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garandman
08-20-2011, 09:37 PM
Ok, wth!!
even the Tebow haters have to be scratching their heads, how r they being fair in giving him a chance?!
I'm so pissed that we r going to give this guy away and he will be a rockstar for another team as we sit at the bottom looking up

gunns
08-20-2011, 09:38 PM
He'll probably have significant time in the last two games.

DrFate
08-20-2011, 09:40 PM
He'll probably have significant time in the last two games.

I'm willing to bet he doesn't.

GreatBronco16
08-20-2011, 09:41 PM
He'll probably have significant time in the last two games.

Even if he does, it's not going to change anything. No matter how he plays.

bronco0608
08-20-2011, 09:42 PM
Tebow is a third string QB talent wise. Why the fuss?

Tim
08-20-2011, 09:42 PM
I'm willing to bet he doesn't.

I'll bet you he plays a lot vs arizona if you want.

Steve Sewell
08-20-2011, 09:42 PM
I'm willing to bet he doesn't.

I agree. I guarantee all the talk will be about Brady Quinn having a great game this week and Tebow will get 3rd string snaps for the rest of the preseason.

bronco0608
08-20-2011, 09:42 PM
Let's move Tebow to fullback and get some action out of him. He is not an NFL starting caliber QB.

epicSocialism4tw
08-20-2011, 09:44 PM
Let's move Tebow to fullback and get some action out of him. He is not an NFL starting caliber QB.

Go away troll.

razorwire77
08-20-2011, 09:45 PM
http://www.maniacworld.com/bad-predictions/atom-bomb-explosion.jpg

DrFate
08-20-2011, 09:47 PM
I'll bet you he plays a lot vs arizona if you want.

I'll bet you he doesn't get 10 more attempts the rest of the preseason. Tebow was 5 of 6 in his first pre-season appearance - and then he's sent into exile. There never was any competition.

Aftermath
08-20-2011, 09:49 PM
This whole QB controversy is honestly so f&&king annoying. I like how the Broncos never get big media attention from the nation. I am a HUGE Florida Gators fan and even a bigger Broncos fan, and I LOVE Tim Tebow, but honestly I almost feel like its time to get rid of this kid. There are WAYYYYYYYYYYYY TOO many people that are JUST Tebow fans and they make no sense most of the time. This is an awful situation, except for the fact that all 3 of our qb's are doing pretty damn good so far, but the fans are making this hell.

Jesterhole
08-20-2011, 09:50 PM
Meh, we'll see what happens next week. I think the media and people here are making too much noise about who starts where this week. Tebow started last week, and so Brady gets the reps tonight. So what? Neither of them are going to unseat Captain Practice Field, it'll take 7-8 games in before we all remember what a pathetic piece of crap Orton is.

spdirty
08-20-2011, 09:50 PM
Quinn is the second best qb on this roster. And that's that. When Orton goes down I'd rather see Quinn in there. Tebow is 2-3 years away at least.

go_broncos
08-20-2011, 09:53 PM
Meh, we'll see what happens next week. I think the media and people here are making too much noise about who starts where this week. Tebow started last week, and so Brady gets the reps tonight. So what? Neither of them are going to unseat Captain Practice Field, it'll take 7-8 games in before we all remember what a pathetic piece of crap Orton is.

:giggle:

troya900
08-20-2011, 09:53 PM
Quinn is the second best qb on this roster. And that's that. When Orton goes down I'd rather see Quinn in there. Tebow is 2-3 years away at least.

Quinn's better than cinderblock man who has no one near him and takes a sack in the fetal position.

Archer81
08-20-2011, 09:53 PM
Let's move Tebow to fullback and get some action out of him. He is not an NFL starting caliber QB.


So lets move him to a position being phased out of most offenses.

Good plan.

:Broncos:

TheReverend
08-20-2011, 09:54 PM
Meh, we'll see what happens next week. I think the media and people here are making too much noise about who starts where this week. Tebow started last week, and so Brady gets the reps tonight. So what? Neither of them are going to unseat Captain Practice Field, it'll take 7-8 games in before we all remember what a pathetic piece of crap Orton is.

Yeah no.

Quinn got the lion's share of PT as the "#3".

This week, Tebow got 1.5 series and dominantly hand offs.

troya900
08-20-2011, 09:56 PM
Yeah no.

Quinn got the lion's share of PT as the "#3".

This week, Tebow got 1.5 series and dominantly hand offs.

Exactly, if Quinn had playing time in the Dallas game like Tebow had tonight, we'd all be saying how Quinn sucks bad considering how Quinn's first series went in the Dallas game.

Bob's your Information Minister
08-20-2011, 09:56 PM
http://i51.tinypic.com/muhpb9.jpg

Prodigal19
08-20-2011, 09:59 PM
This team has so many good things going for it right now. Its too bad that the battle for the backup QB spot has to overshadow everything else. Its time for Tebow fans to get off their high horses and realize that he will not be starting this year. Root for the god damn team and stop creating pointless controversy.

Hamrob
08-20-2011, 10:00 PM
Let's move Tebow to fullback and get some action out of him. He is not an NFL starting caliber QB.Who the hell are you? What the hell do you know about NFL starting QB's.

Why don't you ask Steve Young about Tebow?

DrFate
08-20-2011, 10:00 PM
This team has so many good things going for it right now.

After a HOME PRESEASON win against a LOUSY team...

Seems a little overstated

:thumbsup:

Steve Sewell
08-20-2011, 10:01 PM
Meh, we'll see what happens next week. I think the media and people here are making too much noise about who starts where this week. Tebow started last week, and so Brady gets the reps tonight. So what? Neither of them are going to unseat Captain Practice Field, it'll take 7-8 games in before we all remember what a pathetic piece of crap Orton is.


Rep

Hamrob
08-20-2011, 10:01 PM
Quinn throws an INT in the red zone. Lovely!

troya900
08-20-2011, 10:04 PM
This team has so many good things going for it right now. Its too bad that the battle for the backup QB spot has to overshadow everything else. Its time for Tebow fans to get off their high horses and realize that he will not be starting this year. Root for the god damn team and stop creating pointless controversy.

I'd be happy if Quinn got the starting nod and Tebow backed him up. We know what we get with cinderblock man... decent play between the 20's, goes into choke mode when the pressure is on and has a bunch of phantom sacks sprinkled throughout the game.. bright future this year will be...:thumbsup:

razorwire77
08-20-2011, 10:04 PM
loud noises

DarkHorse30
08-20-2011, 10:09 PM
Fox will play the best guy. He has NOTHING invested in any player of our offense, and I think he will let the OC and DC do their jobs. Great to watch Denver get better and actually be fun to watch......except I couldn't get the game tonight, have to wait til tomorrow on NFLn.

TailgateNut
08-20-2011, 10:38 PM
Tebow is a third string QB talent wise. Why the fuss?


This has been evident in camp and on the field. There's a reason he's 3rd string and maybe lucky to not be 4th.

HAT
08-20-2011, 10:47 PM
Yeah no.

Quinn got the lion's share of PT as the "#3".

This week, Tebow got 1.5 series and dominantly hand offs.

You're better than that Rev.

Forget about the names on the jerseys and realize that tonight....

#1 QB got 3 drives.
#2 QB came in with 2:06 left and mopped up the 1H
#2 QB got 3 drives in the 3rd Q
#3 QB got the first drive of the 4th Q

In comparison:

Week 1 of NFLX saw.....

#1 QB got 1 drive
#2 QB got 4 drives in the 1st H
#3 QB got 2 drives in the 3Q and stayed in to mop up 2 more in the 4th.

