Judicial Watch: Obama Admin Spent Millions of Taxpayer Dollars Campaigning for Obamacare Online

[epicSocialism4tw]

“The American people should be disturbed that the Obama administration is using taxpayer funds to try to brainwash people simply searching the Internet for information on health care. This Big Brother campaign is underhanded, potentially unlawful, and it must be stopped. As the congressional ‘super-committee’ begins negotiations to cut the deficit, this wasteful Obamacare propaganda campaign is the first place they should look.”

•The Obama HHS launched a campaign to track Internet searches and to use online search engines such as Google and Yahoo to drive traffic to a government website promoting Obama’s healthcare overhaul. Using “pay-per-click” advertising tools, such as Google Adwords, HHS purposely targeted for influence people searching the term “Obamacare,” a word that has been described as “disparaging” by political agents of the president.

•According to a budget summary prepared by Ogilvy, from October 2010 through February 2011, the Obama administration spent $1,435,009 on these online advertisements alone, including advertising campaigns with Google and Yahoo, almost $300,000 per month.

•A number of documents address the need to target the Obamacare propaganda campaign to Hispanics, blacks, and women. For example, according to an email from Chris Beakey, Vice President of Ogilvy PR Worldwide, to HHS officials on December 16, 2010, summarizing a conference call, “You want to utilize the bulk of their paid media efforts (which would include expenditures for Radio One and Univision) on media that reaches African Americans and Hispanics. The money will go farther and these audiences continue to be a top priority.”

•A January 18, 2011, email from Ogilvy to HHS New Media Communications Director Julia Eisman notes with respect to a Spanish banner ad campaign, “I realize we really can’t use the blond mom and child for this audience.”

http://www.judicialwatch.org/news/2011/aug/judicial-watch-uncovers-new-documents-obama-administration-bankrolls-massive-internet-

[Rigs11]

..owned again..keep at it llama.

Bush Administration Spent $1.6B on Propaganda Efforts

Feb. 15, 2006 – The public-relations gloss that has long wrapped the Bush administration is fast becoming a blemish on the White House, according to lawmakers who have uncovered some $1.6 billion in federal funds spent on promoting various administration-sponsored programs.


GAO), Congresss research and auditing body, tracks more than 340 contracts negotiated between several government departments and PR, advertising and media firms from 2003 through the first part of 2005.

The study, requested by the House of Representatives Democratic leadership, found that from 2003 to mid-2005, the administration racked up some $1.4 billion in contracts with advertising agencies to broadcast positive messages about its policies and initiatives. Another $200 million went to public-relations companies, and $15 million were spent building connections with media outlets. Individual members of the press received a total of $100,000 in promotional contracts.

Seizing on the studys results as a chance to broach accountability issues in the administration, Representative Henry Waxman (D-California) said in a statement that the report showed the White House was spending taxpayer dollars on a self-serving "propaganda effort."
The study surveyed a total of seven departments, including Interior, Commerce, and Defense, and gathered information primarily through questionnaires sent to department personnel.

Though the exact nature of the expenditures is not always clear from brief project descriptions, the money apparently went to push an array of sometimes controversial White House programs, including efforts to research and promote the benefits of marriage, and campaigns to publicize the 2003 Medicare Modernization Act to seniors.
The bulk of the money went toward brightening the image of the military, with the Defense Department spending over $1 billion on media contracts. That chunk far outpaced the second-biggest spender, the Department of Health and Human Services, which doled out some $300 million. The Pentagons public-relations priorities included a contract worth over $1 million to fund public-outreach speakers to promote the Army, as well as the development of story ideas for reporters "in support of Soldiers in the Global War on Terror."



http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2815

[cutthemdown]

Good thing Bush isn't running for President.

[epicSocialism4tw]

..owned again..keep at it llama.

Bush Administration Spent $1.6B on Propaganda Efforts

That's exactly the type of thing that caused the Tea Party to emerge, and exactly the type of thing that caused me to sour on Bush.

