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DarkHorse
08-27-2011, 08:58 PM
Tebow had plenty of time, not sure of the coverage but you gotta get rid of that ball.

bowtown
08-27-2011, 08:58 PM
With the number of guys that will be on the waiver wire in about a week, there's no reason to hang onto Nate Jones. They shouldn't have a hard time finding someone replacing his play.

Nobody (as in no replacement) would be better than Nate Jones.

vonqkilla
08-27-2011, 08:58 PM
They should show the recs downfield!!!

Horrible crew.

HAT
08-27-2011, 08:58 PM
My point exactly. we lose any game where we give up 21. 3-10.

That would suck if Denvers defense gives up 21.3-10.

I would hate it.

Rulon Velvet Jones
08-27-2011, 08:58 PM
Hey, ASSHOLES! TRY TO HOLD A ****ING BLOCK!

eddie mac
08-27-2011, 08:59 PM
Pathetic. The 2nd string line is just as shocking.

DarkHorse
08-27-2011, 08:59 PM
This line is horrendous and that's being nice about it.

eddie mac
08-27-2011, 08:59 PM
It's actually been an absolute yawnfest since Orton left the field.

bowtown
08-27-2011, 09:00 PM
At least we are all still blaming everyone but Tebow for Tebow sucking.

Hulamau
08-27-2011, 09:00 PM
I've been a real Tebow fan but this is getting flat out embarrassing. .Starting to resent that WAY premature book tour. Quinn please , Seattle's may yet win this even though we killed their first team.

randomtask
08-27-2011, 09:00 PM
Beal sighting.

Dedhed
08-27-2011, 09:00 PM
Grading tim, hes so hot and cold.

I'd have to see him with the ones.

That's exactly what he was last year when he was more effective than Orton.

jsco70
08-27-2011, 09:01 PM
Surprised Moon hasn't commented at all regarding Tebow. I'd be interested in his take. He was a great QB and would probably have some good insight.

chawknz
08-27-2011, 09:01 PM
This Tebow apologist is ready to see some Brady Quinn.

troya900
08-27-2011, 09:01 PM
Why?

Now do you see why I'd like to see how Tebow does with the ones? He's running for his life on just about every play back there...just pathetic second string o line.

Finger Roll
08-27-2011, 09:01 PM
Orton does have a real flaw in mobility, but Damn after watching Tebow this preseason Im Soooooo! glad we held onto Orton at least one more year. the way Tim has been playing get it could ugly against first team defenses...

yeah Tebow looks really bad. Don't like any of our qb's.

Dedhed
08-27-2011, 09:02 PM
That would suck if Denvers defense gives up 21.3-10.

I would hate it.

Just keep dodging reality. It's the only chance you've got.

OrangeSe7en
08-27-2011, 09:02 PM
Ive kind of noticed that our second string front 7 is still getting after it. They're giving up more in coverage but it seems like the front 7 is bringing it. It's almost like the first string is rubbing off.

razorwire77
08-27-2011, 09:02 PM
Man, Cox should really rape less.

He's probably the 2nd or at worst the 3rd best CB on the team. Too bad he has the rapies.

Golden Tate running with the 3rd team? Is he that bad?

bowtown
08-27-2011, 09:02 PM
Now do you see why I'd like to see how Tebow does with the ones? He's running for his life on just about every play back there...just pathetic second string o line.

That's supposed to be his bread and butter.

Dr. Broncenstein
08-27-2011, 09:02 PM
http://www.tribute.ca/tribute_objects/images/movies/austin_powers_3/goldmember10.jpg

Golden Taint. Isn't that weird?

Goobzilla
08-27-2011, 09:03 PM
Horse Collar ?!? Seriously?

Dedhed
08-27-2011, 09:03 PM
Surprised Moon hasn't commented at all regarding Tebow. I'd be interested in his take. He was a great QB and would probably have some good insight.

He parroted the same old crap. "Tebow had better talent around him at UF than most NFL teams. It was easy there."

eddie mac
08-27-2011, 09:04 PM
This will be a walk in the park now for the Hawk win.

Shananahan
08-27-2011, 09:04 PM
I just spent a couple minutes figuring out who #47 is out there. I'd never heard of him.

Judging by the way he's playing, those minutes were probably wasted.

jsco70
08-27-2011, 09:05 PM
He parroted the same old crap. "Tebow had better talent around him at UF than most NFL teams. It was easy there."

Thanks...missed it.

Broncos4Life
08-27-2011, 09:05 PM
That's supposed to be his bread and butter.

Really??
I'd like to see Orton run a few series with that kind of protection. He would make some reads that Tebow wouldn't, but he would be fallin down like a bitch too!

baja
08-27-2011, 09:05 PM
You guys are a riot. Either Tebow is a God or a Dog.

He'll be great some day just not today or tomorrow either, but someday.

R8R H8R
08-27-2011, 09:05 PM
This back-up D acts like it never has seen a screen before. Jeez, it's 2nd and 13 to go...what else would they run.

Man-Goblin
08-27-2011, 09:05 PM
David Anderson, no more punts for you. Thanks for trying.

BroncoLover
08-27-2011, 09:05 PM
The depth we have on this team is useless. And if we have a few injuries our season can be given up right there. Tebow needs a lot more time to develop and he is still thinking of running more than throwing. Stay Healthy is the only message for this team and stop the run.

R8R H8R
08-27-2011, 09:06 PM
You guys are a riot. Either Tebow is a God or a Dog.

He'll be great some day just not today or tomorrow either, but someday.

Agreed.

randomtask
08-27-2011, 09:06 PM
Good job squid.

Hulamau
08-27-2011, 09:06 PM
Since freaking Peter Carroll kept his 1st team D and Offense in against our 2nd team to get a TD if we get the ball back we should put our first team O back in and stick it down their throats.

Shananahan
08-27-2011, 09:08 PM
I didn't realize they did overtime in preseason.

Or did I hear the announcers wrong back there?

Dedhed
08-27-2011, 09:08 PM
Carroll is a tool.

TheChamp24
08-27-2011, 09:09 PM
They went for the tie....you bastards

Inkana7
08-27-2011, 09:09 PM
Really, Pete? Jesus Christ, now we'll probably have a preseason OT.

Hamrob
08-27-2011, 09:09 PM
Will Tebow go get the win.....OR?

broncos-rock
08-27-2011, 09:09 PM
I really hate Pete Carroll. Go for the tie in a meaningless preseason game!

Bronco Boy
08-27-2011, 09:09 PM
I didn't realize they did overtime in preseason.

Or did I hear the announcers wrong back there?

They do have OT.

Dr. Broncenstein
08-27-2011, 09:10 PM
We should take a safety and collectively hike up the kilts at Carrol.

DarkHorse
08-27-2011, 09:11 PM
Will Tebow go get the win.....OR?

If he goes back in I hope it's with the 3rd string o-line.

vonqkilla
08-27-2011, 09:11 PM
Tebow should throw it backwards out of the endzone for a s if it gets ugly.

razorwire77
08-27-2011, 09:12 PM
Pete Carrol is a jackass. OT preseason. . . Teh Yay. . .

Hulamau
08-27-2011, 09:12 PM
Maybe Fox is letting Tim play the whole backup role this game for everyone to know he gave him a good chance. Hope he at least can drive down for a score or FG and win this game we should have locked up a while ago.

jsco70
08-27-2011, 09:12 PM
If he goes back in I hope it's with the 3rd string o-line.

They should just pull some random drunks out of the crowd...probably get the same results.

randomtask
08-27-2011, 09:12 PM
I didn't realize they did overtime in preseason.

Or did I hear the announcers wrong back there?

They do have preseason overtime.

Normally, they try to avoid this at all costs, but teams have been going for the tie a lot this preseason.

Its probably because of the shortened training camp: It gives the coaches more tape to evaluate players.

NUB
08-27-2011, 09:12 PM
Just hurry up and finish before Irene kicks my internet over.

randomtask
08-27-2011, 09:12 PM
Good run.

HAT
08-27-2011, 09:13 PM
I really hate Pete Carroll. Go for the tie in a meaningless preseason game!

Do you hate (Super Bowl winning) Mike McCarthy too?

Aftermath
08-27-2011, 09:13 PM
I hate Pete Carroll's cheatin' ass

Dr. Broncenstein
08-27-2011, 09:13 PM
FU Carrol you cawk.

DarkHorse
08-27-2011, 09:13 PM
Very well ran screen play

Requiem
08-27-2011, 09:14 PM
Tim, until you can effectively manage a snap -- you will not start.

TheChamp24
08-27-2011, 09:14 PM
Call a timeout you tard. Who's running clock management here, Herm Edwards?

vonqkilla
08-27-2011, 09:15 PM
Backups owe tebow bad. 999999 hail marys!!

broncos-rock
08-27-2011, 09:15 PM
Do you hate (Super Bowl winning) Mike McCarthy too?

No just the tool that ran a dirty program in college!

randomtask
08-27-2011, 09:16 PM
Why is it that every play with both Tebow and an empty backfield always a run?

DarkHorse
08-27-2011, 09:16 PM
Tim, until you can effectively manage a snap -- you will not start.

He should have been able to handle that but it is still another black mark on this horrible oline depth.

Dr. Broncenstein
08-27-2011, 09:16 PM
No pressure Haushka.

vonqkilla
08-27-2011, 09:16 PM
Tebows a winner, lol!!

zdoor
08-27-2011, 09:17 PM
Tim, until you can effectively manage a snap -- you will not start.

Tebow hasn't played well but I think that snap was on the center

Dedhed
08-27-2011, 09:17 PM
Tim, until you can effectively manage a snap -- you will not start.

Really?

TheChamp24
08-27-2011, 09:17 PM
Thank goodness Hauschka for making that and avoiding an OT game.

eddie mac
08-27-2011, 09:17 PM
The best home players on our team are the kickers, nice job guys.

Dr. Broncenstein
08-27-2011, 09:17 PM
Haushka is the hero. Fuggin lulz.

Requiem
08-27-2011, 09:17 PM
Player of the Game -- Von Miller

DarkHorse
08-27-2011, 09:17 PM
Meh, a so-so game. Like what we're seeing out of the defense as far as pressure goes. Hope DJ is ok as well as Bunkley. Also hope Nate Jones is selling phones next Wednesday.

Bigdawg26
08-27-2011, 09:18 PM
GGGOOOAAALLLL!!!! lol

Que
08-27-2011, 09:18 PM
Tebow = winner.

