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epicSocialism4tw
08-22-2011, 03:28 PM
Starts the game with a pick 6. Follows it up with a pile of failed drives, including two failures on 4th and 1 (one of which was on the goal line), five 3-and-outs, and a sack-fumble.

The mantra on Kyle is that he won't win you any games, but he wont lose you any games either. That Raiders debacle last year (arguably the most embarrassing regular season game in Broncos history) was a Kyle Orton loss.

Powderaddict
08-22-2011, 03:31 PM
I sincerely hope NO Bronco team ever has a game like that one.

I thought the charger drubbing at home a few years ago was about the worst thing I'd ever seen in Denver (other than Jax punking us in the playoffs that was worse), but that raider game was an all time low.

That's when I went from staunch pro-McDaniels to anti-McDaniels, and started to really doubt KO.

OBF1
08-22-2011, 03:32 PM
NO

cutthemdown
08-22-2011, 03:33 PM
He had a bad game for sure. If Orton plays that bad he makes it easy on Fox. People need to understand that Fox knows the Broncos have a ways to go. IMO he knows he can play all the Qbs this yr and say he was evaluating. No offseason, team in shambles, its a throwaway yr where the main goals will be squaring away the defense and seeing what we have at QB. Starting off with Orton is a smart move IMO because the WR all want him to start. Tebow to crazy, you can't have a regular offense with him right now. We have Brandon Lloyd and he has a better connection with Orton the Tebow does. If orton plays poorly and we aren't winning because of it, then I would say that Fox would then be able to take a look. But it could be Quinn that gets first crack.

I don't care what Tebows stats were in that Dallas game. He did some plays that tell me he isn't ready.

MacGruder
08-22-2011, 03:34 PM
It's funny because it seems Kyle is always trying to put the blame and responsibility on everyone else but himself. and somehow he does it... everyone buys into it and no one comments about how Kyle needs to man up and be a better QB.

Tebow is the complete opposite.. and tries to carry the team and legitimately takes responsibility for all the bad even though he is trying to carry the team and CAN carry the team.. but because he isn't perfect he "isn't ready".

And fox and Elway chose Kyle as the teams leader.. and supposedly the players did too..

WTF is wrong with these people?

bendog
08-22-2011, 03:36 PM
God woulnd't let Tebow be that bad even if he can't make reads or even consistently take snaps under center.

epicSocialism4tw
08-22-2011, 03:37 PM
God woulnd't let Tebow be that bad even if he can't make reads or even consistently take snaps under center.

Weirdo.

theAPAOps5
08-22-2011, 03:40 PM
It's funny because it seems Kyle is always trying to put the blame and responsibility on everyone else but himself. and somehow he does it... everyone buys into it and no one comments about how Kyle needs to man up and be a better QB.

Tebow is the complete opposite.. and tries to carry the team and legitimately takes responsibility for all the bad even though he is trying to carry the team and CAN carry the team.. but because he isn't perfect he "isn't ready".

And fox and Elway chose Kyle as the teams leader.. and supposedly the players did too..

WTF is wrong with these people?

They are smarter than you.

Requiem
08-22-2011, 03:40 PM
Yes he could.

Powderaddict
08-22-2011, 03:41 PM
It's funny because it seems Kyle is always trying to put the blame and responsibility on everyone else but himself. and somehow he does it... everyone buys into it and no one comments about how Kyle needs to man up and be a better QB.

Tebow is the complete opposite.. and tries to carry the team and legitimately takes responsibility for all the bad even though he is trying to carry the team and CAN carry the team.. but because he isn't perfect he "isn't ready".

And fox and Elway chose Kyle as the teams leader.. and supposedly the players did too..

WTF is wrong with these people?

I like Tebow and don't care much for Orton,

But where has Orton blamed others for the team's failures? Much like the Tebow worshipers I've seen some of Orton's fans try to explain away his failures, but honestly I don't recall Orton himself ever blaming anyone else.

I'd love to see it if he has and I pay close attention to these things so I'd be pretty shocked that I missed it. Can you provide examples? I'd be very interested to see them.

epicSocialism4tw
08-22-2011, 03:42 PM
Yes he could.

