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vonqkilla
08-20-2011, 07:25 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/paige/ci_18721489

vonqkilla
08-20-2011, 07:35 AM
Personally I think Detroit could force a change earlier. Suh / Fairley vs JD / Zane and Orlando at RT, I feel for whoever is back there.

How many fetal sacks will there be that day?

If 15 is back there, 0.

errand
08-20-2011, 07:40 AM
That's odd because I had tebow never starting before 8-4

strafen
08-20-2011, 07:42 AM
In before the ortonites come out in force

Pony Boy
08-20-2011, 07:42 AM
Marv Levy once said "if you listen to the fans you will soon be sitting with them" and that's probably good advice for Fox. But on the other hand if he starts Orton, nothing short of the playoffs will make the fans happy (catch 22)?

DrFate
08-20-2011, 07:44 AM
I'll get out my own crystal ball...

It's very possible Denver will win their first 2 games (home vs OAK, home vs CIN) and all these pro-Orton clods will bombard this board with how fabulous Orton is and how they were right all along.

The wheels come off after that...

vonqkilla
08-20-2011, 07:53 AM
I'll get out my own crystal ball...

It's very possible Denver will win their first 2 games (home vs OAK, home vs CIN) and all these pro-Orton clods will bombard this board with how fabulous Orton is and how they were right all along.

The wheels come off after that...

I think we will beat tenn, not so sure on Oak, but I'd give the pts with confidence. GB isnt sooo great, barely made playoffs, and then got hot. SD isnt so great either. I change my mind every day. On paper I agree with you.

Any given sunday!

Dagmar
08-20-2011, 08:14 AM
I think we'll float on mediocrity buoyed by an improved defense, every home game that things go wrong in be they Orton's fault or not, the screams for Tebow will become deafening and Orton's play will suffer.

It's going to be helluva frustrating season - the first time I have ever thought that in August being a Broncos fan.

oubronco
08-20-2011, 08:28 AM
I'll get out my own crystal ball...

It's very possible Denver will win their first 2 games (home vs OAK, home vs CIN) and all these pro-Orton clods will bombard this board with how fabulous Orton is and how they were right all along.

The wheels come off after that...

I think the wheels come off early and the whimper to 4-12 possibly 5-11 mainly cause injuries happen and the depth sucks

2KBack
08-20-2011, 08:33 AM
Woody is always right...

16-0!

Goobzilla
08-20-2011, 08:41 AM
Looks like 3-6 to me maybe start Tebow week 11 at home vs the Jets. National spotlight similar to Cutler's coming out party.

MacGruder
08-20-2011, 08:44 AM
Marv Levy once said "if you listen to the fans you will soon be sitting with them" and that's probably good advice for Fox. But on the other hand if he starts Orton, nothing short of the playoffs will make the fans happy (catch 22)?

Did he mention anything about listening to the players?

tsiguy96
08-20-2011, 08:46 AM
can someone please ban baja.

tsiguy96
08-20-2011, 08:48 AM
i would love, love to see tebow vs cutler. cutler can see what a true NFL leader is like, a guy that elevates the play of those around him. i think denver may win that game on principle. von miller and elvis vs their tackles? they allowed nine sacks vs the bills...

TheReverend
08-20-2011, 09:04 AM
i would love, love to see tebow vs cutler. cutler can see what a true NFL leader is like, a guy that elevates the play of those around him. i think denver may win that game on principle. von miller and elvis vs their tackles? they allowed nine sacks vs the bills...

Yeah, none of their tackles are tackles anymore...

I really hope Fox gets our **** together, but I'm fully expecting the Broncos to get raped that week. Late enough in the season that we may have another team full of quitters by then... AGAIN.

elsid13
08-20-2011, 09:17 AM
I fully expect the offense will look better then people expect for first 4 to 5 games, then DCs will have enough game tape on it to stop it. At that point it down hill from there.

tsiguy96
08-20-2011, 09:19 AM
Yeah, none of their tackles are tackles anymore...

