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24champ
08-26-2011, 12:13 PM
"I don't want to say Josh was a bad coach," Bowlen said. "He just didn't have the level of experience that made me comfortable.http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18760899

If you weren't comfortable with his experience, then why the **** did you hire him?

I wish someone at the DP had the balls to ask Bowlen if firing Shanahan was a mistake.

Dr. Broncenstein
08-26-2011, 12:20 PM
Seriously, do you guys have any doubt this man is senile?

OrangeSe7en
08-26-2011, 12:21 PM
When I read that earlier, I had the same reaction. It makes me kind of wonder if he's saying he had doubts but he listened to Ellis.

Man-Goblin
08-26-2011, 12:22 PM
You hired him, dude.

WolfpackGuy
08-26-2011, 12:22 PM
Pat was probably afraid McClueless would trade HIM too!

Dr. Broncenstein
08-26-2011, 12:22 PM
"A 10 in every category"

DomCasual
08-26-2011, 12:25 PM
In fairness, I'm convinced Bowlen didn't pull the trigger on that signing. My theory is that somehow, Bill Belichick got into Bronco HQ and did the whole deal.

ColoradoDarin
08-26-2011, 12:27 PM
Looks like Pat's hindsight is 20/20 still.

Dr. Broncenstein
08-26-2011, 12:30 PM
In fairness, I'm convinced Bowlen didn't pull the trigger on that signing. My theory is that somehow, Bill Belichick got into Bronco HQ and did the whole deal.

Also, I have a completely new level of respect for Belichick. Not only does he put together a tough team, but he manages to send out his colleagues to destroy his enemies via Trojan horses. Browns? Check. Jets? Check. Broncos? Boosh. Chiefs? Possibly an additional layer of punishment for the Broncos.

24champ
08-26-2011, 12:30 PM
"A 10 in every category"

"Guys like Josh are out there, and they've got a lot of horsepower and they're younger," Bowlen said. "The learning process has become a heck of a lot better. I can sense it. I can see it. You don't have to go out and hire a coach who's been a coach before or is a little older. There's a lot of young talent that's as good or better than a guy who has left the game and are getting older and now decide they want to get back in."


http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11437028

:rofl:

Pat's lost it man.

LittleFloyd
08-26-2011, 12:32 PM
I wasn't comfortable with McD either. But i'm just some dumb ol' season ticket holder.

Dagmar
08-26-2011, 12:34 PM
34 pages, jhns with the most posts, 1 person banned, no new information - my thread prediction.

RaiderH8r
08-26-2011, 12:37 PM
I don't think anybody could have possibly contemplated the train wreck McKid would become. I harshed the guy hard for shipping Cutler etc but he seemed to have his shT wired tight when he came out winning his first season and put us on the map...at least for a little while.

I think McKid does make for one hell of an interview. I'm sure he does a "wow" whiz bang presentation but the proof is in the pudding and now the guy's got some pudding. At some point down the road this heaping helping of humble pie could be the building block for a bright future for the guy. A lot of young prodigy types rarely get humbled that quickly and that harshly and when they do even fewer rebound from it. Those that do tend to put that learning experience to very good use. Prick will probably win 5 SBs. I hate that guy.

Dr. Broncenstein
08-26-2011, 12:40 PM
McD wasn't old enough and lacked requisite experience. Also, Shanahan had too much power and responsibility. So obviously you go out and hire the youngest rookie head coach, and give him too much power and responsibility.

We have a serious problem.

24champ
08-26-2011, 12:42 PM
34 pages, jhns with the most posts, 1 person banned, no new information - my thread prediction.

Kahn will get banned for talking about how the Freemason's are involved in Star Trek movies.

RaiderH8r
08-26-2011, 12:43 PM
McD wasn't old enough and lacked requisite experience. Also, Shanahan had too much power and responsibility. So obviously you go out and hire the youngest rookie head coach, and give him too much power and responsibility.

We have a serious problem.

And pair him up with the Dominos delivery boy and yeah, you get a problem.

I hate Xanders. I just hate the guy. If he's got talent I have yet to see it and I would really like to. Really really like to. I'm not even sure what he does but I am sure that whatever it is I can do it better. I guarantee it. Whatever Xanders can do I can do better. Ride a bike, screw his wife, raise his kids, do his job, make a steak. Pick it. RaiderH8r>Xanders.

BroncoSojia
08-26-2011, 12:43 PM
If he didn't think he had any experience why did he hire him? Better yet, why the hell did he put him in charge of nearly the entire team?

Dr. Broncenstein
08-26-2011, 12:44 PM
If he didn't think he had any experience why did he hire him? Better yet, why the hell did he put him in charge of nearly the entire team?

http://static.moviefanatic.com/images/gallery/the-big-lebowski-and-brandt.jpg

This is our concern, dude.

jhns
08-26-2011, 12:45 PM
34 pages, jhns with the most posts, 1 person banned, no new information - my thread prediction.

Sorry, your prediction will be off, at least until the thread is derailed.

The only resonse I have to Bowlens statement is: No ****...

24champ
08-26-2011, 12:48 PM
I don't think anybody could have possibly contemplated the train wreck McKid would become. I harshed the guy hard for shipping Cutler etc but he seemed to have his shT wired tight when he came out winning his first season and put us on the map...at least for a little while.

I think McKid does make for one hell of an interview. I'm sure he does a "wow" whiz bang presentation but the proof is in the pudding and now the guy's got some pudding. At some point down the road this heaping helping of humble pie could be the building block for a bright future for the guy. A lot of young prodigy types rarely get humbled that quickly and that harshly and when they do even fewer rebound from it. Those that do tend to put that learning experience to very good use. Prick will probably win 5 SBs. I hate that guy.

My problem isn't the fact McDaniels got canned for his poor record, my problem is that NOBODY in this organization takes responsibility for any of the **** ups that have occurred the last several years.

Xanders takes zero responsibility and neither does Ellis. Bowlen doing a spin job on his **** ups and doesn't acknowledge canning Shanny was a mistake.

WolfpackGuy
08-26-2011, 12:51 PM
"He needs another year to implement his plan!"

LOL

Garcia Bronco
08-26-2011, 12:55 PM
You hired him, dude.

I've hired people I wasn't too sure about ...it happens. Sometimes it works out and other times it doesn't,

TheReverend
08-26-2011, 12:55 PM
Why do people pretend Pat is involved in the decision process anymore?

Ellis did this.

Dr. Broncenstein
08-26-2011, 12:57 PM
My problem isn't the fact McDaniels got canned for his poor record, my problem is that NOBODY in this organization takes responsibility for any of the **** ups that have occurred the last several years.

Xanders takes zero responsibility and neither does Ellis. Bowlen doing a spin job on his **** ups and doesn't acknowledge canning Shanny was a mistake.

It's just plainly obvious to me that Pat is losing his marbles, and Ellis / Xanders have no business whatsoever in an NFL front office. Does Elway become owner by proxy in the next couple of years? Or does he become GM after some on the job training and canning Xanders? What in the hell does Ellis even do at this point?

24champ
08-26-2011, 12:58 PM
Why do people pretend Pat is involved in the decision process anymore?

Ellis did this.

Who put Ellis in charge and continues to employ him?


The organizational **** ups start at the top.

TheReverend
08-26-2011, 12:59 PM
Who put Ellis in charge and continues to employ him?


The organizational **** ups start at the top.

I don't disagree at all.

24champ
08-26-2011, 01:11 PM
Does Elway become owner by proxy in the next couple of years? Or does he become GM after some on the job training and canning Xanders? What in the hell does Ellis even do at this point?

I don't see Elway becoming Owner by proxy or Owner at all. Ellis is the team President. Can you believe that?

Ellis mostly deals with the Broncos finances as usual and has some say on football matters. So basically nothing changed, other than his official title.

theAPAOps5
08-26-2011, 01:15 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18760899

If you weren't comfortable with his experience, then why the **** did you hire him?

I wish someone at the DP had the balls to ask Bowlen if firing Shanahan was a mistake.

He will say nope, but hiring McD was.

gunns
08-26-2011, 01:18 PM
Also, I have a completely new level of respect for Belichick. Not only does he put together a tough team, but he manages to send out his colleagues to destroy his enemies via Trojan horses. Browns? Check. Jets? Check. Broncos? Boosh. Chiefs? Possibly an additional layer of punishment for the Broncos.

