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Kaylore
08-20-2011, 11:00 PM
It was a great game for this team. Lots of big plays and a real confidence booster. Von Doom both were really bringing the heat. Miller got his first sack as a pro player which was great. DJ even got an interception. I think he's had two his whole life.

I liked the rushing offense and the offense in general. It was balanced and effective. Quinn really has improved. He still looks like a backup, but a good backup. Orton and Lloyd have great chemistry with each other. That was nice to see that was intact. The offensive line played well. Franklin is getting better.

Julius Thomas was open a lot. He really is a terrible blocker. Sometimes it looks like he doesn't even want to or has any idea what he's supposed to be doing. The defensive line still gets gashed in the run too much. However we are still collapsing the pocket and getting good pressure. That's all you can ask.

Overall it was nice to see the team play hard for Fox. We still have issues, but receiver and safety look better than I thought they'd be. What are your thoughts (other than whining about the lack of time Tebow got.)

yerner
08-20-2011, 11:03 PM
Von Miller! First time I've really seen this guy. Wow. I was all over Patrick Peterson but damn I was wrong. They got it right for sure. His first step is unreal.

tsiguy96
08-20-2011, 11:04 PM
gotta watch the game tomorrow, didnt see it tonight (too busy losing at poker). but andrew mason compared broncos this year to cheetahs, last year was rhinos. speed kills.

outdoor_miner
08-20-2011, 11:08 PM
Didn't get to watch the entire game, but I'm really excited about our rookie class (Miller, Moore, Franklin, and Thomas are all getting 1st team reps and showing talent). I thought the secondary looked pretty good in the 1st half, and Vaughn made some nice plays. Orton played a nice game... I'm excited that we may be able to run the ball this year...

hookemhess
08-20-2011, 11:15 PM
Thanks for this thread, Kaylore. I was losing faith in the OM over Tebowmania.

Not much to add to your's -- it was a pretty good assessment. I was really stoked to see Von & Doom wreaking havoc. I think that tandem can be something special. I think Bunkley will be a fair player for us, but our interior DL is still going to get pushed around in the run game. I'm excited about Rahim -- it's good to have some promising youth in the secondary. Orton looked solid. He's got a great grasp on the offense & like you said, has a great connection with Lloyd. Speaking of Lloyd, he's beast. I thought last season may have been fluke & he's a bit older, but I think he still has some great football left in him. I'm a Decker fanboy, so I'd like to see him get targeted a little more with the 1's. Knowshon caught my eye a couple times. He's got great lateral moves, but as it's been beat to death, no break away speed. Mostly I'm just glad to see some defense.

I'm liking my $50 bet I made with a friend -- I took the over on 5.5 total wins.

baja
08-20-2011, 11:22 PM
It was a great game for this team. Lots of big plays and a real confidence booster. Von Doom both were really bringing the heat. Miller got his first sack as a pro player which was great. DJ even got an interception. I think he's had two his whole life.

I liked the rushing offense and the offense in general. It was balanced and effective. Quinn really has improved. He still looks like a backup, but a good backup. Orton and Lloyd have great chemistry with each other. That was nice to see that was intact. The offensive line played well. Franklin is getting better.

Julius Thomas was open a lot. He really is a terrible blocker. Sometimes it looks like he doesn't even want to or has any idea what he's supposed to be doing. The defensive line still gets gashed in the run too much. However we are still collapsing the pocket and getting good pressure. That's all you can ask.

Overall it was nice to see the team play hard for Fox. We still have issues, but receiver and safety look better than I thought they'd be. What are your thoughts (other than whining about the lack of time Tebow got.)

That's what I saw too. Very promising. rep

epicSocialism4tw
08-20-2011, 11:22 PM
Both teams played hard.

Phantom
08-20-2011, 11:23 PM
Love the pressure from the D. Lot's of blitzes. Might get off the field on 3rd and Long this year. Like Bailey playing the slot. Might preserve the hammy not sprinting with the outside go routes. Plus he's positioned geniously for run support. Vaughn surprised me. Wanted to see more JJ instead of Minor at RB.

baja
08-20-2011, 11:24 PM
Thanks for this thread, Kaylore. I was losing faith in the OM over Tebowmania.

Not much to add to your's -- it was a pretty good assessment. I was really stoked to see Von & Doom wreaking havoc. I think that tandem can be something special. I think Bunkley will be a fair player for us, but our interior DL is still going to get pushed around in the run game. I'm excited about Rahim -- it's good to have some promising youth in the secondary. Orton looked solid. He's got a great grasp on the offense & like you said, has a great connection with Lloyd. Speaking of Lloyd, he's beast. I thought last season may have been fluke & he's a bit older, but I think he still has some great football left in him. I'm a Decker fanboy, so I'd like to see him get targeted a little more with the 1's. Knowshon caught my eye a couple times. He's got great lateral moves, but as it's been beat to death, no break away speed. Mostly I'm just glad to see some defense.

I'm liking my $50 bet I made with a friend -- I took the over on 5.5 total wins.

+1

razorwire77
08-20-2011, 11:26 PM
Thanks for starting this thread.

Von Miller is an instinctive pass rusher. He doesn't just rely on speed. His first step is incredible too.

Brandon Lloyd made the best catch I've seen in preseason, and then proceeded to almost make a one hand grab that would have one-upped it.

Franklin is a mauler.

Bunkley's gap integrity was good and he was disruptive.

I think Fox is finally going to use D.J. correctly as a straight line edge rusher.

Joe Mays in space is a disaster.

Moreno will be solid this year, and had a decent game, but I just don't see the explosiveness you want from your 1A RB.

As you mentioned Thomas was getting open a lot. He's a decent route runner for such little football experience, but you're right his blocking is terrible.

Lost in the Orton/Tebow tribal warfare is that Brady Quinn has fixed his footwork and improved his mechanics. I never thought I would say many positive things about him as I have over the past couple of weeks.

randomtask
08-20-2011, 11:26 PM
Miller's first step is rediculous.

Kaylore
08-20-2011, 11:38 PM
Miller's first step is rediculous.

It really is. And he didn't need to get into the three point stance to get off the ball like that.

titan
08-20-2011, 11:47 PM
Agree that Miller looked great and the defensive play overall is encouraging. I was glad to see the running backs involved in the passing game - with Fox's "run first" reputation the offense has more passing than I expected.

Haven't seen anyone mention the punting yet - great game by Britton Colquitt. Booming high punts that were easy to cover - one of the better games from a Bronco punter I've seen at home. Nice we don't have to worry about this position two years removed from Mitch Berger's 7 yarders.

extralife
08-20-2011, 11:47 PM
I know it was Buffalo, but I thought both starting units played really well. I was very pleased. Everyone else has already mentioned Von Doom so all I'll say is it's going to be a pleasure watching a Denver team with two legitimate pass rushers for the first time since like the Dan Reeves era (ok, I'll buy Neil Smith and Alfred Williams). Brandon Lloyd still looks like the Brandon Lloyd of last year, which, for anyone that has followed Lloyd's career, is a huge relief. Cassius Vaugh and Rahim Moore look like NFL starters to me, and that's pretty cool. Our biggest concerns are still the running game and the run defense, but that's not exactly surprising.

Broncobiv
08-20-2011, 11:48 PM
Miller is clearly best known and utilized as a pass rusher. But the thing that has me worried is that nobody talks about him as either a run stopper or in pass coverage. Don't linebackers need to be able to cover receivers every now and then, and stop the run as well? Can Von do these things? If not, he might as well be a DE instead of a LB.

The Joker
08-21-2011, 12:52 AM
Just finished watching the game, thought our first team looked great. Came to the Mane expecting people to be happy, yet all everyone wants to talk about is Tebow. Very disappointing.

Anyway, offense looked good. If McGahee and Moreno can both stay healthy they're going to be a very nice tandem. I do worry about our depth behind them though, none of the other backs impressed me very much.

Orton looked very good. Had me cursing him on that one sack where he went fetal on it, but he made some nice throws and had a couple of nice plays on 3rd down (though one got called back for a penalty unfortunately).