Yeah, its possible.

If all four of his limbs fell off and he played the game flopping about the field like a fish out of water, batting the ball around with his nubs...I could see him having a worse game.

OABB
08-22-2011, 03:43 PM
Starts the game with a pick 6. Follows it up with a pile of failed drives, including two failures on 4th and 1 (one of which was on the goal line), five 3-and-outs, and a sack-fumble.

The mantra on Kyle is that he won't win you any games, but he wont lose you any games either. That Raiders debacle last year (arguably the most embarrassing regular season game in Broncos history) was a Kyle Orton loss.

but he gives us the best chance to win.









Oh i'm sorry, I meant he gives the other team the best chance to win.

TheReverend
08-22-2011, 03:49 PM
Definitely no.

Or Orton's play vs SD.

Or Orton's play vs KC.

Or Orton's play vs Balt.

Or Orton's play vs AZ.

Or...

****in dog**** FO and staff, apparently. Must've gotten lucky on draft day.

Dedhed
08-22-2011, 03:58 PM
Hopefully by doing this now it will shorten the number of weeks he remains the starter in real games

theAPAOps5
08-22-2011, 04:01 PM
I think we see plenty of touchdown Jesus. No reason to fret people.

Jay3
08-22-2011, 04:02 PM
If Tebow ever had a game that bad, even I would toss him out. Conclude he does not have what it takes.

Because it gets tougher than that in the postseason. Something Orton has never seen.

MacGruder
08-22-2011, 04:03 PM
I like Tebow and don't care much for Orton,

But where has Orton blamed others for the team's failures? Much like the Tebow worshipers I've seen some of Orton's fans try to explain away his failures, but honestly I don't recall Orton himself ever blaming anyone else.

I don't have any specific instances I can point to or show proof of.. it's just something I have noticed him allude to when he talks about the team... about how the run game isn't playing well enough... about how if only "this element of the team could be better then we would be great" etc etc.

And he does it by his play as well because he never takes risks of any kind. Like in the Dallas game where they were at the one yard line and he just throws it out of bounds again and again. Yet no one ever blames him in these situations on the team.

I also remember him saying how Denver fans "expect the world" from their QB to live up to Elway.

But just look at how all this off season no one talked about what Orton needed to do and neither did he.. and he wants to be traded and acts like he deserves to be the starter.

It's very very very strange.. it's some kind of Jedi mind trick.. lol

It's the COMPLETE opposite of Tebow...

Orton is a guy who spent his whole life training to pretend to be a QB just running a system, with hollow numbers

Tebow spent his whole life doing the complete opposite.. it shows what is wrong with the QB position right now across the board.

DHallblows
08-22-2011, 04:09 PM
I don't have any specific instances I can point to or show proof of.. it's just something I have noticed him allude to when he talks about the team... about how the run game isn't playing well enough... about how if only "this element of the team could be better then we would be great" etc etc.

And he does it by his play as well because he never takes risks of any kind. Like in the Dallas game where they were at the one yard line and he just throws it out of bounds again and again. Yet no one ever blames him in these situations on the team.

I also remember him saying how Denver fans "expect the world" from their QB to live up to Elway.

But just look at how all this off season no one talked about what Orton needed to do and neither did he.. and he wants to be traded and acts like he deserves to be the starter.

It's very very very strange.. it's some kind of Jedi mind trick.. lol

It's the COMPLETE opposite of Tebow...

Orton is a guy who spent his whole life training to pretend to be a QB just running a system, with hollow numbers

Tebow spent his whole life doing the complete opposite.. it shows what is wrong with the QB position right now across the board.

Sooooo...you don't have any evidence of the hyperbole spewing from your mouth?

TheReverend
08-22-2011, 04:10 PM
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OABB
08-22-2011, 04:11 PM
http://www.qhud.net/pictures/2011/01/Cute-black-guy-kfc.jpg-.jpg

not sure why you posted that. but it's my new avatar.

TheReverend
08-22-2011, 04:12 PM
not sure why you posted that. but it's my new avatar.

