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vonqkilla
08-24-2011, 02:25 PM
Playoff win
Playoffs
Division champ
9 wins

???

Steve Sewell
08-24-2011, 02:27 PM
Playoff win
Playoffs
Division champ
9 wins

???

My guess is playoff win, and even then no super-long term extension.

Shananahan
08-24-2011, 02:28 PM
Pro Bowl + division champions + playoff victory.

I don't see it.

vonqkilla
08-24-2011, 02:28 PM
If someone can add a poll go for it, I missed it.

I would say 8 consider, 9 more likely, playoffs probably.

vonqkilla
08-24-2011, 02:30 PM
Pro bowl is meaningless. VY made it.

Playoffs would deserve a contract I think.

strafen
08-24-2011, 02:31 PM
8.5 wins

bronco militia
08-24-2011, 02:31 PM
http://thesouthstands.com/board/Smileys/classic/blowjob.gif

KO5K
08-24-2011, 02:32 PM
I don't think there's any scenario where he could bag a multi year deal with franchise QB money.

jhns
08-24-2011, 02:35 PM
A playoff win would do it. Anything less would depend on how they view their other options and how much money Orton demands. I doubt he gets resigned if he wants a contract close to what he is getting this year if he doesn't improve a lot.

Miss I.
08-24-2011, 02:36 PM
Pretty sure the dude is gonna have to bring the bling, plus some skanks and some Jack Daniels...and possibly that thing in BroncoMilitia's post.

The only way he will get the people on here to stop hating him is to do all of the above, win 2 Lombardis in a row, give them all new cars and Jack Daniels. And also out pout Jay Cutler.

Aftermath
08-24-2011, 02:37 PM
I think if he plays the way he has so far in PRESEASON then that SHOULD be enough. Prolly not though.

Shananahan
08-24-2011, 02:38 PM
Pro bowl is meaningless. VY made it.

Playoffs would deserve a contract I think.
More often than not in order to make the Pro Bowl in the AFC you have to play pretty damn well. Just winning games alone and going to the playoffs is not going to be good enough for Orton, I don't think. They're not going to resign him if his team carries him to wins, or if he just wins with average play and average stats. I think Orton needs an individual performance worthy of the Pro Bowl in addition to the victories and postseason to be resigned.

Again, I don't see it.

Rock Chalk
08-24-2011, 02:42 PM
AFC Championship game minimum and if we lose not be the cause of it.

Steve Sewell
08-24-2011, 02:51 PM
AFC Championship game minimum and if we lose not be the cause of it.

Jake baiting! I like it.

vonqkilla
08-24-2011, 02:52 PM
AFC Championship game minimum and if we lose not be the cause of it.

If we won the west, be hard not bring him back after a home playoff game.

Teboner
08-24-2011, 02:54 PM
Winning the division and a playoff game and he has to keep the king Tebow off the field because once Tebow gets on the field he is pretty much done imo.

Ambiguous
08-24-2011, 02:56 PM
I think making the playoffs would do it considering the record last year.

Dedhed
08-24-2011, 02:56 PM
Get the GM job

Crushaholic
08-24-2011, 02:57 PM
Winning the AFC West should do it. Denver is hungry for a playoff appearance...

Rock Chalk
08-24-2011, 02:59 PM
I misunderstood. I thought we were talking about fan support.

Yeah, playoffs should get him some sort of extension with the FO though.

Powderaddict
08-24-2011, 03:02 PM
I don't think it will happen.

EFX tried to trade him this year. There were Rumors McDaniels didn't want him beginning of last year. Bears traded him the year before that.

Miami decided that they'd rather sign Moore and go with Henne than commit starter $$$ to Orton.

He's just not a QB teams desire. Serviceable, but not worth a committment.

He's the girl you settle with at 2 AM because your drunk, she's avaiable, and eh, she's not "that bad" and probably isn't diseased.

WolfpackGuy
08-24-2011, 03:04 PM
Go 22-21 with 23 TD's.

Every game.

TheReverend
08-24-2011, 03:04 PM
Other: Learn to play football well.

TheReverend
08-24-2011, 03:05 PM
http://thesouthstands.com/board/Smileys/classic/blowjob.gif

pow pow!

Powderaddict
08-24-2011, 03:05 PM
How did Teboner vote for each option?

Rock Chalk
08-24-2011, 03:17 PM
How did Teboner vote for each option?

Checkboxes not radio buttons.

smoke4815162342
08-24-2011, 04:45 PM
not much, he will likely get one and EFX will live to regret it

OABB
08-24-2011, 04:59 PM
become a good qb.

Swedish Extrovert
08-24-2011, 05:02 PM
Orton told 9news that the goal is to win the division. If that happens, I see him extending.

So he'll probably be a Dolphin next year anyway.

OABB
08-24-2011, 05:07 PM
Orton told 9news that the goal is to win the division. If that happens, I see him extending.

So he'll probably be a Dolphin next year anyway.

elway said a qb earns his money on third down......so.............

Agamemnon
08-24-2011, 05:08 PM
I voted playoff appearance (might as well have voted that it would never happen), but honestly I think it really depends on the circumstances. I mean we could win the Super Bowl and he could still not be re-signed if we do so in spite of him (you know kind of how the Bears were a winning team in spite of him). On the other hand if he miraculously turns into a clutch playmaker it might not take as much.

In the end though, I really don't see it happening. This team's ceiling is 8-8 with Orton and that's not going to change anyone's mind about the guy.

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 05:37 PM
9 wins and proof that he can play at his highest ability for an ENTIRE season.

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 05:39 PM
Shows how many idiots lurk these forums. "It will never happen." Hah. If the guy pulls a 4,300 30 TD superbowl season out of his ass, he will be getting an extension. He won't come close, but it's certainly not impossible in the true sense of the word.

Agamemnon
08-24-2011, 05:44 PM
Shows how many idiots lurk these forums. "It will never happen." Hah. If the guy pulls a 4,300 30 TD superbowl season out of his ass, he will be getting an extension. He won't come close, but it's certainly not impossible in the true sense of the word.

I think by saying that it will never happen they are basically saying that the scenario you just gave will never happen.

KipCorrington25
08-24-2011, 05:48 PM
I think if he plays the way he has so far in PRESEASON then that SHOULD be enough. Prolly not though.

Oh I agree 1000% in fact he's practiced so good I'd just sign him now at 5 years 10 million per, I mean great practice players get it done in the 4th quarter and red zone right? :thumbsup:

TailgateNut
08-24-2011, 05:53 PM
Run Tebows ass over in the parking lot after the game. Bawahahah

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 05:59 PM
I think by saying that it will never happen they are basically saying that the scenario you just gave will never happen.

Well then it's just an argument of semantics with the phrase "will never happen". but fair enough.

all i know is that if orton puts up his best numbers ever in terms of efficiency (# of picks, td/int ratio) and this team wins 9-10 games (with an improved D and run game) he WILL be getting an extension. and i just think.. excuse me... i know that it's idiotic to say that the we cant win 9-10 games and that orton could be as delhomme-esque as ever. it's not even a matter of debate, there is a solid chance (10%-50%, whatever you want to call it) it will happen. it might not, but it certainly isn't farfetched.. unless you are macgruder. or just retarded.

Fox had no problem rolling with Delhomme, who was once upon a time was the master of doing nothing but not losing the game singlehandedly. Denver will roll with Orton if he puts up his best year in terms of what I said before. It's not so uncertain... this is a contract year for him and he has an improved run game (perhaps the ground game orton has ever played with?

Teboner
08-24-2011, 06:01 PM
Shows how many idiots lurk these forums. "It will never happen." Hah. If the guy pulls a 4,300 30 TD superbowl season out of his ass, he will be getting an extension. He won't come close, but it's certainly not impossible in the true sense of the word.

If he put up those stats imagine what Tebow could do. He did have a better offensive attack in the 3 games he started.

Agamemnon
08-24-2011, 06:02 PM
Well then it's just an argument of semantics with the phrase "will never happen". but fair enough.

all i know is that if orton puts up his best numbers ever in terms of efficiency (# of picks, td/int ratio) and this team wins 9-10 games (with an improved D and run game) he WILL be getting an extension. and i just think.. excuse me... i know that it's idiotic to say that will never happen. it might not, but it certainly isn't farfetched.. unless you are macgruder.

Fox had no problem rolling with Delhomme, who was once upon a time the master of doing nothing but holding his own. He will roll with Orton if he puts up his best year. It's not so uncertain as this is a contract year for him and he has an improved run game (perhaps the ground game orton has ever played with?)

