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smoke4815162342
08-20-2011, 09:41 PM
Tebow will never see the day as Broncos Starting QB, and the franchise will live to regret it.

TheReverend
08-20-2011, 09:44 PM
Wouldn't ****ing surprise me.

bronco0608
08-20-2011, 09:46 PM
Don't lose all hope. I bet you he would make a great FB.

QB? Not so much. That is why he is third sting.

Hamrob
08-20-2011, 09:47 PM
Tebow will never see the day as Broncos Starting QB, and the franchise will live to regret it.I know that will be the case.

Tebow's agent will request a trade in the offseason. They've seen enough in Denver. Why waste 2 more years.

If a franchise would rather play Kyle Orton, then the best college football player ever, it's time to move on!

MacGruder
08-20-2011, 09:48 PM
It makes no sense though.. why did they try to protect him so much at the end of last season then throw him to the wolves now?

Was it ALL just a marketing stunt in order to keep fans interested in the team?

Early on in the offseason the word was the Broncos didn't want him.. then they said they were going forward with Tebow.. truly bizarre. It's almost like they are trying to piss him off..

Bob's your Information Minister
08-20-2011, 09:49 PM
It makes no sense though.. why did they try to protect him so much at the end of last season then throw him to the wolves now?

Um, hello?

Different regimes.

broncs2bowl
08-20-2011, 09:53 PM
It makes no sense though.. why did they try to protect him so much at the end of last season then throw him to the wolves now?

Was it ALL just a marketing stunt in order to keep fans interested in the team?

Early on in the offseason the word was the Broncos didn't want him.. then they said they were going forward with Tebow.. truly bizarre. It's almost like they are trying to piss him off..

Actually I think it was a very effective marketing scheme, keep the market rolling with Tebow....and when regular season time comes around and we can manage to win with Orton(or maybe even Quinn) the market keeps rolling.

Good business tactic if you ask me ;) ..... after all it IS a business

yerner
08-20-2011, 10:05 PM
You tebow dudes are overly dramatic. He will get his chance. Didn't Mcd sign Orton for this year? So even Mcd new Tebow would need more time. He was always supposed to be a project.

Hamrob
08-20-2011, 10:05 PM
What will burn them?

Orton and Quinn both suck as NFL starters
Tebow is done with this team...you could see it in his eyes. He's said it time and again, he wants a team that believes in him. The Denver Broncos obviously don't believe in him.

He's gone.

extralife
08-20-2011, 10:06 PM
so now Tim Tebow is a quitter?

Archer81
08-20-2011, 10:08 PM
Orton is gone in 2012. Tebow will be the future.

Everything else is just noise.

:Broncos:

Jesterhole
08-20-2011, 10:09 PM
I still say Tim showed more than enough in the final three games of last season to warrent development. We're going to lose Orton at any rate, and we aren't making a run this year. So why not take a chace and see if your once-in-a-generation college talent can translate that the to NFL?

I don't recall the game being too big or too fast for him last year.

Man-Goblin
08-20-2011, 10:10 PM
Lol @ you people. The dude has not looked ready, while the other two Qbs have looked very good.

It doesn't mean Tebow will suck forever.

It doesn't mean the coaching staff is being unfair (quite the opposite, actually).

You all are going to have to be patient. If Tebow turns out to be good, you're gonna have to wait at least a year or two. I just don't see why that's so bad.

MacGruder
08-20-2011, 10:10 PM
You tebow dudes are overly dramatic. He will get his chance. Didn't Mcd sign Orton for this year? So even Mcd new Tebow would need more time. He was always supposed to be a project.

McD said Tebow would end up starting a lot sooner than people thought.

extralife
08-20-2011, 10:12 PM
and then he signed Kyle Orton to a contract extension. an extension that pays him starter money this year. you know, the year that this preseason is a prelude to.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
08-20-2011, 10:13 PM
Tebow will never see the day as Broncos Starting QB, and the franchise will live to regret it.

Lets play this out. Teobow is never a starting QB of the Broncos. Are you or are you not a still a Broncos fan? If, yes, great! If, no, get the Efff out of here. You were never a Broncos fan. I'm sure there is a Tebow fan site where you can blow loads at.

razorwire77
08-20-2011, 10:16 PM
I think people are reading way too much into this. Yes, Tebow isn't going to start the season, but he's going to get spread option packages, goal line jumbo packages, wildcat packages etc. If the offense stalls under Orton, he'll get the hook after a few games. If I'm Tebow, I'm more worried that Brady Quinn might push Orton for 1st team reps. With the exception of that tip pass Quinn is throwing ****ing darts out there.

