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vancejohnson82
08-20-2011, 11:21 PM
1) The defense is going to be MUCH better than we BRONCOS fans have seen in a long time. Pressure on the QB????? I had no idea what that was like to watch. Granted, it was the Bills, who struggle up front, but wow. Great to see. It frees up DJ and lets our safeties and corners play on their toes instead of on the back of their heels.

2) the addition of Willis is going to help a lot if he can stay off the weed and take up 10 carries a game. The reason he is open on the edges on those screens is because when Moreno goes the D expects power. I really like the 1/2 of Moreno and WMcG. Moreno will have a career year this year.

3) The QB controversy is done. Over.....FINITO. GET OVER IT

4) Von Miller is going to win RDPOTY (i think I might have added too many letters). Kids a beast. Im a fan and a jersey orderer (another word)

5) We are making the playoffs and winning the AFC West. Perfect combo of veterans and youth talent. Goddamnit, if Bey Bey was healthy we would get a lot more props.

6) Tebow needs to be put into packages. I feel like the entire rule about 3 QBs on the gameday roster was MADE for us. We can really **** with some teams inside the twenty and even during normal game situations.

7) The media is now very anti-Tebow. Have you seen the highlights they show. Let's not let the "East Coast" nerds ruin him. At the end of the season we have 3 options.

Hate on haters

broncswin
08-20-2011, 11:24 PM
BAM!! needed to be added to the end of that post

vancejohnson82
08-20-2011, 11:26 PM
I am almost willing to guarantee a 9-7 or 10-6 season. I think Fox is really licking his chops right now saying, "wow, this team isn't as bad as I thought they were going to be"

the injury bug KILLED us last year and I feel like we may get some luck, although the Warren thing hurt

whatever, I just feel like we are light years ahead of where we were going last year

vancejohnson82
08-20-2011, 11:29 PM
and you know who the Chargers are? Us, in 2007. Best chance a few years back, with players vacating to go to better teams. They had their shot and got butt****ed in the playoffs.

I'm only worried about (gulp) the Raiders

teknic
08-20-2011, 11:31 PM
I am almost willing to guarantee a 9-7 or 10-6 season. I think Fox is really licking his chops right now saying, "wow, this team isn't as bad as I thought they were going to be"

the injury bug KILLED us last year and I feel like we may get some luck, although the Warren thing hurt

whatever, I just feel like we are light years ahead of where we were going last year

It was the Bills. Let's not overreact.

I happen to live where the Bills are usually the only game on tv, and they are completely awful.

vancejohnson82
08-20-2011, 11:37 PM
It was the Bills. Let's not overreact.

I happen to live where the Bills are usually the only game on tv, and they are completely awful.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not judging this off of one game.

I'm judging it off of a few things.

a) Our staff wouldnt have held onto Orton if they didnt think we had ANY chance to win. They saw something and decided "you know what, this isn't a bad team. We might be able to win some games"

b) Great picks. We have guys that can fill in immediately. The addition of guys like Miller and Moore who get to play with DJ and Champ is unbelievable.

c) The wheels fell off last year due to a perfect storm of awfulness (kinda like my grandparents divorce last week) Doom's injury a DAY after he signed the contract. Thats a sign

Bob's your Information Minister
08-20-2011, 11:40 PM
From what I saw, if the Bills had bothered to keep running it they probably could have had at least 100 rushing yards in the first half.

They instead chose to work on their passing game.

With their OTs they didnt get much work done.

vancejohnson82
08-20-2011, 11:50 PM
From what I saw, if the Bills had bothered to keep running it they probably could have had at least 100 rushing yards in the first half.

They instead chose to work on their passing game.

With their OTs they didnt get much work done.

Bob, you and I have had very few discussions. But....I would be much more worried about your team than mine.

If you think Bowe is replacating his year from last year...you're wrong.

If you think Charles will....you're wrong.

Cassel will though...he will be as average as a Dominican hooker who refuses to jerk you off after a lap dance

so

StugotsIII
08-20-2011, 11:51 PM
I'm about to go mother ****ing HAM all over this mother ****ing joint.

vancejohnson82
08-20-2011, 11:54 PM
I'm about to go mother ****ing HAM all over this mother ****ing joint.

I ****in love this attitude.....

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who wants to get tickets to teh AFC Championship away from home? (I'm not totally delusional)

StugotsIII
08-20-2011, 11:55 PM
1) The defense is going to be MUCH better than we BRONCOS fans have seen in a long time. Pressure on the QB????? I had no idea what that was like to watch. Granted, it was the Bills, who struggle up front, but wow. Great to see. It frees up DJ and lets our safeties and corners play on their toes instead of on the back of their heels.

2) the addition of Willis is going to help a lot if he can stay off the weed and take up 10 carries a game. The reason he is open on the edges on those screens is because when Moreno goes the D expects power. I really like the 1/2 of Moreno and WMcG. Moreno will have a career year this year.

3) The QB controversy is done. Over.....FINITO. GET OVER IT

4) Von Miller is going to win RDPOTY (i think I might have added too many letters). Kids a beast. Im a fan and a jersey orderer (another word)

5) We are making the playoffs and winning the AFC West. Perfect combo of veterans and youth talent. Goddamnit, if Bey Bey was healthy we would get a lot more props.

6) Tebow needs to be put into packages. I feel like the entire rule about 3 QBs on the gameday roster was MADE for us. We can really **** with some teams inside the twenty and even during normal game situations.

7) The media is now very anti-Tebow. Have you seen the highlights they show. Let's not let the "East Coast" nerds ruin him. At the end of the season we have 3 options.

Hate on haters



I agree with you…

This team is going to be much better than people give them credit for. The QB situation, which most fans are bitching about seems to be a strength. And I do see Tebow used inside the 5-10 yard line a lot.

The running game is going to produce like nothing we have seen in a while in Denver.

The defense, though not amazing looks nasty at times…

Optimism? I think so.

Spider
08-21-2011, 12:00 AM
1) The defense is going to be MUCH better than we BRONCOS fans have seen in a long time. Pressure on the QB????? I had no idea what that was like to watch. Granted, it was the Bills, who struggle up front, but wow. Great to see. It frees up DJ and lets our safeties and corners play on their toes instead of on the back of their heels.

2) the addition of Willis is going to help a lot if he can stay off the weed and take up 10 carries a game. The reason he is open on the edges on those screens is because when Moreno goes the D expects power. I really like the 1/2 of Moreno and WMcG. Moreno will have a career year this year.

3) The QB controversy is done. Over.....FINITO. GET OVER IT

4) Von Miller is going to win RDPOTY (i think I might have added too many letters). Kids a beast. Im a fan and a jersey orderer (another word)

5) We are making the playoffs and winning the AFC West. Perfect combo of veterans and youth talent. Goddamnit, if Bey Bey was healthy we would get a lot more props.

6) Tebow needs to be put into packages. I feel like the entire rule about 3 QBs on the gameday roster was MADE for us. We can really **** with some teams inside the twenty and even during normal game situations.

7) The media is now very anti-Tebow. Have you seen the highlights they show. Let's not let the "East Coast" nerds ruin him. At the end of the season we have 3 options.

Hate on haters
agreed , doesnt matter who we played or when , Von Miller and Doom was lighting it up with speed , those guys were blasting off the line ....doom stays healthy all year , we got one hellva defense ......

vancejohnson82
08-21-2011, 12:00 AM
I agree with you…

This team is going to be much better than people give them credit for. The QB situation, which most fans are b****ing about seems to be a strength. And I do see Tebow used inside the 5-10 yard line a lot.

The running game is going to produce like nothing we have seen in a while in Denver.

The defense, though not amazing looks nasty at times…

Optimism? I think so.

the crazy thing is, I hear a lot more optimism from casual fans about our team than I read here

once the QB thing is put to rest (which I think tonight it was, although I still really like Tebow) this fan base and team will be seen in a different light

KCStud
08-21-2011, 12:29 AM
1) The defense is going to be MUCH better than we BRONCOS fans have seen in a long time. Pressure on the QB????? I had no idea what that was like to watch. Granted, it was the Bills, who struggle up front, but wow. Great to see. It frees up DJ and lets our safeties and corners play on their toes instead of on the back of their heels.

2) the addition of Willis is going to help a lot if he can stay off the weed and take up 10 carries a game. The reason he is open on the edges on those screens is because when Moreno goes the D expects power. I really like the 1/2 of Moreno and WMcG. Moreno will have a career year this year.

3) The QB controversy is done. Over.....FINITO. GET OVER IT

4) Von Miller is going to win RDPOTY (i think I might have added too many letters). Kids a beast. Im a fan and a jersey orderer (another word)

5) We are making the playoffs and winning the AFC West. Perfect combo of veterans and youth talent. Goddamnit, if Bey Bey was healthy we would get a lot more props.

6) Tebow needs to be put into packages. I feel like the entire rule about 3 QBs on the gameday roster was MADE for us. We can really **** with some teams inside the twenty and even during normal game situations.

7) The media is now very anti-Tebow. Have you seen the highlights they show. Let's not let the "East Coast" nerds ruin him. At the end of the season we have 3 options.

Hate on haters

Though I do hate it that Miller and Moore are Broncos, they will do really well for you guys.
I don't see the Broncos improving so quickly in year one when your new coach didn't get to run a practice until training camp because of the lockout.
I think the Broncos DL and OL (outside of Clady) is very suspect.

vancejohnson82
08-21-2011, 12:36 AM
Though I do hate it that Miller and Moore are Broncos, they will do really well for you guys.
I don't see the Broncos improving so quickly in year one when your new coach didn't get to run a practice until training camp because of the lockout.
I think the Broncos DL and OL (outside of Clady) is very suspect.


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my Von Miller song...."BOSS"

vancejohnson82
08-21-2011, 12:50 AM
btw....McGahee gives the ball to this kid after his TD

and he SMILES HIS ASS OFF

can someone make it a .GIF i feel like it would be a great addition

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Archer81
08-21-2011, 01:53 AM
1) The defense is going to be MUCH better than we BRONCOS fans have seen in a long time. Pressure on the QB????? I had no idea what that was like to watch. Granted, it was the Bills, who struggle up front, but wow. Great to see. It frees up DJ and lets our safeties and corners play on their toes instead of on the back of their heels.

2) the addition of Willis is going to help a lot if he can stay off the weed and take up 10 carries a game. The reason he is open on the edges on those screens is because when Moreno goes the D expects power. I really like the 1/2 of Moreno and WMcG. Moreno will have a career year this year.

3) The QB controversy is done. Over.....FINITO. GET OVER IT

4) Von Miller is going to win RDPOTY (i think I might have added too many letters). Kids a beast. Im a fan and a jersey orderer (another word)

5) We are making the playoffs and winning the AFC West. Perfect combo of veterans and youth talent. Goddamnit, if Bey Bey was healthy we would get a lot more props.

6) Tebow needs to be put into packages. I feel like the entire rule about 3 QBs on the gameday roster was MADE for us. We can really **** with some teams inside the twenty and even during normal game situations.

7) The media is now very anti-Tebow. Have you seen the highlights they show. Let's not let the "East Coast" nerds ruin him. At the end of the season we have 3 options.

Hate on haters


No it isnt. Just wait.


:Broncos:

Archer81
08-21-2011, 02:00 AM
I am actually not worried about our starters on defense. Granted it's preseason and things are so bland offensively and defensively that its hard to make an accurate judgement, but it appears the defense has an attitude about it I have not seen in 6 years. Its a nice change.

The offensive line seems to be coming along nicely. Especially the right side. Kuper and Franklin are going to be huge together if they stay healthy. Even Moreno seems faster and does not get brought down by fingertip tackles.

Its nice to see.

:Broncos:

Shananahan
08-21-2011, 02:01 AM
btw....McGahee gives the ball to this kid after his TD

and he SMILES HIS ASS OFF

can someone make it a .GIF i feel like it would be a great addition
If I get around to downloading the game later the only .gif I'm interested in making is a five second shot of a little dancing girl staring straight into the camera. There were a billion shots of kids dancing during the game, I know, but this one was the only one worth watching over and over again.