Orton had a career year last year and EFX have still shown no interest in re-signing him. While it is possible that he'll be drastically improved over last year, it's highly unlikely.

broncosteven
08-24-2011, 06:08 PM
Where is the SB win option

Br0nc0Buster
08-24-2011, 06:10 PM
If we win the division and Orton plays well I think he would get an extension

by well I mean a TD/INT ratio at least over 2
and an offense efficient on third down and in the redzone

outside of that we prolly let him walk
not sure what we do with Quinn though

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 06:14 PM
Orton had a career year last year and EFX have still shown no interest in re-signing him. While it is possible that he'll be drastically improved over last year, it's highly unlikely.

I'm not sure if I understand your point. Orton not being involved in contract negotiations during this off season really doesn't help your argument, especially since this is a matter of "what if he blows up and or is really efficent this year, as opposed to last year".

We won 3 games last year and Orton was involved in a QB controversy that just ended because our 3rd string quarterback (a former #1 pick) showed flashes. Orton also shat the bed down the stretch once teams like KC figured out that they didn't have to play the run game AT ALL and that there was no reason to be concerned with play-action. Are you surprised that we had no interest in resigning a Quarterback given those circumstances? I'm not. I hope you're not.

I agree that there is a better chance he will see his numbers decline, I think that he will be as (if not more) efficient, and that our D will win us an extra 4-5 games. We will also have a rushing attack, knock on wood-laminate.

Agamemnon
08-24-2011, 06:22 PM
I'm not sure if I understand your point. Orton not being involved in contract negotiations during this off season really doesn't help your argument, especially since this is a matter of "what if he blows up and or is really efficent this year, as opposed to last year".

We won 3 games last year and Orton was involved in a QB controversy that just ended because our 3rd string quarterback (a former #1 pick) showed flashes. Orton also shat the bed down the stretch once teams like KC figured out that they didn't have to play the run game AT ALL and that there was no reason to be concerned with play-action. Are you surprised that we had no interest in resigning a Quarterback given those circumstances? I'm not. I hope you're not.

I agree that there is a better chance he will see his numbers decline, I think that he will be as (if not more) efficient, and that our D will win us an extra 4-5 games. We will also have a rushing attack, knock on wood-laminate.

What's not to understand? EFX nearly traded the guy and has shown zero interest in re-signing him after a career year. Thus it must be assumed he'll have to be quite a bit better than last year for them to change their minds and make him an offer. It's pretty simple.

TDmvp
08-24-2011, 06:27 PM
Run Tebows ass over in the parking lot after the game. Bawahahah

Tebow would just be resurrected in like 3 days or something so it's no biggie.

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 06:30 PM
What's not to understand? EFX nearly traded the guy and has shown zero interest in re-signing him after a career year.

We won 3 games last year and Orton was involved in a QB controversy that just ended because our 3rd string quarterback (a former #1 pick) showed flashes. Orton also shat the bed down the stretch once teams like KC figured out that they didn't have to play the run game AT ALL and that there was no reason to be concerned with play-action. Are you surprised that we had no interest in resigning a Quarterback given those circumstances? I'm not. I hope you're not.

he really doesn't have to do that much to get a contract. it's more about team performance and less about if he throws for 4,000 yards and 25 TD's. once again, we don't need him to be something he isn't. he can play like delhomme in 2004 or whatever it was and he will get an extension if this team wins 9-10 games. unlikely? perhaps to you. i am an optimist. all im saying is that your point has no validity given the reasons as to why he wasn't extended last year.

oubronco
08-24-2011, 06:34 PM
He's screwed cause this team isn't winning more than 4-6 games with their schedule and ****ty run Defense

FireFly
08-24-2011, 06:38 PM
For them to offer him a contract that he would actually consider signing? He'd have to win a playoff game imo.

Problem is, if he does take us to the playoffs and then win, he'll likely get offered more money else where...

so I should have selected never going to happen

RaiderH8r
08-24-2011, 06:41 PM
Shows how many idiots lurk these forums. "It will never happen." Hah. If the guy pulls a 4,300 30 TD superbowl season out of his ass, he will be getting an extension. He won't come close, but it's certainly not impossible in the true sense of the word.

I would extend him as part of a trade because when you trip on your dick, have your wallet land on the table and pull the winning lottery ticket you pawn that off on some other chump for premium picks and move on. Dilfer the dude man. Dilfer the dude.

Agamemnon
08-24-2011, 06:42 PM
he really doesn't have to do that much to get a contract. it's more about team performance and less about if he throws for 4,000 yards and 25 TD's. once again, we don't need him to be something he isn't. he can play like delhomme in 2004 or whatever it was and he will get an extension if this team wins 9-10 games. unlikely? perhaps to you. i am an optimist. all im saying is that your point has no validity given the reasons as to why he wasn't extended last year.

And that is where you are wrong. He needs to look like a franchise QB or Elway is going to look for one somewhere else. Fox may be okay with a QB that is just okay, but Elway is all about having a real franchise QB. He's made that very clear.

StugotsIII
08-24-2011, 06:44 PM
He's gone.

UberBroncoMan
08-24-2011, 06:53 PM
Pro Bowl + division champions + playoff victory.

I don't see it.

This.

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 06:58 PM
And that is where you are wrong. He needs to look like a franchise QB or Elway is going to look for one somewhere else. Fox may be okay with a QB that is just okay, but Elway is all about having a real franchise QB. He's made that very clear.

really? so why did he make no effort to pick up a francise quarterback in this year's draft? why was elway willing to trade orton to start a quarterback whom he has had his doubts about since day 1?

Prodigal19
08-24-2011, 07:00 PM
After the way the fans have treated him here, I am pretty sure that he wouldn't want to be back even if we did offer him a new contract.

epicSocialism4tw
08-24-2011, 07:02 PM
He won't be back unless he exhibits the ability to carry the team.

He'll have to show that he's the player that can make the important plays on offense.

I don't care if you don't turn the ball over in the red zone. If you don't convert third downs in there, your team isn't going to win games. Especially on the road. Its up to Orton to make that happen. If he can't do that, he'll be waved on down the road.

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 07:03 PM
also, aggamemnon, find me a quote where elway says that having a franchise quarterback is the most important thing in his book.

epicSocialism4tw
08-24-2011, 07:03 PM
After the way the fans have treated him here, I am pretty sure that he wouldn't want to be back even if we did offer him a new contract.

So sad.

He himself said he doesn't play for the fans.

I wonder who he's playing for since the fans pay out the nose for tickets and memorabilia?

Rigs11
08-24-2011, 07:09 PM
Superbowl,or all the tebownites will still be crying like whiny little biatches.

RaiderH8r
08-24-2011, 07:10 PM
So sad.

He himself said he doesn't play for the fans.

I wonder who he's playing for since the fans pay out the nose for tickets and memorabilia?

Kyle plays for Kyle...and Jack and Jose and Johnny and penicillin. That's about it.

Agamemnon
08-24-2011, 07:19 PM
also, aggamemnon, find me a quote where elway says that having a franchise quarterback is the most important thing in his book.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81f0c1f0/article/elway-on-broncos-qbs-were-not-sure-we-have-a-franchise-guy

He seems to be pretty much saying that from this article. You're kind of being dense if you think a Hall of Fame QB isn't going to have the position as his top priority honestly.

maher_tyler
08-24-2011, 07:21 PM
AFC Championship game or better, needs to prove he can win multiple playoff games.

DBroncos4life
08-24-2011, 07:21 PM
I think a better poll would be what does our next QB have to do to not have the fan base turn on him.

epicSocialism4tw
08-24-2011, 07:22 PM
Kyle plays for Kyle...and Jack and Jose and Johnny and penicillin. That's about it.

Sadly, he has yet to prove that he's playing for 'wins'.

Agamemnon
08-24-2011, 07:22 PM
really? so why did he make no effort to pick up a francise quarterback in this year's draft? why was elway willing to trade orton to start a quarterback whom he has had his doubts about since day 1?

There was no one in this draft that warranted both giving up on Tebow and picking a QB before our more pressing defensive needs. This was a terrible class for QBs. Just because he didn't draft a QB doesn't mean that his top priority in the long-term isn't getting a franchise QB for this team. That's the top priority of most organizations just so you know, and most of them aren't run by former QBs.

Agamemnon
08-24-2011, 07:24 PM
I think a better poll would be what does our next QB have to do to not have the fan base turn on him.

Be a true franchise QB. It's pretty simple.

DBroncos4life
08-24-2011, 07:27 PM
Be a true franchise QB. It's pretty simple.

Cutler laughs at you.