That's just the way sh*t works from week to week in NFLX.
Starter goes longer in week 2.

Essentially, Quinn & Tebow have both gotten 5 'meaningful' drives thus far. (Read: not 4th Q)

My Guess is that Orton plays the entire half next week, Tebow gets the 3Q & Quinn the 4th.

Week 4 will see Orton play one drive, Tebow then finishes the half, Quinn & Weber (if he's still around) mop up the 2nd half.

Tebow and Quinn bounced around between #2 & #3 all last year, no? WGAFF who is actually listed where outside of #1?

troya900
08-20-2011, 10:54 PM
You're better than that Rev.

Forget about the names on the jerseys and realize that tonight....

#1 QB got 3 drives.
#2 QB came in with 2:06 left and mopped up the 1H
#2 QB got 3 drives in the 3rd Q
#3 QB got the first drive of the 4th Q

In comparison:

Week 1 of NFLX saw.....

#1 QB got 1 drive
#2 QB got 4 drives in the 1st H
#3 QB got 2 drives in the 3Q and stayed in to mop up 2 more in the 4th.

That's just the way sh*t works from week to week in NFLX.
Starter goes longer in week 2.

Essentially, Quinn & Tebow have both gotten 5 'meaningful' drives thus far. (Read: not 4th Q)

My Guess is that Orton plays the entire half next week, Tebow gets the 3Q & Quinn the 4th.

Week 4 will see Orton play one drive, Tebow then finishes the half, Quinn & Weber (if he's still around) mop up the 2nd half.

Tebow and Quinn bounced around between #2 & #3 all last year, no? WGAFF who is actually listed where outside of #1?

So essentially you're saying Tebow got 5 drives and Quinn got 8 drives, but it all equals out to 5 meaningful drives a piece? :thumbsup:

BigPlayShay
08-20-2011, 11:09 PM
http://i51.tinypic.com/muhpb9.jpg

You took a screenshot of another teams message board at almost 3AM. Congrats!

baja
08-20-2011, 11:16 PM
This team has so many good things going for it right now. Its too bad that the battle for the backup QB spot has to overshadow everything else. Its time for Tebow fans to get off their high horses and realize that he will not be starting this year. Root for the god damn team and stop creating pointless controversy.

Look what showed up on the current OM a reasonable post. rep

SonOfLe-loLang
08-20-2011, 11:22 PM
Just because he isn't starting, why do people jump to "getting rid of him." He can still be a dangerous weapon in spots, ESPECIALLY on the goal line. He's the best goalline threat in the league

HAT
08-20-2011, 11:22 PM
So essentially you're saying Tebow got 5 drives and Quinn got 8 drives, but it all equals out to 5 meaningful drives a piece? :thumbsup:

It's actually Tebow 6 to Quinn 7....And what I'm saying, essentially, is that y'all are ****tards if you're gonna be bitter at how the drives & game situations played out.

Ever stop to thing that maybe the coaching staff downgrades Quinn for MORE drives because his he didn't move the chains.

Emo bitches, the lot of you.

NFLBRONCO
08-20-2011, 11:24 PM
Fox will play the best guy. He has NOTHING invested in any player of our offense, and I think he will let the OC and DC do their jobs. Great to watch Denver get better and actually be fun to watch......except I couldn't get the game tonight, have to wait til tomorrow on NFLn.

TY FO did not draft Tebow right there is a huge difference in being their guy vs the guy that is FO inherited. So imo its more likely he isn't our longterm answer and will not be shocked if he's gone we'll see.

broncocalijohn
08-20-2011, 11:37 PM
Let's move Tebow to fullback and get some action out of him. He is not an NFL starting caliber QB.

He is destined to be the Wild Horse specialist for the broncos. He will clean up before Ortoncant finish the job. Match made in heaven.

troya900
08-20-2011, 11:48 PM
It's actually Tebow 6 to Quinn 7....And what I'm saying, essentially, is that y'all are ****tards if you're gonna be bitter at how the drives & game situations played out.

Ever stop to thing that maybe the coaching staff downgrades Quinn for MORE drives because his he didn't move the chains.

Emo b****es, the lot of you.

If you want to be technical about it actually Quinn has had 9 drives and Tebow has had 6 (could argue 5.5 considering they yanked him on the last drive after a couple of handoffs and a scramble for a first down).

And by the way I'm not against Quinn in any way, read my post above. It's Cinderblockman I have problem with and his mediocre play we've put up with the last two years.

MacGruder
08-21-2011, 12:16 AM
This is so freakin crazy.. all Tebow needs is to get on the field.. I figured that would come when Orton got injured 4 games in.. now Tebow has to go through TWO losers just to get on the field and finally prove himself.. It's ridiculous.

vancejohnson82
08-21-2011, 01:53 AM
After a HOME PRESEASON win against a LOUSY team...

Seems a little overstated

:thumbsup:

wow...you've become a bit of a downer this season

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-21-2011, 02:05 AM
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Agamemnon
08-21-2011, 03:46 AM
So Tebow has now had nine preseason pass attempts to Quinn's 27 and Orton's 19. Something just doesn't seem right about that...

cutthemdown
08-21-2011, 04:23 AM
You earn your playing time in practice. If Tebow 3rd string its because the other qbs play better then he does. I know it stinks, I want Tebow to be awesome as well, i love the guy, but Orton looks really good.

Agamemnon
08-21-2011, 04:28 AM
You earn your playing time in practice. If Tebow 3rd string its because the other qbs play better then he does. I know it stinks, I want Tebow to be awesome as well, i love the guy, but Orton looks really good.

Tebow went 6-7 for 91 yards in the first preseason game, and was then demoted to 3rd string and only allowed to throw two times.

Please give your rhetoric a rest. Anyone who has even the slightest capacity for critical thought can see that this isn't about performance. This is something else entirely.

cutthemdown
08-21-2011, 04:48 AM
Tebow went 6-7 for 91 yards in the first preseason game, and was then demoted to 3rd string and only allowed to throw two times.

Please give your rhetoric a rest. Anyone who has even the slightest capacity for critical thought can see that this isn't about performance. This is something else entirely.

I thought Tebow looked out of control in that Dallas game. He settled down and made a couple nice throws but he holds the ball too long, and just doesn't make quick decisions like Orton. I do think though Tebow will get some more time in the next preseason game.

You are right though it could be about more then just how he looks throwing the ball. It could be that he doesn't test out as good on the x's and o's. I doubt though it is anything personal, or non football related.

MagicHef
08-21-2011, 05:08 AM
Any chance they're showcasing Quinn?

Probably not, but it would make it interesting.

Agamemnon
08-21-2011, 05:14 AM
I thought Tebow looked out of control in that Dallas game.

Out of control QBs don't go 6-7 for 91 yards. ::)

I honestly don't think you understand how much ego is involved in the decision processes of this game, and how often guys get screwed because they aren't the current regime's "guy".

TailgateNut
08-21-2011, 05:17 AM
Tebow went 6-7 for 91 yards in the first preseason game, and was then demoted to 3rd string and only allowed to throw two times.

Please give your rhetoric a rest. Anyone who has even the slightest capacity for critical thought can see that this isn't about performance. This is something else entirely.


Talk about capacity for critical thought. If you could stop carrying Tebows jock you might be able to come to the conclusion that this IS about performance, or lack thereof. You guys are so butthurt that you don't get to see Timmy play. Newsflash: you'll see him play if he earns time on the field.

cutthemdown
08-21-2011, 05:25 AM
Out of control QBs don't go 6-7 for 91 yards. ::)

I honestly don't think you understand how much ego is involved in the decision processes of this game, and how often guys get screwed because they aren't the current regime's "guy".

