joe Mays.

2nd play of SEA's fourth drive, Miller thinks its a run (but it's actually a pass), over-pursues and gets caught.

1st play of SEA's seventh drive, Miller gets blocked, sees its a run and just hangs out. This is one of those plays that makes it SEEM like he's giving up because it's not a pass.

1st play of SEA's eight drive, great run D by Miller, kills the RB. Miller lined up at LB.

2nd play of SEA's eight drive, Miller lined up as a LB pretty far away from the play. Run to the weak side. Miller gets over REALLY fast to make the tackle. Great play, should have been more than the 5 yard run that it was.

So in this game (as in others) it looks to me like miller is a stud at everything on the field if he's not blocked. But once he is engaged with a blocker, everything shuts down. He just doesn't have the strength to do anything when engaged with lineman. He relies only on speed to the outside, and once the lineman figures that out, he tries an inside move. There are other great DE's with this same problem though, like Freeney.

All that being said, Von is really awesome at rushing the passer. His inside move sack was baller (albeit against a rookie RT). He might have the fastest first step of any pass rusher in the league.

epicSocialism4tw
08-28-2011, 12:09 AM
I just watched the replay. Focused only on run plays involving Miller:

2nd play of SEA's first drive, run right at Miller, and he pretty much just stands there watching.

1st play of SEA's second drive, Miller (lined up at LB) over-pursues and gets caught. Bailed out by Joe Mays.

2nd play of SEA's fourth drive, Miller thinks its a run (but it's actually a pass), over-pursues and gets caught.

1st play of SEA's seventh drive, Miller gets blocked, sees its a run and just hangs out. This is one of those plays that makes it SEEM like he's giving up because it's not a pass.

1st play of SEA's eight drive, great run D by Miller, kills the RB. Miller lined up at LB.

2nd play of SEA's eight drive, Miller lined up as a LB pretty far away from the play. Run to the weak side. Miller gets over REALLY fast to make the tackle. Great play, should have been more than the 5 yard run that it was.

So in this game (as in others) it looks to me like miller is a stud at everything on the field if he's not blocked. But once he is engaged with a blocker, everything shuts down. He just doesn't have the strength to do anything when engaged with lineman. He relies only on speed to the outside, and once the lineman figures that out, he tries an inside move. There are other great DE's with this same problem though, like Freeney.

All that being said, Von is really awesome at rushing the passer. His inside move sack was baller (albeit against a rookie RT). He might have the fastest first step of any pass rusher in the league.

Von Miller is a rookie.

Bronco Boy
08-28-2011, 12:10 AM
Von Miller is a rookie.

Agreed.

TomServo
08-28-2011, 12:17 AM
In places like Pittsburgh, Baltimore, New England, Indy, etc, they can be slowly worked in and you don't notice their mistakes because the rest of the team is so good

even in places like pittsburgh NE etc the #1 pick cant be average like knowshon. #12 in the entire draft should really be an impact player mmm like v miller?

Finger Roll
08-28-2011, 12:22 AM
I just watched the replay. Focused only on run plays involving Miller:

2nd play of SEA's first drive, run right at Miller, and he pretty much just stands there watching.

1st play of SEA's second drive, Miller (lined up at LB) over-pursues and gets caught. Bailed out by Joe Mays.

2nd play of SEA's fourth drive, Miller thinks its a run (but it's actually a pass), over-pursues and gets caught.

1st play of SEA's seventh drive, Miller gets blocked, sees its a run and just hangs out. This is one of those plays that makes it SEEM like he's giving up because it's not a pass.

1st play of SEA's eight drive, great run D by Miller, kills the RB. Miller lined up at LB.



2nd play of SEA's eight drive, Miller lined up as a LB pretty far away from the play. Run to the weak side. Miller gets over REALLY fast to make the tackle. Great play, should have been more than the 5 yard run that it was.

So in this game (as in others) it looks to me like miller is a stud at everything on the field if he's not blocked. But once he is engaged with a blocker, everything shuts down. He just doesn't have the strength to do anything when engaged with lineman. He relies only on speed to the outside, and once the lineman figures that out, he tries an inside move. There are other great DE's with this same problem though, like Freeney.

