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The Moops
08-20-2011, 08:21 PM
The way the Broncos 3rd string D is letting Buffalo get first downs here in the 4th quarter, looks like Tebow will only get 1 more possession (for a total of 2).

garandman
08-20-2011, 08:27 PM
Wtf... im all for giving Quinn some time but come on... Tebow better be 2nd next week or I'm writing my congressman!

epicSocialism4tw
08-20-2011, 08:27 PM
Yeah, I wasted my time watching Quinn.

TheReverend
08-20-2011, 08:31 PM
ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME!?!?!?!?

I'M LEGIT MAD RIGHT NOW.

The Moops
08-20-2011, 08:33 PM
Seriously?!?! Not EVEN 2 full possessions?

Wait till he runs for a first down and EVEN slides for your conservative Friggin' offense ... and you take him out for some guy who won't be on the team!

TheReverend
08-20-2011, 08:33 PM
**** you, Fox.
**** you, McCoy.
**** you, Gase.

Garcia Bronco
08-20-2011, 08:34 PM
Lol. We're going to compete this year in Defense and Offense.

errand
08-20-2011, 08:34 PM
This is very telling .....Tebow must be further behind the other two than originally thought

Steve Sewell
08-20-2011, 08:35 PM
He got TWO ****ING pass attempts. TWO!

RaiderH8r
08-20-2011, 08:35 PM
This is very telling .....Tebow must be further behind the other two than originally thought

McCoy doesn't know squat. He's an idiot.

Garcia Bronco
08-20-2011, 08:36 PM
Relax. We know who the starter is...might as well get onboard.

SoCalBronco
08-20-2011, 08:36 PM
This is very telling .....Tebow must be further behind the other two than originally thought

The more probable answer is that the staff is being douches because he's not Elway's guy.

errand
08-20-2011, 08:37 PM
Lol. We're going to compete this year in Defense and Offense.

I just do not understand you guys...our offense and defense looks good and the only thing you clowns want is tim tebow in

bronco0608
08-20-2011, 08:37 PM
Tebow is right where he should be: third string. He is like Ty Detmer and Danny Weurfel.

bronco0608
08-20-2011, 08:38 PM
I just do not understand you guys...our offense and defense looks good and the only thing you clowns want is tim tebow in

Or, he is the 4th round talent QB that every NFL guy thought he was.

He is like Tyler Thigpen. Give Tebow 4 years, and yes, one day, he can be a 2nd string journeyman qb.

RaiderH8r
08-20-2011, 08:38 PM
I just do not understand you guys...our offense and defense looks good and the only thing you clowns want is tim tebow in

Against Buffalo. I mean it is nice to see them play well but some perspective is required here. It is Buffalo.

DrFate
08-20-2011, 08:39 PM
It's time to stop the charade. Just cut the kid loose and admit there was never any competition because he was drafted by McDaniels. Start planning for the QB we take #1 in 2012.

HAT
08-20-2011, 08:40 PM
The more probable answer is that the staff is being douches because he's not Elway's guy.

Yeah....Elway is definitely showing bias toward those other QBs he drafted, traded for & acquired in FA.

bronco0608
08-20-2011, 08:40 PM
Seriously, why get your panties all in a twist over Tebow? The NFL is pretty simple, if you can play, you play. There is no conspiracy against Tebow.

You people are insane. Dude is a marginal NFL QB, get over it.

TheReverend
08-20-2011, 08:42 PM
Seriously, why get your panties all in a twist over Tebow? The NFL is pretty simple, if you can play, you play. There is no conspiracy against Tebow.

You people are insane. Dude is a marginal NFL QB, get over it.

Then let the ****ing kid play.

epicSocialism4tw
08-20-2011, 08:42 PM
Seriously, why get your panties all in a twist over Tebow? The NFL is pretty simple, if you can play, you play. There is no conspiracy against Tebow.

You people are insane. Dude is a marginal NFL QB, get over it.

Most people see a promising rookie who has consistently performed in game situations despite being just a promising rookie (now second year player).

Garcia Bronco
08-20-2011, 08:42 PM
Why do we need a new QB? Why can't Tim sit for 3-4 seasons?

I see a QB WITH WHAT APPEARS TO BE A RUNNING GAME..sorry about the caps...
I see a QB on the same page with a top WR in the game
I saw an actual pass down the seam to TE tonight

Orton is good people. Better get used to it.

bronco militia
08-20-2011, 08:43 PM
whatever....tebow will get the 4th pre-season game.

DrFate
08-20-2011, 08:43 PM
Orton is good people. Better get used to it.

:rofl:

Don't let the last SIX YEARS get in the way of this comment.

SoCalBronco
08-20-2011, 08:44 PM
Yeah....Elway is definitely showing bias toward those other QBs he drafted, traded for & acquired in FA.

I must have forgotten when Elway was constantly bitching about Orton and Quinn in the offseason.

bronco0608
08-20-2011, 08:45 PM
I must have forgotten when Elway was constantly b****ing about Orton and Quinn in the offseason.

Yes, because Elway personally hates Tebow. You didn't read the Jason Whitlock column?

The NFL is that petty. Oh yea. :giggle:

HAT
08-20-2011, 08:46 PM
It's time to stop the charade. Just cut the kid loose and admit there was never any competition because he was drafted by McDaniels. Start planning for the QB we take #1 in 2012.

