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Ratboy
08-20-2011, 07:50 PM
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hard to tell, but looked clean.

Cosmo
08-20-2011, 07:58 PM
It was clean, but its almost impossible for players to avoid helmet to helmet hits when the receiver comes down in the air onto their shoulder. But he lead with shoulder, so he will not get a fine.

epicSocialism4tw
08-20-2011, 07:59 PM
It was a good hit. Shoulder to the chest...into the cradled ball.

But now that our society has been wussified, the NFL will overreact to anything that looks violent.

Archer81
08-20-2011, 08:02 PM
It was a good hit.

He probably will be fined. Just how it goes.

:Broncos:

MVP-06
08-20-2011, 08:02 PM
could have been way worse. thought he tried to lead with his shoulder. i'm pissed he was removed and told to head to the bench by himself.

db56
08-20-2011, 08:03 PM
It was a good hit. Shoulder to the chest...into the cradled ball.

But now that our society has been wussified, the NFL will overreact to anything that looks violent.

This...

looked textbook to me, he led with his shoulder and not helmet.

Ratboy
08-20-2011, 08:03 PM
I love what I am seeing from this defense.

teknic
08-20-2011, 08:04 PM
This is exactly why I dislike the defenseless receiver rule. Moore played that exactly how he should have. Running to the ball at full speed, you have fractions of a second to make the decision to either hit the guy if he's about to make the catch, or to pull up if the receiver isn't able to make the play. I'm not sure how the NFL wants teams to defend the pass (hint: they don't) if they are going to take away the ability of defensive players to finish the play.

Here's a rational thought, how about we make the quarterback and receivers accountable for making themselves vulnerable to injury. Maybe the QB shouldn't lead his receiver into a big hit. This rule is a major cop out, basically absolving the QB of responsibility for letting his receiver get killed.

It did look like Moore's helmet caught the receiver right under the chin from watching on tv, but it did not look intentional.

cabronco
08-20-2011, 08:04 PM
Doesn't look like he left his feet and launched himself head first. But would like to see a slo mo replay. Even if its close they'll prolly crack down on it.

bronco militia
08-20-2011, 08:04 PM
good hit, but he'll get fined for not playing the ball while hitting a defenseless reciever....I hate these rules

McDman
08-20-2011, 08:05 PM
It was the turf that hurt the guy, not the hit.

KipCorrington25
08-20-2011, 08:06 PM
Quite typically they penalize the result and not the hit itself. If the guy jumps up and runs off then the likelyhood of no call increases.

Having said that I like to see someone bring the lumber, this defense needs to get a little swagger back after years of being toothless.

theAPAOps5
08-20-2011, 08:07 PM
I would say the NFL is becoming gay but I don't want to offend gay guys! It is a violent sport big hits happen.

teknic
08-20-2011, 08:08 PM
Quite typically they penalize the result and not the hit itself. If the guy jumps up and runs off then the likelyhood of no call increases.

Having said that I like to see someone bring the lumber, this defense needs to get a little swagger back after years of being toothless.

This, exactly.

The flag wasn't thrown until the receiver was laying on the ground not moving.

Quoydogs
08-20-2011, 08:08 PM
BS call.

epicSocialism4tw
08-20-2011, 08:08 PM
It was the turf that hurt the guy, not the hit.

Yup.

Its just a violent play. Two physically fit athletes running into each other at full speed at full leap. The guy that gets the worst of it is going to eat the turf.

Baba Booey
08-20-2011, 08:09 PM
A hit is a hit, but I didn't like seeing him all alone over there on the sidelines. Hopefully Dawk, Champ, and the like will talk him up during halftime.

The last thing I want is for him to pull up when the next ball is in the air.

Baba Booey
08-20-2011, 08:09 PM
Quite typically they penalize the result and not the hit itself. If the guy jumps up and runs off then the likelyhood of no call increases.

Having said that I like to see someone bring the lumber, this defense needs to get a little swagger back after years of being toothless.

Gotta agree here. If Jones bounces right back up, it's 4th and 19.

epicSocialism4tw
08-20-2011, 08:09 PM
I would say the NFL is becoming gay but I don't want to offend gay guys! It is a violent sport big hits happen.

Gay isn't the word...the NFL (and our culture) wants men to become feminized.

MVP-06
08-20-2011, 08:11 PM
Alfred Williams is pissing me off. Former defensive player taking sides with the ref's.

Ratboy
08-20-2011, 08:11 PM
Gotta agree here. If Jones bounces right back up, it's 4th and 19.

Yep.

Bronco Boy
08-20-2011, 08:41 PM
In reality, how can you not lead with your head? It's on top of your ****in body.

myMind
08-20-2011, 08:45 PM
Gay isn't the word...the NFL (and our culture) wants men to become feminized.

Im sure your manboobs fill the bill :thumbs:

theAPAOps5
08-20-2011, 08:58 PM
Pro football talk sticking with the headline that it was helmet to helmet. Got to love crap reporting.

epicSocialism4tw
08-20-2011, 09:05 PM
Im sure your manboobs fill the bill :thumbs:

Weird.

Its your people who want men to become women and women to become men, so I'm not sure what problems you have with the feminization of men.

myMind
08-20-2011, 09:23 PM
Weird.