Shananahan
08-24-2011, 07:28 PM
he really doesn't have to do that much to get a contract. it's more about team performance and less about if he throws for 4,000 yards and 25 TD's. once again, we don't need him to be something he isn't. he can play like delhomme in 2004 or whatever it was and he will get an extension if this team wins 9-10 games. unlikely? perhaps to you.
You're kidding yourself if you believe that he can be just be a ho-hum guy, win nine games and get extended. Orton reportedly asked for a contract like Kolb got in Arizona. You think the front office is going to hand him that if he plays mediocre but the team wins games? 'He really doesn't have to do much to get a contract' is laughable to me. If they weren't expecting anything more from the QB position than what Orton did last year then they would have tried to resign him already.

RhymesayersDU
08-24-2011, 07:29 PM
Torn here...

Part of me thinks that if we were going to re-sign him, we would have done it already.

Part of me thinks a playoff appearance will get him an extension.

Agamemnon
08-24-2011, 07:29 PM
Cutler laughs at you.

I laugh at people who think Cutler is a franchise QB. Was Jeff George a franchise QB as well? Ha!

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 07:30 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81f0c1f0/article/elway-on-broncos-qbs-were-not-sure-we-have-a-franchise-guy

He seems to be pretty much saying that from this article. You're kind of being dense if you think a Hall of Fame QB isn't going to have the position as his top priority honestly.

so just because elway wanted to entertain the option of taking a franchise quarteback... and just because he was once a hall of fame quarterback.. he automatically requres a franchise quarterback?

Why do you even bother arguing if that is all you're going to bring to the table? It was the #2 pick in the draft, obviously he and the gms are going to entertain every single option possible. that pick is worth MILLIONS. Also, do you think he just said that out of the blue? Some radio host asked him if he would consider taking a quarterback. Obviously he's going to say that, he's not going to say "Nah, **** it we don't need one."

At the very least, you keep teams guessing as to what you will do with your #2. The hope would be that they would leapfrog Denver to #1 for a QB so that Denver could get their player of choice.

If that's all you can come up with... an incorrect paraphrase... I'm not going to waste my time talking to you.

On the contrary, by the way. The more you play, the more you learn that no one position is the surefire solution to all problems. Your argument is based entirely off your own assumptions and guesses that Elway was a hall of fame quarterback so he MUST have a hall of fame caliber quarterback under center.

The personal attacks aren't necessary.

SoCalBronco
08-24-2011, 07:30 PM
A new contract is a non-starter. There's no new contract. We don't want him long term. We know his strengths and his limits and we're tired of it. Enough is enough. The fact that he's starting another whole year is already alot to ask. He's a good guy and is efficient and has had a nice preseason, but we're never going to get anywhere this way. We can and should be able to do better, even on Bowlen's budget.

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 07:31 PM
You're kidding yourself if you believe that he can be just be a ho-hum guy, win nine games and get extended. Orton reportedly asked for a contract like Kolb got in Arizona. You think the front office is going to hand him that if he plays mediocre but the team wins games? 'He really doesn't have to do much to get a contract' is laughable to me. If they weren't expecting anything more from the QB position than what Orton did last year then they would have tried to resign him already.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4092544

point proven.

Agamemnon
08-24-2011, 07:32 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4092544

point proven.

Was Elway running that team too? That's news to me...

Shananahan
08-24-2011, 07:33 PM
Also got a kick out of:
i am an optimist.
How is being alright with offering Orton an extension because the team performs well enough to win games being optimistic?

"Yeah, Orton played pretty average overall, nothing special, but the team found a way to win nine games. I'm really optimistic that they sign him for at least five years and $64 million!"

RhymesayersDU
08-24-2011, 07:33 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4092544

point proven.

How so? Delhomme had proven success and had even guided a team to a SuperBowl.

At the time, Delhomme had a bit more credibility than Orton does, don't you think?

Shananahan
08-24-2011, 07:34 PM
How so? Delhomme had proven success and had even guided a team to a SuperBowl.

At the time, Delhomme had a bit more credibility than Orton does, don't you think?
Not to mention that everybody else in the NFL was laughing at the Panthers for paying the guy that much at the time and he's since proven he wasn't worth anything close to that amount.

RhymesayersDU
08-24-2011, 07:34 PM
A new contract is a non-starter. There's no new contract. We don't want him long term. We know his strengths and his limits and we're tired of it. Enough is enough. The fact that he's starting another whole year is already alot to ask. He's a good guy and is efficient and has had a nice preseason, but we're never going to get anywhere this way. We can and should be able to do better, even on Bowlen's budget.

See if this is true, then he needs to sit. And this isn't even about Tebow, either. If we're not going to re-sign Orton either way, give Quinn a shot.

Agamemnon
08-24-2011, 07:35 PM
so just because elway wanted to entertain the option of taking a franchise quarteback... and just because he was once a hall of fame quarterback.. he automatically requres a franchise quarterback?

Why do you even bother arguing if that is all you're going to bring to the table? It was the #2 pick in the draft, obviously he and the gms are going to entertain every single option possible. that pick is worth MILLIONS. Also, do you think he just said that out of the blue? Some radio host asked him if he would consider taking a quarterback. Obviously he's going to say that, he's not going to say "Nah, **** it we don't need one."

At the very least, you keep teams guessing as to what you will do with your #2. The hope would be that they would leapfrog Denver to #1 for a QB so that Denver could get their player of choice.

If that's all you can come up with... an incorrect paraphrase... I'm not going to waste my time talking to you.

On the contrary, by the way. The more you play, the more you learn that no one position is the surefire solution to all problems. Your argument is based entirely off your own assumptions and guesses that Elway was a hall of fame quarterback so he MUST have a hall of fame caliber quarterback under center.

The personal attacks aren't necessary.

If you think Elway of all people doesn't realize that QB is the most important position on a team in the NFL you are an idiot. That's not a personal attack, it's just a statement of fact.

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 07:35 PM
Was Elway running that team too? That's news to me...

nope. way to counter our argument though. also, don't even act like fox coming here means nothing in regards to the qb situation.

Agamemnon
08-24-2011, 07:38 PM
See if this is true, then he needs to sit. And this isn't even about Tebow, either. If we're not going to re-sign Orton either way, give Quinn a shot.

Agreed. Starting Orton is all about winning now, and has nothing to do with the long-term. How they think winning now and starting Orton are compatible notions eludes me though.

DBroncos4life
08-24-2011, 07:39 PM
I laugh at people who think Cutler is a franchise QB. Was Jeff George a franchise QB as well? Ha!

Cutler's stats are much better then Jeff Georges. Jeff George didn't have a winning season till his 6th year in the NFL. Cutler already has two and a division championship. Cutler 15,964 yards, 104 TDs, and 79 INTs. George 13,285 yards, 64 TDs, and 64 INTs.

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 07:40 PM
Also got a kick out of:

How is being alright with offering Orton an extension because the team performs well enough to win games being optimistic?

"Yeah, Orton played pretty average overall, nothing special, but the team found a way to win nine games. I'm really optimistic that they sign him for at least five years and $64 million!"

i cited efficiency as the main reason we would keep him around. an efficent quarterback is a valuable commodity.

Agamemnon
08-24-2011, 07:40 PM
nope. way to counter our argument though. also, don't even act like fox coming here means nothing in regards to the qb situation.

So Elway wasn't running that Carolina team (and neither was Fox mind you) but they are going to handle the situation the same? You don't think you're stretching the bounds of logic or anything?

Bob's your Information Minister
08-24-2011, 07:41 PM
He has to convince Andrew Luck not to sign with Denver.

Shananahan
08-24-2011, 07:43 PM
See if this is true, then he needs to sit. And this isn't even about Tebow, either. If we're not going to re-sign Orton either way, give Quinn a shot.
Yep. People got all distracted and confused about who they thought was better or worse, etc, but in my opinion the issue has always come down to the fact that Orton has no future here.

I've never disliked the guy, though he does a lot of things that infuriate me, but he'll have to have a damn good season, win into the playoffs and show himself able to play in a way beyond what his entire career demonstrates he is capable of in order to be resigned.

RhymesayersDU
08-24-2011, 07:44 PM
Agreed. Starting Orton is all about winning now, and has nothing to do with the long-term. How they think winning now and starting Orton are compatible notions eludes me though.

I mean, if they believe we can win now, then that's awesome... But if we can win now with this team, doesn't that mean we should lock up our starting QB sooner rather than later?

Shananahan
08-24-2011, 07:45 PM
i cited efficiency as the main reason we would keep him around. an efficent quarterback is a valuable commodity.
This is the comment that will really kick your trolling into high gear.

Agamemnon
08-24-2011, 07:47 PM
Cutler's stats are much better then Jeff Georges. Jeff George didn't have a winning season till his 6th year in the NFL. Cutler already has two and a division championship. Cutler 15,964 yards, 104 TDs, and 79 INTs. George 13,285 yards, 64 TDs, and 64 INTs.