Shananahan
08-21-2011, 02:08 AM
The QB situation, which most fans are b****ing about seems to be a strength. And I do see Tebow used inside the 5-10 yard line a lot.
Ever since it became blatantly obvious we weren't trading Orton I've maintained that if Tebow couldn't win the starting role, I'd be perfectly fine with him wherever on the depth chart as long as they continued to utilize him around the redzone and short yardage situations.

Maybe I'm overreacting to everybody else freaking out and aborting their children over the QB controversy, but I'm starting to think that maybe the team won't be putting Tebow into the game like they did last year simply because the fanbase couldn't handle it.

DBroncos4life
08-21-2011, 02:24 AM
Not having McD as the HC should be good for 5 extra wins right there.

spdirty
08-21-2011, 06:15 AM
8). We have a MUCH better head coach this year

strafen
08-21-2011, 06:47 AM
Orton is Orton. You can remove the stripes from a tiger, but it's still a tiger.

Mogulseeker
08-21-2011, 08:00 AM
I like the optimism, and I share it. I predicted a 7-9 season, but I'm cautiously more optimistic now after two preseason games.

Especially when our first team defense has played almost a full game and allowed exactly 6 points.

Agamemnon
08-21-2011, 08:06 AM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_AIyYZZwhGsk/SYM7_euMAlI/AAAAAAAAA1U/FUDsBYzT85U/s1600/Delusion.jpg

vancejohnson82
08-21-2011, 08:09 AM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_AIyYZZwhGsk/SYM7_euMAlI/AAAAAAAAA1U/FUDsBYzT85U/s1600/Delusion.jpg

don't worry, you can enjoy football again in two years when Tebow gets his shot....until then you can keep whining and complaining

wah, wah

Mogulseeker
08-21-2011, 08:10 AM
I am almost willing to guarantee a 9-7 or 10-6 season. I think Fox is really licking his chops right now saying, "wow, this team isn't as bad as I thought they were going to be"



I need to find the article, but he basically said just that to either 9news or the Denver Post after the first couple practices.

Dedhed
08-21-2011, 08:11 AM
Orton is Orton. You can remove the stripes from a tiger, but it's still a tiger.

I find comparing Orton to a tiger a little laughable. I would have zone with, you can remove the stripes from a zebra, but he still won't score in the red zone... err..something like that.

Mogulseeker
08-21-2011, 08:14 AM
Don't get me wrong. I'm not judging this off of one game.

I'm judging it off of a few things.

a) Our staff wouldnt have held onto Orton if they didnt think we had ANY chance to win. They saw something and decided "you know what, this isn't a bad team. We might be able to win some games"

b) Great picks. We have guys that can fill in immediately. The addition of guys like Miller and Moore who get to play with DJ and Champ is unbelievable.

c) The wheels fell off last year due to a perfect storm of awfulness (kinda like my grandparents divorce last week) Doom's injury a DAY after he signed the contract. Thats a sign

B - don't forget about Franklin. I zeroed in on him on a few plays yesterday and he is a mauler.

C - it was a perfect storm. But there were a couple of really bad losses too.

vancejohnson82
08-21-2011, 08:14 AM
I need to find the article, but he basically said just that to either 9news or the Denver Post after the first couple practices.

I think that had a lot with us keeping Orton or at least keeping the price high for him. The 3-5 year rebuilding process we all thought it might be could be as short as 2.

jsco70
08-21-2011, 08:15 AM
Love the optimism and I agree 100%. Losing Doom really hurt the D last season so his return alone should equate to a couple of wins. Replacing McD with Fox should also make a tremendous impact. I believe 9-7 is entirely possible regardless of the QB situation.

Agamemnon
08-21-2011, 08:16 AM
don't worry, you can enjoy football again in two years when Tebow gets his shot....until then you can keep whining and complaining

wah, wah

As Orton-lovers like to say, QB is the least of our problems.

We still can't stop the run, and our team has almost no quality depth across the board.

Here's hoping for nothing but seven step drops from our opponents and zero injuries going forward...

vancejohnson82
08-21-2011, 08:16 AM
B - don't forget about Franklin. I zeroed in on him on a few plays yesterday and he is a mauler.

C - it was a perfect storm. But there were a couple of really bad losses too.

No doubt. But I felt like the wheels came off after the Jets game and a few guys packed it in. Plus, McDaniels started to really press as far as the playcalling and whatnot. The team just crumbled

I like Franklin a lot too

vancejohnson82
08-21-2011, 08:18 AM
As Orton-lovers like to say, QB is the least of our problems.

We still can't stop the run, and our team has almost no quality depth across the board.

Here's hoping for nothing but seven step drops from our opponents and zero injuries going forward...

First string defense gave up a run of 14 yards and 20 yards. And 3 points

Dedhed
08-21-2011, 08:21 AM
The team just crumbled

Much like their "leader" at the slightest hint of pressure.

vancejohnson82
08-21-2011, 08:22 AM
Much like their "leader" at the slightest hint of pressure.

And the defense...and special teams...and coaches

aren't there enough threads for you to mope around in. This is a positive thread about some of the progress the team has made. But, hey, whatever makes you happy.

If you hit up YouTube you can watch highlights of the Texans game from last year

Dedhed
08-21-2011, 08:27 AM
And the defense...and special teams...and coaches

aren't there enough threads for you to mope around in. This is a positive thread about some of the progress the team has made. But, hey, whatever makes you happy.

Positive was watching the energy the team played with when Tebow got the chance to start; Defense, Special teams, coaches.

Beantown Bronco
08-21-2011, 08:29 AM
the crazy thing is, I hear a lot more optimism from casual fans about our team than I read here


Probably because the casual fans don't think back to last year when our starters looked awesome in the preseason. Far better than they look this preseason and look where that got them.

vancejohnson82
08-21-2011, 08:30 AM
Positive was watching the energy the team played with when Tebow got the chance to start; Defense, Special teams, coaches.

yea....it was fun to watch him go 1-2. He changed the game of football as we knew it last year. There were two great days in football history...the invention of the forward pass and the day Tebow had that comeback against the Texans

Gort
08-21-2011, 08:30 AM
I feel like the entire rule about 3 QBs on the gameday roster was MADE for us.

actually, the new kickoff rules were made for us. if ever there was a franchise that will benefit from this (on both sides), it's the Broncos of the past several years. this rule alone guarantees we will be better in the battle of field position than we have been for years.

Gort
08-21-2011, 08:33 AM
I am actually not worried about our starters on defense. Granted it's preseason and things are so bland offensively and defensively that its hard to make an accurate judgement, but it appears the defense has an attitude about it I have not seen in 6 years. Its a nice change.

The offensive line seems to be coming along nicely. Especially the right side. Kuper and Franklin are going to be huge together if they stay healthy. Even Moreno seems faster and does not get brought down by fingertip tackles.

Its nice to see.

:Broncos:

i'm still not a fan of Moreno as a RB, but he could be a real weapon if they find a way to use him catching passes out of the backfield 6 or 8 times per game. he seems to excel at that.

Dedhed
08-21-2011, 08:34 AM
yea....it was fun to watch him go 1-2.

Check me if I'm wrong here Sandy, but isn't that a better winning pct than Orton last year?

So again, explain how Orton gives us a better chance to win now by scoring less points and winning a lower pct of starts.

vancejohnson82
08-21-2011, 08:37 AM
Check me if I'm wrong here Sandy, but isn't that a better winning pct than Orton last year?

So again, explain how Orton gives us a better chance to win now by scoring less points and winning a lower pct of starts.

Seriously, there are 112 different threads in which you guys talk about the points thing and how Steve Young said we are witnessing greatness.

You like Tebow.....WE GET IT

so you disagree with one point I made...excellent...stick with the subject which is:

BOSSIN

Gort
08-21-2011, 08:39 AM
I like the optimism, and I share it. I predicted a 7-9 season, but I'm cautiously more optimistic now after two preseason games.

Especially when our first team defense has played almost a full game and allowed exactly 6 points.

against whom are these 7+ victories going to come?

the Broncos schedule is:

home: CIN, DET, NYJ, CHI, NE, OAK, KC, SD
away: @TEN, @GB, @MIA, @MIN, @BUF, @OAK, @KC, @SD

let's say we split the 6 games in our division (which is not going to be easy), who else can we beat? i see CIN and @BUF as 2 games we "should" win and @TEN as a game we "could" win. beyond that, we could be in big trouble. and if we get off to a slow start, things could spiral out of control fast.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/schedule/_/name/den/denver-broncos

Agamemnon
08-21-2011, 08:42 AM
First string defense gave up a run of 14 yards and 20 yards. And 3 points

Against Buffalo. In the preseason.

You are easily impressed aren't you?

vancejohnson82
08-21-2011, 08:42 AM
against whom are these 7+ victories going to come?

the Broncos schedule is:

home: CIN, DET, NYJ, CHI, NE, OAK, KC, SD
away: @TEN, @GB, @MIA, @MIN, @BUF, @OAK, @KC, @SD

let's say we split the 6 games in our division (which is not going to be easy), who else can we beat? i see CIN and @BUF as 2 games we "should" win and @TEN as a game we "could" win. beyond that, we could be in big trouble. and if we get off to a slow start, things could spiral out of control fast.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/schedule/_/name/den/denver-broncos

Chicago at home, the Jets at home (I think they take a big step back this year), Tennessee away and Miami...there's 9

Dedhed
08-21-2011, 08:43 AM
Seriously, there are 112 different threads in which you guys talk about the points thing and how Steve Young said we are witnessing greatness.

You like Tebow.....WE GET IT

so you disagree with one point I made...excellent...stick with the subject which is:

BOSSINSo no answer to the question posed then?

vancejohnson82
08-21-2011, 08:44 AM
Against Buffalo. In the preseason.

You are easily impressed aren't you?

You have a negative response for everything....we could have given up -27 yards and scored 66 points and your response would be the same...but, but, they didnt let Timmy play!!! It's OLD man.

Stick to the original point....lots to look forward to this year

vancejohnson82
08-21-2011, 08:44 AM
So no answer to the question posed then?

I'm not letting this get derailed by the Tebow Taliban

so, no

Agamemnon
08-21-2011, 08:46 AM
You have a negative response for everything....we could have given up -27 yards and scored 66 points and your response would be the same...but, but, they didnt let Timmy play!!! It's OLD man.

Stick to the original point....lots to look forward to this year

Sure there's lots to look forward to. Winning the division and going to the playoffs aren't amongst them.

Seriously can I have whatever you are smoking?

Gort
08-21-2011, 08:47 AM
Chicago at home, the Jets at home (I think they take a big step back this year), Tennessee away and Miami...there's 9

CHI was in the NFCC game last year. NYJ was in the AFCC game last year. the MIA game is in florida (do we ever win games played in florida?). only TEN seems possible to me.

Mogulseeker
08-21-2011, 08:47 AM
against whom are these 7+ victories going to come?

the Broncos schedule is:

home: CIN, DET, NYJ, CHI, NE, OAK, KC, SD
away: @TEN, @GB, @MIA, @MIN, @BUF, @OAK, @KC, @SD

let's say we split the 6 games in our division (which is not going to be easy), who else can we beat? i see CIN and @BUF as 2 games we "should" win and @TEN as a game we "could" win. beyond that, we could be in big trouble. and if we get off to a slow start, things could spiral out of control fast.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/schedule/_/name/den/denver-broncos

I can see us possibly sweeping the division at home... there's 3.... plus Cincy, Detroit and Chitown ..... that's six winnable games.

Away, we can take the Titans, Dolphins, and Bills....

That's 9 winnable games, plus I think we could take Minnesota and Oakland away (that's 11) plus the possibility of an upset or two... we're not going to win all of those, but we can.

vancejohnson82
08-21-2011, 08:47 AM
Sure there's lots to look forward to. Winning the division and going to the playoffs aren't amongst them.

Seriously can I have whatever you are smoking?

SUre....if it will chill you out, I'll mail some out

if that KC team from last year could win the AFC West there is plenty of hope that we could take it this year

Dedhed
08-21-2011, 08:48 AM
so, no

I thought as much. Please continue your unrealistic fantasizing. "YAY, I'm positive. Look at me, I'm positive!"

Steve Sewell
08-21-2011, 08:48 AM
9. It was the BILLS at HOME in the PRESEASON.