Yep, he was still pissed about the Broncos ruining the Pats perfect record in the playoffs during his reign. :)

McD wasn't my choice at all, wasn't pleased but gave him the benefit of the doubt UNTIL that draft. The stupid trade of a first rounder, heavily offensive, more of the same. I knew we were in trouble then. Pats owns a team and should have known better. Jim Schwartz, sigh.

TheReverend
08-26-2011, 01:25 PM
He will say nope, but hiring McD was.

This.

After all, Bowlen doesn't have any precedent for being right lately.

TheReverend
08-26-2011, 01:27 PM
Yep, he was still pissed about the Broncos ruining the Pats perfect record in the playoffs during his reign. :)

McD wasn't my choice at all, wasn't pleased but gave him the benefit of the doubt UNTIL that draft. The stupid trade of a first rounder, heavily offensive, more of the same. I knew we were in trouble then. Pats owns a team and should have known better. Jim Schwartz, sigh.

Why we couldn't possibly have brought down that Dynasty!

After all, I've read a good hundred thousand times we only won 1 playoff game wah wah wah wah wah

strafen
08-26-2011, 01:32 PM
In before somebody else posts the same thread later...

Pick Six
08-26-2011, 01:54 PM
Shanahan didn't have much experience, either...

TheReverend
08-26-2011, 01:59 PM
Shanahan didn't have much experience, either...

The better part of a decade working for the franchise, a couple seasons as a Head coach and a ring as an offensive coordinator, not to mention the endorsement of the franchise QB.

jhns
08-26-2011, 02:05 PM
Shanahan didn't have much experience, either...

What?

McDaniels: 2 years as offensive coordinator, a few years as a scout and defensive assistent, 0 years of head coach experience at any level

Shanahan: Multiple years as a head coach in college, like 15 years as offensive coordinator for two teams that made a lot of SBs with him, was also an NFL head coach before he became one here ...

OrangeSe7en
08-26-2011, 02:05 PM
The better part of a decade working for the franchise, a couple seasons as a Head coach and a ring as an offensive coordinator, not to mention the endorsement of the franchise QB.

...not to mention that he had worked for at least 3 different NFL franchises and was also an OC in college. So, he had been around enough to see different ways of doing things.

WolfpackGuy
08-26-2011, 02:07 PM
Shanahan was a PhD compared to that idiot 3rd grader.

Just because you know PowerPoint doesn't mean you can coach a damn NFL team.

24champ
08-26-2011, 02:10 PM
Speaking of Shanahan, his offense looked pretty good against the Ravens last night.

Bootlegs, playaction etc.

TheReverend
08-26-2011, 02:13 PM
Speaking of Shanahan, his offense looked pretty good against the Ravens last night.

Bootlegs, playaction etc.

Yup. I was certain Grossman locked the job up until Beck came out swinging in the 2nd half.

Who the **** knows how that ends up lol

Just glad I grabbed Hightower as a sleeper RB in fantasy last week

Archer81
08-26-2011, 02:13 PM
This matters now how?


:Broncos:

DENVERDUI55
08-26-2011, 02:13 PM
Pat got drunk and had a coyote ugly hiring with MCD.

OrangeSe7en
08-26-2011, 02:14 PM
"Guys like Josh are out there, and they've got a lot of horsepower and they're younger," Bowlen said. "The learning process has become a heck of a lot better. I can sense it. I can see it. You don't have to go out and hire a coach who's been a coach before or is a little older. There's a lot of young talent that's as good or better than a guy who has left the game and are getting older and now decide they want to get back in."


http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11437028

:rofl:

Pat's lost it man.

Man, you're all over this. Hats off to you. I hope the local media does what you're doing.

serious hops
08-26-2011, 02:16 PM
And pair him up with the Dominos delivery boy and yeah, you get a problem.

I hate Xanders. I just hate the guy. If he's got talent I have yet to see it and I would really like to. Really really like to. I'm not even sure what he does but I am sure that whatever it is I can do it better. I guarantee it. Whatever Xanders can do I can do better. Ride a bike, screw his wife, raise his kids, do his job, make a steak. Pick it. RaiderH8r>Xanders.



http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/9122/x350b.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/193/x350b.jpg/)

Dr. Broncenstein
08-26-2011, 02:17 PM
This matters now how?


:Broncos:

That the statements made by the owner are clearly in line with senility.

bendog
08-26-2011, 02:17 PM
shanahan had more experience than Tiny. To say otherwise is .... not informed. But, just because McDouche was a disaster doesn't mean firing shanny was wrong. The defense was NOT getting better. Look at the trainwreck in Wash. Sometimes coaches coach too long. Paul Brown turned over his team to Bill Johnson rather than Bill Walsh. George halas should have retired decades before he did.

Nobody bowlen's age has the abilities he did when he was 45. I don't know if he's got dementia, but it's obvious he's got enough faculties left to know neither he, Ellis, or his kid can run a NFL franchise, and turning to Elway was the obvious choice. It seemed to me that the initial mistake was giving Shanny the last extension. Shanny's probably still a great OC, but he's poison to defenses, and the only reason his personnel moves may not look so bad is that we had McDouche making them instead.

Blueflame
08-26-2011, 02:20 PM
I don't think anybody could have possibly contemplated the train wreck McKid would become. I harshed the guy hard for shipping Cutler etc but he seemed to have his shT wired tight when he came out winning his first season and put us on the map...at least for a little while.

I think McKid does make for one hell of an interview. I'm sure he does a "wow" whiz bang presentation but the proof is in the pudding and now the guy's got some pudding. At some point down the road this heaping helping of humble pie could be the building block for a bright future for the guy. A lot of young prodigy types rarely get humbled that quickly and that harshly and when they do even fewer rebound from it. Those that do tend to put that learning experience to very good use. Prick will probably win 5 SBs. I hate that guy.

Some of us did foresee just how bad he had the potential to be for the Broncos, RaiderH8r... we were just shouted down and told to STFU and that we were full of it.

Blueflame
08-26-2011, 02:24 PM
Why do people pretend Pat is involved in the decision process anymore?

Ellis did this.

Then Ellis needs to be fired.

TheReverend
08-26-2011, 02:25 PM
shanahan had more experience than Tiny. To say otherwise is .... not informed. But, just because McDouche was a disaster doesn't mean firing shanny was wrong. The defense was NOT getting better. Look at the trainwreck in Wash

...and stopped reading.

Congrats on your heightened state of ignorance!

jhns
08-26-2011, 02:27 PM
Shanahan didn't have much experience, either...

You should really learn the history of the best coach this franchise has ever had.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/coaches?coaType=head&team=WAS

Mike Shanahan was hired as the Washington Redskins Executive Vice President/Head Coach on Jan. 6, 2010. He is the 28th head coach in franchise history.

Shanahan’s 146 regular season wins as an NFL head coach are the 17th-most in history and the second-most among active coaches, trailing only Bill Belichick’s 148. Including eight postseason victories, Shanahan’s 154 overall wins are tied for 16th all-time and are also second among active coaches to Belichick’s 163. In 16 seasons as a head coach with the Denver Broncos (1995-2008) and the Los Angeles Raiders (1988-89), Shanahan has a regular season winning percentage of .598 (146-98) and an overall winning percentage of .615 (154-103).

During his tenure with the Broncos, Shanahan guided the franchise to two Super Bowl victories, three conference championship game appearances, seven postseason berths and nine winning seasons. Along with Vince Lombardi, Don Shula, Chuck Noll, Jimmy Johnson and Belichick, he is one of six coaches with back-to-back Super Bowl championships.

During his 25-year NFL coaching career, Shanahan has been a part of teams that have played in 10 AFC or NFC Championship Games. He has coached in six Super Bowls, including five with Denver and Super Bowl XXIX with San Francisco. In his nine seasons coaching at the collegiate level, Shanahan’s teams participated in eight bowl games and won two national championships (Oklahoma -- 1975 and Eastern Illinois -- 1978).

Shanahan, 57, led Denver to 138 regular-season victories in 14 seasons, a win total that marks the 10th-most by a head coach with one franchise in NFL history. Among the nine coaches who have more wins with one club than Shanahan, all eight who are eligible for the Pro Football Hall of Fame have been honored with membership.

Over his last 16 years (1995-2008 in Denver and 1992-94 in San Francisco), Shanahan’s offenses have finished No. 1 in the NFL four times, No. 2 three times, No. 3 three times and No. 4 once. In his 14 seasons in Denver, the Broncos led the NFL in total yards (83,771), rushing yards (30,993) and first downs (4,678) and ranked third in points scored (5,449).