Its your people who want men to become women and women to become men, so I'm not sure what problems you have with the feminization of men.

I think people can be whoever the **** they want to be.

This transexual conspiracy theory you're harping on just might be the re-emergance of repressed memory for you.
Nosce te ipsum.

epicSocialism4tw
08-20-2011, 09:26 PM
I think people can be whoever the **** they want to be.

This transexual conspiracy theory you're harping on just might be the re-emergance of repressed memory for you.
Nosce te ipsum.

Thanks for the tin-foil hat perspective.

myMind
08-20-2011, 09:27 PM
Its your people who want men to become women and women to become men, so I'm not sure what problems you have with the feminization of men.


Thanks for the tin-foil hat perspective.

Riiiiight...I'm the paranoid one.

And WTF does " you people" mean?
Generalizations like that don't make you sound good.

epicSocialism4tw
08-20-2011, 09:28 PM
Riiiiight...I'm the paranoid one.

Yes, you are. Its probably the meth.

theAPAOps5
08-20-2011, 09:29 PM
What the **** happened in this thread.

myMind
08-20-2011, 09:33 PM
What the **** happened in this thread.

Epicfail happened.
I got drawn into his argumentative whirlwind.
Sorry.

epicSocialism4tw
08-20-2011, 09:33 PM
Epicfail happened.
I got drawn into his argumentative whirlwind.
Sorry.

No, you derailed it. failedMind.

Take some responsibility, kid. Goodness knows your parents want you to.

Bronco Boy
08-20-2011, 09:36 PM
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myMind
08-20-2011, 09:41 PM
No, you derailed it. failedMind.

Take some responsibility, kid. Goodness knows your parents want you to.

Another shot in the dark that misses like almost everything else you say.
The lack of perspective you have at your advanced(?) age must frustrate the **** out of everyone who tries to have a conversation with you.

All I was commenting on after my initial jibe was how stupid it is to think that there is some societal agenda to "pussify" our nation.
You are just another example of how the human brain can't go with the flow of life after it has solidified its beliefs and paradigms.

myMind
08-20-2011, 09:42 PM
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTgygK0c36TjZ81nRg06bp_Wy3Wdo2rU GeeFlfYn5zMWHjV4oyL

Almost funny...
Almost.

gyldenlove
08-20-2011, 09:48 PM
There is no other way he can deliver that hit, he leads with his shoulder, he doesn't launch himself and he goes for the body. The reciever has his head out because he is jumping for the ball and there is nothing Moore can do, it is a good hit with no bad intentions at all.

epicSocialism4tw
08-20-2011, 09:50 PM
Another shot in the dark that misses like almost everything else you say.
The lack of perspective you have at your advanced(?) age must frustrate the **** out of everyone who tries to have a conversation with you.

All I was commenting on after my initial jibe was how stupid it is to think that there is some societal agenda to "pussify" our nation.
You are just another example of how the human brain can't go with the flow of life after it has solidified its beliefs and paradigms.

Quit crying and go clean your room. No XBox until you finish.

epicSocialism4tw
08-20-2011, 09:51 PM
There is no other way he can deliver that hit, he leads with his shoulder, he doesn't launch himself and he goes for the body. The reciever has his head out because he is jumping for the ball and there is nothing Moore can do, it is a good hit with no bad intentions at all.

It was a clean play.

So much was made about it on the broadcast that the NFL will follow it up with a fine. It just looks shocking to see a guy knocked out cold with his body frozen in state.

Prodigal19
08-20-2011, 09:53 PM
epic takes every chance he gets to discriminate

epicSocialism4tw
08-20-2011, 09:59 PM
epic takes every chance he gets to discriminate

I think that most people would discriminate against you. :P

You can't hold that against me.

myMind
08-20-2011, 10:00 PM
Quit crying and go clean your room. No XBox until you finish.

Im glad you're able to keep believing your own drivel.
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epicSocialism4tw
08-20-2011, 10:04 PM
Way to keep believing your own drivel.

Alright, kid...its over. Move on. Everything's okay.

This is a football thread.

razorwire77
08-20-2011, 10:09 PM
Ronnie Lott would be broke and sentenced to 10 years in prison if he played in Roger Goodell's NFL. Between the excessive defensive PI's and contact rules, the hitting rules, and the latest kickoff rule, they are really altering fundamental parts of the game. Football is violent, the players know the risk and are extremely well compensated for it. Let them play the goddamn game.

myMind
08-20-2011, 10:14 PM
Alright, kid...its over. Move on. Everything's okay.

This is a football thread.

Is that right?
Football you say?
Then what were you doing bringing cultural implications into a football thread...yet again.
As much as I like to have the last word, I can tell it's almost impossible when conversing with a brain like a brickwall.

epicSocialism4tw
08-20-2011, 10:17 PM
Is that right?
Football you say?
Then what were you doing bringing cultural implications into a football thread...yet again.
As much as I like to have the last word, I can tell it's almost impossible when conversing with a brain like a brickwall.

http://www.finerminds.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/33/files/2009/11/delta_brainwave.gif

myMind
08-20-2011, 10:23 PM
http://www.finerminds.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/33/files/2009/11/delta_brainwave.gif

Proved my point...the end.

epicSocialism4tw
08-20-2011, 10:39 PM
Proved my point...the end.

http://i53.tinypic.com/fup0l1.jpg

Gort
08-20-2011, 10:59 PM
It was a good hit. Shoulder to the chest...into the cradled ball.