Tombstone RJ
08-21-2011, 08:51 AM
1) The defense is going to be MUCH better than we BRONCOS fans have seen in a long time. Pressure on the QB????? I had no idea what that was like to watch. Granted, it was the Bills, who struggle up front, but wow. Great to see. It frees up DJ and lets our safeties and corners play on their toes instead of on the back of their heels.

2) the addition of Willis is going to help a lot if he can stay off the weed and take up 10 carries a game. The reason he is open on the edges on those screens is because when Moreno goes the D expects power. I really like the 1/2 of Moreno and WMcG. Moreno will have a career year this year.

3) The QB controversy is done. Over.....FINITO. GET OVER IT

4) Von Miller is going to win RDPOTY (i think I might have added too many letters). Kids a beast. Im a fan and a jersey orderer (another word)

5) We are making the playoffs and winning the AFC West. Perfect combo of veterans and youth talent. Goddamnit, if Bey Bey was healthy we would get a lot more props.

6) Tebow needs to be put into packages. I feel like the entire rule about 3 QBs on the gameday roster was MADE for us. We can really **** with some teams inside the twenty and even during normal game situations.

7) The media is now very anti-Tebow. Have you seen the highlights they show. Let's not let the "East Coast" nerds ruin him. At the end of the season we have 3 options.

Hate on haters

you do realize this is a preseason game against arguably the worst team in the NFL, right?

Agamemnon
08-21-2011, 08:52 AM
CHI was in the NFCC game last year. NYJ was in the AFCC game last year. the MIA game is in florida (do we ever win games played in florida?). only TEN seems possible to me.

Any given day as they say.

We could beat any of those teams potentially. The problem is that the teams these wishful thinkers are so blithely writing off as easy wins have as good (if not better) a chance to beat us.

We were the second worst team in the league last year. Thinking any game is going to be an easy win is utterly retarded. Then again so is this thread.

Might as well predict us to win the Super Bowl while you're at it vance. Hilarious!

Agamemnon
08-21-2011, 08:54 AM
SUre....if it will chill you out, I'll mail some out

if that KC team from last year could win the AFC West there is plenty of hope that we could take it this year

KC is a more talented team than us and fed off an easy schedule. Our schedule is anything but easy.

vancejohnson82
08-21-2011, 08:55 AM
I thought as much. Please continue your unrealistic fantasizing. "YAY, I'm positive. Look at me, I'm positive!"

Please continue pining for the 3rd string QB to get reps. Hey, at least if we have a horrible season you will be happy because it means we get to watch our rookie project get meaningless reps.

@Argamennon: I'm not predicting anything but a competitive team that can win a bad division.

Gort
08-21-2011, 08:56 AM
I can see us possibly sweeping the division at home... there's 3.... plus Cincy, Detroit and Chitown ..... that's six winnable games.

Away, we can take the Titans, Dolphins, and Bills....

That's 9 winnable games, plus I think we could take Minnesota and Oakland away (that's 11) plus the possibility of an upset or two... we're not going to win all of those, but we can.

i think you're seeing things through rose-colored glasses, but that's ok. that's what the summer before the season is for.

my more sober assessment is that 6 wins is probably our ceiling. i'm expecting 5.

Dedhed
08-21-2011, 08:57 AM
Please continue pining for the 3rd string QB to get reps.


I'm pining for the QB who made the team better.

Agamemnon
08-21-2011, 09:08 AM
Please continue pining for the 3rd string QB to get reps. Hey, at least if we have a horrible season you will be happy because it means we get to watch our rookie project get meaningless reps.

@Argamennon: I'm not predicting anything but a competitive team that can win a bad division.

Dude, this isn't about Tebow. This is about you having delusional expectations based off a preseason game against the likely front-runner in the Luck sweepstakes. This team has currently done nothing to show that they are greatly improved. All that can be more or less counted on is that our pass rush and running game will be somewhat improved. That doesn't turn a 4-12 team into a playoff team generally.

What you are predicting could happen mind you, but it's not based off of anything substantial. It's optimism for the sake of optimism, and nothing more.

vancejohnson82
08-21-2011, 09:10 AM
Dude, this isn't about Tebow. This is about you having delusional expectations based off a preseason game against the likely front-runner in the Luck sweepstakes. This team has currently done nothing to show that they are greatly improved. All that can be more or less counted on is that our pass rush and running game will be somewhat improved. That doesn't turn a 4-12 team into a playoff team generally.

What you are predicting could happen mind you, but it's not based off of anything substantial. It's optimism for the sake of optimism, and nothing more.

Better pass rush
A better complement for Moreno at the goal line
A much healthier O-line
Better coach
Lloyd proving that last year wasn't a fluke

pretty cool stuff going on. I think there's a few substantial reasons for optimism

Agamemnon
08-21-2011, 09:23 AM
Better pass rush Agreed
A better complement for Moreno at the goal line We shall see
A much healthier O-line For now
Better coach Coming off a 2-14 season
Lloyd proving that last year wasn't a fluke Not an improvement

pretty cool stuff going on. I think there's a few substantial reasons for optimism

Oh and of course you are forgetting:

1) Giant question marks at DT
2) Giant question marks at MLB
3) Three rookies starting on the team
4) Poor depth at nearly every position
5) Giant question marks on the o-line (they were terrible inside last season)

Like I said, optimism for the sake of optimism.

HAT
08-21-2011, 10:24 AM
Check me if I'm wrong here Sandy, but isn't that a better winning pct than Orton last year?



They both went 1-2 in their first 3 starts last year. :yayaya:

broncocalijohn
08-21-2011, 11:19 AM
I ****in love this attitude.....

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who wants to get tickets to teh AFC Championship away from home? (I'm not totally delusional)

Vance, you are way delusional. You are putting us like the Rams when they got Warner and went to the SuperBowl. If this teams gets 7 wins and doesn't show blowouts like those that happened in our division, we are better for it. Please go back to the last 5 years of preseason threads of predictions on how this team is going to win 10 games or more. We are now coming off a 4 win season.

Inkana7
08-21-2011, 11:24 AM
pow pow

DENVERDUI55
08-21-2011, 12:17 PM
The run D is still suspect. I expect 6-7 wins and we do play the NFC N and AFC E. Going to be tough to get to 500.

Cito Pelon
08-21-2011, 12:49 PM
Tough crowd, vance. . . . .

KCStud
08-21-2011, 01:57 PM
Vance, explain to the class how the Broncos are gonna BOSS the division when the top 2 running teams in the league are in the division and you can't stop the run.

ZachKC
08-21-2011, 02:02 PM
Bob, you and I have had very few discussions. But....I would be much more worried about your team than mine.

If you think Bowe is replacating his year from last year...you're wrong.

If you think Charles will....you're wrong.

Cassel will though...he will be as average as a Dominican hooker who refuses to jerk you off after a lap dance

so

All your players are magically getting better and all of ours are magically getting worse.

Noted.

Shananahan
08-21-2011, 02:21 PM
CHI was in the NFCC game last year. NYJ was in the AFCC game last year. the MIA game is in florida (do we ever win games played in florida?). only TEN seems possible to me.
Denver's depleted defense and nonexistent running game pretty much defeated the AFCC Jets last year.

I mean I get your point, and 8-8 is still as high as I'll let my hopes get for now, but anything can happen. Denver is a much better team than their record last year indicates.

Br0nc0Buster
08-21-2011, 02:45 PM
Every year there is a team that goes from worst to first
The Chiefs won 10 games last year after winning only 4 the year before.
And they didnt add any big names to their team, just had a solid draft and signed a couple FA linemen

Point is it happens, and it is not really that rare. I dont see how anyone can come to any diffinitive conclusions about how good or bad this team is yet

I mean we all saw how far competent coaching can go when Nolan was our coordinator

I think we can get 7 wins, I think overall we are a much more talented team than a year ago

And one note as far as our defense is concerned, our run defense was not our biggest weakness. It was our lack of a pass rush. That more than anything is what kept drives alive and our defense on the field.

ZachKC
08-21-2011, 02:53 PM
The Chiefs won 10 games last year after winning only 4 the year before.
And they didnt add any big names to their team, just had a solid draft and signed a couple FA linemen



Your view is narrow.

We were in year 3 of a rebuild and coaching system. We went 2 wins...4 wins...10 wins.

You are on year 1 of a coach working with a labor shortened offseason.

RhymesayersDU
08-21-2011, 02:58 PM
All your players are magically getting better and all of ours are magically getting worse.

Noted.

Basically. When people arbitrarily make things up (i.e., the Jets -- "I think they take a big step back this year." Based on what, exactly?) you know that nothing can be said to deter their opinion, as crazy as it is.

In another thread some doofus said that Green Bay "wasn't that good, and just got hot at the right time." It's like we're living on another planet.

Br0nc0Buster
08-21-2011, 03:07 PM
Your view is narrow.

We were in year 3 of a rebuild and coaching system. We went 2 wins...4 wins...10 wins.

You are on year 1 of a coach working with a labor shortened offseason.

Ok use the Dolphins who went 11-5 after a 1-15 season then with a new coaching staff
Or the Saints in Sean Peyon's first year
My point is its not uncommon to see bad teams have 5,6,7 game season improvements

My point with the Chiefs is there was not a lot of elite talent infusion, their best players save one or two were already on the team. People here act like the same players will play the same in different schemes. It is very possible we see jumps in production from several players already on the team due to more experience, better scheme fit, etc...

and honestly a 3 game improvement is not that much considering our most important player(Doom) never played a down

and BTW last year was year 2 with your current regime, not third

yerner
08-21-2011, 03:14 PM
Just watched the game again. You know who I thought looked decent? Derrick Harvey. I get why somebody drafted him in the first.

CEH
08-21-2011, 03:21 PM
Your view is narrow.

We were in year 3 of a rebuild and coaching system . We went 2 wins...4 wins...10 wins.

You are on year 1 of a coach working with a labor shortened offseason.

So KC started the rebuild with Carl and Herm correct? and then continued seamlessly to Pioli and Haley. Was Haley with KC in '08? Also didn't KC think about moving Charles your best offensive player in '09? WHat kind of rebuild is that if you want to trade Charles

I think '11 will prove KC is not an acsending team but an average team that played in an average division in '10

enjolras
08-21-2011, 04:19 PM
So KC started the rebuild with Carl and Herm correct? and then continued seamlessly to Pioli and Haley. Was Haley with KC in '08? Also didn't KC think about moving Charles your best offensive player in '09? WHat kind of rebuild is that if you want to trade Charles

I think '11 will prove KC is not an acsending team but an average team that played in an average division in '10

Yep. The Chiefs don't have that RIDICULOUS schedule they had last year. They beat ONE team over .500 (San Diego), but that same team DESTROYED them later in the year 31-0.

In the land of the mediocre, the Chiefs were king.

Boltjolt
08-21-2011, 04:20 PM
Wow, a preseason win and many are predicting 10 wins which is a possible playoff berth? :~ohyah!:
Always thought this board was smarter than that.

I honestly dont care if we win any preseason games. Only that we look ready in the 3rd one when the starters play into the 3rd quarter. But even if we lose that game...who cares. As long a there isnt any injuries to speak of.

Anyways, ...good luck on your enthusiasm. Seriously, i mean that but preseason is nothing to get excited about. I dont even know what the score was to our first game. Turned it off after the 3rd quarter. Probably do the same tonight.

colonelbeef
08-21-2011, 04:25 PM
7-9

KCStud
08-21-2011, 04:25 PM
Yep. The Chiefs don't have that RIDICULOUS schedule they had last year. They beat ONE team over .500 (San Diego), but that same team DESTROYED them later in the year 31-0.

In the land of the mediocre, the Chiefs were king.

The entire AFC West played with that soft schedule, aside from 2 games. The difference is KC beat the teams they were supposed to beat and the rest of the division didn't. So if you guys are saying KC benefited from an easy schedule last year, what does that make the rest of the division who lost to the Bengals, Seahawks, Cardinals, Jaguars, Titans and Rams?

TonyR
08-21-2011, 04:36 PM
...and honestly a 3 game improvement is not that much considering our most important player(Doom) never played a down...


Not to mention Clady coming back from an injury, starting 2 rookies on the OL most of the year, Kuper not being healthy, etc. Our OL could possibly improve greatly this year which would make both the QB and running game better and take some pressure off of an improved D.