Shanahan’s 138 regular season wins, 146 overall wins, .616 winning percentage in the regular season and overall are all the best by a head coach in Denver history and include an 83-29 (.741) home record in regular-season play.

In Shanahan’s 118 home regular-season and playoff games tenure with the Broncos, Denver scored 30 or more points 47 times and 20 or more points 94 times. Including road games, in his 221 overall games as Denver’s head coach, the Broncos have scored 30 or more points 83 times and 20 or more points 169 times. Denver’s record in the 83 games in which it has scored 30 or more points under Shanahan is 79-4 (4-0 in playoff competition), including a 46-1 mark (2-0 in postseason) at home.

Shanahan was hired as Denver’s head coach on Jan. 31, 1995, and later added the responsibilities of Executive Vice President of Football Operations in 1998. Under his guidance, the Broncos became one of the most accomplished franchises in the NFL. Some of their achievements are included below:

* Became one of three clubs in the NFL (New England, Pittsburgh) to win multiple Super Bowls since 1995, with back-to-back victories in Super Bowl XXXII and XXXIII (1997-98).
* Shanahan’s 138 regular-season wins with Denver from 1995-2008 were most by an NFL coach over that span and gave the Broncos the league’s fourth-best record (138-86/.616) during that time.
* Established the record most wins in pro football history in a two-year period with33 from 1997-98 (New England since won 34 from 2003-04).
* Posted the most wins in pro football history in a three-year period (46 from 1996-98).
* Won the most playoff games in pro football history over a two-year period with seven from 1997-98.
* Won 18 consecutive games, including playoffs, from 1997-98 to tie a then all-time NFL record for consecutive victories (New England won 21 in 2003-04). The Broncos went undefeated for a calendar year during that streak from Dec. 15, 1997, until Dec. 13, 1998.
* Went undefeated at home for three consecutive regular seasons (1996-98), becoming just the second team ever to be undefeated and untied at home in three consecutive years.
* Posted a 22-2 record in their final 24 games during the back-to-back title years.
* Had an offense ranked in the top five in the NFL in nine of 14 seasons.
* Totaled the most overall yards in the NFL (83,771 yds., 374.0 ypg.).
* Recorded the most rushing yards in the NFL (30,993 yds., 138.4 ypg.).
* Recorded seventh-most passing yards in the NFL (50,067 yds., 223.5 ypg.).
* Scored the third-most points in the NFL (5,449 pts., 24.3 ppg.).
* Registered the best home record in the NFL during regular-season play (83-29/.741).
* Posted a 79-4 (.952) record when scoring 30 or more points (4-0 in postseason), a total that includes a 46-1 (.979) mark in home games (2-0 in postseason).
* Totaled a 110-30 (.785) record when registering an even or positive turnover ratio, including a 40-4 (.909) mark with a turnover ratio of +2 or better.

In Shanahan’s final season in Denver in 2008, the Broncos led the AFC and finished second in the NFL in total offense, averaging 400.4 yards per game. They were third in the league in passing yards with 4,471, while ranking second with a 4.8-yards per rush average. Denver 8.3 yards per play average was the best in the NFL.

In 2006, Shanahan coached through his 200th career regular-season game, and his 125 wins at that milestone are tied for the fourth-most by a coach in the Super Bowl era (since 1966). The year also marked Denver’s fifth consecutive winning season (9-7), a total that tied a franchise record.

From 2003-05 Shanahan’s Broncos qualified for the playoffs all three seasons, winning at least 10 games all three season, including a league-best 13-3 mark in 2005. That club earned a first-round bye in the playoffs and defeated defending champion New England in the divisional round, before falling to eventual Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh in the AFC Championship Game. In 2004, Shanahan joined the exclusive club of head coaches to post 100 wins in his first 10 seasons with one club, finishing the campaign and decade tied for fourth on this list of 12 coaches, seven of whom are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. From 2000-02, Denver had a combined record of 28-20 and never had a losing campaign. Its offense ranked in the top three in the NFL in two of those three seasons.

In his third and fourth seasons at the helm of the Denver Broncos in 1997 and 1998, Shanahan led the Broncos to their first Super Bowl victories and in 1998 became the only coach in NFL history to fashion seven postseason wins in a two-year period. In 1998, the defending world champions stormed to their second consecutive title with an offense that scored 501 points and finished third in the NFL in total yards. During the Broncos Super Bowl run, their defense allowed just 25 points and two touchdowns while sparking a remarkable +12 turnover ratio (13 takeaways, 1 giveaway) in the playoffs.

The 1998 Broncos set team records with 14 regular season and 17 overall wins, starting off with a 13-0 record and marking Denver as a team that went an entire calendar year without a loss. The club produced 596 regular season and postseason points for the seventh-highest mark in league annals at the time (currently ninth all-time). With Shanahan coordinating their offense, the 1994 World Champion San Francisco 49ers set a then-NFL record with 636 points for the regular season and playoffs, a total that now stands second to the New England Patriots’ 655 points scored in 2007.

Ten Broncos were named to the Pro Bowl following the 1998 season and Shanahan was named AFC Coach of the Year by the Kansas City 101 Club and by the Touchdown Club of Columbus (his second time to be honored by each organization). In the historical 1998 season, Shanahan became the first coach in history to win two Super Bowl titles in his first four years coaching a team and is the only coach to have directed two different teams to a 500-point season (the 1998 Broncos scored 501 points, and Shanahan helped San Francisco in 1994 score 505 points as offensive coordinator). The 500-point mark has only been reached 12 times overall in pro football history.

In 1997, Shanahan directed a Denver offense that scored a total of 583 points (29.2 per game) during the entire 1997 season, the fifth-highest total in NFL history at the time (currently 10th all-time) and the second-highest total in AFC history at the time (currently fourth all-time) for a combined regular season and postseason. Shanahan led his team to a 12-4 regular season record, marking the first time in franchise history that the Broncos won 12 or more games in back-to-back seasons.

His high-powered offense reached 30 points a franchise-record nine times during the 1997 regular season and twice in the postseason. Denver also broke the franchise record for most points in a season (previously 391 in 1996) in just its 13th game of 1997 and broke the record for most touchdowns in a season (previously 47 in 1996) in just its 14th game that year.

Shanahan led his 1996 club to a franchise and NFL-best 13-3 record, earning both NFL Coach of the Year (Touchdown Club of Columbus) and AFC Coach of the Year (Kansas City 101 Club) honors that season. Denver led the entire NFL in total offense in 1996.

That year, the Broncos were undefeated in October and November as they ultimately built their record to 12-1 in clinching their division title and playoff berth on Dec. 1, thus becoming one of the earliest teams to clinch in NFL history.

In his first season as the Denver Broncos’ head coach in 1995, Shanahan improved the team to a .500 record (8-8) and contention in the very competitive AFC West. He immediately stamped his signature as the Denver offense became the most productive unit in the AFC and finished third in the entire NFL. The unit set team records in points scored (388), total yardage (6,040), total passing yardage (4,260), first downs passing (205) and highest average gain per play (5.7) while tying the team records for touchdown passes (27) and average gain per rush (4.5). At the same time, the Broncos’ defense improved 13 positions, from last in the NFL the previous year to 15th under Shanahan’s leadership.

Shanahan arrived in Denver from the World Champion San Francisco 49ers, where he served as offensive coordinator for three seasons (1992-94).

The 49ers’ offense reached unprecedented levels under his leadership. San Francisco’s three-year offensive averages under Shanahan’s direction were the most productive in the history of pro football. His three-year averages included being number one in the NFL in total points (469.7 per year), total touchdowns (60.3), rushing touchdowns (23.7), passing touchdowns (31.7), third-down efficiency (48.5%), total offense (6,230 yds.) and average yards per play (6.2).

His three-year period as offensive coordinator included the 49ers setting numerous team records during that time, including the first time ever that San Francisco led the NFL in total offense in consecutive seasons (1993 and 1994). It also set records for most touchdowns (66), passing yards (4,302), total offense (6,435 yds.), first downs (372), completion percentage (70.3) and average yards per play (6.3).

San Francisco quarterback Steve Young re-wrote many NFL passing records and was named the NFL Most Valuable Player twice in his three years under Shanahan’s guidance in addition to throwing for six touchdowns and earning Super Bowl XXIX Most Valuable Player honors.

A driving force behind the Broncos’ offense for all three of their Super Bowl appearances in the 1980s (following the 1986, 1987 and 1989 seasons), Shanahan first came to Denver in 1984 as the club’s wide receivers coach and served as offensive coordinator from 1985-87.