Well Orton Quinn and Tebow are all Mcd's guys. Why would they single out one of his guys and love the others? Hell we traded Cutler for Orton and a couple picks so not like he wasn't MCD's guy. He was handpicked by MCD to start for the Broncos.

Agamemnon
08-21-2011, 05:33 AM
Well Orton Quinn and Tebow are all Mcd's guys. Why would they single out one of his guys and love the others? Hell we traded Cutler for Orton and a couple picks so not like he wasn't MCD's guy. He was handpicked by MCD to start for the Broncos.

Because Orton and Quinn are traditional pocket passers? Because they can play them without any great fear of the fans growing too attached so they can draft their guy next season? You can't play a guy like Tebow if you ultimately want to go another direction in a year. There's just too much risk of a fan revolt if you do. On the other hand if you actively create the perception that he isn't very good, and undermine him by not letting him pass or compete, then you can go after someone else and most fans will shrug and go along with it.

If EFX wants someone else ultimately they can't risk Tebow having more games like the Houston game last year. At that point Tebow's popularity would snowball, and that would force them to go against the fans to follow whatever plan they have, and they really would prefer to not have to do that.

cutthemdown
08-21-2011, 05:35 AM
I like Tebow and don't want to start trying to say he's not as good as Orton. He will probably end up better then Orton someday but I tend to not get too excited about the depth chart. If Fox/Elway/all the asst coaches, Brandon Lloyd all think Orton should start I will just sit back and watch and see how it works out. Tebows mechanics look a little off to me, he holds ball too long, he runs in a manner that will create tons of collisions, and I think that makes coaches nervous.

Remember though Fox has a history of playing a lot of different qbs. He's not afraid to yank the starter at halftime. He believes in the hot hand. If Broncos aren't moving the ball, and Orton is struggling, you will see Quinn or Tebow. If you don't see them it means Orton played well and that would be good with you right?

cutthemdown
08-21-2011, 05:37 AM
Because Orton and Quinn are traditional pocket passers? Because they can play them without any great fear of the fans growing too attached so they can draft their guy next season? You can't play a guy like Tebow if you ultimately want to go another direction in a year. There's just too much risk of a fan revolt if you do. On the other hand if you actively create the perception that he isn't very good, and undermine him by not letting him pass or compete, then you can go after someone else and most fans will shrug and go along with it.

If EFX wants someone else ultimately they can't risk Tebow having more games like the Houston game last year. At that point Tebow's popularity would snowball, and that would force them to go against the fans to follow whatever plan they have, and they really would prefer to not have to do that.

Tebow would only be popular if he won. All Fox wants to do is win. So you are saying they are afraid Tebow would be soo good, the fans would love him, and then they can't get rid of him? That seems crazy to me not rational.

Agamemnon
08-21-2011, 05:48 AM
Tebow would only be popular if he won. All Fox wants to do is win. So you are saying they are afraid Tebow would be soo good, the fans would love him, and then they can't get rid of him? That seems crazy to me not rational.

You clearly don't get it. Tebow's ability to do what he did in Houston is there for all to see. That hasn't moved Fox or Elway. The reason for that is obvious. They don't believe that equates to long-term success or championships. They believe that being a picture-perfect pocket passer > ability to will a team to an improbable win or make improbable plays. Yet they also are aware that fans will fall in love with those things and react poorly when they go a different direction. So they have decided to keep Tebow off the field altogether to avoid the situation.

They have no faith in Tebow as a QB, but they know the draw of Tebow as a playmaker could make things difficult for them and their long-term plans.

Agamemnon
08-21-2011, 05:53 AM
I like Tebow and don't want to start trying to say he's not as good as Orton. He will probably end up better then Orton someday but I tend to not get too excited about the depth chart. If Fox/Elway/all the asst coaches, Brandon Lloyd all think Orton should start I will just sit back and watch and see how it works out. Tebows mechanics look a little off to me, he holds ball too long, he runs in a manner that will create tons of collisions, and I think that makes coaches nervous.

Remember though Fox has a history of playing a lot of different qbs. He's not afraid to yank the starter at halftime. He believes in the hot hand. If Broncos aren't moving the ball, and Orton is struggling, you will see Quinn or Tebow. If you don't see them it means Orton played well and that would be good with you right?

I'm not "good" with Orton on this team. Period. What he's doing now is what he's done over and over: look good when it doesn't really matter. When it does matter? Yeah that's a different story.

The competition should be between Tebow and Quinn, and Orton should be on Miami or some other wretched QB black hole.

Rock Chalk
08-21-2011, 09:09 AM
Hahaha Agamemnon and MacGruder are two douches of the same pea pod.

And when Teblow gets 0 PT in game 3, they are going to blow a gasket and it is going to be epic.

Dedhed
08-21-2011, 09:14 AM
Quinn is the second best qb on this roster. And that's that. When Orton goes down I'd rather see Quinn in there. Tebow is 2-3 years away at least.

How do you reconcile that with him being more effective than Orton as a starter last year?

Agamemnon
08-21-2011, 09:22 AM
Hahaha Agamemnon and MacGruder are two douches of the same pea pod.

And when Teblow gets 0 PT in game 3, they are going to blow a gasket and it is going to be epic.

There's only so much of your drivel a person can take. Honestly you are such a wretched poster it boggles my mind. Thank you for lowering my already abysmal opinion of the human race...

broncocalijohn
08-21-2011, 10:08 AM
^ well, rock chalk couldn't lower your IQ anymore. You do that fine on your own with wvery post. You actually think it is a conspiracy. Yes, fox and company are purpposely tanking this season.

Agamemnon
08-21-2011, 10:12 AM
^ well, rock chalk couldn't lower your IQ anymore. You do that fine on your own with wvery post. You actually think it is a conspiracy. Yes, fox and company are purpposely tanking this season.

When did I say that genius? They are doing the opposite. They are trying to milk extra wins out of a bad team for no real long-term gain, and worst of all they are trying to do it with a loser at QB.

Tombstone RJ
08-21-2011, 10:24 AM
this game is great film on Quinn... hopefully a desperate team who needs a QB will want to trade for Quinn, who is on the last year of a 5 year rookie contract... just saying...

Agamemnon
08-21-2011, 10:28 AM
this game is great film on Quinn... hopefully a desperate team who needs a QB will want to trade for Quinn, who is on the last year of a 5 year rookie contract... just saying...

Trading Quinn and keeping Orton seems absolutely crazy to me. One of the two appears to be on an upward trend and it isn't Orton.

barryr
08-21-2011, 10:35 AM
I would say the Broncos wanted to see how Quinn plays with better talent around him and against better talent on defense. How can they know what he can really do and if they want to maybe re-sign him if he only plays with and against scrubs? Or like some have speculated, maybe help push trade values up so if a team calls for a trade, the Broncos have all their options in place and can make a better judgement on it than simply having to guess.

Tombstone RJ
08-21-2011, 10:37 AM
Trading Quinn and keeping Orton seems absolutely crazy to me. One of the two appears to be on an upward trend and it isn't Orton.

Quinn is a 5 year vet, I'd hope he'd be panning out after 5 freaking years... he's still young (so is Orton) so who knows?