I like our receiving options I have to say. Lloyd is a legit #1 receiver, and Eddie back on the outside is going to be a good thing for him. Decker looks a very nice fit for the slot receiver spot, and Orange Julius got involved in the passing game too.

O-Line weren't as punishing in the run blocking this week as that one series against Dallas last week, but we still look worlds better than we did last year. Was nice to see us able to convert short yardage situations on the ground too. Punching it in for the TD and we also converted a 3rd and 1 on the ground on the second TD drive. (despite McGahee bobbling the ball, the line did such a good job that it didn't matter and he picked up the first with ease.)

On defense, we're going to have to accept that teams are going to run the ball against us and have some success doing it. We simply aren't stout enough up the middle of the D to shut the run down on a consistent basis. I do think with our aggressive style however that we'll make enough plays in the backfield to force teams into passing downs eventually. The key will be to tackle well at the second level and not allow huge gains.

Our pass defense looks like it's going to be as good as we've had in years. Miller already looks like a guy who can be effective in the NFL. He and Doom on either side gives us a legit pass rush on 3rd down.

I've loved what I've seen from Allen so far on our 3rd down defense. He's willing to blitz. I think we'll be able to get pressure with a 4 man rush, but when you combine that with a willingness to bring extra men then you're going to make big plays on D.

One of my very favourite things we're doing on D is having Champ come inside in the nickle D. That makes it so much more difficult to move the chains against us when you have Champ playing in the center of the field, taking away the short stuff. We'll probably give up some big plays deep as a result of not having Champ back there, but we're going to make it difficult to pick up the short stuff and force QB's to make the tougher passes to move the chains. I love that.

Good stuff all in all, looking forward to next week.

SoCalBronco
08-21-2011, 01:12 AM
1. First team OL appears to be gelling a little bit.
2. Both top backs had a good outing I thought. Moreno with some decent runs and also nice plays in the passing game. Appears that McGahee will be the GL and SY back this year as Moreno lacks the functional strength for that role.
3. Got to see some of Orange Julius which was nice. Still think this group of TE's is largely a weakness, at least at this point, however.
4. It's encouraging to see that Lloyd is still in his 2010 form. Looks like Decker will have a strong role. He's a playmaker and very sure handed. I continue to be a little alarmed at the fact that they can't revive Royal into his former self in this scheme.
5. They are still pretty soft against the run, understandably. There still isn't a sufficient amount of beef on the line. Losing Warren will hurt an already weak DT group. There were some TFL, however, by Doom, DJ etc, which were nice to see.
6. OLB's are a turning into a very strong point. Impressed by the growth Miller showed from Game 1 to Game 2. He eats up alot of space fast, has a great first step and created massive problems for the Bills in pass protection. He made some things happen in pursuing the run as well, but he'll have to get better as a pass defender, which I'm sure he will. He is an elite player, though. DJ had a terrific game. He got pressure on the QB's on blitzes, made some plays against the run and ofcourse had a nice INT. He's an excellent 4-3 WLB and the fact that there's some other talent in the front 7 now will only help him even more. I also liked what I saw from Mohamed and Woodyard.
7. Thrilled to see such a pass rush. Alot of people getting into the act, most notably Dumervil and Miller. Confident that the staff will creatively use them and align them all over the place to create matchups and use stunts and games to confuse OL. Even BUF's commentators discussed the speed of Denver's front.
8. MLB is a problem area. Mays is a liability against the pass and also in pursuit. I tried to focus on Irving when he came in during the second half, but did not see a whole lot to believe he'll be starter material in the immediate future. He did get some good depth on one play when it looked like they were in Tampa 2.
9. Like Miller, I was encouraged by the progress Moore made from Game 1 to Game 2, it was noticeable. Cox runs hot and cold. He made a number of plays, including breakups, plus some good ST work, but its an all or nothing type of deal with him, kind of like Deltha. Was a bit surprised how far down the depth chart the Squid appears to be, he didn't seem to get much time until late. I hope Bruton is ok, he left in an ambulance.
10. Orton was efficient, throwing to backs and on screens and such. He was able to make some nice downfield throws. Still don't think he can make things happen unless he has excellent protection which probably won't be the case most of the time. Quinn was alright, too. Liked the timing and accuracy on that post route. I wasn't happy that they basically didn't give Tebow any oppurtunities at all to work and improve and pulling him for that scrub Weber was curious at best. Not sure what they're trying to do there, but at best its short-sighted and at worst its mean spirited.
11. It was a poor opponent and its still preseason but its nice to see alot of people flash some good consistent play for the most part.

FireFly
08-21-2011, 05:04 AM
I think next week will give us a much better indication of where we're at as a football team.

I'm very worried about our ability to stop the run, but obviously very impressed with everything others have been talking about.

Did anyone else have a take on Macarthy or Irving this week? I tried to keep an eye out, but really couldn't key in very well.

I'm surprised I'm not reading more about Quinn. I was very impressed with the way he played

Agamemnon
08-21-2011, 06:17 AM
Von Miller looked like the real deal.

Our run defense still sucks.

We have very little depth on defense.

Agamemnon
08-21-2011, 06:24 AM
Miller is clearly best known and utilized as a pass rusher. But the thing that has me worried is that nobody talks about him as either a run stopper or in pass coverage. Don't linebackers need to be able to cover receivers every now and then, and stop the run as well? Can Von do these things? If not, he might as well be a DE instead of a LB.

Von Miller is good at run support from the Sam position, and he's got the athleticism to become a good coverage guy. No need to worry. In all honesty, Miller is a hundred times the player that is needed at the Sam position. It's kind of overkill.

elsid13
08-21-2011, 06:50 AM
Overall I liked the play of the front seven when comes to getting to the QB, but I am wondering where Ayers was last night.

McDman
08-21-2011, 07:05 AM
It was a great game for this team. Lots of big plays and a real confidence booster. Von Doom both were really bringing the heat. Miller got his first sack as a pro player which was great. DJ even got an interception. I think he's had two his whole life.

I liked the rushing offense and the offense in general. It was balanced and effective. Quinn really has improved. He still looks like a backup, but a good backup. Orton and Lloyd have great chemistry with each other. That was nice to see that was intact. The offensive line played well. Franklin is getting better.

Julius Thomas was open a lot. He really is a terrible blocker. Sometimes it looks like he doesn't even want to or has any idea what he's supposed to be doing. The defensive line still gets gashed in the run too much. However we are still collapsing the pocket and getting good pressure. That's all you can ask.

Overall it was nice to see the team play hard for Fox. We still have issues, but receiver and safety look better than I thought they'd be. What are your thoughts (other than whining about the lack of time Tebow got.)

I heard Stink say last week that it was clear that Thomas did not even attempt to block. Maybe we should just convert him to receiver. If we leave him as a TE every time he is on the game it is a tell on what we are going to do.

I thought the D looked good on passing downs besides a few plays, but it is painfully obvious we are going to get ran on all day. It could be a long season.

McDman
08-21-2011, 07:09 AM
I said this in the chat last night, I'm pretty sure in this first draft of EFX we're going to have more starters than both of McD's combined. I don't know if that is telling of how solid of a job our new guys did or how bad McD really was. Probably both.

elsid13
08-21-2011, 07:10 AM
I heard Stink say last week that it was clear that Thomas did not even attempt to block. Maybe we should just convert him to receiver. If we leave him as a TE every time he is on the game it is a tell on what we are going to do.

I thought the D looked good on passing downs besides a few plays, but it is painfully obvious we are going to get ran on all day. It could be a long season.

He only played one year of organized football, and blocking can be taught. Sharpe had the same problem as young player and he worked on it until he was ok with it.

Drek
08-21-2011, 07:18 AM
I said this in the chat last night, I'm pretty sure in this first draft of EFX we're going to have more starters than both of McD's combined. I don't know if that is telling of how solid of a job our new guys did or how bad McD really was. Probably both.

McDaniels drafted Moreno, Ayers, Beadles, Walton, and Decker (3rd WR gets as many starts as a TE or FB).

The new regime drafted Miller, Moore, and Franklin who are currently starting. So they've got to pick up two more from Carter, Irving, J. Thomas, Mohammed, Beals, etc. for that to come true without any of Tebow, D. Thomas, McBath, Thompson, R. Quinn, etc. breaking through.