Rock Chalk
08-21-2011, 04:51 PM
against whom are these 7+ victories going to come?

the Broncos schedule is:

home: CIN, DET, NYJ, CHI, NE, OAK, KC, SD
away: @TEN, @GB, @MIA, @MIN, @BUF, @OAK, @KC, @SD

let's say we split the 6 games in our division (which is not going to be easy), who else can we beat? i see CIN and @BUF as 2 games we "should" win and @TEN as a game we "could" win. beyond that, we could be in big trouble. and if we get off to a slow start, things could spiral out of control fast.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/schedule/_/name/den/denver-broncos

12 wins right there, all games we CAN win.

Not saying we will, be we can.

Archer81
08-21-2011, 04:57 PM
The entire AFC West played with that soft schedule, aside from 2 games. The difference is KC beat the teams they were supposed to beat and the rest of the division didn't. So if you guys are saying KC benefited from an easy schedule last year, what does that make the rest of the division who lost to the Bengals, Seahawks, Cardinals, Jaguars, Titans and Rams?


2-4 in division for the kaycee chefs. Way to dominate.


:Broncos:

Finger Roll
08-21-2011, 04:59 PM
Love the Pass D and Prater. Not crazy about the Offense and run D

I say 6-10

yerner
08-21-2011, 05:02 PM
Love the Pass D and Prater. Not crazy about the Offense and run D

I say 6-10

Run d is going to get better when they know each other I think. I really like the Fox letting DJ get his tip wet in this ****. Finally someone that knows what the **** they are doing with him.

Boltjolt
08-21-2011, 05:11 PM
12 wins right there, all games we CAN win.

Not saying we will, be we can.

Keep dreaming. Beat us twice? Sure...I say Detroit, Tennessee and Chicago both beat you.

Bob's your Information Minister
08-21-2011, 05:12 PM
shout out to Chiefsplanet....trolollololol

TheReverend
08-21-2011, 05:24 PM
The Bills starting OTs:

Erik Pears and Demetrius Bell

broncswin
08-21-2011, 05:34 PM
Keep dreaming. Beat us twice? Sure...I say Detroit, Tennessee and Chicago both beat you.

by both, do you mean three...I know sometimes you dolt fans get confused when talking football, so I was just wondering.:pimp:

vonqkilla
08-21-2011, 05:35 PM
The Bills starting OTs:

Erik Pears and Demetrius Bell
Ill bet you $20 doommiller combine for 25 sacks barring injury.

Broncobiv
08-21-2011, 05:44 PM
Ill bet you $20 doommiller combine for 25 sacks barring injury.

You mean VonDoom?

TheReverend
08-21-2011, 05:55 PM
Ill bet you $20 doommiller combine for 25 sacks barring injury.

I don't bet against Broncos, especially for things I hope happen, sorry.

DENVERDUI55
08-21-2011, 07:54 PM
So if you guys are saying KC benefited from an easy schedule last year, what does that make the rest of the division who lost to the Bengals, Seahawks, Cardinals, Jaguars, Titans and Rams?

Ok when I didn't think you could be any dumber you one up me. I guess I don't expect much from Missouri public education system so let me explain it. We all have been telling you that KC isn't as good as you think because AFCW sucks and you had a very easy schedule. So to answer your question that supports what we have been telling you the rest of the division outside of SD sucks and your pathetic team went 2-4 against them. They were paper tigers and didn't beat one good team.

KCStud
08-21-2011, 08:27 PM
2-4 in division for the kaycee chefs. Way to dominate.


:Broncos:

Sorry you can't beat struggling teams. Setting the bar high at mile high I see.

~Crash~
08-21-2011, 08:31 PM
pow pow

LOL you forgot spert spertHa!

OBF1
08-21-2011, 10:09 PM
First, I hope they do not do an unannounced drug test at work tomorrow... I would fail from the contact high Vance is smoking around here today.

Totally new system, pretty much new everything, This team going 6-10 would be a vast improvement over last years turd.

Tebow will be Broncos MVP

vancejohnson82
08-21-2011, 10:13 PM
First, I hope they do not do an unannounced drug test at work tomorrow... I would fail from the contact high Vance is smoking around here today.

Totally new system, pretty much new everything, This team going 6-10 would be a vast improvement over last years turd.

Tebow will be Broncos MVP

I can't wait for the day we clinch up this AFC West title this year and I get to bump this thread up and fart on the haters' face. We are BOSSIN this year

vancejohnson82
08-21-2011, 10:16 PM
First, I hope they do not do an unannounced drug test at work tomorrow... I would fail from the contact high Vance is smoking around here today.

Totally new system, pretty much new everything, This team going 6-10 would be a vast improvement over last years turd.

Tebow will be Broncos MVP

and really???? a neg rep for this thread?

I'll be back after I cry for 6-8 seconds in my study

enjolras
08-21-2011, 10:41 PM
The entire AFC West played with that soft schedule, aside from 2 games. The difference is KC beat the teams they were supposed to beat and the rest of the division didn't. So if you guys are saying KC benefited from an easy schedule last year, what does that make the rest of the division who lost to the Bengals, Seahawks, Cardinals, Jaguars, Titans and Rams?

The division was an absolute mess last year. There is a reason Denver had strength of schedule tie-breakers over almost the whole league. We sucked, the Raiders were marginally better, and San Diego was disappointing at best.

It's causing the folks in K.C. to wildly overrate their team.

400HZ
08-21-2011, 10:50 PM
Good old fashioned preseason **** talking. I love it.

San Diego is going to allow fewer than 6 blocked punts and 11 return touchdowns this year and handily win the division. They showed a stat during one of our preseason games that our opponents average punt return yardage was like 11.9 yards or something - the worst in NFL history. All that ridiculousness is behind us now and teams don't even have to cover kickoffs anymore.

The Chargers still have the only elite quarterback in the division, and this year he won't be trying to make no name receivers look like they belong. That's good for 10 wins right there, and Denver ain't matching that. Throw in some great young talent on D this year and solid depth almost all around... San Diego will be clinching the West around week 15. Sorry fellas.

vancejohnson82
08-21-2011, 10:54 PM
Good old fashioned preseason **** talking. I love it.

San Diego is going to allow fewer than 6 blocked punts and 11 return touchdowns this year and handily win the division. They showed a stat during one of our preseason games that our opponents average punt return yardage was like 11.9 yards or something - the worst in NFL history. All that ridiculousness is behind us now and teams don't even have to cover kickoffs anymore.

The Chargers still have the only elite quarterback in the division, and this year he won't be trying to make no name receivers look like they belong. That's good for 10 wins right there, and Denver ain't matching that. Throw in some great young talent on D this year and solid depth almost all around... San Diego will be clinching the West around week 15. Sorry fellas.

wow? around Week 15? way to really stomp on our throats

I'm coming right out and saying that the Chargers are the 3rd best team in this division

OBF1
08-21-2011, 10:55 PM
and really???? a neg rep for this thread?

I'll be back after I cry for 6-8 seconds in my study

No...the negative rep is for your childish responses to those that offer their opinions on the thread from you.

vancejohnson82
08-21-2011, 11:00 PM
No...the negative rep is for your childish responses to those that offer their opinions on the thread from you.

my childish response was just a quick retort to try and stop the thread from derailing. Sorry if I offended you

you can keep on hating while VonDoom and Co. BOSS the AFC West this year

Boltjolt
08-21-2011, 11:02 PM
Good old fashioned preseason **** talking. I love it.

San Diego is going to allow fewer than 6 blocked punts and 11 return touchdowns this year and handily win the division. They showed a stat during one of our preseason games that our opponents average punt return yardage was like 11.9 yards or something - the worst in NFL history. All that ridiculousness is behind us now and teams don't even have to cover kickoffs anymore.

The Chargers still have the only elite quarterback in the division, and this year he won't be trying to make no name receivers look like they belong. That's good for 10 wins right there, and Denver ain't matching that. Throw in some great young talent on D this year and solid depth almost all around... San Diego will be clinching the West around week 15. Sorry fellas.

Week 15? Im thinking week 12.

Boltjolt
08-21-2011, 11:06 PM
wow? around Week 15? way to really stomp on our throats

I'm coming right out and saying that the Chargers are the 3rd best team in this division

LOL...you Sir will be having plenty of Crow. I am not going to judge by preseason because you just cant. Preseason is just that...preseason and doesnt mean a whole lot but KC and Oakland dont look like they even want to play THOSE games. If we play average ST's last year, we win the division by two games. But, it didnt happen so here we are having this conversation.

vancejohnson82
08-21-2011, 11:08 PM
LOL...you Sir will be having plenty of Crow. I am not going to judge by preseason because you just cant. Preseason is just that...preseason and doesnt mean a whole lot but KC and Oakland dont look like they even want to play THOSE games. If we play average ST's last year, we win the division by two games. But, it didnt happen so here we are having this conversation.

If Dumervil doesnt get injured, Clady is at 100%, we win the Jets game and the locker room doesnt self destruct we win the division

I REALLY like this game

400HZ
08-21-2011, 11:10 PM
wow? around Week 15? way to really stomp on our throats

I'm coming right out and saying that the Chargers are the 3rd best team in this division

Oakland and KC must be your top two then. Neither of them is coming into the season with a virtually intact roster from a 4-12 team. But hey, 4 wins is twice as many as your head coach managed last year with his old team so maybe it will work out. ROFL!

vancejohnson82
08-21-2011, 11:15 PM
Oakland and KC must be your top two then. Neither of them is coming into the season with a virtually intact roster from a 4-12 team. But hey, 4 wins is twice as many as your head coach managed last year with his old team so maybe it will work out. ROFL!

1. Denver
2. Oakland
3. San Diego
4. K.C.

I stand by it....but I can understand how you might be a little disappointed in the ranking system

and I'm not judging it off of two pre-season games, guys. This team is going to surprise a lot of people this year. BOSS

Shananahan
08-21-2011, 11:16 PM
San Diego will be clinching the West around week 15. Sorry fellas.
Week 15? Im thinking week 12.
I think both of you are underestimating the effect that Bob Sanders' death will have on your team. Better hope he finally shatters into a million pieces on his way to practice or something instead of on the field in front of everybody.

KCStud
08-21-2011, 11:48 PM
The Chargers should send a personal letter straight to Goodell thanking him for the new kickoff rule because it's going to hide the ST's problem's they had last season.

The Chargers have a strong team, but they have their weaknesses too. Their OL is overrated by all acounts, especially on the right side. The running game is suspect because Mathews was anything but what AJ thought he'd be. The pass rush outside of Phillips doesn't scare anyone either. Eric Weddle is vastly overrated and Bob Sanders is the Brodie Croyle of your team. I can't believe made Weddle the highest paid safety in the league. He's not even a top 5 safety. He's not even the best safety in the division!

The Chargers will be favored to win the division, but I can see the Raiders and Chiefs beating them again this season.

KCStud
08-21-2011, 11:49 PM
The division was an absolute mess last year. There is a reason Denver had strength of schedule tie-breakers over almost the whole league. We sucked, the Raiders were marginally better, and San Diego was disappointing at best.

It's causing the folks in K.C. to wildly overrate their team.

Not quite. Just Bob. The AFC West has been a joke since the Faiders got stomped in the SB. It's kinda sad really.

vancejohnson82
08-21-2011, 11:49 PM
The Chargers should send a personal letter straight to Goodell thanking him for the new kickoff rule because it's going to hide the ST's problem's they had last season.

The Chargers have a strong team, but they have their weaknesses too. Their OL is overrated by all acounts, especially on the right side. The running game is suspect because Mathews was anything but what AJ thought he'd be. The pass rush outside of Phillips doesn't scare anyone either. Eric Weddle is vastly overrated and Bob Sanders is the Brodie Croyle of your team.

The Chargers will be favored to win the division, but I can see the Raiders and Chiefs or Broncos beating them again this season.

fixed it

vancejohnson82
08-21-2011, 11:51 PM
Not quite. Just Bob. The AFC West has been a joke since the Faiders got stomped in the SB. It's kinda sad really.

haha....one team made the AFC Championship

Boltjolt
08-21-2011, 11:59 PM
The Chargers should send a personal letter straight to Goodell thanking him for the new kickoff rule because it's going to hide the ST's problem's they had last season.