GoBroncos DownUnder
08-20-2011, 10:20 PM
Tebow's an awkward fit, I always looking at a player like Steve McNair, give him 2 years to get his study and game play up to the NFL level, THEN treat him like a starter.
Lucky we have a decent/reasonable 1st string QB at the moment. ;)

garandman
08-20-2011, 10:21 PM
Lets play this out. Teobow is never a starting QB of the Broncos. Are you or are you not a still a Broncos fan? If, yes, great! If, no, get the Efff out of here. You were never a Broncos fan. I'm sure there is a Tebow fan site where you can blow loads at.

Why all the hostility... I've been a Broncos fan for over 30 years. people were amped up when he played at the end of last year.. does everyone forget?? do u remember when elway brought you to your feet when he made miracles happen?? name one QB since he left that made your hair on the back of your neck stand up? nobody except 15 gave us a memory of what was like, he has a presence about him, some people just don't see it but I do... It's early but we might just be ruining a chance at a potential all star that someone else will reap the rewards...

MacGruder
08-20-2011, 10:23 PM
The thing that really really bugs me most about this is here you have a guy who would do anything for his team and is the ultimate class teammate.. and WTF do they do? They USE him.. LOL And they reward a Dbag like Orton..

And people wonder why everyone in sports is A-holes. Way to set the tone of leadership on your team.... and it seems the teammates embrace it. If they were good teammates they should be rioting how Tebow is being done right now...

MacGruder
08-20-2011, 10:26 PM
Tebow's an awkward fit, I always looking at a player like Steve McNair, give him 2 years to get his study and game play up to the NFL level, THEN treat him like a starter.
Lucky we have a decent/reasonable 1st string QB at the moment. ;)

It makes no sense though when you consider how well Vince Young played and he is a bonehead. Tebow was a much better player than him coming out of college.

I guess they are just trying to appease the fans with token wins or something because they lost so much last year.

smoke4815162342
08-20-2011, 10:27 PM
Lets play this out. Teobow is never a starting QB of the Broncos. Are you or are you not a still a Broncos fan? If, yes, great! If, no, get the Efff out of here. You were never a Broncos fan. I'm sure there is a Tebow fan site where you can blow loads at.

**** off b****, I was born and will die a broncos fan.


I think a boneheaded decision to resign Orton will be made, and he will never become a playmaker that the team needs to win playoff games. We will stay a mediocre team for a long time.

Man-Goblin
08-20-2011, 10:28 PM
It makes no sense though when you consider how well Vince Young played and he is a bonehead. Tebow was a much better player than him coming out of college.

I guess they are just trying to appease the fans with token wins or something because they lost so much last year.

I'll take some 'token wins' this year, please.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
08-20-2011, 10:36 PM
Why all the hostility... I've been a Broncos fan for over 30 years. people were amped up when he played at the end of last year.. does everyone forget?? do u remember when elway brought you to your feet when he made miracles happen?? name one QB since he left that made your hair on the back of your neck stand up? nobody except 15 gave us a memory of what was like, he has a presence about him, some people just don't see it but I do... It's early but we might just be ruining a chance at a potential all star that someone else will reap the rewards...

Look. Here is the totem poll of fan loyalty.

4.) Player
3.) Coach
2.) Owner
1.) Franchise

Players change like women change shoes. I can make the point for and against every QB the Broncos have had since Elway. But I'm not going to argue for a guy that hasn't even won the position in his coaches eyes win they have coaching tape to review. I'm not going to argue against coaches that know where each and every receiver is suppose to be and not fault the QB for not finding the open receiver. Look Elway had to win the trust of the coaches before getting on the field where he could get the chance to win our trust.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
08-20-2011, 10:37 PM
**** off b****, I was born and will die a broncos fan.


I think a boneheaded decision to resign Orton will be made, and he will never become a playmaker that the team needs to win playoff games. We will stay a mediocre team for a long time.

Hey if that is the case the you have nothing to worry about from me. Period. Done.