All that being said, Von is really awesome at rushing the passer. His inside move sack was baller (albeit against a rookie RT). He might have the fastest first step of any pass rusher in the league.

Didn't he push the RT back 5 yards?

Bronco Boy
08-28-2011, 12:24 AM
Didn't he push the RT back 5 yards?

Which specific play are you talking about? Drive # and play # please. He does seem to push tackles back on pass plays, but only because they see his speed and attempt to push him to the outside. Not run plays though.

Finger Roll
08-28-2011, 12:30 AM
He may not be great against the inside run but he'll have his fair share of stuffs since he's in the backfield half the time. Plus his coverage skills have a chance to be something special too because of his speed and athletic ability.

DivineBronco
08-28-2011, 12:35 AM
some of you like me are turned off by anything EpicLlama has to say....as he is the OM equivalent of Tarvaris Jackson but look beyond all the words he throws up here. Von Miller really is that special

SonOfLe-loLang
08-28-2011, 12:36 AM
Which specific play are you talking about? Drive # and play # please. He does seem to push tackles back on pass plays, but only because they see his speed and attempt to push him to the outside. Not run plays though.

Youre really nitpicking considering he hasnt even played a regular season game. He was brought here to rush the passer and so far, my god, is he ever. The Bills and Seahawks barely moved the ball. He's a huge reason why.

Bronco Boy
08-28-2011, 12:40 AM
Youre really nitpicking considering he hasnt even played a regular season game. He was brought here to rush the passer and so far, my god, is he ever. The Bills and Seahawks barely moved the ball. He's a huge reason why.

I have fully admitted that he's an awesome pass rusher (especially for a rook). How is it different that I'm criticizing his PS performance than some of you crowning him when he's going against Bills and Seahawks tackles in preseason?

TomServo
08-28-2011, 12:57 AM
I have fully admitted that he's an awesome pass rusher (especially for a rook). How is it different that I'm criticizing his PS performance than some of you crowning him when he's going against Bills and Seahawks tackles in preseason?

because he's whupping other first stringers who want that first string status not to mention they want "first string" and $ on their NFL resume.

Bronco Boy
08-28-2011, 01:02 AM
because he's whupping other first stringers who want that first string status not to mention they want "first string" and $ on their NFL resume.

Which run plays are you talking about specifically? Drive # and play # please.

TomServo
08-28-2011, 01:12 AM
Which run plays are you talking about specifically? Drive # and play # please.

just watch the replay game. my point is..... he's not a waste of a #1 like knowshon.
our last fearless leaders #1 pick

Bronco Boy
08-28-2011, 01:16 AM
just watch the replay game. my point is..... he's not a waste of a #1 like knowshon.
our last fearless leaders #1 pick

I have watched the replay. I never said he was a waste of a pick. Give a drive # and play # please as to your previous point.

TomServo
08-28-2011, 01:27 AM
my point is..... v miller looks to to be our best no.1 pick since..? the goodmans days. Miles better than Knosho

TomServo
08-28-2011, 01:28 AM
you are SO missing my point. @ #1 pics

Bronco Boy
08-28-2011, 01:30 AM
my point is..... v miller looks to to be our best no.1 pick since..? the goodmans days. Miles better than Knosho

I don't know that that was ever under dispute (although it's certainly too soon to proclaim). You would expect a #2 pick to be better than all the other first round picks we've had, wouldn't you?

TomServo
08-28-2011, 01:31 AM
only 32 players get to be #1 picks. 32! and mcd fudged up that rare pick two years in a Row. TWO years to fudge up a football club

TomServo
08-28-2011, 01:32 AM
and fox got it right. SO right his first draft

Bronco Boy
08-28-2011, 01:37 AM
only 32 players get to be #1 picks. 32! and mcd fudged up that rare pick two years in a Row. TWO years to fudge up a football club

So you're saying that the #2 pick has just as much a chance to succeed in the NFL as the #32 pick? Or, what are you saying exactly? No one made a McD argument til you brought it up buddy. What "rare pick" are you talking about anyway?