The Chargers have a strong team, but they have their weaknesses too. Their OL is overrated by all acounts, especially on the right side. The running game is suspect because Mathews was anything but what AJ thought he'd be. The pass rush outside of Phillips doesn't scare anyone either. Eric Weddle is vastly overrated and Bob Sanders is the Brodie Croyle of your team. I can't believe made Weddle the highest paid safety in the league. He's not even a top 5 safety. He's not even the best safety in the division!

The Chargers will be favored to win the division, but I can see the Raiders and Chiefs beating them again this season.

Cmon bro, step into 2011. Everything your talking about was last year. Mathews will be better and we fired our STs coach. We were also second in the NFL in sacks returning the same players minus Burnett and adding Spikes.

Do some homework. And if Sanders can stay healthy... And he says he is finally fully healed.... Your going to just hate that guy.

vancejohnson82
08-22-2011, 12:07 AM
Cmon bro, step into 2011. Everything your talking about was last year. Mathews will be better and we fired our STs coach. We were also second in the NFL in sacks returning the same players minus Burnett and adding Spikes.

Do some homework. And if Sanders can stay healthy... And he says he is finally fully healed.... Your going to just hate that guy.

yeah, Matthews will be better...which really isnt difficult

you keep talking about the STs as this is going to be some revolutionary change on your team and cover up the fact taht you guys have been losing more talent than you bring in EVERY year during the past 3 seasons

KCStud
08-22-2011, 12:44 AM
Cmon bro, step into 2011. Everything your talking about was last year. Mathews will be better and we fired our STs coach. We were also second in the NFL in sacks returning the same players minus Burnett and adding Spikes.

Do some homework. And if Sanders can stay healthy... And he says he is finally fully healed.... Your going to just hate that guy.

Mathews will be better, but Burnett had 6 sacks (2nd on the team) and now he's gone. Sanders is a HUGE if. He hasn't been healthy in years so I wouldn't count on it until he proves it.
The Chargers have been living off of Marty for years and it's finally catching up to them. Outside of Weddle (who is overrated) and Cason, what draft picks in the post Marty era have been above average? None.
Your 2 best players are entering their early 30's. Gates is 31 and Rivers will be 30 before the end of the season. These guys only have like 5 more years before they start declining.
The Chiefs are catching up and it showed last year. They finally have a GM who can bring in talent every year through the draft. The Broncos appear to be the same way and could take you down in the next few years if this first draft is any evidence.
All of the rest of the West is ascending and the Chargers are slowly descending from what they used to be. You guys didn't have Vincent Jackson last year and look at what happened? You guys have a few outstanding players and the rest are average. Norv is bringing that team down more and more every year.

Shananahan
08-22-2011, 01:24 AM
You guys didn't have Vincent Jackson last year and look at what happened?
.....they passed for about ten more yards per game than the year before?

San Diego had the #1 total offense, #1 passing offense, #1 total defense, #1 passing defense and #4 rushing defense. Nobody else in the division was top five in any of those categories, and the Chiefs #1 running game is the only thing that's almost close. I doubt very much they'll finish that high in all those areas again this season, but going off some of the posts in this thread you'd think the Chargers would be lucky to win eight or nine games.

Agamemnon
08-22-2011, 01:58 AM
.....they passed for about ten more yards per game than the year before?

San Diego had the #1 total offense, #1 passing offense, #1 total defense, #1 passing defense and #4 rushing defense. Nobody else in the division was top five in any of those categories, and the Chiefs #1 running game is the only thing that's almost close. I doubt very much they'll finish that high in all those areas again this season, but going off some of the posts in this thread you'd think the Chargers would be lucky to win eight or nine games.

The Chargers are the Orton of NFL teams. Nice stats that mean nothing...

bigbucks24
08-22-2011, 02:06 AM
12 wins right there, all games we CAN win.

Not saying we will, be we can.

I'm not sure I understand this "can" thing. You "can" win all of your games. Every team "can" will all of their games. If it was impossible to win the games, they wouldn't play them. However, the odds of you winning all of the games you are saying you "can", are extremely remote. How many do you honestly think they "will" win?

I like optimism as well as the next guy. I'm definitely a glass half full guy. But I'm also a realistic guy. I think the Bronco's are closer to 6-10 than they are 12-4. So how many games do you think the Bronco's "will" win?

ZachKC
08-22-2011, 04:45 AM
Now that I have read more of the thread I have come to learn that all of the Charger players and Bronco players are going to only get better and the Chiefs are only going to get worse.

Who cares about all those young ascending players we have...jumping from rookie seasons to 2nd seasons...and even better from 2nd seasons to 3rd seasons.

Best running game in the league...returning the AFC leader in sacks.

Oh wellz.

mhgaffney
08-22-2011, 05:01 AM
The Chargers are the biggest and baddest underachievers in league history.

They are in a class all their own -- in this respect.

TheReverend
08-22-2011, 05:03 AM
.....they passed for about ten more yards per game than the year before?

San Diego had the #1 total offense, #1 passing offense, #1 total defense, #1 passing defense and #4 rushing defense. Nobody else in the division was top five in any of those categories, and the Chiefs #1 running game is the only thing that's almost close. I doubt very much they'll finish that high in all those areas again this season, but going off some of the posts in this thread you'd think the Chargers would be lucky to win eight or nine games.

Unfortunately, Garay looks much better than I thought he'd be and Liuget already looks like a polished vet. Castillo's already one of the better 34 DEs so our line needs to get it's **** together and FAST.

They look dynamite up front.

Rulon Velvet Jones
08-22-2011, 06:52 AM
KCStud making sense. There's just something in the Norv/Chargers DNA that won't allow them to reach their full potential. Last night, we saw the "All-Potential, All-Talent" squads face off between the Chargers and Cowboys.

HILife
08-22-2011, 07:17 AM
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400HZ
08-22-2011, 07:24 AM
The Chiefs are catching up and it showed last year. They finally have a GM who can bring in talent every year through the draft.

I've been hearing good things about Baldwin. :rofl:

DENVERDUI55
08-22-2011, 07:26 AM
The Chargers should send a personal letter straight to Goodell thanking him for the new kickoff rule because it's going to hide the ST's problem's they had last season.

The Chargers have a strong team, but they have their weaknesses too. Their OL is overrated by all acounts, especially on the right side. The running game is suspect because Mathews was anything but what AJ thought he'd be. The pass rush outside of Phillips doesn't scare anyone either. Eric Weddle is vastly overrated and Bob Sanders is the Brodie Croyle of your team. I can't believe made Weddle the highest paid safety in the league. He's not even a top 5 safety. He's not even the best safety in the division!

The Chargers will be favored to win the division, but I can see the Raiders and Chiefs beating them again this season.

Even with all that the charges will don division easily.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-22-2011, 07:33 AM
Even with all that the charges will don division easily.

English, mother****er, do you speak it?

400HZ
08-22-2011, 07:37 AM
Unfortunately, Garay looks much better than I thought he'd be and Liuget already looks like a polished vet. Castillo's already one of the better 34 DEs so our line needs to get it's **** together and FAST.

They look dynamite up front.

Castillo is actually a turd, but you're right about Liuget. DT's usually need a few seasons to develop some old man strength, but he's ready to contribute right now. Also Vaughn Martin of Western Ontario game has been SUPER nasty so far and is going to make an impact this year. Garay is a beast, and he's going to have more success playing a Greg Manusky style than he did with Rivera. Legit young talent and depth.

400HZ
08-22-2011, 07:45 AM
haha....one team made the AFC Championship

2005 and 2007.. when the Chargers rolled in with an odd number of knee ligaments and toes.

vancejohnson82
08-22-2011, 08:07 AM
2005 and 2007.. when the Chargers rolled in with an odd number of knee ligaments and toes.

Exactly...I was responding to someone who said the AFC West hasnt done anything since the Raiders reached the Super Bowl. Kinda silly

Boltjolt
08-22-2011, 08:07 AM
Mathews will be better, but Burnett had 6 sacks (2nd on the team) and now he's gone. Sanders is a HUGE if. He hasn't been healthy in years so I wouldn't count on it until he proves it.
The Chargers have been living off of Marty for years and it's finally catching up to them. Outside of Weddle (who is overrated) and Cason, what draft picks in the post Marty era have been above average? None.
Your 2 best players are entering their early 30's. Gates is 31 and Rivers will be 30 before the end of the season. These guys only have like 5 more years before they start declining.
The Chiefs are catching up and it showed last year. They finally have a GM who can bring in talent every year through the draft. The Broncos appear to be the same way and could take you down in the next few years if this first draft is any evidence.
All of the rest of the West is ascending and the Chargers are slowly descending from what they used to be. You guys didn't have Vincent Jackson last year and look at what happened? You guys have a few outstanding players and the rest are average. Norv is bringing that team down more and more every year.

Really? We are losing more talent? Lol,... OK.
You are going. Get to be one diapointed guy this season. Big dreamer with the home team and clueless about the competition.

400HZ
08-22-2011, 08:24 AM
Really? We are losing more talent? Lol,... OK.
You are going. Get to be one diapointed guy this season. Big dreamer with the home team and clueless about the competition.

http://www.awesomemyspacecomments.com/1/girls/546.gif

vancejohnson82
08-22-2011, 08:28 AM
Really? We are losing more talent? Lol,... OK.
You are going. Get to be one diapointed guy this season. Big dreamer with the home team and clueless about the competition.

I would really like you to explain how you think over the last two years you have improved the roster

TheReverend
08-22-2011, 08:30 AM
Castillo is actually a turd, but you're right about Liuget. DT's usually need a few seasons to develop some old man strength, but he's ready to contribute right now. Also Vaughn Martin of Western Ontario game has been SUPER nasty so far and is going to make an impact this year. Garay is a beast, and he's going to have more success playing a Greg Manusky style than he did with Rivera. Legit young talent and depth.

WTF are you watching? Maybe it's just coincidence that he looks amazing every time I see him?

TheReverend
08-22-2011, 08:34 AM
I would really like you to explain how you think over the last two years you have improved the roster

http://menversus.com/images/bertstare.jpg

Last year they barely even had Jackson or Mathews due to holdout and injury. McNeil only played 11 games also.

They also added Bob Sanders and to use your term, straight bossed the first two rounds adding Liuget and Gilchrist (they got Shareece Wright later, too, who I think is gonna be a great addition in 2-3 years).

They were a great team that got even better.

Peoples Champ
08-22-2011, 08:35 AM
if we can beat the chargers i think we will be ok, thats the one team that always gives us trouble. The chiefs and raiders will be no biggy.

CEH
08-22-2011, 08:42 AM
VJ by himself makes SD so so much better with what Rivers likes to do. Mathews last night showed the power and speed just like he demonstrated last year at Mile High. Liguet looked good last night as well. Weddle had 8 teams after him in FA so there must be something to say he's a pretty good player. Not best by highest paid but a very good S. That team knows how to put together 8-9 game win streaks. If that happens at the beginning of the season, they roll through the AFCW.Plus they don't go through 4 LS like last year.

vancejohnson82
08-22-2011, 09:19 AM
http://menversus.com/images/bertstare.jpg

Last year they barely even had Jackson or Mathews due to holdout and injury. McNeil only played 11 games also.

They also added Bob Sanders and to use your term, straight bossed the first two rounds adding Liuget and Gilchrist (they got Shareece Wright later, too, who I think is gonna be a great addition in 2-3 years).

They were a great team that got even better.

You really think they were a great team last year? I mean they straight "boss" us every time we play them it seems like, but I don't think they were world beaters.

They had a nice draft but do you think it makes up for the losses of Sproles (who I NEVER want to see again), Tucker and Strickland? I'd say if anything you can say they are banking on some injury prone/older players and rookies to fill some pretty significant roles

*Edit - I HATE when the Bert thing is used on me

TheReverend
08-22-2011, 09:31 AM
You really think they were a great team last year? I mean they straight "boss" us every time we play them it seems like, but I don't think they were world beaters.

They had a nice draft but do you think it makes up for the losses of Sproles (who I NEVER want to see again), Tucker and Strickland? I'd say if anything you can say they are banking on some injury prone/older players and rookies to fill some pretty significant roles

*Edit - I HATE when the Bert thing is used on me

Yeah...