Sorry. Could not resist. Yeeeechshh...

baja
08-27-2011, 09:18 PM
Maybe Fox is letting Tim play the whole backup role this game for everyone to know he gave him a good chance. Hope he at least can drive down for a score or FG and win this game we should have locked up a while ago.

Loks to me like they got a trade in place for Quinn.

bowtown
08-27-2011, 09:19 PM
Loks to me like they got a trade in place for Quinn.

Or he just doesn't want his backup QB to get hurt.

Hamrob
08-27-2011, 09:19 PM
6-11 93yds 8.9yds an attempt.

Not bad for the 2nd string QB.

Dedhed
08-27-2011, 09:20 PM
I love hearing announcers backpedal on Tebow. "Well with Tebow in there, you can be lloking for a fumble or INT to get teh ball back quickly". ERRRR..."Broncos win".

I can't wait for the next 8 years.

Hamrob
08-27-2011, 09:20 PM
6-11 93yds 8.9yds an attempt.

Not bad for the 2nd string QB.

HAT
08-27-2011, 09:20 PM
No just the tool that ran a dirty program in college!

Hahaha....PC ran one of the cleanest programs in decades. Granted, Reggie slipped through the cracks on him but it was nothing compared to most.

Anyway....Just trying to understand why someone would be mad at Pete kicking a FIELD GOAL with over a minute left and not at MM for going for a tying 2PC with seconds to go last night.

The 'Mane never ceases to amaze with double standards.

HAT
08-27-2011, 09:21 PM
Tebow hasn't played well but I think that snap was on the center

Kind of like the SF game last year?

epicSocialism4tw
08-27-2011, 09:22 PM
6-11 93yds 8.9yds an attempt.

Not bad for the 2nd string QB.

2 drops that hit receivers right in between the numbers and a pocket that collapses like Jenga.

Tebow is the future, and the future is sooner than most people realize.

Dedhed
08-27-2011, 09:22 PM
Hahaha....PC ran one of the cleanest programs in decades. Granted, Reggie slipped through the cracks on him but it was nothing compared to most.

Anyway....Just trying to understand why someone would be mad at Pete kicking a FIELD GOAL with over a minute left and not at MM for going for a tying 2PC with seconds to go last night.

The 'Mane never ceases to amaze with double standards.

Well, luckily Orton wasn't in there for crunch time, so it's a moot point.

errand
08-27-2011, 09:22 PM
He had one good drive. Thats it. Thats not good.

17-3 lead......evidently nothing he does will ever be good enough for some people

Inkana7
08-27-2011, 09:22 PM
2 drops that hit receivers right in between the numbers and a pocket that collapses like Jenga.

Tebow is the future, and the future is sooner than most people realize.

Give it a break for the rest of the night.

Steve Sewell
08-27-2011, 09:23 PM
Haha Tim just has a knack for making plays when it counts.

epicSocialism4tw
08-27-2011, 09:23 PM
17-3 lead......evidently nothing he does will ever be good enough for some people

He really does have alot to prove.

You can't just throw his history out the window because he threw a TD in the third quarter of a preseason game.

epicSocialism4tw
08-27-2011, 09:23 PM
Give it a break for the rest of the night.

You guys are too obsessed with what I think.

Bigdawg26
08-27-2011, 09:24 PM
6-11 93yds 8.9yds an attempt.

Not bad for the 2nd string QB.

Who says he's 2nd string, and not Brady Quinn???

Steve Sewell
08-27-2011, 09:24 PM
Well, the 1st string defense won the game but Seattle was just god-awful on offense. The Bills have a better offense than them.

OrangeSe7en
08-27-2011, 09:24 PM
I love hearing announcers backpedal on Tebow. "Well with Tebow in there, you can be lloking for a fumble or INT to get teh ball back quickly". ERRRR..."Broncos win".

I can't wait for the next 8 years.

Or what about earlier when they just assumed it was Tebows fault when he and the FB ran into each other. It looked like a bootleg but they chose to pile on.

Hamrob
08-27-2011, 09:24 PM
2 drops that hit receivers right in between the numbers and a pocket that collapses like Jenga.

Tebow is the future, and the future is sooner than most people realize.So, now Tebow is 13-20 for 194yds...not bad. But no TD's.

Quinn will start the 4th preseason game and play one half. Tebow will get the 2nd half. Let the best guy win.

Inkana7
08-27-2011, 09:24 PM
You guys are too obsessed with what I think.

Based on the amount of posts of you criticizing the "attack mentality" of posters, you are too obsessed with what others think.

broncos-rock
08-27-2011, 09:25 PM
Hahaha....PC ran one of the cleanest programs in decades. Granted, Reggie slipped through the cracks on him but it was nothing compared to most.

Anyway....Just trying to understand why someone would be mad at Pete kicking a FIELD GOAL with over a minute left and not at MM for going for a tying 2PC with seconds to go last night.

The 'Mane never ceases to amaze with double standards.

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NCAA hands USC two-year bowl game ban, major scholarship reduction in football
The penalties come after a four-year investigation into allegations surrounding Heisman Trophy winner Reggie Bush and former basketball star O.J. Mayo. The Trojans will lose more than 20 scholarships in football.
June 09, 2010|By Gary Klein

A two-year bowl ban and a loss of more than 20 football scholarships are among the sanctions that the NCAA has dealt USC, a source with knowledge of the situation said Wednesday.

The NCAA, the governing body for collegiate sports, informed USC of its decision after a four-year investigation regarding allegations centered on former football player Reggie Bush and former basketball player O.J. Mayo. The NCAA could make its decision public as early as today.


Really clean okay! Whatever!!!!LOL

epicSocialism4tw
08-27-2011, 09:25 PM
So, now Tebow is 13-20 for 194yds...not bad. But no TD's.

Quinn will start the 4th preseason game and play one half. Tebow will get the 2nd half. Let the best guy win.

I think that Tebow gets the first half.

The BBT knows that Tebow is the guy that they have to develop. He needs the reps. Quinn is as good as gone.

DarkHorse
08-27-2011, 09:25 PM
So, now Tebow is 13-20 for 194yds...not bad. But no TD's.

Quinn will start the 4th preseason game and play one half. Tebow will get the 2nd half. Let the best guy win.

And possibly the best QB on our roster - Adam Weber - doesn't get to play at all?

Damn I was hoping to see him play.

peacepipe
08-27-2011, 09:26 PM
So, now Tebow is 13-20 for 194yds...not bad. But no TD's.

Quinn will start the 4th preseason game and play one half. Tebow will get the 2nd half. Let the best guy win.if it's Quinn that gets the start it will likely mean he'll be the #2 QB.

Hamrob
08-27-2011, 09:26 PM
Who says he's 2nd string, and not Brady Quinn???Fair point.

It may end up being Quinn. Next week should be the deciding game.

HAT
08-27-2011, 09:26 PM
Well, luckily Orton wasn't in there for crunch time, so it's a moot point.

Agreed....That would suck if Orton would've been in there at the end. That would mean that Tebow or Quinn were starting once **** gets real.

Denver is much better off with him starting.....As evidenced by him leaving with the lead every NFLX game so far.

epicSocialism4tw
08-27-2011, 09:26 PM
Based on the amount of posts of you criticizing the "attack mentality" of posters, you are too obsessed with what others think.

Its cute that you wild-eyed crazy liberals follow me around and obsess about what I say.

OrangeSe7en
08-27-2011, 09:27 PM
Well, luckily Orton wasn't in there for crunch time, so it's a moot point.

Imagine how ugly it would have been with Orton behind the second string offensive line. He'd be in the fetal position all night.

OrangeSe7en
08-27-2011, 09:28 PM
Agreed....That would suck if Orton would've been in there at the end. That would mean that Tebow or Quinn were starting once **** gets real.

Denver is much better off with him starting.....As evidenced by him leaving with the lead every NFLX game so far.

Good for Orton. Not good for pulling out close games.

DarkHorse30
08-27-2011, 09:28 PM
You guys are a riot. Either Tebow is a God or a Dog.

He'll be great some day just not today or tomorrow either, but someday.

Yeah, I don't get either either position. He's not good enough to start unless Orton gets traded, or injured. Tebow has much to learn, as every college QB does. Right or wrong he was drafted as a project and that is exactly what he is. Meanwhile, he's not bad enough to be labled a bust, either.....because he was drafted as a project. Is the idea to be the first to call him a bust a year or two before he can "fulfill" that destiny? Weird.

HAT
08-27-2011, 09:28 PM
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NCAA hands USC two-year bowl game ban, major scholarship reduction in football
The penalties come after a four-year investigation into allegations surrounding Heisman Trophy winner Reggie Bush and former basketball star O.J. Mayo. The Trojans will lose more than 20 scholarships in football.
June 09, 2010|By Gary Klein

A two-year bowl ban and a loss of more than 20 football scholarships are among the sanctions that the NCAA has dealt USC, a source with knowledge of the situation said Wednesday.

The NCAA, the governing body for collegiate sports, informed USC of its decision after a four-year investigation regarding allegations centered on former football player Reggie Bush and former basketball player O.J. Mayo. The NCAA could make its decision public as early as today.


Really clean okay! Whatever!!!!LOL

PC recruited Mayo? I never knew that. Thanks bro.

Hamrob
08-27-2011, 09:28 PM
I think that Tebow gets the first half.

The BBT knows that Tebow is the guy that they have to develop. He needs the reps. Quinn is as good as gone.I hope so. But, I don't think so.

I think Quinn will start the game and unless he lays an egg....he'll end up being our number 2.

Fox is a fair guy. If the players all feel that Quinn outplayed Tebow in the preseason...he'll role with that.

I'm hoping Timmy can get a couple TD's next week....that would help him out a lot!

HAT
08-27-2011, 09:30 PM
Good for Orton. Not good for pulling out close games.

Agreed Bro! I hope he doesn't pull out a close game for the rest of his Bronco career. That would be awesome!

broncos-rock
08-27-2011, 09:31 PM
PC recruited Mayo? I never knew that. Thanks bro.
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NCAA hands USC two-year bowl game ban, major scholarship reduction in football
The penalties come after a four-year investigation into allegations surrounding Heisman Trophy winner Reggie Bush and former basketball star O.J. Mayo. The Trojans will lose more than 20 scholarships in football.
June 09, 2010|By Gary Klein

A two-year bowl ban and a loss of more than 20 football scholarships are among the sanctions that the NCAA has dealt USC, a source with knowledge of the situation said Wednesday.

The NCAA, the governing body for collegiate sports, informed USC of its decision after a four-year investigation regarding allegations centered on former football player Reggie Bush and former basketball player O.J. Mayo. The NCAA could make its decision public as early as today.


