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db56
08-16-2011, 09:34 PM
I know another Tebow thread right...

I dont know, guess I'm just frustrated because I was banking on him working his tail off and improving is "mechanics" entering camp. I realize it doesnt happen overnight and he didnt have any OTA's, but I wonder what he has been doing all summer. with his wallet and rescources, couldnt he hire a QB coach of a high caliber to help him with footwork and throwing motion.

I know he is hard worker but what the @ell has he been working on....

Popps
08-16-2011, 09:38 PM
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Garcia Bronco
08-16-2011, 09:40 PM
I am not disappointed in Tebow. He's a kid learning something different and he needs that opportunity. It was clear to me he'd be a project. I had the same hope as you, but I am not going hold it against him when there no ota's, mini-camps, and a complete lockout with a new coaching staff. It's good we have Orton.

serious hops
08-16-2011, 09:42 PM
Yes. I'm mightily disappointed that he didn't take over the war room, throw Xanders out on his ass, and get us some defensive tackles.

Agamemnon
08-16-2011, 09:43 PM
The guy went 6 of 7 for 91 yards behind a line that couldn't block Peewee Herman. I really don't get what there is to be disappointed about. Unless you thought a guy, in his second year, that didn't have an off-season to work with his coaches, was just going to be an all-pro. Of course then the problem really isn't Tebow, it's your expectations, isn't it?

Dr. Broncenstein
08-16-2011, 09:46 PM
This thread is like TGN's bat signal.

broncocalijohn
08-16-2011, 09:48 PM
I thought he would have the starting job lined up and when coaches decided to have Orton as the starter, I am assuming Tebow took a step back. Yes, I am disappointed in Tebow but have hope that Orton plays like the first 6 games of 2009 or Tebow gets his chance and shines and we don't look back.

Dagmar
08-16-2011, 09:49 PM
No. I am disappointed that we didn't get a DT like Mebane or Okoye and that we didn't trade Orton and get the whole organization behind Tebow.

maher_tyler
08-16-2011, 09:51 PM
After watching him in the preseason game, it seemed like he was indecisive. As much as its going to suck, its probably best that Orton start and Tim come in on special packages and goal line situations. After watching him play, it obvious he is not ready to be the starter. Hopefully that changes in time.

yerner
08-16-2011, 09:52 PM
Book tours and tire hammering don't get you better at throwing a football?

MacGruder
08-16-2011, 09:54 PM
The Broncos have no one to blame but their self for Tebow developing slowly.. maybe even taking steps back..

The Broncos tried to have their cake and eat it too.. supposedly playing to "win now" last season and they wasted what could have been a year of development on Fool's gold Orton.

Look at Colt McCoy.. he got to play much of last season and probably got a lot more reps.. had help from other QBs on his team and had an experienced coach who built a system around him perfect for his skill set. McCoy's coach wanted to draft Tebow and even said Tebow may not even need to change his throwing motion.

Now this season they even want to do the same thing playing Orton again with the delusional belief the team can do something with him at QB...

If Tebow was playing in Cleveland he could be ahead of Colt by now..

I also think it is a myth that sitting a QB makes them better.. unless they happen to be in the incredibly ideal situation Aaron Rodgers was in where he could watch a hall of famer in a system that fit both of them perfectly.. That sure isn't Orton..

Tebow needs to play to develop the things he needs to learn.. and his game is so instinctual sitting hm even hurts that aspect.

Agamemnon
08-16-2011, 09:58 PM
No. I am disappointed that we didn't get a DT like Mebane or Okoye and that we didn't trade Orton and get the whole organization behind Tebow.

Now that's disappointment I understand.

strafen
08-16-2011, 10:00 PM
Tebow will be the starting QB by week 11...

Agamemnon
08-16-2011, 10:00 PM
After watching him in the preseason game, it seemed like he was indecisive. As much as its going to suck, its probably best that Orton start and Tim come in on special packages and goal line situations. After watching him play, it obvious he is not ready to be the starter. Hopefully that changes in time.

6 of 7 for 91 yards. No running game. No protection. No open receivers on many plays.

I really want to know what you guys expected out of the guy. None of this makes any sense to me.

broncocalijohn
08-16-2011, 10:04 PM
MacGruder, there was no way he was starting last season from the get-go. The only problem was that McDumbass didnt play him past the first game with many chances to get him the experience that was needed during blowout games (KC win and Raiders loss). Last 3 games was a no brainer but he could have had more experience with baby steps when there was no pressure on him.

DarkHorse30
08-16-2011, 10:05 PM
No. Nobody expected him to be "ready" by his 2nd year so why should I? He was hurt by the lockout, but what he needs more is playing time. I'd like to see him start the 3rd week of pre-season. How else will we find out if he is getting ready to run the ship?

Rother8
08-16-2011, 10:08 PM
6 of 7 for 91 yards. No running game. No protection. No open receivers on many plays.

I really want to know what you guys expected out of the guy. None of this makes any sense to me.

Agreed. Let's see some more TT action, hopefully TT first string action before putting the jury out.

Meck77
08-16-2011, 10:10 PM
I remember when Taco was disappointed that Jake Plummer led us to the AFC Championship game.

He's probably give his left nut to get back to those days. Just sayin....

Tebow's a young buck. He'll improve.

db56
08-16-2011, 10:12 PM
dont get me wrong, I like the guy and want him to succeed and yes he did a good job in the preseason game but that doesnt seem to be getting him any closer to putting Orton in the rear view does it?

I know he needs time to develop and I didnt expect him to be a QB juggs machine but with his work ethic, I'm just a little dissapointed that he isnt further along.

Garcia Bronco
08-16-2011, 10:14 PM
After watching him in the preseason game, it seemed like he was indecisive. As much as its going to suck, its probably best that Orton start and Tim come in on special packages and goal line situations. After watching him play, it obvious he is not ready to be the starter. Hopefully that changes in time.

Agreed. He was erratic and all over the place and made a number of poor choices. On one play he made the entire offense look like keystone cops including an illegal forward pass.

He just needs time. The two best QB's in the league spent 3 years on the bench.

Garcia Bronco
08-16-2011, 10:15 PM
dont get me wrong, I like the guy and want him to succeed and yes he did a good job in the preseason game but that doesnt seem to be getting him any closer to putting Orton in the rear view does it?

I'm know he needs time to develop and I didnt expect him to be a QB juggs machine but I with his work ethic, I'm just a little dissapointed that he isnt further along.

Every problem is an opportunity in disguise.

Archer81
08-16-2011, 10:17 PM
No. I expect young quarterbacks to struggle and make boneheaded decisions. Its part of their development. What frustrates me is going with the guy with a single year left on his contract with a limited ceiling instead of trying to grow the entire team from the ground up. Is a possible 8-8 season worth setting back the team a year simply because you want to "win now" with the worst AFC team in the league? It makes no sense.