It needed to hit a thread and frankly this seemed like the closest fit

MacGruder
08-22-2011, 04:12 PM
Sooooo...you don't have any evidence of the hyperbole spewing from your mouth?

Just because I can't point to a picture of you online doesn't mean you don't exist does it?

Is it hyperbole to say you do?

Maximus
08-22-2011, 04:13 PM
Starts the game with a pick 6. Follows it up with a pile of failed drives, including two failures on 4th and 1 (one of which was on the goal line), five 3-and-outs, and a sack-fumble.

The mantra on Kyle is that he won't win you any games, but he wont lose you any games either. That Raiders debacle last year (arguably the most embarrassing regular season game in Broncos history) was a Kyle Orton loss.

What I don't get is how anyone can blame the whole loss on Orton ??? He threw an early pick 6... However, the O-line was dominated and gave up the sacks. You're RB's didn't show up and neither did your defense. I would say that since Heblows is less accurate he might have done worse. You can't blame that game on 1 person. It was a complete team loss.

TheReverend
08-22-2011, 04:15 PM
What I don't get is how anyone can blame the whole loss on Orton ??? He threw an early pick 6... However, the O-line was dominated and gave up the sacks. You're RB's didn't show up and neither did your defense. I would say that since Heblows is less accurate he might have done worse. You can't blame that game on 1 person. It was a complete team loss.

Weird considering in his first ever NFL start without a HC and in probably the most hostile stadium for a Denver Bronco in the nation, he did better.

Much better.

bendog
08-22-2011, 04:17 PM
i will never eat KFC again ... ever.

epicSocialism4tw
08-22-2011, 04:18 PM
Weird considering in his first ever NFL start without a HC and in probably the most hostile stadium for a Denver Bronco in the nation, he did better.

Much better.

When the offensive line failed him, he bolted for a 40-yard highlight reel run where he carried a Raider into the endzone...in their rathole of a stadium.

Karl Orton took a sack, coughed up the ball, and Oakland scored.

People have forgotten just how awful Orton was last season.

MacGruder
08-22-2011, 04:19 PM
Weird considering in his first ever NFL start without a HC and in probably the most hostile stadium for a Denver Bronco in the nation, he did better.

Much better.

He just got lucky though dude.

Tebow is just the luckiest dude who ever lived

Remember when he LUCKED into that record breaking TD run..

Or remember when he LUCKED into that TD pass with Lloyd?

Or remember when he LUCKED into those 2 national championships etc etc..

And Kyle is just the UNLUCKIEST person ever.. lol

OABB
08-22-2011, 04:21 PM
When the offensive line failed him, he bolted for a 40-yard highlight reel run where he carried a Raider into the endzone...in their rathole of a stadium.

Karl Orton took a sack, coughed up the ball, and Oakland scored.

People have forgotten just how awful Orton was last season.

not the smart ones or the people that care about the broncos.

gunns
08-22-2011, 04:21 PM
While there's a lot of games I do blame on Orton, that's not one that I blame on him solely. That was a team effort. And while I also don't believe Tebow would have a game that bad, I do think he could come pretty close.

epicSocialism4tw
08-22-2011, 04:22 PM
not the smart ones or the people that care about the broncos.

Hey, but he threw for a ton of yards while we were getting our butts kicked.

OABB
08-22-2011, 04:23 PM
Hey, but he threw for a ton of yards while we were getting our butts kicked.

and he practices really well.

epicSocialism4tw
08-22-2011, 04:28 PM
and he practices really well.

He also gets the ball to Lloyd every other throw, which means mo' money mo' money...no need to win when everyone's banking.

MacGruder
08-22-2011, 04:28 PM
While there's a lot of games I do blame on Orton, that's not one that I blame on him solely. That was a team effort. And while I also don't believe Tebow would have a game that bad, I do think he could come pretty close.

There is a difference between beating yourself by quitting and beating yourself by trying to win.

I would take one over the other ANY time.

That is why Orton is a loser.. because his whole game is based on trying not to lose. And once again.. the complete converse of someone else on the team.