I bolded it for your lack of reading comprehension!

Steve Sewell
08-27-2011, 09:32 PM
PC recruited Mayo? I never knew that. Thanks bro.

They don't call it U$C for nothing broski.

Hamrob
08-27-2011, 09:32 PM
Imagine how ugly it would have been with Orton behind the second string offensive line. He'd be in the fetal position all night.Well said. I don't think that can be argued.

jsco70
08-27-2011, 09:34 PM
I hope so. But, I don't think so.

I think Quinn will start the game and unless he lays an egg....he'll end up being our number 2.

Fox is a fair guy. If the players all feel that Quinn outplayed Tebow in the preseason...he'll role with that.

I'm hoping Timmy can get a couple TD's next week....that would help him out a lot!

I agree. However, Quinn may win the #2 out of camp, but I believe Tebow will play more this season than Quinn. Quinn seems to me like Orton lite. He doesn't really bring much else to the table. Tebow provides some intangibles, and his running ability sets him apart. The rule change for the 3rd QB was truly a blessing for Tebow.

HAT
08-27-2011, 09:36 PM
I bolded it for your lack of reading comprehension!

Hahaha....PC ran one of the cleanest programs in decades. Granted, Reggie slipped through the cracks on him but it was nothing compared to most.



I bolded it and enlarged it to a 7 for your lack of having a brain.

Steve Sewell
08-27-2011, 09:36 PM
I really like Tebow but I'm glad he gets another season to learn the pro game and develop a little further. You could see tonight that he is pretty inconsistent when it comes to making conventional QB plays. I do think he will be a very good QB in this league in time. Lets hope Orton can stay healthy this year. The Broncos look VERY good right now as far as the 1st teams are concerned.

vonqkilla
08-27-2011, 09:37 PM
Tim Tebow with the ones would have been dynamic, but we may never know.

Run blitz Dennis Allen!

HAT
08-27-2011, 09:38 PM
They don't call it U$C for nothing broski.

Agreed....."If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin"

Back to our regularly scheduled Bronco programing.

BroncoLover
08-27-2011, 09:41 PM
Loks to me like they got a trade in place for Quinn.

If that is the case, i will be happy. That way orton can finish the season and we will get something for quinn and at the end of the season we will get a comp pick for orton.

Next year tebow might be ready and we can draft sign some veteran as a back up for a year or two.. and if that experiment fails.. we will draft someone in the year after.

That way tebow can showcase his talent for a year or two, before we call it off.. if it doesn't work.

broncos-rock
08-27-2011, 09:41 PM
I bolded it and enlarged it to a 7 for your lack of having a brain.

There is more.......


Read Full Article
By By Michael McKnight, Special to SI.com

At just past 2 p.m. on May 17, 2008, El Segundo, Calif., police officer Cory McEnroe arrived at the scene of an auto accident on the Pacific Coast Highway and found a Jeep Commander buried in the rear end of a Volkswagen Passat. When McEnroe approached the SUV and asked the driver to turn it off, the Jeep instead surged forward into the Passat again. McEnroe quickly deduced that the driver, later identified as USC assistant football coach Dave Watson, was dangerously impaired. The 31-year-old Watson "seemed very confused," McEnroe wrote in his report. "[His] speech was so slurred I had a difficult time understanding him."

After McEnroe helped him from the SUV, the 255-pound Watson, who was uninjured, "staggered towards the curb while I supported him by holding onto his arm," according to the accident report. McEnroe tried to give Watson a field sobriety test, but had to stop "because Watson was so impaired I was concerned he was going to fall down and hurt himself."

Another officer searched Watson's vehicle and found four bottles of prescription pills, including one written for 90 tablets of a Vicodin-like painkiller called Norco that had been filled that morning. Except now there were only 83 pills left. Watson would later admit having taken three Soma pills (a prescription muscle relaxer) prior to the crash.

Meanwhile, inside the Passat, which had been struck by Watson's USC-provided Jeep a total of three times, 54-year-old Alaric Valentin was holding his back. Valentin declined medical treatment at the scene, but has since has sued both Watson and USC due to "numbness in his left foot ... persistent pain in his lower back [and] limitations with sitting, standing and walking [caused by] disk protrusion with annular tear at L4-L5 [vertebrae]," according to documents obtained by SI.com.

Eight months after the accident, following which Watson was charged with DUI and pleaded no contest in exchange for three years' probation, Watson was fired by USC coach Pete Carroll. The reason cited by Carroll: Watson was too hard on his players. Neither the accident nor the fact that Watson had been addicted to pain medication was mentioned. At a deposition for the civil suit in November, Watson indicated that he didn't accept the explanation Carroll had given him as the truth.

Watson also confirmed under oath what those closest to him already knew: that he had developed a significant addiction to painkillers since his college playing career in the 1990s. When asked where he had received his prescriptions while coaching at USC, Watson gave the names of 12 doctors associated with the university, six of whom were team doctors for USC football. Watson had already provided the court extensive documentation of these prescriptions, including dates, drug names and pill amounts.

When asked separately if he had ever notified a supervisor of his addiction, Watson said yes, he had told his boss and mentor, Carroll, in February 2008, three months before the car accident.

This latest revelation moved Valentin's attorneys to argue that Carroll is partly responsible for his injuries, pointing out in a letter to USC's counsel that Carroll "is the direct supervisor of Mr. Watson ... had actual notice of Mr. Watson's prescription pill addiction, actual notice that Mr. Watson was using a car provided for work use by USC, [and] actual notice of the fact that USC team doctors were writing the prescriptions for the drugs to which Mr. Watson was addicted, and nonetheless continued to allow Mr. Watson to use the company car."

Carroll hasn't shown up for scheduled depositions in the case, but on Monday afternoon a source close to the situation says that Carroll was served with a subpoena compelling him to testify in a deposition.

The civil suit seeks compensatory damages from Watson and USC believed to be in the seven-figure range to cover medical bills, future medical bills, pain and suffering, and legal costs incurred by Valentin, who was scheduled to undergo a pre-surgery MRI on Jan. 18.

broncos-rock
08-27-2011, 09:44 PM
I bolded it and enlarged it to a 7 for your lack of having a brain.


nice post btw!!!

Agreed....."If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin"

OrangeSe7en
08-27-2011, 09:48 PM
Agreed Bro! I hope he doesn't pull out a close game for the rest of his Bronco career. That would be awesome!

Not realistic.

peacepipe
08-27-2011, 09:48 PM
If that is the case, i will be happy. That way orton can finish the season and we will get something for quinn and at the end of the season we will get a comp pick for orton.

Next year tebow might be ready and we can draft sign some veteran as a back up for a year or two.. and if that experiment fails.. we will draft someone in the year after.

That way tebow can showcase his talent for a year or two, before we call it off.. if it doesn't work.that's likely,but it all depends on how bad/good a team we are. if we're bad enough to get the #1 pick next yr,elway & co. aren't going to care about tebows development cause they'll be drafting luck.

hookemhess
08-27-2011, 09:58 PM
that's likely,but it all depends on how bad/good a team we are. if we're bad enough to get the #1 pick next yr,elway & co. aren't going to care about tebows development cause they'll be drafting luck.

We won't be getting the #1 pick next year. Guaranteed.

randomtask
08-27-2011, 10:00 PM
We won't be getting the #1 pick next year. Guaranteed.

If we stock up on picks and Dalton shows signs of being decent, we might.

epicSocialism4tw
08-27-2011, 10:05 PM
We won't be getting the #1 pick next year. Guaranteed.

After watching Von Doom, I'm with you there.

Those two were in the backfield on every other play.

TailgateNut
08-27-2011, 10:21 PM
10 pts in a half where he had a dominant defense performance. He is what he is. A 20 pt/game lame duck.


17 in less than a half do not equal 20pt/game DEADhead

Play2win
08-27-2011, 10:28 PM
I'm ready to see Quinn, sorry Tim you need too much work...

Tebow didn't even look like a quarterback out there tonight. Tavarius Jackson looked definitely like the better thrower out there. ****, Jarius Jackson would have been the better thrower out there. Even if it was... practicing at the park across the street...

OrangeSe7en
08-27-2011, 10:29 PM
17 in less than a half do not equal 20pt/game DEADhead

The offense only had 10 pts at the half.

HAT
08-27-2011, 10:34 PM
The offense only had 10 pts at the half.

How many did the opposing offense have?

TDmvp
08-27-2011, 10:34 PM
We won't be getting the #1 pick next year. Guaranteed.

Totally agree...

With as bad as Cincinnati , Miami and S.F. might be there is no way we end up with the first pick and take Luck ...

And thank god . I'm totally not sold on Luck.

HAT
08-27-2011, 10:37 PM
Totally agree...

With as bad as Cincinnati , Miami and S.F. might be there is no way we end up with the first pick and take Luck ...

And thank god . I'm totally not sold on Luck.

I don't think even Snyder is dumb enough to trade the #1 pick to any of the teams you listed. You never know though.

Play2win
08-27-2011, 10:41 PM
Why is it that every play with both Tebow and an empty backfield always a run?

Because he can't really throw the ball ???


yet...

TailgateNut
08-27-2011, 10:42 PM
Glad to see the Timbow circle jerk is alive and well. Good for a laugh a minute.

HAT
08-27-2011, 10:43 PM
Because he can't really throw the ball ???


yet...

He can throw the ball just fine.....He just can't read a D.

SonOfLe-loLang
08-27-2011, 10:49 PM
I think its weird people assume we are going to be top five worst teams in the league. Have you been watching the same team I have? The defense is incredibly competitive and the offense has been competent, if not flashy. We had some nice drives out there tonight...and the one that ended on a pick...well, missing underneath coverage isnt exactly a huge problem for Kyle (certainly was/is for cutler), so to me, thats an aberration. Kyle's playing well, Moreno is playing well, the OL just needs to get some consistency

OrangeSe7en
08-27-2011, 10:55 PM
I think its weird people assume we are going to be top five worst teams in the league. Have you been watching the same team I have? The defense is incredibly competitive and the offense has been competent, if not flashy. We had some nice drives out there tonight...and the one that ended on a pick...well, missing underneath coverage isnt exactly a huge problem for Kyle (certainly was/is for cutler), so to me, thats an aberration. Kyle's playing well, Moreno is playing well, the OL just needs to get some consistency

If the VonDoom we saw tonight is what we will be seeing during the season, we might have one of the best pass rushes the league has ever seen. VonDoom have unreal closing speed. Good luck handling both of them.

HAT
08-27-2011, 10:55 PM
I think its weird people assume we are going to be top five worst teams in the league.