It's the type of thing that will cause the American people to look elsewhere for leadership from Obama as well.

[Spider]

and exactly the type of thing that caused me to sour on Bush.
.

LOL........you are so full of **** , the teap party emerged after Ron Paul got shown the door and after palin lost the bid for VP she took it over ............ And you sour on Bush ? Hilarious!

[ant1999e]

LOL........you are so full of **** , the teap party emerged after Ron Paul got shown the door and after palin lost the bid for VP she took it over ............ And you sour on Bush ? Hilarious!

We all know you're sour on bush. Got a wiff of some bad stuff at a truck stop.

[Spider]

We all know you're sour on bush. Got a wiff of some bad stuff at a truck stop.

LOL yeah I went sour at the start of the Iraqi war .......

[epicSocialism4tw]

LOL........you are so full of **** , the teap party emerged after Ron Paul got shown the door and after palin lost the bid for VP she took it over ............ And you sour on Bush ? Hilarious!

You might want to shake your head a little bit so that those thoughts become a little less tangled up there in that cavernous mulleted hollow thing mounted on your shoulders.

[Spider]

You might want to shake your head a little bit so that those thoughts become a little less tangled up there in that cavernous mulleted hollow thing mounted on your shoulders.

yeah ok ........ you know with the way you dodge questions , get away from the tough stuff , tells me you dont believe in the tea party , I dont think you know what believe, you just just that an uppity black man and a democrat is in office , and the guys down at the local choke and puke dont like it , so you dont like it either

[DBruleU]

yeah ok ........ you know with the way you dodge questions , get away from the tough stuff , tells me you dont believe in the tea party , I dont think you know what believe, you just just that an uppity black man and a democrat is in office , and the guys down at the local choke and puke dont like it , so you dont like it either

How in the eff is anyone supposed to respond to this gibberish?

I used to think truckers were more than likely idiots, and you really don't do anything to dispel that opinion.

I'd be embarrassed if you somehow aligned with my point of view on things. I'd really have to question if I were an idiot too if you agreed with me on anything.

[peacepipe]

Good thing Bush isn't running for President.

LOL,not if perry gets the GOP nom. there's no difference between the 2.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

..owned again..keep at it llama.

Bush Administration Spent $1.6B on Propaganda Efforts

Feb. 15, 2006 – The public-relations gloss that has long wrapped the Bush administration is fast becoming a blemish on the White House, according to lawmakers who have uncovered some $1.6 billion in federal funds spent on promoting various administration-sponsored programs.


GAO), Congresss research and auditing body, tracks more than 340 contracts negotiated between several government departments and PR, advertising and media firms from 2003 through the first part of 2005.

The study, requested by the House of Representatives Democratic leadership, found that from 2003 to mid-2005, the administration racked up some $1.4 billion in contracts with advertising agencies to broadcast positive messages about its policies and initiatives. Another $200 million went to public-relations companies, and $15 million were spent building connections with media outlets. Individual members of the press received a total of $100,000 in promotional contracts.

Seizing on the studys results as a chance to broach accountability issues in the administration, Representative Henry Waxman (D-California) said in a statement that the report showed the White House was spending taxpayer dollars on a self-serving "propaganda effort."
The study surveyed a total of seven departments, including Interior, Commerce, and Defense, and gathered information primarily through questionnaires sent to department personnel.

Though the exact nature of the expenditures is not always clear from brief project descriptions, the money apparently went to push an array of sometimes controversial White House programs, including efforts to research and promote the benefits of marriage, and campaigns to publicize the 2003 Medicare Modernization Act to seniors.
The bulk of the money went toward brightening the image of the military, with the Defense Department spending over $1 billion on media contracts. That chunk far outpaced the second-biggest spender, the Department of Health and Human Services, which doled out some $300 million. The Pentagons public-relations priorities included a contract worth over $1 million to fund public-outreach speakers to promote the Army, as well as the development of story ideas for reporters "in support of Soldiers in the Global War on Terror."



http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2815

Again the same old tactic of, "refer to past bad behavior to justify present or future bad behavior". Get a play new in your playbook or are you all out? Your playbook is as thick as McDanials. "Chuck it deep to Llyod"!