But if your agruing for a guy that has won the trust from the coaches first.

TheReverend
08-20-2011, 10:37 PM
Look. Here is the totem poll of fan loyalty.

4.) Player
3.) Coach
2.) Owner
1.) Franchise

Says who?

The totem poll of fan loyalty is:

1. Franchise
2. See #1

Period. Take your fan police **** elsewhere queer.

Gort
08-20-2011, 10:38 PM
It doesn't mean the coaching staff is being unfair (quite the opposite, actually).


Tebow got 8 snaps tonight by my count.

4 handoffs.
1 designed scramble.
3 passing plays - 1 completion, 1 that could have been a completion, and 1 sack.

hard to evaluate a QB on that. if Fox decides he's 3rd on the depth chart, don't expect him to get many/any snaps during the season, nor much coaching during practice, and he'll be gone at the end of the year. Quinn didn't get a fair shake with McD last year and it looks like Fox is going to give that same treatment to Tebow this year. that's not really the definition of fair. ultimately, if we are winning, Fox will be proved right and Tebow will end up elsewhere and all this will be forgotten in a few years. if we are losing, and Tebow still never sees action in the games, this could be a mistake that Fox and Elway never recover from...

smoke4815162342
08-20-2011, 10:40 PM
Hey if that is the case the you have nothing to worry about from me. Period. Done.

But if your agruing for a guy that has won the trust from the coaches first.

Right. Because we know coaches always make the correct decision.

Archer81
08-20-2011, 10:42 PM
And the wheel in the sky keeps on turning...


:Broncos:

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
08-20-2011, 10:47 PM
Right. Because we know coaches always make the correct decision.

And Fans make better decisions?

smoke4815162342
08-20-2011, 10:49 PM
And Fans make better decisions?

Never said that.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
08-20-2011, 10:51 PM
Never said that.

You're a fan. You've made the decision that Tebow should start.......

Phantom
08-20-2011, 10:52 PM
They're shopping Quinn and his return value is increasing. Tebow will be number 2. Alot of teams need QB help - depth.

Taco John
08-20-2011, 10:59 PM
Look. Here is the totem poll of fan loyalty.

4.) Player
3.) Coach
2.) Owner
1.) Franchise




lol wut!?

smoke4815162342
08-20-2011, 11:02 PM
You're a fan. You've made the decision that Tebow should start.......

No, I didn't. Your making things up.

MacGruder
08-20-2011, 11:03 PM
They're shopping Quinn and his return value is increasing. Tebow will be number 2. Alot of teams need QB help - depth.

Maybe they want to make sure Quinn can be a solid backup then trade Tebow.. I think that is more plausible.

But it still doesn't make sense why Quinn demanded a trade?

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
08-20-2011, 11:07 PM
No, I didn't. Your making things up.

What? Because you didn't use the exact words "Tebow should start". Keep trying.

smoke4815162342
08-20-2011, 11:09 PM
What? Because you didn't use the exact words "Tebow should start". Keep trying.

I've said multiple times on this forum that Orton should be the starter right now. Stop making assumptions.

cutthemdown
08-21-2011, 05:07 AM
Let me guess the poster is a FLA fan that decided to be a Bronco fan because of Tebow. Sorry buddy we pull for the uniform, we could care less who is in it. At least that is how I am. Orton looks better then Tebow, thats all there is too it. Until Orton loses and it's his fault I am not ready to say this is a bad move. The Broncos defense plays well and Orton could win a slew of games. I'm really excited about having Miller and Moore, and Doom back. Those are 3 big time players IMO and make us much better.

Agamemnon
08-21-2011, 05:19 AM
Look. Here is the totem poll of fan loyalty.

4.) Player
3.) Coach
2.) Owner
1.) Franchise

Players change like women change shoes. I can make the point for and against every QB the Broncos have had since Elway. But I'm not going to argue for a guy that hasn't even won the position in his coaches eyes win they have coaching tape to review. I'm not going to argue against coaches that know where each and every receiver is suppose to be and not fault the QB for not finding the open receiver. Look Elway had to win the trust of the coaches before getting on the field where he could get the chance to win our trust.

No, it's:

1) Franchise

The rest is all about how to make that one thing better. The way they are handling Tebow will not make it better. It will likely do the opposite.

