PDA

View Full Version : Patrick Peterson isn't good enough to start


Kaylore
08-19-2011, 09:53 AM
...yet. ;)

Patrick Peterson remains a backup for now

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/19/patrick-peterson-remains-a-backup-for-now/

When the Cardinals traded cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie to Philly, the assumption was that No. 5 overall pick Patrick Peterson would replace him in the starting lineup.

That should happen eventually, but it hasn’t happened yet. Peterson continues to run with the backups behind second-year cornerback A.J. Jefferson and Greg Toler.

PRBronco
08-19-2011, 09:57 AM
/hides before he gets caught in Rev's wrath

Kaylore
08-19-2011, 10:03 AM
/hides before he gets caught in Rev's wrath

Quick! Someone start a thread about how Cutler's fumble to pass attempt ratio is worse than Orton's and how Shanahan's staff dropped the Redskins defense from the single digits to the high teens!

ROFL!

TheReverend
08-19-2011, 10:05 AM
Quick! Someone start a thread about how Cutler's fumble to pass attempt ratio is worse than Orton's and how Shanahan's staff dropped the Redskins defense from the single digits to the high teens!

ROFL!

This post has me breaking out in hives.

TheReverend
08-19-2011, 10:09 AM
This thread is a Courtney Brown insult away from making me go Super Saiyan.

Cito Pelon
08-19-2011, 10:10 AM
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2011/08/18/20110818arizona-cardinals-patrick-petersons-response-failure.html


"Arizona Cardinals' Patrick Peterson's response to failure will be crucial"


And John Beck is expected to start for the Skins in PS game two. :wave:

tsiguy96
08-19-2011, 10:25 AM
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2011/08/18/20110818arizona-cardinals-patrick-petersons-response-failure.html


"Arizona Cardinals' Patrick Peterson's response to failure will be crucial"


And John Beck is expected to start for the Skins in PS game two. :wave:

the redskins had 2 DL that would instantly start here and a LOT of other teams (carter and haynesworth) and got rid of both because they dont fit shannys newfound love for 3-4 schemes...

TheReverend
08-19-2011, 10:27 AM
the redskins had 2 DL that would instantly start here and a LOT of other teams (carter and haynesworth) and got rid of both because they dont fit shannys newfound love for 3-4 schemes...

Do you know what a double fan is?

tsiguy96
08-19-2011, 10:32 AM
Do you know what a double fan is?

http://ceilingfanss.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Double-Ceiling-Fan.jpg

this?

Spider
08-19-2011, 10:35 AM
http://ceilingfanss.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Double-Ceiling-Fan.jpg

this?

LOL

TheReverend
08-19-2011, 10:40 AM
[IMG]http://ceilingfanss.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Double-Ceiling-Fan.jpg[IMG]

this?

No.

It's, imo, the most successful defense in the NFL.

A lot of 3-4 teams run more of what really amounts to a 4-3 just with a stand up DE.

Then you have some that are more of a 5-2. Like Pittsburgh. Like what we TRIED to do by drafting Ayers to play opposite Elvis.

When you have TWO OLBs that are serious threats to the QB (like LaMarr Woodley and James Harrison), OC's CAN'T use a TE to block either. That means the OTs have to pick each up.

And what does that mean? It means EVERYONE of those enormous 3-4 DL get one on one matches inside.

As if that isn't favorable enough... with those IOL tied up one on one, you can do some REALLY straight forward blitz schemes from your MLBs right through the A-gaps and give them a sprinting path to the QB that at worst goes right over a RB.

That's why Farrior, Timmons and Foote have been successful getting to the QB. That's why it's so easy for LeBeau to dial up pressure. Etc.

And now with Orakpo and Kerrigan, Washington can do the same. And with the guys they have on the back end, they can afford to bring it.

Often.

bronco militia
08-19-2011, 10:41 AM
pow pow!

;D

24champ
08-19-2011, 11:03 AM
Just to pile on rev.


Ponder finally got on the field with 7:55 left, and the 12th pick overall was sacked three times—the last by former Florida State teammate Myron Rolle(notes).


recovered it in the second quarter to set up Locker’s TD pass a play after the turnover.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20110813010

Locker- 7/10 89 yards. 1 Sack, 1 TD

Ponder- 8/13 84 yards, 3 sacks, 0 TD

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/50withbert.gif

Rock Chalk
08-19-2011, 11:05 AM
This thread is a Courtney Brown insult away from making me go Super Saiyan.

Whatever Trunks.

Drek
08-19-2011, 11:21 AM
This thread is a Courtney Brown insult away from making me go Super Saiyan.

Shouldn't happen, I'd like to think most of this board has the class to refrain from insulting someone who's desire to play football obviously outstripped his talent and physical ability to endure a real man's game.

He's the black John Engelberger, and who doesn't love Engelberger?

TheReverend
08-19-2011, 11:23 AM
<iframe width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/SiMHTK15Pik" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

theAPAOps5
08-19-2011, 11:36 AM
Whatever Trunks.

That's what my girlfriends in college always called me.

Rother8
08-19-2011, 11:54 AM
Just to pile on rev.



:approve:



http://sports.yahoo.com/cock/recap?gid=201108****13010
;;;?
Locker- 7/10 89 yards. 1 Sack, 1 TDHa!
DjLOL:peace:
Ponder- 8/13 84 yards, 3 sacks, 0 TD
:strong::clown:34;;:/
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/4,/2/50withbert.gif:
3:4:sunshine::clown:

Chris
08-19-2011, 11:57 AM
LeRevlend

http://www.deviantart.com/download/83892678/Super_Saiyan_by_maniac086.jpg

Are we talking Son Go Tan, Go Ku or Vegeta?