You're killing me. I guess Cutler is way better than Elway as well right? Nevermind that Cutler plays in a different era for QBs and in said era he is nothing more than mediocre. Yeah nevermind that. The guy has yet to post a season with a 90+ QB rating and has a TD/Int ratio well below the 2 to 1 standard, but he's a franchise QB. ::)

JDB7821
08-24-2011, 07:47 PM
He has to convince Andrew Luck not to sign with Denver.

Bingo.

That said, I was watching some highlights of Andrew Luck the other day and he reminded me an awful lot of Brady Quinn. I haven't gotten to see him play much being in Georgia, but from the highlights his mechanics looked almost identical to Quinn's in my opinion. I hope the Broncos don't go after something they already have on their roster.

Agamemnon
08-24-2011, 07:49 PM
I mean, if they believe we can win now, then that's awesome... But if we can win now with this team, doesn't that mean we should lock up our starting QB sooner rather than later?

I think perhaps it should be rephrased to "winning a couple more games now". I have a hard time believing they actually think they are a serious playoff contender right now.

Agamemnon
08-24-2011, 07:50 PM
Bingo.

That said, I was watching some highlights of Andrew Luck the other day and he reminded me an awful lot of Brady Quinn. I haven't gotten to see him play much being in Georgia, but from the highlights his mechanics looked almost identical to Quinn's in my opinion. I hope the Broncos don't go after something they already have on their roster.

The guy is far more physically gifted than Quinn.

DBroncos4life
08-24-2011, 07:52 PM
You're killing me. I guess Cutler is way better than Elway as well right? Nevermind that Cutler plays in a different era for QBs and in said era he is nothing more than mediocre. Yeah nevermind that. The guy has yet to post a season with a 90+ QB rating and has a TD/Int ratio well below the 2 to 1 standard, but he's a franchise QB. ::)

Elway was a once in a lifetime QB and not all franchise QBs have to be in his mold. John Elways rating topped 90 twice in his 16 year career. Don't let that stop you though.

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 07:54 PM
How so? Delhomme had proven success and had even guided a team to a SuperBowl.

At the time, Delhomme had a bit more credibility than Orton does, don't you think?

Not really. By the way, In 2004, Delhomme's best year, he put up 3800, 29, 15. Orton put up just as good of numbers in 2009 and 2010 (would have topped it in 2010 if not for injury)

If Jake Delhomme guided a team to a superbowl, then Trent Dilfer guided a team to a superbowl. Delhomme and Orton are roughly the same level of player.

Go to any panthers forum, search Jake Delhomme. It's roughly the same **** being said about him that is being said about orton.

the following posts are from 2005-2007.

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Delhomme cannot handle any pressure....

Delhomme cannot handle any pressure. Pathetic.

Once again, I was right.
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**** Delhomme **** Gamble **** Henning ****...

**** Delhomme

**** Gamble

**** Henning

**** this team

Originally Posted by pantherzfan28
i think carolina needs to find a good qb some time because this basanez guy im not sure if he is good enough we dont need another delhomme we need a solid good quarterback as for those that say chris leak and or troy smith is to short look at the sucesses drew brees is having he is the same height as leak.

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Theres a lot of steve smith haters but most people hate delhomme.

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 07:56 PM
So Elway wasn't running that Carolina team (and neither was Fox mind you) but they are going to handle the situation the same? You don't think you're stretching the bounds of logic or anything?

No. I'm just saying I've provided more evidence as to why we're okay with a mediocre quarterback than you have provided with regards to the contrary. Don't you think you were stretching the bounds of logic with your previous point that you refused to counter about elway being a HOF qb so he MUST need a qb?

Shananahan
08-24-2011, 07:56 PM
Delhomme and Orton are roughly the same level of player.

Go to any panthers forum, search Jake Delhomme. It's roughly the same **** being said about him that is being said about orton.
Have you followed Jake Delhomme's career at all since he signed that contract?

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 07:57 PM
This is the comment that will really kick your trolling into high gear.
you have no clue what you are talking about at all. i can literally just say the exact same thing to that really well thought out reply.

JDB7821
08-24-2011, 07:57 PM
The guy is far more physically gifted than Quinn.

I will say he seemed far more accurate from what I saw, I don't think I saw a single throw where his receiver had to slow up even the slightest bit. Like I said though, I don't claim to be an expert on Luck and have only seen him play part of one game on tv.

Agamemnon
08-24-2011, 08:02 PM
Elway was a once in a lifetime QB and not all franchise QBs have to be in his mold. John Elways rating topped 90 twice in his 16 year career. Don't let that stop you though.

Elway played in a different era. Cutler plays in an era where a 90+ QB rating is routinely expected from a guy for him to be called a franchise QB. Cutler compares favorably stats-wise with QBs of past eras but is purely mediocre when compared to his contemporaries.

Agamemnon
08-24-2011, 08:04 PM
No. I'm just saying I've provided more evidence as to why we're okay with a mediocre quarterback than you have provided with regards to the contrary. Don't you think you were stretching the bounds of logic with your previous point that you refused to counter about elway being a HOF qb so he MUST need a qb?

"Okay" is not an acceptable standard for the Denver Broncos. You know this yes?

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 08:05 PM
Have you followed Jake Delhomme's career at all since he signed that contract?

yes. he is terrible. excuse me, here are some better quotes from when he was in his heyday (2004)


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Brees is the next Jake Delhome
What a retarded thread!

Delhomme won games with defense, if you noticed his QB rating/ Td:Int ratio, he wasnt that great


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Brees is the next Jake Delhomme
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Originally posted by: oneofakind
I think that Drew is just having things click. Think about it, he has been extremely inconsistent throughout his entire career. Locking him up in a long term contract like he wants could seriously backfire. I say we trade him torwards the end of the year, unless we are in the playoffs of course, to Miami or Green Bay. Both of those teams are not doing well this year which could lead to some pretty good draft picks come the 2005 draft. We could also make him a franchise player and take the gamble of someone wanting him and trade him then. All in all I think that this is just a one or two year thing. We have to trade him while he still has some value. We already have our "Quaterback of the Future" in Rivers. I think Rivers will be a fine player. He will eventually become better than Drew Brees at any point in Drews career. I am probably going to get smack for this, but it is true.
Jake Delhhomme is CRAP....I actually think Brees might be better, perhaps a one year wonder but still better than Delhomme....how the hell did he get that team to the Super Bowl anyhow....I have always scratched my head on that one. Damn, if Delhomme could take his team to the big game, maybe Brees can win it all......only to dream.....just for a moment.

OMC

Delhomme has a very solid offensive line, and a great running game to work with. Even a rookie like Colt McCoy has been able to take what the defense gives him, move the ball down the field, and lead a solid offensive attack. Now it may be true that there aren't many weapons at all on this offense, but Delhomme just does a terrible job of spreading the ball around. Despite many times being given the opportunity to stand there and wait on a receiver to come open, he still focuses on one guy and makes poor decisions. He finished the game with 86 yards, and 34 of them came on a wounded duck that somehow found it's way into the arms of Massaquoi for a long completion. QB's like Michael Vick would be ecstatic over the kind of time Delhomme gets in the pocket, and the fact that Delhomme is being out-produced by a mid-round rookie QB in this offense is proof that Delhomme's days as a starting QB in the NFL are rapidly coming to a close. In fact, you seriously have to question the Browns decision to go with Delhomme over Seneca Wallace.

Just to clear something up...

Archie wasn't really as great as ESPN and CBS make him seem today, he was average.

He was about as good as Jake Delhomme. Which isn't horrible, but isn't great either.

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 08:10 PM
"Okay" is not an acceptable standard for the Denver Broncos. You know this yes?

You're like my step mom. You corner her and she refuses to accept it, or just ignores it and doesn't listen... and jumps to the next poorly thought out point.

Just so you know... Pat Bowlen could be spending a LOT more money... for this team to win some more ball games. that would have been an acceptable response in 1999. but in 2011, you're a little to late.

Shananahan
08-24-2011, 08:14 PM
Delhomme and Orton are roughly the same level of player.
[Delhomme] is terrible.
So.... tell me again why you're optimistic about resigning Orton?

JDB7821
08-24-2011, 08:15 PM
You're like my step mom. You corner her and she refuses to accept it, or just ignores it and doesn't listen... and jumps to the next poorly thought out point.

Just so you know... Pat Bowlen could be spending a LOT more money... for this team to win some more ball games. that would have been an acceptable response in 1999. but in 2011, you're a little to late.

We'll see how much he opens up his checkbook next offseason, a lot of teams had reservations about this offseason simply because it's the most chaotic in history. That said, one of the things I like that John Fox did was announcing Orton as the clear cut starting quarterback from the beginning and then confirmed it recently. I like Tebow as much as the next guy, but a lot of coaches fail simply because they can't commit to one quarterback. I think they give Orton a legitimate shot and if he fails, even with Tebow developing, they'll go after Luck next year.