[cutthemdown]

LOL,not if perry gets the GOP nom. there's no difference between the 2.

The main difference between whoever is the repub nominee, Romney or Perry most likely, is that neither of them or incumbents. Right now people hate Washington politicians of both parties. Obama's biggest hurdles is making poeple see him as a game changer again. Right now they just see him as Mr Dc big spender and not the hope and change guy they voted for.

I really think in the end Romney wins because the repubs in the bigger states like CA, Mass, NY, Fla probably will like him better then the more conservative Perry. Also Romney has a lot of money and that **** matters big time.

[Fedaykin]

So, trying to make sure people looking for information on the health care bill can find information about the health care bill from an authoritative source (rather than some slack jawed idiot running a wingnut blog) is a problem?

This is brainwashing?!?

Wow, you guys are insane.

[cutthemdown]

So, trying to make sure people looking for information on the health care bill can find information about the health care bill from an authoritative source (rather than some slack jawed idiot running a wingnut blog) is a problem?

This is brainwashing?!?

Wow, you guys are insane.

I'm actually against it from both sides. When Bush did it with taxpayer money it was BS, and Obama doing it is BS as well. Let the private sector marketplace of ideas sort through the information. I don't need the govt creating webpages and steering my internet searches to there handpicked information.

[Fedaykin]

I'm actually against it from both sides. When Bush did it with taxpayer money it was BS, and Obama doing it is BS as well. Let the private sector marketplace of ideas sort through the information. I don't need the govt creating webpages and steering my internet searches to there handpicked information.

It really boils down to what information was being presented (neither the OP nor any other source says what it was -- it's just referred to as a government website or a 'campaign' website). Why should we rely on the filtered information that our spectacularly poor media system would give us?

Based on the massive amount of information out there about what the reform bill actually included -- it's clear the media completely dropped the ball and maybe the real problem here is the admin didn't do enough.

But again -- it all depends on what information was actually being presented.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I'm actually against it from both sides. When Bush did it with taxpayer money it was BS, and Obama doing it is BS as well. Let the private sector marketplace of ideas sort through the information. I don't need the govt creating webpages and steering my internet searches to there handpicked information.

Washington knows that we don't want a nanny state.

You really have to wonder why they want so badly to force it on us.

[cutthemdown]

It really boils down to what information was being presented (neither the OP nor any other source says what it was -- it's just referred to as a government website or a 'campaign' website). Why should we rely on the filtered information that our spectacularly poor media system would give us?

Based on the massive amount of information out there about what the reform bill actually included -- it's clear the media completely dropped the ball and maybe the real problem here is the admin didn't do enough.

But again -- it all depends on what information was actually being presented.

I'm not swayed at all. You seem like someone who just likes the govt telling him what to think, as long as it's someone you agree with most of the time. I just don't want a precedent to get going where when you search for information on the internet most of it is propaganda steering you to the sites that the govt and big corp want you to go to. Also I'm sure unions, liberal groups, environmental groups and the religious freaks as well. As we fly further into this new age we will have more and more info, not know the sources, and will be even more misinformed.

It's going to be tough to really know what is going on with things as big as healthcare reform, global warming, defense and even our beloved Broncos.

[cutthemdown]

Washington knows that we don't want a nanny state.

You really have to wonder why they want so badly to force it on us.

What I hate about Republicans though is they are all for states rights until they want to let gays marry etc. We need a conservative who isn't afraid to say we could have hyper-liberal states alongside staunch conservative ones. We need one who will say listen, we have a set of values that just don't match the whole country, and we should let individual states decide big issues. If they want to outlaw abortion and you want to kill your baby then go live in a different state. If you don't like gays marrying then go live in a different state.