HorseHead
08-21-2011, 05:25 AM
I wake up to find that we played pretty good, and the natives are still angry...

Don't get all the dramz...give it time gents...lets get to the regular season somewhat injury free....

Again, irregardless of one's QB loyalty, it's a loooonnngg season...it will be a different team in November...who knows what's going to happen...

Agamemnon
08-21-2011, 05:37 AM
I wake up to find that we played pretty good, and the natives are still angry...

Don't get all the dramz...give it time gents...lets get to the regular season somewhat injury free....

Again, irregardless of one's QB loyalty, it's a loooonnngg season...it will be a different team in November...who knows what's going to happen...

Completely undermining our 1st round QB > outplaying a crappy team in a meaningless game. Sorry.

HorseHead
08-21-2011, 05:44 AM
I just want to see improvement anyway possible....

I don't care if it's against the Toronto Argonauts...

Agamemnon
08-21-2011, 05:59 AM
I just want to see improvement anyway possible....

I don't care if it's against the Toronto Argonauts...

Until the regular season starts any perceived improvements have about as much value as dog fart.

srphoenix
08-21-2011, 06:17 AM
They're shopping Quinn and his return value is increasing. Tebow will be number 2. Alot of teams need QB help - depth.

I am almost thinking this as well, they know they can't keep 3 viable qbs and tebow is off limits so they're trying to make orton and Quinn look like superstars to try and deal one of them before the start of the season. At least I hope that's what they're doing because giving tebow 6 snaps in preseason isn't going to help him. It's funny, I watched superbowl 32 again the other day and elways resemblance to tebow was uncanny on several plays

gunns
08-21-2011, 07:14 AM
I know that will be the case.

Tebow's agent will request a trade in the offseason. They've seen enough in Denver. Why waste 2 more years.

If a franchise would rather play Kyle Orton, then the best college football player ever, it's time to move on!

Best? Oh c'mon. Then I guess we need to put Alex Smith right up there with him because his two years stats of play in college are about 1/2 of Tebow's 4They had the same coach. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Some college QB's that are considered the best of all time include Ty Detmer, Tommie Frazier, Charlie Ward, Danny Weurffel. It doesn't always transcend to the NFL. Some of the best option/run QB's in college were Vince Young, Brad Smith, Darian Hagan, Major Harris, Michael Vick. Vick finally figured out that you need to be a QB first and use the rush as an option and has found success.

I don't believe the franchise would rather play Orton, I don't believe they feel they have another option at this point. I also believe Tebow will get play time in the last 2 preseason games. With the problems this team has had do they have time to "develop' a first round pick?

smoke4815162342
08-21-2011, 08:15 AM
Let me guess the poster is a FLA fan that decided to be a Bronco fan because of Tebow. Sorry buddy we pull for the uniform, we could care less who is in it. At least that is how I am. Orton looks better then Tebow, thats all there is too it. Until Orton loses and it's his fault I am not ready to say this is a bad move. The Broncos defense plays well and Orton could win a slew of games. I'm really excited about having Miller and Moore, and Doom back. Those are 3 big time players IMO and make us much better.

**** you, dumb bitch. Stop being a lazy jackass, and read the rest of thread before making this kind of accusation.

Jesterhole
08-21-2011, 08:20 AM
Says who?

The totem poll of fan loyalty is:

1. Franchise
2. See #1

Period. Take your fan police **** elsewhere queer.

lol, agreed. The favorite thing this board likes to do is question your loyalty as a fan. These are the same D-bags who called out everyone who hated McDaniels after the Cutler ordeal...

theAPAOps5
08-21-2011, 08:30 AM
**** you, dumb b****. Stop being a lazy jackass, and read the rest of thread before making this kind of accusation.

Why so angry?

Broncos4tw
08-21-2011, 08:32 AM
It makes no sense though.. why did they try to protect him so much at the end of last season then throw him to the wolves now?

Was it ALL just a marketing stunt in order to keep fans interested in the team?

Early on in the offseason the word was the Broncos didn't want him.. then they said they were going forward with Tebow.. truly bizarre. It's almost like they are trying to piss him off..

Yea.. it's some secret agenda. It has nothing to do with the fact that Tebow is the third best QB playing right now.. that would make too much sense.