24champ
08-19-2011, 12:12 PM
:
3:4:sunshine::clown:

http://menversus.com/images/bertstare.jpg

Old Dude
08-19-2011, 12:37 PM
Wow. This is surprising. Other than Miller, I would have guessed that Peterson was the best lock as an impact rookie.

Kaylore
08-19-2011, 12:43 PM
Wow. This is surprising. Other than Miller, I would have guessed that Peterson was the best lock as an impact rookie.

Especially after trading away Cromartie. That said, Ken Wisenhunt is kind of a mind games type of coach, so this could be pre-season posturing.

epicSocialism4tw
08-19-2011, 12:51 PM
...yet. ;)

Patrick Peterson remains a backup for now

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/19/patrick-peterson-remains-a-backup-for-now/

The greatest prospect of all time at any position is not dominating the league right off the bat?

I'm shocked. Ha!

Rock Chalk
08-19-2011, 12:55 PM
LeRevlend

http://www.deviantart.com/download/83892678/Super_Saiyan_by_maniac086.jpg

Are we talking Son Go Tan, Go Ku or Vegeta?

Not cool enough to be Goku, not douchey enough to be Vegeta (although probably clever enough, Vegeta was quite clever).

He fits Trunks. Weakest of the Saiyans, impetuous and always looking up to others.

Cito Pelon
08-19-2011, 01:04 PM
Especially after trading away Cromartie. That said, Ken Wisenhunt is kind of a mind games type of coach, so this could be pre-season posturing.

Coach has to play mind games with his top rookie?

HAT
08-19-2011, 01:06 PM
Do you know what a double fan is?

SoCal? Atlas?

TheReverend
08-19-2011, 01:07 PM
Not cool enough to be Goku, not douchey enough to be Vegeta (although probably clever enough, Vegeta was quite clever).

He fits Trunks. Weakest of the Saiyans, impetuous and always looking up to others.

Don't be jealous

TheReverend
08-19-2011, 01:08 PM
SoCal? Atlas?

...okay that WAS funny.

Rock Chalk
08-19-2011, 01:21 PM
Don't be jealous

lolz, jealous? Please.

At least you aint Bulma.

bowtown
08-19-2011, 01:40 PM
No.

It's, imo, the most successful defense in the NFL.

A lot of 3-4 teams run more of what really amounts to a 4-3 just with a stand up DE.

Then you have some that are more of a 5-2. Like Pittsburgh. Like what we TRIED to do by drafting Ayers to play opposite Elvis.

When you have TWO OLBs that are serious threats to the QB (like LaMarr Woodley and James Harrison), OC's CAN'T use a TE to block either. That means the OTs have to pick each up.

And what does that mean? It means EVERYONE of those enormous 3-4 DL get one on one matches inside.

As if that isn't favorable enough... with those IOL tied up one on one, you can do some REALLY straight forward blitz schemes from your MLBs right through the A-gaps and give them a sprinting path to the QB that at worst goes right over a RB.

That's why Farrior, Timmons and Foote have been successful getting to the QB. That's why it's so easy for LeBeau to dial up pressure. Etc.

And now with Orakpo and Kerrigan, Washington can do the same. And with the guys they have on the back end, they can afford to bring it.

Often.

But they won't and Hasslet will have to step down for "health reasons." Fortunately the skins have his replacement already on staff.

Inkana7
08-19-2011, 01:52 PM
But they won't and Hasslet will have to step down for "health reasons." Fortunately the skins have his replacement already on staff.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/084q1XM9dxdsE/439x.jpg

serious hops
08-19-2011, 01:58 PM
Okay, that was below the belt.

Kaylore
08-19-2011, 02:24 PM
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/084q1XM9dxdsE/439x.jpg

http://mlkshk.com/r/JJ0

underrated29
08-19-2011, 02:43 PM
Still think he is going to be a saftey. An all pro saftey, however with wilson on the team I am not too sure how he would fit there.


I bet they make him cb starter by game 1.

underrated29
08-19-2011, 02:44 PM
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/084q1XM9dxdsE/439x.jpg



What the Hell!??

Is that bob blowsdick?




Shanny brought him in with the skins?

Inkana7
08-19-2011, 02:47 PM
What the Hell!??

Is that bob blowsdick?




Shanny brought him in with the skins?

He is their DB coach.

Man-Goblin
08-19-2011, 02:57 PM
What the Hell!??

Is that bob blowsdick?




Shanny brought him in with the skins?

Goat photos...

UberBroncoMan
08-19-2011, 03:18 PM
LeRevlend

http://www.deviantart.com/download/83892678/Super_Saiyan_by_maniac086.jpg

Are we talking Son Go Tan, Go Ku or Vegeta?

Dude looks more like young adult Gohan.

bronco0608
08-19-2011, 06:19 PM
But, but he is the greatest prospect ever! 2nd team?

This.

Would.

Be.

Hilarious.

DENVERDUI55
08-19-2011, 07:03 PM
I'm guessing he is typical SEC primadonna and wiz is showing his authority.

Captain 'Dre
08-20-2011, 11:20 AM
Trunks. That's what my girlfriends in college always called me.

'Cause you wore them to hide your small penis? Ha!

Don't be settin' folks up with a straight line like THAT, man! Ha!

BowlenBall
08-20-2011, 11:41 AM
Patrick Peterson had an extremely low Wonderlic score (9) -- anything below a 10 is considered functionally illiterate. That, combined with the lockout, probably means he's struggling right now to learn the playbook.

Just another reason why Von Miller was probably the better pick at #2 this year.