:Broncos:

TailgateNut
08-16-2011, 10:19 PM
Waaaaaaaah!

broncolife
08-16-2011, 10:19 PM
I might be disappointed if he went out and threw 3 ints like some other bronco qb did in his first preseason game as a bronco.

Gort
08-16-2011, 10:19 PM
MacGruder, there was no way he was starting last season from the get-go. The only problem was that McDumbass didnt play him past the first game with many chances to get him the experience that was needed during blowout games (KC win and Raiders loss). Last 3 games was a no brainer but he could have had more experience with baby steps when there was no pressure on him.

actually, we've only seen 6 quarters of Tebow. that Oakland game and the first half of the Houston game, Studesville "reigned in" Tebow and they called very basic, vanilla, Orton-like playcalls. it wasn't until the Houston game looked to be out of reach that apparently somebody prevailed on Studesville during halftime to "release the Tebow!". and he did. and there was much rejoicing(*). amen.

* = except at TGN's tailgate

Garcia Bronco
08-16-2011, 10:21 PM
No. I expect young quarterbacks to struggle and make boneheaded decisions. Its part of their development. What frustrates me is going with the guy with a single year left on his contract with a limited ceiling instead of trying to grow the entire team from the ground up. Is a possible 8-8 season worth setting back the team a year simply because you want to "win now" with the worst AFC team in the league? It makes no sense.

:Broncos:

You can't do that with Orton still on the team. You can't cut Orton or you lose the entire vet locker room. Especially when Tim can't beat him out.

"When all option seem wrong, nothing you should do."

-Yoda

:)

Archer81
08-16-2011, 10:22 PM
Waaaaaaaah!


Shhh.

http://tinyurl.com/3estfgk


:Broncos:

Garcia Bronco
08-16-2011, 10:23 PM
I might be disappointed if he went out and threw 3 ints like some other bronco qb did in his first preseason game as a bronco.

He technically threw one. Granted the receiver got knocked down in double coverage and the PI was called.

Archer81
08-16-2011, 10:24 PM
You can't do that with Orton still on the team. You can't cut Orton or you lose the entire vet locker room. Especially when Tim can't beat him out.

"When all option seem wrong, nothing you should do."

-Yoda

:)


Accepting Orton as starting QB is very similar to going to the dentist for a root canal. Necessary, but painful.

:Broncos:

TailgateNut
08-16-2011, 10:24 PM
actually, we've only seen 6 quarters of Tebow. that Oakland game and the first half of the Houston game, Studesville "reigned in" Tebow and they called very basic, vanilla, Orton-like playcalls. it wasn't until the Houston game looked to be out of reach that apparently somebody prevailed on Studesville during halftime to "release the Tebow!". and he did. and there was much rejoicing(*). amen.

* = except at TGN's tailgate


I love how you snuck that into your paragraph of excuses. It's so much fun toying with all the Tebonites. !Booya!

Agamemnon
08-16-2011, 10:25 PM
dont get me wrong, I like the guy and him to succeed and yes he did a good job in the preseason game but that doesnt seem to be getting him any closer to putting Orton in the rear view does it?

I'm know he needs time to develop and I didnt expect him to be a QB juggs machine but I with his work ethic, I'm just a little dissapointed that he isnt further along.

I keep trying to explain this to people, and they just don't seem to get it. All the same I'll try again.

A 2nd year QB like Tebow, especially not having OTAs, is never going to out-practice a seven year vet like Orton (especially considering practice is all about Orton's strengths and none of Tebow's). That is an unrealistic expectation, and a ridiculous standard to measure him by (I have my doubts that Sam Bradford could outdo Orton in practice honestly). Starting Tebow was never going to be about starting the most polished pocket passer, it was going to be about looking towards the future. It seemed the FO got that when they tried to trade Orton, but now I wonder.

Disappointment over Tebow's inability to outdo Orton at what Orton is best at, especially this early in his career, is really quite absurd if you think about it.

maher_tyler
08-16-2011, 10:26 PM
6 of 7 for 91 yards. No running game. No protection. No open receivers on many plays.

I really want to know what you guys expected out of the guy. None of this makes any sense to me.

Just didn't like what I saw...he needs more time to digest the playbook imo. It was the first preseason game so things can change, we'll see.

MacGruder
08-16-2011, 10:26 PM
Agreed. He was erratic and all over the place and made a number of poor choices. On one play he made the entire offense look like keystone cops including an illegal forward pass.

He just needs time. The two best QB's in the league spent 3 years on the bench.

He was trying to make something out of nothing in that play... and the reason it looked strange is because Tebow did something he normally never does.. he avoided any kind of contact rather than just steamrolling some guys to the end zone.


This is WHY he needs to play.. because you don't change your style of play sitting on the bench getting no reps all year.

Either change the system to suit him or expect some time transitioning by getting playing time..

People are way too caught up on how Tebow looks playing.. they have been conditioned to do this by the media. Ben Roethlisberger plays like this too and no one says jack. He also has the best defense in the league to make him look good.

broncosteven
08-16-2011, 10:27 PM
I know another Tebow thread right...

I dont know, guess I'm just frustrated because I was banking on him working his tail off and improving is "mechanics" entering camp. I realize it doesnt happen overnight and he didnt have any OTA's, but I wonder what he has been doing all summer. with his wallet and rescources, couldnt he hire a QB coach of a high caliber to help him with footwork and throwing motion.

I know he is hard worker but what the @ell has he been working on....

I am hoping we get a 3 headed QB lined up at scrimage with the option of qb run, or QB Who is pocket passer and moves the ball in between the 20;s, then the BU who can do most of what all of the other 2 guys can do but is special inside rh.
Some goofy formation would be great which could be tweaked to run or pass out of.

broncocalijohn
08-16-2011, 10:28 PM
^MacGruder, you might want to see that play again. He did well avoiding the sack but then forgot where the LOS was and threw the ball a yard over it. But I know what you would say to that. Coaches and the league doesn't know how to play Tebow and they should just let him make bonehead mistakes like that.

MacGruder
08-16-2011, 10:28 PM
He technically threw one. Granted the receiver got knocked down in double coverage and the PI was called.

No.. technically he DIDN'T throw one.. lol Apparently you don't know what technically means.

Gort
08-16-2011, 10:29 PM
I love how you snuck that into your paragraph of excuses. It's so much fun toying with all the Tebonites. !Booya!

have you ever explained why you don't like Tebow?

StugotsIII
08-16-2011, 10:29 PM
I know another Tebow thread right...

I dont know, guess I'm just frustrated because I was banking on him working his tail off and improving is "mechanics" entering camp. I realize it doesnt happen overnight and he didnt have any OTA's, but I wonder what he has been doing all summer. with his wallet and rescources, couldnt he hire a QB coach of a high caliber to help him with footwork and throwing motion.

I know he is hard worker but what the @ell has he been working on....

I'm disappointed in you.

