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montrose
08-19-2011, 09:48 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18713879

Dedhed
08-19-2011, 09:51 AM
Ha. I caught that little jab too. Doubt it was intended that way, but when you break it down, that's really all Orton has done.

TheReverend
08-19-2011, 09:52 AM
Fox wants a gamer.

Fox will play the one that performs best.

Right now, the worst performing QB (granted from ONE preseason game) is #1 on the depth chart.

:/

If this keeps up...

TailgateNut
08-19-2011, 09:53 AM
Ha. I caught that little jab too. Doubt it was intended that way, but when you break it down, that's really all Orton has done.


'cause Orton is the one making the calls! What a douche'.

TheReverend
08-19-2011, 09:53 AM
"Orton led the Broncos to a field goal during his only drive. Tebow generated two field goals in 1 1/2 quarters. Quinn not only led the Broncos to two touchdowns, both touchdowns came in the fourth quarter. When evaluating quarterbacks, extra credit should be given to touchdowns in the fourth quarter."


Well that's BS.


Quinn is the only one that played in the 4th quarter...

Garcia Bronco
08-19-2011, 09:55 AM
LOL...Orton is the best QB on the team right now. Get over it.

TheReverend
08-19-2011, 09:56 AM
LOL...Orton is the best QB on the team right now. Get over it.

We'll see.

Dedhed
08-19-2011, 09:59 AM
'cause Orton is the one making the calls! What a douche'.
You're a little bit of a retread aren't you?

crush17
08-19-2011, 09:59 AM
Big, strong, mobile qb with a rocket arm. Whats not to like? If he can improve his accuracy on a consistent basis, no reason he shouldnt be a starter.

Powderaddict
08-19-2011, 09:59 AM
LOL...Orton is the best QB on the team right now. Get over it.

I'd love to see Quinn given a chance to play with the 1's.

You might be right, but I'm not so sure. Orton is a mediocre at best QB. The other 2 might not be better, but Orton is not irreplacable. Not at all.

Dedhed
08-19-2011, 10:00 AM
LOL...Orton is the best QB on the team right now. Get over it.

Based on nothing.

theAPAOps5
08-19-2011, 10:03 AM
LOL...Orton is the best QB on the team right now between the 20s. Get over it.

Fixed it for you....

2KBack
08-19-2011, 10:03 AM
Ha. I caught that little jab too. Doubt it was intended that way, but when you break it down, that's really all Orton has done.

Really?

Loyd = 77
Gaffney = 65
Royal = 59
RB's = 65

Looks pretty damn balanced overall, no glaring discrepancies

TailgateNut
08-19-2011, 10:04 AM
"Orton led the Broncos to a field goal during his only drive. Tebow generated two field goals in 1 1/2 quarters. Quinn not only led the Broncos to two touchdowns, both touchdowns came in the fourth quarter. When evaluating quarterbacks, extra credit should be given to touchdowns in the fourth quarter."


Well that's BS.


Quinn is the only one that played in the 4th quarter...

No ****.ROFL!Orton didn't get a chance to make any 4th qtr TD's and only got a few reps.
Timbow also didn't get a chance for the highly coveted 4th qtr TD but he got more reps thean Kyle. WTF:spit:

TailgateNut
08-19-2011, 10:06 AM
You're a little bit of a retread aren't you?

Coming from a reTARD, I take that as a compliment!

TheReverend
08-19-2011, 10:08 AM
No ****.ROFL!Orton didn't get a chance to make any 4th qtr TD's and only got a few reps.
Timbow also didn't get a chance for the highly coveted 4th qtr TD but he got more reps thean Kyle. WTF:spit:

Well, kyle only got one less pass than tim... He just couldn't complete them.

Rock Chalk
08-19-2011, 10:10 AM
Well, kyle only got one less pass than tim... He just couldn't complete them.

Eh, Tim didn't have DeMarcus Ware bearing down on him. Moreover, 3 of the incompletions were complete asshat redzone calls that never should have happened. Still not sure why we didnt just run the effing ball.

Powderaddict
08-19-2011, 10:10 AM
Well, kyle only got one less pass than tim... He just couldn't complete them.

Half were near the redzone, which apparently is KO kryptonite.

Powderaddict
08-19-2011, 10:11 AM
Eh, Tim didn't have DeMarcus Ware bearing down on him. Moreover, 3 of the incompletions were complete asshat redzone calls that never should have happened. Still not sure why we didnt just run the effing ball.

Orton audibled out of a run on first down...

TheReverend
08-19-2011, 10:11 AM
Eh, Tim didn't have DeMarcus Ware bearing down on him. Moreover, 3 of the incompletions were complete asshat redzone calls that never should have happened. Still not sure why we didnt just run the effing ball.

Are you trying to say Tim had better protection than Orton?

:spit:

TheReverend
08-19-2011, 10:12 AM
Orton audibled out of a run on first down...

^ This.

Orton audibled out of the run play AND the penalty was on him.

Game manager!!!!!!!!!!!

Rock Chalk
08-19-2011, 10:14 AM
Are you trying to say Tim had better protection than Orton?

:spit:

Not even remotely.

Just explaining that first incompletion. Or are you going to tell me that Tebow would have been able to complete that quick out with Ware right in his face like that? Yeah, good luck with that.

TheReverend
08-19-2011, 10:21 AM
Not even remotely.

Just explaining that first incompletion. Or are you going to tell me that Tebow would have been able to complete that quick out with Ware right in his face like that? Yeah, good luck with that.

Ah, yeah that was a really sweet pre-snap read and an even better post snap reaction.

I love ALMOST pick-6s.

And would Tebow have been able to make a play? Don't know. Might have made the same pre-snap read. Might have looked the same way. Might have had the same "Defensive MVP wide open, gonna try and throw through him!" reaction.

Or he might have not been retarded. Who's to say?

2/6 vs 6/7

One of those was an "inaccurate QB" under heavy pressure. Guess who? :wiggle:

zdoor
08-19-2011, 10:29 AM
Rather watch Quinn than another year of Orton.

WolfpackGuy
08-19-2011, 10:31 AM
The Broncos don't and won't have the luxury of wasting the first quarters of games for Quinn to find his accuracy.

What a ****** mess of a QB situation!

zdoor
08-19-2011, 10:35 AM
Curious, if we had 1 play left to win a game from the opponents 25 yard line (did that for KO's benefit), which QB on our roster would you want running the play??

PRBronco
08-19-2011, 10:38 AM
Curious, if we had 1 play left to win a game from the opponents 25 yard line (did that for KO's benefit), which QB on our roster would you want running the play??

Hmmm...if the other team had a ****ty pass rush, I'd probably say Orton because it's in his effective zone. Otherwise let's go touchdown jesus.

Dagmar
08-19-2011, 10:39 AM
Ha. I caught that little jab too. Doubt it was intended that way, but when you break it down, that's really all Orton has done.

This is crap and you know it.

He also did it with Marshall. ;)

Cito Pelon
08-19-2011, 10:39 AM
^ This.

Orton audibled out of the run play AND the penalty was on him.

Game manager!!!!!!!!!!!

What, the 12 men in the huddle penalty? Don't start that stupid thing again, fool. The individual players are responsible to look to the sideline to see if they're being replaced. That's why the players look to the sideline to see what players are coming in, they don't look at the QB to tell them if they're in or out. At the least, they hang back outside of the huddle until they're sure they're not being replaced and looking to the sideline the entire time. It was Lloyd's fault, not Orton's.

Chris
08-19-2011, 10:47 AM
Really wish it was Quinn starting so we could see what he had with Tebow backing him up.

Smiling Assassin27
08-19-2011, 10:52 AM
Well, to be fair to Quinn, he did make a name for himself in college by throwing to Samardzija on every play, so there'd be no learning curve.

Dedhed
08-19-2011, 10:57 AM
Eh, Tim didn't have DeMarcus Ware bearing down on him.

lulz

McDman
08-19-2011, 11:01 AM
I hope Quinn gets reps with the 2s tomorrow, I'd like to see what he can do.

Shananahan
08-19-2011, 11:03 AM
Really wish it was Quinn starting so we could see what he had with Tebow backing him up.
Yeah I could live with that as well. I'd prefer anyone with upside at the position over Orton, though.

Pick Six
08-19-2011, 11:05 AM
Touchdowns in the fourth quarter only mean something in a real game. He was playing against guys who probably won't make the Cowboys roster. However, if this is TRULY a rebuilding year, let's give Quinn the chance to show he's the QBOTF. I can get on board with that...

teknic
08-19-2011, 11:05 AM
Really wish it was Quinn starting so we could see what he had with Tebow backing him up.