He then returned to Denver as quarterbacks coach on Oct. 16, 1989, after serving as head coach of the Los Angeles Raiders in 1988 and through the first four games of the 1989 campaign. Shanahan inherited a Raiders team that was 5-10 in 1987 and improved it to 7-9 his first season. He was dismissed after starting 1-3 the following year. Shanahan began his coaching career as an offensive assistant at Oklahoma from 1975-76. The Sooners won the national championship in his first year on its staff.

Shanahan was Northern Arizona’s backfield coach in 1977 at the age of 24, and the Lumberjacks averaged a school-record 391.1 yards per game that season. A year later, Shanahan returned to Eastern Illinois as offensive coordinator and helped guide his alma mater to the Division II title. The year before Shanahan’s arrival, the team was 1-10. In 1979, he served as offensive coordinator at Minnesota, where he implemented the run-and-shoot offense to help the Golden Gophers set 40 school offensive records. Shanahan became the offensive coordinator at Florida the following year, inheriting the second-poorest offense in Division I football as well as a team record of 0-10-1. In Shanahan’s four years at Florida, the team broke many offensive school records and went to four consecutive bowl games. During his stint as a college coach, his teams had a combined record of 78-29-2 (.725).

A native of Oak Park, Ill. (born 8/24/52), Michael Edward Shanahan attended East Leyden High School in Franklin Park, Ill., where was voted athlete of the year as well as most valuable player in both football and track.

He received a scholarship to Eastern Illinois University, where he played quarterback before losing a kidney in the spring game of his junior year. He received his bachelor’s and master’s degrees at EIU.

Mike and his wife, Peggy, have two children -- son Kyle, and daughter Krystal

bendog
08-26-2011, 02:30 PM
...and stopped reading.

Congrats on your heightened state of ignorance!

go for the insult everytime, azzhole cornhusker.

Check with me in Jan fk head. Rex Grossman lost a comptetion to Orton.

TheReverend
08-26-2011, 02:32 PM
go for the insult everytime, azzhole cornhusker.

Check with me in Jan fk head. Rex Grossman lost a comptetion to Orton.

Yup.

I'M the one going for insults...

:spit:

PS. Grossman also beat Orton in 4 other QB competitions...

Eldorado
08-26-2011, 02:34 PM
TheRev is a Nebraska fan? :crushed:

TheReverend
08-26-2011, 02:35 PM
TheRev is a Nebraska fan? :crushed:

No. Bendog is just really stupid.

Blueflame
08-26-2011, 02:35 PM
You should really learn the history of the best coach this franchise has ever had.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/coaches?coaType=head&team=WAS

Mike Shanahan was hired as the Washington Redskins Executive Vice President/Head Coach on Jan. 6, 2010. He is the 28th head coach in franchise history.

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Mike and his wife, Peggy, have two children -- son Kyle, and daughter Krystal

You do realize no one's gonna read that long of a post, right?

CEH
08-26-2011, 02:35 PM
Yup. I was certain Grossman locked the job up until Beck came out swinging in the 2nd half.

Who the **** knows how that ends up lol

Just glad I grabbed Hightower as a sleeper RB in fantasy last week

Book it John Beck will start for Washington

TheReverend
08-26-2011, 02:36 PM
Book it John Beck will start for Washington

Gruden had a mega boner over him in the MNF game, but Rexy just looked good to me.

I dunno, I think I expect to see both play this year.

DBroncos4life
08-26-2011, 02:36 PM
No. Bendog is just really stupid.

Nobody is prefect :D

bendog
08-26-2011, 02:38 PM
But to take you w/o the insult, Rev (not too christian there, laddy) Beck may be a good qb, and when Grossman came out of college he seemed a natural for shanahan's offense. But the pt was he gave the large to McNabb and finally had the personnel for a 4-3.

Eldorado
08-26-2011, 02:41 PM
No. Bendog is just really stupid.

Good. Cause for a minute there you were dead to me.

jhns
08-26-2011, 02:42 PM
You do realize no one's gonna read that long of a post, right?

I just finished. You all should though. It goes over a ton of Bronco history, including many records and accomplishments.

BroncoSojia
08-26-2011, 02:44 PM
You should really learn the history of the best coach this franchise has ever had.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/coaches?coaType=head&team=WAS

Mike Shanahan was hired as the Washington Redskins Executive Vice President/Head Coach on Jan. 6, 2010. He is the 28th head coach in franchise history.

Shanahan’s 146 regular season wins as an NFL head coach are the 17th-most in history and the second-most among active coaches, trailing only Bill Belichick’s 148. Including eight postseason victories, Shanahan’s 154 overall wins are tied for 16th all-time and are also second among active coaches to Belichick’s 163. In 16 seasons as a head coach with the Denver Broncos (1995-2008) and the Los Angeles Raiders (1988-89), Shanahan has a regular season winning percentage of .598 (146-98) and an overall winning percentage of .615 (154-103).

During his tenure with the Broncos, Shanahan guided the franchise to two Super Bowl victories, three conference championship game appearances, seven postseason berths and nine winning seasons. Along with Vince Lombardi, Don Shula, Chuck Noll, Jimmy Johnson and Belichick, he is one of six coaches with back-to-back Super Bowl championships.

During his 25-year NFL coaching career, Shanahan has been a part of teams that have played in 10 AFC or NFC Championship Games. He has coached in six Super Bowls, including five with Denver and Super Bowl XXIX with San Francisco. In his nine seasons coaching at the collegiate level, Shanahan’s teams participated in eight bowl games and won two national championships (Oklahoma -- 1975 and Eastern Illinois -- 1978).

Shanahan, 57, led Denver to 138 regular-season victories in 14 seasons, a win total that marks the 10th-most by a head coach with one franchise in NFL history. Among the nine coaches who have more wins with one club than Shanahan, all eight who are eligible for the Pro Football Hall of Fame have been honored with membership.

Over his last 16 years (1995-2008 in Denver and 1992-94 in San Francisco), Shanahan’s offenses have finished No. 1 in the NFL four times, No. 2 three times, No. 3 three times and No. 4 once. In his 14 seasons in Denver, the Broncos led the NFL in total yards (83,771), rushing yards (30,993) and first downs (4,678) and ranked third in points scored (5,449).

Shanahan’s 138 regular season wins, 146 overall wins, .616 winning percentage in the regular season and overall are all the best by a head coach in Denver history and include an 83-29 (.741) home record in regular-season play.

In Shanahan’s 118 home regular-season and playoff games tenure with the Broncos, Denver scored 30 or more points 47 times and 20 or more points 94 times. Including road games, in his 221 overall games as Denver’s head coach, the Broncos have scored 30 or more points 83 times and 20 or more points 169 times. Denver’s record in the 83 games in which it has scored 30 or more points under Shanahan is 79-4 (4-0 in playoff competition), including a 46-1 mark (2-0 in postseason) at home.

Shanahan was hired as Denver’s head coach on Jan. 31, 1995, and later added the responsibilities of Executive Vice President of Football Operations in 1998. Under his guidance, the Broncos became one of the most accomplished franchises in the NFL. Some of their achievements are included below:

* Became one of three clubs in the NFL (New England, Pittsburgh) to win multiple Super Bowls since 1995, with back-to-back victories in Super Bowl XXXII and XXXIII (1997-98).
* Shanahan’s 138 regular-season wins with Denver from 1995-2008 were most by an NFL coach over that span and gave the Broncos the league’s fourth-best record (138-86/.616) during that time.
* Established the record most wins in pro football history in a two-year period with33 from 1997-98 (New England since won 34 from 2003-04).
* Posted the most wins in pro football history in a three-year period (46 from 1996-98).
* Won the most playoff games in pro football history over a two-year period with seven from 1997-98.
* Won 18 consecutive games, including playoffs, from 1997-98 to tie a then all-time NFL record for consecutive victories (New England won 21 in 2003-04). The Broncos went undefeated for a calendar year during that streak from Dec. 15, 1997, until Dec. 13, 1998.
* Went undefeated at home for three consecutive regular seasons (1996-98), becoming just the second team ever to be undefeated and untied at home in three consecutive years.
* Posted a 22-2 record in their final 24 games during the back-to-back title years.
* Had an offense ranked in the top five in the NFL in nine of 14 seasons.
* Totaled the most overall yards in the NFL (83,771 yds., 374.0 ypg.).
* Recorded the most rushing yards in the NFL (30,993 yds., 138.4 ypg.).
* Recorded seventh-most passing yards in the NFL (50,067 yds., 223.5 ypg.).
* Scored the third-most points in the NFL (5,449 pts., 24.3 ppg.).
* Registered the best home record in the NFL during regular-season play (83-29/.741).
* Posted a 79-4 (.952) record when scoring 30 or more points (4-0 in postseason), a total that includes a 46-1 (.979) mark in home games (2-0 in postseason).
* Totaled a 110-30 (.785) record when registering an even or positive turnover ratio, including a 40-4 (.909) mark with a turnover ratio of +2 or better.