To much repubs scream nanny state, then turn right around and want to babysit me.

[epicSocialism4tw]

What I hate about Republicans though is they are all for states rights until they want to let gays marry etc. We need a conservative who isn't afraid to say we could have hyper-liberal states alongside staunch conservative ones. We need one who will say listen, we have a set of values that just don't match the whole country, and we should let individual states decide big issues. If they want to outlaw abortion and you want to kill your baby then go live in a different state. If you don't like gays marrying then go live in a different state.

To much repubs scream nanny state, then turn right around and want to babysit me.

Oh, I agree.

Washington doesn't want us to be different in those ways because it can develop communities into factions. Texans would no doubt be content to seal off the borders, secede from the union, and do their own thing. But that stuff doesn't fly with big government progressives (they dominate the democratic party and have a significant contingent in the republican party) who don't want people to be allowed to live their own lives. Those progressives want to expand their power and influence and force everyone to share the same values. These are the same people who tried to convert the Indians to a secular anglo standard. These are the same people who drove ideas like manifest destiny and the current US imperialism tied to the US' creation of the UN.

Things that every modern American should know:

1) Progressives don't believe that there is a power greater than their governance.
Why is this important? Because those beliefs stand in stark opposition to the idea of unalienable rights. Progressives believe that your rights are bestowed upon you by their governance, not by a power greater than them.

This makes every American a subjugate of their decisions and their government. This means that your right to sue is reduced (can you sue the Fed? Airlines? The TSA? The IRS? The White House?), you have no right to your own property, you cannot own land, etc.

2) Progressives Want to Homogenize American Culture
They want to force everyone to share the same beliefs and customs. They want to discard the former United States (these are Michelle Obama's words paraphrased) and replace it with something else. They won't say it overtly because they know that Americans will reject it and their movement will die a quick death.

3) Progressives Do Not Want a Marketplace of Ideas
Ideas are threatening to progressivism, especially the ideas in the constitution: individual liberty.

[Fedaykin]

I'm not swayed at all. You seem like someone who just likes the govt telling him what to think, as long as it's someone you agree with most of the time.


Not at all -- but it's pretty clear you are someone who likes to make unfounded assumptions and poorly constructed ad hominems instead of actual debate.


I just don't want a precedent to get going where when you search for information on the internet most of it is propaganda steering you to the sites that the govt and big corp want you to go to.


ROFL! If you think it isn't already that way they you are beyond hope.


Also I'm sure unions, liberal groups, environmental groups and the religious freaks as well.

You've got roughly half a sentence there. Care to finish it?


As we fly further into this new age we will have more and more info, not know the sources, and will be even more misinformed.


Which is precisly what I was saying: providing a source of legit information would be great -- rather than the mounds of trash that currently exist.

And as I said, maybe it was legit, maybe it wasn't -- the information provided does nothing to evidence either argument.


It's going to be tough to really know what is going on with things as big as healthcare reform, global warming, defense and even our beloved Broncos.

You seem pretty much the prototypical product of society who has no clue how to determine the quality of a source of information -- your odd worries that the Internet will become a poor quality source are very illustrative of that point.

[cutthemdown]

You sum yourself up without even knowing you are doing it. You want the govt to tell you where to find the good information, the information you can trust. I say it's already hard enough to sort through the Marketplace of Ideas without the govt using my tax money to spread what they want me to think. I can determine the quality of your information pretty easily. It's total crap just like your man Obama.

[Fedaykin]

Things that every modern American should know:

1) Progressives don't believe that there is a power greater than their governance.
Why is this important? Because those beliefs stand in stark opposition to the idea of unalienable rights. Progressives believe that your rights are bestowed upon you by their governance, not by a power greater than them.

Society (aka "the people") is the source of both rights and government. Magical sky faeries are not (it's really damn hard to be the source of something like that when you are a fiction).

