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Garcia Bronco
08-22-2011, 07:09 PM
According to Mort on the ESPN halftime Orton news.

I guess this means people can start to understand Tim isn't ready But they haven't given up on him.


Let the healing begin.

OABB
08-22-2011, 07:11 PM
it helps. if true.

TheReverend
08-22-2011, 07:13 PM
CYA time

LRtagger
08-22-2011, 07:15 PM
lol traded tomorrow

baja
08-22-2011, 07:15 PM
Hey maybe, just maybe, he's not ready. Ever consider that?

montrose
08-22-2011, 07:16 PM
From Mort? The same guy who said Shanny-to-KC and McD was shopping Cutler?

See ya Tim...

DBroncos4life
08-22-2011, 07:18 PM
Hey maybe, just maybe, he's not ready. Ever consider that?

I've seen quotes from Steve Young saying he is.

Archer81
08-22-2011, 07:27 PM
We'll see, I suppose.


:Broncos:

vonqkilla
08-22-2011, 07:39 PM
What do I do with all these jerseys?

Seriously, this mob mentality is sad, he goes from possible starter to burned at the stake in 3 weeks.

Tim Tebow is my fav Bronco, and I'd take him with the ones over Orton this season because Tebow wont get better without playing.

But starting KO is good, keep the vets on D happy w the game manager so they can feel like they are going all out to win it all until we are out of it, then, Tebowtime.

I get it.

SoCalBronco
08-22-2011, 07:42 PM
We'll see who wins this PR game.

Gort
08-22-2011, 07:42 PM
if Fox and Elway feel the need to get as many wins as they can this year while figuring out what our needs are for the next offseason, and while still seeing Tebow as needing another year or two holding a clipboard on the sidelines, i'm ok with that.

i just didn't want to see them toss Tebow overboard just because he wasn't one of "their guys".

DENVERDUI55
08-22-2011, 07:42 PM
Just throw him in on Luck tradeup.

Gort
08-22-2011, 07:44 PM
According to Mort on the ESPN halftime Orton news.

I guess this means people can start to understand Tim isn't ready But they haven't given up on him.


Let the healing begin.

somewhere in a homeless shelter with internet access, a guy who is nuts about tailgating just read this and his head exploded.

Bob's your Information Minister
08-22-2011, 07:47 PM
That's really specific.

BroncoFiend
08-22-2011, 07:49 PM
Just throw him in on Luck tradeup.

There will be no Luck trade-up. With the new rookie salary cap and the reports on how he is projected to play in the NFL, whoever gets the first pick is certainly going to just take him.

vonqkilla
08-22-2011, 07:57 PM
There will be no Luck trade-up. With the new rookie salary cap and the reports on how he is projected to play in the NFL, whoever gets the first pick is certainly going to just take him.
Carolina wouldnt. Not w out moving CNewton.

DENVERDUI55
08-22-2011, 07:57 PM
There will be no Luck trade-up. With the new rookie salary cap and the reports on how he is projected to play in the NFL, whoever gets the first pick is certainly going to just take him.

You know I'm joking. Hr is going to be a bengal.

FireFly
08-22-2011, 08:01 PM
You know I'm joking. Hr is going to be a bengal.

I don't think he will.

I actually think he'll (Luck) be a Redskin or a Bill.

I can't think of too many other teams that will be in a position to grab him that need a 1st QB, i.e. teams that haven't recently selected a 1st rd QB

Archer81
08-22-2011, 08:03 PM
I don't think he will.

I actually think he'll (Luck) be a Redskin or a Bill.

I can't think of too many other teams that will be in a position to grab him that need a 1st QB, i.e. teams that haven't recently selected a 1st rd QB


If Cinci gets the first pick I dont think they will be adverse to selecting Luck, even if they spent a high second to get Dalton the year before.


:Broncos:

OrangeCrush2724
08-22-2011, 08:04 PM
I've seen quotes from Steve Young saying he is.

What makes Steve young's opinion better than Elway's?

GoHAM
08-22-2011, 08:05 PM
I don't think he will.

I actually think he'll (Luck) be a Redskin or a Bill.

I can't think of too many other teams that will be in a position to grab him that need a 1st QB, i.e. teams that haven't recently selected a 1st rd QB

I'd throw Seattle's hat in that ring. Playoffs and all.

Archer81
08-22-2011, 08:06 PM
What makes Steve young's opinion better than Elway's?


About equal. Its not like its praise from Merril Hodge.


:Broncos:

DBroncos4life
08-22-2011, 08:07 PM
What makes Steve young's opinion better than Elway's?

Ask MacGruder.

vonqkilla
08-22-2011, 08:07 PM
Bengals should be worst. Elway would be smart to trade whatever it takes for Luck. Luck will pull an Elway and refuse the Bengals, John pulls a Kaiser for him. Plans been in motion for 12 months.


Clady, Tebow, Doom and our 10th overall pick for Luck?

???

Would you?
Bet I know Johns answer.

Dagmar
08-22-2011, 08:09 PM
Bengals should be worst. Elway would be smart to trade whatever it takes for Luck. Luck will pull an Elway and refuse the Bengals, John pulls a Kaiser for him.


Clady, Tebow, Doom nd our 10th overall pick for Luck?

???

Would you?
Bet I know Johns answer.

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/7/20/8ee47326-ee11-4fda-92f0-a9c6dfc5095f.gif

DarkHorse30
08-22-2011, 08:09 PM
According to Mort on the ESPN halftime Orton news.

I guess this means people can start to understand Tim isn't ready But they haven't given up on him.


Let the healing begin.

I think it will "accidentally" boil down to contract escalators. I think all 3 QBs will start/play exactly enough to NOT get their bonus. Somebody already did a thread on this but I'm too lazy to look it up.

DBroncos4life
08-22-2011, 08:11 PM
Bengals should be worst. Elway would be smart to trade whatever it takes for Luck. Luck will pull an Elway and refuse the Bengals, John pulls a Kaiser for him. Plans been in motion for 12 months.


Clady, Tebow, Doom and our 10th overall pick for Luck?

???

Would you?
Bet I know Johns answer.

There isn't a baby in my town I wouldn't murder if we did that trade.

DENVERDUI55
08-22-2011, 08:12 PM
Elway says future plans. He didn't say future plans with Denver Broncos maybe they will shop him. I actually think they should use him like his freshman year at Florida.

vonqkilla
08-22-2011, 08:15 PM
There isn't a baby in my town I wouldn't murder if we did that trade.

If it guaranteed playoffs like Manning, sign me up.

DBroncos4life
08-22-2011, 08:17 PM
If it guaranteed playoffs like Manning, sign me up.

It wouldn't at all.

Taco John
08-22-2011, 08:17 PM
Call me crazy, but I actually believe Elway on this. I think it's clear that the organization doesn't think that Tebow is ready to be our every down quarterback, but I believe that the organization is keeping an open mind on him and are going to use him on spot downs. I think there's a good chance that Tebow becomes a very important part of this offense this year.

Archer81
08-22-2011, 08:21 PM
Call me crazy, but I actually believe Elway on this. I think it's clear that the organization doesn't think that Tebow is ready to be our every down quarterback, but I believe that the organization is keeping an open mind on him and are going to use him on spot downs. I think there's a good chance that Tebow becomes a very important part of this offense this year.


It appears the team was going to trade Orton, then realized they have a more solid team then they anticipated. Next season should be different, but this year is Ortons...not awesome...but we could be Cinci. So it makes sense for Elway to say that Tebow is in the team's plans.

Small steps.

:Broncos:

MplsBronco
08-22-2011, 08:25 PM
Call me crazy, but I actually believe Elway on this. I think it's clear that the organization doesn't think that Tebow is ready to be our every down quarterback, but I believe that the organization is keeping an open mind on him and are going to use him on spot downs. I think there's a good chance that Tebow becomes a very important part of this offense this year.

This is what I want to believe as well. Get created with it, catch teams off guard. It seemed forced last year at times. And use him in the middle of the field as, not just goal to goal.

smoke4815162342
08-22-2011, 08:26 PM
When has a Vote of Confidence ever actually been true?

Los Broncos
08-22-2011, 08:26 PM
I would like too see him in a red zone role this season if he isn't going to start.

Kaylore
08-22-2011, 08:26 PM
There are more than two ways this can go. Everyone thinks either Tebow starts or he's traded or even cut.

Did anyone consider there are a myriad of options with this? No of course not. It's more fun to react to the audacity of the third string QB being not ready to play.

Dr. Broncenstein
08-22-2011, 08:27 PM
Touchpoint!

SoCalBronco
08-22-2011, 08:32 PM
I doubt they'll trade him. The FO has pressure from the fans not to do it because they love Tebow and they have pressure from the old man because of the extra sales receipts.

epicSocialism4tw
08-22-2011, 08:34 PM
I doubt they'll trade him. The FO has pressure from the fans not to do it because they love Tebow and they have pressure from the old man because of the extra sales receipts.

Yeah, but they dont have the stones to put him on the field.

Mogulseeker
08-22-2011, 08:34 PM
Elway says future plans. He didn't say future plans with Denver Broncos maybe they will shop him. I actually think they should use him like his freshman year at Florida.

Didn't Urban initially want to play him at MLB?

Garcia Bronco
08-22-2011, 08:37 PM
From Mort? The same guy who said Shanny-to-KC and McD was shopping Cutler?

See ya Tim...

He said it was a statement from Elway.

Garcia Bronco
08-22-2011, 08:39 PM
That's really specific.

Obviously the expectation is he'll improve. Honestly...if he doesn't improve he won't play.

TailgateNut
08-22-2011, 08:39 PM
it helps. if true.


Now you can stop your whining, you little bitch

DBroncos4life
08-22-2011, 08:39 PM
I doubt they'll trade him. The FO has pressure from the fans not to do it because they love Tebow and they have pressure from the old man because of the extra sales receipts.

Jersey sales will keep him around for all 5 years.

epicSocialism4tw
08-22-2011, 08:41 PM
Obviously the expectation is he'll improve. Honestly...if he doesn't improve he won't play.

I have still yet to see anything that suggests that he needs to improve at all to unseat Orton.

TailgateNut
08-22-2011, 08:41 PM
if Fox and Elway feel the need to get as many wins as they can this year while figuring out what our needs are for the next offseason, and while still seeing Tebow as needing another year or two holding a clipboard on the sidelines, i'm ok with that.

i just didn't want to see them toss Tebow overboard just because he wasn't one of "their guys".


awww, how sweet. LOL

Garcia Bronco
08-22-2011, 08:44 PM
It appears the team was going to trade Orton, then realized they have a more solid team then they anticipated. Next season should be different, but this year is Ortons...not awesome...but we could be Cinci. So it makes sense for Elway to say that Tebow is in the team's plans.