I really hope Fox gets our **** together, but I'm fully expecting the Broncos to get raped that week. Late enough in the season that we may have another team full of quitters by then... AGAIN.

chicago is gonna be on a heavy decline this year, i dont see how anyone can be successful with that oline. and its not a huge deal, just speaks to management of that team, but they stole the starting spot from knox and handed it to roy frickin williams..

TheReverend
08-20-2011, 09:20 AM
chicago is gonna be on a heavy decline this year, i dont see how anyone can be successful with that oline. and its not a huge deal, just speaks to management of that team, but they stole the starting spot from knox and handed it to roy frickin williams..

...they made massive OL upgrades. And just came off the NFCCG with a worse OL.

strafen
08-20-2011, 09:21 AM
I think we'll float on mediocrity buoyed by an improved defense, every home game that things go wrong in be they Orton's fault or not, the screams for Tebow will become deafening and Orton's play will suffer.

It's going to be helluva frustrating season - the first time I have ever thought that in August being a Broncos fan.This
The opposite will happen. I feel better about the season, while I fret having Orton still the QB for the rest of the season.
This post pretty much guarantees the opposite will happen...
Bank it!

MacGruder
08-20-2011, 09:22 AM
I don't think Orton is making it past game 5.

He has lost too much so he is going to have to play out of his comfort zone - like a man. Either he will get injured or if he fetals constantly he will lose too many games.

Orton is out of rope.. and not having McD to carry him offensively is going to kill him.

tsiguy96
08-20-2011, 09:26 AM
...they made massive OL upgrades. And just came off the NFCCG with a worse OL.

massive, really?

a rookie RT, a guy that got beat for 3 sacks at LT? where are these massive upgrades compared to last season?

dbfan21
08-20-2011, 09:33 AM
Marv Levy once said "if you listen to the fans you will soon be sitting with them" and that's probably good advice for Fox. But on the other hand if he starts Orton, nothing short of the playoffs will make the fans happy (catch 22)?

Oh great...another Peyton Hillis reference!



just kidding...:sunshine:

oubronco
08-20-2011, 09:35 AM
Tebow sucks that is all

TheReverend
08-20-2011, 09:37 AM
massive, really?

a rookie RT, a guy that got beat for 3 sacks at LT? where are these massive upgrades compared to last season?

A rookie RT? Carimi? Yes, lol. That guy is awesome. You should check out the boner Mediator especially had for him in the draft forum.

Not to mention Carimi also allows Chris Williams to kick inside to G where he can be an asset instead of a liability.

And Webb got beat by Shawne Merriman on steroids (see news article about him getting caught with them crossing the border)... join the club

If you can't see huge upgrades across an offensive line that just went to the NFCCG, then I don't know what to tell you...

tsiguy96
08-20-2011, 09:40 AM
A rookie RT? Carimi? Yes, lol. That guy is awesome. You should check out the boner Mediator especially had for him in the draft forum.

Not to mention Carimi also allows Chris Williams to kick inside to G where he can be an asset instead of a liability.

And Webb got beat by Shawne Merriman on steroids (see news article about him getting caught with them crossing the border)... join the club

If you can't see huge upgrades across an offensive line that just went to the NFCCG, then I don't know what to tell you...

to be fair, the steroid article was busted as not true, even though every ounce of logic points to what merriman DID do during the lockout.

chris williams and carimi are untested players at their positions in the NFL, they have the potential to be a vastly upgraded oline compared to last year, but they have to show it still. and based on the last game, they havent yet.

TheReverend
08-20-2011, 09:44 AM
to be fair, the steroid article was busted as not true, even though every ounce of logic points to what merriman DID do during the lockout.

chris williams and carimi are untested players at their positions in the NFL, they have the potential to be a vastly upgraded oline compared to last year, but they have to show it still. and based on the last game, they havent yet.

While you're right that only Carimi's skill set translates to his position but is just a projection for now, no, sorry, Chris Williams game DIRECTLY translate to G.

I'd rather they had Spencer at C and Garza playing the other G spot with Omiyale kicking out to LT over Webb, but while he was a TERRIBLE HC, Mike Tice is a really solid OL coach, so he'll have those guys put together as best as possible, imo.

baja
08-20-2011, 09:46 AM
can someone please ban baja.