Being #1 on offense and #1 defense while key players are out is pretty much the definition of "great".

ST kept them down along with some ****ty luck. They're deeper and flat out better this year.

As for Sproles, Tucker and Strickland... Tucker didn't play last year. Strickland wasn't even a role player and Sproles has his uses but is super overrated.

So what "significant roles" do they need to filled that were vacated by back ups and IRed guys that didn't even play?

Garcia Bronco
08-22-2011, 09:33 AM
The Chargers will be good. Anyone saying otherwise is fooling themselves, but I hope they are right.

Rulon Velvet Jones
08-22-2011, 09:39 AM
Is Norv still their HC?

vancejohnson82
08-22-2011, 09:39 AM
The Chargers will be good. Anyone saying otherwise is fooling themselves, but I hope they are right.

they are a 9-7 team this year...just what I think

TheReverend
08-22-2011, 09:48 AM
they are a 9-7 team this year...just what I think

Right. Because of those "key losses" of guys that didn't even play?

Gort
08-22-2011, 09:49 AM
they are a 9-7 team this year...just what I think

why are they 9-7 as opposed to 16-0 or 0-16? if you're just pulling numbers out of your ass without any kind of evidence, then why 9-7 vs. 0-16?

i understand these are predictions, but "i have a hunch" is no different than having zoo animals predict who will win a game.

http://savethetigers62.blogspot.com/2011/02/montgomery-zoo-tiger-predicts-super.html

Boltjolt
08-22-2011, 09:49 AM
they are a 9-7 team this year...just what I think

You also think your team will win 12.

Look, Tucker didn't play last year and was cut. English missed most the year. We got Barnes who we resigned, added Travis Labour, English hopefully steps it up. Darryl Stuckey loomed good last night after missing most of TC last year and was behind. In his second year now. The coaches love Gilchrist. Wright is imo going to be a good one.
Todman will replace Sproles though not right away in that same capacity. VJ is here from the get go, so is McNeill Mathews will be better so will the other WRs with a year under them like Arijtutu who was a rookie. Drafted Vincent Brown and brought back everyone else like Floyd and Washington. Added Spikes and Luiget the rookie is looking solid so far and Cam Thomas is looking better.

I'm not worried about our talent but you should be

vancejohnson82
08-22-2011, 10:03 AM
why are they 9-7 as opposed to 16-0 or 0-16? if you're just pulling numbers out of your ass without any kind of evidence, then why 9-7 vs. 0-16?

i understand these are predictions, but "i have a hunch" is no different than having zoo animals predict who will win a game.

http://savethetigers62.blogspot.com/2011/02/montgomery-zoo-tiger-predicts-super.html

this entire board is full of "hunches", "opinions", "observations" and conjecture.

I dont think Matthews is going to be a great back. Rivers will be Rivers and put up his numbers. Having VJ all year obviously helps them but after that its Floyd and a bunch of rookies? The loss of Sproles hurts their STs and their pass/rush game. I don't like their defense because if you think Spikes and Sanders play full seasons you are smoking better stuff than me

TonyR
08-22-2011, 10:10 AM
...Added Spikes...

I agree that the Chargers are going to be good but you need to stop mentioning Takeo Spikes to bolster your argument. His best years are way behind him. He's going to turn 35 during the season.

Boltjolt
08-22-2011, 10:13 AM
this entire board is full of "hunches", "opinions", "observations" and conjecture.

I dont think Matthews is going to be a great back. Rivers will be Rivers and put up his numbers. Having VJ all year obviously helps them but after that its Floyd and a bunch of rookies? The loss of Sproles hurts their STs and their pass/rush game. I don't like their defense because if you think Spikes and Sanders play full seasons you are smoking better stuff than me

Not really. We will miss his excellent pass blocking skills the most. Crayton returned punts last year and was much more effective than Sproles. Gilchrist also is a return guy so we wont miss anything there imo.

Spikes didnt miss any games last year so dont know what your talking about there. And again...we plugged in guys we picked up after injuries and still were 2nd in the NFL in sacks. I expect that to continue.

Will we be the best defense? Not sating that b ut if we clean up the ST's teams, i like ou8r chances a lot more. Dont forget we smoked KC 31-0 after that forst meeting. That team has talent but it isnt a good as ours and the Broncos just have a ways to go still.

Raiders....eh..Al is just screwing that team up and i love it.

SonOfLe-loLang
08-22-2011, 10:43 AM
The Chargers are going to be just fine. They were the victim of statistical anomoly last year.

Boltjolt
08-22-2011, 10:57 AM
I agree that the Chargers are going to be good but you need to stop mentioning Takeo Spikes to bolster your argument. His best years are way behind him. He's going to turn 35 during the season.

No argument there. But im hoping he has at least one more good season in him. AJ dont usually sign older guys but he did him for some reason. I think it was by new DC Greg Manuskys request but not sure. Like i said, usually the older guys like Jamal Williams.

We also have ILB Donald Butler back who missed all last year of his rookie year and rookie ILB Mouton and we got ILB Steven Cooper back...who i dont believe will be starting this year but he may the first few to start the year . Not sure.

boltaneer
08-22-2011, 11:09 AM
Spikes actually had a great season last year. Age of course is a concern with him but some players can defy it and he seems to be one of them.

The running game is weird. I'm not a big Mathews fan but that TD run last night looked like LT in his prime. I got flashbacks. Dude still seems like a mental midget though. And Norv still doesn't trust him on 3rd downs for pass protection. The Chargers run blocking has much to be desired though and Tolbert still continues to fumble.

400 is right. Castillo is way overrated. I think Vaughn Martin (who has really stepped it up), Liuget and Cam Thomas are all outplaying him right now. Garay and Thomas is a really nice 1-2 punch at NT. Liuget is a huge surprise. I thought it would take him a while to start showing flashes but he's blowing it up out of the gates. He seems to make the front seven significantly better immediately. Even though English still looks like crap and the pass rush outside of Phillips seems weak still, the front seven has me pumped for the first time since Merriman was on his tear here.

Tombstone RJ
08-22-2011, 12:18 PM
Good old fashioned preseason **** talking. I love it.

San Diego is going to allow fewer than 6 blocked punts and 11 return touchdowns this year and handily win the division. They showed a stat during one of our preseason games that our opponents average punt return yardage was like 11.9 yards or something - the worst in NFL history. All that ridiculousness is behind us now and teams don't even have to cover kickoffs anymore.

The Chargers still have the only elite quarterback in the division, and this year he won't be trying to make no name receivers look like they belong. That's good for 10 wins right there, and Denver ain't matching that. Throw in some great young talent on D this year and solid depth almost all around... San Diego will be clinching the West around week 15. Sorry fellas.

yep. SD should win the division walking away. It's arguable that the Broncos have the 2nd best starting QB in the division, but he's still light years behind Rivers...

Gort
08-22-2011, 12:27 PM
yep. SD should win the division walking away. It's arguable that the Broncos have the 2nd best starting QB in the division, but he's still light years behind Rivers...

Rivers is a douche. he's the kind of guy who as a kid would tie M80's to the tail of his neighbor's cat. however, he and SD just match up well against the Broncos. when we give him time to throw and he has decent receivers to throw to, he rips us apart. i hate him... i really do, but we haven't yet proven that we have an answer for the problems he poses to us as a defense.

boltaneer
08-22-2011, 01:17 PM
Rivers is a douche. he's the kind of guy who as a kid would tie M80's to the tail of his neighbor's cat. however, he and SD just match up well against the Broncos. when we give him time to throw and he has decent receivers to throw to, he rips us apart. i hate him... i really do, but we haven't yet proven that we have an answer for the problems he poses to us as a defense.

That's why you hate him. Just stick to that and stop fabricating all the other crap.

DENVERDUI55
08-22-2011, 01:30 PM
time since Merriman was on his ROID RAGE here.

Fixed it for you.

KCStud
08-22-2011, 01:53 PM
Yeah...

Being #1 on offense and #1 defense while key players are out is pretty much the definition of "great".

ST kept them down along with some ****ty luck. They're deeper and flat out better this year.

As for Sproles, Tucker and Strickland... Tucker didn't play last year. Strickland wasn't even a role player and Sproles has his uses but is super overrated.

So what "significant roles" do they need to filled that were vacated by back ups and IRed guys that didn't even play?

They were #1 in defense in yards because every offense they played started their drives around the 40 everytime. They were 10th in points (KC was 11th). People are making them out to be world beaters just like the last 5 years.
They have a great chance to win the division, but they aren't far and away better than the Chiefs and Raiders and that was made clear last season.

vancejohnson82
08-22-2011, 02:04 PM
They were #1 in defense in yards because every offense they played started their drives around the 40 everytime. They were 10th in points (KC was 11th). People are making them out to be world beaters just like the last 5 years.
They have a great chance to win the division, but they aren't far and away better than the Chiefs and Raiders and that was made clear last season.

I agree with this...but I think the Broncos are right in the mix too

but it doesnt change the fact that the AFC West might be the 2nd worst division in football this year

which we will BOSS

Gort
08-22-2011, 02:09 PM
That's why you hate him. Just stick to that and stop fabricating all the other crap.

nope. i hated him when he was at NC State too. of course, he couldn't ever beat the Terps in college, so all MD almuni enjoyed that. he was a whiny, mouthy, arrogant adolescent jerk then, and the only difference between then and now is that he has money now.

Steve Sewell
08-22-2011, 02:18 PM
Von Miller is going to kill Phyllis.

boltaneer
08-22-2011, 03:10 PM
Fixed it for you.

Well, that too. ;)

TheReverend
08-22-2011, 03:13 PM
They were #1 in defense in yards because every offense they played started their drives around the 40 everytime. They were 10th in points (KC was 11th). People are making them out to be world beaters just like the last 5 years.
They have a great chance to win the division, but they aren't far and away better than the Chiefs and Raiders and that was made clear last season.

They're going to rape the Chiefs so hard, YOUR ass will bleed and even Parrish Cox will shudder.

Rulon Velvet Jones
08-22-2011, 03:17 PM
Stephen Cooper to go on IR. His Chargers career is over.
@sdutchargers

DENVERDUI55
08-22-2011, 03:39 PM
They were #1 in defense in yards because every offense they played started their drives around the 40 everytime. They were 10th in points (KC was 11th). People are making them out to be world beaters just like the last 5 years.
They have a great chance to win the division, but they aren't far and away better than the Chiefs and Raiders and that was made clear last season.

They are quite a bit better than every team. Oakland and KC are only slightly better than Denver and san Diego is a lot better.

KCStud
08-22-2011, 03:50 PM
They're going to rape the Chiefs so hard, YOUR ass will bleed and even Parrish Cox will shudder.

Guess that's why they play the games.

Br0nc0Buster
08-22-2011, 03:54 PM
Chargers have double digit wins in odd years
so expect 10-6 or 11-5

followed by a loss in the first round of the playoffs

KCStud
08-22-2011, 04:10 PM
They are quite a bit better than every team. Oakland and KC are only slightly better than Denver and san Diego is a lot better.

Clearly they are a lot better after going 1-3 against the OAK/KC last year. LOL
KC and OAK are considerably better than DEN. KC and DEN always split and one blows out the other all the time no matter how good or bad we both are.

DENVERDUI55
08-22-2011, 04:24 PM
Clearly they are a lot better after going 1-3 against the OAK/KC last year. LOL
KC and OAK are considerably better than DEN. KC and DEN always split and one blows out the other all the time no matter how good or bad we both are.

I love the cherry picked stats. San Diego 3-3 in division. KC 2-4.

KCStud
08-22-2011, 04:29 PM
I love the cherry picked stats. San Diego 3-3 in division. KC 2-4.

And OAK was 6-0. Doesn't help the theory that SD is much better than KC/OAK.

DBroncos4life
08-22-2011, 04:58 PM
And OAK was 6-0. Doesn't help the theory that SD is much better than KC/OAK.

Well they fired that coach so...:)

DENVERDUI55
08-22-2011, 05:32 PM
And OAK was 6-0. Doesn't help the theory that SD is much better than KC/OAK.

It does point to what we all know is that KC was paper tigers and beat garbage teams and got their pants pulled down by good teams.