TomServo
08-28-2011, 01:42 AM
Mcd will be famous-infamous for his stupudity arrogance- proud that he is THE Worst headcoach in the history of the NFL?,

Bronco Boy
08-28-2011, 01:44 AM
Mcd will be famous-infamous for his stupudity arrogance- proud that he is THE Worst headcoach in the history of the NFL?,

AGAIN, no one brought up McD til you did. Get back on subject please.

Shananahan
08-28-2011, 01:47 AM
Abort thread.

Doggcow
08-28-2011, 02:01 AM
Man. Our pass rush is something of beauty.

Like Sanders said on NFLN on Draft day: "All I gotta say about Miller and Dumervil if you're an offense? Problems."

Doggcow
08-28-2011, 02:12 AM
THREAD NEEDS MORE

http://images.pictureshunt.com/pics/h/ham-5887.jpg

Doggcow
08-28-2011, 02:14 AM
just watch the replay game. my point is..... he's not a waste of a #1 like knowshon.
our last fearless leaders #1 pick

I wouldnt say Knowshon is a waste just yet.

He was running hard today for sure. If he can stay healthy, he could be really solid for us.

TomServo
08-28-2011, 02:25 AM
i have nothing against knowshon except that he was never never a no.1 pick

TomServo
08-28-2011, 02:26 AM
K Moreno just has NO passing gear as far as i have seen in two years

Drek
08-28-2011, 03:42 AM
K Moreno just has NO passing gear as far as i have seen in two years

So much repeated stupid in so many posts.

Moreno seeing first contact behind the LOS all last season but still turning in productive runs = not good.

Moreno catching 3-5 yard screen passes and check downs, then turning them into 20, 30, and even sometimes 50 yard runs = no passing gear.

I don't think people have a clue what they're talking about with Moreno. This pre-season he's looked like the best skill position player we have on offense, including Lloyd.

The last two seasons he's dealt with very poor OL play and a scheme that has never led to RB production nearly as good as what he's done in those seasons. Cory Dillon went from a 1500 yard season to <800 yards overnight in the offense McDaniels ran. Even still we have serious issues with our down field blocking.

Broncos fans have a warped perspective because for years we had the perfect ZBS implementation with OL who could move down field and block linebackers, TEs who could take a LB or a safety, and receivers who would handle their CBs or safeties in possible. Now we have Lloyd, who can't block, Royal who's willing but small, and Decker who's solid but still nothing close to a Rod Smith/Eddy Mac type, or even Marshall for that matter.

If the OL continues to develop and we transition our WRs to Thomas and Decker as #1/#2 with Julius Thomas emerging as the #1 TE we'll see far better down field blocking, which is the ultimate key to big plays. Moreno can't just run by three defenders who all have angles on him because we have no one beyond the first five yards picking up blocks.

dbfan21
08-28-2011, 04:07 AM
I was at a wedding last night, so I missed the game. I just watched a bunch of the highlights and WOW...Doom and Von are fast and nasty! Love it!!

LongDongJohnson
08-28-2011, 04:19 AM
that MUG guy loves DT's. He has a huge tebowner for Dareus and Nick Fairley and other fat guys. He hated that we didnt get a DT. He's been wanting to get a DT in the first round since 2004 when he said we should have gotten Vince Wilfork instead of DJ.

He obviously wants Von Miller to fail and dareus/fairley to do good so he can be proven right and look good.

theAPAOps5
08-28-2011, 07:02 AM
You're talking about the same MUG that posts in Denverbroncos.com forum? Check out his recent comments in the Marcel Dareus thread.

Can you link it so I don't have to wade through the trash at that forum.

Punisher
08-28-2011, 07:18 AM
VADER TIME!

schaaf
08-28-2011, 07:33 AM
THREAD NEEDS MORE

http://images.pictureshunt.com/pics/h/ham-5887.jpg

I'm so HAM I'm completely cured

baja
08-28-2011, 07:37 AM
I am so glad EFX took Miller and not Peterson like I wanted them to do. imagine how devastating to a team it is to blow the #2 pick over all. Talk about your setbacks.

Not saying Peterson is a bust here I'm talking about when a team does blow a top 5 pick.

Old Dude
08-28-2011, 08:06 AM
It's so nice to have a pass rush around the house again.