It's not weird....It's asinine. Denver's been an 8-8 type for the better part of a decade. Last year was just as much as an aberration as 2005 was.

There's no chance this teams wins less than 8 games this year.

NUB
08-27-2011, 10:59 PM
It's not weird....It's asinine. Denver's been an 8-8 type for the better part of a decade. Last year was just as much as an aberration as 2005 was.

There's no chance this teams wins less than 8 games this year.

Starting the year 6-0 before flaming out was the aberration.

NFLBRONCO
08-27-2011, 11:00 PM
It's not weird....It's asinine. Denver's been an 8-8 type for the better part of a decade. Last year was just as much as an aberration as 2005 was.

There's no chance this teams wins less than 8 games this year.

I admire your stance but, lets be real we can easily win 7 or less games. While we have improved we still have along ways to go.

Play2win
08-27-2011, 11:00 PM
He can throw the ball just fine.....He just can't read a D.

All I know is that the Orton TD throw... there is no way in hell Tebow ever make that same throw.


And, tonight, Tebow didn't much look like a qb at all. He really looked like he couldn't really sit in the pocket, and make throws.

He looked like he was playing out of position.

Kinda like Jose Canseco coming in as your relief pitcher.

epicSocialism4tw
08-27-2011, 11:03 PM
All I know is that the Orton TD throw... there is no way in hell Tebow ever make that same throw.


And, tonight, Tebow didn't much look like a qb at all. He really looked like he couldn't really sit in the pocket, and make throws.

He looked like he was playing out of position.

Kinda like Jose Canseco coming in as your relief pitcher.

..or John Elway as a young player.

There were a few plays that Tebow made that Orton would have taken 16-yard sacks on.

Play2win
08-27-2011, 11:06 PM
I think its weird people assume we are going to be top five worst teams in the league. Have you been watching the same team I have? The defense is incredibly competitive and the offense has been competent, if not flashy. We had some nice drives out there tonight...and the one that ended on a pick...well, missing underneath coverage isnt exactly a huge problem for Kyle (certainly was/is for cutler), so to me, thats an aberration. Kyle's playing well, Moreno is playing well, the OL just needs to get some consistency

After watching the first half of the game tonight, understanding the level of competition we went against, but believing we would get better throughout the season with Fox and Co., I definitely think we have the possible makings of a playoff team.

NFLBRONCO
08-27-2011, 11:09 PM
After watching the first half of the game tonight, understanding the level of competition we went against, but believing we would get better throughout the season with Fox and Co., I definitely think we have the possible makings of a playoff team.

We need to bolster our lines more first

OrangeSe7en
08-27-2011, 11:11 PM
All I know is that the Orton TD throw... there is no way in hell Tebow ever make that same throw.


And, tonight, Tebow didn't much look like a qb at all. He really looked like he couldn't really sit in the pocket, and make throws.

He looked like he was playing out of position.

Kinda like Jose Canseco coming in as your relief pitcher.

If Orton played behind the same line Tebow did, Orton would just hit the ground and probably stay there.

Play2win
08-27-2011, 11:14 PM
..or John Elway as a young player.

There were a few plays that Tebow made that Orton would have taken 16-yard sacks on.

I was reffering to quickness/timing necessary to delivery the ball in that tight window (time and space).

Elway had basically legendary torso torque and delivery the ball through the zone.

Steve Sewell
08-27-2011, 11:18 PM
We won't be getting the #1 pick next year. Guaranteed.

Yeah I know its just preseason but if the Broncos can stay relatively healthy, they look like at least an 8-8/7-9 squad.

Play2win
08-27-2011, 11:18 PM
We need to bolster our lines more first

I agree, but it is nice to know we have definite strengths that very might possibly overcome some of our weaknesses. It seems like a very real possibility to MAKE the playoffs. Now, yes, we need to do something to the lines before we make too much noise in the playoffs. But, first things, first...

Steve Sewell
08-27-2011, 11:23 PM
I was reffering to quickness/timing necessary to delivery the ball in that tight window (time and space).

Elway had basically legendary torso torque and delivery the ball through the zone.

Elway was a lot like Tebow when he was a young player. The only difference, as you say, was that he could do all the things Tebow can athletically and had an unbelievable arm to boot.

Play2win
08-27-2011, 11:42 PM
Elway was a lot like Tebow when he was a young player. The only difference, as you say, was that he could do all the things Tebow can athletically and had an unbelievable arm to boot.

The "only" difference is why I think they look lightyears apart. Yes, I did see Elway in his rookie season (on tv). Every time you saw Elway play, even if he was sucking it up, you saw the GREATNESS in him. The type of greatness that you knew only a few others in this world had, the Gretzky's and Jordon's...

epicSocialism4tw
08-27-2011, 11:44 PM
The "only" difference is why I think they look lightyears apart. Yes, I did see Elway in his rookie season (on tv). Every time you saw Elway play, even if he was sucking it up, you saw the GREATNESS in him...

Sounds a little like...ahem...you know who. Thats why Broncos fans already love him.

Finger Roll
08-27-2011, 11:51 PM
I was impressed with his accuracy tonight but he needs to get rid of the ball a lot quicker. Even when the protection was good he took sacks or had to run for his life

epicSocialism4tw
08-28-2011, 12:02 AM
I was impressed with his accuracy tonight but he needs to get rid of the ball a lot quicker. Even when the protection was good he took sacks or had to run for his life

Yeah, he's not up to the speed of the game yet.

But he needs more reps to get up to that speed. Tough place for Tebow to be. Elway, Manning, etc...all those guys got reps. But then again Rivers and Rogers did not.

Drek
08-28-2011, 03:30 AM
Yeah, he's not up to the speed of the game yet.

But he needs more reps to get up to that speed. Tough place for Tebow to be. Elway, Manning, etc...all those guys got reps. But then again Rivers and Rogers did not.

They also were given far more time to prepare before being judged a starting quality QB or not.

All I know is that the Orton TD throw... there is no way in hell Tebow ever make that same throw.


And, tonight, Tebow didn't much look like a qb at all. He really looked like he couldn't really sit in the pocket, and make throws.

He looked like he was playing out of position.

Kinda like Jose Canseco coming in as your relief pitcher.

See now that is just factually wrong. He couldn't sit in the pocket because 75% of the time the pocket was blown apart thanks to a horrible second string OL. Despite that he often did stay in the pocket and deliver some solid passes when he likely would have been better suited to run the ball for yardage instead.

He also flashed some fantastic play making ability when plays do break down and consistently made the first pass rusher miss. Very few QBs have the awareness and athleticism to buy time in the pocket like Tebow showed tonight. Rapistburger does it and he doesn't have nearly Tebow's athleticism on the run. When he shrugs a sack off he then immediately finds a target or throws the ball away. As a result the Steelers offense always seems to come up with that big play needed so that the defense can control the game and deliver wins.

Tebow being compared to Elway isn't fair at all. Elway is so far up on a well deserved pedestal that people immediately fly to the extreme poles of the argument when its made. We should consider comparing him to QBs of today as he will of course be playing in today's NFL.

To that point, Rapistburger's rare ability to physically withstand pressure in the pocket is something Tebow shows. Aaron Rogers' ability to drop deep balls on a dime for huge plays is something Tebow shows. Jake Plummer's ability to find the open man while mid-scramble is something Tebow shows. He shows all the big play making abilities you'd want in a QB. He just has a very long ways to go on his fundamentals. If given time he could be an incredibly dynamic, game changing player.

Couple that with the kind of running game and defense we're already working on developing and you have a recipe for long term success.

TailgateNut
08-28-2011, 05:33 AM
If pigs had wings, they still couldn't fly!

Old Dude
08-28-2011, 06:34 AM
If pigs had wings, they still couldn't fly!

Depends how big the wings are.

Rock Chalk
08-28-2011, 06:40 AM
Depends how big the wings are.

Seriously doubt even with incredibly big wings a pig can fly.

Bones aren't hollow and they are laden with fat, their feces is full of water, too many things going against a pig flying.

Birds fly because they have no water in their feces, no urine at all, hollow bones, an like 0 body fat.

elsid13
08-28-2011, 07:22 AM
..or John Elway as a young player.

There were a few plays that Tebow made that Orton would have taken 16-yard sacks on.

Just stop. There is no comparison between Elway and Tebow at this point of their careers. Elway was learning to adjust to the speed of the NFL game understanding how defense were attempting to stop him and how to overcome it, Tebow is still attempt to learning how to drop back in 3/5/7 steps calls and throw the ball into the right stop on vanilla coverages.

baja
08-28-2011, 07:22 AM
Bumble bees aren't supposed to be able to fly either but the do.

gyldenlove
08-28-2011, 07:38 AM
Bumble bees aren't supposed to be able to fly either but the do.

I wish people would stop repeating that, it was a simplistic outdated model and it has long since been shown to be wrong.

baja
08-28-2011, 07:41 AM
I wish people would stop repeating that, it was a simplistic outdated model and it has long since been shown to be wrong.

So it's better to discuss pigs flying then?

Cito Pelon
08-28-2011, 08:04 AM
All I know is that the Orton TD throw... there is no way in hell Tebow ever make that same throw.

And, tonight, Tebow didn't much look like a qb at all. He really looked like he couldn't really sit in the pocket, and make throws.

He looked like he was playing out of position.

Kinda like Jose Canseco coming in as your relief pitcher.

I don't want to bag on Tebow too much, but that's probably true.

Also, that play where the right corner blitzed, Tebow made the nice read and tried to get the pass to the open guy (#17, I believe) in the vacated spot, but Tebow's long throwing motion f'd that up. The blitzing CB had that extra two steps to get close enough to tip the pass.

Tebow does have that escapability thing going for him, though, that counts for quite a bit. Dude has some skills, just needs some time to refine his Pro passing game.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
08-28-2011, 08:30 AM
Its cute that you wild-eyed crazy liberals follow me around and obsess about what I say.

I know. Its sad, really. :(

Old Dude
08-28-2011, 08:34 AM
Seriously doubt even with incredibly big wings a pig can fly.

Bones aren't hollow and they are laden with fat, their feces is full of water, too many things going against a pig flying.

Birds fly because they have no water in their feces, no urine at all, hollow bones, an like 0 body fat.