McDman
08-16-2011, 10:29 PM
I for one have cooled off Tebow and honestly don't know if he has it. I usually despise Sandy Clough and am annoyed by what he has to say, or maybe the way he says it, but he has brought up some very good points.

Why did Tebow not hire a coach in the off season to help with his poor mechanics and sloppy footwork? He was out on a book tour and doing ads on tv, not working to get better on the football field. Sure, he hit the weight room quite a bit but like Al and Stink have said, he honestly probably needs to lose some muscle mass, not put more on.

Everyone keeps bringing up the fact that he went 6 for 7 in the game but if you actually watch it he looked very indecisive and quite nervous. I think he did decent, but his stats make it look better than he actually did.

Al actually says he looks like he has regressed since last year, I'm not sure how it is possible but I was not very impressed with his preseason game.


I also think the Broncos are not doing everything they can to help him out. Why the hell would they hire a freaking wide receivers coach to be the guy to mentor him? If they really wanted to develop him they would have gotten a specialist.

Archer81
08-16-2011, 10:30 PM
The sole negative of having Tebow on the roster is picking up "fans" like MacGruder.

...


:Broncos:

TailgateNut
08-16-2011, 10:31 PM
have you ever explained why you don't like Tebow?

only a gazillion times. I'll do it again for a nominal fee.

The draft is your clue.

Archer81
08-16-2011, 10:31 PM
I for one have cooled off Tebow and honestly don't know if he has it. I usually despise Sandy Clough and am annoyed by what he has to say, or maybe the way he says it, but he has brought up some very good points.

Why did Tebow not hire a coach in the off season to help with his poor mechanics and sloppy footwork? He was out on a book tour and doing ads on tv, not working to get better on the football field. Sure, he hit the weight room quite a bit but like Al and Stink have said, he honestly probably needs to lose some muscle mass, not put more on.

Everyone keeps bringing up the fact that he went 6 for 7 in the game but if you actually watch it he looked very indecisive and quite nervous. I think he did decent, but his stats make it look better than he actually did.

Al actually says he looks like he has regressed since last year, I'm not sure how it is possible but I was not very impressed with his preseason game.


I also think the Broncos are not doing everything they can to help him out. Why the hell would they hire a freaking wide receivers coach to be the guy to mentor him? If they really wanted to develop him they would have gotten a specialist.


A sloth would get happy feet playing behind the Broncos second string offensive line.

:Broncos:

MacGruder
08-16-2011, 10:32 PM
^MacGruder, you might want to see that play again. He did well avoiding the sack but then forgot where the LOS was and threw the ball a yard over it. But I know what you would say to that. Coaches and the league doesn't know how to play Tebow and they should just let him make bonehead mistakes like that.

Why was it boneheaded though? He was being aggressive and it didn't hurt the team at all.. they still got the field goal. That is why he was trying to make something out of nothing..

If Tebow had just waved the whtie flag and laid down in the fetal position like Orton or Bradford do the critics would have killed him yet they don't them..

Watch Sam Bradford in preseason last year when he was playing with and against backups and tanked horribly.. Tebow outplayed him and no one said jack.

Agamemnon
08-16-2011, 10:33 PM
You can't do that with Orton still on the team. You can't cut Orton or you lose the entire vet locker room. Especially when Tim can't beat him out.

"When all option seem wrong, nothing you should do."

-Yoda

:)

Players that choose Orton as their leader are losers. As long as that is the kind of player that composes our roster we will never be anything more than mediocre.

Of all the crappy things that have happened during this off-season, the reports that this team actually wants Orton as their QB are the most disheartening. The guy is not a leader. The guy is not a fierce competitor. The guy is just some dude that shows up and tries not to mess things up.

Clearly this team needs a drastic shift in culture, because right now they seem to prefer to mediocrity over a truly intense competitive spirit. That's the only explanation for actively wanting Orton as their QB. Especially over Tebow.

MacGruder
08-16-2011, 10:34 PM
The sole negative of having Tebow on the roster is picking up "fans" like MacGruder.

...


:Broncos:

You mean guys who actually know something aobut his game.. lol

Ruins your delusions doesn't it..

TailgateNut
08-16-2011, 10:35 PM
I have him on iggy but let me guess.

Tebow blah blah blah, slurp, rookie, blah blah blah, mistreated by Broncos, blah blah blah, slurp slurp, the best evah, blah blah blah, slurp.....:thanku:

McDman
08-16-2011, 10:35 PM
A sloth would get happy feet playing behind the Broncos second string offensive line.

:Broncos:

The line did play poorly, but that's not my main issue with him.

He came into camp saying he thought he got better this off season, how could he actually have gotten better? Does he actually believe his work out routines and weight lifting are making him better? It is known that he did not hire a tutor or any outside help to develop him into a more fluid qb, he went on a book signing tour and he did t shirt ads.

This really surprised me because I look at him as a guy who has incredible work ethic but maybe he just isn't that coachable?

Agamemnon
08-16-2011, 10:35 PM
have you ever explained why you don't like Tebow?

He has, and it has nothing to do with football.

broncolife
08-16-2011, 10:35 PM
He technically threw one. Granted the receiver got knocked down in double coverage and the PI was called.


http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d811e8014/Pre-WK-1-Kyle-Orton-highlights

Gort
08-16-2011, 10:37 PM
only a gazillion times. I'll do it again for a nominal fee.

The draft is your clue.

so you don't like him because you think we should have drafted a defensive player in the 1st round and not another QB? or because of the draft picks we gave up to get him? either way, it seems like you should be holding a grudge against McD and not Tebow. the kid has done NOTHING in his entire life to deserve the scorn some feel toward him. it's not logical for Broncos fans to hate the guy. if you think Orton is better, then fine. but all teams need a backup QB. would you like him if he was the 2nd string QB who never played unless Orton was hurt?

broncocalijohn
08-16-2011, 10:37 PM
**** macGruder, you can't even see that he made a major mistake! He threw the ball a yard past the line of scrimmage! A QB should always know where it is. He also had a play of 3 and 14 (3rd and goal) and ran! No way he makes it into the endzone and we already had an almost chip shot of a field goal. He needed to throw it to the endzone. He waited a few seconds and then gave up on the receivers.

TailgateNut
08-16-2011, 10:37 PM
He has, and it has nothing to do with football.


Yep, wasting valuable draft picks on someone no one wanted has nothing to do with football.

Keep sucking on Timbows teets.

Agamemnon
08-16-2011, 10:38 PM
The line did play poorly, but that's not my main issue with him.

He came into camp saying he thought he got better this off season, how could he actually have gotten better? Does he actually believe his work out routines and weight lifting are making him better? It is known that he did not hire a tutor or any outside help to develop him into a more fluid qb, he went on a book signing tour and he did t shirt ads.

This really surprised me because I look at him as a guy who has incredible work ethic but maybe he just isn't that coachable?

Again, he went 6 of 7 for 91 yards.