Finger Roll
08-28-2011, 08:25 AM
Can you link it so I don't have to wade through the trash at that forum.

Sure

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=192166

Page 5-8 is where MUG shows up

vonqkilla
08-28-2011, 08:34 AM
First 3 plays for Sea to start 3rd qtr.

delay 31, Von makes perfect form tackle, drives runner back 4 yards

Draw 33, after mays misses tackle, Von cleans it up, great finish

3 step drop pass play, Von makes inside move... Sack!!

There was a penalty in there, you get the idea

He was disciplined and two tackles on run plays, then had a great play at DE.


Book his tix to Hawaii.

Agamemnon
08-28-2011, 09:42 AM
So far the pick is looking pretty damn good. I'm reserving any real praise until the games are for real though.

Los Broncos
08-28-2011, 10:14 AM
I really thought it would take him some time to learn the ropes.

But hes come out like hes been in the league for years.

And I cant get over how quick he is, like a cat.

epicSocialism4tw
08-28-2011, 10:55 AM
that MUG guy loves DT's. He has a huge tebowner for Dareus and Nick Fairley and other fat guys. He hated that we didnt get a DT. He's been wanting to get a DT in the first round since 2004 when he said we should have gotten Vince Wilfork instead of DJ.

He obviously wants Von Miller to fail and dareus/fairley to do good so he can be proven right and look good.

If he was smart, he'd say "Thanks for the best player in the draft who's going to revolutionize the Broncos defense...please draft a DT next year".

We needed linebackers too.

enjolras
08-28-2011, 11:03 AM
K Moreno just has NO passing gear as far as i have seen in two years

Neither did #30...

razorwire77
08-28-2011, 11:16 AM
Neither did #30...

Uhh yeah he did.

He went 71, 60, 71, 50, 70 and 57 in his career.

Let me know when Knowshown takes one 50.

Play2win
08-28-2011, 11:21 AM
Uhh yeah he did.

He went 71, 60, 71, 50, 70 and 57 in his career.

Let me know when Knowshown takes one 50.

superior burst and a couple of wide receivers that meant business.

Who am I kidding, TD was a thoroughbred.

enjolras
08-28-2011, 11:49 AM
That was kind of my point. TD never had elite top-line speed but was extremely effective. I don't think Knowshown is in his class, but I don't think his top-line speed is going to be a serious deterrent to him being an extremely effective rusher.

vancejohnson82
08-28-2011, 12:02 PM
Just so everyone knows, Von Doom will be worked into the NFL season preview of the Broncos on NFL Network

I got to read and edit the script they were putting together and when I suggested they use the term, the staff absolutely loved it....congrats to the OMane, we've finally gone mainstream

OrangeSe7en
08-28-2011, 12:03 PM
That was kind of my point. TD never had elite top-line speed but was extremely effective. I don't think Knowshown is in his class, but I don't think his top-line speed is going to be a serious deterrent to him being an extremely effective rusher.

Comparing Moreno to TD gets really old. Do you ever say anything that's not a waste of time?

Inkana7
08-28-2011, 12:04 PM
Just so everyone knows, Von Doom will be worked into the NFL season preview of the Broncos on NFL Network

I got to read and edit the script they were putting together and when I suggested they use the term, the staff absolutely loved it....congrats to the OMane, we've finally gone mainstream

Dude, nice!

Inkana7
08-28-2011, 12:05 PM
Comparing Moreno to TD gets really old. Do you ever say anything that's not a waste of time?

Likewise to you, buddy.

epicSocialism4tw
08-28-2011, 12:06 PM
That was kind of my point. TD never had elite top-line speed but was extremely effective. I don't think Knowshown is in his class, but I don't think his top-line speed is going to be a serious deterrent to him being an extremely effective rusher.

TD knew where he was going when he got the ball, and he got there with purpose. He also had an outstanding juke move for second level defenders. Knowshon has neither of those things right now.

OrangeSe7en
08-28-2011, 12:06 PM
Likewise to you, buddy.

Who are you?

OrangeSe7en
08-28-2011, 12:07 PM
TD knew where he was going when he got the ball, and he got there with purpose. He also had an outstanding juke move for second level defenders. Knowshon has neither of those things right now.