But now that our society has been wussified, the NFL will overreact to anything that looks violent.

he'll get fined no matter what slo-mo video shows. these fines are for PR purposes. the league wants to appear to care to the fans and the NFLPA, so he'll get fined.

hambone13
08-20-2011, 11:26 PM
This is exactly why I dislike the defenseless receiver rule. Moore played that exactly how he should have. Running to the ball at full speed, you have fractions of a second to make the decision to either hit the guy if he's about to make the catch, or to pull up if the receiver isn't able to make the play. I'm not sure how the NFL wants teams to defend the pass (hint: they don't) if they are going to take away the ability of defensive players to finish the play.

Here's a rational thought, how about we make the quarterback and receivers accountable for making themselves vulnerable to injury. Maybe the QB shouldn't lead his receiver into a big hit. This rule is a major cop out, basically absolving the QB of responsibility for letting his receiver get killed.

It did look like Moore's helmet caught the receiver right under the chin from watching on tv, but it did not look intentional.

I don't think the NFL is making a bad decision in addressing serious injuries. If the defender is tackling for a form tackle, this almost always never happens. You tackle the man, at the hips not the head or shoulders. However, I agree with much of what you said in general but proper tackling is far from execution in the current game.

StugotsIII
08-20-2011, 11:37 PM
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ChrisToker
08-21-2011, 12:08 AM
He got knocked the phuk out!!!

24champ
08-21-2011, 12:20 AM
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Pow!

:strong:

bombay
08-21-2011, 12:26 AM
Unconscionable. It was a dirty, unnecesary hit.

Ratboy
08-21-2011, 12:28 AM
Unconscioinable. It was a dirty, unnecesary hit.

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StugotsIII
08-21-2011, 12:46 AM
Unconscionable. It was a dirty, unnecesary hit.


It was not at all "dirty."


He was playing safety and a pass went over the top. The receiver made a play on the ball and Moore separated the ball from the receiver.


The NFL is turning into a league of hypocrites, and it's slowly turning their fans into them as well. This is a game of brutal violence. That is what we love about it. That is why we watch.


NFL Films, which I love has thousands of hits like this in slow motion, set to music.


I don't know how anyone can expect these players to as they are making a play on a ball, think to themselves….hey….I need to hit this guy slightly lower and to the left, and do so in a split second.

StugotsIII
08-21-2011, 12:49 AM
Alfred Williams is pissing me off. Former defensive player taking sides with the ref's.

I have to think a mandate from the NFL has come down to broadcasters to get behind this rule…

I've heard numerous ex players side with the faggy rule changes…

Perry1977
08-21-2011, 12:59 AM
Let me first say that I am shocked that we are actually talking about Rahim Moore actually hitting somebody too hard. But this is the type of hit safeties live for...there is absolutely nothing wrong with what he did, why is it even a question?

He didn't launch himself head first, he didn't go helmet to helmet. He led with his shoulder, timed it perfectly with the ball....and if that receiver actually had hands and started to bring it in, it would have been knocked away.

What the f*&^ is a safety supposed to do? Let him catch it?

Its FOOTBALL FFS!

Perry1977
08-21-2011, 01:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A3-LfFzHxM

Perry1977
08-21-2011, 01:18 AM
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Shananahan
08-21-2011, 01:25 AM
I didn't feel like spending much time on this, but I cobbled up some .gifs using the above video clips and some third-world software.

A fine wouldn't surprise me, and is probably justifiable given the current rules. There was nothing 'dirty' about this hit, though. It's pretty much perfect, in my opinion, and like somebody else said I hope he doesn't let it affect the way he plays.

This may or may not take forever to load so if it's a problem I'll just edit the post, but here goes:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/Macgregor/moore1.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/Macgregor/moore2.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/Macgregor/moore3.gif

bombay
08-21-2011, 01:28 AM
So, anyway, dirty hit. Glad it's our guy, but that doesn't change anything.

Unecesary hit on an unprotected player in a preseason game.

Shananahan
08-21-2011, 01:28 AM
I probably should have waited for the HD youtube to pop up before doing that.

Hotwheelz
08-21-2011, 01:28 AM
It was definitely clean. Furthermore, Moore showed incredible maturity in ignoring Johnson and walking away.

hambone13
08-21-2011, 01:29 AM
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If he was tackling properly, this would have never happened. Tackling happens at the center, not the head. Last minute, speed of the game BS arguments are not relevant if proper tackling is being addressed. I enjoy the game as much as anyone else but it's not necessary to hit that high.

bombay
08-21-2011, 01:39 AM
If he was tackling properly, this would have never happened. Tackling happens at the center, not the head. Last minute, speed of the game BS arguments are not relevant if proper tackling is being addressed. I enjoy the game as much as anyone else but it's not necessary to hit that high.



Yep.

ant1999e
08-21-2011, 01:49 AM
BS. They should just wear pink flags and be done with it.