In Shanahan’s final season in Denver in 2008, the Broncos led the AFC and finished second in the NFL in total offense, averaging 400.4 yards per game. They were third in the league in passing yards with 4,471, while ranking second with a 4.8-yards per rush average. Denver 8.3 yards per play average was the best in the NFL.

In 2006, Shanahan coached through his 200th career regular-season game, and his 125 wins at that milestone are tied for the fourth-most by a coach in the Super Bowl era (since 1966). The year also marked Denver’s fifth consecutive winning season (9-7), a total that tied a franchise record.

From 2003-05 Shanahan’s Broncos qualified for the playoffs all three seasons, winning at least 10 games all three season, including a league-best 13-3 mark in 2005. That club earned a first-round bye in the playoffs and defeated defending champion New England in the divisional round, before falling to eventual Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh in the AFC Championship Game. In 2004, Shanahan joined the exclusive club of head coaches to post 100 wins in his first 10 seasons with one club, finishing the campaign and decade tied for fourth on this list of 12 coaches, seven of whom are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. From 2000-02, Denver had a combined record of 28-20 and never had a losing campaign. Its offense ranked in the top three in the NFL in two of those three seasons.

In his third and fourth seasons at the helm of the Denver Broncos in 1997 and 1998, Shanahan led the Broncos to their first Super Bowl victories and in 1998 became the only coach in NFL history to fashion seven postseason wins in a two-year period. In 1998, the defending world champions stormed to their second consecutive title with an offense that scored 501 points and finished third in the NFL in total yards. During the Broncos Super Bowl run, their defense allowed just 25 points and two touchdowns while sparking a remarkable +12 turnover ratio (13 takeaways, 1 giveaway) in the playoffs.

The 1998 Broncos set team records with 14 regular season and 17 overall wins, starting off with a 13-0 record and marking Denver as a team that went an entire calendar year without a loss. The club produced 596 regular season and postseason points for the seventh-highest mark in league annals at the time (currently ninth all-time). With Shanahan coordinating their offense, the 1994 World Champion San Francisco 49ers set a then-NFL record with 636 points for the regular season and playoffs, a total that now stands second to the New England Patriots’ 655 points scored in 2007.

Ten Broncos were named to the Pro Bowl following the 1998 season and Shanahan was named AFC Coach of the Year by the Kansas City 101 Club and by the Touchdown Club of Columbus (his second time to be honored by each organization). In the historical 1998 season, Shanahan became the first coach in history to win two Super Bowl titles in his first four years coaching a team and is the only coach to have directed two different teams to a 500-point season (the 1998 Broncos scored 501 points, and Shanahan helped San Francisco in 1994 score 505 points as offensive coordinator). The 500-point mark has only been reached 12 times overall in pro football history.

In 1997, Shanahan directed a Denver offense that scored a total of 583 points (29.2 per game) during the entire 1997 season, the fifth-highest total in NFL history at the time (currently 10th all-time) and the second-highest total in AFC history at the time (currently fourth all-time) for a combined regular season and postseason. Shanahan led his team to a 12-4 regular season record, marking the first time in franchise history that the Broncos won 12 or more games in back-to-back seasons.

His high-powered offense reached 30 points a franchise-record nine times during the 1997 regular season and twice in the postseason. Denver also broke the franchise record for most points in a season (previously 391 in 1996) in just its 13th game of 1997 and broke the record for most touchdowns in a season (previously 47 in 1996) in just its 14th game that year.

Shanahan led his 1996 club to a franchise and NFL-best 13-3 record, earning both NFL Coach of the Year (Touchdown Club of Columbus) and AFC Coach of the Year (Kansas City 101 Club) honors that season. Denver led the entire NFL in total offense in 1996.

That year, the Broncos were undefeated in October and November as they ultimately built their record to 12-1 in clinching their division title and playoff berth on Dec. 1, thus becoming one of the earliest teams to clinch in NFL history.

In his first season as the Denver Broncos’ head coach in 1995, Shanahan improved the team to a .500 record (8-8) and contention in the very competitive AFC West. He immediately stamped his signature as the Denver offense became the most productive unit in the AFC and finished third in the entire NFL. The unit set team records in points scored (388), total yardage (6,040), total passing yardage (4,260), first downs passing (205) and highest average gain per play (5.7) while tying the team records for touchdown passes (27) and average gain per rush (4.5). At the same time, the Broncos’ defense improved 13 positions, from last in the NFL the previous year to 15th under Shanahan’s leadership.

Shanahan arrived in Denver from the World Champion San Francisco 49ers, where he served as offensive coordinator for three seasons (1992-94).

The 49ers’ offense reached unprecedented levels under his leadership. San Francisco’s three-year offensive averages under Shanahan’s direction were the most productive in the history of pro football. His three-year averages included being number one in the NFL in total points (469.7 per year), total touchdowns (60.3), rushing touchdowns (23.7), passing touchdowns (31.7), third-down efficiency (48.5%), total offense (6,230 yds.) and average yards per play (6.2).

His three-year period as offensive coordinator included the 49ers setting numerous team records during that time, including the first time ever that San Francisco led the NFL in total offense in consecutive seasons (1993 and 1994). It also set records for most touchdowns (66), passing yards (4,302), total offense (6,435 yds.), first downs (372), completion percentage (70.3) and average yards per play (6.3).

San Francisco quarterback Steve Young re-wrote many NFL passing records and was named the NFL Most Valuable Player twice in his three years under Shanahan’s guidance in addition to throwing for six touchdowns and earning Super Bowl XXIX Most Valuable Player honors.

A driving force behind the Broncos’ offense for all three of their Super Bowl appearances in the 1980s (following the 1986, 1987 and 1989 seasons), Shanahan first came to Denver in 1984 as the club’s wide receivers coach and served as offensive coordinator from 1985-87.

He then returned to Denver as quarterbacks coach on Oct. 16, 1989, after serving as head coach of the Los Angeles Raiders in 1988 and through the first four games of the 1989 campaign. Shanahan inherited a Raiders team that was 5-10 in 1987 and improved it to 7-9 his first season. He was dismissed after starting 1-3 the following year. Shanahan began his coaching career as an offensive assistant at Oklahoma from 1975-76. The Sooners won the national championship in his first year on its staff.

Shanahan was Northern Arizona’s backfield coach in 1977 at the age of 24, and the Lumberjacks averaged a school-record 391.1 yards per game that season. A year later, Shanahan returned to Eastern Illinois as offensive coordinator and helped guide his alma mater to the Division II title. The year before Shanahan’s arrival, the team was 1-10. In 1979, he served as offensive coordinator at Minnesota, where he implemented the run-and-shoot offense to help the Golden Gophers set 40 school offensive records. Shanahan became the offensive coordinator at Florida the following year, inheriting the second-poorest offense in Division I football as well as a team record of 0-10-1. In Shanahan’s four years at Florida, the team broke many offensive school records and went to four consecutive bowl games. During his stint as a college coach, his teams had a combined record of 78-29-2 (.725).

A native of Oak Park, Ill. (born 8/24/52), Michael Edward Shanahan attended East Leyden High School in Franklin Park, Ill., where was voted athlete of the year as well as most valuable player in both football and track.

He received a scholarship to Eastern Illinois University, where he played quarterback before losing a kidney in the spring game of his junior year. He received his bachelor’s and master’s degrees at EIU.

Mike and his wife, Peggy, have two children -- son Kyle, and daughter Krystal


I just wanted an excuse to post this

http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/newsfeed/000/154/912/berneydidnotread.gif?1311814950

TheReverend
08-26-2011, 02:51 PM
But to take you w/o the insult, Rev (not too christian there, laddy) Beck may be a good qb, and when Grossman came out of college he seemed a natural for shanahan's offense. But the pt was he gave the large to McNabb and finally had the personnel for a 4-3.

I'm not Christian...

Jesus are you stupid.

And he spent his year off looking at 3-4 teams... what did you think that meant? Quite frankly, it's a BETTER fit for a guy like Orakpo.

broncosteven
08-26-2011, 02:54 PM
I would have thought Bowlen would have put his foot down or realized his mistake when mCd wanted to bring in Wink who had no NFL experience after running a guy out of town who was a successful DC and had experience as an HC.