Tombstone RJ
08-21-2011, 10:38 AM
I would say the Broncos wanted to see how Quinn plays with better talent around him and against better talent on defense. How can they know what he can really do and if they want to maybe re-sign him if he only plays with and against scrubs? Or like some have speculated, maybe help push trade values up so if a team calls for a trade, the Broncos have all their options in place and can make a better judgement on it than simply having to guess.

Now you're talking brosef!

DENVERDUI55
08-21-2011, 10:40 AM
Ok, wth!!
even the Tebow haters have to be scratching their heads, how r they being fair in giving him a chance?!
I'm so pissed that we r going to give this guy away and he will be a rockstar for another team as we sit at the bottom looking up

BS. They wanted Tebow to start going into the season and it's quite clear he is far from even an average starter. He does have some use in certain packages but he is a long way from being the guy. In fact he is probably better off being a preacher like his dad and can use his god like talents to spread the good word.

Paladin
08-21-2011, 10:40 AM
There's only so much of your drivel a person can take. Honestly you are such a wretched poster it boggles my mind. Thank you for lowering my already abysmal opinion of the human race...

The Drama Queen needs a pedicure.

MacGruder
08-21-2011, 10:41 AM
Any chance they're showcasing Quinn?

Probably not, but it would make it interesting.

I think this is possible.. it also could be that they want to see if Quinn can handle being the starter.. this could allow them to trade Tebow or Orton if they are leaning that direction knowing they have 3 good QBs making one of the three unnecessary and a valuable trade piece if not in their long term plans.

Agamemnon
08-21-2011, 10:42 AM
Quinn is a 5 year vet, I'd hope he'd be panning out after 5 freaking years... he's still young (so is Orton) so who knows?

Don't get me wrong, I don't really buy that Quinn has truly figured it out, but at the same time his circumstances have been very different from Orton's. Orton has had enough time as a starter for everyone to know what he is. Quinn only got to start as a young, raw player on a very bad team, so his potential hasn't been fully explored. And it's clear which of the two is more physically talented.

Quinn has the physical talent of a franchise QB. Orton simply doesn't.

Agamemnon
08-21-2011, 10:43 AM
The Drama Queen needs a pedicure.

You should take care of that.

Tombstone RJ
08-21-2011, 10:48 AM
Don't get me wrong, I don't really buy that Quinn has truly figured it out, but at the same time his circumstances have been very different from Orton's. Orton has had enough time as a starter for everyone to know what he is. Quinn only got to start as a young, raw player on a very bad team, so his potential hasn't been fully explored. And it's clear which of the two is more physically talented.

Quinn has the physical talent of a franchise QB. Orton simply doesn't.

Tebow is every bit as good as Quinn, he's just very much inexperienced. Quinn was the prototypical NFL QB coming out of college, good footwork, good mechanics, but he simple could not adjust to the NFL game. Now he's in the last year of his rookie contract and he looks like the QB that many NFL teams thought he could become.

I personally think Quinn is what he is. He is ok, nothing special. That being said, if other teams scope him out and think he has potential then they might be willing to trade for him. I don't think EXF has any problem keeping 3 QBs on the roster due to the new rule changes, that being said, I think they are anxious to give Tebow a shot and with Quinn looking decent, Tebow will never see the field in the regular season if Orton goes down.

Its not a good situation for the Broncos if Quinn stays on the team. His rook contract ends this year so teams know they won't have to trade for him, either the Broncos will give him a new contract or release him. That's not ideal, especially if they can get something for him now.

gunns
08-21-2011, 10:55 AM
This team has so many good things going for it right now. Its too bad that the battle for the backup QB spot has to overshadow everything else. Its time for Tebow fans to get off their high horses and realize that he will not be starting this year. Root for the god damn team and stop creating pointless controversy.

Excellent post. I can't believe this. The defense looked great, comparatively to any year in recent memory, and all they can talk about is poor Tebow.

gunns
08-21-2011, 10:56 AM
After a HOME PRESEASON win against a LOUSY team...

Seems a little overstated

:thumbsup:

Like much that is posted about Tebow.

bigbucks24
08-21-2011, 11:12 AM
I don't get what is so hard to figure out. Tebow was the #2 for the first game. Quinn was the #2 for the second game. Tebow will be the #2 for the third game. Fox said it in the post game interview. Why does there have to be some conspiracy with Fox and Elway wanting to keep Tebow off the field so the fans won't revolt? Ever hear of Occam's Razor?

broncocalijohn
08-21-2011, 11:14 AM
When did I say that genius? They are doing the opposite. They are trying to milk extra wins out of a bad team for no real long-term gain, and worst of all they are trying to do it with a loser at QB.

Here is one of your post. I am sure we can list every one of your opinions on the "reason" (conspiracy) that Fox is not playing Tebow.

Because Orton and Quinn are traditional pocket passers? Because they can play them without any great fear of the fans growing too attached so they can draft their guy next season? You can't play a guy like Tebow if you ultimately want to go another direction in a year. There's just too much risk of a fan revolt if you do. On the other hand if you actively create the perception that he isn't very good, and undermine him by not letting him pass or compete, then you can go after someone else and most fans will shrug and go along with it.

If EFX wants someone else ultimately they can't risk Tebow having more games like the Houston game last year. At that point Tebow's popularity would snowball, and that would force them to go against the fans to follow whatever plan they have, and they really would prefer to not have to do that.

bigbucks24
08-21-2011, 11:18 AM
And I am still baffled how John Elway and John Fox and the coaching staff (you know, the guys that see him in practice, go to meetings with him, talk to him, break down film, get paid millions to judge talent) have determined that Tebow isn't ready to start. But several posters on this board KNOW for a fact that he is far superior to Orton and Quinn and is going to dominate the NFL if ever given the chance to play. If he was that much of a sure thing, don't you think one of the other 31 teams would have seen it and tried to trade for him? Or are some of the posters on this board better judges of talent than ALL of the GMs on ALL of the teams?

Why can't you be happy with the fact that your starting QB played well? Your team dominated a team that finished just behind your team last year. Based on last year, they should have been equals. But your starting QB and your team dominated them. Enjoy the moment.

errand
08-21-2011, 11:26 AM
Ok, wth!!
even the Tebow haters have to be scratching their heads, how r they being fair in giving him a chance?!
I'm so pissed that we r going to give this guy away and he will be a rockstar for another team as we sit at the bottom looking up

Not sure if you noticed during all this crying you're doing for the world's most expensive third string quarterback but our starters on offense and defense looked pretty f****** good tonight

broncocalijohn
08-21-2011, 11:28 AM
Not sure if you noticed during all this crying you're doing for the world's most expensive third string quarterback but our starters on offense and defense looked pretty ******* good tonight

I think he had his Mom call him into the room when Tebow got into the game. He missed all the important stuff.

MacGruder
08-21-2011, 11:29 AM
I don't get what is so hard to figure out. Tebow was the #2 for the first game. Quinn was the #2 for the second game. Tebow will be the #2 for the third game. Fox said it in the post game interview. Why does there have to be some conspiracy with Fox and Elway wanting to keep Tebow off the field so the fans won't revolt? Ever hear of Occam's Razor?

Orton is going to play most of the next games in prep for the regular season.. that means Tebow will be getting token time at the end of the game just like this last game.

And even in the first preseason game Tebow seemed to get less of a look than Quinn,

Tebow is being treated like an afterthought this season. That's the bottom line.

And this was after he outplayed both in the first preseason game..

crawdad
08-21-2011, 11:30 AM
This team has so many good things going for it right now. Its too bad that the battle for the backup QB spot has to overshadow everything else. Its time for Tebow fans to get off their high horses and realize that he will not be starting this year. Root for the god damn team and stop creating pointless controversy.