Small steps.

:Broncos:

According to Griese during the first preseason broadcast, Orton is the one that asked for a trade. If that's the case, then trading him wasn't something the team really wanted to do. Plus there had been no off-season evaluation period.

Garcia Bronco
08-22-2011, 08:48 PM
I have still yet to see anything that suggests that he needs to improve at all to unseat Orton.

He's sketchy out there. Just give him time. He'll be there if he is who he says he is.

HAT
08-22-2011, 08:51 PM
Ummmm, yeah. The F in QBOTF stands for future. Tebow is without a doubt the Broncos QBOTF.

3 wins or 11 this year, doesn't matter. Denver is NOT drafting a QB in the 1st round next year (It's not like Snyder would ever trade the #1 pick anyway).

Elway is enamored with Tebow and he will be a Bronco for life.

TailgateNut
08-22-2011, 08:52 PM
Ummmm, yeah. The F in QBOTF stands for future. Tebow is without a doubt the Broncos QBOTF.

3 wins or 11 this year, doesn't matter. Denver is NOT drafting a QB in the 1st round next year (It's not like Snyder would ever trade the #1 pick anyway).

Elway is enamored with Tebow and he will be a Bronco for life.


WOW! you are delusional

SoCalBronco
08-22-2011, 08:55 PM
Ummmm, yeah. The F in QBOTF stands for future. Tebow is without a doubt the Broncos QBOTF.

3 wins or 11 this year, doesn't matter. Denver is NOT drafting a QB in the 1st round next year (It's not like Snyder would ever trade the #1 pick anyway).

Elway is enamored with Tebow and he will be a Bronco for life.

Snyder isn't going to come even remotely close to the No. 1 pick. Probably not even close to the No. 10 pick, either.

And Elway isn't enamored with Tebow. Are you just posting this to get a reaction? Seriously. You don't constantly rag on a guy you're enamored with. Elway IS enamored with a young QB, but its not Tebow.

HAT
08-22-2011, 08:56 PM
WOW! you are delusional

And you hate God....What's your point?

SoCalBronco
08-22-2011, 08:57 PM
And you hate God....What's your point?

Alright I've give you that.....well played. :strong: ^5

Poor TGN, he simply can't stand people of faith on the team.

epicSocialism4tw
08-22-2011, 08:57 PM
He's sketchy out there. Just give him time. He'll be there if he is who he says he is.

Orton is sketchy out there too. Especially close to the sticks.

HAT
08-22-2011, 08:58 PM
Snyder isn't going to come even remotely close to the No. 1 pick. Probably not even close to the No. 10 pick, either.

Coming from someone who thought McD traded the wrong pick for 'fonzie....I put zero weight in your opinion.

Luck will be a 'Skin....Lock it up.

epicSocialism4tw
08-22-2011, 08:59 PM
Alright I've give you that.....well played. :strong: ^5

Poor TGN, he simply can't stand people of faith on the team.

He'd be really disappointed if he knew how many of these players are religious.

I wonder what he really thinks of John Elway.

SoCalBronco
08-22-2011, 09:00 PM
Coming from someone who thought McD traded the wrong pick for 'fonzie....I put zero weight in your opinion.

Luck will be a 'Skin....Lock it up.

Traded the wrong pick for Fonzie?

Since when was I a fan of the Fonzie transaction?

baja
08-22-2011, 09:04 PM
Traded the wrong pick for Fonzie?

Since when was I a fan of the Fonzie transaction?

so where's the smily for "over your head" ?

Hamrob
08-22-2011, 09:05 PM
Orton might get hurt this year. Rookie RT. Knowshon trying to pick up the blitz.

What does Fox do...go with Quinn? Let's say Quinn struggles. Tebow will be the guy.

I love how everyone kills Tebow about the fundamentals, but place such a low opinion on the intangibles...things like leadership and will to win. Hell, he's even gone 7-9 for 101 yds with a QB rating over 100 this preseason...yet, he's no where near being ready.

I say he plays this year at QB and shows people what he's made of.

Oh, and did anybody watch Phillip Rivers shot put throwing motion the other night? I guess that guys a bum too?

HAT
08-22-2011, 09:07 PM
Traded the wrong pick for Fonzie?

Since when was I a fan of the Fonzie transaction?

Sorry.....I was too vague. Not the transaction itself. The fact that he traded Denver's original first and not Denver's 1st via Chicago.

Regardless.....I don't get why people can't see that Tebow is without a doubt Denver's QBOTF.

No chance in hell that they draft a QB with their 1st pick next year.

Steve Sewell
08-22-2011, 09:07 PM
Bengals should be worst. Elway would be smart to trade whatever it takes for Luck. Luck will pull an Elway and refuse the Bengals, John pulls a Kaiser for him. Plans been in motion for 12 months.


Clady, Tebow, Doom and our 10th overall pick for Luck?

???

Would you?
Bet I know Johns answer.

Bet I do too, and the answer would be "no".

Steve Sewell
08-22-2011, 09:12 PM
Alright I've give you that.....well played. :strong: ^5

Poor TGN, he simply can't stand people of faith on the team.

So Tailgatenutjob hates like...90% of the team? lol

SoCalBronco
08-22-2011, 09:12 PM
Sorry.....I was too vague. Not the transaction itself. The fact that he traded Denver's original first and not Denver's 1st via Chicago.

Regardless.....I don't get why people can't see that Tebow is without a doubt Denver's QBOTF.

No chance in hell that they draft a QB with their 1st pick next year.

They don't like him, dude. They do little stuff here and there to piss him off needlessly. Why are they doing that if he's a guy they like and want to develop over time? Why are they dogging him the whole offseason? Why are they taking him out of the game in favor of some scrub? Why aren't they letting him throw more than 2 passes? I don't get the extra stuff. If he's not ready, fine, he's not ready, but there's no need for them to go out of their way to needle him.

Elway is in love with Luck, we all know it. I wouldn't be shocked if he trades whatever it takes to get a chance at him next year.

Dagmar
08-22-2011, 09:15 PM
awww, how sweet. LOL

You've turned into jhns. You're a caricature.

HAT
08-22-2011, 09:16 PM
Elway is in love with Luck, we all know it. I wouldn't be shocked if he trades whatever it takes to get a chance at him next year.

He likes Barkley better. Harbaugh sent Elway a text last month and told him to pass.

I can provide links if you want.

baja
08-22-2011, 09:16 PM
You've turned into jhns. You're a caricature.


Says the giff master (bator)

SoCalBronco
08-22-2011, 09:17 PM
He likes Barkley better. Harbaugh sent Elway a text last month and told him to pass.

I can provide links if you want.

I would like to see that, yes.

Taco John
08-22-2011, 09:20 PM
WOW! you are delusional

I think he's being satiric.

Hamrob
08-22-2011, 09:21 PM
Here is what Elway had to say about Tebow last year:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81a34117/article/elway-likes-tebows-situation-says-broncos-will-use-qb-wisely

It kind of seems like he's following through on his thinking then. Allow Tebow to sit and learn.

HAT
08-22-2011, 09:22 PM
I think he's being satiric.

To TGN? I actually wasn't.

There's not a doubt in my mind that Tebow is Denver's QBOTF.

tnedator
08-22-2011, 09:24 PM
Who you going to believe, Elway or IncarceratedBob?

RT @incarceratedbob: **UPDATED NFL RUMORS**Source: Broncos have started receiving calls on Tebow (Multiple teams interested in dealing for Tebow) #Earlystages

Dagmar
08-22-2011, 09:28 PM
Who you going to believe, Elway or IncarceratedBob?

Even if we have been getting calls, why does that make what Elway said lies?

tnedator
08-22-2011, 09:30 PM
Even if we have been getting calls, why does that make what Elway said lies?

True, he would have to be named McElway for us to assume what he is saying is BS. Hey, we aren't trying to trade the QB. The "player" is my quarterback, and I am looking forward to working with him.

strafen
08-22-2011, 09:31 PM
They don't like him, dude. They do little stuff here and there to piss him off needlessly. Why are they doing that if he's a guy they like and want to develop over time? Why are they dogging him the whole offseason? Why are they taking him out of the game in favor of some scrub? Why aren't they letting him throw more than 2 passes? I don't get the extra stuff. If he's not ready, fine, he's not ready, but there's no need for them to go out of their way to needle him.

Elway is in love with Luck, we all know it. I wouldn't be shocked if he trades whatever it takes to get a chance at him next year.I hardly ever agree with anything you have to say, but you're spot on this one.
Rep!

^5

Vegas_Bronco
08-22-2011, 09:33 PM
I use to tell girls they were in my plans too John...I know what he's trying to do here...funny enough some of you girls fell for it...don't be that easy.

enjolras
08-22-2011, 09:36 PM
Call me crazy, but I actually believe Elway on this. I think it's clear that the organization doesn't think that Tebow is ready to be our every down quarterback, but I believe that the organization is keeping an open mind on him and are going to use him on spot downs. I think there's a good chance that Tebow becomes a very important part of this offense this year.

Nobody sane believes that Tebow is ready to be an every down QB. This has reached the point of supreme lunacy. I've never seen a fan base lose their collective minds over a player who looks this bad in my lifetime.

enjolras
08-22-2011, 09:38 PM
I've seen quotes from Steve Young saying he is.

Who I certainly respect over the opinions of our head coach and HOF QB in the front office.

Inkana7
08-22-2011, 09:40 PM
SoCal's Tebow-related posts are awesome. "They've been so mean to Tebow!"

MacGruder
08-22-2011, 09:40 PM
What makes Steve young's opinion better than Elway's?

Elway is playing Orton...

Shananahan
08-22-2011, 09:41 PM
There are more than two ways this can go. Everyone thinks either Tebow starts or he's traded or even cut.

Did anyone consider there are a myriad of options with this? No of course not. It's more fun to react to the audacity of the third string QB being not ready to play.
Call me crazy, but maybe, just maybe, this quote could mean nothing at all beyond the fact that Tim will be the only QB under contract next season.

epicSocialism4tw
08-22-2011, 09:43 PM
Nobody sane believes that Tebow is ready to be an every down QB. This has reached the point of supreme lunacy. I've never seen a fan base lose their collective minds over a player who looks this bad in my lifetime.

Can you point to us statistically how Tebow has done so poorly?

Inkana7
08-22-2011, 09:45 PM
Can you point to us statistically how Tebow has done so poorly?

Under 50% passing usually isn't gonna blow people away.

MacGruder
08-22-2011, 10:00 PM
Nobody sane believes that Tebow is ready to be an every down QB. This has reached the point of supreme lunacy. I've never seen a fan base lose their collective minds over a player who looks this bad in my lifetime.

