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mhgaffney
08-25-2011, 05:06 PM
You clowns think I'm exaggerating -- or even anti semitic -- when I describe Israel as a racist Apartheid state.

The facts bear me out, however. According to Wikileaks, shortly before he became Israel's foreign minister, Avigdor Lieberman called for the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

This should be no surprise -- since -- despite the nonstop 24 X 7 PR campaign in the West that portrays Israelis as victims, in reality, ethnic cleansing has been the Zionist program since the 1930s, i.e., BEFORE the Holocaust.

MHG

Wikileaks:: Only Solution is Separation: Lieberman

Wikileaks: In ’06, Lieberman told US ambassador of need to transfer Palestinians from Israel– and US says nothing

By Philip Weiss

August 25, 2011 "Mondoweiss" - - Wikileaks has released a cable from 2006 of a meeting between the US Ambassador to Israel--then Richard Jones-- and Avigdor Lieberman, who was not yet the Foreign Minister, merely the leader of the rightwing party, Yisrael Beteinu. What is shocking about this cable is that the American ambassador is disturbed by Lieberman's frank call for ethnic cleansing and loyalty oaths for Israeli Palestinians, who are a separate "nation" from the Jews. And the ambassador says that such calls violate American values of diversity. But our government never expresses this outrage-- not even when Obama comes in. We stick by Israel regardless, though we are informed directly of officials' racist plans. Highlights mine:

From the cable:

SUBJECT: RIGHT-WING LIEBERMAN UNABASHEDLY ADVOCATES TRANSFER OF ISRAELI ARABS

Right-wing Yisrael Beiteinu party leader Avigdor Lieberman told the Ambassador January 31 that separation of Israeli Jews from Israeli Arabs is necessary in order to promote Israeli security and maintain Israel's Jewish identity. To accomplish this, Lieberman proposes that Israel redraw its border with the West Bank through negotiations to place some Israeli-Arab population centers that are close to the Green Line within Palestinian territory, and to include some Israeli settlement blocs within Israel. He also would require that all Israelis -- Jews and Arabs -- take an oath of loyalty to the state or lose their citizenship. ...

Only Solution is Separation

Lieberman underlined his view that to avoid conflict, a separation of Israeli Jews from Israeli Arabs must occur. He said his proposal for such a separation is based on the Cyprus model, where, he said, the island's Turks are separated territorially from the island's Greeks. Lieberman said that the roadmap makes a mistake by advocating a two-state solution, wherein Israel retains two peoples within its borders, Jewish and Arab, while the Palestinian state retains only Palestinians. Lieberman asserted that states that are composed of different "nations" continue to experience conflict. The Ambassador noted that the United States maintains its diversity without experiencing such conflict....

Lieberman said that under his proposal, Israel would negotiate a shift in its borders with the West Bank to place Israeli-Arab population centers, such as the city of Umm el-Fahm, in the Palestinian territories, and some Jewish settlement blocs near the Green Line within Israel. (Note: Lieberman did not indicate what would happen to Jewish settlements, such as Ariel, located deeper within the West Bank. End note.) Lieberman claimed he has had meetings with Palestinian leaders and that they expressed willingness to consider this type of land swap. In response to the Ambassador's query, Lieberman said that the actual border would be the result of negotiations with Egypt, Jordan, and the PA...

Asked about the status of Israeli Arabs living throughout Israel and in mixed cities, Lieberman acknowledged that this is "more complicated." He advocated that all Israelis be required to take a loyalty oath, and that those who refuse be stripped of their citizenship.


http://mondoweiss.net/2011/08/wikileaks-lieberman-told-us-ambassador-of-need-to-transfer-palestinians-from-israel-and-us-said-nothing.html#more-50362

mhgaffney
08-25-2011, 08:11 PM
Now that NATO is in the business of massacring women and children -- this comes as no surprise.

MHG

NATO mulls marriage with Israel

http://electronicintifada.net/blog/david/nato-mulls-marriage-israel

Submitted by david cronin on Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:38

Israel wishes to participate in NATO’s future wars, judging by the content of a diplomatic cable released this week by WikiLeaks.

Dating from November 2009, the document from the American embassy in Tel Aviv summarizes a briefing given by Claudio Bisorgniero, NATO’s deputy-secretary general, during a visit to Israel.