If we count UDFAs in that mix McDaniels would add McCarthy (Dawkins' heir apparent) and Vaughn (nickel CB) while the new crew lack any UDFA of note on the roster.

DarkHorse
08-21-2011, 07:20 AM
1. First team OL appears to be gelling a little bit.
2. Both top backs had a good outing I thought. Moreno with some decent runs and also nice plays in the passing game. Appears that McGahee will be the GL and SY back this year as Moreno lacks the functional strength for that role.
3. Got to see some of Orange Julius which was nice. Still think this group of TE's is largely a weakness, at least at this point, however.
4. It's encouraging to see that Lloyd is still in his 2010 form. Looks like Decker will have a strong role. He's a playmaker and very sure handed. I continue to be a little alarmed at the fact that they can't revive Royal into his former self in this scheme.
5. They are still pretty soft against the run, understandably. There still isn't a sufficient amount of beef on the line. Losing Warren will hurt an already weak DT group. There were some TFL, however, by Doom, DJ etc, which were nice to see.
6. OLB's are a turning into a very strong point. Impressed by the growth Miller showed from Game 1 to Game 2. He eats up alot of space fast, has a great first step and created massive problems for the Bills in pass protection. He made some things happen in pursuing the run as well, but he'll have to get better as a pass defender, which I'm sure he will. He is an elite player, though. DJ had a terrific game. He got pressure on the QB's on blitzes, made some plays against the run and ofcourse had a nice INT. He's an excellent 4-3 WLB and the fact that there's some other talent in the front 7 now will only help him even more. I also liked what I saw from Mohamed and Woodyard.
7. Thrilled to see such a pass rush. Alot of people getting into the act, most notably Dumervil and Miller. Confident that the staff will creatively use them and align them all over the place to create matchups and use stunts and games to confuse OL. Even BUF's commentators discussed the speed of Denver's front.
8. MLB is a problem area. Mays is a liability against the pass and also in pursuit. I tried to focus on Irving when he came in during the second half, but did not see a whole lot to believe he'll be starter material in the immediate future. He did get some good depth on one play when it looked like they were in Tampa 2.
9. Like Miller, I was encouraged by the progress Moore made from Game 1 to Game 2, it was noticeable. Cox runs hot and cold. He made a number of plays, including breakups, plus some good ST work, but its an all or nothing type of deal with him, kind of like Deltha. Was a bit surprised how far down the depth chart the Squid appears to be, he didn't seem to get much time until late. I hope Bruton is ok, he left in an ambulance.
10. Orton was efficient, throwing to backs and on screens and such. He was able to make some nice downfield throws. Still don't think he can make things happen unless he has excellent protection which probably won't be the case most of the time. Quinn was alright, too. Liked the timing and accuracy on that post route. I wasn't happy that they basically didn't give Tebow any oppurtunities at all to work and improve and pulling him for that scrub Weber was curious at best. Not sure what they're trying to do there, but at best its short-sighted and at worst its mean spirited.
11. It was a poor opponent and its still preseason but its nice to see alot of people flash some good consistent play for the most part.

Orton's first 3 reads are Lloyd - not sure how Royal is supposed to return to form when the ball goes elsewhere?

Squid got beat up on by grocery baggers last night.

Have to rewatch Thomas blocking today - people are saying he's terrible but I didn't notice anything last night.

Buffalo was better than us last year weren't they? So yeah poor opponent but we're a worse team so take it for what it is......a win.

Drek
08-21-2011, 07:30 AM
Orton's first 3 reads are Lloyd - not sure how Royal is supposed to return to form when the ball goes elsewhere?
Its more like this:
Lloyd Open?
yes - heave it to Lloyd!
no - check down!

The other WRs are distractions for the defense most of the time with Orton behind center.

i4jelway7
08-21-2011, 07:33 AM
my thoughts

individuals:
C. Vaughn (this dude is good), Von Miller (I was so wrong about him, great draft pick, his 1st step is amazing), Doom, & Brady Quinn (Quinn looked like a completely different player than last year and should clearly be the #2), Mcgahee will be the goalline back & he will score a lot of TD's this year, Orton was sharp & his chemistry w/ Lloyd is amazing, like someone else mentioned though Lloyd is Ortons 1st, 2nd, & 3rd look makes it hard to get the other WR's involved but BLoyd is a GREAT #1 WR, Moreno looks a tad quicker this year, still runs high though, P. Cox had a nice breakup in the endzone.

team:
offense played well, Oline still needs to gel, the secondary played well for most of the game, the dline got pressure but still got gashed up the middle in the run game, the o-line struggled a bit in the first half w/ the run game but they picked it up in the 2nd half, special teams punting was great, 59yrd average punting, Praters KO"s are irrelevant now so I can't say anything about KO's besides stupid rule, when Tebow is in the game the run game suffers.


side note didn't know Britton Colquitt had so many problems w/ alcohol in college http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2008/feb/17/ut-punter-charged-dui-leaving-scene-accident/ guess he and Prater will have more in common now

CEH
08-21-2011, 07:47 AM
Two pages and no mention of Franklin. We are watching a young beast of a run blocker develop right before our eyes. Watch the TD by Magahee and see who stand Daruis up and drives him back a yard and stones him. THe team is not afraid to run behind the big guy . His pass pro will improve with time and teaching

Never like 2nd and 1 where teams waste the down . Also fumbled on 3rd and 1. Convert on 2nd and 1 with a 1 yard rush and keep the chains moving

Hopefully next year is the year to draft out young stud DTs. We are going to get screened to death this year but if we can get to 3rd and long it will be fun to watch.

Once Miller develops more moves than just his speed he will a truley great player.

Elway as a PR nightmare on his hands. Yesterday he comes out with a tweet "looking forward to watching the 3 QBs play. Orton then Brady then Tebow blah blah blah". Didn't see a tweet last week. Had to appease the Tebowites. The vision for Tebow left the building in late Dec. How can you go from starting 3 games to 3rd string in 8 months. He looks no better this year than last. Quinn goes down to Ole Miss during the lockout to work with David Lee who coached the Manning Bros and Tebow goes out on a book tour. He is who he is right now. BTW Tebow was fined in QB meetings last week for that illegal forward pass . Fun to watch and all but the team thought it showed a lack of game awareness


Brady might have some trade value right now. Both he and Orton are in contracts years.

Any word on Johnny Whte. Haggin picked him up and may have broke his neck. Not a fan of Moore right now. Neither was Fox . First a fight w/Lloyd then he the hit in preseason then is taken out by the coaches. Hope this is not a pattern with the kid

BUF and SEA might be the two worst teams in the league so not really a great test but we beat them up pretty good. A fake punt led to their only first half points. At Haltime the yardage was 228 to 90 with 30 of those 90 coming on PIs.

DarkHorse
08-21-2011, 07:50 AM
Moore got into a fight with Brandon Lloyd?

I was on vacation last week and missed a lot but this?

Any details?

CEH
08-21-2011, 07:52 AM
Moore got into a fight with Brandon Lloyd?

I was on vacation last week and missed a lot but this?

Any details?

Yes last week in TC. May have just been end of TC blues and all but after last night's little temper tatrum looks like he has so growing up to do fast

Garcia Bronco
08-21-2011, 07:56 AM
The best thing I saw last night offensively is getting Moreno the ball in space. He's displayed a vision problem over the years and gets so excited in those night spaces that he leaves his blocking or misses the hole. But in space...he excels. I like it.

Garcia Bronco
08-21-2011, 07:59 AM
The second best thing I saw offesivt was hitting a TE on the seam. What?!!?. Haven't seen that in years. If Orton consistently does that we can control the field.

tnedator
08-21-2011, 08:03 AM
It was a great game for this team. Lots of big plays and a real confidence booster. Von Doom both were really bringing the heat. Miller got his first sack as a pro player which was great. DJ even got an interception. I think he's had two his whole life.

I liked the rushing offense and the offense in general. It was balanced and effective. Quinn really has improved. He still looks like a backup, but a good backup. Orton and Lloyd have great chemistry with each other. That was nice to see that was intact. The offensive line played well. Franklin is getting better.