A) Of course there was never any competition, nobody could provide it.
B) Nobody's getting cut.
C) Tebow is the QBOTF & going to be a goal line stud THIS year.
D) There is no way in hell that Denver drafts a QB next year, no matter their record.....Any of the three could start the next 5 years here.
E) McD has nothing to do with any of this unless U MAD he left Denver DEEP at QB.

TheReverend
08-20-2011, 08:47 PM
A) Of course there was never any competition, nobody could provide it.
B) Nobody's getting cut.
C) Tebow is the QBOTF & going to be a goal line stud THIS year.
D) There is no way in hell that Denver drafts a QB next year, no matter their record.....Any of the three could start the next 5 years here.
E) McD has nothing to do with any of this unless U MAD he left Denver DEEP at QB.

You forgot "in" and "****" there.

The Moops
08-20-2011, 08:47 PM
If Denver is not going to play Tebow and relegate him to 3rd string, then trade him. It makes NO sense to put him in a 2-minute situation and pull him AFTER he makes a 1st down with plenty left on the clock.

Why, so WEBER can play and tell his grandkids someday that he had a tryout with the Broncos?

Is this little league where everyone gets at least 1 play?

Garcia Bronco
08-20-2011, 08:48 PM
:rofl:

Don't let the last SIX YEARS get in the way of this comment.

He's coming into his own. Tim will too one day.

TheReverend
08-20-2011, 08:49 PM
He's coming into his own. Tim will too one day.

One screen at a time.

errand
08-20-2011, 08:50 PM
The more probable answer is that the staff is being douches because he's not Elway's guy.

So again the coaches are doing this on purpose correct? How is it you guys always believe that when your favorite player isn't playing you guys always think it's the coaches have it in for them.....

must be something new in the nfl .....coaches are paid to win so they go and play the most inferior players they can find.... really?

HAT
08-20-2011, 08:50 PM
I must have forgotten when Elway was constantly b****ing about Orton and Quinn in the offseason.

I'm not sure what this even means but if you really think that Elway doesn't like Tebow then you may as well go join Atlas elsewhere. You're half way there anyway right?

Do you want me to flip a coin for you to decide between Chicago & Washington?

Tebow is clearly the QBOTF in Denver....The future just isn't now.

DrFate
08-20-2011, 08:50 PM
He's coming into his own. Tim will too one day.

NFL Quarterbacks don't simply emerge going into their 7th seasons. MLB pitchers, yes. NFL Quarterbacks - no. Doesn't happen.

bronco0608
08-20-2011, 08:50 PM
So again the coaches are doing this on purpose correct? How is it you guys always believe that when your favorite player isn't playing you guys always think it's the coaches have it in for them.....

must be something new in the nfl .....coaches are paid to win so they go and play the most inferior players they can find.... really?

Stupid, isn't it? :P

DrFate
08-20-2011, 08:51 PM
D) There is no way in hell that Denver drafts a QB next year, no matter their record.....

Just tell me what you want to bet.

strafen
08-20-2011, 08:52 PM
This is ****ed up.
Fox is playing head games with Tebow.
Fox is looking for the next Delhomme. Orton seems to be the one he wants.
Fox favors ****ty QB's.
Get used to our team to suck for years to come.

Does anyone miss Shanny yet?
I do!

Hamrob
08-20-2011, 08:53 PM
For Tebow's sake, I hope they trade him. In fact if I were his agent I'd be trying to convince Denver to let him go right now. They obviously don't believe in him.

Let the kid go to a better franchise that knows how to utilize talent when they see it.

Steve Sewell
08-20-2011, 08:53 PM
Yes, because Elway personally hates Tebow. You didn't read the Jason Whitlock column?

The NFL is that petty. Oh yea. :giggle:

When was this written? Do you have a link?

bronco0608
08-20-2011, 08:54 PM
This is ****ed up.
Fox is playing head games with Tebow.
Fox is looking for the next Delhomme. Orton seems to be the one he wants.
Fox favors ****ty QB's.
Get used to our team to suck for years to come.

Does anyone miss Shanny yet?
I do!

Tebow sucks, son. Tebow might be great fullback or te, but QB? He sucks. He doesn't have the mechanics nor the feel for the position.

He gets sacked every other possession. Dude is terrible.

SoCalBronco
08-20-2011, 08:54 PM
must be something new in the nfl .....coaches are paid to win so they go and play the most inferior players they can find.... really?

Apparently, at one time, Denver wanted Cassel over Cutler, so yes, they sometimes do incredibly stupid things.

Jesterhole
08-20-2011, 08:54 PM
Seriously, why get your panties all in a twist over Tebow? The NFL is pretty simple, if you can play, you play. There is no conspiracy against Tebow.

You people are insane. Dude is a marginal NFL QB, get over it.

He showed far more than marginal talent at the end of last season.

bronco0608
08-20-2011, 08:55 PM
When was this written? Do you have a link?

No, I was bull****ting. Teams play the best players.

Only the insane believes this is conspiracy.

Hamrob
08-20-2011, 08:55 PM
It's funny to me.

All those McD guzzlers are now Orton guzzlers.

When Orton starts to show his true colors during the season, they'll all be massaging his nuggets and kissing his ass.

This should get comical!

HAT
08-20-2011, 08:55 PM
Just tell me what you want to bet.

I meant in the first round......They could always draft a developmental guy later in the draft or even take a flyer in the mid 2nd if a QB who we currently consider a 1st round LOCK slips and the value is there.

bronco0608
08-20-2011, 08:56 PM
He showed far more than marginal talent at the end of last season.