Moreno gets happy feet. Davis ran with purpose and was a more efficient runner.

peacepipe
08-28-2011, 12:09 PM
moreno is a 3rd down RB,that got drafted too high.

enjolras
08-28-2011, 12:10 PM
Who are you?

I'd ask the same of you..child.

enjolras
08-28-2011, 12:11 PM
Moreno gets happy feet. Davis ran with purpose and was a more efficient runner.

Who (and again, this is key) didn't have elite speed. You can be a supremely effective runner without top-line speed which was the original comment I was responding to.

Christ.. reading comprehension is really poor with you.

OrangeSe7en
08-28-2011, 12:12 PM
I'd ask the same of you..child.

Well, I'm someone who knows most of your takes are hysterical. Put simply, they suck. If you would stop posting, you'd be doing everyone a favor.

Im not even here that much and your stuff is beyond annoying because its so bat**** stupid.

enjolras
08-28-2011, 12:13 PM
Well, I'm someone who knows most of your takes are hysterical. Put simply, they suck. If you would stop posting, you'd be doing everyone a favor.

Im not even here that much and you're stuff is beyond annoying because its so bat**** stupid.

I speak for everyone when I say that you still come around too much.

epicSocialism4tw
08-28-2011, 12:13 PM
Who (and again, this is key) didn't have elite speed. You can be a supremely effective runner without top-line speed which was the original comment I was responding to.

Christ.. reading comprehension is really poor with you.

Moreno doesn't have top end speed, and right now he doesn't have vision either.

enjolras
08-28-2011, 12:15 PM
And again... deal with my point. Did TD have elite top-end speed and by extension, does that mean Moreno has to have a "passing gear" to be an effective NFL back?

My point is rock solid.

OrangeSe7en
08-28-2011, 12:15 PM
Who (and again, this is key) didn't have elite speed. You can be a supremely effective runner without top-line speed which was the original comment I was responding to.

Christ.. reading comprehension is really poor with you.

Just shut up already. Every time there's a slower running back, some wiseass has to say, "dur, TD wasnt very fast". Every time we draft a RB in the later rounds, some clown has to say, "dur, TD was drafted in the 6th round". When are people going to wise up to how stupid it is to say this.

Seriously, stop using TD as a crutch to make your case for why Moreno's any good. It's absurd.

Requiem
08-28-2011, 12:17 PM
TD references aren't needed to show that Moreno is good. DUR. A DER DUR DEH.

Bronx33
08-28-2011, 12:19 PM
I don't want to jinx things but god damn i loved seeing pressure coming from both sides that really forces opposing Ds to adjust their game plan right off the bat.

enjolras
08-28-2011, 12:21 PM
Just shut up already. Every time there's a slower running back, some wiseass has to say, "dur, TD wasnt very fast". Every time we draft a RB in the later rounds, some clown has to say, "dur, TD was drafted in the 6th round". When are people going to wise up to how stupid it is to say this.

Seriously, stop using TD as a crutch to make your case for why Moreno's any good. It's absurd.

Lets spell this out:

Are you suggesting that TD had elite "home run" speed? That was demonstrably untrue.

Are you suggesting that TD wasn't an elite NFL running back? That was also demonstrably untrue.

So you'd agree with my "absurd" point that you don't have to be a 100-meter champion threat to be a great NFL running back? The criticism of Moreno I was responding to was that he doesn't have elite NFL speed. By pointing out that neither did the best running back in the history of the franchise I was simply demonstrating that it's hardly a prerequisite for greatness.

I never said "Moreno is the next #30." I never even compared the two beyond their speed.

I'm sorry that you can't grasp something as basic as that. I'm even sadder that I had to spell it out in such detail.

OrangeSe7en
08-28-2011, 12:22 PM
Lets spell this out:

Are you suggesting that TD had elite "home run" speed? That was demonstrably untrue.

Are you suggesting that TD wasn't an elite NFL running back? That was also demonstrably untrue.

So you'd agree with my "absurd" point that you don't have to be a 100-meter champion threat to be a great NFL running back? The criticism of Moreno I was responding to was that he doesn't have elite NFL speed. By pointing out that neither did the best running back in the history of the franchise I was simply demonstrating that it's hardly a prerequisite for greatness.