While some of you may think that this years team is some sort of experiment to get better, the coaches and ownership are playing to win EVERY YEAR. No matter what personnel we have. They will do what they feel will produce the most wins for the team. It really is just that simple.

Dedhed
08-21-2011, 08:33 AM
Look. Here is the totem poll of fan loyalty.

4.) Player
3.) Coach
2.) Owner
1.) Franchise


Exactly. Starting Orton is the worst possible thing for the #1, IMO.

smoke4815162342
08-21-2011, 08:34 AM
Why so angry?

I don't like when people totally make something up, and make false accusations because they want belittle someone instead of reading.

bronco610
08-21-2011, 08:42 AM
I don't like when people totally make something up, and make false accusations because they want belittle someone instead of reading.

If you are that sensitive you will never make it on the Mane !!!

Rock Chalk
08-21-2011, 08:50 AM
Says who?

The totem poll of fan loyalty is:

1. Franchise
2. See #1

Period. Take your fan police **** elsewhere queer.

Hobo's totem is at least right.

2. See #1
1. Franchise

Most important things are on the bottoms of totem poles :)

smoke4815162342
08-21-2011, 08:50 AM
If you are that sensitive you will never make it on the Mane !!!

its not sensitivity. Its when a lazy dumbass who won't use the scroll feature goes around making false accusations and pretends that there is strictly only tebow fans or bronco fans.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
08-21-2011, 08:52 AM
No, it's:

1) Franchise

The rest is all about how to make that one thing better. The way they are handling Tebow will not make it better. It will likely do the opposite.

Right. But to ofton I read here"I want player 'a' because...." Then not provide one shred of football wisdom.

Rock Chalk
08-21-2011, 08:52 AM
its not sensitivity. Its when a lazy dumbass goes around making false accusations.

Tebow's a Heisman bust. Let some other team figure it out.

CEH
08-21-2011, 08:53 AM
My question centers more around the head coach and what he may be thinking right now. What type of guarantee does Fox have from Elway that if Tebow starts and they go 4-12 after Fox's 2-14 the year before that Fox is not on the hot seat in '12. Fox is pretty savvy and I have to believe he knows an NFL locker room and Tebow is not even close to Orton just based on the eye ball test in practice. I think Fox is looking to not follow up a 2-14 with a 4-12 season with OTJ training for Tebow. Fox had to have these types of conversations prior to accepting the job. NFL coaches/FO aren't wired to think like the fans.

Denver724
08-21-2011, 08:55 AM
Tebow will never see the day as Broncos Starting QB, and the franchise will live to regret it.

In the big scheme of things not a huge deal. Yeah, just another wasted pick by McD (his two draft classes may go down as the worst ever by any team). At least Tebow wasn't a real high pick. He will be a back up for us and then become a FA. Broncos need to identify this right away and move on quickly. Elway won't let this fester. He can make a decision. I am sure of that.

smoke4815162342
08-21-2011, 08:56 AM
My question centers more around the head coach and what he may be thinking right now. What type of guarantee does Fox have from Elway that if Tebow starts and they go 4-12 after Fox's 2-14 the year before that Fox is not on the hot seat in '12. Fox is pretty savvy and I have to believe he knows an NFL locker room and Tebow is not even close to Orton just based on the eye ball test in practice. I think Fox is looking to not follow up a 2-14 with a 4-12 season with OTJ training for Tebow. Fox had to have these types of conversations prior to accepting the job. NFL coaches/FO aren't wired to think like the fans.

But then why were they doing everything they could to trade kyle orton? And that was at a time before they saw improvements in brady quinn.

gunns
08-21-2011, 09:19 AM
Lets play this out. Teobow is never a starting QB of the Broncos. Are you or are you not a still a Broncos fan? If, yes, great! If, no, get the Efff out of here. You were never a Broncos fan. I'm sure there is a Tebow fan site where you can blow loads at.

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Dedhed
08-21-2011, 09:23 AM
Right. But to ofton I read here"I want player 'a' because...." Then not provide one shred of football wisdom.

I want Tebow to start because he scored more points than Orton. More points=more wins.

I could be wrong here, but aren't more wins better for a franchise?

Agamemnon
08-21-2011, 09:25 AM
I want Tebow to start because he scored more points than Orton. More points=more wins.

I could be wrong here, but aren't more wins better for a franchise?

I think you are confused. The Broncos aren't really interested in winning games anymore. They just don't want to lose them...