24champ
08-26-2011, 02:55 PM
Yup. I was certain Grossman locked the job up until Beck came out swinging in the 2nd half.

Who the **** knows how that ends up lol

Just glad I grabbed Hightower as a sleeper RB in fantasy last week

Yeah and wasn't a vanilla defense the Redskins were facing either. Beck and Grossman were dealing with a lot of blitzes. Just goes to show that Shanny can make average-below average QBs look real good in his schemes.

24champ
08-26-2011, 02:57 PM
I would have thought Bowlen would have put his foot down or realized his mistake when mCd wanted to bring in Wink who had no NFL experience after running a guy out of town who was a successful DC and had experience as an HC.

Truth be told, Bowlen should have put his foot down the second Cutler started whining about how Jeremy Bates should stay.

TheReverend
08-26-2011, 02:57 PM
Yeah and wasn't a vanilla defense the Redskins were facing either. Beck and Grossman were dealing with a lot of blitzes. Just goes to show that Shanny can make average-below average QBs look real good in his schemes.

...unless it's Kellen Clemens Ha!

broncosteven
08-26-2011, 03:05 PM
Truth be told, Bowlen should have put his foot down the second Cutler started whining about how Jeremy Bates should stay.

True

cutthemdown
08-26-2011, 03:11 PM
Who cares because Fox and Elway are good hires IMO. I've moved on I suggest all of you do as well. It will be a funner ride out of the cellar if you enjoy it instead of just bitching about how we made a ton of mistakes.

Right now a couple of the draft picks looking good, Doom is back, the coaching staff seems competent and Elway will make sure we don't do anything super stupid. Sure he has a lot to learn but he loves the Broncos, just like we do.

ZONA
08-26-2011, 03:17 PM
http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/attachment/kratos-vs-jesus-and-god-1657.jpg

Pick Six
08-26-2011, 03:19 PM
You do realize no one's gonna read that long of a post, right?

I just skipped to the relevant parts.

Now...Shanahan's college coaching experience means very little to me, since the college game and the NFL game are two different monsters. Taking the college experience out of the equation, McDaniels and Shanahan came from very similar backgrounds. Both were offensive coordinators for high-powered offenses, and both were failures in their first tenure as an NFL coach. PLUS, both coaches were fired before the season ended. My point still stands...

jhns
08-26-2011, 03:24 PM
I just skipped to the relevant parts.

Now...Shanahan's college coaching experience means very little to me, since the college game and the NFL game are two different monsters. Taking the college experience out of the equation, McDaniels and Shanahan came from very similar backgrounds. Both were offensive coordinators for high-powered offenses, and both were failures in their first tenure as an NFL coach. PLUS, both coaches were fired before the season ended. My point still stands...

No it doesn't. Shanahan still had many more years of NFL experience. When I say many, I mean more than McDaniels has even now, by multiple years. It was also on multiple successful teams.

Blueflame
08-26-2011, 03:26 PM
Who cares because Fox and Elway are good hires IMO. I've moved on I suggest all of you do as well. It will be a funner ride out of the cellar if you enjoy it instead of just b****ing about how we made a ton of mistakes.

Right now a couple of the draft picks looking good, Doom is back, the coaching staff seems competent and Elway will make sure we don't do anything super stupid. Sure he has a lot to learn but he loves the Broncos, just like we do.

We aren't just b*tching though, Cut. We're discussing an article in today's DPO...

Totally agree that there's ample cause for optimism in the upcoming season.

Lestat
08-26-2011, 03:29 PM
all that article told me was that McDaniels should have never been given the keys to the kingdom. he may have been fine as the HC but he should never, ever, ever have been given GM powers.

DrFate
08-26-2011, 03:48 PM
Gruden had a mega boner over him in the MNF game, but Rexy just looked good to me.

I dunno, I think I expect to see both play this year.

I think Beck has better tools (more athletic, better arm)

broncosteven
08-26-2011, 04:00 PM
all that article told me was that McDaniels should have never been given the keys to the kingdom. he may have been fine as the OC but he should never, ever, ever have been given GM powers.

Fixed it for you

Lestat
08-26-2011, 05:06 PM
while i do agree with what you said. he'd have never come here for less than the HC job. we have to remember he was one of the hottest coaching candidates in the NFL during that time span.

of course considering i wanted Frazier,Garrett or Morris as the HC i wasn't considered very sane at the time.
Fixed it for you

Tombstone RJ
08-26-2011, 05:52 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18760899

If you weren't comfortable with his experience, then why the **** did you hire him?

I wish someone at the DP had the balls to ask Bowlen if firing Shanahan was a mistake.

Firing Shanahan was the right thing to do. Not having a NLF Football front office with a damn once Shanny vacated was the problem. Pat simply did not think the firing through and he did not have an ability to fill the vacuum Shanny left in order to help the inexperienced McD.

It was a cluster and putting McD into that cluster is more of a indication of the ineptness of Bowlen and Ellis than anything else.

vanbrugh
08-26-2011, 06:02 PM
Does anybody have a picture of the old man in the draft room in his pjs - just wow

baja
08-26-2011, 06:17 PM
McD wasn't old enough and lacked requisite experience. Also, Shanahan had too much power and responsibility. So obviously you go out and hire the youngest rookie head coach, and give him too much power and responsibility.

We have a serious problem.

Haven't read the rest of the thread but So. Cal. is gonna go off on this article.

It has been clear Bowlen has been struggling for some time now. Guess we are going to see what Elway has as a defacto team owner.

I would love to get a candid take from Nolan on Josh McDaniels.

HAT
08-26-2011, 06:17 PM
You do realize no one's gonna read a jhns post, right?

Fixed.

baja
08-26-2011, 06:23 PM
And pair him up with the Dominos delivery boy and yeah, you get a problem.

I hate Xanders. I just hate the guy. If he's got talent I have yet to see it and I would really like to. Really really like to. I'm not even sure what he does but I am sure that whatever it is I can do it better. I guarantee it. Whatever Xanders can do I can do better. Ride a bike, screw his wife, raise his kids, do his job, make a steak. Pick it. RaiderH8r>Xanders.

Ellis is the one I have misgivings about.

Question now is which one has Bowlen's feeble ear, Ellis or Elway?

RhymesayersDU
08-26-2011, 06:34 PM
In all fairness to Josh, Pat Bowlen isn't comfortable without a drink is his hand.

broncosteven
08-26-2011, 06:45 PM
while i do agree with what you said. he'd have never come here for less than the HC job. we have to remember he was one of the hottest coaching candidates in the NFL during that time span.

of course considering i wanted Frazier,Garrett or Morris as the HC i wasn't considered very sane at the time.

I read somewhere that Bowlen said he took mCd because he was afraid that KFC would get him and he would be a thorn in his side for a decade.

He jumped into it without having a structure for the kid in place to allow him to succeed.

strafen
08-26-2011, 07:25 PM
while i do agree with what you said. he'd have never come here for less than the HC job. we have to remember he was one of the hottest coaching candidates in the NFL during that time span.

of course considering i wanted Frazier,Garrett or Morris as the HC i wasn't considered very sane at the time.
Ryan, HC from the Jets was also available, IIRC...

strafen
08-26-2011, 07:27 PM
Haven't read the rest of the thread but So. Cal. is gonna go off on this article.

It has been clear Bowlen has been struggling for some time now. Guess we are going to see what Elway has as a defacto team owner.

I would love to get a candid take from Nolan on Josh McDaniels.That still remains a big mystery.

RaiderH8r
08-26-2011, 07:31 PM
Some of us did foresee just how bad he had the potential to be for the Broncos, RaiderH8r... we were just shouted down and told to STFU and that we were full of it.

I know. I am hoping to avoid a Cutler here and unite everybody in hatred of Xanders. I piss better than that guy.

Taco John
08-27-2011, 12:14 AM
Firing Shanahan was the stupidested decision a peroson could possibly make with a lockout looming. I am smarter than anyone who disagrees with this opinion uniquivocably. Lol

Boobs McGee
08-27-2011, 12:19 AM
Sauce time, I like it teejay!

Blueflame
08-27-2011, 12:28 AM
I know. I am hoping to avoid a Cutler here and unite everybody in hatred of Xanders. I piss better than that guy.

But what if people hate Ellis more than Xanders? ??? Ha!

serious hops
08-27-2011, 12:34 AM
Pat Bowlen wasn't comfortable with McDaniels as HC.