TheReverend
08-20-2011, 11:49 AM
Patrick Peterson had an extremely low Wonderlic score (9) -- anything below a 10 is considered functionally illiterate. That, combined with the lockout, probably means he's struggling right now to learn the playbook.

Just another reason why Von Miller was probably the better pick at #2 this year.

Maybe.

...Or it could be a reflection of getting more snaps playing with the first team nickel and 2nd team base along with how Wiz has brought rookies along throughout his career...

BowlenBall
08-20-2011, 12:04 PM
Maybe.

...Or it could be a reflection of getting more snaps playing with the first team nickel and 2nd team base along with how Wiz has brought rookies along throughout his career...

That too -- but if you've seen a full Wonderlic test, then you'd know how truly stupid you have to be to score a 9 (especially when you've got millions of $$$ riding on the results).

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to play corner in the NFL, but if you blow enough assignments, your ass WILL be riding the bench.

Cito Pelon
08-20-2011, 12:22 PM
Well, I guess PP's one tackle, one punt return for two yds, one TD allowed was a learning experience.

TheReverend
08-20-2011, 12:31 PM
That too -- but if you've seen a full Wonderlic test, then you'd know how truly stupid you have to be to score a 9 (especially when you've got millions of $$$ riding on the results).

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to play corner in the NFL, but if you blow enough assignments, your ass WILL be riding the bench.

I agree that its more of a "are you retarded?" test.

Rod Woodson wrote C for every question.

tsiguy96
08-20-2011, 03:03 PM
watching cardinals/packers game, peterson got beat by jennings for a TD. great, great timing between rodgers and jennings to be fair, jennings didnt even turn around until the ball was right there, peterson was playing man and didnt see rodgers throw til it was too late.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d82198258/Cardinals-vs-Packers-Highlights

last play

TheReverend
08-20-2011, 03:11 PM
watching cardinals/packers game, peterson got beat by jennings for a TD. great, great timing between rodgers and jennings to be fair, jennings didnt even turn around until the ball was right there, peterson was playing man and didnt see rodgers throw til it was too late.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d82198258/Cardinals-vs-Packers-Highlights

last play

Yup that was a BEAUTIFUL throw and catch. He could've played it better but Rodgers to Jennings as rookie coming off a lockout I'm not gonna get too down on.

Did you see Fitz's catch? Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun me that was beautiful.

Captain 'Dre
08-20-2011, 03:50 PM
Patrick Peterson had an extremely low Wonderlic score (9) -- anything below a 10 is considered functionally illiterate. That, combined with the lockout, probably means he's struggling right now to learn the playbook.

Just another reason why Von Miller was probably the better pick at #2 this year.

Better than Marcel Darius?

Darius probably would've been injured by now anyway! ugh!~

jhat01
08-20-2011, 04:02 PM
Yup that was a BEAUTIFUL throw and catch. He could've played it better but Rodgers to Jennings as rookie coming off a lockout I'm not gonna get too down on.

Did you see Fitz's catch? Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun me that was beautiful.

Yeah that catch was sick...I was like "How'd he get his arm under there?" Crazy catch!

TheReverend
08-20-2011, 04:04 PM
Yeah that catch was sick...I was like "How'd he get his arm under there?" Crazy catch!

Catching a football thrown that hard with just your bicep and forearm mid-air is something I don't expect to see again in my lifetime.

Shame it was in the pre-season :/

ozomulsion
08-20-2011, 04:45 PM
Better than Marcel Darius?

Darius probably would've been injured by now anyway! ugh!~

I'm glad we drafted Miller, but Darius looked really good when I caught a few plays of their game the other day.

Aftermath
08-20-2011, 06:37 PM
Miller was the best pick we could have made imho.

LRtagger
08-29-2011, 08:09 AM
Surprised Rev didnt bump this.

DENVERDUI55
08-29-2011, 10:04 AM
Surprised Rev didnt bump this.

Well outside of the pick 6 he was repeatedly burnt left and right and looked lost in coverage.

Conklin
09-11-2011, 05:00 PM
suck or not...he just had an 89 yard punt return for a TD

TheReverend
09-11-2011, 05:05 PM
suck or not...he just had an 89 yard punt return for a TD

"Or not" is the correct answer Ha!

Man-Goblin
09-11-2011, 05:05 PM
suck or not...he just had an 89 yard punt return for a TD

Okay. Finally. Let's just skip the 5 year rule and put him in the HOF now.

broncosteven
09-11-2011, 05:07 PM
Okay. Finally. Let's just skip the 5 year rule and put him in the HOF now.

Can we put Luck in too while we are at it?

Conklin
09-11-2011, 05:08 PM
Can we put Luck in too while we are at it?

cant cuz he's gon get drafted by KC and will never amount to anything with hof'ers dumervil and miller constantly rushing him

epicSocialism4tw
09-11-2011, 06:39 PM
Can we put Luck in too while we are at it?

Lets fuse them together into a superplayer: Andrick Luckerson.

Its automatically the greatest player to play any sport + the president of the US + Godzilla.

TheReverend
09-11-2011, 06:41 PM
Lets fuse them together into a superplayer: Andrick Luckerson.

Its automatically the greatest player to play any sport + the president of the US + Godzilla.

Old joke that was never funny to begin with.

Also, see thread title...

epicSocialism4tw
09-11-2011, 06:43 PM
Old joke that was never funny to begin with.

Also, see thread title...

The thead title clearly should say: "Patrick Peterson is too good for football says Chuck Norris".

TheReverend
09-11-2011, 06:46 PM
The thead title clearly should say: "Patrick Peterson is too good for football says Chuck Norris".