Looks.

LOL

I'd take a QB that LOOKS bad an plays great over one that LOOKS great and plays terrible like Orton any day.

The Qb position has become COMPLETELY about LOOKS.

The whole issue is that Tebow is different.. he has surpassed everyone's expectations already.. so how can people pretend they know what will and won't work?

MacGruder
08-22-2011, 10:01 PM
Under 50% passing usually isn't gonna blow people away.

And a better yard per completion than many QBs in the league.

And a better QBr than Orton and Bradford.

epicSocialism4tw
08-22-2011, 10:04 PM
Under 50% passing usually isn't gonna blow people away.

Sure, that could be worked on, but there are also legitimate mitigating (hows that for alliteration? Ha!) circumstances that were factors in Tebow's performance. Considering the coach was fired, the OC formulated a terrible game plan for Tebow, the team was in disarray, etc, Tebow came away from that with the best rookie QB rating of anyone in the league.

Inkana7
08-22-2011, 10:04 PM
And a better yard per completion than many QBs in the league.

And a better QBr than Orton and Bradford.

Orton QB Rating, 2010: 87.5

Tebow QB Rating, 2010: 82.1

HAT
08-22-2011, 10:07 PM
legitimate mitigating (hows that for alliteration? Ha!)

Hey Rev.....Please post every Bert jpeg you've ever seen. Kthanks.

OABB
08-22-2011, 10:09 PM
Now you can stop your whining, you little b****

only when you do.



vagina face.

OBF1
08-22-2011, 10:10 PM
Didn't Urban initially want to play him at MLB?

NO

Tim was brought in with QB written all over him from day 1.

epicSocialism4tw
08-22-2011, 10:11 PM
Hey Rev.....Please post every Bert jpeg you've ever seen. Kthanks.

Nerd haters gon' hate.

TailgateNut
08-22-2011, 10:12 PM
He'd be really disappointed if he knew how many of these players are religious.

I wonder what he really thinks of John Elway.


This should tell you that it's not JUST about the faith of the player (TimBow). I have no issues with any of the players who are or aren't religious, just like my neighbors, employees, coworkers, family and friends. I don't care what they believe. Just don't preach that **** to me and don't use your position to broadcast that nonsense. Don't mix it into taxpayer funded educational system nor our countrys' political arena.

MacGruder
08-22-2011, 10:13 PM
Orton QB Rating, 2010: 87.5

Tebow QB Rating, 2010: 82.1

That is way too close for a rookie thrown in the way Tebow was and who supposedly "isn't ready".. and the passer rating doesn't account for his athleticism..

TailgateNut
08-22-2011, 10:14 PM
You've turned into jhns. You're a caricature.


Better watch out. I might call LaMigra.

Archer81
08-22-2011, 10:21 PM
1. Orton QB Rating, 2010: 87.5
2. Tebow QB Rating, 2010: 82.1

1. 6 year vet...

2. Rookie...


:Broncos:

NFLBRONCO
08-22-2011, 10:21 PM
Nobody sane believes that Tebow is ready to be an every down QB. This has reached the point of supreme lunacy. I've never seen a fan base lose their collective minds over a player who looks this bad in my lifetime.

NFL's Justin Bieber


While I admire Tebow and would much rather him play vs Orton. The Tebow mania is way overboard I agree for a major project QB. I would go with him this year and see what he has for a full season. Hardly a stretch for a 4 win team. I don't want Orton longterm.

maven
08-22-2011, 10:25 PM
I never thought Tebow would be a franchise QB, but wanted to see him get more playing time. Lets head to the draft in 2012.

MacGruder
08-22-2011, 10:27 PM
NFL's Justin Bieber


While I admire Tebow and would much rather him play vs Orton. The Tebow mania is way overboard I agree for a major project QB.

Is it really about Tebow mania though?

Or Orton apathy?

TailgateNut
08-22-2011, 10:27 PM
NFL's Justin Bieber


While I admire Tebow and would much rather him play vs Orton. The Tebow mania is way overboard I agree for a project QB.


Thank You.

maven
08-22-2011, 10:30 PM
NFL's Justin Bieber


Bieber fever is bigger than any NFL player. So the analogy doesn't really work.

NFLBRONCO
08-22-2011, 10:32 PM
Is it really about Tebow mania though?

Or Orton apathy?

I wish Tebow well he is a refreshing type athlete hard worker and understands what it means to be a role model I admire that very much. If we can get a QB like Luck we should take it.

DHallblows
08-22-2011, 10:33 PM
Bieber fever is bigger than any NFL player. So the analogy doesn't really work.

What about Lebron James?

NFLBRONCO
08-22-2011, 10:34 PM
Bieber fever is bigger than any NFL player. So the analogy doesn't really work.

I realize his popularity in public is bigger in the real world vs Tebow and the NFL with fans but, too me its very much the same.

SoCalBronco
08-22-2011, 10:34 PM
What about Lebron James?

Maven?

MacGruder
08-22-2011, 10:34 PM
Can anyone ever recall a situation like this before?

Where a QB played in limited duty.. looked dominant and yet people didn't believe he could continue to play that style so he was never allowed to play?

Wouldn't EVERY young QB do what Tebow did and become tremendously popular just like he has done?

MacGruder
08-22-2011, 10:36 PM
I wish Tebow well he is a refreshing type athlete hard worker and understands what it means to be a role model I admire that very much. If we can get a QB like Luck we should take it.

But luck is no more of a guarantee than Tebow.. Tebow seems better than Cam Newton.. the number one pick.. yet he isn't even given a chance.. makes no sense.

maven
08-22-2011, 10:36 PM
What about Lebron James?

A better comparison, but not close at all. Beiber is definitely more popular. Can't think of anyone in sports/entertainment bigger than Beiber right now.

Taco John
08-22-2011, 10:39 PM
A better comparison, but not close at all. Beiber is definitely more popular. Can't think of anyone in sports/entertainment bigger than Beiber right now.

This makes me realize just how awesomely out of touch with mainstream entertainment I am. I knew the kid was popular, but I had no idea he was this kind of popular.

I'd like to thank my XBMC media center, the Internet, Starcraft2, the Denver Broncos and Cycling for this achievement.

Shananahan
08-22-2011, 10:39 PM
I'm normally opposed to this sort of thing, but I think the board would be best served if MacGruder took a time-out for awhile, especially now that Orton has been named the game one starter.

Dude just makes way too many posts with nothing in them and way too many people respond to it poorly.

epicSocialism4tw
08-22-2011, 10:40 PM
This should tell you that it's not JUST about the faith of the player (TimBow). I have no issues with any of the players who are or aren't religious, just like my neighbors, employees, coworkers, family and friends. I don't care what they believe. Just don't preach that **** to me and don't use your position to broadcast that nonsense. Don't mix it into taxpayer funded educational system nor our countrys' political arena.

Quit being such a wuss.

If your ideas win out in the marketplace, then so be it.

But then again, nutjobs like yourself arent interested in a marketplace of ideas. You guys want total elimination of all opposing philosophies.

baja
08-22-2011, 10:40 PM
Better watch out. I might call LaMigra.

That's right I forgot. What did Mock call him? Irish trash illegal alien or something like that. Mock used to chase him off for months at a time. i sure miss Mock..

NFLBRONCO
08-22-2011, 10:41 PM
But luck is no more of a guarantee than Tebow.. Tebow seems better than Cam Newton.. the number one pick.. yet he isn't even given a chance.. makes no sense.

Imo Tebow needs a FO that keeps teams fairly loaded with talent 90% of time for his best success that's not Denver.

epicSocialism4tw
08-22-2011, 10:42 PM
I never thought Tebow would be a franchise QB, but wanted to see him get more playing time. Lets head to the draft in 2012.

http://media.naplesnews.com/media/img/photos/2011/06/03/APTOPIXNBAFinalsMavericksHeatBasketball_t300.jpg

NFLBRONCO
08-22-2011, 10:43 PM
But luck is no more of a guarantee than Tebow.. Tebow seems better than Cam Newton.. the number one pick.. yet he isn't even given a chance.. makes no sense.

I do agree we should play Tebow though and see for sure.

epicSocialism4tw
08-22-2011, 10:45 PM
A better comparison, but not close at all. Beiber is definitely more popular. Can't think of anyone in sports/entertainment bigger than Beiber right now.

You know who's bigger than LeBron James?

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/042/056/117031707_display_image.jpg?1308865164

Taco John
08-22-2011, 10:46 PM
Imo Tebow needs a FO that keeps teams fairly loaded with talent 90% of time for his best success that's not Denver.

That's ridiculous. What Tim Tebow needs is either (A) a front office that is willing to completely build a team around him, or (B) time to develop and work on his mechanics until he can run a pro style offense.

He had A, and lost it. Now he's got to settle for B until another A comes along.

maven
08-22-2011, 10:46 PM
http://media.naplesnews.com/media/img/photos/2011/06/03/APTOPIXNBAFinalsMavericksHeatBasketball_t300.jpg

Congrats on the finals. But, the photo you picked are both world champions.

MacGruder
08-22-2011, 10:47 PM
Imo Tebow needs a FO that keeps teams fairly loaded with talent 90% of time for his best success that's not Denver.

I really don't think you need more talent than other teams.. you just need it in the right places. People don't realize Tebow's running ability was massively underrated in college because he had a weak run game around him. He was the one creating all those run opportunities for his runners because Ds were so focused on him. He was the between the tackles runner. If you put a truly great between the tackles runner with Tebow I think they would be unstoppable.. I would get physically tough non prima donna receivers too that weren't worried about numbers or getting hit too.

epicSocialism4tw
08-22-2011, 10:48 PM
Congrats on the finals. But, the photo you picked are both world champions.

http://www.gowallpaper.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/NBA-2011-Champions-Dallas-Mavs-Desktop-Wallpaper.jpg

Remember when we talked about LeBron James? Remember when I told you back in the middle of the season that he wouldn't come through when it mattered and that they wouldn't win the Finals? Tell me I was right (or that you were wrong) and I won't post another pic. ;D

maven
08-22-2011, 10:52 PM
You know who's bigger than LeBron James?


I would say popularity in regards to both are there.

Hope we get a full season coming up. Though the NFL made sure this happened, I don't expect the NBA to do so. We've seen it b4.

epicSocialism4tw
08-22-2011, 10:52 PM
I would say popularity in regards to both are there.

Hope we get a full season coming up. Though the NFL made sure this happened, I don't expect the NBA to do so. We've seen it b4.

Dirk's Z score (marketability) is about 20 points better than LeBrons.

epicSocialism4tw
08-22-2011, 10:57 PM
I would say popularity in regards to both are there.