He completed 50% of his passes. Brad Smith could do that. Joe Webb could do that.

Are they more marginally talented than Tebow?

SoCalBronco
08-20-2011, 08:56 PM
I'm not sure what this even means but if you really think that Elway doesn't like Tebow then you may as well go join Atlas elsewhere. You're half way there anyway right?

Do you want me to flip a coin for you to decide between Chicago & Washington?

Tebow is clearly the QBOTF in Denver....The future just isn't now.

If he was really the QBOTF here, then why would Elway be constantly criticizing him? Why would they be going out of their way to minimize his reps? Don't QBOTF need reps to develop? Isn't that the whole point of the "future" part?

DrFate
08-20-2011, 08:56 PM
I meant in the first round......They could always draft a developmental guy later in the draft or even take a flyer in the mid 2nd if a QB who we currently consider a 1st round LOCK slips and the value is there.

I mean in the first round. I mean in the top 5, which is where this team will most likely be drafting.

Hamrob
08-20-2011, 08:57 PM
Tebow sucks, son. Tebow might be great fullback or te, but QB? He sucks. He doesn't have the mechanics nor the feel for the position.

He gets sacked every other possession. Dude is terrible.What a dumb ass you are. Tebow playing with burger flippers and you're going to say he gets sacked every other play. Dude, I wish I was within 3 ft of you.

TheChamp24
08-20-2011, 08:58 PM
ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME!?!?!?!?

I'M LEGIT MAD RIGHT NOW.

http://troll.me/images/pep/you-mad-bro.jpg

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/77a361a3d05f.jpg

Bob's your Information Minister
08-20-2011, 08:58 PM
http://i51.tinypic.com/muhpb9.jpg

HAT
08-20-2011, 09:00 PM
It's funny to me.

All those McD guzzlers are now Orton guzzlers.



Say what?

McD is the one who had the foresight to rid this team of Cutler, in return for the perfect stop gap, then getting a solid reclamation project before drafting the next great Bronco QB for the next decade.....

And you're mad at that?

bronco0608
08-20-2011, 09:00 PM
What a dumb ass you are. Tebow playing with burger flippers and you're going to say he gets sacked every other play. Dude, I wish I was within 3 ft of you.

What would you do?

extralife
08-20-2011, 09:01 PM
This is hilarious. I guess we know who is a Broncos fan and who is a Madden player that just watches QBs all game long. This is a football team. Sorry your buddy didn't get as many plays as you wanted, but he's clearly the third best QB on the team right now. I'll be busy watching a football game next week, rather than a popularity contest.

HAT
08-20-2011, 09:01 PM
Apparently, at one time, Denver wanted Cassel over Cutler, so yes, they sometimes do incredibly stupid things.

Ummmm...That was like the smartest thing ever.

Jesterhole
08-20-2011, 09:01 PM
He completed 50% of his passes. Brad Smith could do that. Joe Webb could do that.

Are they more marginally talented than Tebow?

You know, I could spend some time teaching you that there is more to football, to being a quaterback and leader, than the worst stat you can google on someone. I could mention Elway's rookie season where he couldn't even complete 50% of his passes. Wow, I guess Elway was only marginally talented?

TheReverend
08-20-2011, 09:02 PM
Say what?

McD is the one who had the foresight to rid this team of Cutler, in return for the perfect stop gap, then getting a solid reclamation project before drafting the next great Bronco QB for the next decade.....

And you're mad at that?

You're so ****ing nuts it's ridiculous...

HAT
08-20-2011, 09:02 PM
Tebow sucks, son.

Wow....The idiots are out in full force tonight.

zdoor
08-20-2011, 09:06 PM
Peyton Hillis the sequel

epicSocialism4tw
08-20-2011, 09:13 PM
Peyton Hillis the sequel

Hillis was but a foreshadowing of what was to come with Tebow. :rofl:

Orange_Beard
08-20-2011, 09:22 PM
A qb has to be able to throw the ball. Tebow can't throw.

epicSocialism4tw
08-20-2011, 09:22 PM
A qb has to be able to throw the ball. Tebow can't throw.

Um...that's really your analysis?

Orange_Beard
08-20-2011, 09:24 PM
Peyton Hillis the sequel

So tebow is going to leave Denver and become a pro bowl tail back?

Orange_Beard
08-20-2011, 09:27 PM
Um...that's really your analysis?

It's plane and simple, you can gush all you want about his intangibles, but the guy simply can not throw.

TheReverend
08-20-2011, 09:31 PM
It's plane and simple, you can gush all you want about his intangibles, but the guy simply can not throw.

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epicSocialism4tw
08-20-2011, 09:35 PM
It's plane and simple, you can gush all you want about his intangibles, but the guy simply can not throw.

http://www.cheeseandmeats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/lolwut.jpg

Orange_Beard
08-20-2011, 09:38 PM
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Yeah, that one throw proves it.

TheReverend
08-20-2011, 09:39 PM
Yeah, that one throw proves it.

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The vast majority are throws.

The vast majority of those are pocket throws.

Get **** on.

DrFate
08-20-2011, 09:40 PM
Yeah, that one throw proves it.

Dude threw for 9,000 yards and 88 TDs in the best conference in the country.

He passed for 650 yards and has a QB rating over 80 in the NFL.

I doubt he could accomplish either without throwing...