Really, really big wings with jet thrusters.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
08-28-2011, 08:48 AM
I don't know how Tebowites think Tebow is ready. Yes he made plays when thing breakdown, and I love that. Because that is going to happen some in games. But what happenes when things don't breakdown? What happenes when the rush isn't in your face, and you need to stand in the pocket, read and throw to your third option. I haven't seen it....yet. Hope we'll see it soon

I was thinking the other day. I was thinking that Tebow was like Jordan......in baseball. Tebow has a lot of work infront of him. He has to work on his 3/5/7 step drops, d-reads, and accuracy. Because that rock, step and chuck stuff only works in the CFL.

Play2win
08-28-2011, 08:54 AM
They also were given far more time to prepare before being judged a starting quality QB or not.



See now that is just factually wrong. He couldn't sit in the pocket because 75% of the time the pocket was blown apart thanks to a horrible second string OL. Despite that he often did stay in the pocket and deliver some solid passes when he likely would have been better suited to run the ball for yardage instead.

He also flashed some fantastic play making ability when plays do break down and consistently made the first pass rusher miss. Very few QBs have the awareness and athleticism to buy time in the pocket like Tebow showed tonight. Rapistburger does it and he doesn't have nearly Tebow's athleticism on the run. When he shrugs a sack off he then immediately finds a target or throws the ball away. As a result the Steelers offense always seems to come up with that big play needed so that the defense can control the game and deliver wins.

Tebow being compared to Elway isn't fair at all. Elway is so far up on a well deserved pedestal that people immediately fly to the extreme poles of the argument when its made. We should consider comparing him to QBs of today as he will of course be playing in today's NFL.

To that point, Rapistburger's rare ability to physically withstand pressure in the pocket is something Tebow shows. Aaron Rogers' ability to drop deep balls on a dime for huge plays is something Tebow shows. Jake Plummer's ability to find the open man while mid-scramble is something Tebow shows. He shows all the big play making abilities you'd want in a QB. He just has a very long ways to go on his fundamentals. If given time he could be an incredibly dynamic, game changing player.

Couple that with the kind of running game and defense we're already working on developing and you have a recipe for long term success.

Blah, blah, blah, but not nearly as much of the Bob Loblaw Law Blog as last night. Some people were living in imaginary-land last night...

If Tebow wasn't playing behind this, if Tebow has that, well guess what? He didn't.

People like to say if just this was the case, or just that was the case, but not admitting all the other conditions that come with that case. Its a package deal. For instance Tebow throw against Seattle 1st team pass defense. It would not be pretty. Tebow running against Mebane and Red, again would not be pretty. Tebow needs large passing windows to have any sort of consistency throughout the game.

Last night, it seemed like the receivers had to be wide open for for Tebow to have a chance at getting a completion.

Honestly, Tebow most reminds me of Rothsburger. He always has. Roth was pretty poor in the begining. Slow almost lethargic getting rid of the ball, but just so darn hard to bring down. He way also on a real good team, where it seemed good QB play was a bonus, but they didn't need it to win.

Roth has developed into a pretty good thrower, and still is real difficult to bring down. A real dangerous combination.

I just hope Tebow can develop in some of the same ways, and hopefully become at least as dangerous-- if not much more.

He's just not there right now. In fact, he's nowhere close. He pretty much sucks at throwing the ball. It will definitely be interesting to see how this plays out.

Play2win
08-28-2011, 08:59 AM
I don't want to bag on Tebow too much, but that's probably true.

Also, that play where the right corner blitzed, Tebow made the nice read and tried to get the pass to the open guy (#17, I believe) in the vacated spot, but Tebow's long throwing motion f'd that up. The blitzing CB had that extra two steps to get close enough to tip the pass.

Tebow does have that escapability thing going for him, though, that counts for quite a bit. Dude has some skills, just needs some time to refine his Pro passing game.

Exactly. And that's what we should be doing with him over the course of the next couple of years. Right now, he might not start this year, but he might not start next year, also. With two more years, I would think he definitely would have had the proper development time in.

Cito Pelon
08-28-2011, 09:25 AM
About Orton, people seem to have forgot some things about that "only 10 points in the first half" - penalties. The O had some major setbacks by penalty in that first half. Lloyd with the delay of game for spinning the ball after a reception (was that a 3rd down conversion?).

Orton did f up a couple times trying to make a play when he should have thrown the ball into the stands. Also, Orton had some drops, but some people seem to have forgotten about those also. As has been said often, some people just have make it seem like any failure is all Orton.

oubronco
08-28-2011, 09:37 AM
Everyone just needs to except that Orton is the starter and deal with it

Play2win
08-28-2011, 09:40 AM
About Orton, people seem to have forgot some things about that "only 10 points in the first half" - penalties. The O had some major setbacks by penalty in that first half. Lloyd with the delay of game for spinning the ball after a reception (was that a 3rd down conversion?).

Orton did f up a couple times trying to make a play when he should have thrown the ball into the stands. Also, Orton had some drops, but some people seem to have forgotten about those also. As has been said often, some people just have make it seem like any failure is all Orton.

FOX was also testing our short yardage rushing package against a very stout DLine against the run. There were a few 3 and very shorts, that probably could have been a fairly easy conversion, but FOX wanted to see what he really had.

Drek
08-28-2011, 10:36 AM
Blah, blah, blah, but not nearly as much of the Bob Loblaw Law Blog as last night. Some people were living in imaginary-land last night...

If Tebow wasn't playing behind this, if Tebow has that, well guess what? He didn't.

People like to say if just this was the case, or just that was the case, but not admitting all the other conditions that come with that case. Its a package deal. For instance Tebow throw against Seattle 1st team pass defense. It would not be pretty. Tebow running against Mebane and Red, again would not be pretty. Tebow needs large passing windows to have any sort of consistency throughout the game.

Last night, it seemed like the receivers had to be wide open for for Tebow to have a chance at getting a completion.

Honestly, Tebow most reminds me of Rothsburger. He always has. Roth was pretty poor in the begining. Slow almost lethargic getting rid of the ball, but just so darn hard to bring down. He way also on a real good team, where it seemed good QB play was a bonus, but they didn't need it to win.

Roth has developed into a pretty good thrower, and still is real difficult to bring down. A real dangerous combination.

I just hope Tebow can develop in some of the same ways, and hopefully become at least as dangerous-- if not much more.

He's just not there right now. In fact, he's nowhere close. He pretty much sucks at throwing the ball. It will definitely be interesting to see how this plays out.

Our 2nd string OL and our 3rd sting OL are basically toss ups. Almost none of them should be viewed as a real 2nd stringer in the NFL. They're horrible.

Last night Tebow faced a combination of Seattle's 1st and 2nd string players.

Last season with a team in shambles with effectively the same OL but less matured Tebow faced three NFL teams, two of them ranked in the top 5 defensively, and showed that his style of play works just fine against 1st stingers in the NFL.

Does he have maturation to make? Sure. But you act like he's miles away from being an NFL level backup when he's already above that level and given nothing more than time he will mature into something much better.

You agreed with the comparison to Roethlisberger. He started as a rookie and looked rough as hell for several years despite putting up solid numbers and winning a ton of games. Yet you say that Tebow isn't close to ready. How does that make sense?

Tebow will benefit from another season of adjusting to NFL game speed and learning from the sidelines, though given Orton's history that will more likely be half a season. But that doesn't change the reality of the situation. Tebow posesses all of the exceptional attributes that are so rare to find in a QB. Pocket presence, athleticism, an accurate deep ball, the ability to throw on the run. What he lacks is refinement of his base fundamentals, like all rookies though perhaps with a somewhat steeper learning curve due to the fact that in college his elite level talents overshadowed the need for further refinements. There is effectively zero chance that he can't develop that at the NFL level though, and he's shown significant progress already in his short career minus a real off-season/pre-season.

The question with Tebow isn't "will" he be a standout QB, its "when".

Gort
08-28-2011, 10:59 AM
Everyone just needs to accept that Orton is the starter and deal with it

http://www.digdang.com/media/images/do_not_want_4718.jpg

Play2win
08-28-2011, 11:17 AM
Our 2nd string OL and our 3rd sting OL are basically toss ups. Almost none of them should be viewed as a real 2nd stringer in the NFL. They're horrible.

Last night Tebow faced a combination of Seattle's 1st and 2nd string players.

Last season with a team in shambles with effectively the same OL but less matured Tebow faced three NFL teams, two of them ranked in the top 5 defensively, and showed that his style of play works just fine against 1st stingers in the NFL.

Does he have maturation to make? Sure. But you act like he's miles away from being an NFL level backup when he's already above that level and given nothing more than time he will mature into something much better.

You agreed with the comparison to Roethlisberger. He started as a rookie and looked rough as hell for several years despite putting up solid numbers and winning a ton of games. Yet you say that Tebow isn't close to ready. How does that make sense?

Tebow will benefit from another season of adjusting to NFL game speed and learning from the sidelines, though given Orton's history that will more likely be half a season. But that doesn't change the reality of the situation. Tebow posesses all of the exceptional attributes that are so rare to find in a QB. Pocket presence, athleticism, an accurate deep ball, the ability to throw on the run. What he lacks is refinement of his base fundamentals, like all rookies though perhaps with a somewhat steeper learning curve due to the fact that in college his elite level talents overshadowed the need for further refinements. There is effectively zero chance that he can't develop that at the NFL level though, and he's shown significant progress already in his short career minus a real off-season/pre-season.

The question with Tebow isn't "will" he be a standout QB, its "when".

In your mind.

Anyway, I just want to enjoy the games again. I really enjoyed the first half, and I'll admit the defense had a lot to do with that. But, the 2nd half was way too much like the last couple of years, not really interesting or fun to watch, but we would trick or rationalize ourselves into thinking it was fun. It wasn't. I'm done with that. Put a good product on the field, and I'll watch and enjoy it.

As far as the mechanics of the game, meh. I will concern myself with the mechanic of something else. Something that will actually give me some ROI.

But, still enjoy you posts. Hope there are blue skies ahead, so we can all enjoy our orange sundays. :thumbsup:

Cito Pelon
08-28-2011, 11:22 AM
Our 2nd string OL and our 3rd sting OL are basically toss ups. Almost none of them should be viewed as a real 2nd stringer in the NFL. They're horrible.

Last night Tebow faced a combination of Seattle's 1st and 2nd string players.

Last season with a team in shambles with effectively the same OL but less matured Tebow faced three NFL teams, two of them ranked in the top 5 defensively, and showed that his style of play works just fine against 1st stingers in the NFL.

Does he have maturation to make? Sure. But you act like he's miles away from being an NFL level backup when he's already above that level and given nothing more than time he will mature into something much better.

You agreed with the comparison to Roethlisberger. He started as a rookie and looked rough as hell for several years despite putting up solid numbers and winning a ton of games. Yet you say that Tebow isn't close to ready. How does that make sense?