Same with Quinn.. he threw that INT in the red zone against Buffalo.. but i respect that much more than the way Orton plays.

Cito Pelon
08-22-2011, 04:37 PM
That was a team debacle. Orton had his hand in it, and didn't lead the team out of it, but for you to dwell on it as an Orton thing indicates what a candy ass you can be sometimes.

TheReverend
08-22-2011, 04:40 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/19/john-fox-accused-of-mutiny-in-carolina/

In a sense, this insane Panthers quarterback situation (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/18/panthers-to-start-brian-st-pierre-on-sunday/) feels familiar. “John Fox came up to me on Wednesday and said Vinny Testaverde did this three years ago,” sudden starter Brian St. Pierre said Thursday via the Rock Hill Herald. “I said, ‘Well, Vinny has a little better resume than I do.’ “
Even St. Pierre knows this situation is different. He was putting diapers (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/11/18/1849261/it-is-what-it-is-and-thats-mutiny.html#ixzz15juwuTuq) on his kid two weeks ago. He’s 30, and has thrown five career passes. Fox didn’t have much in the way of explanation of why St. Pierre got the call over rookie Tony Pike, who has been with the team since April

bendog
08-22-2011, 04:46 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/19/john-fox-accused-of-mutiny-in-carolina/

spam and it's still bs. Look at the comments. The FO gave his a crap squad and told him it was his last year but they were too cheap to fire him, so he gave them the fickle finger on the way out.

Maximus
08-22-2011, 04:49 PM
Weird considering in his first ever NFL start without a HC and in probably the most hostile stadium for a Denver Bronco in the nation, he did better.

Much better.

Not really Rev... You have to admit that your Oline was out of sync for quite a while during that season and the Defense didn't show up at all. Fast forward to the second game and your O-Line play improved and the Defense had something to prove so, Heblows had a better chance in that game.

I'm sure Orton would have had better results in the second game too. The Donks lack of a Running game last season was a major problem for the whole offense. No QB can survive if the defense doesn't have to worry about the run.

epicSocialism4tw
08-22-2011, 04:50 PM
That was a team debacle. Orton had his hand in it, and didn't lead the team out of it, but for you to dwell on it as an Orton thing indicates what a candy ass you can be sometimes.

Orton collapsed right out of the gate. It was very much an Orton loss.

I highly suggest going back to look at the play by play. Orton contributed nothing but turnovers that led to TD's and 3-and-outs for much of the time that the Raiders were running up the score.

If we're going to hold the backup QB responsible for every play, we're going to hold the same standard for the starter.

MacGruder
08-22-2011, 04:57 PM
Not really Rev... You have to admit that your Oline was out of sync for quite a while during that season and the Defense didn't show up at all. Fast forward to the second game and your O-Line play improved and the Defense had something to prove so, Heblows had a better chance in that game.

I'm sure Orton would have had better results in the second game too. The Donks lack of a Running game last season was a major problem for the whole offense. No QB can survive if the defense doesn't have to worry about the run.

Orton got destroyed by Arizona too. Arizona with John Skelton... a QB that actually deserved Merril Hoge's BS.

cutthemdown
08-22-2011, 05:09 PM
Not really Rev... You have to admit that your Oline was out of sync for quite a while during that season and the Defense didn't show up at all. Fast forward to the second game and your O-Line play improved and the Defense had something to prove so, Heblows had a better chance in that game.

I'm sure Orton would have had better results in the second game too. The Donks lack of a Running game last season was a major problem for the whole offense. No QB can survive if the defense doesn't have to worry about the run.

Well maybe the really special QBS, manning, elway, marino, montana when they are hot. But Orton is avg, I freely admit that, he for sure needs some defensive help and a running game to win 10 games. Without it he's a losing qb IMO.

I still think though he's better then a lot of other teams crap including Campbell. I saw all I need to see on that play he got hurt. Classic Campbell dropping the ball then getting whacked.