Orange_Beard
08-20-2011, 09:40 PM
http://www.cheeseandmeats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/lolwut.jpg

Not sure I get what this means..... Or what this has to do with anything

Orange_Beard
08-20-2011, 09:41 PM
Dude threw for 9,000 yards and 88 TDs in the best conference in the country.

I doubt he could accomplish that without throwing...

Oh his college stats, guess if I was picking a college team they would mean something.

DrFate
08-20-2011, 09:46 PM
Oh his college stats, guess if I was picking a college team they would mean something.

You said he 'couldn't throw' - which is nonsensical

TailgateNut
08-20-2011, 09:47 PM
This is ****ed up.
Fox is playing head games with Tebow.
Fox is looking for the next Delhomme. Orton seems to be the one he wants.
Fox favors ****ty QB's.
Get used to our team to suck for years to come.

Does anyone miss Shanny yet?
I do!


****ty QB's with a 130+QB rating.

You guys have your nose so far up Tebows ass you can't even see past his asscheeks.

HAT
08-20-2011, 09:55 PM
If he was really the QBOTF here, then why would Elway be constantly criticizing him? Why would they be going out of their way to minimize his reps? Don't QBOTF need reps to develop? Isn't that the whole point of the "future" part?

A) Motivation
B) So the starting QB gets more reps
C) Yes, sometimes 1 or 2 or (gasp) 3 full seasons worth of practice.
D) You gonna be mad at the calendar because the future is a later date?

Orange_Beard
08-20-2011, 09:56 PM
Dude threw for 9,000 yards and 88 TDs in the best conference in the country.

He passed for 650 yards and has a QB rating over 80 in the NFL.

I doubt he could accomplish either without throwing...

I agree, tebow was one of the best college qb's of all time.

I would love to eat a pound of crow over tebow, but I just don't see it.

DrFate
08-20-2011, 09:57 PM
I agree, tebow was one of the best college qb's of all time.

I would love to eat a pound of crow over tebow, but I just don't see it.

I wish they'd simply release him
.

DrFate
08-20-2011, 09:58 PM
C) Yes, sometimes 1 or 2 or (gasp) 3 full seasons worth of practice.


Tell me how this makes sense? Standing on the sidelines in pads while other guys take reps - how does anyone improve?

HAT
08-20-2011, 09:59 PM
I wish they'd simply release him
.

You should try to be less emotional when it comes to football opinions.

Orange_Beard
08-20-2011, 09:59 PM
You said he 'couldn't throw' - which is nonsensical

I stand corrected, is is accurate with around 50% of his throws, just not good enough to be an NFL qb.

Orange_Beard
08-20-2011, 10:01 PM
I wish they'd simply release him
.

So are you a Bronco fan or a Tebow fan?

HAT
08-20-2011, 10:08 PM
Tell me how this makes sense? Standing on the sidelines in pads while other guys take reps - how does anyone improve?

Same as any other profession really. Study, work hard, pay dues, keep your eyes and ears open and your nose to the grindstone, take advantage of opportunities as they present themselves.

You think 2nd year med school grads are performing open heart surgery?
Lawyers 2 years removed from passing the bar overseeing death row appeals?

DrFate
08-20-2011, 10:21 PM
So are you a Bronco fan or a Tebow fan?

I've been a Broncos fan since '86

Tebow is a circus - if they release him, the media can concentrate on the players who are playing. And the fans can start looking towards the QB we draft in the first round of 2012.

I was dismayed when they McDaniels drafted Tebow - I laughed. But I've watched Orton for SIX years and I know what he can do. (which isn't much)

Either give Tebow a fair shake or plan for 2012.

DrFate
08-20-2011, 10:23 PM
Same as any other profession really. Study, work hard, pay dues, keep your eyes and ears open and your nose to the grindstone, take advantage of opportunities as they present themselves.

You think 2nd year med school grads are performing open heart surgery?
Lawyers 2 years removed from passing the bar overseeing death row appeals?

You and I both know that's not how it works. You don't learn to ride a bike or drive a car without actually riding the bike or driving the car (that's why they have learners permits). If he can't even get snaps IN PRESEASON, it's clear he's not in the plan.

From where I sit, he took advantage of those opportunities - he did better than expected in the final 3 games of last season.

JDB7821
08-20-2011, 10:32 PM
I've been a Broncos fan since '86

Tebow is a circus - if they release him, the media can concentrate on the players who are playing. And the fans can start looking towards the QB we draft in the first round of 2012.

I was dismayed when they McDaniels drafted Tebow - I laughed. But I've watched Orton for SIX years and I know what he can do. (which isn't much)

Either give Tebow a fair shake or plan for 2012.

The funny thing is they could do both at the same time if they wanted.

I'm a big Tim Tebow fan, I'll be the first to admit it. That might seem weird coming from a UGA fan, but he won me over. The first few times I saw him play I repeatedly said "this guy isn't going to make it in the SEC playing like this"...turns out the kid could play. That said, I see the same people saying the same things about him now in the NFL. I doubted Tim Tebow before, but I will never doubt him again after the things he has accomplished.