Why are people acting like the guy sucks? So far whenever he's gotten on a football field in his short career, he's played very well for a player with his limited experience. I swear to god people are ****ing nuts.

TailgateNut
08-16-2011, 10:39 PM
so you don't like him because you think we should have drafted a defensive player in the 1st round and not another QB? or because of the draft picks we gave up to get him? either way, it seems like you should be holding a grudge against McD and not Tebow. the kid has done NOTHING in his entire life to deserve the scorn some feel toward him. it's not logical for Broncos fans to hate the guy. if you think Orton is better, then fine. but all teams need a backup QB. would you like him if he was the 2nd string QB who never played unless Orton was hurt?


I will like him once he shows he wasn't a total waste of time, money, effort and roster space.

He IS better than Simms.

strafen
08-16-2011, 10:39 PM
I also think the Broncos are not doing everything they can to help him out. Why the hell would they hire a freaking wide receivers coach to be the guy to mentor him? If they really wanted to develop him they would have gotten a specialist.

It makes you wonder how committed the F.O is in bringing in the help needed to make Tebow the franchise QB.
I haven't seen a quality well known QB coach brought in to work with the guy.
It seems as if Tebow would have to do it on his own and on the field.

The point of having Orton to be our starting QB makes no sense.
Nobody expect us to do anything this year, might as well throw Tebow in there and let's find out what we have.
Let's get this thing over with at once...

MacGruder
08-16-2011, 10:40 PM
I for one have cooled off Tebow and honestly don't know if he has it. I usually despise Sandy Clough and am annoyed by what he has to say, or maybe the way he says it, but he has brought up some very good points.

Why did Tebow not hire a coach in the off season to help with his poor mechanics and sloppy footwork? He was out on a book tour and doing ads on tv, not working to get better on the football field. Sure, he hit the weight room quite a bit but like Al and Stink have said, he honestly probably needs to lose some muscle mass, not put more on.

How do you know the problem isn't that he is trying too hard to change eevry aspect of his game to be perfect?

Sometimes you take a step back to take 2 steps forward.

Tebow could be like vick and Vince Young who waited years to make the changes Tebow is now.. and Tebow was ahead of those guys coming into the league.

I think you are looking at this totally the wrong way.. if anything it is the coaching staff trying to completely over haul the guy and the system he is comfortable in.. because THEY are unable and unwilling to adapt to him as everyone says they should.

People have said of Tebow that he is the kind of guy you have to reign in not kick in the rear.. it sounds like he is trying too hard to be perfect.. rather than the other way around.

McDman
08-16-2011, 10:40 PM
Again, he went 6 of 7 for 91 yards.

Why are people acting like the guy sucks? So far whenever he's gotten on a football field in his short career, he's played very well for a player with his limited experience. I swear to god people are ****ing nuts.

That has nothing to do with what you quoted. I was talking about the off season and his horrid mechanics. Yes, he did go 6 for 7. If football was based off stats Kyle Orton was all world last year.

maher_tyler
08-16-2011, 10:41 PM
I for one have cooled off Tebow and honestly don't know if he has it. I usually despise Sandy Clough and am annoyed by what he has to say, or maybe the way he says it, but he has brought up some very good points.

Why did Tebow not hire a coach in the off season to help with his poor mechanics and sloppy footwork? He was out on a book tour and doing ads on tv, not working to get better on the football field. Sure, he hit the weight room quite a bit but like Al and Stink have said, he honestly probably needs to lose some muscle mass, not put more on.

Everyone keeps bringing up the fact that he went 6 for 7 in the game but if you actually watch it he looked very indecisive and quite nervous. I think he did decent, but his stats make it look better than he actually did.

Al actually says he looks like he has regressed since last year, I'm not sure how it is possible but I was not very impressed with his preseason game.


I also think the Broncos are not doing everything they can to help him out. Why the hell would they hire a freaking wide receivers coach to be the guy to mentor him? If they really wanted to develop him they would have gotten a specialist.

Pretty much how I felt. No offseason really hurt him the most of the 3 QB's.

Hamrob
08-16-2011, 10:41 PM
Tebow was 6-7 and looked pretty accurate to me. What was wrong with this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tMdLuWWNhEs

McDman
08-16-2011, 10:41 PM
It makes you wonder how committed the F.O is in bringing in the help needed to make Tebow the franchise QB.
I haven't seen a quality well known QB coach brought in to work with the guy.
It seems as if Tebow would have to do it on his own and on the field.

The point of having Orton to be our starting QB makes no sense.
Nobody expect us to do anything this year, might as well throw Tebow in there and let's find out what we have.
Let's get this thing over with at once...

I don't think they're committed to him and I can see them not caring if he doesn't pan out.

Archer81
08-16-2011, 10:42 PM
The line did play poorly, but that's not my main issue with him.

He came into camp saying he thought he got better this off season, how could he actually have gotten better? Does he actually believe his work out routines and weight lifting are making him better? It is known that he did not hire a tutor or any outside help to develop him into a more fluid qb, he went on a book signing tour and he did t shirt ads.

This really surprised me because I look at him as a guy who has incredible work ethic but maybe he just isn't that coachable?


So at the most 3 weeks of a 6 month offseason he was doing something non-football related?

He'll come around. It wouldnt be a story if no adversity existed.

:Broncos:

MacGruder
08-16-2011, 10:42 PM
Again, he went 6 of 7 for 91 yards.

Why are people acting like the guy sucks? So far whenever he's gotten on a football field in his short career, he's played very well for a player with his limited experience. I swear to god people are ****ing nuts.

This guy can be a real idiot sometimes but he is dead on right here.. when he plays he does well. People are just conditioned to think because he does things different it isn't right.. The NFL is full of show ponies.

McDman
08-16-2011, 10:43 PM
How do you know the problem isn't that he is trying too hard to change eevry aspect of his game to be perfect?

Sometimes you take a step back to take 2 steps forward.

Tebow could be like vick and Vince Young who waited years to make the changes Tebow is now.. and Tebow was ahead of those guys coming into the league.

I think you are looking at this totally the wrong way.. if anything it is the coaching staff trying to completely over haul the guy and the system he is comfortable in.. because THEY are unable and unwilling to adapt to him as everyone says they should.

People have said of Tebow that he is the kind of guy you have to reign in not kick in the rear.. it sounds like he is trying too hard to be perfect.. rather than the other way around.

Look, I know you have a massive hard on for the guy but don't come here and say he was ahead of Vick. Vick has all the makings of an excellent quarter back. His mechanics are good, he has a cannon, and he can run.

It's one thing to compare him to Young but talent and mechanics wise he is light years behind Vick. Had Vick not been such a POS the first part of his career he could have been an all time great possibly.