I never said "Moreno is the next #30." I never even compared the two beyond their speed.

I'm sorry that you can't grasp something as basic as that. I'm even sadder that I had to spell it out in such detail.

What I'm saying is that you're a dumbass and that you should leave TD out of this. It's stupid to even bring him up at this point so just stop.

epicSocialism4tw
08-28-2011, 12:41 PM
And again... deal with my point. Did TD have elite top-end speed and by extension, does that mean Moreno has to have a "passing gear" to be an effective NFL back?

My point is rock solid.

Well, the problem is that your point, while true, doesn't really have any bearing on Moreno's performance. You yourself are bringing up the point that he doesn't have to have top end speed to be successful, which is true. But also true is the contraposition...that it doesn't help you succeed either.

A player who doesn't have top end speed relies on other abilities: agility, vision, patience, intelligence, effort, discipline, etc. Moreno has good agility, but he doesn't have any of the other attributes I listed except for effort and maybe intelligence. Maybe this year begins his development in terms of discipline and patience. I don't know if vision is something that he can develop, which means I don't know if he is ever the type of player to become a regular home run threat. I hope so, but given his track record I just don't see it.

enjolras
08-28-2011, 12:47 PM
Well, the problem is that your point, while true, doesn't really have any bearing on Moreno's performance. You yourself are bringing up the point that he doesn't have to have top end speed to be successful, which is true. But also true is the contraposition...that it doesn't help you succeed either.

Funny thing is that I agree. I do think more highly of Moreno's vision and agility than you do. Particularly the 2011 version of Moreno who is in much better shape and has shown explosiveness in the preseason that gives me hope he'll be quite productive this year.

I don't think he'll be a all-pro rusher. I do think he'll be a solid running back this year.

At the end of the day, I wasn't the one who broached the subject of his speed. I was responding to another post. The singular criticism of that post was "Moreno isn't fast enough". Which I think we can agree isn't the deciding factor in a running backs success and I think TD's success is a perfectly viable example of someone who was used efficiency and purely smart running to be one of the best backs to ever play.

Either way... I'm done with this:) I think you and I, at the very least, aren't that far apart in our assessment of Moreno.

enjolras
08-28-2011, 12:49 PM
What I'm saying is that you're a dumbass and that you should leave TD out of this. It's stupid to even bring him up at this point so just stop.

Just admit that you read far more into my post than I actually said and then, like a petulant child, reached into the insult jar.

WTG Mr. Internet tough guy (tm).

Doggcow
08-28-2011, 12:57 PM
Von Miller thread.

razorwire77
08-28-2011, 01:02 PM
And again... deal with my point. Did TD have elite top-end speed and by extension, does that mean Moreno has to have a "passing gear" to be an effective NFL back?

My point is rock solid.

My contention is that TD had better than average top-end game speed (not stopwatch speed), as evidenced by 39 career runs over 20 yards, and 11 career runs over 40 yards (Moreno has one). I can think of numerous runs where a DB had an angle on Davis, and he blew past them. I can think of no examples of that being the case with K.M. He certainly had a better "passing gear" than Moreno. Again, I point this out not to knock Moreno, because I think he's had a good camp and preseason, but I think you're drawing a false equivalency between the game speed of the two players.

razorwire77
08-28-2011, 01:03 PM
Anyway, back to Von Miller. Fap. . . Fap . . . Fap . . .

broncocalijohn
08-28-2011, 01:07 PM
I can't praise Von Miller in a thread that turned to TD vs Moreno and I also have trouble doing it while posting in the "(insert name here) sucks".

Mogulseeker
08-28-2011, 01:10 PM
But, but, but............ What about Dareus???

Von is having 1 hell of a preseason

He's been destroying camp, too.

Jon Gruden: "Great pick for the Broncos. He was the best player in this years draft."

Doggcow
08-28-2011, 01:13 PM
He's been destroying camp, too.

Jon Gruden: "Great pick for the Broncos. He was the best player in this years draft."

Gruden is one of the few guys left that I respect on ESPN.