The Constitution's purpose was to institute a form of government that protects rights -- and the method its crafters chose to do this was to form a government that is subject to the will of the people it governs rather than older styles of government (monarchies) that did rely on magical sky faeries to legitimize the government. (of course, this wasn't a new idea, but it was a good one worthy of being implemented again).

No where in that document does it defer ultimate protection of rights to magical sky faeries. It does, however, confer that responsibility and power upon the people.

Now, I would agree that the system is falling apart, but that's neither here nor there with regards to your idiotic argument.


2) Progressives Want to Homogenize American Culture
They want to force everyone to share the same beliefs and customs. They want to discard the former United States (these are Michelle Obama's words paraphrased) and replace it with something else. They won't say it overtly because they know that Americans will reject it and their movement will die a quick death.

3) Progressives Do Not Want a Marketplace of Ideas
Ideas are threatening to progressivism, especially the ideas in the constitution: individual liberty.

Wow, that is an ... epic ... display of projection.

Both of these points are the same argument -- and both are utter bullsh*t. To claim progressive -- the people who look to improve society with *new* ideas (often ideas from others) -- are against ideas is just patently absurd.

Seriously -- just take a look at how rabidly you and others on the right react when someone proposes an idea that is new -- like for instance -- reforming the health care system to be more like other systems based on the ideas of other groups of people.

This is pretty much how it went (only slightly dramatized):

* Liberals: Wow, our health care system is doing really poorly. It's costing us several times the amount per capita of other modern nations, only really serves the wealthy particularly well and is a leading cause of economic problems both for individuals and for the nation as a whole. What can we do to make it better? Hey -- look at those other countries that have better health care systems, they seem to be on to something. Maybe we should look into doing what they are doing.

* Conservatives. OMG That's *gasp* COMMUNISM!!!!! You are all traitors and should be deported for even considering that plan!


Of course there's also the endless calls to a return to "traditional" values and "traditional" everything. This rhetoric -- provided almost exclusively by the right -- is entirely about rejecting any new idea in favor of the ideas of white Christian men.

[Fedaykin]

You sum yourself up without even knowing you are doing it. You want the govt to tell you where to find the good information, the information you can trust. I say it's already hard enough to sort through the Marketplace of Ideas without the govt using my tax money to spread what they want me to think. I can determine the quality of your information pretty easily. It's total crap just like your man Obama.

That's a pretty lame attempt at a deflection -- and when you resort to yet another ad hominem you just start being embarrassing.

Since you are obviously completely oblivious to how to evaluate information let me give you a hint: Who is providing information is completely irrelevant to determining the worth of that information.

That's why.. for now the third time.. I'll ask: What information was being put forth?

[Spider]

How in the eff is anyone supposed to respond to this gibberish?

I used to think truckers were more than likely idiots, and you really don't do anything to dispel that opinion.

I'd be embarrassed if you somehow aligned with my point of view on things. I'd really have to question if I were an idiot too if you agreed with me on anything.

looks like I struck a nerve ....... Maybe you feel the same way ....... must be

[cutthemdown]

That's a pretty lame attempt at a deflection -- and when you resort to yet another ad hominem you just start being embarrassing.

Since you are obviously completely oblivious to how to evaluate information let me give you a hint: Who is providing information is completely irrelevant to determining the worth of that information.

That's why.. for now the third time.. I'll ask: What information was being put forth?

LOl you said I am prototypical and unable to discern good information from bad. Better not throw rocks in your glass house buddy. What only you can make assumptions on people based on what they say? But for everyone else its an informal fallacy? Modus Ponus your head up your logical ass. Cracks me up when people try to use logic terms of deduction on a message board. Pretty much the whole forum is one big informal fallacy.

[cutthemdown]

looks like I struck a nerve ....... Maybe you feel the same way ....... must be

I'm not saying that truckers are smart, only that I got a chance to drive one recently, and I can honestly say it seems like it would be a stressful job. How many gears, pull up the red thingy, get these gears, big ole trailer behind. I was in a lot, I can only imagine doing it 80 mph with little cars you could crush all over the place.