I'd like to see all 3 QB's get to start a preseason game with the 1's. If this really was a quarterback competition, each QB should get the chance to show what they can do with the first team.

Cito Pelon
08-19-2011, 11:06 AM
BQ has been pretty cool so far this season. He's had a couple of the quotes of camp, one of them the "take it to Youtube or whatever", when asked about the Orton/Tebow deal. And also again when asked about Orton/Tebow, dryly answering - "That would be a good question for Coach McCoy or Coach Fox."

Quinn is gonna play his role, but he's not giving up at all, I like that.

Dagmar
08-19-2011, 11:06 AM
If EFX's mission was to come in and win back a horribly miserable and splintered fan base, their handling of the QB situation is the worst possible move they could have made.

We are miserable and splintered. Do two things. Trade Orton/get behind Tebow and sign a DT, Mebane, Okoye etc and the Bronco fans would be excited for the season and Denver buzzing. Instead, we have this.

Smiling Assassin27
08-19-2011, 11:08 AM
I'd like to see all 3 QB's get to start a preseason game with the 1's. If this really was a quarterback competition, each QB should get the chance to show what they can do with the first team.

This would be nice. The only problem I see is that the other 1's--wr's, rb's, OL's, etc. will not be able to establish a rhythm with any of 'em, which could be disastrous come game 1.

Cito Pelon
08-19-2011, 11:10 AM
I hope Quinn gets reps with the 2s tomorrow, I'd like to see what he can do.

Yeah, me too. It's gonna be interesting to see what happens with this battle.

outdoor_miner
08-19-2011, 11:15 AM
"Orton led the Broncos to a field goal during his only drive. Tebow generated two field goals in 1 1/2 quarters. Quinn not only led the Broncos to two touchdowns, both touchdowns came in the fourth quarter. When evaluating quarterbacks, extra credit should be given to touchdowns in the fourth quarter."


Well that's BS.


Quinn is the only one that played in the 4th quarter...

Well - not only that, but he acts like it was the 4th quarter of a crucial playoff game or something, forgetting that this is the friggin preseason, and there is nothing but total scrubs playing in the 4th quarter. But besides that, Quinn was totally clutch.

Smiling Assassin27
08-19-2011, 11:18 AM
Well - not only that, but he acts like it was the 4th quarter of a crucial playoff game or something, forgetting that this is the friggin preseason, and there is nothing but total scrubs playing in the 4th quarter. But besides that, Quinn was totally clutch.


Well, it IS the 4th quarter of his career. If he flames out here, he may go the way of Tim Couch.

Agamemnon
08-19-2011, 11:26 AM
If EFX's mission was to come in and win back a horribly miserable and splintered fan base, their handling of the QB situation is the worst possible move they could have made.

We are miserable and splintered. Do two things. Trade Orton/get behind Tebow and sign a DT, Mebane, Okoye etc and the Bronco fans would be excited for the season and Denver buzzing. Instead, we have this.

You sir, are correct.

Cito Pelon
08-19-2011, 11:35 AM
If EFX's mission was to come in and win back a horribly miserable and splintered fan base, their handling of the QB situation is the worst possible move they could have made.

We are miserable and splintered. Do two things. Trade Orton/get behind Tebow and sign a DT, Mebane, Okoye etc and the Bronco fans would be excited for the season and Denver buzzing. Instead, we have this.

C'mon man, their mission is to win games. Actually (and I love Tebow), Tebow is lucky beyond belief that they believe in him, otherwise he'd be third string right now. Dude makes a play here and there, but can barely execute the offense as it stands right now.

bendog
08-19-2011, 11:38 AM
WINNing is soooo overrated. I mean they loved McD, after all.

Old Dude
08-19-2011, 11:39 AM
Good for Quinn. Sounds like he worked hard in the off-season.

TailgateNut
08-19-2011, 11:42 AM
If EFX's mission was to come in and win back a horribly miserable and splintered fan base, their handling of the QB situation is the worst possible move they could have made.

We are miserable and splintered. Do two things. Trade Orton/get behind Tebow and sign a DT, Mebane, Okoye etc and the Bronco fans would be excited for the season and Denver buzzing. Instead, we have this.


So if they had traded Orton and put Tebow in the drivers seat we wouldn't be "splintered and divided? We would all be holding hands and singing Kumbaya? ROFL!

ghostofjosh
08-19-2011, 11:42 AM
Can you imagine after all this ...Quinn is the opening day starter..unreal

Punisher
08-19-2011, 11:43 AM
http://gdfootball.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/lloyd_ducks.gif

broncocalijohn
08-19-2011, 11:43 AM
Eh, Tim didn't have DeMarcus Ware bearing down on him. Moreover, 3 of the incompletions were complete asshat redzone calls that never should have happened. Still not sure why we didnt just run the effing ball.

We had more problems running the ball in the redzone and goalline last season so that is what should have been worked on when we had the chance.

bendog
08-19-2011, 11:45 AM
Rather watch Quinn than another year of Orton.

ummmm, careful what you wish for.

Kaylore
08-19-2011, 11:45 AM
"Orton led the Broncos to a field goal during his only drive. Tebow generated two field goals in 1 1/2 quarters. Quinn not only led the Broncos to two touchdowns, both touchdowns came in the fourth quarter. When evaluating quarterbacks, extra credit should be given to touchdowns in the fourth quarter."


Well that's BS.


Quinn is the only one that played in the 4th quarter...

LOL I know. According to this analysis, every third string QB in the NFL is getting extra credit.

zdoor
08-19-2011, 11:48 AM
ummmm, careful what you wish for.

****, at this point I might rather watch the lawn grow than watch Orton...

Cito Pelon
08-19-2011, 11:50 AM
Curious, if we had 1 play left to win a game from the opponents 25 yard line (did that for KO's benefit), which QB on our roster would you want running the play??

Maybe Tebow. Depends on how he does in those situations in the next 3 PS games. He'll get plenty of chances if he moves them downfield in the first place.

MileHighMagic
08-19-2011, 11:52 AM
Curious, if we had 1 play left to win a game from the opponents 25 yard line (did that for KO's benefit), which QB on our roster would you want running the play??

Elway!

fdf
08-19-2011, 11:57 AM
So if they had traded Orton and put Tebow in the drivers seat we wouldn't be "splintered and divided? We would all be holding hands and singing Kumbaya?

Well, duh. YES WE WOULD!

bendog
08-19-2011, 12:03 PM
Well, duh. YES WE WOULD!

No. Now if Tebow convinces his mates that they can win more games with him that Orton, different story.

bowtown
08-19-2011, 01:01 PM
LOL I know. According to this analysis, every third string QB in the NFL is getting extra credit.

Yep. Quick someone tell me the top 5 scoring qbs in preseason over the past 5 seasons. Look up yards while we are at it too. This is the same tired **** that Woody and others trotted out as evidence that Simms should be starting last year. A QB throwing TDs in the 4th quarter of a preseason game should mean you give him at least one more, nothing more.

Rigs11
08-19-2011, 01:39 PM
Kyle Orton, Broncos starters to play into second quarter vs. Buffalo Bills

Fox declined to say in which order his quarterbacks will play after starter Kyle Orton. Tim Tebow still is listed second on the depth chart ahead of Brady Quinn, though those two players have evenly split second-team snaps for the past week.

"That'll be a game-time decision, from a competitive standpoint," Fox said. "I'll talk about that after the game, not before the game."

The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_18717480#ixzz1VVdobo4n
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MacGruder
08-19-2011, 01:42 PM
It's funny how everyone is talking up Quinn.. Orton played Dallas to a DRAW.. Tebow gave the team a LEAD and Quinn LOST it!

underrated29
08-19-2011, 01:46 PM
Really?

Loyd = 77
Gaffney = 65
Royal = 59
RB's = 65

Looks pretty damn balanced overall, no glaring discrepancies




Is that targets or completions?

Man-Goblin
08-19-2011, 01:51 PM
Is that targets or completions?

Those are Madden ratings, actually.

Hogan11
08-19-2011, 01:52 PM
Can you imagine after all this ...Quinn is the opening day starter..unreal

Quinn is never going to get a real chance to start in Denver. He should, but he won't.

Beantown Bronco
08-19-2011, 01:53 PM
It's funny how everyone is talking up Quinn.. Orton played Dallas to a DRAW.. Tebow gave the team a LEAD and Quinn LOST it!