With that said, can someone explain to me why Aaron Rodgers gets 3 full seasons to sit and learn while people are ready to write this kid off after about 1.25 offseasons of work? He's rough around the edges and far from a polished quarterback. But come on, let the guy develop. It doesn't mean he has to play every snap even in preseason. Give him a chance to bust his ass in practice and he'll get there eventually. I doubted him before and he proved me wrong. I know he'll do the same to many of you now.

extralife
08-20-2011, 10:53 PM
But come on, let the guy develop

There you go: let him develop. You yourself mentioned Rodgers. Might as well throw Phillip Rivers in there too. What three things do they have in common? They were polished coming out of school, they still sat for a long time, and they're now both elite NFL QBs. But no, Tim Jesus has to start in year two or the world is going to end.

Pseudofool
08-20-2011, 10:58 PM
The more probable answer is that the staff is being douches because he's not Elway's guy.Why would Elway spend extra time wiht the guy if that was the case? I suppose that's a PR move?

JDB7821
08-20-2011, 11:05 PM
There you go: let him develop. You yourself mentioned Rodgers. Might as well throw Phillip Rivers in there too. What three things do they have in common? They were polished coming out of school, they still sat for a long time, and they're now both elite NFL QBs. But no, Tim Jesus has to start in year two or the world is going to end.

I actually specifically remember watching Rodgers' draft and they were asking why he slipped in the draft and Kiper (I believe) mentioned outside of the needs of teams that his throwing motion was a little off. It wasn't an elongated release like Tebow's, but I do remember him saying it was a point of contention. The other point in allowing a young quarterback to sit and learn is who he learns from. Rivers got to watch Brees. Rodgers got to watch Favre. Tebow gets to watch...Orton. Tebow has the deck stacked against him in comparison with the other guys, but I still think he can develop over the next couple of years.

SoCalBronco
08-20-2011, 11:08 PM
Why would Elway spend extra time wiht the guy if that was the case? I suppose that's a PR move?

PR move appears to be the most likely answer. If they really want to give him work, they'd give him more reps in practice and in games. Not two freaking passes, one of which is a screen. How bout you give him some reps with the 1st team OL so he doesn't get his brains beaten out?

Why not just let him work rather than spending the summer talking him down? What did he do to deserve all of that? I get that he's raw and has in the pocket issues, but why all the organizational piling on?

Bob's your Information Minister
08-20-2011, 11:20 PM
**** you, Fox.
**** you, McCoy.
**** you, Gase.

Are you under the impression that Elway wants Tebow to play and is being overruled by these three people, or can you just not bring yourself to say "**** you, Horseface" yet?

SoCalBronco
08-20-2011, 11:24 PM
Are you under the impression that Elway wants Tebow to play and is being overruled by these three people, or can you just not bring yourself to say "**** you, Horseface" yet?

Nice job cutting and pasting other people's posts as if they were your own, Bob.

Bob's your Information Minister
08-20-2011, 11:31 PM
Trolling the mane is a team effort.

But I've made the point myself in the past.

Elway is all-in for his Stanford godchild.

extralife
08-20-2011, 11:57 PM
The other point in allowing a young quarterback to sit and learn is who he learns from. Rivers got to watch Brees. Rodgers got to watch Favre. Tebow gets to watch...Orton.

I'll give you Brees, but there's very little to Favre's game that a young QB would want to emulate. He was just really good. But the whole "watching the guy in front of you" thing is a media invention. The benefit to sitting isn't watching the starter, it's practicing and getting two years and three offseasons with NFL coaches.

Maximus
08-21-2011, 12:02 AM
LOL The coaching staff is phasing the Tebow BS out. They are doing the right thing. Orton looked good.

Pseudofool
08-21-2011, 12:17 AM
PR move appears to be the most likely answer. That's too cynical and silly. The Duke isn't going to waste his time, PRing to appease the fanbase after practice. That sounds phoney.

If they really want to give him work, they'd give him more reps in practice and in games. Not two freaking passes, one of which is a screen. How bout you give him some reps with the 1st team OL so he doesn't get his brains beaten out?Giving him work and him working on what the coaching staff feels are his problems might not be one in the same. If Tebows problems are still with footwork and mechanics, his exposure in game time might undercut that development, given his ability to generate off-the-cuff.

Why not just let him work rather than spending the summer talking him down? What did he do to deserve all of that? I get that he's raw and has in the pocket issues, but why all the organizational piling on?I'm not seeing the piling on. I'm seeing a leveling with the the fanbase. The fact they tried to trade Orton before seeing if Quinn could be worth a damn, suggests that the FO could live with Tebow as a starter.

It's too bad that you're starting to see Elway as an extension of Bowlen.

SoCalBronco
08-21-2011, 12:25 AM
That's too cynical and silly. The Duke isn't going to waste his time, PRing to appease the fanbase after practice. That sounds phoney.

Giving him work and him working on what the coaching staff feels are his problems might not be one in the same. If Tebows problems are still with footwork and mechanics, his exposure in game time might undercut that development, given his ability to generate off-the-cuff.

I'm not seeing the piling on. I'm seeing a leveling with the the fanbase. The fact they tried to trade Orton before seeing if Quinn could be worth a damn, suggests that the FO could live with Tebow as a starter.

It's too bad that you're starting to see Elway as an extension of Bowlen.

I don't think he's an extension of Bowlen. He's made a number of errors on his own, but I'll say that Bowlen isn't exactly making it easy for him to succeed, either. If he were an extension of Bowlen, he wouldn't have said trading Cutler was a mistake like he did earlier this offseason (prolly the best thing he's said so far).

HAT
08-21-2011, 12:29 AM
How bout you give him some reps with the 1st team OL so he doesn't get his brains beaten out?