Certainly more accurate.

epicSocialism4tw
09-11-2011, 06:52 PM
Certainly more accurate.

Or this...

Reporter: "Mr. Godzilla, can you comment on new Arizona back-up cornerback Patrick Peterson?"

Godzilla: "EEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH, EEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!"

Reporter: "That good? Better than Willie Middlebrooks?"

Godzilla: "EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH H"

Reporter: "Calm down, Mr. Godzilla...do you think he will be the greatest player since Andrew Luck?"

Godzilla: "EEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH. EEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH."

Rock Chalk
09-11-2011, 08:11 PM
Certainly more accurate.

I dont really care about this Patterson piling on **** but I am curious Rev, are you glad we drafted Miller or would you still rather have had Patterson?

tsiguy96
09-11-2011, 08:16 PM
peterson also got burned by steve smith repeatedly, from what i read about the game. we didnt get it here so im gonna watch highlights tomorrow.

Rock Chalk
09-11-2011, 08:18 PM
Peterson? I thought it was Patterson? Whatever, that corner Rev coveted.

peacepipe
09-11-2011, 08:22 PM
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011091109/2011/REG1/panthers@cardinals#menu=highlights&tab=recap

broncocalijohn
09-11-2011, 08:27 PM
I dont really care about this Patterson piling on **** but I am curious Rev, are you glad we drafted Miller or would you still rather have had Patterson?

He is waiting for tomorrow and it will be hard for him to defend his feeling that Peterson was the better choice. At least I hope we see this conclusion starting Monday Night.

TheReverend
09-11-2011, 08:42 PM
peterson also got burned by steve smith repeatedly, from what i read about the game. we didnt get it here so im gonna watch highlights tomorrow.

Repeatedly? That's ridiculous. Steve burnt Kerry Rhodes (CB blitz underneath) for the long TD, but he did get Peterson on the 2nd. Good position and coverage on him, but a really good throw by Cam. Kinda made up for it with his own 89 yard TD...


Kolb said “anybody else fair catches that thing.”

“That just shows you the confidence that he has in himself and how tough of a kid he is,” Kolb said. “He’s going to be a major weapon for us.”

Peterson acknowledges he has a lot to learn about the intricacies of playing cornerback in the NFL. As a punt returner, though, he’s a natural.

“With me being a defensive back, I barely have a chance to get my hands on the ball,” Peterson said. “That’s why I love punt returns to much.”

TheReverend
09-11-2011, 08:45 PM
I dont really care about this Patterson piling on **** but I am curious Rev, are you glad we drafted Miller or would you still rather have had Patterson?

Now? Sure I still want Peterson. Miller looks good and it looks like they have a smart plan to utilize him, but I don't see it being nearly as good a move.

STILL hope I'm wrong... but 2 D/ST TDs later...

He is waiting for tomorrow and it will be hard for him to defend his feeling that Peterson was the better choice. At least I hope we see this conclusion starting Monday Night.

I'm not waiting for ****. Why would you feel the need to answer for me when you're well aware that I despise and pity you?

For the tenth time, stop ****ing stalking me. You're creepy.

epicSocialism4tw
09-11-2011, 08:50 PM
Repeatedly? That's ridiculous. Steve burnt Kerry Rhodes (CB blitz underneath) for the long TD, but he did get Peterson on the 2nd. Good position and coverage on him, but a really good throw by Cam. Kinda made up for it with his own 89 yard TD...


Kolb said “anybody else fair catches that thing.”

“That just shows you the confidence that he has in himself and how tough of a kid he is,” Kolb said. “He’s going to be a major weapon for us.”

Peterson acknowledges he has a lot to learn about the intricacies of playing cornerback in the NFL. As a punt returner, though, he’s a natural.

“With me being a defensive back, I barely have a chance to get my hands on the ball,” Peterson said. “That’s why I love punt returns to much.”

Well, I'm pleased with both the premise of drafting a pass rush monster over a punt returner, and I'll be even more pleased by the execution of that idea as the season rolls on.

By the end of this season, its going to be pretty hard to say that Von wasnt the best player out of this draft.

NUB
09-11-2011, 08:51 PM
Peterson pretty much won Arizona the game there. The TD Smith had on him was a well thrown ball; Peterson just grazed it with his own outreached hand. He did alright for a rookie cornerback considering Steve Smith is a route running monster.

TheReverend
09-11-2011, 08:53 PM
Well, I'm pleased with both the premise of drafting a pass rush monster over a punt returner, and I'll be even more pleased by the execution of that idea as the season rolls on.

By the end of this season, its going to be pretty hard to say that Von wasnt the best player out of this draft.

I understand where you're coming from and hope you're right. But in some ways it can cost us forcing to scheme aggressively to utilize his strengths.

Time will tell. Let's hope for a several sack night and a score for him too.

epicSocialism4tw
09-11-2011, 08:59 PM
I understand where you're coming from and hope you're right. But in some ways it can cost us forcing to scheme aggressively to utilize his strengths.

Time will tell. Let's hope for a several sack night and a score for him too.

I love that we may have to scheme aggressively. It also fits what Allen does.

Players like Von don't come along very often.

TheReverend
09-11-2011, 09:01 PM
I love that we may have to scheme aggressively. It also fits what Allen does.

Players like Von don't come along very often.

...neither does Peterson.

I'd love to have them both, but today? Yeah, I'd still take Peterson 10/10 times.

epicSocialism4tw
09-11-2011, 09:06 PM
...neither does Peterson.

I'd love to have them both, but today? Yeah, I'd still take Peterson 10/10 times.

Crazy.

I'd take Lawrence Taylor over Champ Bailey every Sunday.