Julius Thomas was open a lot. He really is a terrible blocker. Sometimes it looks like he doesn't even want to or has any idea what he's supposed to be doing. The defensive line still gets gashed in the run too much. However we are still collapsing the pocket and getting good pressure. That's all you can ask.

Overall it was nice to see the team play hard for Fox. We still have issues, but receiver and safety look better than I thought they'd be. What are your thoughts (other than whining about the lack of time Tebow got.)

Saw it on TV, not in person, some of the things I was looking for, and my thoughts.

Run game: I was hoping to see us more dominant in the run game. While we weren't bad on the outside, and Moreno at times looked better than in the past, we still weren't opening up many holes between the tackles.

Pass protection: The line looked mostly good here. With Clady now fully healed, and once Franklin gets a little more experience with NFL game speed, I think this 0-line is going to be very good both in pass protection and running (at least running behind the tackles). Did anyone pay attention to the type of run blocking? I often don't focus on that, but I heard on the radio after last game that they were mostly zone blocking in the run game.

DB's: Moore seemed to be all over the field, and while Cox got turned around on the one TD, if Dawkins can still produce, it looks like we will have a very solid secondary.

Front seven: I've been thinking for a while now that our front seven could actually turn out to be a strength. Losing the two DTs hurt that, but Bunkley showed a couple flashes, so maybe the "got talent, but lazy" will finally be shed in Denver -- time will tell.

I've been real excited about moving DJ back to WLB, which if I remember correctly is where he played in college when he was known as a playmaker. It gives him a chance to show off his speed. If Mays (or whoever) can be 'solid' at MLB, the Broncos should have one of the best LB corps in the NFL. Von Miller's speed on the pass rush is down right amazing. I think in most cases we are going to see Ayers and Von on one side and Doom and DJ on the other. That's a lot for teams to contend with, since they won't know which of those four are going to rush/blitz on any given play.

Tempered by the fact that it was the Bills, who some have rated as as a worse team than the Broncos, I was very encouraged by what I saw last night.

I think of the areas I went in hoping to see good production (S, pass rush, running game), the only areas I still have some reservations is the running game. It was solid at times, but still looks to be well short of dominant.

montrose
08-21-2011, 08:18 AM
Both teams played hard.

http://blogtown.portlandmercury.com/files/2006/05/050215rasheed_wallace.jpg

CEH
08-21-2011, 08:19 AM
I think of the areas I went in hoping to see good production (S, pass rush, running game), the only areas I still have some reservations is the running game. It was solid at times, but still looks to be well short of dominant.

JMO, I'm not looking for a dominant running game just a solid running game this year that will feed into Orton's best asset the play action pass. Those 2-3 yards runs in the 1st and 2nd qtr may start to be 15-20 yard runs in the 4th after wearing on the defense. Give this young Oline a year to gel under a great Oline coach

tnedator
08-21-2011, 08:30 AM
JMO, I'm not looking for a dominant running game just a solid running game this year that will feed into Orton's best asset the play action pass. Those 2-3 yards runs in the 1st and 2nd qtr may start to be 15-20 yard runs in the 4th after wearing on the defense. Give this young Oline a year to gel under a great Oline coach

Agreed. I just feel that in order to win with Orton, we need to have a team that can run any time, even when they load the box, because Orton isn't going to carry the team. Right now, I'm not sure we have that kind of running game.

DarkHorse
08-21-2011, 08:35 AM
I agree I don't think this run game is dominate, however, it seems to be (so far) sufficient which is much better than it was last year.

HorseHead
08-21-2011, 08:40 AM
Rahim has some nasty in him...cool..this is gonna be fun to watch..

Jesterhole
08-21-2011, 08:41 AM
Miller and Doom both looked good. Can't really say much else because the Bills are truly one of the putrid teams in the NFL. We've been really bad for only a couple of years now. They've been really bad for over a decade. Ugh...

I heard Cassius Vaughn's name pretty often early on. Don't know if he was playing as the nickel or dime back, but seems to be around the ball a lot.

There was a lot more pressure than the stats indicate, which was nice. However, the middle was really soft, and the Bills running game was chewing up yards for a while. Doom had one nice QB pressure on 3rd down, and blew up a running play for a big loss as well.

Can we officially remove the reverse from our playbook now? Every time I see it I think 'Oh great, here comes a 2 yard gain...'

I have more confidence in our running game now. Our new backs all looked pretty good.

phibacka31
08-21-2011, 08:46 AM
Rahim has some nasty in him...cool..this is gonna be fun to watch..

Agreed X10... and seriously CEH... overact a bit? I'd say so... Moore is fine... good kid... the hit was fine...Apparently you'd like to have some of our great Safety play the past few seasons..

phibacka31
08-21-2011, 09:05 AM
Also of note, though Brady played pretty good that INT was bad... Decker was WIDE OPEN for a TD

smoke4815162342
08-21-2011, 09:09 AM
We have had a soft defense for too long.

I support Rahim Moore's Hit and Attitude.

Cito Pelon
08-21-2011, 09:17 AM
The second best thing I saw offesivt was hitting a TE on the seam. What?!!?. Haven't seen that in years. If Orton consistently does that we can control the field.

Yeah, that was nice to see.

The D looked improved, still have a ways to go before it's as dominant as I'd like to see it be. But considering there's a new DC, and only the 2nd PS game, it's tough to judge it right now.

The O running game looks improved. This Franklin can roadgrade, and it looked like the OL is working pretty well together. This could be a decent scoring offense.

BQuinn has improved himself. Seemed to me he was holding the ball too long in the pocket in CLE and last year with DEN. Not quite confident enough in his reads, or lacking pocket awareness, or whatever to let it fly before the pressure gets to him. I still see a little bit of that waiting too long in the pocket, and should probably throw it into the dirt rather than throw it to a well-covered 3rd option, but BQ seems pretty solid overall.

ST's look solid, saw a lot of improvement in ST's last year, and still look solid this year.

Overall, considering it was Buffalo in the 2nd PS game with their new coaching staff, a pretty good effort all around.

Cito Pelon
08-21-2011, 09:31 AM
The O has looked pretty crisp and efficient so far. McGahee was a nice pickup, needed a back of his caliber badly. He and Moreno complement each other pretty well, and the second group of RB's are decent.

The WR and TE units look pretty good. Orton and Quinn look efficient, and hopefully are sufficient when the going gets tough.

Overall, not bad at all for the first units in the first two PS games. And not bad at all for the 2nd units also.

Garcia Bronco
08-21-2011, 09:34 AM
Agreed X10... and seriously CEH... overact a bit? I'd say so... Moore is fine... good kid... the hit was fine...Apparently you'd like to have some of our great Safety play the past few seasons..

In the local interview afterward he looked calm and in control.

TheReverend
08-21-2011, 09:34 AM
Honestly I'm too mad about he who will not be named to appreciate ANY of the positives.

TheReverend
08-21-2011, 09:40 AM
Its more like this:
Lloyd Open?
yes - heave it to Lloyd!
not really - I'll throw it up for Lloyd anyway
not at all - check down!

The other WRs are distractions for the defense most of the time with Orton behind center.

Fixed.

Ray Finkle
08-21-2011, 09:53 AM
Two pages and no mention of Franklin. We are watching a young beast of a run blocker develop right before our eyes. Watch the TD by Magahee and see who stand Daruis up and drives him back a yard and stones him. THe team is not afraid to run behind the big guy . His pass pro will improve with time and teaching

Never like 2nd and 1 where teams waste the down . Also fumbled on 3rd and 1. Convert on 2nd and 1 with a 1 yard rush and keep the chains moving

Hopefully next year is the year to draft out young stud DTs. We are going to get screened to death this year but if we can get to 3rd and long it will be fun to watch.

Once Miller develops more moves than just his speed he will a truley great player.