That's not me you stupid drone.

Hamrob
08-20-2011, 09:49 AM
I'm not so sure.

I think this is an 8-8 team that will be in the playoff hunt the entire way. 10-6 wins the division.

If that's the case, then Orton will go the distance.

To me, it's a wasted oppurtunity. I'd play Tebow out of the shoot and unless he just looks terrible, throwing 2-3 int's every game, I'd stick with him. At least gauge what we spent a first round pick on.

Then, next year, this is either Tebow's team (if he plays well), OR, you resign Brady Quinn to a modest 3yr deal....let Orton fly the coup, and draft a young kid.

Playing Orton, just so that we can go 8-8 and have a slight pipe dream to make the playoffs only to get ousted in the wild card game....is idiotic. Just my opinion of course.

RhymesayersDU
08-20-2011, 10:03 AM
I think we will beat tenn, not so sure on Oak, but I'd give the pts with confidence. GB isnt sooo great, barely made playoffs, and then got hot. SD isnt so great either. I change my mind every day. On paper I agree with you.

Any given sunday!

This is why I love fans on this board.

We're going 16-0 everybody!

RaiderH8r
08-20-2011, 10:09 AM
Personally I think Detroit could force a change earlier. Suh / Fairley vs JD / Zane and Orlando at RT, I feel for whoever is back there.

How many fetal sacks will there be that day?

If 15 is back there, 0.

The over/under on the number of Orton Fetals during the Star Spangled Banner is 4 on that game. I think he wets himself on the first drive.

Steve Sewell
08-20-2011, 10:10 AM
I'll get out my own crystal ball...

It's very possible Denver will win their first 2 games (home vs OAK, home vs CIN) and all these pro-Orton clods will bombard this board with how fabulous Orton is and how they were right all along.

The wheels come off after that...

Do we play Baltimore this year? Or Pittsburgh? That's usually when Orton ****s the bed in a major way.

bendog
08-20-2011, 10:12 AM
imo, the faider game is the key. If Den wins that and then cinny with Orton, then most likely they enter the bye week in week seven at 2-3. After than they have Mia away and Det at home. Henne and Stafford, who given his record will likely be in IR by then so we get Shaun Hill. Den could well win one of those, and then they're 3-4, and frightenly close to .500.

Then it gets tough with the Faide and Chorfs on the road, Jets at home, SD and Minny on the road. Winning any of those would be an upset. So, they're 3-9 or 4-8. But imagine if they win two of those, to be 5-7 and Orton's not hurt (I never want to see anyone hurt)

Da Bears then come to Den. The fans do NOT want to see Orton v. Lambchop. I'd never route against Den, but if Den is somehow 5-7 and not eliminated what a choice the staff would have to make. Pull the plug when you're not eliminated? That's up there with playing for tie at home in the first game of the season. Bowlen might have to move back to Canada, which would be ok except he might sell to one of the wal-mart heiress's husbands. Honestly, my best hope for this season is to be worse than 5-7 for Chi, so Fox can say it's Tebow Time, and I just hope Tebow's learned to take a snap under center and make just one read

Pony Boy
08-20-2011, 10:13 AM
Did he mention anything about listening to the players?

Did I miss something are the players telling him to start Tebow?

Steve Sewell
08-20-2011, 10:15 AM
I don't think Orton is making it past game 5.

He has lost too much so he is going to have to play out of his comfort zone - like a man. Either he will get injured or if he fetals constantly he will lose too many games.

Orton is out of rope.. and not having McD to carry him offensively is going to kill him.

I hope you realize that, even as a Tebow supporter myself, I just scroll past your posts.

MacGruder
08-20-2011, 10:26 AM
I hope you realize that, even as a Tebow supporter myself, I just scroll past your posts.

All truth goes through three phases

Is this "violent opposition" or "self evident"

MacGruder
08-20-2011, 10:29 AM
Did I miss something are the players telling him to start Tebow?

According to the media the players won't let them start Tebow...

as Merril Hog said.. "the players are smart.. they would lose respect for the coaching staff if they started Tebow over Orton"

Which is why I asked what happens when the players run the asylum.