It's my belief that its hard to do anything really good. So I can respect your work because i feel it probably is a tough job to do well.

I had the pleasure of watching a professional boat captain back his dive boat into a slip the other night. Str8 back going really fast, right into slip, then just before he hits the back he pushes engines forward and stops the boat. I asked the guy next to me is it just me or is that guy an amazing captain. He was like nope he's the ****. Said all the other captains around wish they could pilot a boat like him. Guess he learned his trade in the Coast Guard. Not surprised about that.

[Fedaykin]

LOl you said I am prototypical and unable to discern good information from bad. Better not throw rocks in your glass house buddy. What only you can make assumptions on people based on what they say? But for everyone else its an informal fallacy? Modus Ponus your head up your logical ass. Cracks me up when people try to use logic terms of deduction on a message board. Pretty much the whole forum is one big informal fallacy.

I'm not making an assumption -- I'm making a deduction based on the evidence. You clearly value the source of information as the most important thing. You've been ranting about it for this entire discussion.

Not once have you actually displayed any interest in seeing what information was being supplied -- you've arbitrarily dismissed it as wrong simply because you don't like the source.

[Spider]

I'm not saying that truckers are smart, only that I got a chance to drive one recently, and I can honestly say it seems like it would be a stressful job. How many gears, pull up the red thingy, get these gears, big ole trailer behind. I was in a lot, I can only imagine doing it 80 mph with little cars you could crush all over the place.

It's my belief that its hard to do anything really good. So I can respect your work because i feel it probably is a tough job to do well.

I had the pleasure of watching a professional boat captain back his dive boat into a slip the other night. Str8 back going really fast, right into slip, then just before he hits the back he pushes engines forward and stops the boat. I asked the guy next to me is it just me or is that guy an amazing captain. He was like nope he's the ****. Said all the other captains around wish they could pilot a boat like him. Guess he learned his trade in the Coast Guard. Not surprised about that.
man I would love to attempt to pilot a ship , that has to be the ultimate rush .... ;D i got an 18 speed and you do shift it 18 times , stupid truck I had a 2 sticker 5&4 the 4 was a browning marriage box , so basically you shifted it 20 times but you could skip gears . not on the dayum 18 speed ....

[Mr.Meanie]

Oh, I agree.

LOL bull****.

You say you agree, and then turn right around and defend Perry, who supports a federal law banning gay marriage and abortion. You're so full of crap, dude.

[Rigs11]

Again the same old tactic of, "refer to past bad behavior to justify present or future bad behavior". Get a play new in your playbook or are you all out? Your playbook is as thick as McDanials. "Chuck it deep to Llyod"!

Its called pointing out your hypocrisy.you and llama run around here posting your chicken little threads.it's easy smacking you guys around.Hypocrite

[DenverBrit]

A politician spending taxpayers money to further his/her agenda??

That can't be right, it never happens.

[peacepipe]

The main difference between whoever is the repub nominee, Romney or Perry most likely, is that neither of them or incumbents. Right now people hate Washington politicians of both parties. Obama's biggest hurdles is making poeple see him as a game changer again. Right now they just see him as Mr Dc big spender and not the hope and change guy they voted for.

I really think in the end Romney wins because the repubs in the bigger states like CA, Mass, NY, Fla probably will like him better then the more conservative Perry. Also Romney has a lot of money and that **** matters big time.thers going to be alot of big money behind perry,don't sell him short.

[cutthemdown]

I'm not making an assumption -- I'm making a deduction based on the evidence. You clearly value the source of information as the most important thing. You've been ranting about it for this entire discussion.

Not once have you actually displayed any interest in seeing what information was being supplied -- you've arbitrarily dismissed it as wrong simply because you don't like the source.

Ok here is some of what they are talking about, debunked by factcheck.org

Obama spent a ton on a commercial about medicare that was an outright lie.