Boltergeist
08-22-2011, 06:10 PM
I'll just chime in to say that I agree that people are sleeping on Denver who will be MUCH better than people expect. This offense has weapons and Orton at least knows what to do with them. The defense looks improved already and will help this team make some noise. I see way to many people talking about the Broncos as a contender for Luck in next year's draft.

That being said, this Chargers team is also under the radar. This team looks considerably better to me in camp than any year since the Schottenheimer 2006 Chargers. We'll see how it plays out.

vonqkilla
08-22-2011, 06:19 PM
I am almost willing to guarantee a 9-7 or 10-6 season. I think Fox is really licking his chops right now saying, "wow, this team isn't as bad as I thought they were going to be"

the injury bug KILLED us last year and I feel like we may get some luck, although the Warren thing hurt

whatever, I just feel like we are light years ahead of where we were going last year

Everyone should play vs Buffalo before a first date, interview, or presentation.

I am 50/50 on about 4 games in the schedule, feel good about the first three, and vs buff. Who knows.

TheChamp24
08-22-2011, 06:20 PM
I refuse to be optimistic about this team, and that way if things do go well, I'll be so happy as Bob at a gay convention.

That said, its unbelievable to me that Chief fans refuse to see the truth that the Chargers were just really, really unlucky last year while the Chiefs were insanely lucky. #1 offense and defense, 10th in scoring defense, and you don't make the playoffs? Thats poor luck. Chargers have an incredible offense that won't light up this year, and a defense thats solid but is counting on some vets to stay healthy.

KCStud
08-22-2011, 07:27 PM
It does point to what we all know is that KC was paper tigers and beat garbage teams and got their pants pulled down by good teams.

As opposed to the rest of the division getting embarrassed by the bad teams? What does that say?

KCStud
08-22-2011, 07:32 PM
I refuse to be optimistic about this team, and that way if things do go well, I'll be so happy as Bob at a gay convention.

That said, its unbelievable to me that Chief fans refuse to see the truth that the Chargers were just really, really unlucky last year while the Chiefs were insanely lucky. #1 offense and defense, 10th in scoring defense, and you don't make the playoffs? Thats poor luck. Chargers have an incredible offense that won't light up this year, and a defense thats solid but is counting on some vets to stay healthy.

I agree, but they have their weaknesses too. Like I said their OL isn't as good as advertised and facing guys like Seymour, Wimbley, Houston, Hali, Dumerville and Miller isn't going to be easy. This OL doesn't scare me at all.
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They have a good team and they have a very good chance to win the divsion, but don't crown them. They are beatable.

Gort
08-22-2011, 07:35 PM
Von Miller is going to kill Phyllis.

we seriously need to get Von Miller's camaro and smash it up before the SD game and leave it in the Dove Valley parking lot and tell him Phyllis did it. seriously!

Gort
08-22-2011, 07:37 PM
I'll just chime in to say that I agree that people are sleeping on Denver who will be MUCH better than people expect. This offense has weapons and Orton at least knows what to do with them. The defense looks improved already and will help this team make some noise. I see way to many people talking about the Broncos as a contender for Luck in next year's draft.

That being said, this Chargers team is also under the radar. This team looks considerably better to me in camp than any year since the Schottenheimer 2006 Chargers. We'll see how it plays out.

we know how it will play out. the way every Sandy Eggo season plays out... without bringing home the Lombardi.

:)

DENVERDUI55
08-22-2011, 07:55 PM
As opposed to the rest of the division getting embarrassed by the bad teams? What does that say?

You don't comprehend real well. It means whole division is weak including your beloved queefs. San Diego is only good team on the division. The other three aren't very good. Do u understand son? Just because you rode real schedule and got some breaks to get to division title doesn't mean your a good team.

KCStud
08-22-2011, 08:11 PM
You don't comprehend real well. It means whole division is weak including your beloved queefs. San Diego is only good team on the division. The other three aren't very good. Do u understand son? Just because you rode real schedule and got some breaks to get to division title doesn't mean your a good team.

Right it means everything that KC blew out bad teams but it means nothing that the Chargers couldn't beat terrible teams, especially with the division on the line (see Bengals).
The Chargers aren't a good team. They're not even top 5 in the AFC.

TheChamp24
08-22-2011, 09:22 PM
Right it means everything that KC blew out bad teams but it means nothing that the Chargers couldn't beat terrible teams, especially with the division on the line (see Bengals).
The Chargers aren't a good team. They're not even top 5 in the AFC.

They most certainly are top 5 in the AFC IMO.
Patriots, Steelers, Ravens are ahead of them. Then who else if they aren't top 5?
Colts?
Jets?
Texans?

vancejohnson82
08-22-2011, 10:07 PM
we will boss 2 out of those 3 teams this year

BOSS

broncocalijohn
08-22-2011, 10:32 PM
we seriously need to get Von Miller's camaro and smash it up before the SD game and leave it in the Dove Valley parking lot and tell him Phyllis did it. seriously!

Or just get Forrest Whitaker suited up and win one for Ridgemont High.

Rolandftw
08-22-2011, 10:36 PM
Right it means everything that KC blew out bad teams but it means nothing that the Chargers couldn't beat terrible teams, especially with the division on the line (see Bengals).
The Chargers aren't a good team. They're not even top 5 in the AFC.

Chargers have been known to play down to their competition. So, the easy schedule ended up hurting them probably more then a disciplined team like the Chiefs.

The Chiefs have two major concerns based on last year that would concern me considering how tough their schedule is this year.


1. 1-5 Conference Road record
2. A very, very one dimensional passing offense. I dunno if it's as much that they don't have the receivers to be a top offense as it's Cassel seems to only look at Bowe and has no chemistry with any other receiver on the roster.

If either of those is similar this season, they will probably have a top ten pick.

KC was an average team in the AFC that unlike the rest of the division took advantage of playing against the NFC West. Don't think they should be blamed for that, they were the divisional champs and deserved it.

But who are they going to beat to be in the running for the playoffs? Can't see them knock off the Jets or NE on the road, and the rest of their road schedule looks brutal too. Pittsburgh and Green Bay are very difficult home games as well.

That's not to say that the Chiefs don't have some young talent that won't get better, but just because KC made a big improvement doesn't mean they will make another step in that direction. Teams like the Dolphins and Falcons made big jumps in record only to fall back the next season.

And it's A LOT easier to make a jump from a 4-12 record to 7-9 or even 10-6, then it is to make the jump from 10-6 to 13-3.

Boltjolt
08-22-2011, 11:05 PM
They were #1 in defense in yards because every offense they played started their drives around the 40 everytime. They were 10th in points (KC was 11th). People are making them out to be world beaters just like the last 5 years.
They have a great chance to win the division, but they aren't far and away better than the Chiefs and Raiders and that was made clear last season.

Well all i know is we lost the first game to KC because of ST's and the second game we won 31-0. So i do think we are still much better than KC. You keep talking about last year and even showing video from last year to prove your weak points. Last year for KC was a lucky one. I dont think they are as good this year and really werent that good last season. We'll see, but you keep mentioning last year like things will repeat........ if it makes you feel better, great! You'll need it! Both our games against KC will be played before Nov.

Oakland has matched up well with us lately by playing us close and after 11 or so straight loses to us, i guess they wanted to beat us more than we wanted to beat them and did it to us twice last season. I dont expect that to happen again this year.

Broncos are making some better moves since McDaniels was rightfully canned. Never should of been hired as a HC anyways. Still, the Broncos have a ways to go dispite what vancejohnson is trying to sell. Had they traded Orton, they might end up with the first pick in 2012. Good thing nobody offerd that 2nd round pick they asked for ;)
I know many here dont like Orton but really he is much better right now than Tebow and Quinn.

KCStud
08-22-2011, 11:32 PM
They most certainly are top 5 in the AFC IMO.
Patriots, Steelers, Ravens are ahead of them. Then who else if they aren't top 5?
Colts?
Jets?
Texans?

Patriots, Steelers, Ravens, Colts, Jets in that order.

KCStud
08-22-2011, 11:37 PM
Well all i know is we lost the first game to KC because of ST's and the second game we won 31-0. So i do think we are still much better than KC. You keep talking about last year and even showing video from last year to prove your weak points. Last year for KC was a lucky one. I dont think they are as good this year and really werent that good last season. We'll see, but you keep mentioning last year like things will repeat........ if it makes you feel better, great! You'll need it! Both our games against KC will be played before Nov.

Oakland has matched up well with us lately by playing us close and after 11 or so straight loses to us, i guess they wanted to beat us more than we wanted to beat them and did it to us twice last season. I dont expect that to happen again this year.

Broncos are making some better moves since McDaniels was rightfully canned. Never should of been hired as a HC anyways. Still, the Broncos have a ways to go dispite what vancejohnson is trying to sell. Had they traded Orton, they might end up with the first pick in 2012. Good thing nobody offerd that 2nd round pick they asked for ;)
I know many here dont like Orton but really he is much better right now than Tebow and Quinn.

Keep in mind that when you won the 2nd game Brodie Croyle was our starter.

I actually have the Chargers winning the division. I just don't think they are that much better than the rest of the division. When LT, Merroidman and Marty was there, yes you were leaps and bounds better. I don't think SD is a far and away better team and I can see OAK or KC winning the division this year.
I don't get the SB hype either. Every year it's "Chargers have the talent and potential to go deep."
It's not happening. Not in our conference. Not with Brady, Manning, Rapelessberger and Flacco in the conference.

400HZ
08-22-2011, 11:43 PM
Patriots, Steelers, Ravens, Colts, Jets in that order.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010112811/2010/REG12/chargers@colts

400HZ
08-22-2011, 11:45 PM
The Jets have to fall back to earth soon. That Rex Ryan elbows and assholes stuff only works for so long.

Boltjolt
08-23-2011, 12:08 AM
Keep in mind that when you won the 2nd game Brodie Croyle was our starter.

I actually have the Chargers winning the division. I just don't think they are that much better than the rest of the division. When LT, Merroidman and Marty was there, yes you were leaps and bounds better. I don't think SD is a far and away better team and I can see OAK or KC winning the division this year.
I don't get the SB hype either. Every year it's "Chargers have the talent and potential to go deep."
It's not happening. Not in our conference. Not with Brady, Manning, Rapelessberger and Flacco in the conference.

So your excusing your defense? Sorry man, im in no way on the Matt Cassell bandwagon and he sucked big time in that first game. Like i said, our ST's lost that game.

And what has Flacco done? If you want to tell me Rivers has done nothing, then please leave Flacco off the list. Rivers as a player has outplayed Ben, Manning, Brady and Flacco. It is a team game and we have a top 5 elite QB ourselves.
Eli beat Brady in the SB. Well let me clarify...the Giants defense beat Brady, Eli got lucky by having a INT dropped that would of ended the game and then the next play had the luckiest reception in SB history by a scrub WR they cut the next year.

I dont see the Colts as some powerhouse and we have beat them 4 of the last 5 times we have played them so i think we are better. Peyton stunk last year compared to usual and yeah he had WR's out and hurt, but so did Rivers and he set a record completing passes to 17 different recievers and led the league in pass yardage so spare me.

All that said, i agree...we need to win a SB before there are believers so i dont really care what the experts say....good or bad. They do have the talent to go deep, but you have to go all the way and they havent.

KCStud
08-23-2011, 12:12 AM
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010112811/2010/REG12/chargers@colts

Like you guys said, last year is last year. I could bring up either one of the video's of the Raiders beating you down. Does that mean they're better than you this year?

KCStud
08-23-2011, 12:20 AM
So your excusing your defense? Sorry man, im in no way on the Matt Cassell bandwagon and he sucked big time in that first game. Like i said, our ST's lost that game.

And what has Flacco done? If you want to tell me Rivers has done nothing, then please leave Flacco off the list. Rivers as a player has outplayed Ben, Manning, Brady and Flacco. It is a team game and we have a top 5 elite QB ourselves.
Eli beat Brady in the SB. Well let me clarify...the Giants defense beat Brady, Eli got lucky by having a INT dropped that would of ended the game and then the next play had the luckiest reception in SB history by a scrub WR they cut the next year.