Cito Pelon
08-20-2011, 10:39 AM
This is why I love fans on this board.

We're going 16-0 everybody!

I can see the Broncs going 16-0. Cincinnati at Mile High, two TD's, two XP's, and a safety. 16-0 at the half.

vancejohnson82
08-20-2011, 10:43 AM
all of you Tebowites may have to wait a little bit longer to watch your hero tonight

rumor has it that Quinn will be running with the second team (ESPN Insider)

MacGruder
08-20-2011, 10:53 AM
all of you Tebowites may have to wait a little bit longer to watch your hero tonight

rumor has it that Quinn will be running with the second team (ESPN Insider)

Just more lost experience for Tebow if so.. more wasted time.. like all of last season with Orton.

vancejohnson82
08-20-2011, 11:11 AM
Just more lost experience for Tebow if so.. more wasted time.. like all of last season with Orton.

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Carmelo15
08-20-2011, 11:15 AM
I can see the Broncs going 16-0. Cincinnati at Mile High, two TD's, two XP's, and a safety. 16-0 at the half.

Did you forget Orton is starting? 4 FG's and 1 TD

bendog
08-20-2011, 11:18 AM
Taking the snap from center is sooooo overrrated.

Old Dude
08-20-2011, 11:40 AM
Based on what little I've seen so far, I think that if this team is in the tank after 10 games, we're more likely to see Quinn than Tebow.

DrFate
08-20-2011, 11:43 AM
rumor has it that Quinn will be running with the second team (ESPN Insider)

Great - lets see what Quinn has.

epicSocialism4tw
08-20-2011, 11:44 AM
That sounds reasonable.

Give Orton a shot to lead the team into the playoffs, and if/when it becomes clear that the playoffs arent a possibility, you close up shop on Orton's Broncos career.

Cito Pelon
08-20-2011, 11:49 AM
Tebow:

"Knowing when to get off a receiver, knowing when to stay on a receiver, who am I going to first, different things like that based on the coverage, honestly, I'd probably put that up there one or two, you know?" Tebow said. "That's huge."

Apparently Tebow himself knows he has a lot of polishing to do, and that's fine. We'll see how he does mentally in the next 3 PS games.

bendog
08-20-2011, 12:07 PM
Tebow:

"Knowing when to get off a receiver, knowing when to stay on a receiver, who am I going to first, different things like that based on the coverage, honestly, I'd probably put that up there one or two, you know?" Tebow said. "That's huge."

Apparently Tebow himself knows he has a lot of polishing to do, and that's fine. We'll see how he does mentally in the next 3 PS games.

Exactly, but he can't be thinking about bobbling a snap, or his footwork, to do that. The only way he'll learn to make the reads is in game action. Practice can teach him what to look for, but he's got to have live action experience to get the game speed. But unless he gets the mechanics down, and do it w/o thinking, it's physically/mentally impossible to make the game speed reads.

That's the thing that worries me. He knew to come in ripped, but is appears he didn't work on mechanics during the lockout. I'm not saying he can't do it; I'm just saying it concerns me he didn't know he needed the work.

And assuming the live stream works, that's what I'll be watching for. And teh overall def scheme.

SJ Bronco
08-20-2011, 12:09 PM
The onion feels differently:

http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/jesus-christ-claims-tim-tebow-not-ready-to-be-nfl,21167/

Jesus Christ Claims Tim Tebow Not Ready To Be NFL Starter
AUGUST 20, 2011 |


DENVER—Jesus Christ, noted Son of God and football analyst proclaimed Monday that second-year Broncos quarterback Tim Tebow lacks the pocket presence, arm strength, and passing accuracy necessary to be a starter in the NFL. “Tim’s place is at the right hand of the other backups on the bench, and his earthly works show that he deserves to dwell there all the days of his life,” said Lord and Savior of all mankind, adding, ““It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for Tim Tebow to complete a pass against the Cover-2”. “For Tebow must have faith in coach Fox’s plan, and pay his dues by wearing the headset, and by calling in plays from the clipboard while watching from the sidelines.” Christ also asked Tebow to stop praying to Him and asking to be made the number one quarterback in the depth chart, claiming “that’s never going to ****ing happen.”