Fresh from talks with Avigdor Lieberman, the Israeli foreign minister, Bisorgniero noted that Israel wishes to sign a status of forces agreement (SOFA) with the alliance. Such an accord lays down the rules covering a country’s troops when they are operating abroad.

The notion of a SOFA (a silly acronym) between Israel and the alliance has been advocated by the Zionist lobby for a few years now. Less than a fortnight before the cable was drawn up, the policy journal Europe’s World published an article by Matthew Mark Horn from the American Jewish Congress on Israel’s relations with NATO. He indicated that a status of forces accord would allow Israel join NATO operations more swiftly than it has to date. Horn, a former official in the US defense department, hinted at his frustration over how it took two years of negotiations before an Israeli officer could be posted to the headquarters of Operation Active Endeavor in Naples. Originally, that Mediterranean-patrol mission was part of NATO’s response to the atrocities on 11 September 2001; its remit has subsequently been expanded to serve a reactionary agenda of stopping impoverished foreigners from sailing to Europe.

“Sensitive”

Bisorgniero described Israel’s idea of a SOFA as “sensitive”, according to the cable. It could be problematic, he suggested, for NATO to conclude such an agreement with Israel, unless similar arrangements could be found with some Arab countries. Since 1994 NATO has been involved in a process called the Mediterranean dialogue with states neighboring members of the alliance. Along with Israel, those states are Egypt, Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco, Jordan and Mauritania. Israel has used this forum for dialogue to forge greater ties with the alliance than all of the others, however.

It is telling that the cable does not allude even once to Operation Cast Lead, Israel’s assault on Gaza in 2008 and 2009. NATO gave its tacit approval for that act of aggression earlier this year. When Gabi Ashkenazi, the Israeli military chief who oversaw Cast Lead, visited Brussels in January, he was treated to a farewell dinner to mark his imminent retirement as head of the world’s “most moral army.”

No guilt over massacres

Under Ashkenazi’s leadership, that army wiped out 22 members of the al-Dayah family — including 12 children and a pregnant woman — when it bombed the family’s Gaza home in early 2009. NATO commanders may be feeling a sense of affinity with Ashkenazi this month as they have tried to excuse an even bloodier massacre in Libya. On the night of 8 August, NATO attacked residential areas in Zliten, a city in the district of Misrata. According to the Libyan authorities, 85 people were killed. Thirty-three of them were children; 32 them of them women, some reports say.

Don’t feel bad if you have not heard of that massacre; it received scant attention in the Western press. The BBC’s Matthew Price visited the scene of the attack and admitted that he saw the corpses of women and children in the morgue. But he also sought to lend credence to the NATO narrative that it had struck a “legitimate target” (the words of its propagandist Roland Lavoie), where Gaddafi loyalists were sheltering. “The front line is not far away,” Price reported. “From the site, plumes of white smoke can be seen rising from where the fighting is taking place. It would make sense that soldiers would need somewhere to rest in the area.”

NATO’s killing of children does not elicit even the faintest pang of conscience among its commanders and their lackeys in the media. It would be logical, then, for NATO to make sure its flirtations with Israel lead to a proper marriage.

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The diplomatic cable mentioned in the above was posted by Wikileaks:
http://wikileaks.org/cable/2009/11/09TELAVIV2554.html

tnedator
08-25-2011, 08:12 PM
Let me guess, Lieberman, like Iceland, is part of the EU. Your sources are always so impeccable.

broncobil22
08-26-2011, 10:34 AM
You clowns think I'm exaggerating -- or even anti semitic -- when I describe Israel as a racist Apartheid state.

The facts bear me out, however. According to Wikileaks, shortly before he became Israel's foreign minister, Avigdor Lieberman called for the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

This should be no surprise -- since -- despite the nonstop 24 X 7 PR campaign in the West that portrays Israelis as victims, in reality, ethnic cleansing has been the Zionist program since the 1930s, i.e., BEFORE the Holocaust.