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/07/mayberry-misleads-on-medicare/

I don't want my tax dollars used to spread anything but straight facts. Maybe you want to be deluged with propaganda but most of us don't. I dismiss the information because it is bogus, not because it comes from the govt. But since the govt always has an objective it is safe to assume that you should take what they say with a grain of salt.






The White House released the ad on the 45th anniversary of the Medicare program, and said it would run nationally on cable TV networks. Griffith, whose "Andy Griffith Show" was a TV comedy hit at the time Medicare was first enacted in 1965, explains the "good things" that the new health care law will mean for Medicare beneficiaries.

"This year, like always, we’ll have our guaranteed benefits," he says. An announcement of the ad on the White House website reinforces that claim, saying: "Under the Affordable Care Act … Seniors guaranteed Medicare benefits will remain the same." But the truth is, for millions of seniors, benefits won’t remain the same.

[cutthemdown]

man I would love to attempt to pilot a ship , that has to be the ultimate rush .... ;D i got an 18 speed and you do shift it 18 times , stupid truck I had a 2 sticker 5&4 the 4 was a browning marriage box , so basically you shifted it 20 times but you could skip gears . not on the dayum 18 speed ....

I've piloted an 80 footer but it was in the open ocean. Bringing them into a slip or dock is a whole other ball game. The current gets going, the wind is blowing, it's an art to be able to dock a big boat.

I imagine the really big ones all computerized and far to big to dock like smaller ones. They use the tugs and what not to move them around. I have a 28 foot sportfisher but it needs to be restored.

[cutthemdown]

I'm not making an assumption -- I'm making a deduction based on the evidence. You clearly value the source of information as the most important thing. You've been ranting about it for this entire discussion.

Not once have you actually displayed any interest in seeing what information was being supplied -- you've arbitrarily dismissed it as wrong simply because you don't like the source.

Also if you go to healthcare.gov the website in question you can see for yourself. I just went and read things like it won't add one new tax, or cost anything, and it will bring down insurance costs, blah blah. All that has been debunked even by the CBO which uses whatever numbers you give them. It's basically a site saying govt can control the healthcare prices better then the private sector.

It's total BS Fed and you know it. If the information were just the facts of healthcare law then maybe i could see supporting it. It's not though its trying to get you to think how Obama does, and it lies to do it.

[Spider]

I've piloted an 80 footer but it was in the open ocean. Bringing them into a slip or dock is a whole other ball game. The current gets going, the wind is blowing, it's an art to be able to dock a big boat.

I imagine the really big ones all computerized and far to big to dock like smaller ones. They use the tugs and what not to move them around. I have a 28 foot sportfisher but it needs to be restored.

all I have done is rode on a ferry from Galveston to the mainland got sea sick ;)
28 footer ? how much more do you have to do to it ?

[cutthemdown]

all I have done is rode on a ferry from Galveston to the mainland got sea sick ;)
28 footer ? how much more do you have to do to it ?

This old guy I knew left it to me when he died. It's a 28 foot dual bridge silverton, hardly been in the water but it sat for 10 yrs in his shop. I would drop by and drink a beer with him once in awhile, he was next door to a guy i went to HS with who had an auto body shop. This old guy basically was retired but still went to his machine shop every day to drink beer. All these old machines sitting around and the boat in the back. I would joke about fixing it up so I guess he felt it would be funny to leave it to me. Cost me 400 bucks just to move the thing to my backyard.

It would need 2 new engines, probably about 2 grand a piece but everything else i have new. Carbs, water pumps, fuel pumps, distributor, starter etc. It would need to be painted and it needs a swim deck on the back. The throttles seem hard to move not sure if they would need to have new lines. The flybridge gauges are shot. It needs a depth finder, fish finder, and ship to shore radio. Anchor and a windless because I am way to old to haul up 125 feet of chain. :)

My best guess is I could have it going for 10 grand. But the boat my then only be worth about 12 grand, maybe 15 in a good economy. So I haven't pulled the trigger other then buying all the carbs and stuff to put on the engines. I originally thought maybe i could bring the engines back to life but one has a cracked block and the other one is dodgey. I talked to a guy who runs a sportfishing biz and he said its a good hull, but that I would be crazy to not use brand new engines. I guess these gas engines are sort of disposable. You get a new one every 6-7 yrs.