I couldn't have said it better myself! Rep!

MacGruder
08-21-2011, 11:31 AM
Not sure if you noticed during all this crying you're doing for the world's most expensive third string quarterback but our starters on offense and defense looked pretty ******* good tonight

Against Buffalo?

LOL

Hamrob
08-21-2011, 11:34 AM
I'm a Tebow..whatever...fan!

I would play him right now to see what he can do. I would be giving him as much preseason work as I could. Screw Quinn.

If you are trying to develop your first round draft pick, that is exactly what you would be doing. That's what the preseason is for.

Having Tebow ride the pine, only shows that the Broncos are not interested in his development. The only realy credit I can give to them, is that they have done an excellent job using the media to deflate the Tebow hype.

Stick a fork in him...he's done in Denver. If not, why aren't we hearing Fox/Elway come out and end all this criticism of Tebow...by simply saying. Tim Tebow is our future, we invested in him and he's going to be the guy some day soon, but for now he needs to learn. They're not doing that.....and it's telling.

Hamrob
08-21-2011, 11:37 AM
Against Buffalo?

LOLAgainst Fitzpatrick. :strong:

Phillip Rivers, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Big Ben etc., etc. Let's see how they stack up against those guys before we start to think we have a playoff team.

MacGruder
08-21-2011, 11:40 AM
Against Fitzpatrick. :strong:

Phillip Rivers, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Big Ben etc., etc. Let's see how they stack up against those guys before we start to think we have a playoff team.

Plus.. teams don't really show their hand in preseason.. the Broncos at home are likely to play their game out of desperation to get the fans into it.

I think all of this game is fool's gold.

MacGruder
08-21-2011, 11:42 AM
The only realy credit I can give to them, is that they have done an excellent job using the media to deflate the Tebow hype.

Stick a fork in him...he's done in Denver. If not, why aren't we hearing Fox/Elway come out and end all this criticism of Tebow...by simply saying. Tim Tebow is our future, we invested in him and he's going to be the guy some day soon, but for now he needs to learn. They're not doing that.....and it's telling.

It seems like they are just concerned with giving the APPEARANCE that the team is not in rebuild mode.. mainly by making them a good defensive team.

Maybe they are getting the defense ready in preparation to let Tebow develop offensively at some point the way we want to see him given a shot?

errand
08-21-2011, 11:43 AM
This is so freakin crazy.. all Tebow needs is to get on the field.. I figured that would come when Orton got injured 4 games in.. now Tebow has to go through TWO losers just to get on the field and finally prove himself.. It's ridiculous.

Wow tebow cannot unseat two "losers" and you are b******* about them you need to be b******* at tebow...

Tim tebow is the 1 who's letting you down not the broncos coaching staff ......tim tebow is letting you down

errand
08-21-2011, 11:47 AM
wow...you've become a bit of a downer this season

That's because he's involved in hero worship

He would rather see the broncos lose with tim tebow than win with kyle orton.... that's why he b****** so much about a game that we won by 14 points

MacGruder
08-21-2011, 11:51 AM
Wow tebow cannot unseat two "losers" and you are b******* about them you need to be b******* at tebow...

Wrong.. because it's about the system..

Losers like Quinn and Orton can LOOK decent in a pro style offense and suck when it matters most.

Tebow is the complete opposite. IF they molded the offense a bit to make Tebow his best it wouldn't be an issue. But none of that would really matter if he was in meaningful games.. he would win regardless. And once he got more comfortable his pocket game would THEN develop. The Broncos brain trust is doing it BACKWARDS... they are trying to force him to look like a pocket passer FIRST.

If the Panthers did this with Cam Newton he would have no chance.. so it appears they are trying to sabotage Tebow.. OR they are just huge idiots and inept.

Tim tebow is the 1 who's letting you down not the broncos coaching staff ......tim tebow is letting you down

After a lockout and being forced ina system he has never run?

WTF did they draft him then?

errand
08-21-2011, 11:55 AM
So Tebow has now had nine preseason pass attempts to Quinn's 27 and Orton's 19. Something just doesn't seem right about that...

He would probably have more pass attempts if he didn't just yank the ball down and start running when his primary is covered instead of waiting for the second third options to open up

MacGruder
08-21-2011, 12:01 PM
He would probably have more pass attempts if he didn't just yank the ball down and start running when his primary is covered instead of waiting for the second third options to open up

But you are also forgetting that Tebow has IMMENSE physical and media pressure on him.

He is one of the most hyped athletes around.. and the media is waiting for him to fail.

How could he not do what he does in that situation? He is not allowed by the players or media to develop as he should.. as other QBs are allowed to.

Quinn and Orton don't have to deal with this.. AND they had their time to develop that Tebow hasn't.

It's as if Tebow's own success is what is killing him.. it has nothing to do with his ability. He just needs to get comfortable in a NFL system and most guys do that ealier and in a much easier environment.

This is why they needed to just PLAY Tebow.. and slowly work in a NFL offense.. not force him into an NFL offense completely. Which is why the Broncos development plan is so crazy.

Basically the problem is they are treating Tebow like he is any normal Qb developing when it's the complete opposite. This is the mentality guys like Hoge and others who say Tebow isn't a QB have.. most the NFL which is small minded NFL minds.

broncocalijohn
08-21-2011, 12:03 PM
Wow tebow cannot unseat two "losers" and you are b******* about them you need to be b******* at tebow...

Tim tebow is the 1 who's letting you down not the broncos coaching staff ......tim tebow is letting you down

MacGruder says,

"You are projecting. Truth comes in 3 phases and Fox and Company don't want to see any of them. Tebow doesn't let me down; EFX does. Tebow played in the SEC! SEC is where all pro bowlers come from in college. Those that don't come from SEC is because they need to fill those other positions. Yes I know that doesn't make sense and you will post examples to back up your claim. I will ignore them and give you another of my facts to refute your claim. Also, there isn't a playbook that describes Tebow. That is what is so glorious (halleluja!) about him. He is ose hhrog grret keoirghh sofhghi dghor....dwuergh... sorry there folks but swallowing Tebow's bottled jissum as I was trying to let you know the greatness of Tebow. You cannot study him. It has been tried in the SEC and if they can't do it there, what are these dinosaur thinking coaches going to do with the film? Nothing! They might as well just get off the field and forfeit because if you think Tebow will run right, you are wrong! He will run left and dodge the sack. He will step forward 5 yards and throw a beautiful pass. Who cares if he went over the line of scrimmage by 2 yards. Stick Guys should have backed up at where he threw it. He is that much of a revolutionary player. If Tebow does it, it must be correct. If you cannot see it, you guys are as bad as those NFL executives and coaches.

errand
08-21-2011, 12:05 PM
Tebow went 6-7 for 91 yards in the first preseason game, and was then demoted to 3rd string and only allowed to throw two times.

Please give your rhetoric a rest. Anyone who has even the slightest capacity for critical thought can see that this isn't about performance. This is something else entirely.

I heard of the cleveland browns wanna trade us peyton hillis for tim tebow straight up......lol

errand
08-21-2011, 12:08 PM
You keep saying in the media is waiting for tebow to fail .... well I guess the wait is over....hell I'm waiting for the mother ****** to succeed.

MacGruder
08-21-2011, 12:14 PM
You keep saying in the media is waiting for tebow to fail .... well I guess the wait is over....hell I'm waiting for the mother ****** to succeed.

That's precisely the point.. the Bronco brain trust isn't even making that a potential possibility.. all based on a couple non contact scrimmages against journeymen loser practice kings but game day losers.