Yup, Quinn played horrible defense.

Inkana7
08-19-2011, 01:56 PM
It's funny how everyone is talking up Quinn.. Orton played Dallas to a DRAW.. Tebow gave the team a LEAD and Quinn LOST it!

Technically Orton gave us a lead because he didn't come back in after Dallas scored.

But this is still really stupid rationale.

epicSocialism4tw
08-19-2011, 01:57 PM
Another indicator of how far the once-great Broncos franchise has fallen...

The third-string QB, Brady Quinn, thinks that he has a legitimate claim to the starting position and feels comfortable enough to go public with his complaint about it.

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 02:02 PM
Technically Orton gave us a lead because he didn't come back in after Dallas scored.

But this is still really stupid rationale.

Didn't Romo and Orton both get one drive......................................?

Tebow led the Broncos to a lead in the time he played.

IF Tebow was behind like Quinn it would have warranted more aggressive play as Quinn did... and yet still lost the game!

Quinn also lost to a guy he had no business losing to considering his experience..

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 02:04 PM
Yup, Quinn played horrible defense.

And so did the Dallas when Quinn was playing.. see how long he had to throw that TD pass with zero pressure..

Tebow has guys trying to kill him on every play as well because of his star power.. no one cares about Quinn..

UberBroncoMan
08-19-2011, 02:12 PM
Post Poll - Broncos Backup

It's clear that Kyle Orton is the Broncos' starting quarterback, but who should be No. 2?
Total Votes = 2640

Tim Tebow He's a winner and a competitor, pure and simple.

1329 Votes, or 50.34 %

Brady Quinn He's evolved into a much more polished NFL QB.

1311 Votes, or 49.65 %


Honestly, I'd trade Orton and start Quinn if we had the option. I just want Orton gone and it down to a two QB race.

If Tebow could get passing down better that would rock. He just needs to cross that line.

razorwire77
08-19-2011, 02:19 PM
I'd like to see Quinn run with the 2's or even get a series with the starters tomorrow (not going to happen though.) Hopefully, he shows some consistency. He's definitely got the best arm and quickest release of any QB on the roster. A lot of his problems in the past have been footwork (throwing off back foot, happy feet), and holding the ball too long and consistency. He looked like an entirely different QB last week. Hopefully, it carries over tomorrow.

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 02:21 PM
Post Poll - Broncos Backup

It's clear that Kyle Orton is the Broncos' starting quarterback, but who should be No. 2?
Total Votes = 2640

Tim Tebow He's a winner and a competitor, pure and simple.

1329 Votes, or 50.34 %

Brady Quinn He's evolved into a much more polished NFL QB.

1311 Votes, or 49.65 %


Honestly, I'd trade Orton and start Quinn if we had the option. I just want Orton gone and it down to a two QB race.

If Tebow could get passing down better that would rock. He just needs to cross that line.

So you would give the starting position to a guy who couldn't even beat the Cowboys backup QB in a preseason game with a LEAD when he came in?

Why are Broncos fans so assbackwards? It's truly bizarre...

SonOfLe-loLang
08-19-2011, 02:21 PM
It's funny how everyone is talking up Quinn.. Orton played Dallas to a DRAW.. Tebow gave the team a LEAD and Quinn LOST it!

I'm a big Tebow fan, but this is absurd

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 02:22 PM
I'm a big Tebow fan, but this is absurd

How is it absurd??? LOL

It's common sense!

Everyone says to WIN the starting spot and Orton and Quin n both played WORSE in their time given...

Tebow even had the better passer rating!

People are seriously nuts..

Is it because Tebow doesn't "look" poised.. and FIGHTS on every play no matter the situation?

Mogulseeker
08-19-2011, 02:40 PM
Big, strong, mobile qb with a rocket arm. Whats not to like? If he can improve his accuracy on a consistent basis, no reason he shouldnt be a starter.

Quinn or Tebow?

Before he was drafted, with the Browns to today, I've always thought - and continue to think that Brady Quinn can be a very good NFL quarterback with a decent QB coach. Honestly, I think Quinn has the highest ceiling of any passer on the Broncos.

Hindsight is always 20/20, but back in 2009, if I had the opportunity to get Quinn for Hillis, I'd make that trade in a heartbeat.

2KBack
08-19-2011, 02:44 PM
Is that targets or completions?

completions

Mogulseeker
08-19-2011, 02:45 PM
How is it absurd??? LOL

It's common sense!

Everyone says to WIN the starting spot and Orton and Quin n both played WORSE in their time given...

Tebow even had the better passer rating!

People are seriously nuts..

Is it because Tebow doesn't "look" poised.. and FIGHTS on every play no matter the situation?

This is true... but did you SEE that INT vs the Cowboys that got called back. Terrible throw. He made another terrible throw v. the Texans the last game of the season last year.

I like his swagger, but you can't make throws like that and expect to be an NFL starter - or even an NFL backup.

Dagmar
08-19-2011, 02:49 PM
People really should realize the MacGruder rule is like the jhns rule from last season, once he gets involved, bail thread, it's only downhill from here.

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 02:58 PM
This is true... but did you SEE that INT vs the Cowboys that got called back.

You mean the one where his protection failed him because guys are coming at him like crazy because of his star power.. And I thought he threw the ball there to force them to call the penalty..

Terrible throw. He made another terrible throw v. the Texans the last game of the season last year.

This was VERY uncharacteristic of Tebow... I never saw him make such a weird play in all his college career. I think it was just a miscommunication. it could have even been Lloyd's fault but Tebow took the blame. I thought Lloyd's behavior indicated this but just a guess. Plus he was just in a horrible situation with having no prep before he was inserted into live games.

I like his swagger, but you can't make throws like that and expect to be an NFL starter - or even an NFL backup.

Did you see Quinn's first downs he played in? He threw several balls that were worse than anything Tebow has ever done EVER. They should have been interceptions and he had a 2 and out against third stringers..

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 02:59 PM
People really should realize the MacGruder rule is like the jhns rule from last season, once he gets involved, bail thread, it's only downhill from here.

You mean because I called out the completely stupid BS going on?

Don't kill the messenger..

Powderaddict
08-19-2011, 02:59 PM
You mean the one where his protection failed him because guys are coming at him like crazy because of his star power.. And I thought he threw the ball there to force them to call the penalty..



This was VERY uncharacteristic of Tebow... I never made him make such a weird play in all his college career. I think it was just a miscommunication. it could have even been Lloyd's fault but Tebow took the blame. I thought Lloyd's behavior indicated this but just a guess. Plus he was just in a horrible situation with having no prep before he was inserted into live games.



Did you see Quinn's first downs he played in? He threw several balls that were worse than anything Tebow has ever done EVER. They should have been interceptions and he had a 2 and out against third stringers..

uhm....

TailgateNut
08-19-2011, 03:01 PM
uhm....


I'm telling you MacGruder is TimBoys mom.

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 03:02 PM
uhm....

Just a weird editing error.. You are projecting..

Powderaddict
08-19-2011, 03:03 PM
Just a weird editing error.. You are projecting..

Like Astrally? Is this how you make Tebow do stuff?

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 03:03 PM
I'm telling you MacGruder is TimBoys mom.

Nah.. I am all your daddy's..

Once again I am attacked for pointing out your own madness and delusions..

Quinn comes in LOSES the lead against a backup and people act like he played great.. it's preposterous..

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 03:04 PM
Like Astrally? Is this how you make Tebow do stuff?

You are really desperate... lol

I must have hit a serious nerve with this Quinn stupidity..

TheReverend
08-19-2011, 03:05 PM
Nah.. I all your daddy's..

Once again I am attacked for pointing out your own madness and delusions..

Quinn comes in LOSES the lead against a backup and people act like he played great.. it's preposterous..

Lol, I thought Tebow out performed the other two in that game... but you really are ****ing retarded.

StugotsIII
08-19-2011, 03:06 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18713879

Dear Brady Quinn:

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq0iw1QfmB1qafrh6.gif

Powderaddict
08-19-2011, 03:07 PM
Nah.. I all your daddy's..

Once again I am attacked for pointing out your own madness and delusions..

Quinn comes in LOSES the lead against a backup and people act like he played great.. it's preposterous..

Listen I like Tebow, I want him to start. But I'm a Bronco fan first and foremost.

I pretty much want "Anyone than Orton". Based on just one preseason game, Quinn looked better than Tebow. But it was just one game. But Quinn is the only QB that led the team to TD's.