Elway as a PR nightmare on his hands. Yesterday he comes out with a tweet "looking forward to watching the 3 QBs play. Orton then Brady then Tebow blah blah blah". Didn't see a tweet last week. Had to appease the Tebowites. The vision for Tebow left the building in late Dec. How can you go from starting 3 games to 3rd string in 8 months. He looks no better this year than last. Quinn goes down to Ole Miss during the lockout to work with David Lee who coached the Manning Bros and Tebow goes out on a book tour. He is who he is right now. BTW Tebow was fined in QB meetings last week for that illegal forward pass . Fun to watch and all but the team thought it showed a lack of game awareness


Brady might have some trade value right now. Both he and Orton are in contracts years.

Any word on Johnny Whte. Haggin picked him up and may have broke his neck. Not a fan of Moore right now. Neither was Fox . First a fight w/Lloyd then he the hit in preseason then is taken out by the coaches. Hope this is not a pattern with the kid

BUF and SEA might be the two worst teams in the league so not really a great test but we beat them up pretty good. A fake punt led to their only first half points. At Haltime the yardage was 228 to 90 with 30 of those 90 coming on PIs.

please, there is not a defensive guy in the league that wouldn't be happy with Moore's hit. Like I said in the other post, I am sorry White was hurt but that was a clean hit. A rookie fighting with a vet in camp! TAR AND FEATHER HIM!

elsid13
08-21-2011, 10:03 AM
BTW The NFL Feed of the game over the internet was extremely good. And for 10 bucks worth it.

Abqbronco
08-21-2011, 10:14 AM
He only played one year of organized football, and blocking can be taught. Sharpe had the same problem as young player and he worked on it until he was ok with it.

He came out as a wide receiver though. The other thing that I noticed about Thomas is how thin he is. At least that was my impression.

bronco militia
08-21-2011, 10:14 AM
Two pages and no mention of Franklin. We are watching a young beast of a run blocker develop right before our eyes. Watch the TD by Magahee and see who stand Daruis up and drives him back a yard and stones him. THe team is not afraid to run behind the big guy . His pass pro will improve with time and teaching

Never like 2nd and 1 where teams waste the down . Also fumbled on 3rd and 1. Convert on 2nd and 1 with a 1 yard rush and keep the chains moving

Hopefully next year is the year to draft out young stud DTs. We are going to get screened to death this year but if we can get to 3rd and long it will be fun to watch.

Once Miller develops more moves than just his speed he will a truley great player.

Elway as a PR nightmare on his hands. Yesterday he comes out with a tweet "looking forward to watching the 3 QBs play. Orton then Brady then Tebow blah blah blah". Didn't see a tweet last week. Had to appease the Tebowites. The vision for Tebow left the building in late Dec. How can you go from starting 3 games to 3rd string in 8 months. He looks no better this year than last. Quinn goes down to Ole Miss during the lockout to work with David Lee who coached the Manning Bros and Tebow goes out on a book tour. He is who he is right now. BTW Tebow was fined in QB meetings last week for that illegal forward pass . Fun to watch and all but the team thought it showed a lack of game awareness


Brady might have some trade value right now. Both he and Orton are in contracts years.

Any word on Johnny Whte. Haggin picked him up and may have broke his neck. Not a fan of Moore right now. Neither was Fox . First a fight w/Lloyd then he the hit in preseason then is taken out by the coaches. Hope this is not a pattern with the kid

BUF and SEA might be the two worst teams in the league so not really a great test but we beat them up pretty good. A fake punt led to their only first half points. At Haltime the yardage was 228 to 90 with 30 of those 90 coming on PIs.

Uhh

some good stuff, but overall this post made my eyes roll our of my head

as the world turns un Donkland....

::)::)::)::)

elsid13
08-21-2011, 10:28 AM
He came out as a wide receiver though. The other thing that I noticed about Thomas is how thin he is. At least that was my impression.

Thomas has played one year of football (in spread offense) before that he was basketball player. So there is learning curve, blocking is more about attitude then physical skill.

Cito Pelon
08-21-2011, 10:45 AM
He came out as a wide receiver though. The other thing that I noticed about Thomas is how thin he is. At least that was my impression.

Julius isn't real muscular, but he's not thin. He's still a basketball player, a guy that's used to just standing somewhere for a pick-and-roll play. Hopefully he'll embrace the physicality of the game.

Paladin
08-21-2011, 10:52 AM
Miller's first step is rediculous.

seemingly

DENVERDUI55
08-21-2011, 10:53 AM
Gap control on the DL is getting better but will still give up some big plays. Miller looked explosive off the edge like you expect from #2 overall pick. MLB gives me some concerns I keep hoping someone will step up and take the position IRVING please. TE is a major weakness. One demensional TE's and I don't think we have a good blocking TE on the roster with Quinn hurt. Overall I like what I saw out of the squad and hope they keep making strides.

Drek
08-21-2011, 11:41 AM
Gap control on the DL is getting better but will still give up some big plays. Miller looked explosive off the edge like you expect from #2 overall pick. MLB gives me some concerns I keep hoping someone will step up and take the position IRVING please. TE is a major weakness. One demensional TE's and I don't think we have a good blocking TE on the roster with Quinn hurt. Overall I like what I saw out of the squad and hope they keep making strides.
Fells is a very competent blocking TE. He's solid if unspectacular, a perfect compliment to the young developing TEs we have on the roster now.

He came out as a wide receiver though. The other thing that I noticed about Thomas is how thin he is. At least that was my impression.

Thomas is coming out as a small forward, so I guess that makes some sense then, doesn't it?

tsiguy96
08-21-2011, 11:54 AM
champ bailey is still amazing. hes had more defensive coordinators than pro bowls, according to williams.

ozomulsion
08-21-2011, 02:36 PM
Uhh

some good stuff, but overall this post made my eyes roll our of my head

as the world turns un Donkland....

::)::)::)::)

Agreed. It feels like the clear coat has chipped off. ;)

Kaylore
08-21-2011, 03:35 PM
I do apologize for not reping Franklin more. He is becoming more consistent. I think it will take a whole year before he's where he needs to be, but overall the offensive line is doing so much better so far.

CEH
08-21-2011, 03:47 PM
The other thing I noticed I don't think we will see that big a drop off with Woodyard vs DJ when/if DJ is suspended by the NFL for his 2nd DUI

I look for Denver to sign a DT RB and LB off the waiver wire

Br0nc0Buster
08-21-2011, 04:36 PM
I thought someone said Moore got ejected, but he was on the sideline after the play.
Fox also said he also had a "head" injury.

My guess is they pulled him after the play so as to avoid any retribution Bills players might aim towards him.

Br0nc0Buster
08-21-2011, 04:38 PM
I really like Vaughn, he is doing a good job so far.
Thats neat how Champ is gonna move inside on nickel to take away the quick hitters.

Bunkley had a good game to, possible he may be more than just a stop gap for us

FireFly
08-21-2011, 04:48 PM
I was really impressed with Decker. He seemed to show good awareness and an ability to get open.

I didn't see much of Ayers?

oubronco
08-21-2011, 04:54 PM
Killer pic

http://www.9news.com/9slideshows/Denver%20Broncos%20vs.%20Buffalo%20Bills%208-20-11%20-%20Getty%20Images/121614537_10.jpg

oubronco
08-21-2011, 04:55 PM
And the best pic

http://www.9news.com/9slideshows/Denver%20Broncos%20vs.%20Buffalo%20Bills%208-20-11%20-%20Getty%20Images/121614790_10.jpg

broncosteven
08-21-2011, 05:12 PM
I just got finished watching the game I was taking care of a 3 and 8 year old so I didn't take notes but this is what I saw.

I liked what I saw of the OL, it looked like KM would benefit more from a zone blocking scheme. To me it looked like they were doing more ISO and Crashing the line, if they could get the back side D on the ground KM and Mcghee would be hard to stop because Walton was getting deep and the tandem of Kuper and Franklin will be road graders this year. Beadles still needs to get better.

The OL looked very good in Pass pro when Orton was not running into a sack.

I still think Orton is going to have issues when he has to move in the pocket but he does get the ball down field to Lloyd where he can make a great play on it.

Quinn had a nice completion on a deep out to Decker that showed a flash of a big time NFL arm but he still is more of a streak type passer, one of his drives was a complete disaster.