Hamrob
08-16-2011, 10:44 PM
He technically threw one. Granted the receiver got knocked down in double coverage and the PI was called.Or, did he throw the ball to draw the interference? To me, it looked like he saw that the receiver was being bumped/held and so he threw the ball to draw the flag. Go watch the highlight and look how quickly he was pointing out the penalty.

db56
08-16-2011, 10:45 PM
Again, he went 6 of 7 for 91 yards.

Why are people acting like the guy sucks? So far whenever he's gotten on a football field in his short career, he's played very well for a player with his limited experience. I swear to god people are ****ing nuts.

Yes, we are nuts... what is your point Sir?

I'm just sayin, I want to see him throw the fade in the back corner of the endzone, the slant low and to the inside, the deep out, the corner, post, flag, routes that are routine to starting QB's in the league and when he does this in a game, it will be on tape and shut all the doubters up. I know we will all rest a lot easier...

McDman
08-16-2011, 10:45 PM
So at the most 3 weeks of a 6 month offseason he was doing something non-football related?

He'll come around. It wouldnt be a story if no adversity existed.

:Broncos:

If any one player int he off season needed a personal tutor to work with him rigorously and continuously, it was him. I don't know why he didn't hire someone, all I know is he absolutely needed to.

I really hope he does come around, I like the guy. I've seen him do amazing things as he beat the crap out of my Vols, I'm just not sure it is going to happen.

Gort
08-16-2011, 10:46 PM
It makes you wonder how committed the F.O is in bringing in the help needed to make Tebow the franchise QB.
I haven't seen a quality well known QB coach brought in to work with the guy.
It seems as if Tebow would have to do it on his own and on the field.

The point of having Orton to be our starting QB makes no sense.
Nobody expect us to do anything this year, might as well throw Tebow in there and let's find out what we have.
Let's get this thing over with at once...

i concur 100% with this post. it does worry me that Elway/Fox haven't made any sort of effort to put Tebow on a program for success, even one that would take a couple of years to payoff. competent NFL teams almost always bring in a veteran QB to help groom a rookie QB (or 2nd year player). Orton has said he won't help Tebow and Quinn is unqualified to "mentor" a young QB. it's almost as if they expect Tebow to teach himself how to become an NFL QB.

Agamemnon
08-16-2011, 10:48 PM
Tebow was 6-7 and looked pretty accurate to me. What was wrong with this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tMdLuWWNhEs

Apparently you don't get it. The young, raw QB that most understood wouldn't be an overnight all-pro is failing to play like an all-pro (because his completions aren't always perfectly placed or he looks to run sooner than one would like) and is therefore a disappointment.

TailgateNut
08-16-2011, 10:50 PM
I don't think they're committed to him and I can see them not caring if he doesn't pan out.


I must be ridin' the same wagon 'cause I could care less if the kid falls on his face or does well. Until he proves to me that he deserves the recognition and respect, he doesn't get it because he sell more jerseys, or because he seems to think he's important enough to write an autobiography in his early twenties.


...and MacGruder, the team doesn't need to change their style, TimBow needs to learn to adapt. If not, he can take I-70 east to I-95 south and go back to Football heaven.

Kaylore
08-16-2011, 10:50 PM
I am mad something out of my control failed to live up to my randomly chosen expectations! Rawwwrrrr!!!

Archer81
08-16-2011, 10:50 PM
If any one player int he off season needed a personal tutor to work with him rigorously and continuously, it was him. I don't know why he didn't hire someone, all I know is he absolutely needed to.

I really hope he does come around, I like the guy. I've seen him do amazing things as he beat the crap out of my Vols, I'm just not sure it is going to happen.


Honestly nothing Tebow is doing is outside the norm for young quarterbacks. They do dumb things. Some throw the ball prettier than others, but if the end result is Rivers (****tard delivery) or Rodgers (pornstache) I can wait out the growing pains. I am sick of not seeing the Broncos in national prominence. Orton is not the guy to get us back there. I believe Tebow is.

:Broncos:

TailgateNut
08-16-2011, 10:52 PM
i concur 100% with this post. it does worry me that Elway/Fox haven't made any sort of effort to put Tebow on a program for success, even one that would take a couple of years to payoff. competent NFL teams almost always bring in a veteran QB to help groom a rookie QB (or 2nd year player). Orton has said he won't help Tebow and Quinn is unqualified to "mentor" a young QB. it's almost as if they expect Tebow to teach himself how to become an NFL QB.


According to MacGruder he's already superior to NFL QB's.

Agamemnon
08-16-2011, 10:52 PM
Yes, we are nuts... what is your point Sir?

I'm just sayin, I want to see him throw the fade in the back corner of the endzone, the slant low and to the inside, the deep out, the corner, post, flag, routes that are routine to starting QB's in the league and when he does this in a game, it will be on tape and shut all the doubters up. I know we will all rest a lot easier...

In other words, you want him to play like a veteran when he's not.

Oh and get back to me when Orton can do more than half those things with any consistency.

Agamemnon
08-16-2011, 10:54 PM
Honestly nothing Tebow is doing is outside the norm for young quarterbacks.

I swear to god half the people on these boards have never seen a young QB or have simply forgotten what they look like. It's bizarre.

Gort
08-16-2011, 10:56 PM
According to MacGruder he's already superior to NFL QB's.

there are 3 phases to crazy.

Macgruder is phase 3.

maher_tyler
08-16-2011, 10:56 PM
Tebow was 6-7 and looked pretty accurate to me. What was wrong with this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tMdLuWWNhEs

I don't know, he looked uncomfertable/nervous to me. Could be that there is new terminology and for the fact the team just started practicing a few weeks ago.

Garcia Bronco
08-16-2011, 10:57 PM
Or, did he throw the ball to draw the interference? To me, it looked like he saw that the receiver was being bumped/held and so he threw the ball to draw the flag. Go watch the highlight and look how quickly he was pointing out the penalty.

Maybe. He was also about to get killed and I believe the guy hadn't been tackled yet, but I'll have to look at it again.

Dagmar
08-16-2011, 11:00 PM
I am mad something out of my control failed to live up to my randomly chosen expectations! Rawwwrrrr!!!

http://themetapicture.com/media/funny-gif-Puppy-dog-tastes-lime.gif

MacGruder
08-16-2011, 11:00 PM
Look, I know you have a massive hard on for the guy but don't come here and say he was ahead of Vick. Vick has all the makings of an excellent quarter back. His mechanics are good, he has a cannon, and he can run.

I am talking about how Tebow approaches the QB position.. Tebow won MORE in college with those horrible mechanics.. that is why he never had to change them before. It was his commitment to being a passer that made him better than guys like Vick and Young.. Cam too. ou say it's some massive hardon.. it's you guys critical of Tebow that are the one snot in touch with reality.. people criticizing Tebow have ti completely backwards. Cam Newton is heralded and Tebow trashed.. it makes absolutely no sense whatsover.. simply because Cam LOOKS more ike a QB.. simply because Tebow doesn't "look like a conventional QB. It's all BS.. QBs are show ponies now days more concerned with looking good fetaling than actually trying to win games..