Agamemnon
08-21-2011, 09:27 AM
Right. But to ofton I read here"I want player 'a' because...." Then not provide one shred of football wisdom.

Plenty of reasons have been given by people for why they want Tebow to get a shot, and why they are sick of Orton and his failures. I'm not sure what you are looking for.

BroncoSexyDaddy
08-21-2011, 09:28 AM
Its a great problem to have with Tebow.I expect Orton to gone next season and we have Quinn and Tebow.We have a lot of options going into the draft,it won't be an urgent need to select Luck.

Agamemnon
08-21-2011, 09:29 AM
Tebow's a Heisman bust. Let some other team figure it out.

His second season hasn't even started yet, and he's yet to have a truly bad game in the pros yet he's already a bust...

Were you dropped on your head as a child?

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
08-21-2011, 09:29 AM
But then why were they doing everything they could to trade kyle orton? And that was at a time before they saw improvements in brady quinn.

Broncos never tried to trade Orton. Orton requested a trade away from the Broncos at the end of the season. The only reason that kept Orton here was that Orton over estimated his own worth and wanted starter money and the Dolphins or any other team were not going to pay that kind of money. While the Broncos do want top value for Orton in the range of a 2nd round pick, are also willing to keep Orton to go, all be it boring, possible 8-8 then go, more fun, 6-10 with Tebow (from the Dave Logan show).

Agamemnon
08-21-2011, 09:29 AM
Its a great problem to have with Tebow.I expect Orton to gone next season and we have Quinn and Tebow.We have a lot of options going into the draft,it won't be an urgent need to select Luck.

Quinn is gone next season as well I believe.

Dedhed
08-21-2011, 09:30 AM
I think you are confused. The Broncos aren't really interested in winning games anymore.

They certainly seem more interested in a pretty, ineffective, style of offense than they do in the bottom line. Seems a lot of people are that way around here.

I haven't heard one explanation as to why Orton gives us a better chance to win now despite Tebow clearly giving us a better chance when he was named starter last year.

Dedhed
08-21-2011, 09:32 AM
Broncos never tried to trade Orton.
Yeah, ok

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
08-21-2011, 09:33 AM
Its a great problem to have with Tebow.I expect Orton to gone next season and we have Quinn and Tebow.We have a lot of options going into the draft,it won't be an urgent need to select Luck.

I think this is Quinn's last year of his contract also. Again eff you very much McDip$h!t. God I hate mcDanials!

Agamemnon
08-21-2011, 09:35 AM
They certainly seem more interested in a pretty, ineffective, style of offense than they do in the bottom line. Seems a lot of people are that way around here.

I haven't heard one explanation as to why Orton gives us a better chance to win now despite Tebow clearly giving us a better chance when he was named starter last year.

Because he practices better, and his lack of mobility and phantom sacks won't hurt us at all.

Oh and because he's a refined pocket passer and Tebow is glorified fullback.

And the Bears won some games with him on their roster once upon a time. I nearly forgot that.

Yeah, that's why.

smoke4815162342
08-21-2011, 09:36 AM
Broncos never tried to trade Orton. Orton requested a trade away from the Broncos at the end of the season. The only reason that kept Orton here was that Orton over estimated his own worth and wanted starter money and the Dolphins or any other team were not going to pay that kind of money. While the Broncos do want top value for Orton in the range of a 2nd round pick, are also willing to keep Orton to go, all be it boring, possible 8-8 then go, more fun, 6-10 with Tebow (from the Dave Logan show).

If the broncos never tried to trade Orton, then contract talks with another franchise would never have happened. The Dolphins would not be allowed to talk about a new contract with Kyle Orton's agent if the broncos were looking to trade him. Teams can't do that with a guy who is under contract with another team, unless they have been given permission.

Denver724
08-21-2011, 09:37 AM
I think this is Quinn's last year of his contract also. Again eff you very much McDip$h!t. God I hate mcDanials!

McD may go down as the worst hires ever when taking into account the players he got rid of and the ones he brought in. I can't think of another that was as bad.

Gort
08-21-2011, 09:43 AM
McD may go down as the worst hires ever when taking into account the players he got rid of and the ones he brought in. I can't think of another that was as bad.

Ditka traded his entire draft for Ricky Williams in NO. that was pretty bad.