Punisher
08-21-2011, 01:49 AM
I love what I am seeing from this defense.

this

hambone13
08-21-2011, 01:55 AM
I didn't feel like spending much time on this, but I cobbled up some .gifs using the above video clips and some third-world software.

A fine wouldn't surprise me, and is probably justifiable given the current rules. There was nothing 'dirty' about this hit, though. It's pretty much perfect, in my opinion, and like somebody else said I hope he doesn't let it affect the way he plays.

This may or may not take forever to load so if it's a problem I'll just edit the post, but here goes:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/Macgregor/moore1.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/Macgregor/moore2.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/Macgregor/moore3.gif

There's no reason for him to be hitting that high. Tackle the man, not the helmet.

Shananahan
08-21-2011, 02:03 AM
Tell me about it!

In a perfect world there wouldn't be any hitting in football. Just clean, safe plays perfectly executed to eliminate any chance of injury or error. Like full-contact chess crossed with synchronized swimming or something.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-21-2011, 02:04 AM
Weird.

Its your people who want men to become women and women to become men, so I'm not sure what problems you have with the feminization of men.

Link?

troya900
08-21-2011, 02:10 AM
There's no reason for him to be hitting that high. Tackle the man, not the helmet.

Helmet? Looked more like his shoulder went into his chest, looks perfectly fine to me.

hambone13
08-21-2011, 02:11 AM
Tell me about it!

In a perfect world there wouldn't be any hitting in football. Just clean, safe plays perfectly executed to eliminate any chance of injury or error. Like full-contact chess crossed with synchronized swimming or something.

I love the hitting of great sports like football but I don't enjoy the glamor of bad play. If you can't hit the man hard enough in a proper tackle, then he deserves to catch it. There's no reason to give him brain damage over it, helmet or not.

hambone13
08-21-2011, 02:13 AM
Helmet? Looked more like his shoulder went into his chest, looks perfectly fine to me.

I didn't say he tackled the helmet. I just said, "tackle the man, not the helmet". My rugby coach would have run me for 2 days for tackling that high.

hambone13
08-21-2011, 02:31 AM
I don't think the NFL is making a bad decision in addressing serious injuries. If the defender is tackling for a form tackle, this almost always never happens. You tackle the man, at the hips not the head or shoulders. However, I agree with much of what you said in general but proper tackling is far from execution in the current game.

Seemingly, few want to address the comments that I made here but they want to address how weak anyone might be in addressing the realities of the sport's capacity for people being injured. I say again, there is validity in addressing player safety. I like watching them as much as any one. It's my hope to let them do it as long as they can.

hambone13
08-21-2011, 02:39 AM
My debate coach would have run you two days more for this.

Have you considered that perhaps Moore had no intention of making a form tackle, much less a tackle at all?

Your debate coach would be disappointed in general given that tackling is the only way to stop your opponent with the ball.

Shananahan
08-21-2011, 02:40 AM
My rugby coach would have run me for 2 days for tackling that high.
My high school debate coach would have run you two days more for that comment.

Have you considered that perhaps Moore had no intention of making a form tackle, much less a tackle at all?

StugotsIII
08-21-2011, 02:44 AM
So, anyway, dirty hit. Glad it's our guy, but that doesn't change anything.

Unecesary hit on an unprotected player in a preseason game.

Stop watching football.

Shananahan
08-21-2011, 02:45 AM
Sorry for the post confusion. Too slow on the edit and repost.

Your debate coach would be disappointed in general given that tackling is the only way to stop your opponent with the ball.
Are you still talking about rugby for some reason?

hambone13
08-21-2011, 03:05 AM
Sorry for the post confusion. Too slow on the edit and repost.


Are you still talking about rugby for some reason?

Not at all. It's a very similar game. I'm just saying that Moore had the time to tackle properly. He chose to go high (more importantly he was never encouraged not to). He'll be fined for it and I think the changing in the rules in the NFL are justified. It doesn't make the sport less of a sport, I just want to see players play longer. My rugby references are merely based on the fact that I don't think the NFL exemplifies proper tackling. Players get hurt because more often than not the "flying hit" sells more. More importantly, if they tackled through the hips, in a proper tackle like Champ, we'd have a better defense immediately.

Shananahan
08-21-2011, 03:25 AM
While I appreciate your groundbreaking insight on the purpose and proper method of tackling and find your passion for the subject oddly fascinating, it's wasted on this discussion because the play in question was not an attempted tackle nor did it require one.

hambone13
08-21-2011, 03:37 AM
While I appreciate your groundbreaking insight on the purpose and proper method of tackling and find your passion for the subject oddly fascinating, it's wasted on this discussion because the play in question was not an attempted tackle nor did it require one.

I couldn't have said it better myself. It would be even more intriguing if you saw Moore interview after the game and how often he referenced inflicting "pain" and what he was obviously coached to do. The bottom line is, he didn't need to hit the receiver the way he did in order to affect the play positively for us to win, during a pre-season game.

I only chose to engage in the conversation because you were so passionate about the pusssies that might have a difference of opinion about the call than yours.