Plus these 2 practice kings and game day losers won't even help him learn and may even be hindering him.. BECAUSE he is so talented!

More great NFL logic..

Tombstone RJ
08-21-2011, 12:15 PM
That's precisely the point.. the Bronco brain trust isn't even making that a potential possibility.. all based on a couple non contact scrimmages against journeymen loser practice kings but game day losers.

Plus these 2 practice kings and game day losers won't even help him learn and may even be hindering him.. BECAUSE he is so talented!

More great NFL logic..

LOL

well alrighty then... it's a conspiracy...

MacGruder
08-21-2011, 12:25 PM
LOL

well alrighty then... it's a conspiracy...

No.. it's just the fact that no one in the NFL can adapt to Tebow.. and because of various reasons he isn't being allowed to adapt to the NFL game.

Just consider that Vince Young, Vick and now Cam Newton are all being allowed to play their game right away in the NFL..

Yet Tebow is expected to completely convert his style of play or he isn't allowed to play and they won't trade him..

How do you explain that?

Tebow was a more advanced passer than ALL those guys coming out of college...

It makes no sense.. for Orton and Quinn.. who have had more than their share of chances already.

errand
08-21-2011, 12:30 PM
There's only so much of your drivel a person can take. Honestly you are such a wretched poster it boggles my mind. Thank you for lowering my already abysmal opinion of the human race...

And there we have it in a nutshell..... your abysmal opinion of the human race is why you think tim tebow is being screwed on purpose...

Never f****** occurred to you that maybe he just isn't that good?

Tombstone RJ
08-21-2011, 12:32 PM
No.. it's just the fact that no one in the NFL can adapt to Tebow.. and because of various reasons he isn't being allowed to adapt to the NFL game.

Just consider that Vince Young, Vick and now Cam Newton are all being allowed to play their game right away in the NFL..

Yet Tebow is expected to completely convert his style of play or he isn't allowed to play and they won't trade him..

How do you explain that?

Tebow was a more advanced passer than ALL those guys coming out of college...

It makes no sense.. for Orton and Quinn.. who have had more than their share of chances already.

again, it's a conspiracy... I agree with you brosef... it does not make sense... you need to call in the gaf and get some backup on your brilliant analysis.

Cito Pelon
08-21-2011, 12:37 PM
Ok, wth!!
even the Tebow haters have to be scratching their heads, how r they being fair in giving him a chance?!
I'm so pissed that we r going to give this guy away and he will be a rockstar for another team as we sit at the bottom looking up

Oh for god's sake just stop. I'm one of the biggest Tebowners on this board and Tebow is right where he should be on the depth chart.

He had his chance and he f'd it up. Period. He'll have another chance next season once he gets the basics of being an NFL QB nailed down.

MacGruder
08-21-2011, 12:39 PM
again, it's a conspiracy... I agree with you brosef... it does not make sense... you need to call in the gaf and get some backup on your brilliant analysis.

All those guys were drafted higher than Tebow and were lesser players.. what is the explanation?

MacGruder
08-21-2011, 12:39 PM
Oh for god's sake just stop. I'm one of the biggest Tebowners on this board and Tebow is right where he should be on the depth chart.

He had his chance and he f'd it up. Period. He'll have another chance next season once he gets the basics of being an NFL QB nailed down.

You mean fetaling?

Tombstone RJ
08-21-2011, 12:47 PM
All those guys were drafted higher than Tebow and were lesser players.. what is the explanation?

well, let's think this out for a second... oh yah, Josh McD took him much earlier than expected because Tebow's style simply did not match up with the NFL game. He was projected as a second round pick for a good reason. That being said, he was a much better college QB than those other guys but his mechanics scare a lot of NFL experts. He's a work in progress who had no offseason help in this new pro-style offense and he was a 3 year project even in McD's spread offense.

I'm a mega Tebow fan too but it will do him more harm than good to shove him into the starting position and then watch him struggle. That won't help his confidence at all. I'd rather let him develop a little more and then see what happens. I still think Tebow will get his chance at some point and time this season. It may be in special packages, it may be due to injuries. It's not the end of the world that Tebow is behind Orton and Quinn.

Paladin
08-21-2011, 12:51 PM
I don't know. That just makes too much sense for this crowd......

MacGruder
08-21-2011, 12:53 PM
well, let's think this out for a second... oh yah, Josh McD took him much earlier than expected because Tebow's style simply did not match up with the NFL game.

Acrtually that wasn't why.. they said he would never bee able to run in the NFL and that he had a weak arm.

His arm strength is better than Orton's and he is a betetr runner than cam Newton..

He is also a more durable runner than Vince.. and a better passer.

He was projected as a second round pick for a good reason.

Absolutely wrong.. I just showed why.. Vince Young did have a betetr team around him though and a much better coach...

That being said, he was a much better college QB than those other guys but his mechanics scare a lot of NFL experts. He's a work in progress who had no offseason help in this new pro-style offense and he was a 3 year project even in McD's spread offense.

I agree with this part.

I'm a mega Tebow fan too but it will do him more harm than good to shove him into the starting position and then watch him struggle. That won't help his confidence at all. I'd rather let him develop a little more and then see what happens. I still think Tebow will get his chance at some point and time this season. It may be in special packages, it may be due to injuries. It's not the end of the world that Tebow is behind Orton and Quinn.

But this is what doesn't make sense though.. it seems like they are trying to bury him for whatever reason.. why? There's no logical explanation...

Tombstone RJ
08-21-2011, 01:02 PM
Acrtually that wasn't why.. they said he would never bee able to run in the NFL and that he had a weak arm. His arm strength is better than Orton's and he is a betetr runner than cam Newton.. He is also a more durable runner than Vince.. and a better passer.

They said he wasn't as athletic is VY or Vick and they are right. He's not as athletic as Newton. Since he doesn't have this kind of athletic ability then scouts were scared that he'd get banged up when he tried to run. Regardless, most teams just didn't know how Tebow's style would translate to the NFL. You can't blame teams for seeing problems with his game.


Absolutely wrong.. I just showed why.. Vince Young did have a betetr team around him though and a much better coach...

Please prove this with a link. Please show me where Tebow was thought of as a first round pick. Perhaps I'm wrong but I don't remember Tebow being thought of as a first round pick.


But this is what doesn't make sense though.. it seems like they are trying to bury him for whatever reason.. why? There's no logical explanation...

Because he's not ready. He had no help this offseason and it has set him back.

Dagmar
08-21-2011, 01:03 PM
Acrtually that wasn't why.. they said he would never bee able to run in the NFL and that he had a weak arm.

His arm strength is better than Orton's and he is a betetr runner than cam Newton..

He is also a more durable runner than Vince.. and a better passer.



Absolutely wrong.. I just showed why.. Vince Young did have a betetr team around him though and a much better coach...



I agree with this part.



But this is what doesn't make sense though.. it seems like they are trying to bury him for whatever reason.. why? There's no logical explanation...

You are clinically retarded right? That has to be the only explanation. I LOVE Tebow and wish he was the starting QB but Tebow lovers and haters agree on ONE thing only. You are are a ****ing dribbling simpleton.

bombay
08-21-2011, 01:18 PM
Instead of writing books and modeling underwear, Brady Quinn hired a quarterback coach on his own dime in the offseason and the results are there for everyone to see. I hope we don't let him get away for little or nothing. In his 5th year, he's ready to start for someone.

bendog
08-21-2011, 01:20 PM
Ok, wth!!
even the Tebow haters have to be scratching their heads, how r they being fair in giving him a chance?!
I'm so pissed that we r going to give this guy away and he will be a rockstar for another team as we sit at the bottom looking up

Cut vertically, not sidewise

errand
08-21-2011, 03:36 PM
That's precisely the point.. the Bronco brain trust isn't even making that a potential possibility.. all based on a couple non contact scrimmages against journeymen loser practice kings but game day losers.