McGahee was a great pickup, both or 1st and 2nd backs are great at pass catching and can make people miss out in space. KM had a couple good runs but still has questionable vision.

We have gotten a lot better at TE, they need to block better, I saw 86 (fells?) wiff on a block in the run game that would have given the RB a couple more yards, Thomas needs to get much better also.

It was nice to see Royal get some use, I don't think we will miss Gaff at all now that we have gotten better at TE depth and have Royal, Decker, Willis. Plus the CiDtL option.

On D

Millers 1st step is blinding, he is better than I thought he would be in the run game but once he gets to the play he has to remember to finish it off, this isn't college where guys go down after you run into them, he has to wrap up.

Doom looked very good and very quick. I don't think that we will be too hurt on DT depth as they seemed to have 1 DT out there in a hybrid 3-4 alingment the play of Ayers is going to be more important. Ayers sort of set the edge and drew a lot of double teams but I am not sure why. It seems like he does what he is told to but no more. He has no feel for the play, he needs to be more aware of screens and draws, he seems to take himself out of a lot of plays on his own, the one time I saw him break out a spin he spun out the play.

Bunkley had some good plays and got his arms up and nearly got an INT. Vickerson had some nice power.

I still don't think Mays is a long term option at MLB, I liked what I saw from the raw Irving more than Mays. It is nice to see depth at LB with Haggen and Woodyard though they are not starters, just quality depth.

I liked what I saw out of the CB's though it is hard to see their play on TV. Moore's hit looked like he lead with the shoulder and it happened real fast, I didn't think it was dirty.

I liked how when the Bills had their wild cat QB out there they just blitzed both CB's and killed the play.

Champ made some great plays and the one slant caught in front of him was a good choice on his part because he was all alone due to the blitz and he made the stop. If he goes after the ball and misses that is a big play for them.

It looked like we ran a lot of 46 D and I liked how much they mixed the D fronts going from 3-4 personnel to 4-3. I still think with this team they are going to use the DL for gap contain and use the LB's to make plays.

I think we still need an RB who can carry it 25 times a game, but we are much improved at all levels over the last 2 years.

gyldenlove
08-21-2011, 05:14 PM
I do apologize for not reping Franklin more. He is becoming more consistent. I think it will take a whole year before he's where he needs to be, but overall the offensive line is doing so much better so far.

One thing I like from him is that he has the brute force to recover. On the situation when Orton went fetal on the 1st drive, Franklin was getting pushed back bad and Dareus beat Kuper which is what caused Orton to do his little tap dance routine, but Franklin recovered and stopped the rush before it got to Orton and Walton basicly stonewalled Dareus except that Orton went fetal without anyone touching him and fell into the back of Walton so Dareus could get his hands on him.

gyldenlove
08-21-2011, 05:17 PM
I just got finished watching the game I was taking care of a 3 and 8 year old so I didn't take notes but this is what I saw.

I liked what I saw of the OL, it looked like KM would benefit more from a zone blocking scheme. To me it looked like they were doing more ISO and Crashing the line, if they could get the back side D on the ground KM and Mcghee would be hard to stop because Walton was getting deep and the tandem of Kuper and Franklin will be road graders this year. Beadles still needs to get better.

The OL looked very good in Pass pro when Orton was not running into a sack.

I still think Orton is going to have issues when he has to move in the pocket but he does get the ball down field to Lloyd where he can make a great play on it.

Quinn had a nice completion on a deep out to Decker that showed a flash of a big time NFL arm but he still is more of a streak type passer, one of his drives was a complete disaster.

McGahee was a great pickup, both or 1st and 2nd backs are great at pass catching and can make people miss out in space. KM had a couple good runs but still has questionable vision.

We have gotten a lot better at TE, they need to block better, I saw 86 (fells?) wiff on a block in the run game that would have given the RB a couple more yards, Thomas needs to get much better also.

It was nice to see Royal get some use, I don't think we will miss Gaff at all now that we have gotten better at TE depth and have Royal, Decker, Willis. Plus the CiDtL option.

On D

Millers 1st step is blinding, he is better than I thought he would be in the run game but once he gets to the play he has to remember to finish it off, this isn't college where guys go down after you run into them, he has to wrap up.

Doom looked very good and very quick. I don't think that we will be too hurt on DT depth as they seemed to have 1 DT out there in a hybrid 3-4 alingment the play of Ayers is going to be more important. Ayers sort of set the edge and drew a lot of double teams but I am not sure why. It seems like he does what he is told to but no more. He has no feel for the play, he needs to be more aware of screens and draws, he seems to take himself out of a lot of plays on his own, the one time I saw him break out a spin he spun out the play.

Bunkley had some good plays and got his arms up and nearly got an INT. Vickerson had some nice power.

I still don't think Mays is a long term option at MLB, I liked what I saw from the raw Irving more than Mays. It is nice to see depth at LB with Haggen and Woodyard though they are not starters, just quality depth.

I liked what I saw out of the CB's though it is hard to see their play on TV. Moore's hit looked like he lead with the shoulder and it happened real fast, I didn't think it was dirty.

I liked how when the Bills had their wild cat QB out there they just blitzed both CB's and killed the play.

Champ made some great plays and the one slant caught in front of him was a good choice on his part because he was all alone due to the blitz and he made the stop. If he goes after the ball and misses that is a big play for them.

It looked like we ran a lot of 46 D and I liked how much they mixed the D fronts going from 3-4 personnel to 4-3. I still think with this team they are going to use the DL for gap contain and use the LB's to make plays.

I think we still need an RB who can carry it 25 times a game, but we are much improved at all levels over the last 2 years.

About the 46, I think the way it is set up now is that when Dawkins reads run, he walks into the box before the play and basicly plays as an extra MLB which leaves Moore alone in the back. If Dawkins reads pass he stays back more and seems to be focused on the seam routes and short crossing routes with Moore helping out over top or playing the middle zone in cover 3.

Abqbronco
08-21-2011, 06:38 PM
Fells is a very competent blocking TE. He's solid if unspectacular, a perfect compliment to the young developing TEs we have on the roster now.



Thomas is coming out as a small forward, so I guess that makes some sense then, doesn't it?

It does make sense. I will say this, I watched the game again and he looked ok blocking. He is not as small as I originally thought but he is a lot smaller than Fells. I am excited about this guy. Not Todd Devoe excited but who could match up to that?

TheReverend
08-21-2011, 06:53 PM
Killer pic

http://www.9news.com/9slideshows/Denver%20Broncos%20vs.%20Buffalo%20Bills%208-20-11%20-%20Getty%20Images/121614537_10.jpg

...if he didn't drop it

vonqkilla
08-21-2011, 07:23 PM
Doomillerville is not a place qbs wanna be. Our pass def will be greatly improved ala freeney and mathis, except our goat cb is in the slot. Draw plays and screens could burn us if both de's get up field to high. But its a great problem to have.

Orton pretty good, buff is horrible, so who knows. Cameron Vaughn looks really good, his play vs Dal was no fluke.

Things look up, just wait until we unleash the beast!

15 package.

Ray Finkle
08-21-2011, 07:30 PM
...if he didn't drop it

Debbie Downer!

tnedator
08-21-2011, 07:41 PM
Doomillerville is not a place qbs wanna be. Our pass def will be greatly improved ala freeney and mathis, except our goat cb is in the slot. Draw plays and screens could burn us if both de's get up field to high. But its a great problem to have.

Orton pretty good, buff is horrible, so who knows. Cameron Vaughn looks really good, his play vs Dal was no fluke.

Things look up, just wait until we unleash the beast!

15 package.

It will be interesting to see if they continue to use Champ that way on blitzing downs.

Kaylore
08-21-2011, 11:06 PM
Debbie Downer!

For The Rev, Tebow not playing = no point in analyzing or noticing anything about the game at all.

The Joker
08-21-2011, 11:14 PM
Yeah, gotta say I'm disappointed in some of the posters who seem to be incapable of looking at anything beyond the fact that Tebow didn't get teh reps.

Some posters you'd expect it from, but I've been amazed by the fact that it seems to be all that people want to talk about.

baja
08-21-2011, 11:47 PM
For The Rev, Tebow not playing = no point in analyzing or noticing anything about the game at all.