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 08:20 PM
So.... tell me again why you're optimistic about resigning Orton?

Okay, so just so were clear... I was absolutely right about that last point. I put the statements from 2004 out there... and you read it.. and you don't even acknowledge it or admit your fault, you just jump to the next point? Damn just like my stepmom too!

So.... tell me again why you're optimistic about resigning Orton?

well first off, you stretched my words incredibly. i don't know that i ever said that i was hugely optimistic about orton in this thread, but i am content with having an average quarterback so long as he improves a bit and we win a couple of ball games. my only point was that we will resign him if he puts up delhomme esque numbers we will resign him. i laid out my argument, and so far none of you have done anything but run in circles and change the subject. it's pathetic.

also... Delhomme proves that you don't need an elite quarterback to get to a superbowl. so does dilfer.

Agamemnon
08-24-2011, 08:21 PM
You're like my step mom. You corner her and she refuses to accept it, or just ignores it and doesn't listen... and jumps to the next poorly thought out point.

Just so you know... Pat Bowlen could be spending a LOT more money... for this team to win some more ball games. that would have been an acceptable response in 1999. but in 2011, you're a little to late.

You corner your step mom? What does that even mean?

And when did I mention anything about Pat Bowlen spending money?

Sorry, but the arguments that you think are sound are just terrible. Very few franchises are going to be satisfied with a QB like Orton, especially an Elway-led Broncos. This is so obvious it boggles my mind that you could think otherwise.

Agamemnon
08-24-2011, 08:23 PM
Okay, so just so were clear... I was absolutely right about that last point. I put the statements from 2004 out there... and you read it.. and you don't even acknowledge it or admit your fault, you just jump to the next point? Damn just like my stepmom too!



well first off, you stretched my words incredibly. i don't know that i ever said that i was hugely optimistic about orton in this thread, but i am content with having an average quarterback so long as he improves a bit and we win a couple of ball games. my only point was that we will resign him if he puts up delhomme esque numbers we will resign him. i laid out my argument, and so far none of you have done anything but run in circles and change the subject. it's pathetic.

also... Delhomme proves that you don't need an elite quarterback to get to a superbowl. so does dilfer.

He already put up Delhomme-like numbers two years in a row. EFX then attempted to trade him. Have you been paying attention?

RhymesayersDU
08-24-2011, 08:26 PM
also... Delhomme proves that you don't need an elite quarterback to get to a superbowl. so does dilfer.

So, 2 average quarterbacks making the SuperBowl, with only 1 winning it, proves it? That sounds like the classic "exception to the rule" considering the number of elite quarterbacks that have won SuperBowls.

But hey, if you want to take a 1 or 2 in 45 shot, be my guest.

Shananahan
08-24-2011, 08:28 PM
Okay, so just so were clear... I was absolutely right about that last point. I put the statements from 2004 out there... and you read it.. and you don't even acknowledge it or admit your fault, you just jump to the next point? Damn just like my stepmom too!
What didn't I acknowledge? Delhomme is trash. He sucked when he signed that giant contract and he's sucked even worse since then. Orton isn't trash, but that doesn't mean he deserves a big contract, either.

well first off, you stretched my words incredibly. i don't know that i ever said that i was hugely optimistic about orton in this thread, but i am content with having an average quarterback so long as he improves a bit and we win a couple of ball games. my only point was that we will resign him if he puts up delhomme esque numbers we will resign him. i laid out my argument, and so far none of you have done anything but run in circles and change the subject. it's pathetic.

also... Delhomme proves that you don't need an elite quarterback to get to a superbowl. so does dilfer.
Your entire premise that because Fox resigned a very mediocre QB once before he'll do it again is flawed. Your entire belief that it would be OK to resign Orton even if he regresses from last year so long as the team wins is not only flawed, but unrealistic. Your assertion that you've made any strong, clear arguments which are being ignored is absurd, as all you've managed to do with the Delhomme comparisons is illustrate precisely why it will take more than mediocre and average for Orton to be resigned.

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 08:28 PM
You corner your step mom? What does that even mean?

And when did I mention anything about Pat Bowlen spending money?

Sorry, but the arguments that you think are sound are just terrible. Very few franchises are going to be satisfied with a QB like Orton, especially an Elway-led Broncos. This is so obvious its boggles my mind that you could think otherwise.

Well you said that the broncos have high standards to maintain AKA winning. You have to spend money to acquire good players to win. Bowlen is not spending as much as he could be. He is more interested in profit than winning at this point in time.

As for my step mom, as a kid i would corner her in arguments/ prove her wrong and she had nowhere to go... so she does what you are doing now

Everything you have said so far has been complete assumption. Elway is definitely going to want a QB over anything else. Franchises aren't satisfied with average quarterbacks.

I laid out my facts earlier as to why we'd definitely entertain extending orton if he continues to be average. quarterbacks do not grow on trees. extending orton would be a wise move if we win 9-10 games because it keep us in that win range for at least another 2-3 years. if we start over at qb, who knows... we could drop to 4 wins.

anyway, you ignore many of my points and or continued to bring up asinine, irrelevant counterpoints. all you can tell me is that my "arguments sound terrible." how about some proof or facts as to why they are terrible besides your own opinons that are based off of nothing but assumption?

Agamemnon
08-24-2011, 08:29 PM
So, 2 average quarterbacks making the SuperBowl, with only 1 winning it, proves it? That sounds like the classic "exception to the rule" considering the number of elite quarterbacks that have won SuperBowls.

But hey, if you want to take a 1 or 2 in 45 shot, be my guest.

I honestly find it mind-boggling that any Broncos fan would be happy with an average QB.

Shananahan
08-24-2011, 08:30 PM
Everything you have said so far has been complete assumption.
Yeah, you're not even trying now.

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 08:30 PM
So, 2 average quarterbacks making the SuperBowl, with only 1 winning it, proves it? That sounds like the classic "exception to the rule" considering the number of elite quarterbacks that have won SuperBowls.

But hey, if you want to take a 1 or 2 in 45 shot, be my guest.

well the argument was that it is physically possible to get to superbowl with a qb of orton's level. that wasn't my original argument... as it has not a whole deal to do with the main issue here, that we somehow strayed from.

the real point is that denver will be content with a qb of that caliber if we win 9-10 games.

RhymesayersDU
08-24-2011, 08:33 PM
well the argument was that it is physically possible to get to superbowl with a qb of orton's level. that wasn't my original argument... as it has not a whole deal to do with the main issue here, that we somehow strayed from.

the real point is that denver will be content with a qb of that caliber if we win 9-10 games.

I agree with your last point to an extent.

I do agree that we'll be happy to be back to winning, be in the playoff hunt, etc.

I disagree in that I think after a couple years of good-but-not-great will get old.

Right now, after a 3-win season, I'd love 9 wins. But I wouldn't be happy with that forever.

Agamemnon
08-24-2011, 08:37 PM
Well you said that the broncos have high standards to maintain AKA winning. You have to spend money to acquire good players to win. Bowlen is not spending as much as he could be. He is more interested in profit than winning at this point in time.

As for my step mom, as a kid i would corner her in arguments/ prove her wrong and she had nowhere to go... so she does what you are doing now

Everything you have said so far has been complete assumption. Elway is definitely going to want a QB over anything else. Franchises aren't satisfied with average quarterbacks.

I laid out my facts earlier as to why we'd definitely entertain extending orton if he continues to be average. quarterbacks do not grow on trees. extending orton would be a wise move if we win 9-10 games because it keep us in that win range for at least another 2-3 years. if we start over at qb, who knows... we could drop to 4 wins.

anyway, you ignore many of my points and or continued to bring up asinine, irrelevant counterpoints. all you can tell me is that my "arguments sound terrible." how about some proof or facts as to why they are terrible besides your own opinons that are based off of nothing but assumption?

You have no points worth paying attention to. Virtually everything you post is nonsensical.

It is well established in this league that a team needs a franchise QB to have a realistic shot at contending. Very few teams are willing to settle for less, and those that do very rarely prove to be more than mediocre. These are facts. To argue otherwise is idiotic. So if you're position is that Elway will likely sign a mediocre Orton if he continues his mediocrity is completely ridiculous. Elway, like nearly every other person running an NFL team, is looking for a franchise QB to make their team a true contender. Period. QBs like Orton almost never get lucrative long-term contracts. They become journeymen that fill in until a team can upgrade.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
08-24-2011, 08:39 PM
For Tebowites....walk on water.

HAT
08-24-2011, 08:40 PM
Pro bowl is meaningless. Cutler made it.