Hope we get a full season coming up. Though the NFL made sure this happened, I don't expect the NBA to do so. We've seen it b4.

LeBron James still sweats in his sleep when he sees this guy:

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/330903/thumbs/s-JASON-TERRY-large300.jpg

maven
08-22-2011, 11:10 PM
Remember when we talked about LeBron James? Remember when I told you back in the middle of the season that he wouldn't come through when it mattered and that they wouldn't win the Finals? Tell me I was right (or that you were wrong) and I won't post another pic. ;D

sh*t, you set yourself up just in case.

I knew the parts weren't there fully in regards to the Heat. My expectations for the season was just a finals birth, just somehow someway a finals birth. I predicted the run on this board to the finals. Yes, I believed they could do it and accomplish it. You have to admit, the NBA was awesome last year with all the hoopla and fans. This past playoffs was excellent, even though Heat lost. The Heat will do it. Tough finals and the loss will make them better. We're still rolling baby. We will see how the CBA plays out. Congrats on the finals. You guys were the better team. Thankfully, the Heat can make another run. And I do expect multiple chips in the future. I think the Heat will win it all next season, if there is a season.

epicSocialism4tw
08-22-2011, 11:12 PM
sh*t, you set yourself up just in case.

I knew the parts weren't there fully in regards to the Heat. My expectations for the season was just a finals birth, just somehow someway a finals birth. I predicted the run on this board to the finals. Yes, I believed they could do it and accomplish it. You have to admit, the NBA was awesome last year with all the hoopla and fans. This past playoffs was excellent, even though Heat lost. The Heat will do it. Tough finals and the loss will make them better. We're still rolling baby. We will see how the CBA plays out. Congrats on the finals. You guys were the better team. Thankfully, the Heat can make another run. And I do expect multiple chips in the future. I think the Heat will win it all next season, if there is a season.

So. You were wrong weren't you.

Bob's your Information Minister
08-22-2011, 11:14 PM
LeBron James still sweats in his sleep when he sees this guy:

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/330903/thumbs/s-JASON-TERRY-large300.jpg

MAVEN? LOL

maven
08-22-2011, 11:15 PM
So. You were wrong weren't you.

The Heat lost. Mavs won. The finals are tied 1-1.;)

MacGruder
08-22-2011, 11:19 PM
The Heat lost. Mavs won. The finals are tied 1-1.;)

Actually... the refs owe Dirk another one... 2-0.

Speaking of which.. Tebow is getting Avery Johnsoned by the Broncos just like Dirk was.

Avery tried to use Dirk like a normal power forward and almost ruined his career. The Golden State series was the apex of it. His career almost never survived.

maven
08-22-2011, 11:22 PM
Actually... the refs owe Dirk another one... 2-0.


Nope, it's 1-1.

teknic
08-22-2011, 11:27 PM
Under 50% passing usually isn't gonna blow people away.

Sample size. His lack of meaningful practice reps all season, and unfamiliarity with his receivers makes his passing numbers seem poor.

The problem is people are comparing his passing numbers to a veteran in the offense , Orton, when they should be compared to rookies in similar situations (coming in mid season, with limited practice with first team). Compared to the numbers of any rookie QB that played at any time last season, Tebow's numbers are great. He also won rookie of the week for us. The point is, like most other rookies, the player is expected to develop, and progress his skills. I believe Tebow would have been able to get used to his offensive players had he practiced with them all season long.

We also have possibly the best receiver in the league to inflate the numbers of a rookie QB with accuracy problems. Lloyd is amazing at adjusting to the throw and timing his jump to get the catch. He has bailed out Orton for poor throws time and time again, and I think there is reason to believe that he could do the same for Tebow (like that great catch in the Raiders game on a poorly thrown ball, or his numerous saves of interceptions in the Houston game).

Bob's your Information Minister
08-22-2011, 11:28 PM
For what it's worth, I agree with you guys completely on this Tebow thing.

He is getting dicked. He was not given a fair shot at this job.

Let me give you an example of a young quarterback losing the job to an older quarterback in a legitimate way, and this is almost a complete role reversal of the situation.

In 2007 with the Chiefs, they declared an open competition between Damon Huard and Brodie Croyle in training camp. Now, in training camp practices leading right up to the regular season, Croyle was killing Huard. He looked like a guy who was seizing the opportunity and he was pretty much leaving Huard in the dust. It was embarrassing.

Preseason rolled around the games started. Huard started out playing with the 1's. He did OK. Not great, but OK. Competent.

Croyle came into preseason games and other than one drive sucked complete monkey dung. He looked like garbage. I couldn't believe it was the same quarterback I had seen in practice.

The Chiefs declared Huard the starter in short order, after the third preseason game.

So in short, based on training camp Croyle should have won the job, not unlike what has apparently happened in Denver this year with Orton. But Huard took it from Croyle because of the preseason games. And it was the right decision because Croyle has never done **** in a game.

Tim Tebow never got that chance, and that is utter bull****.

So congratulations, your front office looks worse than Carl and Herm as far as making decisions on quarterbacks.

Of course this could all be a bunch of bull****, and there was no competition, and Elway is in love with Andy Luck.....which would make sense. Because despite what they said and what fans on here are saying, that Tebow lost the job and he isn't ready, he wasn't given a fair chance...not even close.

Garcia Bronco
08-22-2011, 11:39 PM
He's was given a fair shot. Seriously...just stop. He got the reps in training camp and he didn't perform better than Orton.

Bob's your Information Minister
08-22-2011, 11:53 PM
He got the reps in training camp and he didn't perform better than Orton.

So did Damon Huard.

And yet he won the job in preseason.

It is utter bull**** to say that Tebow got a fair shake. The front office has you hook line and sinker if you buy what they're selling right now.

MacGruder
08-23-2011, 12:00 AM
There is something else that has really gotten lost in all of this.. Tebow is maybe the most hunted rookie in the history of the league. He's arguably the most high profile QB to ever come out of college in the pros and not only that.. but the style he plays is like a personal insult to defenders.. we have seen it time and time again that defenses and defenders are going after Tebow harder than seemingly anyone. Tebow being so great is a hindrance to him. This is why the change in the regular season could be drastic. Guys like Orton and Quinn could look much worse and level the playing field with Tebow when teams are really gunning for them in live action rather than going through the motions in preseason.

Remember what that Dallas player said? He said getting a sack on Tebow is like getting an Xbox for Christmas.. everyone in the league wants one...

Do you think guys feel like that about Orton or Quinn in preaseason? That effect is real in practice too.

That should really change the way everyone looks wat what Tebow has accomplished all along. But Tebow is doubted to such a degree people automatically assume the worst...

Borks147
08-23-2011, 12:02 AM
Clady, Tebow, Doom and our 10th overall pick for Luck?

???


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TDmvp
08-23-2011, 12:07 AM
lol traded tomorrow

Yea this better not be one of those kiss of death / dreaded votes of confidence things.

I wasn't sold on us drafting him , and understand Orton's up side and Tebow's as well for that matter and would at least like to see him as the starter at some point , maybe not now , but just to see if he wins or doesn't .

I've seen two years of Orton and I'm just not a fan. I just don't think he's the type of qb when if needed you can say dude , bail us out. And sometimes your QB just has to be one of those guys and I just don't see that from Kyle even tho I think he's got a ton of heart.


If I wake up tomorrow and we have traded him I'll $hi*

bigbucks24
08-23-2011, 12:10 AM
What do I do with all these jerseys?

Seriously, this mob mentality is sad, he goes from possible starter to burned at the stake in 3 weeks.

Tim Tebow is my fav Bronco, and I'd take him with the ones over Orton this season because Tebow wont get better without playing.

But starting KO is good, keep the vets on D happy w the game manager so they can feel like they are going all out to win it all until we are out of it, then, Tebowtime.

I get it.
Why do you feel this way? Why do you feel that no one ever improves by practice, watching film and working with coaches? Or is it just Tebow that won't improve with coaching, practice and film time?

bigbucks24
08-23-2011, 12:20 AM
He's was given a fair shot. Seriously...just stop. He got the reps in training camp and he didn't perform better than Orton.

See, this is how I see it. There was a competition in camp and Orton looked better. How would everyone feel if Orton looked vastly superior, but they decided that Tebow would be the starter? Many people are up in arms because they don't think it was fair. it is obvious to all but the most obsessed people that Orton played better. What does it say to the team that we are going with the guy that came in 3rd instead of the 1st or 2nd place guy? Doesn't that really say "Wins don't matter"? How is the fanbase with that? If they came out and said "Wins don't matter", would you still go to the game? How do you think the rest of the team plays? If they think Orton is the best QB and obviously gives them the best chance to win, how much effort are they going to give? And don't say "these guys are professionals. they will give 100% effort no matter what" because we hear all the time of teams quitting. If a head coach says 'I don't care if we win or not" with his words OR ACTIONS, I doubt you get full effort out of the rest of the team.

MacGruder
08-23-2011, 12:35 AM
Tebow and Orton played last season as the Broncos only starting QBs..

Tebow looked like the better player...

He had the better QBr.

Ge put up better stats and the team played better against the same competition.

It really isn't about who won or lost training camp.. Orton lost the starting job last season.

I think the only reason people don't see it that way is that McD took the blame for everything.. but people are missing that the reason Orton looked so good last season was likely McD running the offense.

Orton really hasn't even looked that good this preseason.. he just hasn't been asked to do anything against a defense yet - Buffalo doesn't qualify.

Blueflame
08-23-2011, 12:41 AM
Good Lord, you're sounding idiotic, MacGruder. You just stated (post #132) that Tebow was "higher profile" than Peyton Manning, who was taken #1 overall.

bigbucks24
08-23-2011, 12:41 AM
Tebow and Orton played last season as the Bronco QB..

Tebow looked like the better player...

He had the better QBr.

It really isn't about who won or lost training camp.. Orotn lost the starting job last season.

I think the only reason people don't see it that way is that McD took the blame for everything.. but people are missing that the reason Orton looked so good last season was likely McD running the offense.

Orton really hasn't even looked that good this preseason.. he just hasn't been asked to do anything against a defense yet - Buffalo doesn't qualify.
So your thought it no matter what happens this year, Tebow deserves the starting job based on the last 3 games of last year? There should be no competition? He should be handed the job no matter what? Even if he doesn't have command of the entire offense, he should be the starter? Come hell or high water, Tebow is the starter and that is that? What message does that send? Doesn't matter if you work in the offseason, or improve or are the best, if we like you, you get to start? I always thought competition brought out the best in people.