"Tebow's offense" has ran 31 1st half plays to "Quinn's offense" 9 1st half plays.
(Including punts & FG attempts).

Overall....

Orton: 40
Tebow: 45
Quinn: 59

You emo queers are reading way to much into this if you think there's some Bronco conspiracy to limit Tebow's NFLX snaps through 2 whole games.

There's plenty of tape on Orton as a Broncos starter. There's limited tape on Tebow as a Broncos starter. There is NO tape of Quinn as a Broncos starter. Preseason is for evaluation and that's exactly what the staff is doing.

Once week 1 rolls around it doesn't matter who is #2 and who is #3....ESPECIALLY with the new rule.

Assuming no trades.....Orton's gonna start and Tebow will see the field situationaly. If Orton gets hurt early, Quinn will replace him and Tebow will see the field situationally. If Orton gets hurt late, Tebow will replace him and Quinn will back him up.

vancejohnson82
08-21-2011, 12:42 AM
"Tebow's offense" has ran 31 1st half plays to "Quinn's offense" 9 1st half plays.
(Including punts & FG attempts).

Overall....

Orton: 40
Tebow: 45
Quinn: 59

You emo queers are reading way to much into this if you think there's some Bronco conspiracy to limit Tebow's NFLX snaps through 2 whole games.

There's plenty of tape on Orton as a Broncos starter. There's limited tape on Tebow as a Broncos starter. There is NO tape of Quinn as a Broncos starter. Preseason is for evaluation and that's exactly what the staff is doing.

Once week 1 rolls around it doesn't matter who is #2 and who is #3....ESPECIALLY with the new rule.

Assuming no trades.....Orton's gonna start and Tebow will see the field situationaly. If Orton gets hurt early, Quinn will replace him and Tebow will see the field situationally. If Orton gets hurt late, Tebow will replace him and Quinn will back him up.

BANG.....Tebow will see the field this year in some gimmick packages

BOSS

Agamemnon
08-21-2011, 02:59 AM
The way this team is handling Tebow has to be one of the stupidest and most tragic wastes I've ever seen in the NFL.

Just trade the guy already. This is disgusting. So much for winning back the trust of the fans. So much for wanting "gamers".

TailgateNut
08-21-2011, 04:34 AM
The way this team is handling Tebow has to be one of the stupidest and most tragic wastes I've ever seen in the NFL.

Just trade the guy already. This is disgusting. So much for winning back the trust of the fans. So much for wanting "gamers".


Translated: I'm gonna scream and hold my breath until they do what I think is the right thing for Tebow. The team be damned.

elsid13
08-21-2011, 05:52 AM
The more probable answer is that the staff is being douches because he's not Elway's guy.

Or he skipping passes in practice on the screen plays still.

elsid13
08-21-2011, 05:57 AM
If he was really the QBOTF here, then why would Elway be constantly criticizing him? Why would they be going out of their way to minimize his reps? Don't QBOTF need reps to develop? Isn't that the whole point of the "future" part?

The only reason Elway is talking about him, is because reporters keep asking questions about Tebow and he answering them. If the press corp was asking him about Orton and Quinn he would be doing the same thing.

Just because Tebow is nice guy doesn't mean he will every be starting QB in the NFL.

Cito Pelon
08-21-2011, 07:27 AM
It's time to stop the charade. Just cut the kid loose and admit there was never any competition because he was drafted by McDaniels. Start planning for the QB we take #1 in 2012.

Aw c'mon man. THEY DANGLED ORTON AS TRADE BAIT!!!!!!!!!!! And Tebow started camp as the #2. If he practiced well he could have taken over the #1. And I don't want to hear "it's practice, man."

I loved me some Tebow last year, but if he, you, me, anybody wants to see him as #2 or #1, then he has to start executing in practice. It's Tebow's own fault he's where he's at on the depth chart.

I bet he knows that himself. Everybody knows it except some fans.

Orange_Beard
08-21-2011, 09:04 AM
I've been a Broncos fan since '86

Tebow is a circus - if they release him, the media can concentrate on the players who are playing. And the fans can start looking towards the QB we draft in the first round of 2012.

I was dismayed when they McDaniels drafted Tebow - I laughed. But I've watched Orton for SIX years and I know what he can do. (which isn't much)

Either give Tebow a fair shake or plan for 2012.
If they release him, it will cost in jersey sales!
Don't see how it makes sense to just release him. There is a first round pick invested. Plenty of young QB season on the bench. I don't see how it is not a fair shake letting him season.
The team seems to be clear about who the started will be. Let the media do it's thing, the media will move on to something else soon enough.
I believe The Broncos coaches are going to play the guys who give us the best chance to win. Seems like people around here think it is some how unfair to have tebow sit on the bench. I don't really buy this he is a gamer bs. Consistency is developed in practice. Tebow needs consistency, this idea he can just show up on Sunday and play just is not going to work.

DrFate
08-21-2011, 01:50 PM
Aw c'mon man. THEY DANGLED ORTON AS TRADE BAIT!!!!!!!!!!!

That's why this entire fiasco makes no sense. No one has provided any explanation on how a week of throwing in shorts changed the mind of the front office after they had SIX MONTHS of time to look at game film, talk to the returning OC McCoy, and make a decision. And the decision was to trade Orton.