Ratboy
08-21-2011, 04:01 AM
Helmet? Looked more like his shoulder went into his chest, looks perfectly fine to me.

and the ground is what caused him being knocked out,

There is a reason the flag took a good 5 seconds to even come into play. He questioned it, and eventually threw it due to the fact that he was hurt.

cutthemdown
08-21-2011, 04:16 AM
I told you guys you were going to love Moore. That hit was unusual for him at UCLA. He usually didn't go for the big hit. Shows me he is learning new tricks. The kid can flat out get to the football. He isn't blazing fast, but he gets to the football using quick reaction time, good positioning, and fluid athletic body control.

Miller and Moore both look like great finds in the draft.

cutthemdown
08-21-2011, 04:21 AM
I don't care if Broncos get penalized for this a bunch this yr. The good defenses get tons of these calls because they are mean and out to punish the offense. You lay a hit like that on the other team wr and they won't be doing much come the 4th quarter.

Great hit regardless of if it's legal or not. Goodell is ruining the league though. Dennis Smith made his career on hits just like that and far worst. He would launch himself into the air like a missile and I love him for it. Moore reminds me a little of Dennis Smith.

Shananahan
08-21-2011, 04:41 AM
The bottom line is, he didn't need to hit the receiver the way he did in order to affect the play positively for us to win, during a pre-season game.
Agreed. He could have simply yelled, "No! Don't catch it!" and then warmly embraced the guy out of bounds before helping him up and offering a few words of encouragement and good luck. Nobody would have gotten hurt, and the Broncos would still have won.

How exactly are you able to play rugby if you have such an aversion to contact?

ShutDownPoster
08-21-2011, 05:52 AM
Somewhere..... #27 - The Smiling Assassin is smiling his ass off :strong:

theAPAOps5
08-21-2011, 06:35 AM
Somewhere..... #27 - The Smiling Assassin is smiling his ass off :strong:

I am going to go out on a limb and say Atlanta. :curtsey:

Old Dude
08-21-2011, 07:52 AM
Any update on White?

Cito Pelon
08-21-2011, 08:15 AM
Rahim just hit him a little bit too high. Not a great big deal (to me). These guys just can't make the perfect "League-mandated" hit every time. We'll see plenty of penalties like this over the course of the season, just like the last few years because at the speed they're playing at there will be times helmet to helmet contact is made.

Ray Finkle
08-21-2011, 08:53 AM
I'm sorry the WR got hurt but that's the type of hitting this team has missed for a long time.

phibacka31
08-21-2011, 08:56 AM
I'm sorry the WR got hurt but that's the type of hitting this team has missed for a long time.

Thank you...:strong:

Baba Booey
08-21-2011, 09:03 AM
That was a good, clean hit that happened to knock the guy out. If he popped right back up there would have been no flag.

Stop watching football if you don't like it.

Play2win
08-21-2011, 09:38 AM
There is no other way he can deliver that hit, he leads with his shoulder, he doesn't launch himself and he goes for the body. The reciever has his head out because he is jumping for the ball and there is nothing Moore can do, it is a good hit with no bad intentions at all.

Looks exactly like the 100's of Ronnie Lott hits the league has used to promote itself over the years.

Garcia Bronco
08-21-2011, 09:40 AM
I was more upset about the late passer hit call on 92. It looked to me like Fitzpatrick pulled 92 on him.

Tombstone RJ
08-21-2011, 09:49 AM
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http://i.imgur.com/kbctr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lwqzV.jpg

hard to tell, but looked clean.

me likey!

bronco militia
08-21-2011, 09:53 AM
I was more upset about the late passer hit call on 92. It looked to me like Fitzpatrick pulled 92 on him.

I think what we saw with the roughing the passer calls last night are part of the new rules for 2011

Cito Pelon
08-21-2011, 10:36 AM
Some of the new rules are just silly. You can't leave your feet and launch as a tackler, but only if it results in helmet to helmet contact. If you launch and leave your feet but hit the guy in the stomach, hip, knee, or ankle, it's OK. And it doesn't count for running backs, only for WR's downfield somewhere. And there's some kind of helmet thing in there, but only for offensive players at some arbitrary point on the field. In the end zone, it's ok for a DB to hit a guy high, go helmet to helmet, but between the 20's, no it isn't ok.

It's goofy, but it is what it is. I thought it was an ok hit, fine with me, we just have to deal with there will be penalties sometimes on non-"League-mandated" hits like this and play lip service to the "League-mandated" rules. Just like the last few seasons, D's will have to deal with some penalties because there is no way as a coach you can tell these DB's and LB's to NOT hit a guy, and no way you can coach them to make a perfect, precise shoulder to a certain part of the body hit.

Actually, if I was a DB, I'd be thinking "Well, I may as well hit the guy in his knees, because I can't hit him from the hips up". Let's see how that works out.

Perry1977
08-21-2011, 11:35 AM
He twists his body to lead with the shoulder, hits the guy in the numbers. Guy is conscious as he falls to the ground. As he lands his head snaps and hits the turf, knocking him out. Clean, clean clean.

FISH
08-21-2011, 11:39 AM
http://mcenter.slideshowpro.com/albums/027/935/album-256674/cache/082011_broncos38.sJPG_900_540_0_95_1_50_50.sJPG?13 13940589

Tombstone RJ
08-21-2011, 12:11 PM
http://mcenter.slideshowpro.com/albums/027/935/album-256674/cache/082011_broncos38.sJPG_900_540_0_95_1_50_50.sJPG?13 13940589

priceless pic... welcome to the nfl...