I'm surprised he is even still here after the FO passed on Peterson after they knew full what rev thought about him. You know Peterson, the guy that can't get on the field on a mediocre team.

cutthemdown
08-22-2011, 12:52 AM
My take is the Broncos will continue to be a team that gives up big runs. But I also think they will get more big plays, sacks, turnovers, that will give the offense chances at easy scores they didn't get last yr.

Orton really looks sharp. IMO McDaniels just sort of wore his arm out throwing too much. With better balance I think He will be more effective in the 4th quarter and not wear down by week 9.

Moreno looks better and Magahee seems like a good addition. He runs north and south and protects the ball well. Good redzone weapon to score those easy tds we have struggled with. I think when we get first and goal now it won't be so tough to gain some yrds on the ground.

vancejohnson82
08-22-2011, 01:11 AM
My take is the Broncos will continue to be a team that gives up big runs. But I also think they will get more big plays, sacks, turnovers, that will give the offense chances at easy scores they didn't get last yr.

Orton really looks sharp. IMO McDaniels just sort of wore his arm out throwing too much. With better balance I think He will be more effective in the 4th quarter and not wear down by week 9.

Moreno looks better and Magahee seems like a good addition. He runs north and south and protects the ball well. Good redzone weapon to score those easy tds we have struggled with. I think when we get first and goal now it won't be so tough to gain some yrds on the ground.

Good stuff...same way I feel

I once saw Willis McGahee beat up a guy with a starfish

TheReverend
08-22-2011, 05:49 AM
For The Rev, Tebow not playing = no point in analyzing or noticing anything about the game at all.

lol

Fortunately it didn't happen to the end so I have a ridiculous amount of notes on the first and second teams.

But yes, it was definitely all over-shadowed by being downright irate at the treatment and flat out lies the front office is feeding fans. Just sick of that.

TheReverend
08-22-2011, 05:55 AM
Yeah, gotta say I'm disappointed in some of the posters who seem to be incapable of looking at anything beyond the fact that Tebow didn't get teh reps.

Some posters you'd expect it from, but I've been amazed by the fact that it seems to be all that people want to talk about.

It alludes to much bigger issues to me.

They claim it's just rotation with Quinn... but in week 1 Quinn got the majority of the playing time. If they really wanted to rotate, they should've worked the "PROJECT" that way.

Two possibilities:

1. It IS show-casing Quinn to other teams.

2. They're defaming Tebow. Emphasizing poor parts of his game to the media all TC, burying him on the depth chart, and then not giving him any snaps in front of the home crowd.

I think #2 is more likely. After all, this a bunch of the same team that defamed and leaked Cutler to the point of massive success that half of you retards still say "Yay, we got rid of Cutler!!!!111" while we're in position to pick Von Miller and they narrowly miss the SB.

Edit: "you retards" in NO way shape or form is directed at Schism <3

footstepsfrom#27
08-22-2011, 07:46 AM
How did Bunkley look at DT? It's unusual to land a young/high draftee DT like that so early in his career. I'm hoping he is the answer there.

bendog
08-22-2011, 08:05 AM
Let's talk about tebow some more!

Seriously, camps shown imo that Franklin will struggle; we're still not really physical in the interior line and Walton may not be the answer; and cornerback is really thin. Plus the defense lacks an interior line, but we knew that before camp.

TheReverend
08-22-2011, 08:07 AM
How did Bunkley look at DT? It's unusual to land a young/high draftee DT like that so early in his career. I'm hoping he is the answer there.

I just wrote a ridiculously long in depth response to this and lost it from smartphone miskey so here's cliffs:

Bunkley was one of the best on the field. Hoping for consistent repeats against superior IOLs.

Vaughn was 2/2 on positives.

For comparison Bailey went 2/3 from me.

Goodman was pedestrian at best.

Elvis was phenomenal in eating space and backside pursuit.

Miller lived in the backfield all day but couldn't capitalize for a little while (not a setup sack either, just blew up Bell). Earlier on Buff tried blocking him with a TE and Miller mauled him.

Still need even better from elvis and miller when their competition is erik pears and demetrius bell

Heady game (no pun intended) from Moore. Clean or not, and let's be real its too close to tell, it obviously wasn't intentional and what matters is that it was a well timed shot.

Steve Sewell
08-22-2011, 08:12 AM
My concern with Orton is his extreme lack of athleticism. That play where he just fell down when there was pressure illustrates it to a tee. I think Bernie Kosar might have been more athletic than him. I know he looks great in practice and perhaps in the preseason when the games don't matter, but in crunch time...or when we're in obvious passing downs...the guy WILL get pressured and will have trouble making plays when things break down.

We've seen it for two seasons now and we'll see it again this year. Hopefully, an improved running game and defense will lessen the frequency of those situations (obvious passing downs) and Orton will have a good year. But I wouldn't count on the guy to make plays consistently in crunch time.

2KBack
08-22-2011, 09:54 AM
My concern with Orton is his extreme lack of athleticism. That play where he just fell down when there was pressure illustrates it to a tee. I think Bernie Kosar might have been more athletic than him. I know he looks great in practice and perhaps in the preseason when the games don't matter, but in crunch time...or when we're in obvious passing downs...the guy WILL get pressured and will have trouble making plays when things break down.

We've seen it for two seasons now and we'll see it again this year. Hopefully, an improved running game and defense will lessen the frequency of those situations (obvious passing downs) and Orton will have a good year. But I wouldn't count on the guy to make plays consistently in crunch time.

He got caught up in the mess and protected the ball. While I've seen him get sacked on a whisper before, I don't think this last game was that.

The several throws he made on the run have unsurprisingly been ignored here though.

Garcia Bronco
08-22-2011, 09:58 AM
He got caught up in the mess and protected the ball. While I've seen him get sacked on a whisper before, I don't think this last game was that.

The several throws he made on the run have unsurprisingly been ignored here though.

It was a smart play. He either got bumped or was going to get bumped from the right tackle and couldn't throw. He protected the ball.

TheReverend
08-22-2011, 10:02 AM
He got caught up in the mess and protected the ball. While I've seen him get sacked on a whisper before, I don't think this last game was that.

The several throws he made on the run have unsurprisingly been ignored here though.

...I have one to Lloyd on the right sideline. What "several"?

strafen
08-22-2011, 10:08 AM
Yeah, gotta say I'm disappointed in some of the posters who seem to be incapable of looking at anything beyond the fact that Tebow didn't get teh reps.

Some posters you'd expect it from, but I've been amazed by the fact that it seems to be all that people want to talk about.The QB position is still a huge question mark with this team.
We want to know and SEE if Tebow can be that guy or not.
The way this whole deal was handled was pretty shiity.
He took Tebow out and put Adam whatever his name is to QB the last 45 seconds of the game.
Can you see how ****ed-up that move was?
That was as stupid move/action as I've ever seen a coach make.
It totally didn't make any sense or served any purpose

TheReverend
08-22-2011, 10:09 AM
Btw for the offense:

-Bills were selling out to play the run, thought there was some good play calling in the second series and on for some quick outside hits (screens, flats and the quick TE pass) to loosen up the linebackers and get the running game going.

-Moreno making the CB miss was encouraging considering I like their corners run support.

-More on the quick hit plays, we had OUTSTANDING outside blocking from all of our perimeter plays and a "don't quit" attitude really kept those plays alive.

-Lol'd hard at the self sack and wondered if Dareus gets credit for a whole sack or if he gets .5 and Orton gets the other .5.

And some more

2KBack
08-22-2011, 10:11 AM
...I have one to Lloyd on the right sideline. What "several"?

Was that the bootleg? I remember there being one where he was flushed, and another that was a designed bootleg

TheReverend
08-22-2011, 10:17 AM
Was that the bootleg? I remember there being one where he was flushed, and another that was a designed bootleg

I have him down for two "good" throws, along with executing some really simple ones. Only one was on the move.

Not sure where you're getting "several" unless you can give me some examples that I missed.