It boils down to a bipolar group running this team, which terrifies me. I realize Tebow isn't 'their guy' and McDaniels was the one how made the choice. Fine. And if they Fox/Elway had decided in FEB or MAR that Orton was the guy - I could at least understand it. But they put Orton on the block in JULY, and then did a complete 180 after a couple days of playing catch. That demonstrates a complete lack of leadership.

This has never been about Orton looking better in practice or Tebow regressing or whatever (to me at least). It's about how these alleged professionals have six months to make a decision, they MAKE that decision, and then they throw that decision away after a couple practices in shorts?

If Tebow 'isn't ready', he certainly wouldn't be any more ready if Orton were in Miami today. So if Tebow isn't ready, that means the FO made a HUGE mistake in dangling Orton in July.

Unless they walked into camp and P. Manning was wearing #8, this chain of events simply doesn't compute.

DrFate
08-21-2011, 01:54 PM
Don't see how it makes sense to just release him. There is a first round pick invested. Plenty of young QB season on the bench.

It's an ongoing distraction - every game, regardless of outcome, the first media question is about Tebow. I don't think that distraction is productive. On the ESPN coverage this morning, the first comment was about Tebow - the guy attempted all of TWO passes, and he's still a media fixation.

Tebow started 3 games last year and impressed many. If Elway and Fox weren't impressed, that's entirely their perogative - but it's clear that if Tebow can't even get snaps in a meaningless preseason game, he's not part of the future. Moving Tebow helps from a PR perspective, reduces the media nonsense, and provides a clearer direction regarding the direction of this franchise. It doesn't matter that he was a first round pick, if Tebow has no future here, you are paying him to be a distraction. I don't see the upside.

The Moops
08-21-2011, 09:09 PM
So let's say the Broncos proceed to start Orton and the team plays well enough this year to go 8-8 (does anyone REALLY think we're going to do better than .500??)

Where does that lead us ... with Orton and Quinn as unrestricted free agents, and another season where Tebow doesn't get more than a handful of snaps.

What happens in 2012? Trade Tebow, pay a ton of money to keep Orton and let Quinn sign elsewhere ... knowing that Orton will never be better than a .500 QB (as his 32-29 career record indicates). Or trade Tebow, keep Quinn and let Orton sign elsewhere knowing Quinn is hardly a lights-out QB.

The Broncos will have to give up a boatload of picks if they think they can get Andrew Luck ... and for the first time, the team with the worst record will NOT be open to trade offers.

The Broncos execs should cut Tebow loose now if they're not going to play him -- at least let him go somewhere for a fresh start. If they had traded Orton, Tebow and Quinn would have been able to show the Broncos brass which QB to keep for the future...

I feel this season is going to be a repeat of last year ... with maybe 2 more wins because of a better defense.

MacGruder
08-21-2011, 09:29 PM
It's an ongoing distraction - every game, regardless of outcome, the first media question is about Tebow. I don't think that distraction is productive. On the ESPN coverage this morning, the first comment was about Tebow - the guy attempted all of TWO passes, and he's still a media fixation.

Tebow started 3 games last year and impressed many. If Elway and Fox weren't impressed, that's entirely their perogative - but it's clear that if Tebow can't even get snaps in a meaningless preseason game, he's not part of the future. Moving Tebow helps from a PR perspective, reduces the media nonsense, and provides a clearer direction regarding the direction of this franchise. It doesn't matter that he was a first round pick, if Tebow has no future here, you are paying him to be a distraction. I don't see the upside.

It may have fueled Orton and Quinn... lol

I think that was what McDaniels envisioned last season. It may have had a delayed effect. I don't see how people could not be inspired by his play and attitude.. and If I was Orton and saw how loved Tebow is for his play and intangibles it would make me take a look at myself in the mirror. This is why so many seem to dislike TT because he highlights that they don't have those qualities. He might even raise the whole level of the team especially with all this media attention. Tebow's coaches have talked about his "pied piper effect" on his teams.

Imagine Orton and Quinn seeing all the pub on Tebow all offseason after his play last year. lol Unfortunately Tebow was the one most hurt by the lockout and because of the Tebow effect it might have helped everyone else.

I also think Elway's impact may help guys like Quinn and Orton and not Tebow... he understands their style of play more and is probably better helping them improve their games than someone like Tebow who is a tougher player to develop because of his unique situation. Elway could be helping the other Qbs dramatically and hurting Tebow by forcing him to be a conventional QB.

DBroncos4life
08-21-2011, 09:55 PM
LOL at you thinking Elway was/is a conventional QB.

The Joker
08-21-2011, 09:59 PM
I just don't see why it's now or bust for Tebow?

He signed a five year contract with the team, and many experts said that he'd need a couple of years of development before he was ready to start. He's missed an entire offseason with the team due to the lockout, and reports from camp have said his mechanics still need work and he's been very inaccurate on the shorter throws.

I've no doubt that if we started him now he'd make some big plays for us. We all know he can make plays with his legs, and he throws a very pretty deep ball. But you need to be able to work the short and intermediate passing game too, and if the staff don't feel he can do that yet then I can totally see the logic in not starting him this year. Let him work on his game for another year and see if he can improve his game and challenge for a start late in the year if Orton struggles or gets hurt.

If not, hopefully he'll be ready for 2012.

SonOfLe-loLang
08-21-2011, 10:02 PM
I stand corrected, is is accurate with around 50% of his throws, just not good enough to be an NFL qb.