Raiders injuries aren't serious, just a lot of dings that could keep people out first game, has kept some from playing and practicing, etc etc. Could be a good chance for Broncos to surprise Raiders.

cutthemdown
08-22-2011, 05:11 PM
It's all moot IMO. If Orton open the season with a performance that bad then it won't be long before Orton is benched, his dream of a contract he likes next yr gone, and he probably plays the backup role for the rest of his career. The Broncos look pretty well coached though. A few things here and there they need to iron out like 12 men in huddle I think i saw once, but pretty good for a new coach with no offseason.

vancejohnson82
08-22-2011, 05:14 PM
your agenda -------> we get it

broncocalijohn
08-22-2011, 05:16 PM
http://www.qhud.net/pictures/2011/01/Cute-black-guy-kfc.jpg-.jpg

Rev just found the replacement of his famous lobster pic. You have finally been replaced.

Epic, you sound like a ****ing bby complaining about that game months later and asking if Tebow would have that bad of a game. Is that your reason that he should start based on a QBs worst game? How about the worst game by a defense? I like Tebow but between threads like this and MacGruder, the more he fails is only putting a smile when said posters and threads have a ****ing boohoo written all over it.

Cito Pelon
08-22-2011, 05:20 PM
Orton collapsed right out of the gate. It was very much an Orton loss.

I highly suggest going back to look at the play by play. Orton contributed nothing but turnovers that led to TD's and 3-and-outs for much of the time that the Raiders were running up the score.

If we're going to hold the backup QB responsible for every play, we're going to hold the same standard for the starter.

You're an idiot if you think a 59-14 defeat should be focused on the QB.

epicSocialism4tw
08-22-2011, 05:22 PM
You're an idiot if you think a 59-14 defeat should be focused on the QB.

I take it you didn't look at the play-by-play. Ha!

Here, I'll even do your leg work for you: http://espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=301024007

The truth is the truth. Whether you are comfortable with it or not.

Inkana7
08-22-2011, 05:26 PM
Project QB doesn't start in Year 2, people freak out. Film at 11.

Inkana7
08-22-2011, 05:26 PM
When the offensive line failed him, he bolted for a 40-yard highlight reel run where he carried a Raider into the endzone...in their rathole of a stadium.

Karl Orton took a sack, coughed up the ball, and Oakland scored.

People have forgotten just how awful Orton was last season.

Yeah that line sure failed him on a designed draw play.

epicSocialism4tw
08-22-2011, 05:28 PM
Yeah that line sure failed him on a designed draw play.

It wasn't a designed draw, it was a busted play.

Cito Pelon
08-22-2011, 05:29 PM
I take it you didn't look at the play-by-play. Ha!

Here, I'll even do your leg work for you: http://espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=301024007

The truth is the truth. Whether you are comfortable with it or not.

You actually think 59 points given up is on the QB? Sheesh, well we know how you roll, bud. So we'll take it as you just trying to make some kind of point that none of us can fathom other than yourself. Have a good day . . .

Inkana7
08-22-2011, 05:30 PM
It wasn't a designed draw.

Lulz. Yes it was. A RB Draw, but a designed draw nonetheless:

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2010/12/19/tebows-td-run-nearly-didnt-happen/6204/

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-22-2011, 05:30 PM
Oh, look. Another thread like this.

Time to wake up from your fever dreams, Tebowners. He's not a real quarterback. He's a short yardage specialist and a gimmick player. He'll help us win games this year... from the backup quarterback position.

And frankly, that doesn't sound so bad.

epicSocialism4tw
08-22-2011, 05:31 PM
You actually think 59 points given up is on the QB? Sheesh, well we know how you roll, bud. So we'll take it as you just trying to make some kind of point that none of us can fathom other than yourself. Have a good day . . .

I'm not sure how you can take your opinion seriously if you didn't even reference what the thread was about.

epicSocialism4tw
08-22-2011, 05:31 PM
Lulz. Yes it was. A RB Draw, but a designed draw nonetheless:

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2010/12/19/tebows-td-run-nearly-didnt-happen/6204/

Well, I guess you learned something. That's good.

MacGruder
08-22-2011, 05:47 PM
Project QB doesn't start in Year 2, people freak out. Film at 11.

Tebow's only a project Qb because they aren't tailoring their style of play to him.