I dont see the Colts as some powerhouse and we have beat them 4 of the last 5 times we have played them so i think we are better. Peyton stunk last year compared to usual and yeah he had WR's out and hurt, but so did Rivers and he set a record completing passes to 17 different recievers and led the league in pass yardage so spare me.

All that said, i agree...we need to win a SB before there are believers so i dont really care what the experts say....good or bad.

Defense lost the game too, but the offense never got anything started because the only option was running the ball which put the defense on the field the entire game.
As for Flacco, he is a better playoff QB than Rivers and it's not even close. Going 4-3 in the playoffs on the road in all 7 games is very impressive. Rivers chokes at home. Flacco produces on the road.

vancejohnson82
08-23-2011, 12:27 AM
Von Miller

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08-23-2011, 12:28 AM
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vancejohnson82
08-23-2011, 12:29 AM
Denver Broncos = BOSS

KCStud
08-23-2011, 12:34 AM
Like i said, our ST's lost that game.

No, they didn't. Your all-star QB lost the game. Rivers had 1st and goal inside the 5 and couldn't get the ball in the endzone with 4 tries.
That's on Rivers, especially since 3 of the 4 plays were passing plays.
And I don't want to hear the rain excuse. KC wasn't fumbling the ball around and making mistakes, so there was no reason the Chargers should have either.

bigbucks24
08-23-2011, 12:43 AM
The Jets have to fall back to earth soon. That Rex Ryan elbows and a-holes stuff only works for so long.

From your lips to God's ears....

Rolandftw
08-23-2011, 12:48 AM
Don't think you can really blame Rivers entirely for that loss. Rivers was bothered by the rain, but so was Cassel. KC just had one more big play then San Diego. Weather's a part of the game, but there's no way KC wins that game if the conditions were better.

Makes sense that Chief fans are still excited about their only win against an above .500 team though...

And do you really think Flacco is better then Rivers? Statistically, the latter was probably the second best QB in the conference. SD has a lot of obstacles that might stop them from winning a title. QB isn't one of them.

If SD doesn't win the division, it's going to be because they stopped themselves. They're better then the rest of the division in most key positions.

Boltjolt
08-23-2011, 07:31 AM
Defense lost the game too, but the offense never got anything started because the only option was running the ball which put the defense on the field the entire game.
As for Flacco, he is a better playoff QB than Rivers and it's not even close. Going 4-3 in the playoffs on the road in all 7 games is very impressive. Rivers chokes at home. Flacco produces on the road.

Sure...did Flacco play any of those games with a torn ACL?

Rivers did.

Pretty bid disadvantage but hey, you go ahead of like Flacco better. Ill take Rivers every Sunday because Dilfer took a team to a SB win and he sucked. Eli isnt an elite QB either but he has a ring so who cares.

My opinion is KC will finish 3rd in the division this year.

Garcia Bronco
08-23-2011, 07:35 AM
Defense lost the game too, but the offense never got anything started because the only option was running the ball which put the defense on the field the entire game.
As for Flacco, he is a better playoff QB than Rivers and it's not even close. Going 4-3 in the playoffs on the road in all 7 games is very impressive. Rivers chokes at home. Flacco produces on the road.

And yet...If I had to pick between Rivers and Flacco to run my team....I would pick Rivers 110 percent of the time.

DENVERDUI55
08-23-2011, 10:31 AM
And yet...If I had to pick between Rivers and Flacco to run my team....I would pick Rivers 110 percent of the time.

and so would everyone else with a brain that knows anything about football.

Br0nc0Buster
08-23-2011, 01:26 PM
Flacco better than Rivers?

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Dedhed
08-23-2011, 02:13 PM
Yeah...

Being #1 on offense and #1 defense while key players are out is pretty much the definition of "great".

ST kept them down along with some ****ty luck. They're deeper and flat out better this year.

As for Sproles, Tucker and Strickland... Tucker didn't play last year. Strickland wasn't even a role player and Sproles has his uses but is super overrated.

So what "significant roles" do they need to filled that were vacated by back ups and IRed guys that didn't even play?
All true, but you could say the same thing pretty much every years for the last decade.

At some point you have to consider that they are what they are; underachievers.

KCStud
08-23-2011, 03:31 PM
All true, but you could say the same thing pretty much every years for the last decade.

At some point you have to consider that they are what they are; underachievers.

This. Rivers can't lead a team to the promised land. Flacco will in the future.

DENVERDUI55
08-23-2011, 03:35 PM
This. Rivers can't lead a team to the promised land. Flacco will in the future.

Its funny you would even say that. All the naysayers on NFL pundits talk about is that it is the time for Flacco to step up and do something in the playoffs has arrived. Rivers is 2x the QB and it's too early to give him the Elway, Manning Brother, Brees label that he can't win one. I give you a pass though what does a KC fan know about winning playoff games let alone a superbowl?

KCStud
08-23-2011, 04:14 PM
Its funny you would even say that. All the naysayers on NFL pundits talk about is that it is the time for Flacco to step up and do something in the playoffs has arrived. Rivers is 2x the QB and it's too early to give him the Elway, Manning Brother, Brees label that he can't win one. I give you a pass though what does a KC fan know about winning playoff games let alone a superbowl?

The same way Broncos fans know about postseason wins for the last 13 years.

Simply Red
08-23-2011, 04:51 PM
I think the AFC West may not even have a winner - the NFL may simply eliminate the divi to spite it's fugly face.

randomtask
08-23-2011, 05:42 PM
The same way Broncos fans know about postseason wins for the last 13 years.

We've won 4 postseason games in that period...

Just saying.

TheReverend
08-23-2011, 05:45 PM
We've won 4 postseason games in that period...

Just saying.

And a Superbowl O_o

randomtask
08-23-2011, 05:48 PM
And a Superbowl O_o

Yup.

I suppose he could be making the argument that chief fans that were alive when disco was new have more experience in playoffs wins than bronco fans entering middle school...

DENVERDUI55
08-23-2011, 05:55 PM
The same way Broncos fans know about postseason wins for the last 13 years.

You should of cherry picked 12 years to where we didn't have a Superbowl ring. How many playoff games has the queefs won since 69? Has to kill u that every team in afcw has been in Superbowl for you to watch since mid 90s. Oh yeah even Seattle has.

Mogulseeker
08-23-2011, 06:09 PM
You should of cherry picked 12 years to where we didn't have a Superbowl ring. How many playoff games has the queefs won since 69? Has to kill u that every team in afcw has been in Superbowl for you to watch since mid 90s. Oh yeah even Seattle has.

My dad was 7 the last time the Chiefs won a playoff game.

KCStud
08-23-2011, 06:32 PM
You should of cherry picked 12 years to where we didn't have a Superbowl ring. How many playoff games has the queefs won since 69? Has to kill u that every team in afcw has been in Superbowl for you to watch since mid 90s. Oh yeah even Seattle has.

Remind me what that has to do with NFL this year?

Pendejo
08-23-2011, 06:44 PM
My dad was 7 the last time the Chiefs won a playoff game.

So your old man is what...twenty-five/twenty-six?

BroncoLover
08-23-2011, 06:57 PM
This. Rivers can't lead a team to the promised land. Flacco will in the future.

If Rivers was given keys to Baltimore Offense, he would have leads them to promise land atleast once, if not more.... So you saying Flacco is better than Rivers makes you a chiefs fan and you deserve that team and city. Because you dont know who can lead you where.

KCStud
08-23-2011, 07:10 PM
If Rivers was given keys to Baltimore Offense, he would have leads them to promise land atleast once, if not more.... So you saying Flacco is better than Rivers makes you a chiefs fan and you deserve that team and city. Because you dont know who can lead you where.

SD's offense is just as talented as Baltimore's this year and they were way better than the Ravens offense when they had LT, Gates and Jackson all in their prime.

Ugly Duck
08-23-2011, 07:20 PM
Oakland has matched up well with us lately by playing us close

28-13 is "close." Well, I guess its closer than 59-14......

BroncoLover
08-23-2011, 07:22 PM
SD's offense is just as talented as Baltimore's this year and they were way better than the Ravens offense when they had LT, Gates and Jackson all in their prime.

But no matter what offense they have, they never had a defense that was as good as Baltimore's. Hope you are not having blindfolds and looking at just one side of the ball.

In baltimore.. rest of the team carries 80% and falcco does 20%, In SD Rivers + LT + Gates were doing 80% and rest of the team 20%, unless there were couple of guys doing extra drugs to get the advantage on Defense.

vancejohnson82
08-23-2011, 07:27 PM
Remind me what that has to do with NFL this year?

wow...bring up historical records, then say "wait, what does this have to do with this year"

Bert face

vancejohnson82
09-12-2011, 02:43 PM
just a reminder that we are BOSSES this year

Dogsweat
09-12-2011, 03:12 PM
lol

The only thing the Mules will boss will be a porta potty.

4-12 is your destination.

Kylee sucks.

Your real QB is in Chicago leading the Bears to another playoff run.

According to all time records and Super Bowl wins----and head to head play- The RAIDERS ARE THE BOSS.

http://forum.i3d.net/attachments/silly-offtopic-games-english/943218971d1290113903-game-show-me-db1166-pumpkin-puke.jpg

vancejohnson82
09-12-2011, 03:17 PM
your team hasn't been relevant since 2001....but, hey, your team is fast I guess

Que
09-12-2011, 03:17 PM
Dude it is the Raiders. Come on. They're basically a USFL or XFL team.

CEH
09-12-2011, 03:26 PM
Rivers chokes at home. Flacco produces on the road.

Rivers lost two at home. One against the NYJ the other to NE. In the NE game, SD had the lead with 2 minutes to go and the SD safety intercepted Brady but fumbled the ball right back to the Pats. Can't really see call that lost on Rivers.

One home lost. I'd take Rivers all day over Flacco

maven
09-12-2011, 03:37 PM
One home lost. I'd take Rivers all day over Flacco

No ****. When was this ever a question?

vancejohnson82
11-30-2011, 04:31 PM
there's a lot of goodness in this thread...

KO5K
11-30-2011, 04:46 PM
3) The QB controversy is done. Over.....FINITO. GET OVER ITNo it isnt. Just wait.


:Broncos:

Repped.

vancejohnson82
11-30-2011, 05:18 PM
Repped.

hahahaha.....there's a lot of great stuff like that in here

strafen
11-30-2011, 07:45 PM
there's a lot of goodness in this thread...

Indeed...
Moreno will have a career year this year.
3) The QB controversy is done. Over.....FINITO. GET OVER IT

:rofl:

Peoples Champ
12-05-2011, 07:39 AM
not gonna lie, didnt think we would when we were 1-4, but it feels pretty good now to sit on top of the west. Seems like its been forever.

Br0nc0Buster
01-01-2012, 04:49 PM
Bumped

OP was right

AFC West has been BOSSED

Boobs McGee
01-01-2012, 05:06 PM
1) The defense is going to be MUCH better than we BRONCOS fans have seen in a long time. Pressure on the QB????? I had no idea what that was like to watch. Granted, it was the Bills, who struggle up front, but wow. Great to see. It frees up DJ and lets our safeties and corners play on their toes instead of on the back of their heels.

2) the addition of Willis is going to help a lot if he can stay off the weed and take up 10 carries a game. The reason he is open on the edges on those screens is because when Moreno goes the D expects power. I really like the 1/2 of Moreno and WMcG. Moreno will have a career year this year.

3) The QB controversy is done. Over.....FINITO. GET OVER IT

4) Von Miller is going to win RDPOTY (i think I might have added too many letters). Kids a beast. Im a fan and a jersey orderer (another word)

5) We are making the playoffs and winning the AFC West. Perfect combo of veterans and youth talent. Goddamnit, if Bey Bey was healthy we would get a lot more props.

6) Tebow needs to be put into packages. I feel like the entire rule about 3 QBs on the gameday roster was MADE for us. We can really **** with some teams inside the twenty and even during normal game situations.

7) The media is now very anti-Tebow. Have you seen the highlights they show. Let's not let the "East Coast" nerds ruin him. At the end of the season we have 3 options.

Hate on haters

Helluva prediction man!

vancejohnson82
01-02-2012, 01:15 PM
Helluva prediction man!

I was right about a few things....basically Miller, the defense being improved and Willis being a good addition for us

Was wrong about the QB controversy being done and Moreno

and oh yea....I was right that we were going to end the season on top