TheReverend
09-11-2011, 09:06 PM
Crazy.

I'd take Lawrence Taylor over Champ Bailey every Sunday.

Me too.

But I'd take Deion over LT.

Conklin
09-11-2011, 09:09 PM
Me too.

But I'd take Deion over LT.

I'd take an inflatable lobster over you and your wisdom

epicSocialism4tw
09-11-2011, 09:13 PM
Me too.

But I'd take Deion over LT.

No way man. I chose Champ because Champ plays the run game too. Punt returning is a peripheral need. Its good for sportscenter, but having a game changing impact in that area is out of your control much of the time.

Lawrence Taylor struck fear into the hearts of QB's. Not the kind of "man, I don't want to throw a pick" fear, but the "this guy hurts people, and he is going to hit me several times today" fear.

TheReverend
09-11-2011, 09:13 PM
I'd take an inflatable lobster over you and your wisdom

Glad you chimed in.

broncocalijohn
09-11-2011, 09:14 PM
Now? Sure I still want Peterson. Miller looks good and it looks like they have a smart plan to utilize him, but I don't see it being nearly as good a move.

STILL hope I'm wrong... but 2 D/ST TDs later...



I'm not waiting for ****. Why would you feel the need to answer for me when you're well aware that I despise and pity you?

For the tenth time, stop ****ing stalking me. You're creepy.

Then I hope Von Miller is so much better choice than getting Peterson. I would figure a normal fan of the Broncos would look at our #1 pick and agree that the team made the correct choice. Hell I wanted a DE/DT. But we know who you are and being correct first to boost your ego is what is more important.
As for stalking, don't go on a message board. Obviously, it never bothers you or you wouldn't post. Take it or leave it. My day at the Mane is not to see what Rev is up to and what is his opinion. No need to pity me. I don't ask for it but if you are offering some cash, I do accept paypal and cash.

TheReverend
09-11-2011, 09:17 PM
No way man. I chose Champ because Champ plays the run game too. Punt returning is a peripheral need. Its good for sportscenter, but having a game changing impact in that area is out of your control much of the time.

Lawrence Taylor struck fear into the hearts of QB's. Not the kind of "man, I don't want to throw a pick" fear, but the "this guy hurts people, and he is going to hit me several times today" fear.

Champ's way better on his worst day than Deions best ever in terms of run support. For sure.

But 2005/2006 were the only years that Champ had the on field impact that Deion had every year.

Bailey's top 5 all time and a first ballot Hall of Famer... but he's not prime time.

I'm definitely not trying to devalue LT by preferring Deion either. Clearly he revolutionized the position.

TheReverend
09-11-2011, 09:18 PM
Then I hope Von Miller is so much better choice than getting Peterson. I would figure a normal fan of the Broncos would look at our #1 pick and agree that the team made the correct choice. Hell I wanted a DE/DT. But we know who you are and being correct first to boost your ego is what is more important.
As for stalking, don't go on a message board. Obviously, it never bothers you or you wouldn't post. Take it or leave it. My day at the Mane is not to see what Rev is up to and what is his opinion. No need to pity me. I don't ask for it but if you are offering some cash, I do accept paypal and cash.

Based on?

I'm not saying we made a BAD choice. I was asked who I prefer now, and I answered the ****ing question.

2 TDs and great ST and Defensive play over the past few weeks.

epicSocialism4tw
09-11-2011, 09:19 PM
Champ's way better on his worst day than Deions best ever in terms of run support. For sure.

But 2005/2006 were the only years that Champ had the on field impact that Deion had every year.

Bailey's top 5 all time and a first ballot Hall of Famer... but he's not prime time.

I'm definitely not trying to devalue LT by preferring Deion either. Clearly he revolutionized the position.

The truth of the matter stands that the 2011 Denver Broncos needed a Lawrence Taylor much more than they needed another Champ Bailey.

broncocalijohn
09-11-2011, 09:22 PM
Based on?

I'm not saying we made a BAD choice. I was asked who I prefer now, and I answered the ****ing question.

2 TDs and great ST and Defensive play over the past few weeks.

And why I stated in the previous post that after tomorrow you would say we made the correct choice. This is something I don't want to be correct on when we should have got a DE/DT. I want Miller to be such a beast that I can admit that the Broncos FO made the correct choice. That is why I answered for you. I would hope how I feel is how you would feel. That our personal opinion on the first draft pick was wrong or at least not correct and Broncos made a great pick.

TheReverend
09-11-2011, 09:23 PM
The truth of the matter stands that the 2011 Denver Broncos needed a Lawrence Taylor much more than they needed another Champ Bailey.

Perhaps.

I see nickel downs where Goodman and Vaughn are playing the outside and I vehemently disagree. Especially when we're one injury away from serious bertstares.

Hopeful that he can get in that backfield fast enough and can properly handle the run when people run at him when he's lined up at DE in spread packages.

TheReverend
09-11-2011, 09:24 PM
And why I stated in the previous post that after tomorrow you would say we made the correct choice. This is something I don't want to be correct on when we should have got a DE/DT. I want Miller to be such a beast that I can admit that the Broncos FO made the correct choice. That is why I answered for you. I would hope how I feel is how you would feel. That our personal opinion on the first draft pick was wrong or at least not correct and Broncos made a great pick.

I've only said this 100 goddamn times...

I understand where you're coming from and hope you're right. But in some ways it can cost us forcing to scheme aggressively to utilize his strengths.

Time will tell. Let's hope for a several sack night and a score for him too.

broncocalijohn
09-11-2011, 09:28 PM
^ I guess I am not stalking you enough then if I missed much of that opinion.

epicSocialism4tw
09-11-2011, 09:28 PM
Perhaps.