Cito Pelon
08-21-2011, 12:24 PM
He twists his body to lead with the shoulder, hits the guy in the numbers. Guy is conscious as he falls to the ground. As he lands his head snaps and hits the turf, knocking him out. Clean, clean clean.

Yeah, I have to agree. Rahim wasn't trying to hurt the guy, he wasn't leading with his helmet, he was just playing football. I'd be fine with the hit if the WR was a Bronco. It really was the ground impact that KO'd him.

ChrisToker
08-21-2011, 12:45 PM
Let me first say that I am shocked that we are actually talking about Rahim Moore actually hitting somebody too hard. But this is the type of hit safeties live for...there is absolutely nothing wrong with what he did, why is it even a question?

He didn't launch himself head first, he didn't go helmet to helmet. He led with his shoulder, timed it perfectly with the ball....and if that receiver actually had hands and started to bring it in, it would have been knocked away.

What the f*&^ is a safety supposed to do? Let him catch it?

Its FOOTBALL FFS!

All of what you wrote was 100% correct. Times have changed to point we are watching flag football when it comes to the QB & WR. It's a shame that the term "Laying the lumber" no longer applys to NFL vocabulary.

Dedhed
08-21-2011, 12:49 PM
Generalizations like that don't make you sound good.

That's all he's got. You're new here. He's a bigoted douche, don't spend much energy on him.

Dedhed
08-21-2011, 12:55 PM
I didn't say he tackled the helmet. I just said, "tackle the man, not the helmet". My rugby coach would have run me for 2 days for tackling that high.

There's a difference between hitting and tackling. Hits separate the man from the ball. Tackles are for when the ball is already possessed. Big difference.

That was a perfect hit. Shoulder directly into the sternum .

dizz
08-21-2011, 01:10 PM
It was a good hit. Shoulder to the chest...into the cradled ball.

But now that our society has been wussified, the NFL will overreact to anything that looks violent.

Especially during preseason

Rascal
08-21-2011, 01:16 PM
I'm more concerned that he was sulking on the bench afterwards.

AlienBronco
08-21-2011, 01:23 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d8216a10b/2011-NFL-rule-changes-and-points-of-emphasis

Cito Pelon
08-21-2011, 02:01 PM
http://mcenter.slideshowpro.com/albums/027/935/album-256674/cache/082011_broncos38.sJPG_900_540_0_95_1_50_50.sJPG?13 13940589

Man, that's a nice pic.

KevinJames
08-21-2011, 02:16 PM
sure is lots of pussies in here wow, it was a good hit.

Dennis Allen mentality expect more of it aggressive and violent, playing just on the edge of the rules! Orange Crush!!!

enjolras
08-21-2011, 02:22 PM
I'm more concerned that he was sulking on the bench afterwards.

No he wasn't. He was pulled off the field by the staff, probably because they didn't want to risk someone from Buffalo going after a knee.

Ray Finkle
08-21-2011, 02:29 PM
sure is lots of pussies in here wow, it was a good hit.

Dennis Allen mentality expect more of it aggressive and violent, playing just on the edge of the rules! Orange Crush!!!

Allen comes from the Williams coaching tree.....I would be shocked if any coach privately had an issue with that hit.

Gort
08-21-2011, 02:30 PM
http://mcenter.slideshowpro.com/albums/027/935/album-256674/cache/082011_broncos38.sJPG_900_540_0_95_1_50_50.sJPG?13 13940589

this would be a good "caption contest" pic for the regular season BUF game.

#61 has the best look on his face for a caption.

Quoydogs
08-21-2011, 02:47 PM
http://mcenter.slideshowpro.com/albums/027/935/album-256674/cache/082011_broncos38.sJPG_900_540_0_95_1_50_50.sJPG?13 13940589

Nice find. LOLLOLHilarious!

cutthemdown
08-21-2011, 03:34 PM
I could care less if Moore was trying to knock him the **** out. Broncos been getting their asses kicked around for yrs now. It's time to do some head hunting and make people fear playing the Broncos. Great pic and Moore already showing why the Broncos selected him in the 2nd round.

Broncoman13
08-21-2011, 03:49 PM
Yeah, I have to agree. Rahim wasn't trying to hurt the guy, he wasn't leading with his helmet, he was just playing football. I'd be fine with the hit if the WR was a Bronco. It really was the ground impact that KO'd him.

No he was aiming to hurt the guy. He made it clear he was trying to inflict pain... Which is fine. He said he isn't trying to end anyone's season or career or make it so they can't get up in the morning, but football is a violent sport and sometimes that happens. He will probably get fined but he will continue to play the same way.

Broncoman13
08-21-2011, 03:51 PM
I'm more concerned that he was sulking on the bench afterwards.

Not sulking... He was praying for the guy to be okay.