It's one thing to compare him to Young but talent and mechanics wise he is light years behind Vick. Had Vick not been such a POS the first part of his career he could have been an all time great possibly.

Again.. I am talking about his commitment to the game.. you are talking about how he "looks". Vick wasn't accurate coming in the league either.. and Tebow was a better runner in the games he played than Vick and is more durable in and out of the pocket.

Vick had things he needed to work on that may have HURT him as a player early but helped him in the long run.. Tebow is taking that hit now to be the best he can be.. and idiots that don't get it are trashing him for it rather than praising him for dong what the other guys wouldn't...

He is even being punished now for winning at the college level rather than just going there to learn his "fundmentals" and become a show pony conditioned to look good losing like guys like Orton..

Agamemnon
08-16-2011, 11:02 PM
I don't know, he looked uncomfertable/nervous to me. Could be that there is new terminology and for the fact the team just started practicing a few weeks ago.

Honestly who looks comfortable with no protection in an offense they've been playing in for less than a month? I guarantee you Orton wouldn't have looked comfortable in Tebow's shoes. Then again the fetal position is pretty comfortable...

McDman
08-16-2011, 11:04 PM
I am talking about how Tebow approaches the QB position.. Tebow won MORE in college with those horrible mechanics.. that is why he never had to change them before. It was his commitment to being a passer that made him better than guys like Vick and Young.. Cam too. ou say it's some massive hardon.. it's you guys critical of Tebow that are the one snot in touch with reality.. people criticizing Tebow have ti completely backwards. Cam Newton is heralded and Tebow trashed.. it makes absolutely no sense whatsover.. simply because Cam LOOKS more ike a QB.. simply because Tebow doesn't "look like a conventional QB. It's all BS.. QBs are show ponies now days more concerned with looking good fetaling than actually trying to win games..



Again.. I am talking about his commitment to the game.. you are talking about how he "looks". Vick wasn't accurate coming in the league either.. and Tebow was a better runner in the games he played than Vick and is more durable in and out of the pocket.

Vick had things he needed to work on that may have HURT him as a player early but helped him in the long run.. Tebow is taking that hit now to be the best he can be.. and idiots that don't get it are trashing him for it rather than praising him for dong what the other guys wouldn't...

He is even being punished now for winning at the college level rather than just going there to learn his "fundmentals" and become a show pony conditioned to look good losing like guys like Orton..

Tebow is not a better runner than Vick, just stop. It's one thing to like the guy but you're actually delusional about him. I honestly don't think I've seen someone on this board since I've been coming here as truly delusional and crazy as you. You are in your own world where you make random sg1t up and just go with it.

You can reply to this but I am not going to acknowledge you again. There is no arguing with someone who is legitimately crazy.

MacGruder
08-16-2011, 11:06 PM
there are 3 phases to crazy.

Macgruder is phase 3.

Yes..

Phase one: listen to crazy idiots talk about a player they have no freakin clue about but take the word of some critics that also don't have any clue what they are talking about

Phase two: Try to educate the crazy idiots about the player they have no clue about but get called an idiot because they refuse to even consider they don't know what they are talking about..

Phase three: continue to have to listen to the same crazy idiots talk about a player they have no clue about. Lose mind. Then get called crazy and an idiot again..

Garcia Bronco
08-16-2011, 11:06 PM
Yeah..there is nothing in Tebow's running game that's better than Vick, and Tebow is a much more accurate passer.

Agamemnon
08-16-2011, 11:09 PM
Tebow is not a better runner than Vick, just stop. It's one thing to like the guy but you're actually delusional about him. I honestly don't think I've seen someone on this board since I've been coming here as truly delusional and crazy as you. You are in your own world where you make random sg1t up and just go with it.

You can reply to this but I am not going to acknowledge you again. There is no arguing with someone who is legitimately crazy.

Tebow is a better short yardage/redzone runner than Vick. It isn't even close. The same can be said for Vick in terms of open field running and big plays. There are different types of runners, even at QB.

Inkana7
08-16-2011, 11:11 PM
Tebow sucks right now, no big deal. Hopefully he'll be good eventually.

McDman
08-16-2011, 11:11 PM
Yeah..there is nothing in Tebow's running game that's better than Vick, and Tebow is a much more accurate passer.

Sarcasm?

Before the Dallas game one of their announcers, who was a qb, actually said he'd never seen anyone so inaccurate in warm ups before.

Do I think Tebow can become a solid starter? Yes. Do I think he will with the Broncos? Probably not. Not only do I think that the organization does not want him but I don't see him putting any extra effort into becoming better.

MacGruder
08-16-2011, 11:12 PM
Tebow is not a better runner than Vick, just stop.


He is.. Tebow can get first downs more consistently running than Vick.. Vick is more explosive against bad defenses.. but this is why Tebow outperformed vick as a runner in his first games.. everyone KNEW Tebow was going to run and he still put up better running numbers than any QB since the NFL merger in his first 3 starts.

It's one thing to like the guy but you're actually delusional about him. I honestly don't think I've seen someone on this board since I've been coming here as truly delusional and crazy as you. You are in your own world where you make random sg1t up and just go with it.

He proved it you tool.. you think vick wasn't trying to run in his first three games? You think it's just an accident Tebow had the most running yards for a QB in his first three starts than anyone in over 50 years? LOL

You can reply to this but I am not going to acknowledge you again. There is no arguing with someone who is legitimately crazy.

You are small minded.. that is why you buy anything the media sells you.. rather than thinking with your own mind and actually looking at the facts.

Agamemnon
08-16-2011, 11:13 PM
Sarcasm?

Before the Dallas game one of their announcers, who was a qb, actually said he'd never seen anyone so inaccurate in warm ups before.

Do I think Tebow can become a solid starter? Yes. Do I think he will with the Broncos? Probably not. Not only do I think that the organization does not want him but I don't see him putting any extra effort into becoming better.

Because he hasn't been staying after practice every freaking day or anything. ::)

MacGruder
08-16-2011, 11:13 PM
Sarcasm?

Before the Dallas game one of their announcers, who was a qb, actually said he'd never seen anyone so inaccurate in warm ups before.

Do I think Tebow can become a solid starter? Yes. Do I think he will with the Broncos? Probably not. Not only do I think that the organization does not want him but I don't see him putting any extra effort into becoming better.

Yeah.. the same guys that trashed Tebow for running then when their own backup Qb did the same EXACT thing they didn't say jack about it?

Youa re an idiot..

maher_tyler
08-16-2011, 11:13 PM
Honestly who looks comfortable with no protection in an offense they've been playing in for less than a month? I guarantee you Orton wouldn't have looked comfortable in Tebow's shoes. Then again the fetal position is pretty comfortable...

Same offensive coordinator, how much has changed? Other than more running plays called. Hopefully he gets a chance to play with the 1st team at some point during the preseason or regular season so we can see where he's at with the offense.