Plus these 2 practice kings and game day losers won't even help him learn and may even be hindering him.. BECAUSE he is so talented!

More great NFL logic..

Okay let me get this straight ....you're saying tim tebow is so f****** talented that the coaches will not play him?

Wow.....you'd figure a superior talent would come out in practice......

And why would not this multi talented guy that everybody is emulating, according to you, be able to beat out two clowns you consider losers?

errand
08-21-2011, 03:48 PM
Quinn is a 5 year vet, I'd hope he'd be panning out after 5 freaking years... he's still young (so is Orton) so who knows?

Exactly this clown acts as if these guys cannot play well this season and get re-signed by the broncos....... he would rather the broncos lose with tebow than win with kyle orton or brady quinn

DrFate
08-21-2011, 03:50 PM
Exactly this clown acts as if these guys cannot play well this season and get re-signed by the broncos

What level would Orton have to achieve to get the $60 mil deal it has been reported he wants? Pro Bowl? MVP? Playoffs?

errand
08-21-2011, 03:53 PM
Excellent post. I can't believe this. The defense looked great, comparatively to any year in recent memory, and all they can talk about is poor Tebow.

I know right?

it's just like when pga golf is being shown on espn and they're showing highlights of tiger woods in 18th place.

This is just like last year when people were b******* about our fourth string running back not getting enough carries

errand
08-21-2011, 03:58 PM
Against Buffalo?

LOL

Okay fair enough it was buffalo.... but then again tim tebow hit on only 50 percent of his frikkin passes and he got sacked by buffalo's fourth stringers..... right before he got yanked and benched

So if this doesn't say a lot for kyle orton or brady quinn then it says even less about tim tebow

DrFate
08-21-2011, 04:00 PM
he got sacked by buffalo's fourth stringers..... right before he got yanked and benched

You and I could get sacks against a lousy OLine.

errand
08-21-2011, 04:02 PM
It seems like they are just concerned with giving the APPEARANCE that the team is not in rebuild mode.. mainly by making them a good defensive team.

Maybe they are getting the defense ready in preparation to let Tebow develop offensively at some point the way we want to see him given a shot?


Roflmao........yeah .....maybe.

Keep clicking those heels Dorothy...

MacGruder
08-21-2011, 04:03 PM
Okay fair enough it was buffalo.... but then again tim tebow hit on only 50 percent of his frikkin passes and he got sacked by buffalo's fourth stringers..... right before he got yanked and benched

So if this doesn't say a lot for kyle orton or brady quinn then it says even less about tim tebow

It says his coaching staff has no freaking idea how to use him considering he played better against starting defenses last regular season.

bombay
08-21-2011, 04:05 PM
Okay fair enough it was buffalo.... but then again tim tebow hit on only 50 percent of his frikkin passes and he got sacked by buffalo's fourth stringers..... right before he got yanked and benched

So if this doesn't say a lot for kyle orton or brady quinn then it says even less about tim tebow

He's not an NFL QB. That's what it says. Whatever it is that makes the more radical Tebow fans so vehement, it isn't related to football ability at the NFL level.

MacGruder
08-21-2011, 04:08 PM
Okay let me get this straight ....you're saying tim tebow is so ******* talented that the coaches will not play him?

Wow.....you'd figure a superior talent would come out in practice......

And why would not this multi talented guy that everybody is emulating, according to you, be able to beat out two clowns you consider losers?

Because most coaches have no idea how to use him. The same reason Ryan Mallet dropped to third and Beli is making him look like a god.

Guys like Quinn and Orton were groomed to play in the kind of system Fox is emphasizing.. that hides their weaknesses just like Belli is hiding Mallet's weaknesses...

But when it matters most they will be exposed.

Tebow shines in those moments but just needs TIME actually playing to develop the NFL game managing skills the others have developed over time.

MacGruder
08-21-2011, 04:09 PM
He's not an NFL QB. That's what it says. Whatever it is that makes the more radical Tebow fans so vehement, it isn't related to football ability at the NFL level.

funny Josh McDaniles doesn't know what makes good Qbs but then these same people trashing Tebow covet guys like Orton and Quinn McD made look like gods..

Northman
08-21-2011, 04:11 PM
They said he wasn't as athletic is VY or Vick and they are right. He's not as athletic as Newton. Since he doesn't have this kind of athletic ability then scouts were scared that he'd get banged up when he tried to run. Regardless, most teams just didn't know how Tebow's style would translate to the NFL. You can't blame teams for seeing problems with his game.

Absolutely. The fact that Tebow still struggles with the mechanics is proving the naysayers right.

Please prove this with a link. Please show me where Tebow was thought of as a first round pick. Perhaps I'm wrong but I don't remember Tebow being thought of as a first round pick.

Tebow was not projected to be a first rounder, your correct.

MacGruder
08-21-2011, 04:13 PM
Tebow was not projected to be a first rounder, your correct.

Show me proof he wasn't a first round pick.. he actually went in the first round and his stock had plummeted at that point.

rmsanger
08-21-2011, 04:16 PM
Sounds like a bunch of Tebow fans on here rather than Broncos fans! May the best QB win the playing time. If it's Tebow then so be it.

errand
08-21-2011, 04:17 PM
What level would Orton have to achieve to get the $60 mil deal it has been reported he wants? Pro Bowl? MVP? Playoffs?

Kyle was on pace for a 4000 yard 24 td's vs 12 int's season....and was getting early season consideration for MVP last year......if he puts up the same or better he'll get his big payday.....

Again I believe an improved running game and better protection coupled with better defensive play will lead to better QB play and lead to more wins

MacGruder
08-21-2011, 04:19 PM
Kyle was on pace for a 4000 yard 24 td's vs 12 int's season....and was getting early season consideration for MVP last year......if he puts up the same or better he'll get his big payday.....

Again I believe an improved running game and better protection coupled with better defensive play will lead to better QB play and lead to more wins

Too bad all the teams aren't Buffalo, Dorothy.. LOL

Northman
08-21-2011, 04:22 PM
Show me proof he wasn't a first round pick.. he actually went in the first round and his stock had plummeted at that point.

Apparently your having issues following the conversation. The issue isnt WHERE he was taken but where he was projected to be taken. Two different things entirely.

2KBack
08-21-2011, 04:23 PM
Too bad all the teams aren't Buffalo, Dorothy.. LOL

Yeah their 4-12 teams is so much ****tier than our 4-12 team

DrFate
08-21-2011, 04:24 PM
if he puts up the same or better he'll get his big payday.....


He was also 3-10. Do you feel Bowlen and Co. back up the Brinks truck for another performance like that? I think it's fair to say the raw passing numbers will decline under Fox.

MacGruder
08-21-2011, 04:33 PM
Yeah their 4-12 teams is so much ****tier than our 4-12 team

It was a home game.. and not playing for real.. The Broncos were probably pulling out all the stops to get the fans excited too. This is probably as good as it gets.

errand
08-21-2011, 04:49 PM
You and I could get sacks against a lousy OLine.

Aren't the players getting through this lousy offense offensive line also lousy players themselves?

I thought Tim was so much more talented, stronger and overall better than these scrubs that sacked him?