ZONA
08-21-2011, 04:43 PM
Total BS - it was a good play. I knew it when it happened live. I saw him lead with that shoulder and I was wondering what all the stupid fuss was about. If I'm the coach, I tell my guy to make that same play every time. It was clean and mean, just how you want your defense to play.

bronco militia
08-21-2011, 04:49 PM
great pic......

cutthemdown
08-21-2011, 05:13 PM
It's nice to be worrying if our players are trying to hurt people again. :) I have a feeling this yr will be much more fun then people think. Miller and Moore, Doom being hungry, makes our defense have some teeth. If Vickerson and Bunkley can stay healthy we can maybe put Rivers on his ass some this yr. I just want to see him smacked, i still hate the Chargers more then the Raiders or the Queefs. Maybe its because I live so close to them. Tijuana north can suck balls.

Rock Chalk
08-21-2011, 05:39 PM
http://mcenter.slideshowpro.com/albums/027/935/album-256674/cache/082011_broncos38.sJPG_900_540_0_95_1_50_50.sJPG?13 13940589

Haha I lold.

Rascal
08-21-2011, 06:38 PM
No he wasn't. He was pulled off the field by the staff, probably because they didn't want to risk someone from Buffalo going after a knee.

Pulled off the field for that supposed reason or any other reason does not justify sitting at the end of the bench sulking.

Rascal
08-21-2011, 06:38 PM
Not sulking... He was praying for the guy to be okay.

Where do you get that?

missingnumber7
08-21-2011, 07:00 PM
Yea on TV kept saying that he was ejected and waiting for the ref to announce that was what the flag was for. Williams was a waste in the booth last night.

broncosteven
08-21-2011, 07:06 PM
Yeah, I have to agree. Rahim wasn't trying to hurt the guy, he wasn't leading with his helmet, he was just playing football. I'd be fine with the hit if the WR was a Bronco. It really was the ground impact that KO'd him.

I agree, I thought it was clean, he wasn't leading with his helmet, as much as you like to hope no one gets seriously hurt in the NFL you can't have a game as violent as Pro football without guys getting hurt.

Hope the WR recovers.

Ray Finkle
08-21-2011, 07:28 PM
let's put it this way, if Ed Reed did the same exact thing, half the fan boys here would be crying that he should have been drafted instead....

~Crash~
08-21-2011, 07:47 PM
*I like the hit fine but the reason he will get the fine is he did not keep his head up . sorry fine will be on it's way . he did not keep his eyes on the football had he we would not be talking about this.

Broncoman13
08-21-2011, 07:52 PM
Where do you get that?

From Rahim Moore himself. Post game interview, everything I posted above about inflicting pain, etc. Was from the interview. Team was not upset with him BTW, he said everyone including the coaches told him to keep on bringing it!

~Crash~
08-21-2011, 07:55 PM
I sure hope he does but he does need to keep his head up. to pull up when the ball bounce out..

MplsBronco
08-21-2011, 09:04 PM
I could care less if Moore was trying to knock him the **** out. Broncos been getting their asses kicked around for yrs now. It's time to do some head hunting and make people fear playing the Broncos. Great pic and Moore already showing why the Broncos selected him in the 2nd round.

Exactly. I am trying to remember the last time we had a safety lay someone out like that. Makes you miss the days of Smith and Atwater. Hopefully this is a sign of the future.

Jimmy
08-21-2011, 09:15 PM
Exactly. I am trying to remember the last time we had a safety lay someone out like that.

kenoy kennedy that one time.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/broncos/2002-10-15-kennedy-suspension_x.htm

24champ
08-22-2011, 10:27 AM
kenoy kennedy that one time.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/broncos/2002-10-15-kennedy-suspension_x.htm

Actually it would be Lynch on Dallas Clark.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/assets/images/imported/mediacontent/images/top-stories/2005/lynch_john_050107.jpg

Gort
08-22-2011, 10:32 AM
Exactly. I am trying to remember the last time we had a safety lay someone out like that. Makes you miss the days of Smith and Atwater. Hopefully this is a sign of the future.

Lynch would dish out a few hits like that per season. the league fined him often.

24champ
08-22-2011, 12:10 PM
Moore recreates hit on CBS4.


http://denver.cbslocal.com/top-video?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=6176172

cutthemdown
08-22-2011, 12:11 PM
The fines won't mean much when your WR are all goofy on the sidelines seeing lil birdies. Ravens hit you, Steelers hit you, Jet's hit you, all the good afc teams have mean defenses and if we don't join them then we will always be the team getting whacked.

Broncos hopefully will get fined the most of any afc team this yr.

CEH
08-22-2011, 05:08 PM
3rd and 19. Now it's 1st and 10. In a real game could be the difference between a win and a loss

PRBronco
08-22-2011, 05:14 PM
3rd and 19. Now it's 1st and 10. In a real game could be the difference between a win and a loss

You're right, every play should end with a patented Ian Gold help up and butt smack. We all win when friendship is the name of the game.

cutthemdown
08-22-2011, 05:20 PM
3rd and 19. Now it's 1st and 10. In a real game could be the difference between a win and a loss

Yeah but to avoid it you play different, and you give up some unknown amount of plays. So in a real game the next play they might be without a starting WR anyways, so its always good to get the other players out of the game.

regardless of what they players say you notice they always use the word injured. No one wants to see anyone get injured, or seriously hurt, blah blah. Ask them alone if the mind just hurting the guy so he can't play until next week and you will get a grin. Of course they want to punish the guy they line up against. Anyone who doesn't believe that is kidding themselves. RBS want to stick their helmet into a linebackers gut and have him in the ice tub all all day monday, linebackers want to likewise see Moreno on the bench unable to take another carry. Just how it is.