He was throwing at 50 percent, but his completion average was astronomical. Woulda been highest in the league, BY FAR, if averaged out over a full season. Statistics arent always so cut and dry

MacGruder
08-21-2011, 10:21 PM
LOL at you thinking Elway was/is a conventional QB.

Compared to Tebow he sure is.. especially as he got older. He said he didn't win until he became a conventional QB and he says Tebow has to learn that too to an extent. But I think he is forgetting that this is a new era... things are different than when he played. They are different than most realize.

Compared to Tebow Vince Young and Vick are CONVENTIONAL QBs.. lol That is how unconventional he is.

Shananahan
08-21-2011, 10:27 PM
things are different than when he played. They are different than most realize.
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MacGruder
08-21-2011, 10:36 PM
Steve Young just called Tebow "Greatness we are watching"
He basically all but guaranteed Tebow will be great, win a lot of games, and will change the position as we know it. When asked about Tebow his first response was "Tim Tebow is greatness" and if someone builds on the offense we are running with him he would be the only guy to run this "new" scheme and thus become great with his unique skill set whether is running or passing the ball.

vancejohnson82
08-21-2011, 11:06 PM
Steve Young just called Tebow "Greatness we are watching"
He basically all but guaranteed Tebow will be great, win a lot of games, and will change the position as we know it. When asked about Tebow his first response was "Tim Tebow is greatness" and if someone builds on the offense we are running with him he would be the only guy to run this "new" scheme and thus become great with his unique skill set whether is running or passing the ball.

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Shananahan
08-21-2011, 11:19 PM
Please don't let the immaturity of that last video posted cause you to disregard mine as well, MacGruder. Mine was from the heart.

vancejohnson82
08-21-2011, 11:23 PM
Please don't let the immaturity of that last video posted cause you to disregard mine as well, MacGruder. Mine was from the heart.

If I see that Steve Young post one more time I'm going to light my first born's hermit crab on fire

MacGruder
08-21-2011, 11:25 PM
Are you guys drunk?

rbackfactory80
08-22-2011, 07:25 AM
What a shame. Never though I would miss the McDaniels regime.

bendog
08-22-2011, 07:34 AM
What a shame. Never though I would miss the McDaniels regime.

Elway's a failure.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-22-2011, 07:35 AM
The more probable answer is that the staff is being douches because he's not Elway's guy.

lol.

bendog
08-22-2011, 07:42 AM
lol.

Well, it's TRUE. No one doubts that Elway would force Fox to play a guy who isn't as good as another guy because Elway didn't pick him! It's as obvious as sunrise.

Cito Pelon
08-22-2011, 08:28 AM
That's why this entire fiasco makes no sense. No one has provided any explanation on how a week of throwing in shorts changed the mind of the front office after they had SIX MONTHS of time to look at game film, talk to the returning OC McCoy, and make a decision. And the decision was to trade Orton.

It boils down to a bipolar group running this team, which terrifies me. I realize Tebow isn't 'their guy' and McDaniels was the one how made the choice. Fine. And if they Fox/Elway had decided in FEB or MAR that Orton was the guy - I could at least understand it. But they put Orton on the block in JULY, and then did a complete 180 after a couple days of playing catch. That demonstrates a complete lack of leadership.

This has never been about Orton looking better in practice or Tebow regressing or whatever (to me at least). It's about how these alleged professionals have six months to make a decision, they MAKE that decision, and then they throw that decision away after a couple practices in shorts?

If Tebow 'isn't ready', he certainly wouldn't be any more ready if Orton were in Miami today. So if Tebow isn't ready, that means the FO made a HUGE mistake in dangling Orton in July.

Unless they walked into camp and P. Manning was wearing #8, this chain of events simply doesn't compute.

I dunno, man. It's a tough situation for all involved, including fans.

I can see all the different POV's about the QB situation. Coaches do not like Qb's that don't execute the play as designed, but OTOH improvisational QB's can score some points (so to speak) with coaches.

And a young, raw guy like Tebow MIGHT benefit from being thrown into the fire, but coaches are coaching for their jobs and tend to like the QB (as I mentioned above) that execute the play as designed. It gives them that nice comfort level, that nice comfortable rut where they feel they have control.

Also, I think the players like the QB that practices well, that executes the play in practice so they in turn learn THEIR roles in the play - and also importantly - get to show THEIR skills in practice. I've played on a lot of teams and it's frustrating to practice with a guy that isn't doing his job correctly - because it affects your job.

I'm gonna just try to relax and see how it plays out.

DrFate
08-22-2011, 08:29 AM
I dunno, man. It's a tough situation for all involved, including fans.

I can see all the different POV's about the QB situation. Coaches do not like Qb's that don't execute the play as designed, but OTOH improvisational QB's can score some points (so to speak) with coaches.

And a young, raw guy like Tebow MIGHT benefit from being thrown into the fire, but coaches are coaching for their jobs and tend to like the QB (as I mentioned above) that execute the play as designed. It gives them that nice comfort level, that nice comfortable rut where they feel they have control.

Also, I think the players like the QB that practices well, that executes the play in practice so they in turn learn THEIR roles in the play - and also importantly - get to show THEIR skills in practice. I've played on a lot of teams and it's frustrating to practice with a guy that isn't doing his job correctly - because it affects your job.

I'm gonna just try to relax and see how it plays out.

I disagree... with none of this. :thumbsup:

2KBack
08-22-2011, 08:34 AM
I disagree... with none of this. :thumbsup:

seconded