So for now I just charter The Dreamer out of Long Beach. Allyn the captain locally famous for being the best fisherman at the local islands. You would get along with him Spider his sort of gruff, tell it like it is, don't care if you like it kind of guy. Also by far the best fisherman i have ever seen. Anyone thinks fishing is all about luck needs to go out with this guy. One time we were all bitching no fish, he walks down from the bridge, grabs his rod, throws on a jig, and then casts the thing so far it's like watching an elway bomb. Amazing how far he can chuck a jig. Well he does it about 4-5 times and catches a yellowtail. lol

[Popcorn Sutton]

thers going to be alot of big money behind perry,don't sell him short.

One things for sure, he'll have his **** kickers on.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/61670.html

[Arkie]

That's a pretty lame attempt at a deflection -- and when you resort to yet another ad hominem you just start being embarrassing.

Since you are obviously completely oblivious to how to evaluate information let me give you a hint: Who is providing information is completely irrelevant to determining the worth of that information.

That's why.. for now the third time.. I'll ask: What information was being put forth?

Who? What? They're both completely irrelevant. I'll ask: How is the info getting out there? Is it from people willing to spend their hard earned money, or is it just taken from them?

[cutthemdown]

I can't wait to see Fedaykin try and justify a commercial for obamacare that outright lied. Figures once the information that Fedaykin asked for is posted he has nothing to say about it.

[cutthemdown]

Fedaykin still waiting?

[alkemical]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_news_release

http://www.prwatch.org/node/10471

FOX to Be Fined by FCC for Fake News; CMD's Complaint on "Video News Releases" Nets New Proposed Fines

A FOX News station has been sent a notice of a proposed fine for airing fake news in the form of a "video news release" (VNR) without disclosing that the "news" segment featuring General Motors was produced to promote GM's cars.

As Jonathan Make reports in Communications Daily, the Federal Communications Commission has issued a notice of a proposed fine to FOX's Minneapolis affiliate for what amounted to a commercial for GM's convertibles masquerading as news. The VNR had been provided to the station by "FOX News Edge," which is described as "a news service for broadcast stations affiliated with the FOX Network."

In response to the FCC's investigation, which was initiated as a result of a complaint by the Center for Media and Democracy and Free Press, FOX claimed it should not be subject to any fine because regulating this activity would "encroach" on its "editorial discretion." By editorial discretion, FOX seems to be indicating that it has a right to use its newscasts to promote products via "news" segments without any disclosure to viewers. FOX also tried to defend its actions by arguing that its affiliate did not receive any payment for airing the VNR and that the VNR was not of any public importance. It also argued that using the VNR was no different than relying on a "press release" without further disclosure.

The FCC defended its sponsorship identification rules, which it determined were violated by FOX, as "grounded in the principle that listeners and viewers are entitled to know who seeks to persuade them." The FCC also noted that the VNR itself is a thing of value when given to a news station because of its production costs and savings. Accordingly, the FCC today announced an intent to fine the FOX affiliate that aired the VNR $4000.

The FCC also issued a similar notice to Access 1, a licensee of WMGM-TV in New Jersey, for airing a VNR promoting the use of the cold medicine Zicam, which had been produced for the product's maker, Matrixx Initiatives. The FCC noted that this VNR was specifically named in the joint complaint filed by CMD and Free Press.The stations have 15 days to pay the fines or respond to the notices issued by the FCC.

This is the first action on the complaint since 2007, when Comcast was fined $20,000 for airing VNRs. CMD told Communications Daily it is pleased the FCC is continuing to look into these matters, since the practice of using VNRs had not gone away.



VNR's are controversial and have been used. You are paying to propagandize yourselves.