MacGruder
08-23-2011, 01:06 AM
So your thought it no matter what happens this year, Tebow deserves the starting job based on the last 3 games of last year?[quote]

Based on the fact we have seen Orotn look great early in season and not be physically capable of functioning in NFL games.

You know how they have that thing at the amusement parks where it says if you are below this height you can't ride the ride?

Orton is one of those guys.. not only does he not have the physical capability.. he doesn't have the talent or mental capability either.

In this era I think they need that physical requirement for NFL QBs.. because some of them just do not physically belong.. it's like a suicide mission.

I think Orton has proven that the last 2 years. People can say Tebow doesn't have the skill like Orton doesn't have the physicality.. but he it hasn't been proven yet. Orton and Quin have had their shot. They have proven they are fool's gold.


[quote]There should be no competition? He should be handed the job no matter what? Even if he doesn't have command of the entire offense, he should be the starter?

The great thing about Tebow is that he doesn't need a complex offense.. the way he plays simplifies things so much. That's what being physically dominant does.

Come hell or high water, Tebow is the starter and that is that? What message does that send? Doesn't matter if you work in the offseason, or improve or are the best, if we like you, you get to start? I always thought competition brought out the best in people.

But Orton hasn't even looked good in preseason.. he's the same guy. He wasn't even asked to do anything in the first game and then he played Buffalo. The D looked great against Buffalo.. but what's going to happen against a good team?

And to talk about a "competition" and say Orton won in a non contact training camp over TEBOW.. after what we saw last season? It's just crazy.

MacGruder
08-23-2011, 01:12 AM
Good Lord, you're sounding idiotic, MacGruder. You just stated (post #132) that Tebow was "higher profile" than Peyton Manning, who was taken #1 overall.

I don't see what is strange about that.. pocket passers are not held in the same kind of regard as guys like Tebow, Vick and Vince Young..

And Tebow was in college much longer than Vick and dominated in a way that motivates defenses even more..

When you have a QB that is a threat to run over defenders and do it as gleefully as Tebow does it and as much? It's like taunting.. this is one of the reasons many are so against Tebow IMO.. like Merril Hoge.. it's not just that he is so unconventional.. even more so it's that he raised the machismo bar higher than anyone ever.

Cam went #1 and tried to imitate Tebow and looks more physically imposing and I don't think he comes anywhere near what Tebow does as a challenge to defenders either. Because Tebow was dominant so long and is both hyped and hated so much.

Shananahan
08-23-2011, 01:13 AM
MacGruder, do you ever lapse in a moment of weakness for a fraction of a second or two and doubt that Tim Tebow is the greatest thing to ever happen in the history of sports?

MacGruder
08-23-2011, 01:28 AM
MacGruder, do you ever lapse in a moment of weakness for a fraction of a second or two and doubt that Tim Tebow is the greatest thing to ever happen in the history of sports?

What I wonder is if I have gone loco... because the whole world seems CRAZY.. if the whole world is crazy it makes you wonder if it's YOU that's crazy.

That is why I post that Steve Young quote so much. He saw Tebow win one game and it turned his view around completely.

I have been watching him his whole college career.. and seen this EXACT same thing play out in college.

Remember.. the 3rd phase - it's considered self evident.

People have completely forgotten or ignore that this same drama went on when he was in high school and then in college.

There is a Lane Kiffin interview where he says the same thing.. and he views it like me.. he said everyone questioned his throwing motion - coaches - and Kiffin was like.."I don't see what they are talking about I think he looks great"

That's exactly how I feel, too. But see.. we have watched him play.. most people spouting off and saying he can't make it haven't.
I wonder how much the Bronco brain Trust have seen of his college? Guys like Fox and Elway.. that's what they should have been studying all season.. Orton too.. If they had I don't think we would be where we are right now.

But also keep in mind I saw this same exact thing happen with Dirk Nowitzki's entire career in the NBA.. very very very similar situation. Always completely doubted because he was so unconventional and STILL really misused by his team because of the personnel around him believe it or not.

I am very very familiar with how small minded the media and fans can be and how they attack anything that is really different even if it's great.. Society is really messed up. haha

TDmvp
08-23-2011, 01:53 AM
You guys are arguing sports with the WTC was a giant tuning fork , hurricane theory guy.
I mean come on ... :)

And I'm just F-ing with you Gruder. I'd like to see Tebow start as well cause I'm bored of Orton hehe ...

MacGruder
08-23-2011, 02:04 AM
You guys are arguing sports with the WTC was a giant tuning fork , hurricane theory guy.
I mean come on ... :)

And I'm just F-ing with you Gruder. I'd like to see Tebow start as well cause I'm bored of Orton hehe ...

Hey, I'm just glad someone retained something I posted.. that tuning fork business is madness. I really think that will come to light soon as long as they don't wipe us out first. I also just wish I could relate everything I am learning on those subjects..

How do you see things breaking down this season? Do you think Tebow ends up starting and if so when?

ZONA
08-23-2011, 02:30 AM
I think Tebow will be used in some goal line situations again this year. Probably won't see the field more then that so he'll be watching most of the time and during practice they're going to try and get his passing mechanics improved. That's the immediate future. What happens at the end of the season really depends on how many game the Broncos win and how well Orton plays. If the Broncos surprise alot of folks and make it to the playoffs and Orton has played well, I can see them extending his deal. And if that's the case, they will move either Quinn or Tebow, depending on who looks to have shown the most improvement during this season in practice and limited game action. Now if the season turns out to be a bad one, say 5 wins or less, I think they'll for sure try and move Orton again and then give Quinn or Tebow a shot next year.

robbieopperude
08-23-2011, 02:53 AM
Tebow was rushed into action last year when all the analysts said it would take 2 to 3 years to get him ready. I am hoping another full season of reps and working on mechanics will lead him to an opportunity to again compete for the number 1 job next year. This year lets give him 5 to 10 touches a game on 3rd and short and Red Zone plays and use him for what he is worth right now. A change of pace scrambling QB.

Let Orton walk or franchise and trade him for a draft pick and possibly bring back Quinn to compete with Tebow next season. If Tebow can't start by year 3 and ends up just being a Red Zone and 3rd down weapon his career won't be a bust by any means but he will have been a wasted pick by McD based on his draft position. If we would have taken him in the 2nd round I could validate using him as a specialty package player.

So I really think next year is the make or break year for Tebow. He will have to beat out whoever John brings in to compete against him or plan on being a backup QB for a long time. I know I am rooting for him because he tries so hard.

Jay3
08-23-2011, 04:36 AM
They don't like him, dude. They do little stuff here and there to piss him off needlessly. Why are they doing that if he's a guy they like and want to develop over time? Why are they dogging him the whole offseason? Why are they taking him out of the game in favor of some scrub? Why aren't they letting him throw more than 2 passes? I don't get the extra stuff. If he's not ready, fine, he's not ready, but there's no need for them to go out of their way to needle him.

Elway is in love with Luck, we all know it. I wouldn't be shocked if he trades whatever it takes to get a chance at him next year.

But the odd thing is, if it's true they don't like him, why don't they throw him out there for an extended period of time, throw the ball, try to see if they can really get him to fail in order to get the fans off their backs.

It almost seems like they're protecting a rare gem. His preseason QB rating is over 100.

Broncoman13
08-23-2011, 04:45 AM
I just hope they do take their time with him and give him the time to develop.

One thing that bugs me about Tebow. He only wants to play QB. He could be one heck of an H-back. But he wouldn't do that for the good of the team. Hopefully in time, if the QB thing isn't working out for him he will have a change of heart. He can still be the fan favorite even at another position and continue using football as his "platform".

fontaine
08-23-2011, 05:03 AM
Jim Elbow is right.

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Jim Elbow is tearing this team apaaaaaart!!!!

Jay3
08-23-2011, 05:04 AM
One thing that bugs me about Tebow. He only wants to play QB. He could be one heck of an H-back. But he wouldn't do that for the good of the team.

It's not something he can really express openness about. Once he does that, it seems like the quarterback thing is over.

Dos Rios
08-23-2011, 05:11 AM
I'm reserving an opinion on the whole thing until I see what Tebow says about it in his next book.

WolfpackGuy
08-23-2011, 05:21 AM
Future plans as in trade.

Get on the phone with the Rams.

srphoenix
08-23-2011, 05:30 AM
incarceratedbob (http://twitter.com/#%21/incarceratedbob) incarcerated bob



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I know it's IBN and all, but I really hope we don't trade Tebow. He's got all the tools to be a legitimate QBOTF, just needs some time. To even make me feel ok about the trade it would have to be at least 2 1sts with the front office feeling 100% confident in Quinn being the guy to bring us back deep in the playoffs.

backup qb
08-23-2011, 05:51 AM
Two firsts? There's a greater chance of John Elway playing for the broncos again then there is that some team would give two firsts for TT.

TonyR
08-23-2011, 05:55 AM
I know it's IBN and all, but I really hope we don't trade Tebow.

I think it's almost an impossibility. A project QB who makes a lot of $ isn't really a hot commodity.

TonyR
08-23-2011, 06:00 AM
Can't think of anyone in sports/entertainment bigger than Beiber right now.

Could a case be made for Katy Perry? Five number one singles on her current album, tying Michael Jackson's record?

Garcia Bronco
08-23-2011, 06:06 AM
incarceratedbob (http://twitter.com/#%21/incarceratedbob) incarcerated bob



**UPDATED NFL RUMORS**Source: Broncos have started receiving calls on Tebow (Multiple teams interested in dealing for Tebow) #Earlystages (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Earlystages)


I know it's IBN and all, but I really hope we don't trade Tebow. He's got all the tools to be a legitimate QBOTF, just needs some time. To even make me feel ok about the trade it would have to be at least 2 1sts with the front office feeling 100% confident in Quinn being the guy to bring us back deep in the playoffs.

Elway said they weren't trading him.

Garcia Bronco
08-23-2011, 06:10 AM
So did Damon Huard.

And yet he won the job in preseason.

It is utter bull**** to say that Tebow got a fair shake. The front office has you hook line and sinker if you buy what they're selling right now.

No it's not. This isn't Kansas City. Your experience has nothing to do with what's going on here. You also seem to be forgetting the complete lack of off-season camps. He's not ready and he got a fair shake. Plus Brady Quinn out-performed him.

TailgateNut
08-23-2011, 06:15 AM
I'm reserving an opinion on the whole thing until I see what Tebow says about it in his next book.


No ****. It seemeed to be the most important thing for him this off-season. Maybe writers cramp screwed with his development/ advancement to NFL caliber QB talent.

randomtask
08-23-2011, 06:31 AM
Bengals should be worst. Elway would be smart to trade whatever it takes for Luck. Luck will pull an Elway and refuse the Bengals, John pulls a Kaiser for him. Plans been in motion for 12 months.