So bottom line they think their system with Orton is better than Tebow's system with Tebow.

It's really about ego.... Elway and Fox.

Maximus
08-22-2011, 05:48 PM
Well maybe the really special QBS, manning, elway, marino, montana when they are hot. But Orton is avg, I freely admit that, he for sure needs some defensive help and a running game to win 10 games. Without it he's a losing qb IMO.

I still think though he's better then a lot of other teams crap including Campbell. I saw all I need to see on that play he got hurt. Classic Campbell dropping the ball then getting whacked.

Raiders injuries aren't serious, just a lot of dings that could keep people out first game, has kept some from playing and practicing, etc etc. Could be a good chance for Broncos to surprise Raiders.

There you go again... Forgetting the facts about Elway. I've said it many times. Elway didn't prove squat until Terrell Davis came along! That was a combination of matched talents. However, if you put TD on any other team, like the rest of the donkey backs... He would have been useless! He was matched up with the perfect system for his running style (One reason why he will not make the HOF) So, I'm not taking anything from Elway. Just pointing out the fact that he didn't do squat until he got a running game!

The running game is why Marino didn't win a SB!

As far as the injuries are concerned... Everyone except Murphy is scheduled to play in the opener!

Maximus
08-22-2011, 05:59 PM
Tebow's only a project Qb because they aren't tailoring their style of play to him.

So bottom line they think their system with Orton is better than Tebow's system with Tebow.

It's really about ego.... Elway and Fox.

This is the biggest crock of **** I've been hearing. You cannot design an entire offense around a QB... You draft a QB that best fits the Organizational philosophy and the current system. You might tweak some plays to take advantage of specific talent but not an entire offense.

I know you didn't say the entire offense, but when a player lacks a huge percentage of skills and cannot read defenses or go through the entire progression of plays... its almost impossible to design a successful game plan... there isn't that much vanilla in vanilla ice cream!

epicSocialism4tw
08-22-2011, 06:00 PM
This is the biggest crock of **** I've been hearing. You cannot design an entire offense around a QB... You draft a QB that best fits the Organizational philosophy and the current system. You might tweak some plays to take advantage of specific talent but not an entire offense.

I know you didn't say the entire offense, but when a player lacks a huge percentage of skills and cannot read defenses or go through the entire progression of plays... its almost impossible to design a successful game plan... there isn't that much vanilla in vanilla ice cream!

Explain Peyton Manning.

He is the system.

MacGruder
08-22-2011, 06:05 PM
This is the biggest crock of **** I've been hearing. You cannot design an entire offense around a QB... You draft a QB that best fits the Organizational philosophy and the current system. You might tweak some plays to take advantage of specific talent but not an entire offense.

I know you didn't say the entire offense, but when a player lacks a huge percentage of skills and cannot read defenses or go through the entire progression of plays... its almost impossible to design a successful game plan... there isn't that much vanilla in vanilla ice cream!

They already HAVE the offense.. McD and Belli could do it with this same offense.. Their offense is based on Tebow's offense in college,

Urban Meyer said if you try to just turn Tebow into a pocket passer it's not going to work.

The Bronco Brain trust is not even TRYING to use the system McD was going to use..

They may be using part of it.. but it is just the part that caters to a pro style offense.

People think safe is successful.. and that is why so many NFL teams SUCK.

Tebow is proof of this.. he is so successful BECAUSE he is so unique. Opposing teams cannot adapt to him.

Maximus
08-22-2011, 07:02 PM
They already HAVE the offense.. McD and Belli could do it with this same offense.. Their offense is based on Tebow's offense in college,

Urban Meyer said if you try to just turn Tebow inot a pocket passer it;s not going to work.

The Bronco Brain trust is not even TRYING to use the system McD was going to use..

They may be using part of it.. but it is just the part that caters to a pro style offense.

People think safe is successful.. and that is why so many NFL teams SUCK.

Tebow is proof of this.. he is so successful BECAUSE he is so unique. Teams cannot adapt to him.