You don't seriously believe that Field Goals are better than Touchdowns do you?

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 03:07 PM
Lol, I thought Tebow out performed the other two in that game... but you really are ****ing retarded.

This from the guy who had a multiple page argument about how Peyton Manning is athletic.. LOL

You seriously need help... like a bullet with BOTH eyes closed

SonOfLe-loLang
08-19-2011, 03:09 PM
How is it absurd??? LOL

It's common sense!

Everyone says to WIN the starting spot and Orton and Quin n both played WORSE in their time given...

Tebow even had the better passer rating!

People are seriously nuts..

Is it because Tebow doesn't "look" poised.. and FIGHTS on every play no matter the situation?

Its a beyond cherry picked argument that doesn't consider 37980543759837538573895987358347535345983739053985 9308530958325830953 factors.

I'm a big tim fan, wishes he would start, but i dont think he played particularly well that first game.

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 03:10 PM
Listen I like Tebow, I want him to start. But I'm a Bronco fan first and foremost.

I pretty much want "Anyone than Orton". Based on just one preseason game, Quinn looked better than Tebow. But it was just one game. But Quinn is the only QB that led the team to TD's.

You don't seriously believe that Field Goals are better than Touchdowns do you?

You don't seriously belive LOSING the lead to a backup is a plus for Quinn do you?

The backup OUTPLAYED him.. and QUINN had the lead.. he had extra points to give and still lost

Don't you get it?

Do you realize that when the other team has a lead it causes you to be more aggressive? Tebow would have had more TDs in the same situation as well and would have WON! Especially with the lead since he had a better passer rating.

Tebow even held back as a runner.. and STILL played better.

Powderaddict
08-19-2011, 03:11 PM
This from the guy who had a multiple page argument about how Peyton Manning is athletic.. LOL

You seriously need help... like a bullet with BOTH eyes closed

I don't know, you seem to think that drives that end up in field goals are somehow preferable to drives that end up in touchdowns. That seems a bit unbalanced to me.

But I'm new here, so what do I know.

Powderaddict
08-19-2011, 03:12 PM
You don't seriously belive LOSING the lead to a backup is a plus for Wuindo you?

The backup OUTPLAYED him.. and QUINN had the lead.. he had extra points to give and still lost

Don't you get it?

do you realize that when the other team has a lead it causes you to be more aggressive? Tebow would have had more TDs in the same situation as well and would have WON! Especially with the lead since he had a better passer rating.

Tebow even held back as a runner.. and STILL played better.

Dodged the question, so I have to go with you honestly believe that drives ending in Field Goals are better than drives than end in Touchdowns.

Kinda wierd, but ok.

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 03:13 PM
Its a beyond cherry picked argument that doesn't consider 37980543759837538573895987358347535345983739053985 9308530958325830953 factors.

I'm a big tim fan, wishes he would start, but i dont think he played particularly well that first game.

Go watch Bradford when he played with and against backups last season.. he got KILLED.

Tebow just LOOKS bad.. when are people going to figure this out? It's because he does everything he can to win on eveyr play rather than fetaling or throwing the ball out of bounds or laying down for a sack before he is even touched. do you realize how bad Orton would have looked in the same situation? he would have looked like Bradford last preseason.. and done absolutely nothing. And Tebow still put up better stats and had the lead!

Inkana7
08-19-2011, 03:13 PM
You don't seriously belive LOSING the lead to a backup is a plus for Wuindo you?

The backup OUTPLAYED him.. and QUINN had the lead.. he had extra points to give and still lost

Don't you get it?

do you realize that when the other team has a lead it causes you to be more aggressive? Tebow would have had more TDs in the same situation as well and would have WON! Especially with the lead since he had a better passer rating.

Tebow even held back as a runner.. and STILL played better.

This is a sad post.

Powderaddict
08-19-2011, 03:16 PM
Go watch Bradford when he played with and against backups last season.. he got KILLED.

Tebow just LOOKS bad.. when are people going to figure this out? It's because he does everything he can to win on eveyr play rather than fetaling or throwing the ball out of bounds or laying down for a sack before he is even touched. do you realize how bad Orton would have looked in the same situation? he would have looked like Bradford last preseason.. and done absolutely nothing. And Tebow still put up better stats and had the lead!

Of course Orton would have looked bad, he can't run to save his life.

But that has nothing to do with the fact that Quinn got points on the board better in the one preseason game than Orton and Tebow.

SonOfLe-loLang
08-19-2011, 03:16 PM
Go watch Bradford when he played with and against backups last season.. he got KILLED.

Tebow just LOOKS bad.. when are people going to figure this out? It's because he does everything he can to win on eveyr play rather than fetaling or throwing the ball out of bounds or laying down for a sack before he is even touched. do you realize how bad Orton would have looked in the same situation? he would have looked like Bradford last preseason.. and done absolutely nothing. And Tebow still put up better stats and had the lead!

You and I are arguing separate points. I'm not comparing them, i just said he didnt look that strong and the assigning of points to their level of play was a dumb comparison.

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 03:16 PM
This is a sad post.

What is sad is that I have to explain this to supposed adults.. LOL

NFL fans seriously have to be the dumbest people ever..

I always think back to the **** storm Bellichick had to go through for going for it on 4th and 1...

This explains why people would play Orton or Quinn over Tebow.. there is something wrong with NFL fans.. it's some kind of herd mentality or group think.. Lemmings..

TheReverend
08-19-2011, 03:16 PM
This is a sad post.

He has 2,404 of those.

...and climbing.

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 03:18 PM
You and I are arguing separate points. I'm not comparing them, i just said he didnt look that strong and the assigning of points to their level of play was a dumb comparison.

I think players were supposed to EARN the starting spot?

Losing to his competition with extra points is anything BUT winning it...

Powderaddict
08-19-2011, 03:19 PM
What is sad is that I have to explain this to supposed adults.. LOL

NFL fans seriously have to be the dumbest people ever..

I always think back to the **** storm Bellichick had to go through for going for it on 4th and 1...

This explains why people would play Orton or Quinn over Tebow.. there is something wrong with NFL fans.. it's some kind of herd mentality or group think.. Lemmings..

Yup. The whoooooooooole wide world is crazy, you're the *only* sane one.

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 03:19 PM
He has 2,404 of those.

...and climbing.

Right.. and Peyton manning is athletic..

LOL

A chimp is smarter than that...

TheReverend
08-19-2011, 03:21 PM
Right.. and Peyton manning is athletic..

LOL

A chimp is smarter than that...

ok.

Powderaddict
08-19-2011, 03:21 PM
Right.. and Peyton manning is athletic..

LOL

A chimp is smarter than that...

He plays an extremely athletic sport at a very high level.

Compared to Michael Vick, no he's not, but he's athletic enough to be one of the best players to wear a NFL uniform.

Edited to add: He's a damned lot better than any of the QB's on Denver's roster right now.

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 03:22 PM
Yup. The whoooooooooole wide world is crazy, you're the *only* sane one.

It's not craziness.. it's small mindedness.. and ignorance.

People see something different and they can't understand it.. the NFL is the most homogenized creativity lacking field I have ever seen.. it must attract a certain type of mentality. Sports in general is like this a lot.

TheReverend
08-19-2011, 03:23 PM
He plays an extremely athletic sport at a very high level.

Compared to Michael Vick, no he's not, but he's athletic enough to be one of the best players to EVER wear a NFL uniform.

Edited to add: He's a damned lot better than any of the QB's on Denver's roster right now.

Fixed

Archer81
08-19-2011, 03:23 PM
..


http://tinyurl.com/3hvmv8d



:Broncos:

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 03:24 PM
He plays an extremely athletic sport at a very high level.[quote]

so do Ryan Mallet and Ton Brady.. LOL And ORTON.. hahahaha

[quote]Compared to Michael Vick, no he's not, but he's athletic enough to be one of the best players to wear a NFL uniform.

Edited to add: He's a damned lot better than any of the QB's on Denver's roster right now.

That doesn't mean he is athletic in the sense TheRev was pushing.. he used an example of Manning rushing on one play. LOL

SonOfLe-loLang
08-19-2011, 03:25 PM
I think players were supposed to EARN the starting spot?

Losing to his competition with extra points is anything BUT winning it...

WTF are you talking about?

The original argument. You claimed because Orton left with a tie, Tebow left with the lead, and Quinn left with the loss, Tim clearly played better than all of them.