Tebow will benefit from another season of adjusting to NFL game speed and learning from the sidelines, though given Orton's history that will more likely be half a season. But that doesn't change the reality of the situation. Tebow posesses all of the exceptional attributes that are so rare to find in a QB. Pocket presence, athleticism, an accurate deep ball, the ability to throw on the run. What he lacks is refinement of his base fundamentals, like all rookies though perhaps with a somewhat steeper learning curve due to the fact that in college his elite level talents overshadowed the need for further refinements. There is effectively zero chance that he can't develop that at the NFL level though, and he's shown significant progress already in his short career minus a real off-season/pre-season.

The question with Tebow isn't "will" he be a standout QB, its "when".

Well, that "when" thing does depend a lot on Tebow refining his base findamentals.

I think Play2Win had a great post saying Tebow won't be able to make that TD throw Orton had to Decker. There's no way with Tebow's long throwing motion he can throw a quick dart like that into that small window. Unless Tebow can shorten up that motion he's gonna be limited with the short throws he can make.

montrose
08-28-2011, 12:30 PM
I can say from being at the game last night it boggles my mind how overblown the "Orton looks so much better than Tebow" stuff is considering the **** Tebow gets to play with compared to Orton. Obviously the starters are going to better than the backups but my goodness. It goes from Orton getting great time and throwing to Royal and Lloyd to Tebow living with guys in his face and throwing to Britt Davis and Dante Rosario. I'd love to see what would happen in a game scenerio if Tebow got to work with that 1st group, not saying it'd be "prettier" than Orton but I think they'd move the ball and score points too - just doing so with a younger QB whose not a Free Agent headed to Dolphins next year.

epicSocialism4tw
08-28-2011, 12:51 PM
I can say from being at the game last night it boggles my mind how overblown the "Orton looks so much better than Tebow" stuff is considering the **** Tebow gets to play with compared to Orton. Obviously the starters are going to better than the backups but my goodness. It goes from Orton getting great time and throwing to Royal and Lloyd to Tebow living with guys in his face and throwing to Britt Davis and Dante Rosario. I'd love to see what would happen in a game scenerio if Tebow got to work with that 1st group, not saying it'd be "prettier" than Orton but I think they'd move the ball and score points too - just doing so with a younger QB whose not a Free Agent headed to Dolphins next year.

Agree on all counts.

epicSocialism4tw
08-28-2011, 12:53 PM
Well, that "when" thing does depend a lot on Tebow refining his base findamentals.

I think Play2Win had a great post saying Tebow won't be able to make that TD throw Orton had to Decker. There's no way with Tebow's long throwing motion he can throw a quick dart like that into that small window. Unless Tebow can shorten up that motion he's gonna be limited with the short throws he can make.

That's pure speculation, and I don't see the relevancy.

Tebow has a stronger arm than Orton. He could have probably also run the ball in from there.

epicSocialism4tw
08-28-2011, 12:56 PM
Just stop. There is no comparison between Elway and Tebow at this point of their careers. Elway was learning to adjust to the speed of the NFL game understanding how defense were attempting to stop him and how to overcome it, Tebow is still attempt to learning how to drop back in 3/5/7 steps calls and throw the ball into the right stop on vanilla coverages.

Um...sorry to delate your myth-floaties, but Tebow's first three NFL starts were considerably superior to Elways in just about every category. Facts are facts, and the statistics bear that out.

I did a comprehensive study on that and posted it here on this site after the end of last season. Elway was one of the worst QB's in the analysis over his first three games.

No reason to get all upset. Just take a look at it and see for yourself.

Tombstone RJ
08-28-2011, 12:58 PM
I don't know how Tebowites think Tebow is ready. Yes he made plays when thing breakdown, and I love that. Because that is going to happen some in games. But what happenes when things don't breakdown? What happenes when the rush isn't in your face, and you need to stand in the pocket, read and throw to your third option. I haven't seen it....yet. Hope we'll see it soon

I was thinking the other day. I was thinking that Tebow was like Jordan......in baseball. Tebow has a lot of work infront of him. He has to work on his 3/5/7 step drops, d-reads, and accuracy. Because that rock, step and chuck stuff only works in the CFL.

I've seen enough to know he's every bit as accurate as Orton. It's just his ability to make the correct reads which comes with experience.

When I watch Tebow, I see potential.

epicSocialism4tw
08-28-2011, 12:59 PM
I've seen enough to know he's every bit as accurate as Orton. It's just his ability to make the correct reads which comes with experience.

When I watch Tebow, I see potential.

Even as a raw young player learning a new offense on the fly, Tebow is a playmaker.

TonyR
08-28-2011, 01:02 PM
...it boggles my mind how overblown the "Orton looks so much better than Tebow" stuff is considering the **** Tebow gets to play with compared to Orton. Obviously the starters are going to better than the backups...

What's your (and anybody can chime in here) on why Fox/Elway are going with Orton over Tebow? If it's so clear that Orton is outperforming Tebow only because he's surrounded by first teamers isn't this also clear to them? Because they either disagree that we'd be as good or better with Tebow or they have some other motive, right? They do want to win football games, right?

Tombstone RJ
08-28-2011, 01:07 PM
I can say from being at the game last night it boggles my mind how overblown the "Orton looks so much better than Tebow" stuff is considering the **** Tebow gets to play with compared to Orton. Obviously the starters are going to better than the backups but my goodness. It goes from Orton getting great time and throwing to Royal and Lloyd to Tebow living with guys in his face and throwing to Britt Davis and Dante Rosario. I'd love to see what would happen in a game scenerio if Tebow got to work with that 1st group, not saying it'd be "prettier" than Orton but I think they'd move the ball and score points too - just doing so with a younger QB whose not a Free Agent headed to Dolphins next year.

When I watch the Orton lead offense, I see a very uninspiring pass game. Let me explain:

Orton can make some very good throws. Sometimes he's spot on. However he is not consistently accurate in the pocket and if he didn't have a guy like Lloyd making acrobatic catches for him half the time, he's pass completion % would shrink.

Orton absolutely locks onto one target and it's usually Lloyd. However, if his one favorite target is covered, he does the easy check down crap, or he get's flustered and gets innaccurate, or he gets sacked.

Orton's MO is like this: he lines up under center, then he starts pointing fingers at some freaking gap in the defense (sometimes he's pointing at nothing) and barking audibles, then he finally gets the ball snapped and if it's a pass play he looks to one side of the field until he's pressured then he becomes mister-below-average-checkdown-guy.

Bronx33
08-28-2011, 01:11 PM
FYI the game is being re televised here on channel 20 locally

elsid13
08-28-2011, 01:27 PM
Um...sorry to delate your myth-floaties, but Tebow's first three NFL starts were considerably superior to Elways in just about every category. Facts are facts, and the statistics bear that out.

I did a comprehensive study on that and posted it here on this site after the end of last season. Elway was one of the worst QB's in the analysis over his first three games.

No reason to get all upset. Just take a look at it and see for yourself.

One of the most worthless stats that tebownuts throw out. Tebow played against the worse (statically) passing defense in the Houston and another team in SD that was trying to figure out when their tee time was.

Meanwhile Elway started against the Pittsburgh Steelers(10-6) in Three River and then followed up it with game in Baltimore (7-9), a place he just spurned in the draft. All that at the beginning of the season vs. the end, when nothing was on the line.

To compare the clear #1 pick in the draft to project that is Tebow is beyond ridicules

epicSocialism4tw
08-28-2011, 01:28 PM
One of the most worthless stats that tebownuts throw out. Tebow played against the worse (statically) passing defense in the Houston and another team in SD that was trying to figure out when their tee time was.

Meanwhile Elway started against the Pittsburgh Steelers(10-6) in Three River and then followed up it with game in Baltimore (7-9), a place he just spurned in the draft. All that at the beginning of the season vs. the end, when nothing was on the line.

To compare the clear #1 pick in the draft to project that is Tebow is beyond ridicules

To ignore history is beyond moronic, and to shun historical perspective is beyond ignorant.

But by all means, wrap yourself tight in your snuggly myth. Don't mind me. I'm just over here in reality doing my thing. Its all good.

Tebow - A Modern and Historical Perspective
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=95960

Play2win
08-28-2011, 01:32 PM
Last night Tebow had all the throwing consistency of Jake Plummer... throwing from the pocket... with his left hand...

Dedhed
08-28-2011, 01:32 PM
What happenes when the rush isn't in your face, and you need to stand in the pocket, read and throw to your third option.

There were two plays where that was the case, that there was anything resembling a pocket, and he threw two perfect strikes on time to Willis.

Cito Pelon
08-28-2011, 02:01 PM
When I watch the Orton lead offense, I see a very uninspiring pass game. Let me explain:

Orton can make some very good throws. Sometimes he's spot on. However he is not consistently accurate in the pocket and if he didn't have a guy like Lloyd making acrobatic catches for him half the time, he's pass completion % would shrink.

Orton absolutely locks onto one target and it's usually Lloyd. However, if his one favorite target is covered, he does the easy check down crap, or he get's flustered and gets innaccurate, or he gets sacked.

Orton's MO is like this: he lines up under center, then he starts pointing fingers at some freaking gap in the defense (sometimes he's pointing at nothing) and barking audibles, then he finally gets the ball snapped and if it's a pass play he looks to one side of the field until he's pressured then he becomes mister-below-average-checkdown-guy.

What about those beautiful passes Orton makes?

Cito Pelon
08-28-2011, 02:31 PM
FYI the game is being re televised here on channel 20 locally

Man, Orton was throwing some strikes, you could hear the thunk when his passes hit the receiver on time and right in the chest.

Rigs11
08-28-2011, 02:57 PM
Man, Orton was throwing some strikes, you could hear the thunk when his passes hit the receiver on time and right in the chest.

Who?noodle arm?blasphemy!!

Drek
08-28-2011, 03:29 PM
Man, Orton was throwing some strikes, you could hear the thunk when his passes hit the receiver on time and right in the chest.

1. If our WRs are consistently catching Orton's passes against their chest we have serious issues.

2. Orton does make some very nice throws from time to time. He also makes some real stinkers. That is what you get when you have an accurate but imprecise passer. He puts the ball around where it should be, but rarely is it exactly where it should be.

Consider the pass he threw to Larsen where he made a fullback spin and reach back for the ball with no defenders nearby because he put it on Larsen's back shoulder. Why not the front shoulder so the big guy could catch and run?