MHG

Wikileaks:: Only Solution is Separation: Lieberman

Wikileaks: In ’06, Lieberman told US ambassador of need to transfer Palestinians from Israel– and US says nothing

By Philip Weiss

August 25, 2011 "Mondoweiss" - - Wikileaks has released a cable from 2006 of a meeting between the US Ambassador to Israel--then Richard Jones-- and Avigdor Lieberman, who was not yet the Foreign Minister, merely the leader of the rightwing party, Yisrael Beteinu. What is shocking about this cable is that the American ambassador is disturbed by Lieberman's frank call for ethnic cleansing and loyalty oaths for Israeli Palestinians, who are a separate "nation" from the Jews. And the ambassador says that such calls violate American values of diversity. But our government never expresses this outrage-- not even when Obama comes in. We stick by Israel regardless, though we are informed directly of officials' racist plans. Highlights mine:

From the cable:

SUBJECT: RIGHT-WING LIEBERMAN UNABASHEDLY ADVOCATES TRANSFER OF ISRAELI ARABS

Right-wing Yisrael Beiteinu party leader Avigdor Lieberman told the Ambassador January 31 that separation of Israeli Jews from Israeli Arabs is necessary in order to promote Israeli security and maintain Israel's Jewish identity. To accomplish this, Lieberman proposes that Israel redraw its border with the West Bank through negotiations to place some Israeli-Arab population centers that are close to the Green Line within Palestinian territory, and to include some Israeli settlement blocs within Israel. He also would require that all Israelis -- Jews and Arabs -- take an oath of loyalty to the state or lose their citizenship. ...

Only Solution is Separation

Lieberman underlined his view that to avoid conflict, a separation of Israeli Jews from Israeli Arabs must occur. He said his proposal for such a separation is based on the Cyprus model, where, he said, the island's Turks are separated territorially from the island's Greeks. Lieberman said that the roadmap makes a mistake by advocating a two-state solution, wherein Israel retains two peoples within its borders, Jewish and Arab, while the Palestinian state retains only Palestinians. Lieberman asserted that states that are composed of different "nations" continue to experience conflict. The Ambassador noted that the United States maintains its diversity without experiencing such conflict....

Lieberman said that under his proposal, Israel would negotiate a shift in its borders with the West Bank to place Israeli-Arab population centers, such as the city of Umm el-Fahm, in the Palestinian territories, and some Jewish settlement blocs near the Green Line within Israel. (Note: Lieberman did not indicate what would happen to Jewish settlements, such as Ariel, located deeper within the West Bank. End note.) Lieberman claimed he has had meetings with Palestinian leaders and that they expressed willingness to consider this type of land swap. In response to the Ambassador's query, Lieberman said that the actual border would be the result of negotiations with Egypt, Jordan, and the PA...

Asked about the status of Israeli Arabs living throughout Israel and in mixed cities, Lieberman acknowledged that this is "more complicated." He advocated that all Israelis be required to take a loyalty oath, and that those who refuse be stripped of their citizenship.


http://mondoweiss.net/2011/08/wikileaks-lieberman-told-us-ambassador-of-need-to-transfer-palestinians-from-israel-and-us-said-nothing.html#more-50362

nobody cares!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mhgaffney
08-26-2011, 10:40 AM
Look around. The world is a mess -- and the reason is because many people think like you. (or rather: don't think.)

Fortunately, I receive emails almost every day from peace activists -- many of them Jews -- who do care.

MHG

broncobil22
08-26-2011, 10:57 AM
You must not have a job if you receive emails from peace activist all day. Never let a good crisis go to waste. I'm on to the next big cause to change the world.

Garcia Bronco
08-26-2011, 11:11 AM
this is old news and I agree with Joe. It certainly solves the problem and this is what the arab nation has essentially done to the Pals already. End it once and for all

Smiling Assassin27
08-26-2011, 11:22 AM
sorry, moving borders is FAR from ethnic cleansing, man.

lieberman's plan is pretty logical, really. granted, negotiations could get ugly, but they got it done in Yugoslavia, why not Israel/Palestine?

mhgaffney
08-26-2011, 05:12 PM
this is old news and I agree with Joe. It certainly solves the problem and this is what the arab nation has essentially done to the Pals already. End it once and for all

Who is Joe? You mean the other Lieberman -- the Senator from CT?

We are talking about Israeli FM Avigdor Lieberman.

But since you mentioned it -- both Liebermans are fascists -- and obviously so are you.

mhgaffney
08-26-2011, 05:16 PM
sorry, moving borders is FAR from ethnic cleansing, man.

lieberman's plan is pretty logical, really. granted, negotiations could get ugly, but they got it done in Yugoslavia, why not Israel/Palestine?

Unbelievable.

Tombstone RJ
08-26-2011, 05:23 PM
Unbelievable.

yes you are... LOL