I agree they dont want to hear ACL, broken leg, neck, cant play ever again. But they don't mind bruised vagina, day to day.

CEH
08-22-2011, 05:21 PM
You're right, every play should end with a patented Ian Gold help up and butt smack. We all win when friendship is the name of the game.

If it gets the defense off the field instead of continuing the drive then hell yes.

chickennob2
08-22-2011, 08:25 PM
If he was tackling properly, this would have never happened. Tackling happens at the center, not the head. Last minute, speed of the game BS arguments are not relevant if proper tackling is being addressed. I enjoy the game as much as anyone else but it's not necessary to hit that high.

The problem with this ridiculous logic is that he isn't trying to make a tackle. He's trying to separate the ball from a receiver who is actively trying to make a catch. You don't do that by making a form tackle. You do that by throwing your full weight right into the area that the receiver would cradle the ball. Which is exactly what Moore did here.

MplsBronco
08-22-2011, 08:54 PM
kenoy kennedy that one time.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/broncos/2002-10-15-kennedy-suspension_x.htm

That was a cheap shot. Doesn't compare.

enjolras
08-23-2011, 12:03 AM
You know what bothers me (and I apologize if this has been mentioned before), but at 10:56 of the 2nd quarter Byrd for Buffalo takes a forearm and launches himself (in very similar fashion) into Daniel Fell's head. That one was a CLEAR head shot on a defenseless receiver (he was firmly in the grasp of another player).

Why in the hell isn't that a penalty, and where is the outrage over that?

Ratboy
08-23-2011, 12:07 AM
You know what bothers me (and I apologize if this has been mentioned before), but at 10:56 of the 2nd quarter Byrd for Buffalo takes a forearm and launches himself (in very similar fashion) into Daniel Fell's head. That one was a CLEAR head shot on a defenseless receiver (he was firmly in the grasp of another player).

Why in the hell isn't that a penalty, and where is the outrage over that?

He wasn't knocked the **** out, that's why.

Even the ref hesitated on throwing the flag. It took 5 seconds for the flag to come into play. If it was obvious, it would have been thrown instantly.

teknic
08-23-2011, 12:17 AM
He wasn't knocked the **** out, that's why.

Even the ref hesitated on throwing the flag. It took 5 seconds for the flag to come into play. If it was obvious, it would have been thrown instantly.

This. It really seemed like the flag was a reaction to the injury, not the hit itself.

bigbucks24
08-23-2011, 01:36 AM
Yeah, I have to agree. Rahim wasn't trying to hurt the guy, he wasn't leading with his helmet, he was just playing football. I'd be fine with the hit if the WR was a Bronco. It really was the ground impact that KO'd him.

I highly doubt that if that was Lloyd that got cold cocked and was lost for the season, the Fans wold be saying, "Clean hit. No fine needed. Stupid penalty. Just let them play and knock our players the **** out." I maybe wrong.

StugotsIII
08-23-2011, 09:41 AM
WR nearly caught the ball.

Moore leveled the WR, in turn breaking up the play.

He did his job. Next...

dbfan21
08-23-2011, 10:43 AM
WR nearly caught the ball.

Moore leveled the WR, in turn breaking up the play.

He did his job. Next...

+1

I know the league is trying to protect players, which is good to a certain degree, but at the end of the day, it's still football...a grown man's sport with violent collisions.

Durango
08-23-2011, 11:02 AM
Truth is, the kid wanted to make a 'statement hit', and just elevated too high. A mistake for which he'll pay a large sum of cash. He's sorry. He'll be more careful in the future. End of story.

SonOfLe-loLang
08-23-2011, 11:12 AM
If it gets the defense off the field instead of continuing the drive then hell yes.

this is retarded. remember in lynch's first year (i believe...i cant remember the exact play), he let up on a guy, didn't lay him out, and the guy got up and ran for a touchdown? Im explaining this poorly.

Im fine with the hit, it was a good hit, and i agree that the flag isnt thrown if the receiver bounces up and runs back to the sideline.

Flex Gunmetal
08-23-2011, 11:30 AM
this is retarded. remember in lynch's first year (i believe...i cant remember the exact play), he let up on a guy, didn't lay him out, and the guy got up and ran for a touchdown? Im explaining this poorly.

Im fine with the hit, it was a good hit, and i agree that the flag isnt thrown if the receiver bounces up and runs back to the sideline.

To be fair, I think his point is make a wrap up tackle, it's 4th and 7, offense gets the ball back.
I don't agree that it should have been flagged, but that's only because I don't like the new rules.

PRBronco
08-23-2011, 11:38 AM
this is retarded. remember in lynch's first year (i believe...i cant remember the exact play), he let up on a guy, didn't lay him out, and the guy got up and ran for a touchdown? Im explaining this poorly.

Im fine with the hit, it was a good hit, and i agree that the flag isnt thrown if the receiver bounces up and runs back to the sideline.

Michael Clayton on the Bucs, i'm still pissed.