And thats simply just untrue and ignores a gazillion factors that go into a football game. Not to mention, one of Tim's field goals came off a TO deep in opponent territory.

I like tebow, i think he can be real good, but last week wasn't some incredible display. He didnt play poorly, but ive seen him play better

vancejohnson82
08-19-2011, 03:25 PM
Quinn doesnt even know the playbook terminology

its "chuck" it deep to Lloyd every time

TheReverend
08-19-2011, 03:26 PM
so do Ryan Mallet and Ton Brady.. LOL And ORTON.. hahahaha

That doesn't mean he is athletic in the sense TheRev was pushing.. he used an example of Manning rushing on one play. LOL

You are clearly exhibiting "small mindedness" and "ignorance". You're "seeing something different and you can't understand it". You're just so "homogenized" and lacking "creativity" you "can't see the forest for the trees".

"All truth goes through 3 phases"

Did I get all your psychopath buzz words?

Do I win "Schizophrenic Bingo"?

vancejohnson82
08-19-2011, 03:27 PM
Right.. and Peyton manning is athletic..

LOL

A chimp is smarter than that...

you obviously have no idea what the term "athletic" means

Powderaddict
08-19-2011, 03:28 PM
It's not craziness.. it's small mindedness.. and ignorance.

People see something different and they can't understand it.. the NFL is the most homogenized creativity lacking field I have ever seen.. it must attract a certain type of mentality. Sports in general is like this a lot.

I really don't care about how they get the results, I just care about the result itself.

If Tebow can deliver more points than Quinn, great!! It's just that he DIDN'T.

Archer81
08-19-2011, 03:30 PM
People see something different and they can't understand it..

http://tinyurl.com/44n8mwx


:Broncos:

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 03:31 PM
I really don't care about how they get the results, I just care about the result itself.

If Tebow can deliver more points than Quinn, great!! It's just that he DIDN'T.

so now it's points?

When Tebow delivered more points than Orton that didn't count?

Quinn also didn't put up more point than the guy he faced.. he had an advantage too!

Someone should have told Tebow he had to outperform Quinn in the future not the guy he was playing at the time..

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 03:34 PM
you obviously have no idea what the term "athletic" means

I do in the sense TheRev said.. I do in NFL terms.. TheRev used ONE run play by Peyton as his argument..

Seriously.. TheRev should be banned from all sports message boards for trying to argue what he did...

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 03:37 PM
You are clearly exhibiting "small mindedness" and "ignorance". You're "seeing something different and you can't understand it". You're just so "homogenized" and lacking "creativity" you "can't see the forest for the trees".

"All truth goes through 3 phases"

Did I get all your psychopath buzz words?

Do I win "Schizophrenic Bingo"?

I seem to have hit a nerve.. TheRev got chatty..

Even you HAVE to know how crazy that argument was.. sounds like all your arguments.. arguing a lost cause..

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 03:41 PM
WTF are you talking about?

The original argument. You claimed because Orton left with a tie, Tebow left with the lead, and Quinn left with the loss, Tim clearly played better than all of them.

And thats simply just untrue and ignores a gazillion factors that go into a football game. Not to mention, one of Tim's field goals came off a TO deep in opponent territory.

Quinn HAD that SAME advantage (he had those points too) and STILL lost to the guy he faced!


I like tebow, i think he can be real good, but last week wasn't some incredible display. He didnt play poorly, but ive seen him play better

Because he didn't run.. that is the only difference.. in fact he fought his instincts and only ran in prescribed predetermined situations.. which he should be commended for. And he STILL outplayed the others and under far tougher circumstances.

Archer81
08-19-2011, 03:43 PM
...arguing a lost cause..


http://tinyurl.com/3we3ynh


:Broncos:

TheReverend
08-19-2011, 03:44 PM
I do in the sense TheRev said.. I do in NFL terms.. TheRev used ONE run play by Peyton as his argument..

Seriously.. TheRev should be banned from all sports message boards for trying to argue what he did...

You either have the poorest reading comprehension and mental processing I've ever encountered, or you just love to make **** up...

Okay.

So forget being an all american at multiple positions.

Forget being all state as a short stop and batting .440

Forget his much maligned speed actually being TE caliber.

Forget that in 13 years he's about to miss his first game ever.

Forget that he holds almost every timed record for his position of all time.

Forget that the NFL rated him the #8 football of all time back in 2009.

And that he'll probably go down holding every record for the QB position.

And that he makes a retarded amount of money because what he does athletically is such a rarity.

Yup. All I did was link one run as an example...

extralife
08-19-2011, 03:47 PM
It would be worth cutting Tebow just to make macgruder go away

TailgateNut
08-19-2011, 03:50 PM
It would be worth cutting Tebow just to make macgruder go away


If you cut Tebow, Tebows' mom would go with him.

Archer81
08-19-2011, 03:54 PM
I seem to have hit a nerve...


http://tinyurl.com/3jtlon6


:Broncos:

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 03:55 PM
You either have the poorest reading comprehension and mental processing I've ever encountered, or you just love to make **** up...



Yup. All I did was link one run as an example...

Then why did you use a run as an example of his "athleticism"

FAIL.

You are BRAIN DEAD.

Not to mention it was the stupidest single play you could have ever used AND your thought process of why it was impresive was even more stupid.

And not to again mention that all those things you listed really have no value for true athleticism in the NFL... which is why you dug out that completely retarded highlight.. LOL

TheReverend
08-19-2011, 03:59 PM
Then why did you use a run as an example of his "athleticism"

FAIL.

You are BRAIN DEAD.

Not to mention it was the stupidest single play you could have ever used AND your thought process of why it was impresive was even more stupid.

And not to again mention that all those things you listed really have no value for true athleticism in the NFL... which is why you dug out that completely retarded highlight.. LOL

Because it was one example of him outrunning a DE?

Because it directly applied to the argument?

Because I've met AIDs patients with brighter futures than you?

Because you're probably the dumbest human being I've ever met? It's genetic though.

How severe cases of paranoia start: "Listen son... THEY HAD A FLOATING SHIP..."

broncs2bowl
08-19-2011, 04:01 PM
Quinn HAD that SAME advantage (he had those points too) and STILL lost to the guy he faced!




Because he didn't run.. that is the only difference.. in fact he fought his instincts and only ran in prescribed predetermined situations.. which he should be commended for. And he STILL outplayed the others and under far tougher circumstances.

Wrong.

He took off a good amount...

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 04:08 PM
Wrong.

He took off a good amount...

That is when he is supposed to run.. in designed situations or when the play breaks down and after he had gone through his progressions.

And even when he did run he didn't run as recklessly. Like that play where he got the penalties. ANY time before he would have at least got the first down or the touchdown there and taken contact.

He is trying to play more conservatively.. not with less fight or athleticism.. but just protecting himself more. Which is why he probably screwed up...

Inkana7
08-19-2011, 04:10 PM
That is when he is supposed to run.. in designed situations or when the play breaks down and after he had gone through his progressions.

And even when he did run he didn't run as recklessly. Like that play where he got the penalties. ANY time before he would have at least got the first down or the touchdown there and taken contact.

He is trying to play more conservatively.. not with less fight or athleticism.. but just protecting himself more. Which is why he probably screwed up...

yeah, clearly he would have converted that 3rd and 17, and probably scored, if he was playing more aggressively.

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 04:11 PM
Because it was one example of him outrunning a DE?

Hilarious! :spit:

Because it directly applied to the argument?

Because I've met AIDs patients with brighter futures than you?

Because you're probably the dumbest human being I've ever met? It's genetic though.

How severe cases of paranoia start: "Listen son... THEY HAD A FLOATING SHIP..."


LOL

You seriously need help dude.. I have seen some nutclusters in my time but you take the cake..

Peyton manning athletic.. BWAHAHA

Hell.. Kyle Orton might be more athletic than Manning.. If that doesn't illustrate what a screw job you are nothing will..

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 04:15 PM
yeah, clearly he would have converted that 3rd and 17, and probably scored, if he was playing more aggressively.

He set a Bronco TD run record in his VERY first start... if he had been determined to run in that situation I see no reason he couldn't. If you think he didn't run much because he couldn't you are less bright than I could have imagined..

If you can't tell he is trying to be more of a pocket passer and working on his short passes then you know less about Tebow than I thought possible.. which is why you should be kissing my beanbag for being able to explain the nuances of his game to you all.