SonOfLe-loLang
08-22-2011, 10:20 AM
My take is the Broncos will continue to be a team that gives up big runs. But I also think they will get more big plays, sacks, turnovers, that will give the offense chances at easy scores they didn't get last yr.

Orton really looks sharp. IMO McDaniels just sort of wore his arm out throwing too much. With better balance I think He will be more effective in the 4th quarter and not wear down by week 9.

Moreno looks better and Magahee seems like a good addition. He runs north and south and protects the ball well. Good redzone weapon to score those easy tds we have struggled with. I think when we get first and goal now it won't be so tough to gain some yrds on the ground.

I dont think mcD "wore out his arm" The couple of starts for Orton, IM CONVINCED, were compromised because of his injury. He just wasnt the same guy as earlier in the season. Playing through that did much more harm to his brand than good

2KBack
08-22-2011, 11:19 AM
I have him down for two "good" throws, along with executing some really simple ones. Only one was on the move.

Not sure where you're getting "several" unless you can give me some examples that I missed.

Sorry, I don't have a break down based on your personal rating system. I'm confident in at least 2, but I don't have the game recorded or anything. I'm not going to try and track one down to defend the word "several" though.

TheReverend
08-22-2011, 11:30 AM
Sorry, I don't have a break down based on your personal rating system. I'm confident in at least 2, but I don't have the game recorded or anything. I'm not going to try and track one down to defend the word "several" though.

How about you just try backing up your own "system"?

You said he had "several good throws on the run". Name more than 1 that wasn't a screen.

That's all. Not MY standards. YOUR ****ing words.

Br0nc0Buster
08-22-2011, 11:35 AM
Let's talk about tebow some more!

Seriously, camps shown imo that Franklin will struggle; we're still not really physical in the interior line and Walton may not be the answer; and cornerback is really thin. Plus the defense lacks an interior line, but we knew that before camp.

I dont think Franklin struggled, in fact he kept Dareus in check the whole time and looked good run blocking
Walton and Beadles are ?s, neither are that impressive
Im not sure corner is "really thin", Vaughn has stepped up and looked good
Goodman is not bad, and Cox has starting experience
Also Bunkley played well, he looked like more than just a stop gap

The Joker
08-22-2011, 12:10 PM
It alludes to much bigger issues to me.

They claim it's just rotation with Quinn... but in week 1 Quinn got the majority of the playing time. If they really wanted to rotate, they should've worked the "PROJECT" that way.

Two possibilities:

1. It IS show-casing Quinn to other teams.

2. They're defaming Tebow. Emphasizing poor parts of his game to the media all TC, burying him on the depth chart, and then not giving him any snaps in front of the home crowd.

I think #2 is more likely. After all, this a bunch of the same team that defamed and leaked Cutler to the point of massive success that half of you retards still say "Yay, we got rid of Cutler!!!!111" while we're in position to pick Von Miller and they narrowly miss the SB.

Edit: "you retards" in NO way shape or form is directed at Schism <3

Appreciate the omission!

Anyway, if your vagina heals up any time soon I'd love to read some of your analysis on the rest of the game . ;)

bendog
08-22-2011, 12:32 PM
Let's talk about tebow and quarterbacks on a thread specifically NOT about tebow!

ward63
08-22-2011, 12:58 PM
He only played one year of organized football, and blocking can be taught. Sharpe had the same problem as young player and he worked on it until he was ok with it.

This

cutthemdown
08-22-2011, 01:04 PM
I dont think mcD "wore out his arm" The couple of starts for Orton, IM CONVINCED, were compromised because of his injury. He just wasnt the same guy as earlier in the season. Playing through that did much more harm to his brand than good

Well sometimes an arm injury is because it was worn out. In any event not dropping back 30 times a game is what will keep him fresh. QB's rarely get hurt handing the ball off which is what he should be doing 30 times a game.

ward63
08-22-2011, 01:33 PM
Does anybody know if this will be re-aired on NFLN?

TheReverend
08-22-2011, 01:37 PM
Appreciate the omission!

Anyway, if your vagina heals up any time soon I'd love to read some of your analysis on the rest of the game . ;)

Don't worry man, I made sure to post it in two separate posts that including no whining.

SonOfLe-loLang
08-22-2011, 02:21 PM
Well sometimes an arm injury is because it was worn out. In any event not dropping back 30 times a game is what will keep him fresh. QB's rarely get hurt handing the ball off which is what he should be doing 30 times a game.

Didnt he hurt his ribs?

bendog
08-22-2011, 02:23 PM
Didnt he hurt his ribs?

Kyle Orton doesn't have ribs. Just nasty booze soaked cartiledge supporting his man-boobs.

Steve Sewell
08-22-2011, 03:57 PM
I dont think Franklin struggled, in fact he kept Dareus in check the whole time and looked good run blocking
Walton and Beadles are ?s, neither are that impressive
Im not sure corner is "really thin", Vaughn has stepped up and looked good
Goodman is not bad, and Cox has starting experience
Also Bunkley played well, he looked like more than just a stop gap

Vaughn looks to have that explosive athleticism and "make up speed" in addition to flat line speed needed to play outside receivers. It's really cool that the Broncos can bring him in on 3rd down passing plays to play the outside receive so they can match up Champ in the slot. Lord knows they're going to bring the pressure on passing downs, so the chance of Vaughn being burned should be pretty low.

NYBronc
08-22-2011, 04:04 PM
Does anybody know if this will be re-aired on NFLN?

Tonight at 2 AM ET and Thursday at 10 AM ET.

bendog
08-22-2011, 04:13 PM
I dont think Franklin struggled, in fact he kept Dareus in check the whole time and looked good run blocking
Walton and Beadles are ?s, neither are that impressive
Im not sure corner is "really thin", Vaughn has stepped up and looked good
Goodman is not bad, and Cox has starting experience
Also Bunkley played well, he looked like more than just a stop gap

I was thinking more about penalites that Franklin has had. Just growing pains. I think it will turn out to be a real good pick.

With corner I was thinking more along the lines of cox may not be here. Dove Valley would love to lose the guy. I liked Vaughn at ole miss. He was a play maker. Goodman's ok. If cox is cut or misses time, it'll be bad back there, which is why I figure Dove Valley will swallow hard and keep the lousy POS, who by this time next year will hopefully be sharing a cell with an 300 weightlifting Aryan.

Bunkley played well. I actuall like him and Thomas. But there's just not a lot of talent at DT. I'm not complaining. McD's personnel moves were .... Millenesque. Dove Valley didn't sink a lot of longterm cap into stop gap types, and imo that was a good decision.

Overall, I think Fox will install high quality game plans on both sides of the ball. Talent is short, but it looks to me like a really solid draft. Two more like that, and Den's back to challanging for ten wins a year.

Br0nc0Buster
08-22-2011, 04:24 PM
I was thinking more about penalites that Franklin has had. Just growing pains. I think it will turn out to be a real good pick.

With corner I was thinking more along the lines of cox may not be here. Dove Valley would love to lose the guy. I liked Vaughn at ole miss. He was a play maker. Goodman's ok. If cox is cut or misses time, it'll be bad back there, which is why I figure Dove Valley will swallow hard and keep the lousy POS, who by this time next year will hopefully be sharing a cell with an 300 weightlifting Aryan.

Bunkley played well. I actuall like him and Thomas. But there's just not a lot of talent at DT. I'm not complaining. McD's personnel moves were .... Millenesque. Dove Valley didn't sink a lot of longterm cap into stop gap types, and imo that was a good decision.

Overall, I think Fox will install high quality game plans on both sides of the ball. Talent is short, but it looks to me like a really solid draft. Two more like that, and Den's back to challanging for ten wins a year.

Well I agree after this year corner will be an area that will need to be addressed
I assume Cox is gone after this year, I doubt he gets cut during the year though
Goodman is already old and has injury concerns, so I dont see him as anyone we can rely on with confidence, but as of right now he is healthy
which is why I say right now we are OK at corner, but prolly will need to at least one in next year's draft

Cito Pelon
08-22-2011, 05:13 PM
I haven't read the whole thread, but who's mentioned Robert Ayers?

Dude seems to have functional strength as a DT and that's about it. No impact at all. He seems to have about a five-yard circumference functional area.