Clady, Tebow, Doom and our 10th overall pick for Luck?

???

Would you?
Bet I know Johns answer.

That isn't even funny. No. No. Just no.

No.

Requiem
08-23-2011, 06:59 AM
Denver is not trading a kid who is the cash cow for the organization.

Orton starting week one doesn't guarantee anything for him. His contract is up. Will we extend it? Unless he does awesome and Tebow shows LITTLE progress.

Aaron Rodgers sat for how many years? Two or three, right? They are not similar quarterbacks, but the tutelage and waiting portion is. Perhaps the Broncos have an idea of using Tim in the redzone and select packages more than McDaniels did last year.

We saw what he did in limited action last year. He could easily do that this year, IMO.

BroncoMan4ever
08-23-2011, 07:10 AM
Bengals should be worst. Elway would be smart to trade whatever it takes for Luck. Luck will pull an Elway and refuse the Bengals, John pulls a Kaiser for him. Plans been in motion for 12 months.


Clady, Tebow, Doom and our 10th overall pick for Luck?

???

Would you?
Bet I know Johns answer.

no offense, but that is the worst ****ing idea i have ever seen on this site.

trade one of if not the very best blind side protector in the game, one of the very best pass rushers in the game a good goal line weapon and the 10th overall pick for an unproven rookie, who could just as easily be the next Ryan Leaf as he could the next Tom Brady.

there would be rioting in the streets if that trade went down.

Crushaholic
08-23-2011, 07:13 AM
Denver is not trading a kid who is the cash cow for the organization.



You're right. Many Broncos fans have Tebow Mania, and that results in jersey sales. With Quinn showing a spark in the last preseason game, that means we should expect Weber to be released any day...

ColoradoDarin
08-23-2011, 07:28 AM
This should tell you that it's not JUST about the faith of the player (TimBow). I have no issues with any of the players who are or aren't religious, just like my neighbors, employees, coworkers, family and friends. I don't care what they believe. Just don't preach that **** to me and don't use your position to broadcast that nonsense. Don't mix it into taxpayer funded educational system nor our countrys' political arena.

It's always interesting when bigots let their mask slip.

"Free speech for me, but not for thee!!"

TailgateNut
08-23-2011, 07:30 AM
It's always interesting when bigots let their mask slip.

"Free speech for me, but not for thee!!"

I'm exercizing my free speech: GFY!

Garcia Bronco
08-23-2011, 07:30 AM
Tim Tebow has never preached to you, Leo. Ever. Not even once.

TailgateNut
08-23-2011, 07:31 AM
Tim Tebow has never preached to you, Leo. Ever. Not even once.


You couldn't buy a cllue with a million bucks.

DENVERDUI55
08-23-2011, 07:35 AM
Croyle came into preseason games and other than one drive sucked complete monkey dung. He looked like garbage. I couldn't believe it was the same quarterback I had seen in practice.
.

It was right then and there that you should of realized you have no idea what your looking at when you go to training camp and can't judge talent. Croyle will be the starter no doubt right?

55CrushEm
08-23-2011, 07:35 AM
somewhere in a homeless shelter with internet access, a guy who is nuts about tailgating just read this and his head exploded.

LOL

Garcia Bronco
08-23-2011, 07:37 AM
You couldn't buy a cllue with a million bucks.

:rolleyes

If I had a million dollars I get two chicks at the same time.

TailgateNut
08-23-2011, 07:39 AM
:rolleyes

If I had a million dollars I get two chicks at the same time.


Sad!

ColoradoDarin
08-23-2011, 07:45 AM
I'm exercizing my free speech: GFY!

I didn't say could couldn't say it, just that you are a bigot for saying it.

Drunk Monkey
08-23-2011, 07:52 AM
:rolleyes

If I had a million dollars I get two chicks at the same time.

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TheChamp24
08-23-2011, 07:56 AM
I think it's almost an impossibility. A project QB who makes a lot of $ isn't really a hot commodity.

Tebow does not make a lot of money for a QB.
I don't get why people think nobody would want him due to his contract.

For Tebow, I just want to find out if he's our QB of the future or not. Only way to tell is actually have him be the starting QB at some point.

primetime714
08-23-2011, 07:58 AM
Denver is not trading a kid who is the cash cow for the organization.

Orton starting week one doesn't guarantee anything for him. His contract is up. Will we extend it? Unless he does awesome and Tebow shows LITTLE progress.

Aaron Rodgers sat for how many years? Two or three, right? They are not similar quarterbacks, but the tutelage and waiting portion is. Perhaps the Broncos have an idea of using Tim in the redzone and select packages more than McDaniels did last year.

We saw what he did in limited action last year. He could easily do that this year, IMO.

Agreed, plus his value is too low right now. I think the only scenario where the Broncos trade Tebow is if the Jaguars offer a ton in an attempt to save their franchise and bring fans back in. So essentially Gabbert and a pick (in other words, not happening).

Otherwise I think the Broncos will let this thing play out. Right now they held a competition for the starting QB spot. It was clearly slanted in Orton's favor, but in fairness both Orton and Quinn outperformed him in TC. Starting anyone but Orton would've sent the wrong message to the team. Orton though is in a win-now scenario. If the team/Kyle struggle the fans will call for Tebow and eventually the front office will make the move. If the team wins though they can say hey we went with the best guy and look where it got us. Its a win-win scenario for the team so long as they don't wait too long to make the move if they're struggling. No one wants to see Kyle Orton starting if the team is going nowhere.

Gort
08-23-2011, 08:03 AM
Tebow does not make a lot of money for a QB.
I don't get why people think nobody would want him due to his contract.

For Tebow, I just want to find out if he's our QB of the future or not. Only way to tell is actually have him be the starting QB at some point.

~$10M over 5 years, but ~$6M is due to be paid to him on September 2nd (10 days from now).

TailgateNut
08-23-2011, 08:05 AM
~$10M over 5 years, but ~$6M is due to be paid to him on September 2nd (10 days from now).


Cut him on Sept 1st!

SonOfLe-loLang
08-23-2011, 08:05 AM
He's was given a fair shot. Seriously...just stop. He got the reps in training camp and he didn't perform better than Orton.

how can you say he got a fair shot when he threw 2 passes last week?

Tombstone RJ
08-23-2011, 08:06 AM
Tebow is in year 2 of his rookie contract. I believe Elway when he says they have future plans for Tebow. I'm pretty sure that Fox really likes Tebow too and the when he was in Carolina, they probably would have drafted Tebow in the 2nd round. IMHO, with the Orton trade not panning out the Broncos are going with the vet who is looking for a big contract. Orton thinks he's a starting quality QB in the NFL and the non-trade with Miami probably lit a fire under his azz. I still think he is what he is, but perhaps Fox can mask his weaknesses and the Broncos can be competitive this year.

TailgateNut
08-23-2011, 08:07 AM
how can you say he got a fair shot when he threw 2 passes last week?


Reading comprehension 101! See GB's post re: training camp.



OH.......i almost forgot.....Timmy doesn't practice well, he just does well under the lights.Hilarious!

Tombstone RJ
08-23-2011, 08:11 AM
Reading comprehension 101! See GB's post re: training camp.



OH.......i almost forgot.....Timmy doesn't practice well, he just does well under the lights.Hilarious!

dude, your Tebow hate is getting old, really old, really fast. Tebow is a 2nd year rookie in a new offense who got no offseason help due to the lockout. Couple that with the fact that Orton is a 7 year vet and Quinn is a 5 year vet and its no suprise they look better in practice and preseason. In fact, it'd be more shocking if they didn't look better than Tebow at this point and time in their careers.

TailgateNut
08-23-2011, 08:20 AM
dude, your Tebow hate is getting old, really old, really fast. Tebow is a 2nd year rookie in a new offense who got no offseason help due to the lockout. Couple that with the fact that Orton is a 7 year vet and Quinn is a 5 year vet and its no suprise they look better in practice and preseason. In fact, it'd be more shocking if they didn't look better than Tebow at this point and time in their careers.


But you asshats still insist that we should start TimBow.....because of??? Hilarious!

BTW: I don't give a flying **** if you or anyone else doesn't like my opinion/ hate as you put it.

primetime714
08-23-2011, 08:21 AM
~$10M over 5 years, but ~$6M is due to be paid to him on September 2nd (10 days from now).

Yea the majority of his guaranteed money comes on 9/2. After that his contract is largely incentive driven. The Broncos have the cap room this year and they'll have more next when Orton comes off the books.

TheReverend
08-23-2011, 08:22 AM
But the odd thing is, if it's true they don't like him, why don't they throw him out there for an extended period of time, throw the ball, try to see if they can really get him to fail in order to get the fans off their backs.

It almost seems like they're protecting a rare gem. His preseason QB rating is over 100.

They tried that. They threw him out there with some of the worst protection I've ever seen and he went 6/7 and turned a busted play into a TD if it weren't for a completely unrelated penalty.

Last week they did everything they could to ensure that COULDN'T happen again... Especially in front of the home fans.

Its not protecting him... Its slandering him.

Tombstone RJ
08-23-2011, 08:23 AM
But you asshats still insist that we should start TimBow.....because of??? Hilarious!

BTW: I don't give a flying **** if you or anyone else doesn't like my opinion/ hate as you put it.

Many people look at Tebow's performance in the final 3 games of last season and see potential. The Broncos must have seen something too because they tried to trade Orton. We know you don't like Tebow, we get it. Well done, you've made your point.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-23-2011, 08:24 AM
There will be no Luck trade-up. With the new rookie salary cap and the reports on how he is projected to play in the NFL, whoever gets the first pick is certainly going to just take him.

People said the same about Locker. Lots can change between the start and end of a college football season.

TailgateNut
08-23-2011, 08:25 AM
Many people look at Tebow's performance in the final 3 games of last season and see potential. The Broncos must have seen something too because they tried to trade Orton. We know you don't like Tebow, we get it. Well done, you've made your point.


Prototype aircraft also have the potential to fly, but I would book a trip to Hawaii on one!

OABB
08-23-2011, 08:35 AM
Prototype aircraft also have the potential to fly, but I would book a trip to Hawaii on one!

fair. but would leave it in the garage while the runway is booked?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-23-2011, 08:45 AM
how can you say he got a fair shot when he threw 2 passes last week?

Because preseason isn't over and he got far more than that against Dallas and he'll probably get far more than that in the next preseason game.

That's how he can say it.

dbfan21
08-23-2011, 08:52 AM
Orton might get hurt this year. Rookie RT. Knowshon trying to pick up the blitz.