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FYP

Agamemnon
08-24-2011, 08:41 PM
well the argument was that it is physically possible to get to superbowl with a qb of orton's level. that wasn't my original argument... as it has not a whole deal to do with the main issue here, that we somehow strayed from.

the real point is that denver will be content with a qb of that caliber if we win 9-10 games.

Bronco fans' standards haven't changed. We still think in terms of Super Bowls. Sure we'll be happy with 9-10 wins this season after last year, but after that we'll be back to wanting to win championships. And that's simply beyond Orton's reach barring a freakishly good team surrounding him.

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 08:42 PM
What didn't I acknowledge?

you didnt acknowledge that even in 2004, his "prime", he was average. you also made a claim that delhomme was somehow superior to orton in his heyday when that's just not the case. they were both always average.

Your entire belief that it would be OK to resign Orton even if he regresses from last year so long as the team wins is not only flawed, but unrealistic.

You have an atrocious memory. one of my first points was that orton gets extended conditionally: way to twist my words, though! :thumbs:

all i know is that if orton puts up his best numbers ever in terms of efficiency (# of picks, td/int ratio) and this team wins 9-10 games (with an improved D and run game) he WILL be getting an extension.


all you've managed to do with the Delhomme comparisons is illustrate precisely why it will take more than mediocre and average for Orton to be resigned.

This quote... Honestly... Is the single most unintelligent quote I have ever had to force myself to read.

I mean... I literally JUST illustrated how one of the most important figures in our front office thinks its okay to have an average quarterback, ie with a huge, lucrative contract for Delhomme... after a down year in 2005/2006... that orton would have trouble matching.

But yeah, all I've managed to do is frame my argument with the fact that Orton doesn't need to be superman to get resigned. You're right. LOL

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 08:44 PM
I honestly find it mind-boggling that any Broncos fan would be happy with an average QB.

cool story bro.

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 08:49 PM
Bronco fans' standards haven't changed. We still think in terms of Super Bowls. Sure we'll be happy with 9-10 wins this season after last year, but after that we'll be back to wanting to win championships. And that's simply beyond Orton's reach barring a freakishly good team surrounding him.

okay, but its about baby steps, it's not madden. and we're taking those baby steps towards that freakishly good team with guys like Von. this is the best pass rush we've had in a damn long time. Knowshon is looking good. Maybe he'll even play like a second rounder this year! (Yes, he was a first rounder) We can't just expect to jump from 3-13 to super bowl champions. Orton isn't the issue right now. He is a capable piece who will not hurt our pursuit of a playoff run. Let's get back to the playoffs, and maybe groom a guy like Tebow or Quinn under his wing for a few years like we're doing (you LOVE one of those guys... don't know why you'd have complains with grooming him) and see where it lands us.

Agamemnon
08-24-2011, 08:49 PM
cool story bro.

Honestly are you a pre-Elway or post-Elway fan? I'm curious.

Agamemnon
08-24-2011, 08:52 PM
okay, but its about baby steps, it's not madden. and we're taking those baby steps towards that freakishly good team with guys like Von. this is the best pass rush we've had in a damn long time. Knowshon is looking good. Maybe he'll even play like a second rounder this year! (Yes, he was a first rounder) We can't just expect to jump from 3-13 to super bowl champions. Orton isn't the issue right now. He is a capable piece who will not hurt our pursuit of a playoff run. Let's get back to the playoffs, and maybe groom a guy like Tebow or Quinn under his wing for a few years like we're doing (you LOVE one of those guys... don't know why you'd have complains with grooming him) and see where it lands us.

Orton was 1-5 in games within 8 points or less, and was atrocious in the redzone last year. He is definitely one of the issues on this team. The position that he isn't simply doesn't compute for me.

HAT
08-24-2011, 08:53 PM
Honestly are you a pre-Elway or post-Elway fan? I'm curious.

Whatever his answer is.....Still better than your post Tebow fandom.

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 08:54 PM
You have no points worth paying attention to. Virtually everything you post is nonsensical.

That is your opinion. I don't think you're a very intelligent fellow, so that really means nothing to me.

It is well established in this league that a team needs a franchise QB to have a realistic shot at contending. Very few teams are willing to settle for less, and those that do very rarely prove to be more than mediocre. These are facts.

That is true. A franchise quarterback gives a team a much better chance of winning. But if you win 9-10 games with Orton quarterback (my main ****ing argument) that is contending! That's a fact! That's a playoff birth!


Elway, like nearly every other person running an NFL team, is looking for a franchise QB to make their team a true contender. Period. QBs like Orton almost never get lucrative long-term contracts. They become journeymen that fill in until a team can upgrade.

Of course he is! They don't grow on trees! IF we finish 9-10 (for the last freaking time) then we will NOT be in contention for a franchise quarterback! We will resign Orton! We will use our first to try to get into that 11-12 win range! THAT's a fact!

Finger Roll
08-24-2011, 08:55 PM
Why the hell would we want to resign Orton? The guy is nothing more than a stop-gap guy. There's a reason why nobody wanted to trade for this clown

Agamemnon
08-24-2011, 08:55 PM
Whatever his answer is.....Still better than your post Tebow fandom.

I've been a Broncos fan since the mid-80s dip****.

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 08:59 PM
Orton was 1-5 in games within 8 points or less, and was atrocious in the redzone last year. He is definitely one of the issues on this team. The position that he isn't simply doesn't compute for me.

Okay, and Champ Bailey was also 1-5 in games within 8 points or less.And so was Brandon Lloyd. Are they also the problem? Or is your argument that our quarterback MUST be the savior to all of our problems otherwise he's not worth it?

HAT
08-24-2011, 08:59 PM
I've been a Broncos fan since the mid-80s dip****.

No you haven't. You've been a Broncos fan since April of 2010.

Agamemnon
08-24-2011, 09:00 PM
That is your opinion. I don't think you're a very intelligent fellow, so that really means nothing to me.


That's cool. So why are we discussing any of this? Based off the "opinions" you hold I'm pretty sure you're a retard so really we should just move on...

vonqkilla
08-24-2011, 09:03 PM
I have a ? for everyone.

If 2011 Neckbeard Qb 'd the Bears in the SB loss to Indy, do they pull it out, or at least right there?



If so, then ...

Agamemnon
08-24-2011, 09:04 PM
No you haven't. You've been a Broncos fan since April of 2010.

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Jimmy
08-24-2011, 09:05 PM
That's cool. So why are we discussing any of this?

Just trying to shed some light on the mentally handicapped. I'm a charitable guy, I like to work with people like you. It was worth a try.

Agamemnon
08-24-2011, 09:07 PM
Just trying to shed some light on the mentally handicapped. I'm a charitable guy, I like to work with people like you. It was worth a try.

Says the guy that supports the re-signing of Kyle Mother****ing Orton. Ha!

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 09:11 PM
Says the guy that supports the re-signing of Kyle Mother****ing Orton. Ha!

dude. we get it. you're a tebow-head who can't stand kyle orton. that's not an insult at all. it's what i've been arguing for the last several hours.

i feel like jane ****ing goodall right now.

Finger Roll
08-24-2011, 09:14 PM
Says the guy that supports the re-signing of Kyle Mother****ing Orton. Ha!

I know right. I think I'd rather see some random fan like Jimmy play QB than some bum like Orton

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 09:16 PM
Says the guy that supports the re-signing of Kyle Mother****ing Orton. Ha!

oh.. and let's get one thing straight... i support the resigning IF we go 9-10 and he has one of his most efficient seasons ever. I really don't think that's too bizarre.

HAT
08-24-2011, 09:26 PM
Says the guy that supports the re-signing of Kyle Mother****ing Orton. Ha!

There's not a Bronco fan on this board who wouldn't support the re-signing of KMFO.

KMFO only gets re-signed with Broncos success.....Why are you rooting against Bronco success?

Hypothetically, I mean. We all know why you, specifically, are rooting against Broncos success. You're too emotionally invested in The Teebz.

The rest of us will stay content with KMFO captaining the ship and Tebow being nails around the goal line.

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 09:32 PM
Why are you rooting against Bronco success?



Because apparently, even if Kyle Orton is part of a 10 win season, we need to dump Orton and go to the franchise-quarterback store down the street.

Don't even bother with him - some people see what they want to see.

One thing I think is ironic though is that I'm fairly sure that if Ags spent just 15 minutes with his idol, Mr. Tebow... Tim would become an avid supporter of abortion.

There's a solution for everything.

http://i52.tinypic.com/3a9i0.jpg

Shananahan
08-24-2011, 09:39 PM
But yeah, all I've managed to do is frame my argument with the fact that Orton doesn't need to be superman to get resigned. You're right. LOL
Well.....

he really doesn't have to do that much to get a contract. it's more about team performance and less about if he throws for 4,000 yards and 25 TD's. once again, we don't need him to be something he isn't. he can play like delhomme in 2004 or whatever it was and he will get an extension if this team wins 9-10 games.