He did the same thing to Fells a little later on 3rd down and Fells couldn't come up with it. Why? Because asking a 280 pound TE to stop, turn, and catch a ball thrown behind him is just not a good idea.

When he went deep to Lloyd he overthrew him. Lloyd could have gone full extension and probably caught it, while getting lit up, but there was a very obvious window where a QB with better deep ball precision (*cough* TEBOW *cough*) could have put that ball on the spot and made it an easy play for Lloyd.

Orton puts the ball in a catchable area, not an easily catchable area. That is a problem because he has a tendency to deliver his toughest catches in the most important times (like third downs or when a good deep ball would have been a TD).

Well, that "when" thing does depend a lot on Tebow refining his base findamentals.
Of course. But it will happen. He's a hard enough worker and its easy enough to learn. Every young QB has the same hurdles to get over, Tebow's are just a touch bigger because the hurdle he had to overcome going from HS > College was minimized by his superior athleticism. In the pros his athleticism doesn't minimize it as much and so he needs time to adjust and mature.

I think Play2Win had a great post saying Tebow won't be able to make that TD throw Orton had to Decker. There's no way with Tebow's long throwing motion he can throw a quick dart like that into that small window. Unless Tebow can shorten up that motion he's gonna be limited with the short throws he can make.
His throwing motion is effectively fixed at this point, people just get all goofy when watching a lefty or something is all I can assume. He no longer drops the ball to his knee for a windup. He no longer carries the ball at his sternum, he gets it up high as soon as he receives the snap and that alone fixes basically all his delivery issues.

He's still slow making decisions, that is why he looks to have motion issues. He hesitates too much. Its all things that will be fixed given time.

We could have sped that process up by throwing him out there this year and giving him a baptism by fire, though it does have the inherent risks of mental fatigue and serious physical injury. Sitting him behind Orton for the year, while slower, is also safer.

99% of all pro-Tebow angst in the Broncos fan community would be resolved if Elway, Fox, etc. made an emphatic statement of support for Tebow instead of the wishy washy PR crap they currently trot out. Just come out and publicly say "Tim Tebow is a significant part of the Broncos future and will have every opportunity to become this team's long term starting QB". Bam, done. Fans are happy because they know the team actually wants Tebow around. At the same time they could even make it clear that Brady Quinn will get the same opportunity and fans will still be happy because it'll be a legitimate young QB battle. The hemming and hawing, trying to trade Orton, bringing him back, then giving what little bits of tentative statements they've given regarding all three QBs is the source of the issues within the fan base.

barryr
08-28-2011, 03:35 PM
Bottom line is we will see what happens once the games count. Judging players in camp practice and preseason games is fun, but ultimately proves nothing.

Orton has a lot to prove, mainly that he can keep plays alive when things break down and can lead the team to more TD's instead of field goals while in the red zone. If he can, then he likely is the QB for this team for many years. If he can't, he will be somewhere else next season.

Whether that would mean Tebow would get the job, who knows? But I do find this hating either QB to be pointless and a waste of time.

How about root for the team no matter who the QB is and not hope for failure for a player since that means the whole team won't be successful either.

Dedhed
08-28-2011, 03:40 PM
Has anyone seen anything from Orton that would lead you to believe he wouldn't be the same guy he's always been; a QB who takes what the defense gives him, but isn't going to make anything happen.

Cito Pelon
08-28-2011, 03:46 PM
1. If our WRs are consistently catching Orton's passes against their chest we have serious issues.

2. Orton does make some very nice throws from time to time. He also makes some real stinkers. That is what you get when you have an accurate but imprecise passer. He puts the ball around where it should be, but rarely is it exactly where it should be.

Consider the pass he threw to Larsen where he made a fullback spin and reach back for the ball with no defenders nearby because he put it on Larsen's back shoulder. Why not the front shoulder so the big guy could catch and run?

He did the same thing to Fells a little later on 3rd down and Fells couldn't come up with it. Why? Because asking a 280 pound TE to stop, turn, and catch a ball thrown behind him is just not a good idea.

When he went deep to Lloyd he overthrew him. Lloyd could have gone full extension and probably caught it, while getting lit up, but there was a very obvious window where a QB with better deep ball precision (*cough* TEBOW *cough*) could have put that ball on the spot and made it an easy play for Lloyd.

Orton puts the ball in a catchable area, not an easily catchable area. That is a problem because he has a tendency to deliver his toughest catches in the most important times (like third downs or when a good deep ball would have been a TD).


Of course. But it will happen. He's a hard enough worker and its easy enough to learn. Every young QB has the same hurdles to get over, Tebow's are just a touch bigger because the hurdle he had to overcome going from HS > College was minimized by his superior athleticism. In the pros his athleticism doesn't minimize it as much and so he needs time to adjust and mature.


His throwing motion is effectively fixed at this point, people just get all goofy when watching a lefty or something is all I can assume. He no longer drops the ball to his knee for a windup. He no longer carries the ball at his sternum, he gets it up high as soon as he receives the snap and that alone fixes basically all his delivery issues.

He's still slow making decisions, that is why he looks to have motion issues. He hesitates too much. Its all things that will be fixed given time.

We could have sped that process up by throwing him out there this year and giving him a baptism by fire, though it does have the inherent risks of mental fatigue and serious physical injury. Sitting him behind Orton for the year, while slower, is also safer.

99% of all pro-Tebow angst in the Broncos fan community would be resolved if Elway, Fox, etc. made an emphatic statement of support for Tebow instead of the wishy washy PR crap they currently trot out. Just come out and publicly say "Tim Tebow is a significant part of the Broncos future and will have every opportunity to become this team's long term starting QB". Bam, done. Fans are happy because they know the team actually wants Tebow around. At the same time they could even make it clear that Brady Quinn will get the same opportunity and fans will still be happy because it'll be a legitimate young QB battle. The hemming and hawing, trying to trade Orton, bringing him back, then giving what little bits of tentative statements they've given regarding all three QBs is the source of the issues within the fan base.

Yus, well, I have to say I think that is pretty much nonsense.

barryr
08-28-2011, 03:51 PM
Has anyone seen anything from Orton that would lead you to believe he wouldn't be the same guy he's always been; a QB who takes what the defense gives him, but isn't going to make anything happen.

That is true, but there is hope that maybe he can figure it out. I am not a big believer in him, but I want him to do well since the team only succeeds if he does.

Dedhed
08-28-2011, 03:52 PM
Man, Orton was throwing some strikes, you could hear the thunk when his passes hit the receiver on time and right in the chest.

He threw 1 strike; to Decker. The rest were typically Orton. Like making a wide open Lloyd making a diving comeback catch. Like making Larsen reach behind him on a 4 yard throw. Like taking a 16 yard sack when he got pressured. Like doing nothing to ice the game when given great field position to end the half.

It was all typical 20 pt/game Orton.

Dedhed
08-28-2011, 03:53 PM
That is true, but there is hope that maybe he can figure it out. I am not a big believer in him, but I want him to do well since the team only succeeds if he does.

What is he going to figure out in year 7 that's we make him any different than he's always been?

Cito Pelon
08-28-2011, 03:53 PM
Has anyone seen anything from Orton that would lead you to believe he wouldn't be the same guy he's always been; a QB who takes what the defense gives him, but isn't going to make anything happen.

Orton doesn't turn the ball over, either. That's a big deal. His teammates appreciate that. 41 TD passes, 14 INT's.

Dedhed
08-28-2011, 03:58 PM
Orton doesn't turn the ball over, either. That's a big deal. His teammates appreciate that. 41 TD passes, 14 INT's.

So no. You haven't seen anything different. That's my point. People have been saying that he'll be more productive with a better defense.

He had an epic defensive performance last night and was no more productive than he's always been.

jsco70
08-28-2011, 04:04 PM
Orton doesn't turn the ball over, either. That's a big deal. His teammates appreciate that. 41 TD passes, 14 INT's.

Except for the 4th quarter last season in several games. A couple of fumbles and a couple of picks at least on potential game winning drives.

Cito Pelon
08-28-2011, 04:21 PM
Except for the 4th quarter last season in several games. A couple of fumbles and a couple of picks at least on potential game winning drives.

Agreed.

As I've said many times Orton has a lot to prove. But, I'm not gonna allow people free rein to say he sucks all the time, can't do jack****, is worthless.

HAT
08-28-2011, 04:32 PM
What is he going to figure out in year 7 that's we make him any different than he's always been?

First of all, it's going to be his 6th year, not 7th.

And what "he's always been" is a QB who has improved year over year.

From his rookie year in Chicago to his first in Denver he saw his numbers go up in the traditional QB metrics....Comp %, QBR, Y/A, TD/INT ratio, etc.

Year 2 in Denver was basically the same as year 1.

For me, it's not a matter of what "HE" is going to figure out in year 3 in Denver....The optimism stems from a new coaching staff and all that (hopefully) comes with it. New schemes, better play calling, better running game, improved defense, shorter fields, etc.

His year over year improvement has me confident that he can go for 4k yards, 64% comp, Y/A in the 8's and a + 2/1 TD/INT.

It's up to the new coaches and a better run game & defense to see if the RZ & 3rd down %'s improve.

Play2win
08-28-2011, 04:36 PM
Orton has to get better thats for sure. But, honestly, a strong run offense that allows Orton to run PA off of it, is probably a good place for him to be.

prunch
08-28-2011, 04:39 PM
Aren't there threads for the QB debate ... like 10 million of them?

TailgateNut
08-28-2011, 04:45 PM
1. If our WRs are consistently catching Orton's passes against their chest we have serious issues.

2. Orton does make some very nice throws from time to time. He also makes some real stinkers. That is what you get when you have an accurate but imprecise passer. He puts the ball around where it should be, but rarely is it exactly where it should be.

Consider the pass he threw to Larsen where he made a fullback spin and reach back for the ball with no defenders nearby because he put it on Larsen's back shoulder. Why not the front shoulder so the big guy could catch and run?

He did the same thing to Fells a little later on 3rd down and Fells couldn't come up with it. Why? Because asking a 280 pound TE to stop, turn, and catch a ball thrown behind him is just not a good idea.

When he went deep to Lloyd he overthrew him. Lloyd could have gone full extension and probably caught it, while getting lit up, but there was a very obvious window where a QB with better deep ball precision (*cough* TEBOW *cough*) could have put that ball on the spot and made it an easy play for Lloyd.

Orton puts the ball in a catchable area, not an easily catchable area. That is a problem because he has a tendency to deliver his toughest catches in the most important times (like third downs or when a good deep ball would have been a TD).