I see nickel downs where Goodman and Vaughn are playing the outside and I vehemently disagree. Especially when we're one injury away from serious bertstares.

That explains the Broncos at every position except for QB and WR.

This has to be the thinnest team in the league.

TheReverend
09-11-2011, 09:30 PM
^ I guess I am not stalking you enough then if I missed much of that opinion.

Yeah, I mean, reading the thread before you comment on someone's "opinion" and make accusations about them is way too much to ask.

That explains the Broncos at every position except for QB and WR.

This has to be the thinnest team in the league.

I agree. That's why I felt it would be in our best interest to solidify one of the most important positions on the field for the next decade instead of inventing new ones.

...and Revis just wins the game for the Jets with a monster pick.

Chris
09-11-2011, 09:37 PM
...and Revis just wins the game for the Jets with a monster pick.

After Romo is pressured out of the pocket.

broncocalijohn
09-11-2011, 09:44 PM
After Romo is pressured out of the pocket.

Still a dumb throw. Roll out and throw off balance. Who does he think he is?

Conklin
09-11-2011, 09:48 PM
Glad you chimed in.

http://i55.tinypic.com/2uqdaf4.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/2aj8gi.jpg

TheReverend
09-11-2011, 09:53 PM
[IMG]http://i55.tinypic.com/2uqdaf4.jpg[IMG]
[IMG]http://i56.tinypic.com/2aj8gi.jpg[IMG]

Okay, THAT was funny.

Still choke on a dick though

underrated29
09-11-2011, 09:58 PM
I understand where you're coming from and hope you're right. But in some ways it can cost us forcing to scheme aggressively to utilize his strengths.

Time will tell. Let's hope for a several sack night and a score for him too.



Eh, dont worry. We will be taking our Stud CB in the first round next year. Forget the guys name, talipman or something, things will change, but for now he looks like the goods.

TheReverend
09-11-2011, 10:01 PM
Eh, dont worry. We will be taking our Stud CB in the first round next year. Forget the guys name, talipman or something, things will change, but for now he looks like the goods.

....I'm pretty sure no one's name is close to Talipman?

Kirkpatrick? Clairborn? Jenkins? Minnifield? Harris? Dennard?

Finger Roll
09-11-2011, 10:05 PM
I'd much rather have a great pass rusher over a great cover guy. That's why I was thrilled with the pick on draft day.

TheReverend
09-11-2011, 10:07 PM
After Romo is pressured out of the pocket.

Wanted to see a replay before commenting.

No way pressure can be referenced in regards to that throw or even him leaving the pocket...

underrated29
09-11-2011, 10:08 PM
....I'm pretty sure no one's name is close to Talipman?

Kirkpatrick? Clairborn? Jenkins? Minnifield? Harris? Dennard?



SAMSONITE!!!

I was way off.



I think I will go with column A, please.

maven
09-11-2011, 10:09 PM
I'd much rather have a great pass rusher over a great cover guy.

Every team would.

*WARHORSE*
09-11-2011, 10:11 PM
Miller was the right pick, over and out.


His ability to rush the passer of course makes the job of the corners much easier.

I dont think any other player in the draft could make more of an impact if they live up to their billing the way Miller can, especially since he comes into a situation where hes matched up with the NFL sack leader from a year ago.

He has a mentor, and did anyone notice the Doom move he put on the Seattle RT when he sacked Jackson for the second time?

Two hands in the chest, leveraging the RT, lifting and pushing him right into the backfield where he promptly shed him and dropped Tavaris.

He did it so beautifully it was hard to believe hes a rookie. His speed is going to set that move up ALL YEAR LONG.

Even the best OTs are going to struggle with this kid as he puts it together and continues to grow.

My opinion of course, but Im puttin my dollar on it.

That goes with a quick first step/speed rush to blow past OTs, and a stutter step move in which Ive seen him a few times step inside the OT and sack the QB without even being touched.

Im glad to hear hes a student of the game, and that he understands he hasnt arrived yet, deferring to his veteran teamates.

The Blue Von Doom.


.............on a sidenote........if we cant stop the run...............wont matter.

epicSocialism4tw
09-11-2011, 10:51 PM
Miller was the right pick, over and out.


His ability to rush the passer of course makes the job of the corners much easier.

I dont think any other player in the draft could make more of an impact if they live up to their billing the way Miller can, especially since he comes into a situation where hes matched up with the NFL sack leader from a year ago.

He has a mentor, and did anyone notice the Doom move he put on the Seattle RT when he sacked Jackson for the second time?

Two hands in the chest, leveraging the RT, lifting and pushing him right into the backfield where he promptly shed him and dropped Tavaris.

He did it so beautifully it was hard to believe hes a rookie. His speed is going to set that move up ALL YEAR LONG.

Even the best OTs are going to struggle with this kid as he puts it together and continues to grow.

My opinion of course, but Im puttin my dollar on it.

That goes with a quick first step/speed rush to blow past OTs, and a stutter step move in which Ive seen him a few times step inside the OT and sack the QB without even being touched.

Im glad to hear hes a student of the game, and that he understands he hasnt arrived yet, deferring to his veteran teamates.

The Blue Von Doom.

Von is an exciting player. 3 sacks in 3 preseason games, and that doesn't even tell the story. The guy was in the backfield all the time.

.............on a sidenote........if we cant stop the run...............wont matter.

We'll get our DT and/or MLB next season.

Rock Chalk
09-12-2011, 06:35 AM
Now? Sure I still want Peterson. Miller looks good and it looks like they have a smart plan to utilize him, but I don't see it being nearly as good a move.