See, billionaire owners really aren't so different from the rest of us.

TonyR
08-27-2011, 09:17 AM
Speaking of Shanahan, his offense looked pretty good against the Ravens last night...

Yup, that offense will be just good enough for the Skins not to be a complete embarrassment while finishing last in the NFC East...

TonyR
08-27-2011, 09:18 AM
See, billionaire owners really aren't so different from the rest of us.

Bowlen isn't remotely a billionaire.

DENVERDUI55
08-27-2011, 10:22 AM
Maybe pat is going to blame josh for making him a raging alcoholic.

Mountain Bronco
08-27-2011, 12:17 PM
Why does this mean he is senile? I don't get the Bowlen hate on here.

2KBack
08-27-2011, 12:20 PM
Bowlen isn't remotely a billionaire.

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/ceos/pat-bowlen-net-worth/

think again

TonyR
08-27-2011, 01:00 PM
http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/ceos/pat-bowlen-net-worth/

think again

Well f**k me sideways! I guess I need to stop internalizing all the "Bowlen is broke" crap several people here spew. I must admit I'm surprised by this but I probably should have considered the fact that the Broncos are worth about $1 billion...

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mli45fdhk/no-15-denver-broncos

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/10/billionaires-2010_Patrick-Bowlen-family_ACGS.html

CEH
08-27-2011, 01:32 PM
Well **** me sideways! I guess I need to stop internalizing all the "Bowlen is broke" crap several people here spew. I must admit I'm surprised by this but I probably should have considered the fact that the Broncos are worth about $1 billion...

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mli45fdhk/no-15-denver-broncos

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/10/billionaires-2010_Patrick-Bowlen-family_ACGS.html

The real question is how many owners net worth is 100 % tied to football team
Ted sunquist had a great article on cash vs cap
Great insight on what he had to work with each year

OrangeSe7en
08-27-2011, 01:40 PM
I just skipped to the relevant parts.

Now...Shanahan's college coaching experience means very little to me, since the college game and the NFL game are two different monsters. Taking the college experience out of the equation, McDaniels and Shanahan came from very similar backgrounds. Both were offensive coordinators for high-powered offenses, and both were failures in their first tenure as an NFL coach. PLUS, both coaches were fired before the season ended. My point still stands...

No it doesnt and stop being stupid. You never had a point.

2KBack
08-27-2011, 03:39 PM
Well **** me sideways! I guess I need to stop internalizing all the "Bowlen is broke" crap several people here spew. I must admit I'm surprised by this but I probably should have considered the fact that the Broncos are worth about $1 billion...

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mli45fdhk/no-15-denver-broncos

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/10/billionaires-2010_Patrick-Bowlen-family_ACGS.html

It's possible he's still cash poor I suppose. I've never been rich enough to think about that sort of thing. His worth puts him as a billionaire, but it's not like he has 1b in the bank.

ol#7
08-27-2011, 04:38 PM
No it doesnt and stop being stupid. You never had a point.

Rep, crushaholic just doubled down on the moronic posts.

The only thing that actually suprises me around these parts are why people are so slow to come around to thinking that maaayyyybbbeee it was a bad idea to fire Shanny after all.

Dr. Broncenstein
08-27-2011, 04:50 PM
Why does this mean he is senile? I don't get the Bowlen hate on here.

Because he:

1. Fired a HOF coach for having too much power and responsibility.
2. Hired a young rookie head coach.
3. Declared the young rookie head coach "a 10 in every category."
4. Proceeded to give young rookie head coach too much power and responsibility.
5. Watched as predictable results unfolded, chose not to intervene until the team was in total shambles.
6. Has had minimal contact with the media and public during the most tumultuous period of his ownership.
7. Then states on the record that he was uncomfortable with McD because of his age and lack of experience.

There are plenty of additional reasons that make me seriously concerned about his mental health, but those have been debated in other threads. If you are truly curious you can search those threads. I'm just pointing out indisputable facts that should make any Bronco fan question his competency.

Eldorado
08-27-2011, 04:53 PM
Because he:

1. Fired a HOF coach for having too much power and responsibility.
2. Hired a young rookie head coach.
3. Declared the young rookie head coach "a 10 in every category."
4. Proceeded to give young rookie head coach too much power and responsibility.
5. Watched as predictable results unfolded, chose not to intervene until the team was in total shambles.
6. Has had minimal contact with the media and public during the most tumultuous period of his ownership.
7. Then states on the record that he was uncomfortable with McD because of his age and lack of experience.

That and nut huggers to the draft meeting. That one was uncomfortable.

Pic please?

Bronx33
08-27-2011, 04:54 PM
Because he:

1. Fired a HOF coach for having too much power and responsibility.
2. Hired a young rookie head coach.
3. Declared the young rookie head coach "a 10 in every category."
4. Proceeded to give young rookie head coach too much power and responsibility.
5. Watched as predictable results unfolded, chose not to intervene until the team was in total shambles.
6. Has had minimal contact with the media and public during the most tumultuous period of his ownership.
7. Then states on the record that he was uncomfortable with McD because of his age and lack of experience.

There are plenty of additional reasons that make me seriously concerned about his mental health, but those have been debated in other threads. If you are truly curious you can search those threads. I'm just pointing out indisputable facts that should make any Bronco fan question his competency.


you make it sound like a bad thing..:clown:

bendog
08-27-2011, 04:58 PM
Because he:

1. Fired a HOF coach for having too much power and responsibility.
2. Hired a young rookie head coach.
3. Declared the young rookie head coach "a 10 in every category."
4. Proceeded to give young rookie head coach too much power and responsibility.
5. Watched as predictable results unfolded, chose not to intervene until the team was in total shambles.
6. Has had minimal contact with the media and public during the most tumultuous period of his ownership.
7. Then states on the record that he was uncomfortable with McD because of his age and lack of experience.

There are plenty of additional reasons that make me seriously concerned about his mental health, but those have been debated in other threads. If you are truly curious you can search those threads. I'm just pointing out indisputable facts that should make any Bronco fan question his competency.

I don't disagree at all, but merely pt out that his competency has always been an issue, imo. "When you start out at second base, don't act like you hit a triple when you get to third."

TDmvp
08-27-2011, 05:30 PM
Josh is basically a good Qb coach and nothing more. As I said when he was hired and then had it proven while he was here he never had his own scheme it was Weis's and all he's shown his a ability to help a Qb advance and a team to put up big numbers in the passing game.

He can make your passing game look very good , yes , but has no clue on how to implement a system that can win tough games in the trenches. Yea if you have the best team on that side of the ball like he did in N.E. he looks like a genius but "his" system is not one that wins tough games in Dec. in the weather.


Basically great QB coach , but no way I'd let him run a O .
And he's a total douche taco of a human as I tried to tell everyone from the info I'd heard in Ohio about him before we even hired him.

SoCalBronco
08-27-2011, 06:06 PM
Because he:

1. Fired a HOF coach for having too much power and responsibility.
2. Hired a young rookie head coach.
3. Declared the young rookie head coach "a 10 in every category."
4. Proceeded to give young rookie head coach too much power and responsibility.
5. Watched as predictable results unfolded, chose not to intervene until the team was in total shambles.
6. Has had minimal contact with the media and public during the most tumultuous period of his ownership.
7. Then states on the record that he was uncomfortable with McD because of his age and lack of experience.

There are plenty of additional reasons that make me seriously concerned about his mental health, but those have been debated in other threads. If you are truly curious you can search those threads. I'm just pointing out indisputable facts that should make any Bronco fan question his competency.

Great post, Doc.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
08-27-2011, 11:20 PM
Proof there is no God.

This THING is still alive and and kicking:
http://balladeer.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/al-davis2.jpg

While our owner is losing it:
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2009/0404/20090404__20090405_C14_SP05FBNCHRONO~p2_200.JPG

Hopefully Mr. Elway has a few more comebacks left in his bag for us:
http://www.joshmcdanielssucks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/John-Elway.jpg

TomServo
08-28-2011, 01:09 AM
im on record as saying shanny was stale. i believe in the 12 year headcoach rule. and dont try to give cowher as the exception. that spitting fool was gifted that SB. the nfl came out recentely and admitted as such. cowher=shottenheimer in my book.
that said i had no opinion either way w/mcd was hired. but when the first news was: cutler for cassel or some deal, i said UH-OH. even after the 6-0 start i wasnt sold.
6-0 6-0 was all anyone who was critical of mcd heard. 6-0. even after he ran around the field like a total Total dumbaxs. he had true believers. like some on this board. even Now, even after all the damage is obvious to all but the oblivious.

colonelbeef
08-28-2011, 10:57 AM
Speaking of Shanahan, his offense looked pretty good against the Ravens last night.