Of course. But it will happen. He's a hard enough worker and its easy enough to learn. Every young QB has the same hurdles to get over, Tebow's are just a touch bigger because the hurdle he had to overcome going from HS > College was minimized by his superior athleticism. In the pros his athleticism doesn't minimize it as much and so he needs time to adjust and mature.


His throwing motion is effectively fixed at this point, people just get all goofy when watching a lefty or something is all I can assume. He no longer drops the ball to his knee for a windup. He no longer carries the ball at his sternum, he gets it up high as soon as he receives the snap and that alone fixes basically all his delivery issues.

He's still slow making decisions, that is why he looks to have motion issues. He hesitates too much. Its all things that will be fixed given time.

We could have sped that process up by throwing him out there this year and giving him a baptism by fire, though it does have the inherent risks of mental fatigue and serious physical injury. Sitting him behind Orton for the year, while slower, is also safer.

99% of all pro-Tebow angst in the Broncos fan community would be resolved if Elway, Fox, etc. made an emphatic statement of support for Tebow instead of the wishy washy PR crap they currently trot out. Just come out and publicly say "Tim Tebow is a significant part of the Broncos future and will have every opportunity to become this team's long term starting QB". Bam, done. Fans are happy because they know the team actually wants Tebow around. At the same time they could even make it clear that Brady Quinn will get the same opportunity and fans will still be happy because it'll be a legitimate young QB battle. The hemming and hawing, trying to trade Orton, bringing him back, then giving what little bits of tentative statements they've given regarding all three QBs is the source of the issues within the fan base.


Hilarious!LOLHilarious!LOLHilarious! You Tebonites are funny........real funny.

TonyR
08-28-2011, 04:46 PM
He threw 1 strike; to Decker. The rest were typically Orton.

LOL The guy completed 70% of his passes but only one was a strike. You people are the funny.

TailgateNut
08-28-2011, 04:48 PM
What is he going to figure out in year 7 that's we make him any different than he's always been?


That fans like you are "a dime a dozen".

montrose
08-28-2011, 04:55 PM
Orton's getting cocky! lol

“There’s not going to be too many teams that can close (us) down for four quarters."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/15492340

Rock Chalk
08-28-2011, 04:55 PM
The most hilarious part of all these debates is that if Orton really sucks as bad as these dumbasses say and Tebow cant beat him out for the starting position, what the **** does that tell you about Tebow?

They dont have an answer. Their best bet is to call the front office incompetent. The very same people who have worked their asses off to get into the football industry, studied far more game tape than any of them, and know better what they are looking for than they do, they are apparently incompetent.

And message board ****heads like Drek - who I usually think is mostly intelligent - continue to bash Orton for not having 100% perfect passes. Guess what Drek, WRs and TEs are supposed to catch teh ****ing ball that hit them in the hands and if it hits them in the chest THEY ****ed up, not the QB. PEyton Manning doesnt throw 100% perfect passes, Tom Brady doesn't throw 100% perfect passes, and they are better QBs than Orton so why the **** are you expecting Orton to do what the two best QBs in the league cant do?

I expect Royal to make a catch that is right to him. I expect our TE to be able to make a catch that might be a bit behind him but was absolutely a catchable ball. I expect a drop here and there but I do NOT expect the QB to be to blame when the WR/TE/RB drops the ****ing ball.

You idiots are unrealistic. If Tebow makes the same pass, its on the WR or TE or RB, but when Orton does it, its because ORton sucks.

Cito Pelon
08-28-2011, 04:58 PM
So no. You haven't seen anything different. That's my point. People have been saying that he'll be more productive with a better defense.

He had an epic defensive performance last night and was no more productive than he's always been.

Orton produced. I doubt anybody on the team had a problem with Orton's production.

Cito Pelon
08-28-2011, 05:08 PM
LOL The guy completed 70% of his passes but only one was a strike. You people are the funny.

Not the funny - they're the idiots.

elsid13
08-28-2011, 05:11 PM
I have never been an Orton fan, but this is getting stupid. He has played good ball over this preseason and there is reason that he is the starting QB. He will never be dynamic, but he is solid NFL starting QB, something Tebow is not at this moment.

maven
08-28-2011, 05:50 PM
Watching the Raiders vs Saints game. Broncos can beat them on opening night.

TonyR
08-28-2011, 05:56 PM
Orton's getting cocky! lol

“There’s not going to be too many teams that can close (us) down for four quarters."

You cannot stop them, you can only hope to contain them.

TonyR
08-28-2011, 06:14 PM
Many people have been critical of Orton for Denver's O only putting up 10 points in the first half. Fyi... the San Diego Chargers offense, with Rivers starting, scored 10 first half points against Seattle in the first preseason game. The Minnesota Vikings offense, with McNabb starting, scored 6 first half points against Seattle in the second preseason game (their D also scored a TD on an INT return). So neither San Diego's nor Minnesota's O's were much, if any, more productive against Seattle than Denver's was (although, to be fair, Rivers put up a TD on SD's first possession).

Play2win
08-28-2011, 06:15 PM
I finally get it.

Tim Tebow IS William Wallace.

And he shoots lightening bolts from his Arse, too!!

Gort
08-28-2011, 07:13 PM
First of all, it's going to be his 6th year, not 7th.

And what "he's always been" is a QB who has improved year over year.

From his rookie year in Chicago to his first in Denver he saw his numbers go up in the traditional QB metrics....Comp %, QBR, Y/A, TD/INT ratio, etc.

Year 2 in Denver was basically the same as year 1.

For me, it's not a matter of what "HE" is going to figure out in year 3 in Denver....The optimism stems from a new coaching staff and all that (hopefully) comes with it. New schemes, better play calling, better running game, improved defense, shorter fields, etc.

His year over year improvement has me confident that he can go for 4k yards, 64% comp, Y/A in the 8's and a + 2/1 TD/INT.

It's up to the new coaches and a better run game & defense to see if the RZ & 3rd down %'s improve.

Orton is in his 7th year. 2005-2008 with the Bears. 2009-2011 with the Broncos.

TonyR
08-28-2011, 07:49 PM
Orton is in his 7th year. 2005-2008 with the Bears. 2009-2011 with the Broncos.

The confusion is probably due to the fact that he didn't play at all in 2006. So this is his 7th year but only his 6th season playing.

OrangeSe7en
08-28-2011, 07:55 PM
Many people have been critical of Orton for Denver's O only putting up 10 points in the first half. Fyi... the San Diego Chargers offense, with Rivers starting, scored 10 first half points against Seattle in the first preseason game. The Minnesota Vikings offense, with McNabb starting, scored 6 first half points against Seattle in the second preseason game (their D also scored a TD on an INT return). So neither San Diego's nor Minnesota's O's were much, if any, more productive against Seattle than Denver's was (although, to be fair, Rivers put up a TD on SD's first possession).

Fail! Last year, Denvers offense failed to get 21 points 10 out of the 13 games that Orton started at QB. Its funny that you would come to this conclusion about the Chargers and try to present it as some lame argument.

Do us all a favor. Walk outside and ask the first person that you see to punch you in the face.

DarkHorse30
08-28-2011, 08:08 PM
What's your (and anybody can chime in here) on why Fox/Elway are going with Orton over Tebow? If it's so clear that Orton is outperforming Tebow only because he's surrounded by first teamers isn't this also clear to them? Because they either disagree that we'd be as good or better with Tebow or they have some other motive, right? They do want to win football games, right?

Orton over Tebow because Orton is better and has more experience.

Fox is concentrating (and succeeding, I might add) on improving our defense above all else. Tebow can start games and win (he did last year), but why would Fox push Tebow out before he's ready? Orton is ready and is motivated to be the #1. I don't see any reason why Fox would push Tebow out there and start him unless Orton was unable to play. The entire Orton vs. Tebow debate was generated by bored football writers without much basis, really. Orton is healthy, he will start.

Archer81
08-28-2011, 08:15 PM
Orton over Tebow because Orton is better and has more experience.

Fox is concentrating (and succeeding, I might add) on improving our defense above all else. Tebow can start games and win (he did last year), but why would Fox push Tebow out before he's ready? Orton is ready and is motivated to be the #1. I don't see any reason why Fox would push Tebow out there and start him unless Orton was unable to play. The entire Orton vs. Tebow debate was generated by bored football writers without much basis, really. Orton is healthy, he will start.


He has more experience. I am not so sure about the "better" part. Tebow will get better. If that means sitting him while we go through what hopefully is the last year of the Orton experience, fine.

But I am really excited about the defense. It might not be the most dominant defense in the history of football, but they are showing signs of being massively improved over the last three years.

:Broncos:

Bronx33
08-28-2011, 08:18 PM
Watching the Raiders vs Saints game. Broncos can beat them on opening night.


I watched it as well their D is awful.

maven
08-28-2011, 09:28 PM
I watched it as well their D is awful.

Yep.

From my quick take of the game our worries will be stopping their run, especially up the middle. But, I'm stoked because I think Denver can beat them on Monday night.

NFLBRONCO
08-28-2011, 09:38 PM
I watched it as well their D is awful.

Let's realize something Saints O is ALOT better vs ours. So their bad D might be good vs us.

I do expect to beat the Raiders though

DENVERDUI55
08-28-2011, 09:52 PM
Many people have been critical of Orton for Denver's O only putting up 10 points in the first half. Fyi... the San Diego Chargers offense, with Rivers starting, scored 10 first half points against Seattle in the first preseason game. The Minnesota Vikings offense, with McNabb starting, scored 6 first half points against Seattle in the second preseason game (their D also scored a TD on an INT return). So neither San Diego's nor Minnesota's O's were much, if any, more productive against Seattle than Denver's was (although, to be fair, Rivers put up a TD on SD's first possession).

Well you can rationalize anything. I'd of never thought our worse home loss in history would of come last year.

HAT
08-28-2011, 09:56 PM
Well you can rationalize anything. I'd of never thought our worse home loss in history would of come last year.

http://naturescrusaders.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/pblue-whale-fluke.jpg

HAT
08-28-2011, 10:06 PM
Orton's getting confident!

“There’s not going to be too many teams that can close (us) down for four quarters."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/15492340

FYP?

Archer81
08-28-2011, 11:33 PM
Well you can rationalize anything. I'd of never thought our worse home loss in history would of come last year.


It didnt. 1996 divisional round in Denver against the 2 year old Jacksonville Jaguars was much worse.

Damn you Michael Dean Perry...


:Broncos:

maven
08-28-2011, 11:55 PM
It's down time as a Bronco fan when I've had to watch Orton start the past two years, and start this upcoming season.

myMind
08-29-2011, 12:30 AM
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