TheReverend
08-19-2011, 04:16 PM
Hilarious! :spit:




LOL

You seriously need help dude.. I have seen some nutclusters in my time but you take the cake..

Peyton manning athletic.. BWAHAHA

Hell.. Kyle Orton might be more athletic than Manning.. If that doesn't illustrate what a screw job you are nothing will..

Lol

What's the worst part of tebow? (Scroll down for answer)


































You

Dagmar
08-19-2011, 04:19 PM
Seriously guys - the MacGruder rule - same as jhns last season. Use it!

Inkana7
08-19-2011, 04:20 PM
He set a Bronco TD run record in his VERY first start... if he had been determined to run in that situation I see no reason he couldn't. If you think he didn't run much because he couldn't you are less bright than I could have imagined..

If you can't tell he is trying to be more of a pocket passer and working on his short passes then you know less about Tebow than I thought possible.. which is why you should be kissing my beanbag for being able to explain the nuances of his game to you all.

You can't be a real person. I really hope someone like this does not exist.

HorseHead
08-19-2011, 04:30 PM
some angry mo fo's all over the joint tonight..

OABB
08-19-2011, 04:34 PM
LOL...Orton is the best QB on the team right now. Get over it.

this is true. you meant the "worst quarterbacks in the nfl" team right?

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 04:35 PM
You can't be a real person. I really hope someone like this does not exist.

You may be the least perceptive person imaginable.

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 04:36 PM
some angry mo fo's all over the joint tonight..

I'm not angry at all.. I have been laughing nonstop.

The things people say and do on this board are incomprehensible. Not you, but many.

DBroncos4life
08-19-2011, 04:37 PM
this is true. you meant the "worst quarterbacks in the nfl" team right?

Oh when did the Skins, Phins, Buffalo, Hawks, Browns, and 9ers drop out of the NFL?

SonOfLe-loLang
08-19-2011, 04:43 PM
Quinn HAD that SAME advantage (he had those points too) and STILL lost to the guy he faced!




Because he didn't run.. that is the only difference.. in fact he fought his instincts and only ran in prescribed predetermined situations.. which he should be commended for. And he STILL outplayed the others and under far tougher circumstances.

Did i forget how football is played? QB's play defense now?

HorseHead
08-19-2011, 04:55 PM
baby is asleep....wife is out till late...I can't believe I am actually looking forward to some Gabbert/Ryan action...

It will be a nice break from "As the QB Turns"....

great debate though gents, cheers...

wish me luck, I have to order Domino's..their pie blo-s goats....

broncocalijohn
08-19-2011, 05:46 PM
It's funny how everyone is talking up Quinn.. Orton played Dallas to a DRAW.. Tebow gave the team a LEAD and Quinn LOST it!

Right when we thought you couldnt get any dumber, you prove us wrong! So two TDs wasnt good enough for you? Did Quinn play defense? Not only does the final score not mean much, you can give that imaginary game ball over to Tebow. BTW, Orton had a lead too.

Didn't Romo and Orton both get one drive......................................?

Tebow led the Broncos to a lead in the time he played.

IF Tebow was behind like Quinn it would have warranted more aggressive play as Quinn did... and yet still lost the game!

Quinn also lost to a guy he had no business losing to considering his experience..

BTW dip****, what about those games Tebow played last year (2) and lost? Since it is always on the QB and not the defense, I guess Tebow screwed up, huh?

That is when he is supposed to run.. in designed situations or when the play breaks down and after he had gone through his progressions.

And even when he did run he didn't run as recklessly. Like that play where he got the penalties. ANY time before he would have at least got the first down or the touchdown there and taken contact.

He is trying to play more conservatively.. not with less fight or athleticism.. but just protecting himself more. Which is why he probably screwed up...

So when it was 3rd and goal at the 14 and Tebow ran for the endzone, that wasnt reckless? I missed that TD since he did run, but you say he gets the score or first down so what was it? Any QB would have thrown it in the endzone to get the score. Not Tebow, he was going to run it with a short field and destined to score. You are a ****ing idiot as usual and I have yet heard you comment on that play. Horrible decision on Tebow's part.

StugotsIII
08-19-2011, 06:02 PM
You may be the least perceptive person imaginable.

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/cstalli2/macgruber-o.gif

OABB
08-19-2011, 06:11 PM
Oh when did the Skins, Phins, Buffalo, Hawks, Browns, and 9ers drop out of the NFL?

a "team" is not one guy...

Lestat
08-19-2011, 06:19 PM
the Broncos have to fully evaluate the QB position and that means every guys(sans maybe Weber) needs to have some run with the 1s because there doesn't appear to be a clear cut #1.

DrFate
08-19-2011, 06:31 PM
Oh when did the Skins, Phins, Buffalo, Hawks, Browns, and 9ers drop out of the NFL?

John Beck looked really good tonite. Colt McCoy had 3 TDs against DET

Please don't insult these guys by comparing them to Orton

TheReverend
08-19-2011, 06:38 PM
John Beck looked really good tonite. Colt McCoy had 3 TDs against DET

Please don't insult these guys by comparing them to Orton

Standing ovation.

DBroncos4life
08-19-2011, 06:39 PM
John Beck looked really good tonite. Colt McCoy had 3 TDs against DET

Please don't insult these guys by comparing them to Orton

Ah good old preseason lol

DrFate
08-19-2011, 06:40 PM
Ah good old preseason lol

It was against first team defenses... I'm not giving these guys the Lombardi, but I'm not sure it's a persuasive argument to say these teams have a worse QB situaton than Orton

DBroncos4life
08-19-2011, 06:40 PM
Standing ovation.

Suh didnt play otherwise McCoy would be dead.

DBroncos4life
08-19-2011, 06:42 PM
It was against first team defenses... I'm not giving these guys the Lombardi, but I'm not sure it's a persuasive argument to say these teams have a worse QB situaton than Orton

I dont care if its the all time Bears D its still preseason.

Br0nc0Buster
08-19-2011, 06:44 PM
John Beck looked really good tonite. Colt McCoy had 3 TDs against DET

Please don't insult these guys by comparing them to Orton

Are you really pimping a guy who hasnt played for 2 years because of a preseason game?

Inkana7
08-19-2011, 06:46 PM
It was against first team defenses... I'm not giving these guys the Lombardi, but I'm not sure it's a persuasive argument to say these teams have a worse QB situaton than Orton

I watched Stafford stall in the Redzone, man. He sucks.

DBroncos4life
08-19-2011, 06:46 PM
Are you really pimping a guy who hasnt played for 2 years because of a preseason game?

Rex looked all pro last week too. The skins are loaded with QB talent.ROFL!

TheReverend
08-19-2011, 06:47 PM
Suh didnt play otherwise McCoy would be dead.

Hillis wouldve hit him and the world wouldve imploded

DrFate
08-19-2011, 06:47 PM
I dont care if its the all time Bears D its still preseason.

But Orton is supposed to start because he looks sharp in practice...

Please reconcile that for me

DrFate
08-19-2011, 06:47 PM
Rex looked all pro last week too. The skins are loaded with QB talent.ROFL!

I'd trade Orton for either one

TheReverend
08-19-2011, 06:48 PM
Rex looked all pro last week too. The skins are loaded with QB talent.ROFL!

After seeing Plummer play under Mike, I wouldn't be surprised..

DBroncos4life
08-19-2011, 06:49 PM
Hillis wouldve hit him and the world wouldve imploded
Suh hitting Hillis would have created a black hole.

TheReverend
08-19-2011, 06:51 PM
Suh hitting Hillis would have created a black hole.

That's Suh's nickname at the detroit gay bars

DBroncos4life
08-19-2011, 06:51 PM
But Orton is supposed to start because he looks sharp in practice...

Please reconcile that for me

Well you see there is this guy lets call him the Head Coach. He picks the starters based on a number of things. For some reason ours HC picked Orton.

DBroncos4life
08-19-2011, 06:53 PM
That's Suh's nickname at the detroit gay bars

I will find you and murder you then bring you back to life to murder you again.

TheReverend
08-19-2011, 06:54 PM
I will find you and murder you then bring you back to life to murder you again.

Lol sorry, figured this thread was garbage anyway

DBroncos4life
08-19-2011, 06:57 PM
Lol sorry, figured this thread was garbage anyway

Ill break JoePa's hip too!

Hamrob
08-19-2011, 06:58 PM
All our fighting is funny.

Orton will start the season (period)
If he struggles, he will be pulled
Tebow will play because we spent a #1 on him
If Quinn can show himself this preseason...he'll pick up elsewhere.