STILL hope I'm wrong... but 2 D/ST TDs later...



I'm not waiting for ****. Why would you feel the need to answer for me when you're well aware that I despise and pity you?

For the tenth time, stop ****ing stalking me. You're creepy.

If Miller ends up with 15 sacks on the season, it will easily be the best Denver draft pick since, hell since Al Wilson.

randomtask
09-12-2011, 07:06 AM
If Miller ends up with 15 sacks on the season, it will easily be the best Denver draft pick since, hell since Al Wilson.

Better than Clady?

Rock Chalk
09-12-2011, 07:15 AM
Better than Clady?

I was thinking defensive draft picks. Now that I think about it, might be hard for him to pass up Dumervil either.

TheReverend
09-12-2011, 07:42 AM
If Miller ends up with 15 sacks on the season, it will easily be the best Denver draft pick since, hell since Al Wilson.

I think 15 sacks, while within his talent range, is an ungodly expectation to have for a rookie that won't even rush every passing down.

I think 6 is a good season for him and 10+ will still be realistic and be fantastic.

Rock Chalk
09-12-2011, 07:45 AM
I think 15 sacks, while within his talent range, is an ungodly expectation to have for a rookie that won't even rush every passing down.

I think 6 is a good season for him and 10+ will still be realistic and be fantastic.

Oh Im not expecting 15 dude. I said if, and IF that did happen I think you gotta definitely put him up there with Dumervil and Wilson as best Draft defensive draft picks in the FA era and maybe even best draft pick in FA era (for Denver).

I do think he will get more than 6 though, IM thinking 8-10 is probably where he ends up.

TheReverend
09-12-2011, 08:05 AM
Oh Im not expecting 15 dude. I said if, and IF that did happen I think you gotta definitely put him up there with Dumervil and Wilson as best Draft defensive draft picks in the FA era and maybe even best draft pick in FA era (for Denver).

I do think he will get more than 6 though, IM thinking 8-10 is probably where he ends up.

That's probably right where I think he ends up too. I'm just saying I think 6 will still be a "good" rookie outing for him, though he'll most likely get crapped on for it if he does :/

Kaylore
09-12-2011, 08:54 AM
That's probably right where I think he ends up too. I'm just saying I think 6 will still be a "good" rookie outing for him, though he'll most likely get crapped on for it if he does :/

This is a universal truth. Unless he has a Clady-like year, members of this board will say he's a bust.

TheReverend
09-12-2011, 08:55 AM
This is a universal truth. Unless he has a Clady-like year, members of this board will say he's a bust.

I'm not so sure. This board also has a LOT of odd justification for really poor performance too.

I guess it'll be a coin flip. I think in case of poor play, his way-cool glasses push him into "odd justification" category.

Rock Chalk
09-12-2011, 08:58 AM
I'm not so sure. This board also has a LOT of odd justification for really poor performance too.

I guess it'll be a coin flip. I think in case of poor play, his way-cool glasses push him into "odd justification" category.

Actually I think his high draft status will put him in the odd justification category if he is poor. Moss got a pass for a long time by a lot of people on this board.

Mediator12
09-12-2011, 10:01 AM
Screw the board ;D I can take fans who are just ignorant, but ignorant and insistent on their wrongness not so much anymore.

Miller has the talent, just not the experience. At least they are going to play him to his strengths, and let him play unlike the other guys they have drafted. All the scheme changes have destroyed this defense as they have few scheme transcendent players and allowed even fewer mid round square pegs to stick or star in a scheme. Total freaking cluster**** on defense for the last 12 years and the total lack of talent has suffered tremendously.

Oh, and Mauluga was average at best versus CLE yesterday playing his natural position :poke:

TheReverend
09-12-2011, 10:18 AM
Screw the board ;D I can take fans who are just ignorant, but ignorant and insistent on their wrongness not so much anymore.

I think my favorite part is people getting mad for answering a question that was directly asked because it isn't the answer they want to hear...

Miller has the talent, just not the experience. At least they are going to play him to his strengths, and let him play unlike the other guys they have drafted. All the scheme changes have destroyed this defense as they have few scheme transcendent players and allowed even fewer mid round square pegs to stick or star in a scheme. Total freaking cluster**** on defense for the last 12 years and the total lack of talent has suffered tremendously.

Bold is the part that grates on me the most. Especially after the inactivity of the off-season...

Oh, and Mauluga was average at best versus CLE yesterday playing his natural position :poke:

Pffft... can't even spell his name right. How hard is it to properly spell Samoan names... I mean c'mon!

And they won, so credit has to fall somewhere other than Dalton.

And he held the world greatest RB of all time to 3 ypc.

/sarcasm

Traveler
09-12-2011, 10:22 AM
Oh, and Mauluga was average at best versus CLE yesterday playing his natural position :poke:

Didn't see that game, but I'm guessing when Denver made the trade with SEA in 2009, many of the people on this board were thinking Rey was the guy the team was going to select.

Hindsight being 20/20, I wish Maualuga was the guy they did select. At least he's contributing to the team that drafted him.

Mediator12
09-12-2011, 10:44 AM
I think my favorite part is people getting mad for answering a question that was directly asked because it isn't the answer they want to hear...



Bold is the part that grates on me the most. Especially after the inactivity of the off-season...



Pffft... can't even spell his name right. How hard is it to properly spell Samoan names... I mean c'mon!

And they won, so credit has to fall somewhere other than Dalton.

And he held the world greatest RB of all time to 3 ypc.

/sarcasm

The win/loss argument ;D Damn you are slippin'.