I'll start with the last point first... Honestly there is nothing unique about Tebow. He's cut from the Bobby Douglas, Bubby Brister mold a 3rd world country Jim Kelly... without the arm or the football skills of Kelly. What's unique about him?

You're reaching on the McDonkey thing. They were not building an offense with tebow in mind. They didn't even know they would get him on draft day! Proof of them not knowing was the way they reached to get him in round 1. The reach was out of some crazy fear that other teams were going to take him in the first round zowie!

Cassell was McDonkeys QB of choice so, you're reaching on that one.

Maximus
08-22-2011, 07:04 PM
Explain Peyton Manning.

He is the system.

Manning is one of the best ball handlers in the business...

Dedhed
08-22-2011, 07:06 PM
Lulz. Yes it was. A RB Draw, but a designed draw nonetheless:

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2010/12/19/tebows-td-run-nearly-didnt-happen/6204/

Nice backpedal. You should try out at CB.

cutthemdown
08-22-2011, 07:07 PM
It doesn't matter Maximus. Even if most of those players scheduled to play they have went without practice and frankly the Raiders oline looks horrid. Campbell likewise looks really bad. A gimpy Kevin Boss will not replace Miller. Campbell looks like crap you have to admit. No wonder the Raiders drafted Pryor.

Rigs11
08-22-2011, 07:13 PM
Tebow's only a project Qb because they aren't tailoring their style of play to him.

So bottom line they think their system with Orton is better than Tebow's system with Tebow.

It's really about ego.... Elway and Fox.

Wow talk about ego..yours.the denver broncos are supposed to completely revamp their system to tailor wonderboy?Tell me are there any teams that have done this for guys that can't throw from the pocket?

MacGruder
08-22-2011, 07:24 PM
I'll start with the last point first... Honestly there is nothing unique about Tebow. He's cut from the Bobby Douglas, Bubby Brister mold a 3rd world country Jim Kelly... without the arm or the football skills of Kelly. What's unique about him?

Tebow is as strong as lineman.... he weighs 20 lbs more than Vick and has a higher vertical than him and Cam Newton.. He has better 3 cone and 60 yard shuttle than wide receivers. AND he passes at an extremely high level.. he passes deep better than your average QB.

Why the heck do you think Steve Young and Jon Gruden say you can revolutionize the QB position in the NFL with him? Haven't I posted the quotes enough yet? All he needs is to tighten up his short passing..

You're reaching on the McDonkey thing. They were not building an offense with tebow in mind.

The system was already suited for Tebow.. this is why McD drafted him.. he would likely add more to it for Tebow but the base was already there. They developed it from elements of Florida's offense.

They didn't even know they would get him on draft day! Proof of them not knowing was the way they reached to get him in round 1. The reach was out of some crazy fear that other teams were going to take him in the first round zowie!

You don't know it was crazy.. there is no way of knowing..

Cassell was McDonkeys QB of choice so, you're reaching on that one.

Cassel is a poor man's Tebow and played like it that year for the Pats. He put up the same rushing stats as Vince Young the following year. Young was in a slightly shortened season but still this is Matt Freakin Cassel.. McD was smart to know how Tebow could be used in the same system which is why he used that number one pick.. sadly the new brain trust doesn't have that ability.. and that is why they are playing Orton over Tebow.

At the beginning of last season McD said Tebow would not need near as much development as people thought. That should tell you right there..

MacGruder
08-22-2011, 07:29 PM
Wow talk about ego..yours.the denver broncos are supposed to completely revamp their system to tailor wonderboy?Tell me are there any teams that have done this for guys that can't throw from the pocket?

It wasn't that difficult.. the system was there.. that was why McD got Tebow.. fox and Elway are obviously too stubborn, arrogant or scared to use it.

Let's face it.. like most NFL guys they aren't the most cerebral.

It is FOX and Elway that need to develop. Tebow is perfectly suited for this era.. it's Fox and Elway that are anachronisms.. which is why Orton and Quinn are so perfect for them.. because they are equally as anachronistic.

It's just like Orton pretending he doesn't need to improve.. the rest of the team does.. they are a perfect match of mediocrity, ineptitude and impotence.