Archer81
08-16-2011, 11:14 PM
Yes..

Phase one: listen to crazy idiots talk about a player they have no freakin clue about but take the word of some critics that also don't have any clue what they are talking about

Phase two: Try to educate the crazy idiots about the player they have no clue about but get called an idiot because they refuse to even consider they don't know what they are talking about..

Phase three: continue to have to listen to the same crazy idiots talk about a player they have no clue about. Lose mind. Then get called crazy and an idiot again..

I: Heisman winners are a team's weak link. According to you.

II: Making the claim that a team running the ball 60% of the time is still pass heavy. Ignore evidence that proves you wrong. Quote random announcers. Make stupid jokes. It must be hard to breathe with your head up your own ass.

III: You lost this awhile ago. The rest of us were clued in when you joined the board.

:Broncos:

db56
08-16-2011, 11:16 PM
I'm a Tebow supporter, I want him to be the QB for the Broncos.

The FO knows something that we dont, they have full access to everything Tebow does and they are not supporting him! Its hard to buy the excuse that its just FO postering at this point when we hear and read that B. Quinn is pushing Tebow for the backup role, What?? GTFO!!

It all comes back to Tebow, the only logical explanation for Orton starting is the team trusts him more, Tebow has to beat Orton out period!! everything hinges on it.. idk maybe the FO wants Orton to play well so when he walks after the season he'll get a sweet deal...

Garcia Bronco
08-16-2011, 11:17 PM
That first team offensive line wasn't that great either. It was only one drive, but the got beat pretty good on some plays. If it was for McGahee and Moreno breaking some tackles behind or at the LOS, we might not have done as well as we did.

MacGruder
08-16-2011, 11:18 PM
Yeah..there is nothing in Tebow's running game that's better than Vick, and Tebow is a much more accurate passer.

Who is a gbetter basketball player.. Shaq or Allen Iverson?

Vick will be more explosive against bad defenses but Tebow can run even on great defenses.. finesse runners cannot.

Why do you thinjk Tebow was the most dominant college Qb ever?'

It doesn't matter how fast you are you are eventually going to get hit..

Besides.. Tebow is a very smart runner.. running isn't all about athletic ability.. as a QB it's about decision making and reading defenses.. I think Tebow is vastly underrated here..

Look at Tebow's combine compared to Cam Newtons.. Tebow is 240 lbs and had a higher vertical leap than Vick and cam Newton.. Tebow had a better 3 cone drill than wide receivers and has insane stamina.

I think Tebow is a much more freakish athlete than Vick.. and when you add in his smarts and intangibles it's not even close.. especially considering it's FOOTBALL..

Garcia Bronco
08-16-2011, 11:18 PM
How is the organization not support Tim. I don't understand this argument.

Agamemnon
08-16-2011, 11:19 PM
Same offensive coordinator, how much has changed? Other than more running plays called. Hopefully he gets a chance to play with the 1st team at some point during the preseason or regular season so we can see where he's at with the offense.

A lot has changed. That offense looked very different from McD's in many ways. It's not a completely different playbook, but I'm pretty sure he's having to work on and learn things that weren't really part of the offense last year.

Inkana7
08-16-2011, 11:19 PM
He is.. Tebow can get first downs more consistently running than Vick.. Vick is more explosive against bad defenses.. but this is why Tebow outperformed vick as a runner in his first games.. everyone KNEW Tebow was going to run and he still put up better running numbers than any QB since the NFL merger in his first 3 starts.



He proved it you tool.. you think vick wasn't trying to run in his first three games? You think it's just an accident Tebow had the most running yards for a QB in his first three starts than anyone in over 50 years? LOL



You are small minded.. that is why you buy anything the media sells you.. rather than thinking with your own mind and actually looking at the facts.

Michael Vick had 10 rushes in his first 3 games. Tebow had 31.

MacGruder
08-16-2011, 11:20 PM
I'm a Tebow supporter, I want him to be the QB for the Broncos.

The FO knows something that we dont, they have full access to everything Tebow does and they are not supporting him! Its hard to buy the excuse that its just FO postering at this point when we hear and read that B. Quinn is pushing Tebow for the backup role, What?? GTFO!!

It all comes back to Tebow, the only logical explanation for Orton starting is the team trusts him more, Tebow has to beat Orton out period!! everything hinges on it.. idk maybe the FO wants Orton to play well so when he walks after the season he'll get a sweet deal...

I think the problem is that guys like Elway and even the Broncos management wants to win now.. I think this is why they are just using Tebow as a fan draw and want to win now and this is why Tebow's development isn't a priority. I don't think they even know HOW to develop him or use him which makes the decision especially easy.

Garcia Bronco
08-16-2011, 11:20 PM
Vick isn't a finesse runner. Not in the way you mean. He's just the fastest guy on the field with the best vision. He's tough too. I am bias. I graduated from Virginia Tech and watched every one of his college games.

And I am nit going totalk with you if you want to get personal. You can't get my goat, man. I am too seasoned.

MacGruder
08-16-2011, 11:21 PM
Michael Vick had 10 rushes in his first 3 games. Tebow had 31.

But that's the point.. Tebow could rush even when they KNEW he was going to rush..

That was WHY Vick couldn't rush and Tebow could..

Inkana7
08-16-2011, 11:22 PM
But that's the point.. Tebow could rush even when they KNEW he was going to rush..

That was WHY Vick couldn't rush and Tebow could..

Yeah this post is really dumb.

Agamemnon
08-16-2011, 11:22 PM
How is the organization not support Tim. I don't understand this argument.

I thought they weren't supporting him as well, until I saw Fox rubbing Tebow's head and supporting him after that one crazy play along with reports of Elway working with Tebow after practice. Now I'm not so sure. It may well be that they are simply choosing to take their time with him, more than simply looking to whatever traditional QB prospect they can replace him with next year.

MacGruder
08-16-2011, 11:23 PM
Vick isn't a finesse runner. Not in the way you mean. He's just the fastest guy on the field with the best vision. He's tough too. I am bias. I graduated from Virginia Tech and watched every one of his college games.

He is a finesse runner because he can't run with power.. Tebow can run with power and finesse.. he is very agile for his size.. this is why he is more versatile and dominant getting first downs and touchdowns.

MacGruder
08-16-2011, 11:24 PM
Yeah this post is really dumb.

You are dumb.. you think Vick wasn't TRYING to win?

vancejohnson82
08-16-2011, 11:32 PM
You are dumb.. you think Vick wasn't TRYING to win?

when you compare Vick's ability to run with Tebow's you make yourself a target....it's not even close

MacGruder
08-16-2011, 11:36 PM
when you compare Vick's ability to run with Tebow's you make yourself a target....it's not even close

So then why hasn't the SEC ever used a player like Vick and dominated?

They can't get talent?

Why was it Tebow that revolutionized the QB position in the SEC?