I like Quinn better than Orton, but he's in a tough spot. If we stop this idiotic infatuation with Orton...then, we really need to find out what we invested a first round pick in!

Shananahan
08-19-2011, 07:22 PM
We invested a Hillis in Quinn, though.

That's like five or six first-round picks.

OABB
08-19-2011, 08:29 PM
I watched Stafford stall in the Redzone, man. He sucks.

hes been injured. if he still cant put it in after seven years than you can say he sucks.

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 09:17 PM
Suh didnt play otherwise McCoy would be dead.

McCoy looked like he was ready to retire at halftime. lol He looked worse than Brett Favre after that beating he took at 40. haha

vonqkilla
08-19-2011, 09:50 PM
The team, the FO, and Coaches know Orton is the best, now.
WRs love KO.
If we lose the opener and Orton is bad watch out in fan world, but the team wont buckle until we are clearly done. That said, we should be good to go and I predict a 7 pt win over Oak whose secondary will now suck.

Maybe by week 9 the team makes a move if we are a coyple under .500.

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 10:06 PM
Players are idiots though... They are as bad as fans. They see that Tebow doe things different and because of small minds don't realize he will make them better than Orton ever will.

Though Orton could put up big hollow inefficient numbers.. but I doubt it without McD around.

So not only will they not get big hollow numbers.. but they will be losing, too.

Archer81
08-19-2011, 10:17 PM
Players are idiots though... They are as bad as fans. They see that Tebow doe things different and because of small minds don't realize he will make them better than Orton ever will...


Eventually.

The more I think about it, the more I see the logic in letting Tebow get work with the staff as a backup. I dont particularly like it, but he is not where he needs to be to get this team where it needs to go. I do not particularly relish the idea of watching Orton again...he is very uninspiring and at times is too mechanical in what he does. He is gone after this season and we can really begin the next phase of Broncos football.

At this point I'm over the Tebow v Orton argument. Other things to worry about. Like a lack of offensive line depth (the starters I think will be solid) and defensive line. If they bring back Monsanto Pope and that Mallard guy (260 lb DT? WTF) I will snap like a twig in January.

:Broncos:

Dagmar
08-19-2011, 10:25 PM
Eventually.

The more I think about it, the more I see the logic in letting Tebow get work with the staff as a backup. I dont particularly like it, but he is not where he needs to be to get this team where it needs to go. I do not particularly relish the idea of watching Orton again...he is very uninspiring and at times is too mechanical in what he does. He is gone after this season and we can really begin the next phase of Broncos football.


:Broncos:

A. Waiting another year. Urgh.
B. If we are picking top 5 we will have to hear about us giving up the draft to draft Luck. Unless the Bengals or Bills or SF have the No. 1 pick.

Archer81
08-19-2011, 10:28 PM
A. Waiting another year. Urgh.
B. If we are picking top 5 we will have to hear about us giving up the draft to draft Luck. Unless the Bengals or Bills or SF have the No. 1 pick.


I try and think about Orton as the 2011 starter...and I already feel the afterpangs of heartburn coupled with the unmistakeable sensation of pre-vomit mouth.

But if that is the way it has to be...so be it.

And I do not even want to think about the 2012 draft now. And I do not want to listen to the arguments for Luck until then.


:Broncos:

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 10:41 PM
Eventually.

The more I think about it, the more I see the logic in letting Tebow get work with the staff as a backup. I dont particularly like it, but he is not where he needs to be to get this team where it needs to go. I do not particularly relish the idea of watching Orton again...he is very uninspiring and at times is too mechanical in what he does. He is gone after this season and we can really begin the next phase of Broncos football.

I agree.. but only till the bye week.

I think by then it will makeup for the lack of offseason prep.

The only way Tebow is going to get better in the areas people want to see him get better in is by playing. That is why he is behind in this area.. because he never played in a pro style offense. He just needs to get the rhythm of it. Sitting on the bench isn't going to help. Especially behind someone like Orton who is so flawed.

It's not going to matter though,.. I don't think Orton will win or stay healthy. Tebow will be in soon.. and I think Quinn will tank too even if they put him in before Tebow. I see this just making Tebow look that much better in the end. At least people won't be pining for someone else over Tebow when he goes in.

KipCorrington25
08-19-2011, 10:49 PM
It will be a very frustrating season with 3 and Orton under center, I see a lot of "oh we almost won" threads, a lot of choking in the red zone and in the 4th quarter, the "we were so close" but lost threads, maybe we can get Jim Tracy to come on here and tell us how close we were?

That One Guy
08-19-2011, 11:09 PM
It will be a very frustrating season with 3 and Orton under center, I see a lot of "oh we almost won" threads, a lot of choking in the red zone and in the 4th quarter, the "we were so close" but lost threads, maybe we can get Jim Tracy to come on here and tell us how close we were?

Maybe we can find a running game at the goal line and in 3rd and short situations? Hell, keep putting Tebow in when necessary and tell Orton to forget a red zone even exists.

Orton is hardly the player least carrying his own weight on that offense.

Archer81
08-19-2011, 11:15 PM
Maybe we can find a running game at the goal line and in 3rd and short situations? Hell, keep putting Tebow in when necessary and tell Orton to forget a red zone even exists.

Orton is hardly the player least carrying his own weight on that offense.


His inability to make clutch plays consistently is the most frustrating thing about Kyle Orton. It's great that he can make pretty throws or get yards in junk time. More often then not when he needs to make a play, he cant. Its like he shuts down or is too afraid to make a mistake.

If its 3rd down I am surprised when he converts it rather than being surprised he didnt. Same with the redzone. If its inside the 10, he does not have the physical ability to evade pressure to get the td himself or move outside the pocket and create space for his receivers.

That is what bugs me the most about Kyle Orton.

That and his neckbeard.

:Broncos:

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 11:27 PM
It will be a very frustrating season with 3 and Orton under center, I see a lot of "oh we almost won" threads, a lot of choking in the red zone and in the 4th quarter, the "we were so close" but lost threads, maybe we can get Jim Tracy to come on here and tell us how close we were?

People also keep forgetting that Orton even looked much better than he was under McD.. which is why it's a real shame we never saw Tebow in a real game under McD......

People juts keep thinking removing McD is going to remove all McD's weakness and the Broncos will still have all their strengths.. forgetting that McD provided those positives.

This is what I think everyone is missing.. the way the Broncos were constructed the offense and Orton should have been carrying the team.. that he couldn't do that ruined everything McD did.. and the one who should have gotten the blame was Orton not McD.

That One Guy
08-19-2011, 11:30 PM
His inability to make clutch plays consistently is the most frustrating thing about Kyle Orton. It's great that he can make pretty throws or get yards in junk time. More often then not when he needs to make a play, he cant. Its like he shuts down or is too afraid to make a mistake.

If its 3rd down I am surprised when he converts it rather than being surprised he didnt. Same with the redzone. If its inside the 10, he does not have the physical ability to evade pressure to get the td himself or move outside the pocket and create space for his receivers.

That is what bugs me the most about Kyle Orton.

That and his neckbeard.

:Broncos:

But when was the last time we were a threat to run it on 3rd down? A team unable to present a running threat will be at a disadvantage. That's particularly true in the RZ where the field is condensed and zones become smaller.

Maybe if they had to put 9 in the box, some of those passing windows open up. It's completely hypothetical (before anyone acts like I just punched their momma) but there's flaws to a one dimensional approach.

I'd personally like to see someone else beat Orton for the job and am more receptive to Quinn than I have been in the past. It's just nauseating to hear people try to put the blame for everything (that they used to put on McD) on Orton. Orton has shown he can move the ball. Now we just need a running game to compliment him and we could see if anything would improve. It couldn't hurt.

That One Guy
08-19-2011, 11:32 PM
People also keep forgetting that Orton even looked much better than he was under McD.. which is why it's a real shame we never saw Tebow in a real game under McD......

People juts keep thinking removing McD is going to remove all McD's weakness and the Broncos will still have all their strengths.. forgetting that McD provided those positives.

This is what I think everyone is missing.. the way the Broncos were constructed the offense and Orton should have been carrying the team.. that he couldn't do that ruined everything McD did.. and the one who should have gotten the blame was Orton not McD.

What does that even mean? You are what you are. No more, no less. If he played well under McD, that just means he played well. It's like you're implying McD had a magic wand that took control of Orton and made him into a half-decent QB.