Bootlegs, playaction etc.


Mike Shanahan is a hall of fame HC, this is no surprise.

Watching Tim Hightower sit on those wide open cutback lanes is a thing of beauty, and the #1 thing I miss about Shanahan being gone. Every stretch run is an opportunity for a demoralizing home run play.

Shanahan will win in Washington, just a matter of when. He now has the finances to back up the playcalling, something he was missing in Denver since 00

Rock Chalk
08-28-2011, 12:39 PM
Shanahan will never win another superbowl.

ANd I do not believe he is a HoF coach. Without John Elway on his team, he has a very mediocre record. 1 playoff win as a HC without John Elway in like 9 years as a HC.

That does not mean I dont think Shanahan is a good coach. I think he is an excellent game planner and Xs and Os guy, but a horrendous judge of talent and woefully lacks the knowledge on the defensive side of the ball to be a HoF type of coach.

Play2win
08-28-2011, 12:41 PM
Means to an end. We have John Fox now. I'm really liking him as the Head Coach. Plus, Elway is in the front office, what's not to love?

Pendejo
08-28-2011, 01:25 PM
Shanahan will never win another superbowl.

ANd I do not believe he is a HoF coach. Without John Elway on his team, he has a very mediocre record. 1 playoff win as a HC without John Elway in like 9 years as a HC.

That does not mean I dont think Shanahan is a good coach. I think he is an excellent game planner and Xs and Os guy, but a horrendous judge of talent and woefully lacks the knowledge on the defensive side of the ball to be a HoF type of coach.

This post, opinion or not, is completely wrong.

alkemical
08-28-2011, 05:00 PM
think he'd take Champ back? An xtra 1st could help get Luck.

Pick Six
08-29-2011, 08:49 AM
This post, opinion or not, is completely wrong.

Where is he wrong? I think he's right on the money. Without the combination of Elway and Davis, Shanahan is good enough to be mediocre...

jhns
08-29-2011, 08:57 AM
Where is he wrong? I think he's right on the money. Without the combination of Elway and Davis, Shanahan is good enough to be mediocre...

That logic can be used for pretty much every good coach over the past 30 years. Pretty lame. Elway never even made a SB without Shanahan. He sure didn't win any without him being in charge. Shanahan also was top five(third) in wins over his entire time here, which the large majority was played without Elway.

Rock Chalk
08-29-2011, 10:17 AM
This post, opinion or not, is completely wrong.

1.25 seasons 8-12 in his first stint with the Raiders - 0 playoff appearances

Post Elway Broncos:
10 seasons 91-69 - 4 playoff appearances, 1 playoff win

Washington Redskins
1 season 6-10 - 0 playoff appearances

A combined sans-Elway record of 105-91, 4 playoff appearances, 1 playoff win in 12.25 seasons.

Take Shanahan's name off that and attach it to anyone and ask them if that is the resume of a Hall of Fame coach.

Edit: He'll get in because he did have ELway and he did win two superbowls, but realistically, without Elway on his team, SHanahan is not a HoF coach.

jhns
08-29-2011, 10:19 AM
I will never understand the hate for the best coach this franchise has ever had...

Not surprising that all of the haters also loved McDaniels...

Why would you even claim to be Broncos fans?

supermanhr9
08-29-2011, 10:21 AM
"Guys like Josh are out there, and they've got a lot of horsepower and they're younger," Bowlen said. "The learning process has become a heck of a lot better. I can sense it. I can see it. You don't have to go out and hire a coach who's been a coach before or is a little older. There's a lot of young talent that's as good or better than a guy who has left the game and are getting older and now decide they want to get back in."


http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11437028

:rofl:

Pat's lost it man.

This directly contradicts our newest head coach hiring....

HAT
08-29-2011, 10:29 AM
Elway never even made a SB without Shanahan.

Wut?

jhns
08-29-2011, 10:29 AM
Wut?

Fact.

HAT
08-29-2011, 10:30 AM
Fact.

1989 thinks your stupid.

bronco militia
08-29-2011, 10:32 AM
Wut?

Shanahan was either the qb coach, Offensive Coordinator, or head coach for all five of Elways super bowls..

jhns
08-29-2011, 10:34 AM
1989 thinks your stupid.

89 should learn English then.

bronco militia
08-29-2011, 10:34 AM
•1989-91: Denver Broncos, quarterbacks coach


Reeves hired Shanahan back after Al fired him

HAT
08-29-2011, 10:35 AM
Shanahan was either the qb coach, Offensive Coordinator, or head coach for all five of Elways super bowls..

Did anyone tell Al Davis?

HAT
08-29-2011, 10:36 AM
•1989-91: Denver Broncos, quarterbacks coach


Reeves hired Shanahan back after Al fired him

LOL....So he starts the year as the Raiders HC but was responsible for Elway getting to the Super Bowl?

Riiiiiiight.

jhns
08-29-2011, 10:38 AM
Did anyone tell Al Davis?

Elway never made a SB without Shanahan. Every time Shanahan left this team, we didn't make the SB. He came back as head coach and won two.

You would think Bronco fans would have a little respect for the guy.

jhns
08-29-2011, 10:41 AM
LOL....So he starts the year as the Raiders HC but was responsible for Elway getting to the Super Bowl?

Riiiiiiight.

When he was here, we made SBs. When he wasn't, we didn't. I'm sure he had nothing to do with it though...

Bob's your Information Minister
08-29-2011, 11:16 AM
Wow, this is actually pretty revealing.

Bowlen isn't comfortable with a punk kid running his football team, so he goes out and hires Elway, who he is really comfortable with, and then John Fox, another old, conservative white guy, comes on board.

Pat doesn't really care about winning....he just wants to be best buds with the guys running his football team.

That's awful, guys.

bronco militia
08-29-2011, 11:26 AM
LOL....So he starts the year as the Raiders HC but was responsible for Elway getting to the Super Bowl?

Riiiiiiight.

10.5 seasons together: 5 superbowls

5 seasons apart: 0 superbowls

what else do you need guy?

bendog
08-29-2011, 11:36 AM
He's won nearly 100 games without Elway. Don't get me wrong. I'm glad he's gone, and imo he stayed on too long. The Plummer/Lepsis meltdown in the AFC championship left a mark, imo.

He may win a superbowl with Wash, I don't know. But the level of drama, and the Travis Henrys....

But who cares. He hasn't coached in Denver for years.

HAT
08-29-2011, 11:47 AM
10.5 seasons together: 5 superbowls

5 seasons apart: 0 superbowls

what else do you need guy?

jhns to quit being such a douchebag and claiming Shanny had anything to do with Denver going to the SB in '89.

Denver was like 6-1 when he came back on board as a position coach in late October.

Nobody's disputing that Elway/TD/Shanny were a great combo in the late 90's but to credit a part time position coach for a SB appearance is a joke.

HAT
08-29-2011, 12:03 PM
He's won nearly 100 games without Elway. Don't get me wrong. I'm glad he's gone, and imo he stayed on too long. The Plummer/Lepsis meltdown in the AFC championship left a mark, imo.

He may win a superbowl with Wash, I don't know.

He'll get back on top but it won't be with Washington. After another couple years there I can see him landing somewhere that is currently putting together a good, young nucleus on offense. Like a Tampa Bay.

Or maybe the iggles once they decide that 13+ years of Reid is enough.

jhns
08-29-2011, 12:06 PM
jhns to quit being such a douchebag and claiming Shanny had anything to do with Denver going to the SB in '89.

Denver was like 6-1 when he came back on board as a position coach in late October.

Nobody's disputing that Elway/TD/Shanny were a great combo in the late 90's but to credit a part time position coach for a SB appearance is a joke.

You are only arguing because you made a joke of yourself earlier in the thread. It is why you are being so over dramatic. I never said it was all Shanahan. I stated a fact. Elway never made a SB without Shanahan. You claim that doesn't mean anything, I say it does. Our opinions won't change that fact though.

bronco militia
08-29-2011, 04:09 PM
LOL....So he starts the year as the Raiders HC but was responsible for Elway getting to the Super Bowl?

Riiiiiiight.

to add, Shanahan became the QB coach again October 16, 1989...golly, look what happened to Elways numbers on Shanahan's first week back!


http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/1989.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/198910220sea.htm

http://articles.latimes.com/1989-10-16/sports/sp-272_1_mike-shanahan