What does Fox do...go with Quinn? Let's say Quinn struggles. Tebow will be the guy.

I love how everyone kills Tebow about the fundamentals, but place such a low opinion on the intangibles...things like leadership and will to win. Hell, he's even gone 7-9 for 101 yds with a QB rating over 100 this preseason...yet, he's no where near being ready.

I say he plays this year at QB and shows people what he's made of.

Oh, and did anybody watch Phillip Rivers shot put throwing motion the other night? I guess that guys a bum too?

I KNOW!! I was watching him lob those passes in the first quarter and thought to myself, "Now why doesn't anyone pick on Phyllis about mechanics, throwing motion, etc,?"

Garcia Bronco
08-23-2011, 08:56 AM
Phillip Rivers also sat for 2-3 seasons learning the game after being a 4 year starter at NCS.

Tombstone RJ
08-23-2011, 08:58 AM
Rivers has a much quicker release...

2KBack
08-23-2011, 08:59 AM
I KNOW!! I was watching him lob those passes in the first quarter and thought to myself, "Now why doesn't anyone pick on Phyllis about mechanics, throwing motion, etc,?"

They did early in his career, but Rivers is one of the most accurate QB's in the league, reads defenses, can take 3 and 5 step drops, and will proceed through all his progressions.

I don't think the coaches care about the throwing motion, they care about executing the whole offense

Broncomutt
08-23-2011, 09:00 AM
Prototype aircraft also have the potential to fly, but I would book a trip to Hawaii on one!

And how many times did Orton Air make it safely across the Pacific last year? 3 out of 13.

Aloha! :wave:

dbfan21
08-23-2011, 09:27 AM
They did early in his career, but Rivers is one of the most accurate QB's in the league, reads defenses, can take 3 and 5 step drops, and will proceed through all his progressions.

I don't think the coaches care about the throwing motion, they care about executing the whole offense

..and I'm sure he got plenty of coaching along the way.

All in all, I don't know what type of pro QB Tebow will be, but I'd like him to get a chance to play more before we trade or release him. I am perfectly fine using him as a weapon in our offense this year, while coaching him on mechanics, reads, drops, etc. Then use the OTAs next year to evaluate him further. If he doesn't pan out, then I can live with that. But what if he becomes a great pro QB? We need to see more in order to know.

I want to watch Bronco victories this year, no doubt. I hope Orton can lead us to the playoffs. Let's just not jump the gun by trading away a guy who is still unproven.

vonqkilla
08-23-2011, 09:54 AM
no offense, but that is the worst ****ing idea i have ever seen on this site.

trade one of if not the very best blind side protector in the game, one of the very best pass rushers in the game a good goal line weapon and the 10th overall pick for an unproven rookie, who could just as easily be the next Ryan Leaf as he could the next Tom Brady.

there would be rioting in the streets if that trade went down..

He's a gambler, Clady could be a HOF, but that is what it would take to go after Luck. Im on the Tebow bus myself.

This fallacy that BQ is better than TT is interesting to see. What a joke.

SonOfLe-loLang
08-23-2011, 10:15 AM
Reading comprehension 101! See GB's post re: training camp.



OH.......i almost forgot.....Timmy doesn't practice well, he just does well under the lights.Hilarious!

I dont give a **** how he plays in practice. Its a preseason game, that's where you get to show what you're made of. IN A GAME...you know WHERE YOU GET HIT. He didnt get a chance.

SonOfLe-loLang
08-23-2011, 10:17 AM
Because preseason isn't over and he got far more than that against Dallas and he'll probably get far more than that in the next preseason game.

That's how he can say it.

Thats already after the fact. The coaches said something about an "open competition," but from all the camp reports and the preseason games I watched, Orton took all the snaps with the 1's. I think Orton has played well, I'm excited to see if he's improved, but a "fair competition" would have included equal opportunity. That never happened here

SonOfLe-loLang
08-23-2011, 10:18 AM
Phillip Rivers also sat for 2-3 seasons learning the game after being a 4 year starter at NCS.

I dont think this will benefit tim. Montrose brought this up yesterday and I agree. The guy needs to play and learn on the fly. He's that type of guy.

2KBack
08-23-2011, 10:21 AM
..and I'm sure he got plenty of coaching along the way.

All in all, I don't know what type of pro QB Tebow will be, but I'd like him to get a chance to play more before we trade or release him. I am perfectly fine using him as a weapon in our offense this year, while coaching him on mechanics, reads, drops, etc. Then use the OTAs next year to evaluate him further. If he doesn't pan out, then I can live with that. But what if he becomes a great pro QB? We need to see more in order to know.

I want to watch Bronco victories this year, no doubt. I hope Orton can lead us to the playoffs. Let's just not jump the gun by trading away a guy who is still unproven.

The prevailing sentiment by those whose opinions actually control the future of Tebow in Denver seems to be that Tebow needs more work....not we don't want Tebow.

Tebow needs that coaching, and he will likely be eased onto the field during that time. It isn't a zero sum scenario.

baja
08-23-2011, 10:32 AM
~$10M over 5 years, but ~$6M is due to be paid to him on September 2nd (10 days from now).

So if he is to be moved it will be before sept ten

TonyR
08-23-2011, 10:39 AM
The coaches said something about an "open competition," but from all the camp reports and the preseason games I watched, Orton took all the snaps with the 1's. I think Orton has played well, I'm excited to see if he's improved, but a "fair competition" would have included equal opportunity. That never happened here

What do you suspect they based the decision to give Orton most of the snaps with the 1's on? A hunch? Or do you think perhaps they saw enough of what Tebow could and could not do and made the decisions they thought were best for not only the team but perhaps Tim Tebow as well?

jhns
08-23-2011, 10:43 AM
What do you suspect they based the decision to give Orton most of the snaps with the 1's on? A hunch? Or do you think perhaps they saw enough of what Tebow could and could not do and made the decisions they thought were best for not only the team but perhaps Tim Tebow as well?

This started before they ever worked with the QBs. That means they based it on game tape. This is sad since the game tape clearly shows Tebow outplaying Orton. After seeing the Panthers QB play, and then this, it makes me pretty worried about this teams future at QB.

MacGruder
08-23-2011, 10:48 AM
Rivers has a much quicker release...

River's is nowhere near the athlete Tebow is..

This is why people are so silly to focus so much on Tebow's motion..

Yeah he might get hit more because of the longer motion but he can alos take those hits more which is why his motion is so long - because he is the size of a linebacker.

And therefore why it's stupid to not change the system around Tebow to play to his strengths - his athleticism and durability.

But Fox can't or won't.

MacGruder
08-23-2011, 10:51 AM
This started before they ever worked with the QBs. That means they based it on game tape. This is sad since the game tape clearly shows Tebow outplaying Orton. After seeing the Panthers QB play, and then this, it makes me pretty worried about this teams future at QB.

I think it is possible they based the decision on there being no real offseason.

Either that or they think he just sucks or can't adapt to him.

This is what we don't know.. hopefully we find out shortly when Tebow gets the rust out and Orton falls apart.

peacepipe
08-23-2011, 10:53 AM
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1I7ADBS_en&q=tebow+trade

rumors of a trade are going around

TonyR
08-23-2011, 11:06 AM
rumors of a trade are going around

A bunch of nonsense.

KO5K
08-23-2011, 11:07 AM
So if he is to be moved it will be before sept ten

I read that he's already been paid the bonus.

Will try and find a link later but I definitely read that.

Dedhed
08-23-2011, 11:09 AM
Call me crazy, but I actually believe Elway on this. I think it's clear that the organization doesn't think that Tebow is ready to be our every down quarterback, but I believe that the organization is keeping an open mind on him and are going to use him on spot downs. I think there's a good chance that Tebow becomes a very important part of this offense this year.

I agree. By week 6 I think he will be the bulk of the offense.

Garcia Bronco
08-23-2011, 11:11 AM
I read that he's already been paid the bonus.

Will try and find a link later but I definitely read that.

He has been paid the 6.7 million dollar bonus.

jhns
08-23-2011, 11:11 AM
I read that he's already been paid the bonus.

Will try and find a link later but I definitely read that.

They said it in yesterdays pregame. It was the evidence they used to show Tebow wasn't getting cut or traded now.

Peoples Champ
08-23-2011, 11:18 AM
River's is nowhere near the athlete Tebow is..

This is why people are so silly to focus so much on Tebow's motion..

Yeah he might get hit more because of the longer motion but he can alos take those hits more which is why his motion is so long - because he is the size of a linebacker.

And therefore why it's stupid to not change the system around Tebow to play to his strengths - his athleticism and durability.

But Fox can't or won't.


agreed. i am down to see how this year goes with Orton, but if we suck again I say throw tebow in and do it the unconventional way.

I baseball if you have an unconventional stance, if you can hit the ball then you play. Look at Garry Sheffield, Jeff Bagwell, Ken Griffey Jr, they all had weird stances but are unbelievable hitters.

There is more then one way to skin a cat, i know its a copycat league, but I believe that defense wins championships, so build the defense, and let the offense go a little unconventional.

Garcia Bronco
08-23-2011, 11:24 AM
I dont think this will benefit tim. Montrose brought this up yesterday and I agree. The guy needs to play and learn on the fly. He's that type of guy.

You'd and Montrose would be wrong IMO. He needs to study film and learn to read a defense as well as his own offense all while getting better footwork and throwing mechanics. It's a bunch to learn and there is nothing wrong with waiting.

Gort
08-23-2011, 11:39 AM
I read that he's already been paid the bonus.

Will try and find a link later but I definitely read that.

this isn't a signing bonus. they were talking about it on Dave Logan's show yesterday. apparently Tebow's contract was written so that he gets the biggest lump sum about 1 month into season #2. they said he HASN'T yet been paid this and it's due on September 2nd.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16955094

Garcia Bronco
08-23-2011, 11:47 AM
this isn't a signing bonus. they were talking about it on Dave Logan's show yesterday. apparently Tebow's contract was written so that he gets the biggest lump sum about 1 month into season #2. they said he HASN'T yet been paid this and it's due on September 2nd.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16955094

They wrote him the check yesterday according to Elway.

MacGruder
08-23-2011, 11:51 AM
agreed. i am down to see how this year goes with Orton, but if we suck again I say throw tebow in and do it the unconventional way.

I baseball if you have an unconventional stance, if you can hit the ball then you play. Look at Garry Sheffield, Jeff Bagwell, Ken Griffey Jr, they all had weird stances but are unbelievable hitters.

There is more then one way to skin a cat, i know its a copycat league, but I believe that defense wins championships, so build the defense, and let the offense go a little unconventional.