Dalton was actually knocked out of the game, and wait, hold it, Gradkowski actually engineered the comeback ;D CLE handed CIN that game. They were the first game I watched today and CLE killed them on the field, but had so many mistakes they lost the game. My Personal favorite was Greg Little so intent on laying wood on the CIN punter that he actually "tackled" Cribbs when he would have turned the corner and most definitely would have scored the TD that would have sunk the Bengals. He totally cost them a win with that one play!

Yet, they still came back and gave up three more boneheaded plays to allow CIN to score the game winning points! Two blown coverages, and gap disclipline nighmare on their final TD on third and two in an obvious running play. STUPID loses you games in the first week!

I really wanted to see Maualuga play his natural position too. He was OK in the run game, but boy did they expolit him trying to cover the middle of the field. Finally they just blitzed him more, but he never even got close.

Cushing OTOH is going to procuce big time for HOU. They are letting him run more free than Ryans.

TheReverend
09-12-2011, 10:57 AM
The win/loss argument ;D Damn you are slippin'.

Dalton was actually knocked out of the game, and wait, hold it, Gradkowski actually engineered the comeback ;D CLE handed CIN that game. They were the first game I watched today and CLE killed them on the field, but had so many mistakes they lost the game. My Personal favorite was Greg Little so intent on laying wood on the CIN punter that he actually "tackled" Cribbs when he would have turned the corner and most definitely would have scored the TD that would have sunk the Bengals. He totally cost them a win with that one play!

Yet, they still came back and gave up three more boneheaded plays to allow CIN to score the game winning points! Two blown coverages, and gap disclipline nighmare on their final TD on third and two in an obvious running play. STUPID loses you games in the first week!

I really wanted to see Maualuga play his natural position too. He was OK in the run game, but boy did they expolit him trying to cover the middle of the field. Finally they just blitzed him more, but he never even got close.

Cushing OTOH is going to procuce big time for HOU. They are letting him run more free than Ryans.

Hence the /sarcasm.

I haven't gotten to see more than 10 mins of their game so I'm not going to pretend I have, but I'm comfortable with Rey growing into the middle just fine.

I'm a little surprised that you said he was poor against the pass in the middle of the field. Last year he really excelled (from what was expected, at least) in coverage at Sam and disspelled all the myths of him not being a 3 down player.

And not surprised by Cushing running free. He's just better in space than Demeco.

...Are you walking okay after that ass raping yesterday, by the way? ;)

bronco militia
09-12-2011, 11:02 AM
This is a universal truth. Unless he has a Clady-like year, members of this board will say he's a bust.

you mean like this guy?

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2010/0611/20100611__Broncos-Cowboys~p1.jpg

~Crash~
09-12-2011, 11:13 AM
I was thinking defensive draft picks. Now that I think about it, might be hard for him to pass up Dumervil either.

I hate to say it but you are right with Wilson who was our leader and our reason for being damn good years even with suspect DL. . I could see miller with a Wilson type of impact.

~Crash~
09-12-2011, 11:14 AM
god I think I will take a shower I now feel dirty.

Dedhed
09-12-2011, 11:16 AM
Hindsight being 20/20, I wish Maualuga was the guy they did select. At least he's contributing to the team that drafted him.

Ayers is a starter in Denver, btw. I would consider that contributing to the team that drafted him.

Traveler
09-12-2011, 11:25 AM
Ayers is a starter in Denver, btw. I would consider that contributing to the team that drafted him.

No arguement there. I was referring to Alphonso Smith not being a part of the team, if you didn't already know to whom I referencing.

TheReverend
09-12-2011, 11:46 AM
Ayers is a starter in Denver, btw. I would consider that contributing to the team that drafted him.

Wrong pick.

Dedhed
09-12-2011, 12:04 PM
No arguement there. I was referring to Alphonso Smith not being a part of the team, if you didn't already know to whom I referencing.
My bad. I forgot Ray was still on the board when we took smith.

ozomulsion
09-12-2011, 04:27 PM
I'm not so sure. This board also has a LOT of odd justification for really poor performance too.

I guess it'll be a coin flip. I think in case of poor play, his way-cool glasses push him into "odd justification" category.

You're a good one to comment on Kaylor's post. It's time for K Moreno to get out there and prove he's the below average back you've informed he is. Bunch of idiots on here think he was pretty good to get nearly a grand in McD's system. :thumbsup:

TheReverend
09-12-2011, 04:32 PM
You're a good one to comment on Kaylor's post. It's time for K Moreno to get out there and prove he's the below average back you've informed he is. Bunch of idiots on here think he was pretty good to get nearly a grand in McD's system. :thumbsup:

Well, there's something I've never actually said. Good work though.

I HAVE called him a disappointment so far.

...because that's exactly what he's been.

ozomulsion
09-12-2011, 04:48 PM
Well, there's something I've never actually said. Good work though.

I HAVE called him a disappointment so far.

...because that's exactly what he's been.

He should've had done much better last year because we ranked high in passing. He didn't take advantage of us being able to spread the field...

That's how it goes right?

TheReverend
09-12-2011, 05:00 PM
He should've had done much better last year because we ranked high in passing. He didn't take advantage of us being able to spread the field...

That's how it goes right?

http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/16659000/ngbbs485d5e9d5e298.jpg

No...

Cito Pelon
09-12-2011, 05:01 PM
I'm not so sure. This board also has a LOT of odd justification for really poor performance too.

I guess it'll be a coin flip. I think in case of poor play, his way-cool glasses push him into "odd justification" category.

According to you, nobody on the team is worth a damn.

Cito Pelon
09-12-2011, 05:08 PM
You're an entertaining kind of weasel though, Rev.