MacGruder
08-19-2011, 11:48 PM
What does that even mean? You are what you are. No more, no less. If he played well under McD, that just means he played well. It's like you're implying McD had a magic wand that took control of Orton and made him into a half-decent QB.

You don't think one coach can make players look better than another?

I think McD and his system will make ANY QB look better than they are.

If you have a bad QB like Orton it makes him look almost good. If You have a young rough around the edges QB like Tebow it will make him look much better than an average offensive coach like Fox.

I don't see what is strange about that concept.. that's why great coaches get paid the big bucks.

That One Guy
08-20-2011, 12:35 AM
You don't think one coach can make players look better than another?

I think McD and his system will make ANY QB look better than they are.

If you have a bad QB like Orton it makes him look almost good. If You have a young rough around the edges QB like Tebow it will make him look much better than an average offensive coach like Fox.

I don't see what is strange about that concept.. that's why great coaches get paid the big bucks.

To some logic, coaches do make a player better. Yes. But once that coach leaves, that player is absolutely capable of retaining the knowledge the coach taught them. The player IS better and, thus, is not capable of looking better than they are. The player is what he is. If he's good, bad, or otherwise, he is what he is.

Whether the player continues to strive once placed in a different system or where different skills are crucial is immaterial. It seems jumbled to try to explain it but I think that's because your original statement is pretty screwy.

MacGruder
08-20-2011, 01:25 AM
To some logic, coaches do make a player better. Yes. But once that coach leaves, that player is absolutely capable of retaining the knowledge the coach taught them. The player IS better and, thus, is not capable of looking better than they are. The player is what he is. If he's good, bad, or otherwise, he is what he is.

Whether the player continues to strive once placed in a different system or where different skills are crucial is immaterial. It seems jumbled to try to explain it but I think that's because your original statement is pretty screwy.

I totally disagree. I think if you took Tom Brady and took him off the Pats he wouldn't look anywhere near as good as he does playing for Belichick.

Take Ryan Mallet.. he has looked good because Bellichick put the perfect system around him.. protected him perfectly. Take that away and a player can completely fall apart.

Since McCoy is still with the Broncos there will be a little carry over.. but I don't think it will last long. McD knew how to run his system optimally.. he knew what players he needed to run it.. he knew how to operate it at the highest level. Take those elements away and it is likely to completely collapse.. UNLESS you have someone nearly as great to construct their own system and make it work. The odds of that are very slim.

This may be why Orton wanted out as well.. Fox had a terrible offense last year. Without McD running the system his numbers could plummet.

Shananahan
08-20-2011, 01:51 AM
Anybody ever know somebody who was really opinionated or super political all the time, but their views were constantly changing as they learned more and realized everything they'd previously said was uneducated and ridiculous?

I'm looking forward to your continued growth and development as a fan of NFL football, MacGruder.

MacGruder
08-20-2011, 01:57 AM
Anybody ever know somebody who was really opinionated or super political all the time, but their views were constantly changing as they learned more and realized everything they'd previously said was uneducated and ridiculous?

I'm looking forward to your continued growth and development as a fan of NFL football, MacGruder.

You mean because I don't parrot what the media says?

Don't you see how backwards that thinking is?

And how are my views changing?

All truth goes through three phases.

DBroncos4life
08-20-2011, 07:30 AM
I totally disagree. I think if you took Tom Brady and took him off the Pats he wouldn't look anywhere near as good as he does playing for Belichick.

Take Ryan Mallet.. he has looked good because Bellichick put the perfect system around him.. protected him perfectly. Take that away and a player can completely fall apart.

Since McCoy is still with the Broncos there will be a little carry over.. but I don't think it will last long. McD knew how to run his system optimally.. he knew what players he needed to run it.. he knew how to operate it at the highest level. Take those elements away and it is likely to completely collapse.. UNLESS you have someone nearly as great to construct their own system and make it work. The odds of that are very slim.

This may be why Orton wanted out as well.. Fox had a terrible offense last year. Without McD running the system his numbers could plummet.
True story BB has never been to the playoffs as a HC without Tom Brady. He got fired once without Tom Brady. As for them protecting Tom Brady, he has been sacked over 25 times multiple times in a season except the year he got hurt. Cassel lead the NFL in sacks that year. Brady has always been in the middle of the pack in times sacked during his time in the NFL. Hell in the Super Bowl Tom Brady was knocked down 18 times and sacked 5. You would think that in the biggest game of the year old BB would have had his line blocking better right?

MacGruder
08-20-2011, 08:12 AM
True story BB has never been to the playoffs as a HC without Tom Brady. He got fired once without Tom Brady. As for them protecting Tom Brady, he has been sacked over 25 times multiple times in a season except the year he got hurt. Cassel lead the NFL in sacks that year. Brady has always been in the middle of the pack in times sacked during his time in the NFL. Hell in the Super Bowl Tom Brady was knocked down 18 times and sacked 5. You would think that in the biggest game of the year old BB would have had his line blocking better right?

That is because NO QB can be protected completely in this era. And Tom Brady was a 6th round pick without Beli.. and Cassell was very very successful in the same system as a virtual rookie.

Brady might get sacked but just keeping him healthy as skinny as he is and with no mobility is a testament to Beli's greatness. Those are Orton fetaling sacks under McD.. not Tebow sacks fighting off linebackers... Brady could never get to the playoffs or Superbowl without Beli protecting him. I suspect Orton will be getting hit a lot more without McD using the same principles to protect Orton too. And Bradford will probably get touched even less under McD.

Just imagine Brady WITHOUT Beli protecting him.. you think he gets sacked and roughed up now? Without BB and with brady's lack of mobility.. he'd be a dead man.

Also.. remember the Pats have a weak run game. That they can protect Brady without that is incredible. Beli's quickfire offense that runs like clockwork allows it.

Why do you think McD got a head coaching job in the first place? Because he was bringing BBs tricks of the trade..

Boobs McGee
08-20-2011, 08:45 AM
But when was the last time we were a threat to run it on 3rd down? A team unable to present a running threat will be at a disadvantage. That's particularly true in the RZ where the field is condensed and zones become smaller.

Maybe if they had to put 9 in the box, some of those passing windows open up. It's completely hypothetical (before anyone acts like I just punched their momma) but there's flaws to a one dimensional approach.

I'd personally like to see someone else beat Orton for the job and am more receptive to Quinn than I have been in the past. It's just nauseating to hear people try to put the blame for everything (that they used to put on McD) on Orton. Orton has shown he can move the ball. Now we just need a running game to compliment him and we could see if anything would improve. It couldn't hurt.

This.

El Guapo
08-20-2011, 10:19 AM
I'm sick of this subject and everything going on in the "War, Religion, & Politics" forum. Talk about tired head.

May the best player represent our team so that we can get some "W's!"

Go Broncos!

bendog
08-20-2011, 10:25 AM
Why do you think McD got a head coaching job in the first place? Because he was bringing BBs tricks of the trade..

I blame Jewel of Russia

orange 4 life
08-20-2011, 11:41 AM
Fox wants a gamer.

Fox will play the one that performs best.

Right now, the worst performing QB (granted from ONE preseason game) is #1 on the depth chart.

:/

If this keeps up...

Orton has been so far and away the best (no one that's been at camp will argue it anymore) that the ONLY competition is for the backup spot.

As for the preseason game Orton looked just fine. A blown up screen, a nice dump-off, a BEAUTIFUL back shoulder pass after reading the blitz, a mistimed jump from Lloyd at the endzone and finally a couple balls thrown away which was obviously the right move under the circumstances.

I want to score 7 as much as anyone but Orton wasn't the reason we didn't (the penalty was the key in this case) and a 13 play drive to start the preseason is pretty solid.

P.S.- To think Tebow outperformed EITHER Orton or Quinn would be just looking at stats. If you watched it you couldn't really think Tebow outplayed either could you? Just my .02.

P.P.S- As to the Quinn comment fair enough though he (and all of us) should also realize that Orton and Lloyd are playing AGAINST the 1st team defense.
Quinn isn't throwing to Lloyd but he's also playing against their 3rd teamers. If that comment was a sleight then bad form Brady.

orange 4 life
08-20-2011, 11:50 AM
Also thought there was an interesting moment yesterday on the Dan Patrick Show. When DE Chris Long was asked who was the best qb he played against last year he said Kyle Orton.

Sure it's just one guy's opinion but it's a pretty strong opinion from a guy that also played against Rivers (who he did mention 2nd), Brees, Stafford, and Ryan among others.