Cito Pelon
08-21-2011, 09:44 AM
You tebow dudes are overly dramatic. He will get his chance. Didn't Mcd sign Orton for this year? So even Mcd new Tebow would need more time. He was always supposed to be a project.

I may be the only "Tebow dude" that is NOT overly dramatic. I loved me some Tebow last season, but it's clear he's not ready to start.

This "JUST CUT HIM OR TRADE HIM AND LET HIM SHOW HIS GAME ELSEWHERE" stuff is getting annoying. I'd like to see him on the roster next season after he's had another year to refine his QB skills. This is just not his year, period.

Dedhed
08-21-2011, 09:46 AM
McD may go down as the worst hires ever when taking into account the players he got rid of and the ones he brought in. I can't think of another that was as bad.

You've already forgotten Shanny? He was a better coach, but worse when it came to player moves than McD.

Tombstone RJ
08-21-2011, 09:46 AM
Tebow will never see the day as Broncos Starting QB, and the franchise will live to regret it.

My gut feeling, you are way overreacting to a preseason game.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
08-21-2011, 10:07 AM
If the broncos never tried to trade Orton, then contract talks with another franchise would never have happened. The Dolphins would not be allowed to talk about a new contract with Kyle Orton's agent if the broncos were looking to trade him. Teams can't do that with a guy who is under contract with another team, unless they have been given permission.

Was I the only one that read the denver post article? Please, someone post the article.

smoke4815162342
08-21-2011, 10:17 AM
Was I the only one that read the denver post article? Please, someone post the article.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18583140

"The Broncos' front office set out to appease Orton."

"While Broncos players "voluntarily" reported to the team's headquarters Tuesday, Orton stayed behind as he and his agent David Dunn negotiated with the Dolphins."

"On Tuesday night, Orton and the Dolphins were close to an agreement, according to sources, when the Dolphins started having second thoughts."

"Meanwhile, talks between the Broncos and Dolphins and Dunn were revived Wednesday morning. Talks got serious for several hours, but again terms of a restructured contract could not be reached."

The Dolphins are not allowed to discuss a new contract with Orton's Agent unless the Broncos have given permission because they are trying to trade him.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
08-21-2011, 10:57 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18583140

"The Broncos' front office set out to appease Orton."

"While Broncos players "voluntarily" reported to the team's headquarters Tuesday, Orton stayed behind as he and his agent David Dunn negotiated with the Dolphins."

"On Tuesday night, Orton and the Dolphins were close to an agreement, according to sources, when the Dolphins started having second thoughts."

"Meanwhile, talks between the Broncos and Dolphins and Dunn were revived Wednesday morning. Talks got serious for several hours, but again terms of a restructured contract could not be reached."

The Dolphins are not allowed to discuss a new contract with Orton's Agent unless the Broncos have given permission because they are trying to trade him.

From the article:
It began with Orton requesting a trade shortly after the 2010 season. He didn't want to leave the Broncos, but he had either sensed, or been led to believe, that the team would be going forward with Tim Tebow as the starting quarterback this season.

Orton wanted to be traded.
Orton had been playing for "backup" quarterback money for five years. (He made $2.6 million last year.) With an $8.8 million contract coming his way this year and unrestricted free agency seven months away, he didn't want to surrender free agent years for a pay cut.
Orton didn't want to take a pay cut. That's why the 'fin got cold feet.

The deal appeared dead before it even reached the discussion regarding compensation. Contrary to several reports suggesting the hang-up to the deal was about draft pick compensation, the Broncos never made an offer. There was no bluffing or waiting on the Dolphins to meet the Broncos' demand. It never got that far. The Broncos never made an offer. The trade never got past Orton's contract.

The deal was never called off because of the Broncos.

smoke4815162342
08-21-2011, 11:01 AM
From the article:


Orton wanted to be traded.

Orton didn't want to take a pay cut. That's why the 'fin got cold feet.



The deal was never called off because of the Broncos.


What?

You were just saying the Broncos never tried to trade Orton... Their actions were the complete opposite. They tried to trade him, but couldn't find a partner.

Aftermath
08-21-2011, 11:03 AM
Tebow will never see the day as Broncos Starting QB, and the franchise will live to regret it.

100 post rule? Oh and grow the f&@k up you baby.