HAT
08-21-2011, 04:51 PM
This is probably as good as it gets.

Fine by me. :thumbsup:

DrFate
08-21-2011, 04:52 PM
Aren't the players getting through this lousy offense offensive line also lousy players themselves?

Yes, yes they are. That said, a guy breaking through against the 4th string OLine isn't a complicated thing. If you don't get blocked, you can be pretty lousy and still get a sack.

MacGruder
08-21-2011, 04:54 PM
Aren't the players getting through this lousy offense offensive line also lousy players themselves?

I thought Tim was so much more talented, stronger and overall better than these scrubs that sacked him?

Tebow also has opposing d always gunning for him.. no one cares about Quinn.

Did you see how long he had to get that one highlight TD pass?

It really hurts Tebow to force him in the pocket in that situation. So much so it's almost like sabotage.. you have to wonder

errand
08-21-2011, 05:03 PM
He was also 3-10. Do you feel Bowlen and Co. back up the Brinks truck for another performance like that? I think it's fair to say the raw passing numbers will decline under Fox.

So Orton was the main culprit in that 3-10 abortion last season? And while Fox will run more than McD did, that doesn't mean a drastic decline in numbers....in fact I believe that better protection and running game with better defensive play will create better, higher % opportunities for Kyle to succeed

Better defense should create more turnovers which will create more opportunities for the offense to score....better run game means opponents will have to respect it thereby increasing play action passes and possibly leading to bigger plays.....

errand
08-21-2011, 05:08 PM
Yes, yes they are. That said, a guy breaking through against the 4th string OLine isn't a complicated thing. If you don't get blocked, you can be pretty lousy and still get a sack.

Wouldn't that tell tim tebow to get rid of a ball quicker? Or do you think he lacks good pocket awareness?

Either way it still does not explain why an alleged superman first round talent like tebow is being sacked by scrubs and priority free agents....

DrFate
08-21-2011, 05:10 PM
So Orton was the main culprit in that 3-10 abortion

You said it, not me. The proof is still in the pudding, and I doubt a repeat performance of that quality will get Orton the long-term deal he's looking for.

DrFate
08-21-2011, 05:11 PM
Either way it still does not explain why an alleged superman first round talent like tebow is being sacked by scrubs and priority free agents....

It's not complicated - you could get guys off the street and give them a jailbreak and they'll sack any quarterback in the league.

errand
08-21-2011, 05:19 PM
You said it, not me. The proof is still in the pudding, and I doubt a repeat performance of that quality will get Orton the long-term deal he's looking for.

I didn't say anything dude ....

I asked you a question ............do you believe that kyle orton was the main culprit our 3 and 10 record while he was our starting quarterback?

In other words our defense's play....our lack of a running game and pass protection had nothing to do with it correct? And if they did have something to do with it how much of the blame do they get compared to Orton?

cutthemdown
08-21-2011, 05:19 PM
This thread is garbage.

errand
08-21-2011, 05:19 PM
It's not complicated - you could get guys off the street and give them a jailbreak and they'll sack any quarterback in the league.

Now you know that is just plain b*******

DrFate
08-21-2011, 05:22 PM
I didn't say anything dude ....

If you didn't say it, whom did I quote? :spit:


I asked you a question ............do you believe that kyle orton was the main culprit our 3 and 10 record while he was our starting quarterback?

What you did was change the subject - if Orton goes 3-10 again this year, he's not getting a lengthy extension, I don't care how much alleged 'mvp consideration' you want to claim he got.

DrFate
08-21-2011, 05:23 PM
Now you know that is just plain b*******

So what you are saying is that four normal guys can't tackle an NFL quarterback? Are these QBs from Krypton?

Arkie
08-21-2011, 05:33 PM
So what you are saying is that four normal guys can't tackle an NFL quarterback? Are these QBs from Krypton?

This one is.

http://mrsec.com/pics/tim-tebow-superman.jpg

Aftermath
08-21-2011, 05:57 PM
I hate these threads. Quit crying

errand
08-21-2011, 06:30 PM
So what you are saying is that four normal guys can't tackle an NFL quarterback? Are these QBs from Krypton?

You said 4 guys off the street clown...so no, I don't think they could sack any NFL QB let alone Tim Tebow

Dagmar
08-21-2011, 06:33 PM
I would like him to be given a half with the starters, against starters.

gtown
08-21-2011, 06:41 PM
Are we still talking about this? It's about the jersey, not the name on the back of the jersey. We have had such ****ty teams in Denver for the last decade. We finally have something to be excited about, and we are talking about the guy holding the clipboard for the guy holding the clipboard.

Tebow spent all offseason on a book tour, doing promos for stupid ads, and hammering logs in the woods. He has regressed under center in terms of his motion, his footwork, etc. Its up to him to get back to No. 1 - no one, especially Fox, is just gonna hand it to him.

Dagmar
08-21-2011, 06:45 PM
Are we still talking about this? It's about the jersey, not the name on the back of the jersey. We have had such ****ty teams in Denver for the last decade. We finally have something to be excited about, and we are talking about the guy holding the clipboard for the guy holding the clipboard.

Tebow spent all offseason on a book tour, doing promos for stupid ads, and hammering logs in the woods. He has regressed under center in terms of his motion, his footwork, etc. Its up to him to get back to No. 1 - no one, especially Fox, is just gonna hand it to him.

It's openly public he was practicing, he even practiced with Lloyd. Just because Tebow's non football activities were also public doesn't mean Orton lived and breathed football in summer. Just no one gives a **** about him. Its an absolutely ignorant comment.

gtown
08-21-2011, 06:51 PM
It's openly public he was practicing, he even practiced with Lloyd. Just because Tebow's non football activities were also public doesn't mean Orton lived and breathed football in summer. Just no one gives a **** about him. Its an absolutely ignorant comment.

It's a bit of hyperbole, I admit, but the videotape does not lie. The guy has not made improvement in the rudimentary skills needed to be an NFL QB. Still has the long motion, the happy feet, and most appallingly, the inability to throw it accurately on a consistent basis.

I will give him a free pass for being a 2nd year player who we knew was going to be a project. He's under a new coach and coming off of a lockout. Still, I would like to see him at least drop back in rhythm go through his reads (at least two of them) and deliver the ball from the pocket in rhythm.

bombay
08-21-2011, 06:55 PM
Are we still talking about this? It's about the jersey, not the name on the back of the jersey. We have had such ****ty teams in Denver for the last decade. We finally have something to be excited about, and we are talking about the guy holding the clipboard for the guy holding the clipboard.

Tebow spent all offseason on a book tour, doing promos for stupid ads, and hammering logs in the woods. He has regressed under center in terms of his motion, his footwork, etc. Its up to him to get back to No. 1 - no one, especially Fox, is just gonna hand it to him.


While Quinn hired an NFL QB coach and worked on footwork, delivery, etc.

The results are there for everyone to see.

bombay
08-21-2011, 07:03 PM
Are we still talking about this? It's about the jersey, not the name on the back of the jersey. We have had such ****ty teams in Denver for the last decade. We finally have something to be excited about, and we are talking about the guy holding the clipboard for the guy holding the clipboard.

Tebow spent all offseason on a book tour, doing promos for stupid ads, and hammering logs in the woods. He has regressed under center in terms of his motion, his footwork, etc. Its up to him to get back to No. 1 - no one, especially Fox, is just gonna hand it to him.


While Quinn hired an NFL QB coach and worked on footwork, delivery, etc.

The results are there for everyone to see.

Dagmar
08-21-2011, 07:21 PM
For anyone with an agenda.