ChrisToker
08-20-2011, 12:12 PM
I think we will beat tenn, not so sure on Oak, but I'd give the pts with confidence. GB isnt sooo great, barely made playoffs, and then got hot. SD isnt so great either. I change my mind every day. On paper I agree with you.

Any given sunday!

The only person that flip flops more than that is Woody Paige. He says one thing then turns it into something totaly diffrent.

ChrisToker
08-20-2011, 12:18 PM
Based on what little I've seen so far, I think that if this team is in the tank after 10 games, we're more likely to see Quinn than Tebow.

I could see Quinn and Tebow doing great things on the same team. Quinn is humbled from his rocky start of career to allow coaches to make some type of hybrid scheme that allows for situational QB. Mr REDZONE and short yardage TT complimented by a MOBILE QB w/ decent arm strength that can read a D in B. Quinn.

orange 4 life
08-20-2011, 12:30 PM
Here's to hoping Woody is wrong.
For starters I think this team has a chance to be MUCH better than that (6-6 or even 7-5 is entirely possible IMO) and secondly most everyone around here seems to realize that Tebow simply isn't ready and may never be.

And oh by the way we have a VASTLY underrated qb in Orton who can take us a lot further than people think. Just my .02.

orange 4 life
08-20-2011, 12:31 PM
P.S.- A big hello to all of you old timers that I haven't talked to in a long time! Hope everyone is doing well. GO BRONCOS!!
Jake

vonqkilla
08-20-2011, 01:27 PM
The over/under on the number of Orton Fetals during the Star Spangled Banner is 4 on that game. I think he wets himself on the first drive.

Lol! The lion dl is scary, good thing the secondary sucks, alphonso wiff!!

Bob's your Information Minister
08-20-2011, 01:32 PM
4-8 is optimistic.

SoCalBronco
08-20-2011, 01:40 PM
Good to see you, Jake. Don't be a stranger.

Hamrob
08-20-2011, 01:42 PM
And oh by the way we have a VASTLY underrated qb in Orton

Hilarious!

Yeah, that's why teams were knocking on our door trying to sign him...when we were willing to get rid of him!

vonqkilla
08-20-2011, 01:43 PM
Here's to hoping Wo better than that (6-6 or even 7-5 is entirely possible IMO) and secondly most everyone around here seems to realize

And oh by the way we have a VASTLY underrated qb in Orton who can take us a lot further than people think. Just my .02.

I think ortons numbers are inflated by the offensive philosophy we had, but he could have #s like jake did in 05, when we went conservative and won alot. But this D isn't like that one. Should be better vs pass, worse vs rush.

I can see being optomistic with Orton, he's been sharp, decisive, accurate.

However, all these crossing routes and outs get a lot tougher in the red zone.

Enter 15?

worm
08-20-2011, 02:58 PM
If you take the Broncos against the spread every week this year...I believe you would make money.

In other words, I think the Broncos will out-perform what the betting public/Vegas believes they will do this year.

I think we are on the right track (outside of getting a QB not already on our roster) even if our record won't show it.

baja
08-20-2011, 06:21 PM
And oh by the way we have a VASTLY underrated qb in Orton

Hilarious!

Yeah, that's why teams were knocking on our door trying to sign him...when we were willing to get rid of him!

No that would be the definition of "underrated"

Inkana7
08-20-2011, 07:33 PM
Does Woody ever write less than 5 columns a year that include game-by-game W/L predictions?

TailgateNut
08-21-2011, 12:08 AM
Here's to hoping Woody is wrong.
For starters I think this team has a chance to be MUCH better than that (6-6 or even 7-5 is entirely possible IMO) and secondly most everyone around here seems to realize that Tebow simply isn't ready and may never be.

And oh by the way we have a VASTLY underrated qb in Orton who can take us a lot further than people think. Just my .02.


YEP. But with blinders on and being pissed about buying that Tebow jersey, some people just want to be consoled and pampered. They want their boy to play, even if his talent and knowledge doesn't warrant that priviledge.