JDB7821
08-24-2011, 09:40 PM
I have a ? for everyone.

If 2011 Neckbeard Qb 'd the Bears in the SB loss to Indy, do they pull it out, or at least right there?



If so, then ...

I don't think they pull it out, but I think he would've had similar results. That said, Orton isn't a guy that's going to win you a Super Bowl. You have to find a guy that inspires hope among the team, the coaching staff, the front office, and the fans. Nothing creates excitement like a high draft pick at quarterback which EVERYONE can get behind.

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 09:41 PM
Well.....

okay, thank you for providing another quote where i say that orton does not need to carry this team for him to be resigned.

Shananahan
08-24-2011, 09:49 PM
Then why haven't they resigned him yet?

Your entire 'argument' is based on the assumption that because a mediocre QB was resigned to a lucrative contract in Carolina while Fox was coach, a mediocre QB will again be resigned to a lucrative contract in Denver while Fox is coach.

JDB7821
08-24-2011, 09:50 PM
Then why haven't they resigned him yet?

Your entire 'argument' is based on the assumption that because a mediocre QB was resigned to a lucrative contract in Carolina while Fox was coach, a mediocre QB will again be resigned to a lucrative contract in Denver while Fox is coach.

They haven't resigned him because they haven't seen him play under their watch yet. Simple as that.

Finger Roll
08-24-2011, 09:56 PM
no, it's because he sucks. Why else were they trying to trade him?

OABB
08-24-2011, 09:57 PM
Orton was 1-5 in games within 8 points or less, and was atrocious in the redzone last year. He is definitely one of the issues on this team. The position that he isn't simply doesn't compute for me.

i can see why he gives us the best chance to win.

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 09:57 PM
Your entire 'argument' is based on the assumption that because a mediocre QB was resigned to a lucrative contract in Carolina while Fox was coach, a mediocre QB will again be resigned to a lucrative contract in Denver while Fox is coach.

No. But I understand why you'd think I said that. Because you didn't take the time to read half of what I said, including what I quoted below. Guess I know to avoid you too, since you don't take the time to read before you argue.


Then why haven't they resigned him yet?



Orton not being resigned this offseason season really doesn't help your argument.

We won 3 games last year and Orton was involved in a QB controversy that just ended because our 3rd string quarterback (a former #1 pick) showed flashes. Orton also shat the bed down the stretch once teams like KC figured out that they didn't have to play the run game AT ALL and that there was no reason to be concerned with play-action. Are you surprised that we had no interest in resigning a Quarterback given those circumstances? I'm not. I hope you're not.

I agree that there is a better chance he will see his numbers decline, I think that he will be as (if not more) efficient, and that our D will win us an extra 4-5 games. We will also have a rushing attack, knock on wood-laminate.

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 09:59 PM
no, it's because he sucks. Why else were they trying to trade him?

Because... heh.. hold on let me gather myself... because they thought tebow had enough talent, present day, to win us games past a 3 game sample size. and then it took them about 3 snaps in camp to see how foolish that thought was.

Shananahan
08-24-2011, 10:01 PM
I don't think Denver thinks it needs a franchise-caliber QB to be successful, and feel they can win with an average guy like Orton. That's kinda obvious given that it's their plan this season.

I think there's a difference between feeling OK with an average guy and opting for an average guy. I refuse to believe they would actively pay an assload of money to a quarterback who does not contribute to wins himself (Delhomme, Orton, etc). I mean, if they do have team success with average QB play next season wouldn't that be all the more reason not to overpay for it?

HAT
08-24-2011, 10:02 PM
no, it's because he sucks. Why else were they trying to trade him?

Wait, what? Did you actually just infer that only people who suck get traded?

That's dragster stupid right there.

Finger Roll
08-24-2011, 10:03 PM
If they thought Orton was any good they wouldn't put him on the trading block. Do you think the Chargers would put Philip Rivers on the block, lol.

Shananahan
08-24-2011, 10:04 PM
No. But I understand why you'd think I said that. Because you didn't take the time to read half of what I said, including what I quoted below. Guess I know to avoid you too, since you don't take the time to read before you argue.
Jesus Christ. What the hell was the point of talking about Delhomme if not to prove that the front office would reward mediocrity?

Finger Roll
08-24-2011, 10:04 PM
Wait, what? Did you actually just infer that only people who suck get traded?

That's dragster stupid right there.

When it comes to QB's yes. Nobody would put a good QB on the market

Finger Roll
08-24-2011, 10:05 PM
name me the last good qb on the trade market?

OABB
08-24-2011, 10:05 PM
not onky do they not think hes good and tried to trade him...only one team wanted him and refused to.meet his demands.



because...let me collect myself....he sucks.

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 10:08 PM
If they thought Orton was any good they wouldn't put him on the trading block. Do you think the Chargers would put Philip Rivers on the block, lol.

Well, child... It looks like you have a lot to learn about the business of football.

Do you think Kyle Orton is nearly the level of player Rivers is? Did any of us "Pro-Orton" guys ever say anything like that? Moot point.

Was Brandon Marshall good? Was Clinton Portis Good? If Denver thought they were good, then why were they on the block? So...Why was Orton put on the block? It's called depth. It's called taking a leap of faith in a guy you invested 6 million dollars and a 1st round pick in. They clearly under-researched Tebow, b/c it looks like Quinn would have been the starter anyway. but that's why. And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. It just takes somebody with an IQ of 70. I'm sorry you didnt make the cut.

HAT
08-24-2011, 10:09 PM
If they thought Orton was any good they wouldn't put him on the trading block.

Wait, what?

That's jhns type stupid right there.

Please tell me you are either drunk or a tween or something? I refuse to believe a sober, grown ass man thinks only people who suck get shopped in pro sports.

Finger Roll
08-24-2011, 10:09 PM
not onky do they not think hes good and tried to trade him...only one team wanted him and refused to.meet his demands.



because...let me collect myself....he sucks.

I'm actually shocked their are people who thinks he's good. What games were they watching?

HAT
08-24-2011, 10:10 PM
When it comes to QB's yes. Nobody would put a good QB on the market

Wait, what?

That's BF7 type stupid right there.

Finger Roll
08-24-2011, 10:10 PM
Wait, what?

That's jhns type stupid right there.

Please tell me you are either drunk or a tween or something? I refuse to believe a sober, grown ass man thinks only people who suck get shopped in pro sports.

Just stop while you're are behind

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 10:11 PM
Jesus Christ. What the hell was the point of talking about Delhomme if not to prove that the front office would reward mediocrity?

well it was part of my point... but it wasn't my entire point like you thought it was? i iz confused...

HAT
08-24-2011, 10:11 PM
name me the last good qb on the trade market?

Not Cutler. :wiggle:

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 10:13 PM
Just stop while you're are behind

no... i'm pretty sure he's ahead right now.

HAT
08-24-2011, 10:17 PM
Just stop while you're are behind

no, it's because he sucks. Why else were they trying to trade him?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_TwAbZhMGVEw/RrqEwNhZs3I/AAAAAAAABuE/_cmOo_doCmc/s400/gretzky_kings_trade.jpg

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Finger Roll
08-24-2011, 10:20 PM
Thank god for ignore

Jimmy
08-24-2011, 10:23 PM
Thank god for ignore

already used that one, big guy




There's a solution for everything.

http://i52.tinypic.com/3a9i0.jpg
glad to see you're trying to learn from me, or at least that you think i have some venom.

HAT
08-24-2011, 10:31 PM
Thank god for ignore

I don't ask for much Taco......But can we please add a smiley for my friend finger roll here?

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg281/aebuitenhuiswoudenberg/smileys/backpedal.gif

Thanks in advance!

vancejohnson82
08-24-2011, 11:12 PM
name me the last good qb on the trade market?

this is straight up retarded

Brees?
Kolb?
Tebow?

Archer81
08-24-2011, 11:37 PM
Win 2 superbowls. Cut the deficit and solve world hunger and that only nets him an attaboy.


:Broncos:

go_broncos
08-25-2011, 12:18 AM
If Mcd is our coach..he would have extended orton after we win couple of games.
Orton is done in Denver after this season.
I even think that Tebow will be our starting QB at some point this season
(either Orton gets injured or he gets benched)

Agamemnon
08-25-2011, 04:10 AM
This thread confirms a suspicion that I've had for a while. Orton fans have brain damage. It's the only reasonable explanation.

Agamemnon
08-25-2011, 04:18 AM
They haven't resigned him because they haven't seen him play under their watch yet. Simple as that.

Wow...