That's a great point.. if the Bronco Brain trust wants to make a team that is carried by the D and just have a game manager on offense that seems like the perfect opportunity to play Tebow. So why not? Nothing seems to add up.

It also sucks because Orton has so much experience with the team.. if Tebow got inured or stunk Orton could have come in and been really comfortable taking over the team.

and if Orton thinks Tebow stinks so much why is he so afraid to be on the bench behind Tebow? Or why are guys like Brandon Lloyd afraid to play with him? If Tebow stinks so bad he shouldn't last long as the starter and the issue is put to rest.

Garcia Bronco
08-23-2011, 11:53 AM
That's a great point.. if the Bronco Brain trust wants to make a team that is carried by the D and just have a game manager on offense that seems like the perfect opportunity to play Tebow. So why not? Nothing seems to add up.

It also sucks because Orton has so much experience with the team.. if Tebow got inured or stunk Orton could have come in and been really comfortable taking over the team.

and if Orton thinks Tebow stinks so much why is he so afraid to be on the bench behind Tebow? Or why are guys like Brandon Lloyd afraid to play with him? If Tebow stinks so bad he shouldn't last long as the starter and the issue is put to rest.

I don't think Orton "hates" Tebow as people here have claimed. They even worked together during the off-season according to ORton on a local broadcast interview before the Cowboys game.

Beantown Bronco
08-23-2011, 11:56 AM
They wrote him the check yesterday according to Elway.

If it's a check from Bowlen, I hope he told him to make it out to cash.

Tombstone RJ
08-23-2011, 12:05 PM
If it's a check from Bowlen, I hope he told him to make it out to cash.

heyooh!

MacGruder
08-23-2011, 12:07 PM
I don't think Orton "hates" Tebow as people here have claimed. They even worked together during the off-season according to ORton on a local broadcast interview before the Cowboys game.

From what I understand Orton has made it clear he won't backup Tebow.. what that means or if it is true is a mystery.. but it seems to fit with what is going on.

vancejohnson82
08-23-2011, 12:08 PM
That's a great point.. if the Bronco Brain trust wants to make a team that is carried by the D and just have a game manager on offense that seems like the perfect opportunity to play Tebow. So why not? Nothing seems to add up.

It also sucks because Orton has so much experience withI the team.. if Tebow got inured or stunk Orton could have come in and been really comfortable taking over the team.

and if Orton thinks Tebow stinks so much why is he so afraid to be on the bench behind Tebow? Or why are guys like Brandon Lloyd afraid to play with him? If Tebow stinks so bad he shouldn't last long as the starter and the issue is put to rest.

I found this post very difficult to masturbate to

SonOfLe-loLang
08-23-2011, 12:13 PM
What do you suspect they based the decision to give Orton most of the snaps with the 1's on? A hunch? Or do you think perhaps they saw enough of what Tebow could and could not do and made the decisions they thought were best for not only the team but perhaps Tim Tebow as well?

Cause coaches have NEVER been wrong before.

MacGruder
08-23-2011, 12:13 PM
I found this post very difficult to masturbate to

You're projecting again....

SonOfLe-loLang
08-23-2011, 12:16 PM
You'd and Montrose would be wrong IMO. He needs to study film and learn to read a defense as well as his own offense all while getting better footwork and throwing mechanics. It's a bunch to learn and there is nothing wrong with waiting.

Don't agree. Plus, this whole "sitting" thing is not some proven method because there are many other examples of trial by fire that has worked well too. Tim doesn't seem like the kind of guy who will get rattled by failure. He's more of a gamer than a practice player, which leads me to believe he'd show most improvement by playing.

There's no way to prove either of us are right or wrong, but i dont see the benefit of him sitting. I feel he could learn defenses in and out and then revert back to old ways when under pressure. But i think should he learn the defenses while under pressure, it'd be a smoother transition.

vancejohnson82
08-23-2011, 12:18 PM
You're projecting again....

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TonyR
08-23-2011, 12:40 PM
Cause coaches have NEVER been wrong before.

But who knows more about the players, their coaches or their fans? The fact that I even have to ask this question shows how ridiculous this is.

TheReverend
08-23-2011, 12:53 PM
But who knows more about the players, their coaches or their fans? The fact that I even have to ask this question shows how ridiculous this is.

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....sometimes the fans.

TonyR
08-23-2011, 12:55 PM
....sometimes the fans.

LOL Touche!

Haroldthebarrel
08-23-2011, 12:56 PM
is it so bad to let a project sit a few years. turned out well for rivers and rogers.

Garcia Bronco
08-23-2011, 12:59 PM
Don't agree. Plus, this whole "sitting" thing is not some proven method because there are many other examples of trial by fire that has worked well too. Tim doesn't seem like the kind of guy who will get rattled by failure. He's more of a gamer than a practice player, which leads me to believe he'd show most improvement by playing.

There's no way to prove either of us are right or wrong, but i dont see the benefit of him sitting. I feel he could learn defenses in and out and then revert back to old ways when under pressure. But i think should he learn the defenses while under pressure, it'd be a smoother transition.

Trial by fire doesn't really work out that well in many circumstances and should only be done as a last resort. It's better to learn up front.

TheReverend
08-23-2011, 01:04 PM
LOL Touche!

Don't get me wrong...

McDaniels is a completely isolated incident and I just completely respect the personnel evaluations of a guy who landed his franchise in a 2-14 season.

Compelling stuff.

Haroldthebarrel
08-23-2011, 01:20 PM
Trial by fire doesn't really work out that well in many circumstances and should only be done as a last resort. It's better to learn up front.

exactly. same thing for soldiers, policemen, firemen and more. if you accept the similarity that is.

SonOfLe-loLang
08-23-2011, 01:26 PM
Trial by fire doesn't really work out that well in many circumstances and should only be done as a last resort. It's better to learn up front.

There is zero proof to this statement. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt. Sometimes sitting works, sometimes it doesnt. Its a case by case basis. For Tim, i think he'd be better suited for a trial by fire

Dedhed
08-23-2011, 01:46 PM
Trial by fire doesn't really work out that well in many circumstances and should only be done as a last resort. It's better to learn up front.

This is complete fluff. Even the Rogers and Rivers examples are pointless. They each could be further ahead of where they are now if they had started from day 1, for all you know.

There's no substitute for experience, and Tebow has already proven he can handle himself just fine on an NFL field in real games.

Dedhed
08-23-2011, 01:49 PM
exactly. same thing for soldiers, policemen, firemen and more. if you accept the similarity that is.

I don't accept the analogy at all. It's hard to learn from your mistakes if you're dead.

How many rookies QBs have died because they were thrown to the wolves?

Garcia Bronco
08-23-2011, 02:07 PM
This is complete fluff. Even the Rogers and Rivers examples are pointless. They each could be further ahead of where they are now if they had started from day 1, for all you know.

There's no substitute for experience, and Tebow has already proven he can handle himself just fine on an NFL field in real games.

Not this pre-season.

Garcia Bronco
08-23-2011, 02:08 PM
I don't accept the analogy at all. It's hard to learn from your mistakes if you're dead.

How many rookies QBs have died because they were thrown to the wolves?

We were talking about about the trial by fire un most circumstances. Not just footabll. You also have a lot of unintended consequences. It's best to learn up from front.

Haroldthebarrel
08-23-2011, 02:09 PM
I don't accept the analogy at all. It's hard to learn from your mistakes if you're dead.

How many rookies QBs have died because they were thrown to the wolves?

and that is why they practice time and time again. as for the second part. obviously none dead but you could argue carr, harrington, carter, edwards, young, leinhardt, losman, both a smiths, leftwich and more "killed" their careers by starting toosoon. if you play the odds, a qb taken early has agreater shot succeeding the less he plays the first two years. look it up.

SonOfLe-loLang
08-23-2011, 02:15 PM
Not this pre-season.

O RLY? You're basing his total worth on 9 passes (a few of which were very good)?

SonOfLe-loLang
08-23-2011, 02:16 PM
We were talking about about the trial by fire un most circumstances. Not just footabll. You also have a lot of unintended consequences. It's best to learn up from front.

LEARNING involves DOING. Whats studying film going to do if you cant test it as you go along

SonOfLe-loLang
08-23-2011, 02:17 PM
and that is why they practice time and time again. as for the second part. obviously none dead but you could argue carr, harrington, carter, edwards, young, leinhardt, losman, both a smiths, leftwich and more "killed" their careers by starting toosoon. if you play the odds, a qb taken early has agreater shot succeeding the less he plays the first two years. look it up.

Prove their careers were derailed by starting to early. Prove it.

Dedhed
08-23-2011, 02:20 PM
and that is why they practice time and time again.They can only practice because if they're put in a real situation they die. That's not even remotely true of starting a QB.



carr, harrington, carter, edwards, young, leinhardt, losman, both a smiths, leftwich and more "killed" their careers by starting toosoon. if you play the odds, a qb taken early has agreater shot succeeding the less he plays the first two years. look it up.I would argue that they all would have sucked no matter how long they waited. They were soft.
Flacco, Ryan, Elway, Manning, Marino, Kelly, Bradford, Namath.

Dedhed
08-23-2011, 02:22 PM
Not this pre-season.

So pre-season games now count towards the playoffs?

Dedhed
08-23-2011, 02:25 PM
We were talking about about the trial by fireAnd I'm saying it's a stupid analogy to compare taking a bullet to the head to throwing incomplete passes. You can learn from one.

It's best to learn up from front.
According to you. I disagree completely.

Haroldthebarrel
08-23-2011, 02:26 PM
Prove their careers were derailed by starting to early. Prove it.

how? statistically the odds are favouring my point. is that allright? then again, are you basing off data or your own opinion? because i am not doing all that work only to have you argue against me without serious data to back your claim.

Haroldthebarrel
08-23-2011, 02:31 PM
And I'm saying it's a stupid analogy to compare taking a bullet to the head to throwing incomplete passes. You can learn from one.


According to you. I disagree completely.

dont forget we arnt talking only about dying. we are talking more likely about police brutality to innocents . buildings burned down due to basic errors. army lost in the terrain. etc

Dedhed
08-23-2011, 02:31 PM
how? statistically the odds are favouring my point. is that allright? then again, are you basing off data or your own opinion? because i am not doing all that work only to have you argue against me without serious data to back your claim.

I don't think you get it. There is no statistic that can support your point.

Dedhed
08-23-2011, 02:32 PM
dont forget we arnt talking only about dying. we are talkingmore likely about police brutality. buildings burned down due to basic errors. army lost in the terrain. etc

Which all further supports my stance.

Haroldthebarrel
08-23-2011, 02:36 PM
[QUOTE=Dedhed;3265076]I don't think you get it. There is no statistic that can support your point.[/QUOTEan
data?