Lolad
08-25-2011, 04:52 AM
I would extend him as part of a trade because when you trip on your dick, have your wallet land on the table and pull the winning lottery ticket you pawn that off on some other chump for premium picks and move on. Dilfer the dude man. Dilfer the dude.

we can always tag him. and trade just like the patriots did with Cassel

Kaylore
08-25-2011, 05:18 AM
I can see them extending him this year even if we suck, unfortunately. Especially if Tebow continues to be outplayed by him and Quinn.

jhns
08-25-2011, 06:24 AM
People trade good players, they just go for a lot(Cutler/Marshall, granted, this usually takes a guy as retarded as hats hero). People trade average players and they go for little. People try to trade **** players and it fails because no one will give stuff up for that player (Orton)...

howardhenry92
08-25-2011, 06:25 AM
the more wins ,the better , i think

Finger Roll
08-25-2011, 07:58 AM
this is straight up retarded

Brees?
Kolb?
Tebow?

Kolb and Tebow are good qb's? That's news to me

OABB
08-25-2011, 08:19 AM
I can see them extending him this year even if we suck, unfortunately. Especially if Tebow continues to be outplayed by him and Quinn.

just a semantic argument from me, but the word."continue" implies that something has happened and keeps happening.

you should have said "starts" to be outplayed. or continues works in regards to practice.

orange 4 life
08-25-2011, 12:41 PM
The organization has already shown that they care about winning as opposed to hurting the feelings of Tebow fans.
I feel bad for the kid (it's not his fault he was drafted in the 1st round!!) because there SHOULDN'T be the kind of expectations there has been. Had he been drafted in the 3rd round it likely wouldn't be an issue.

And some of his fans being SO rabid has likely made the team feel the need to be extra critical. Also not fair.

That said I must agree with most of the criticism. Virtually EVERYONE that has been at practices will tell you that he has been CLEARLY outplayed by both Orton and Quinn.
As for Weber I'm not seeing it but I'm guessing a lot of people in the organization (players, coaches, and front office) are tired of hearing how Tebow "deserves a shot" when they see how far behind he is so they are probably feeling the need to try and knock the kid down even further than he deserves. I'm not agreeing with it but I do understand it. They have to do what's best for the Broncos and what may be best is to trade or release him (as was being speculated often yesterday) and finally end ANY controversy with regards to the qb position. By all accounts there is NO division in the locker room but it would be nice to have no division with the fans either. Hasn't really happened since Elway was here and IMHO Orton IS the guy to unify everyone.

I for one hope Tebow finds success with another team (there are more than a few that would love to have him just to put butts in the seats and sell jerseys) or embraces his situation here as a role player.
I don't really wanna see him under center but lining him up occasionally at fullback, halfback, or even as a slot receiver could be interesting and allow us to keep our top QB in the game AND utilize the kid's amazing athletic ability.

ALL that said I just hope Bronco fans (around town anyway as it seems many people not seeing/hearing daily events feel very differently) continue to come together and get 100% behind the guys actually playing. I like Tim as a person as much as anyone but I just don't see him as an NFL qb. I hope he proves me wrong but everything I've seen thus far (including his amazing work ethic) tells me that at best he'll be a career back up.

TheReverend
08-25-2011, 12:43 PM
The organization has already shown that they care about winning as opposed to hurting the feelings of Tebow fans.
I feel bad for the kid (it's not his fault he was drafted in the 1st round!!) because there SHOULDN'T be the kind of expectations there has been. Had he been drafted in the 3rd round it likely wouldn't be an issue.

And some of his fans being SO rabid has likely made the team feel the need to be extra critical. Also not fair.

That said I must agree with most of the criticism. Virtually EVERYONE that has been at practices will tell you that he has been CLEARLY outplayed by both Orton and Quinn.
As for Weber I'm not seeing it but I'm guessing a lot of people in the organization (players, coaches, and front office) are tired of hearing how Tebow "deserves a shot" when they see how far behind he is so they are probably feeling the need to try and knock the kid down even further than he deserves. I'm not agreeing with it but I do understand it. They have to do what's best for the Broncos and what may be best is to trade or release him (as was being speculated often yesterday) and finally end ANY controversy with regards to the qb position. By all accounts there is NO division in the locker room but it would be nice to have no division with the fans either. Hasn't really happened since Elway was here and IMHO Orton IS the guy to unify everyone.

I for one hope Tebow finds success with another team (there are more than a few that would love to have him just to put butts in the seats and sell jerseys) or embraces his situation here as a role player.
I don't really wanna see him under center but lining him up occasionally at fullback, halfback, or even as a slot receiver could be interesting and allow us to keep our top QB in the game AND utilize the kid's amazing athletic ability.

ALL that said I just hope Bronco fans (around town anyway as it seems many people not seeing/hearing daily events feel very differently) continue to come together and get 100% behind the guys actually playing. I like Tim as a person as much as anyone but I just don't see him as an NFL qb. I hope he proves me wrong but everything I've seen thus far (including his amazing work ethic) tells me that at best he'll be a career back up.

You probably have the all time worst taste in QBs.

Seriously I think Woody Paige has a better track record.

orange 4 life
08-27-2011, 11:14 AM
Really?

So I was wrong about Cutler?
Seems to me I was dead on accurate. The mistake with Cantler wasn't trading him but rather drafting him in the first place.

And 9 out of 10 Bronco fans around town these days will tell you they wanted to KEEP Plummer.
Nice revisionist history!!

More importantly people that AREN'T Bronco fans and have no bias have virtually all agreed that drafting Cutler (after 10-6, 10-6, and 13-3 seasons ending with AWFUL performances from the defense) after the '05 season was a huge mistake.

But go on and insult me if it makes you feel better.
It doesn't change the fact that it's been all downhill since my "worst taste of all time qb" Jake Plummer left town. The arguments put forth by a lot of people on this board are just staggering.

orange 4 life
08-27-2011, 11:22 AM
P.S.- When Cutler became our starter, I got 100% behind him and cheered for him just as loud as I had for everyone before.

And if Tebow ever does become our starter I'll be cheering HIM on when you people are trying to run him out of town.

......And you WILL try to run him out of town. He's not gonna be an Elway/Young (to bring Paige's idiotic quote into it) type of player. He may end up (at best IMO) being as good as Orton is now. Different but about the same level of play. Not an elite qb but a solid 2nd tier guy and one that can certainly win with the right pieces around.
But that won't be good enough for you just like it wasn't with Plummer, Cutler, and now Orton.

My "taste" in QB's is the guy out on the field leading our team. Your taste seems to be the fantasy that whoever is the current backup will somehow become the next John Elway.
Excuse me for being firmly entrenched in reality.

Shananahan
08-27-2011, 11:58 AM
So your favorite QB is always the guy who's starting?

That's a pretty safe opinion.

bendog
08-27-2011, 01:10 PM
The only way Orton's on the roster in a year is if Tebow's played himslef off it.

Powderaddict
08-27-2011, 01:26 PM
I guess Orton can find the switch and turn it on this year, but I feel we've seen him long enough to know what he is. An average QB that needs a damn good team around him to be successful.

I don't see Denver committing to him long term unless he drastically changes the type of player he is. Since he will be showcasing his talents for the entire NFL to see, at least he'll be driven to be the best QB he can be, so we should get a pretty clear picture of his best.

orange 4 life
08-27-2011, 02:00 PM
So your favorite QB is always the guy who's starting?

That's a pretty safe opinion.

You think so? Quite the opposite actually!!
Since Elway retired it's an extremely UNPOPULAR idea around here!!

And yes, my favorite QB is the one starting once he's shown that he can get it done.
Plummer showed that and had my full support. Cutler showed it (at least physically speaking. I never liked his attitude but after '06 we didn't have a better option) and he was my guy.
Orton has most definitely proved that he can get it done and I'm excited to see what he can do with a running game and solid coaching so of course I'm 100% behind him. I believe he'll impress a lot of people.
No one disputes his ability between the 20's and there's every indication to believe that this season he'll be able to get it done in the red zone also.

About the only time I HAVEN'T been behind the starter is the few occasions when the starter has been replaced by an inferior player.
That was Cutler in '06 and Tebow last year.
If and when Tebow can beat out Orton then I'll be his biggest fan.

Shananahan
08-27-2011, 02:26 PM
The more I think about it, that's not even an opinion at all.

ZONA
08-27-2011, 03:00 PM
You have to go by performance, not wins. If the defense sucks big time, how could that be the QB's fault.


>3500 yards
>29 TD's
<12 INT's
>50% 3rd Down Efficiency

If Orton does this - he gets a contract

bendog
08-27-2011, 03:55 PM
It will take an act of God.

strafen
08-27-2011, 04:13 PM
Kyle mother****in' Orton.
Hell no!!! Ha!