Vick could NOT run that spread option offense in the SEC like Tebow did.. he would have gotten KILLED..

That is why Tebow is a better - more dominant runner than Vick..

You will see.. if they ever let Tebow frickin play... lol

Agamemnon
08-16-2011, 11:39 PM
Michael Vick had 10 rushes in his first 3 games. Tebow had 31.

In his first three actual starts he actually ran 17 times.

And in his second season he ran the ball 10 or more times on five different occasions. In that season he averaged over 7.5 carries per game.

Agamemnon
08-16-2011, 11:43 PM
when you compare Vick's ability to run with Tebow's you make yourself a target....it's not even close

I keep seeing people say this and it's patently ridiculous. Tebow is the greatest running QB in college football history. Tebow and Vick are very different types of runners and to say "it's not even close" makes you look as dumb as MacGruder for claiming Tebow is straight up the better runner. They are both great running QBs, but in very different ways.

MacGruder
08-16-2011, 11:43 PM
I: Heisman winners are a team's weak link. According to you.

People said Tebow was the guy being carried by the ultra telented Florida team.. ended up being the opposite.

II: Making the claim that a team running the ball 60% of the time is still pass heavy. Ignore evidence that proves you wrong. Quote random announcers. Make stupid jokes. It must be hard to breathe with your head up your own ass.

And yet Florida had castoffs from other teams as the teams runners.. LOL And they dumped cam Newton for Brantley.. because they are a running team.. right...? LOL

III: You lost this awhile ago. The rest of us were clued in when you joined the board.

:Broncos:

Keep telling yourself that.. and when Tebow is dominating more than Vick on another team I am sure you will have some excuse that the media provides for you.. at least I don't just parrot the media.. that's about as stupid as you can get.

db56
08-16-2011, 11:44 PM
I thought they weren't supporting him as well, until I saw Fox rubbing Tebow's head and supporting him after that one crazy play along with reports of Elway working with Tebow after practice. Now I'm not so sure. It may well be that they are simply choosing to take their time with him, more than simply looking to whatever traditional QB prospect they can replace him with next year.

I say that too and thought the same thing. as far as the taking their time approach, Elway has always said that when he started early in his career it was tough, but he learned a lot faster getting thrown into the fire. I'm guessing that Tebow isnt close to being the player Elway was as a rookie? again, I just doesnt make sense...

The entire world knows that Orton is not the answer... not this year, next year or ever.... didnt C. Morton start the season as the starter Elway's rookie year and got hurt early? Maybe Elway is hoping Orton gets hurt early, lol!

vancejohnson82
08-16-2011, 11:44 PM
So then why hasn't the SE ever used a player like Vick and dominated?

They can't get talent?

Why was it Tebow that revolutionized the QB position in the SEC?

Vick could NOT run that spread option offense in the SEC like Tebow did.. he would have gotten KILLED..

That is why Tebow is a better - more dominant runner than Vick..

You will see.. if they ever let Tebow frickin play... lol

you're a joke...its unbelievable

MacGruder
08-16-2011, 11:46 PM
I keep seeing people say this and it's patently ridiculous. Tebow is the greatest running QB in college football history. Tebow and Vick are very different types of runners and to say "it's not even close" makes you look as dumb as MacGruder for claiming Tebow is straight up the better runner. They are both great running QBs, but in very different ways.

I am not the one that said it wasn't close.. I have said Vick is more explosive against bad defenses and Tebow is more dominant against great defenses.. Considering Vick couldn't win big games with his running I don't see the issue here.. makes perfect sense to me..

MacGruder
08-16-2011, 11:48 PM
you're a joke...its unbelievable

Do you know how much Vick would git hit in the spread option in the SEC? He got injured getting hit in the pocket last year.. Vick is TINY.. do you understand this? Tebow has PROVEN his durability.. Vick has not.

Agamemnon
08-16-2011, 11:54 PM
I say that too and thought the same thing. as far as the taking their time approach, Elway has always said that when he started early in his career it was tough, but he learned a lot faster getting thrown into the fire. I'm guessing that Tebow isnt close to being the player Elway was as a rookie? again, I just doesnt make sense...

The entire world knows that Orton is not the answer... not this year, next year or ever.... didnt C. Morton start the season as the starter Elway's rookie year and got hurt early? Maybe Elway is hoping Orton gets hurt early, lol!

Tebow >>>> Elway as a rookie. It's not even funny how much better he was in his first three starts than Elway.

A part of me wonders if Elway isn't handling Tebow the way he retrospectively wished he had been handled. Namely, being forced to learn how to be a sound pocket passer rather than living off of the ad lib. There was an interview recently that kind of supported this. Elway was basically called on being a similar style of player to Tebow early in his career, and he said that that that was part of the reason that those early teams couldn't win the Super Bowl.

So I wonder if he's trying to develop Tebow in the way he really wasn't until late in his career. It's a possibility I suppose.

MacGruder
08-17-2011, 12:00 AM
Tebow >>>> Elway as a rookie. It's not even funny how much better he was in his first three starts than Elway.

A part of me wonders if Elway isn't handling Tebow the way he retrospectively wished he had been handled. Namely, being forced to learn how to be a sound pocket passer rather than living off of the ad lib. There was an interview recently that kind of supported this. Elway was basically called on being a similar style of player to Tebow early in his career, and he said that that that was part of the reason that those early teams couldn't win the Super Bowl.

So I wonder if he's trying to develop Tebow in the way he really wasn't until late in his career. It's a possibility I suppose.

I hope this isn't Elway's thinking.. because in his era it was probably true.. but not in this era.

I think Tebow could win championships in his first years in the league just based on his athleticism and running ability IF they had someone like Belichick that knew how to use him.

Archer81
08-17-2011, 12:07 AM
People said Tebow was the guy being carried by the ultra telented Florida team.. ended up being the opposite.



And yet Florida had castoffs from other teams as the teams runners.. LOL And they dumped cam Newton for Brantley.. because they are a running team.. right...? LOL



Keep telling yourself that.. and when Tebow is dominating more than Vick on another team I am sure you will have some excuse that the media provides for you.. at least I don't just parrot the media.. that's about as stupid as you can get.

I, like most people who have an inkling about that situation realize Cam wanted cash to be starter of the Gators. Auburn was willing to pay.

Facts, ****nut. They wont kill you.

:Broncos:

vancejohnson82
08-17-2011, 12:09 AM
I keep seeing people say this and it's patently ridiculous. Tebow is the greatest running QB in college football history. Tebow and Vick are very different types of runners and to say "it's not even close" makes you look as dumb as MacGruder for claiming Tebow is straight up the better runner. They are both great running QBs, but in very different ways.

sure.....keep telling yourself that Tebow can be as an effective runner in the NFL....you and MacGruder have no idea how to evaluate Tebow's abilities at this point

dumb

bronco610
08-17-2011, 12:09 AM
So then why hasn't the SEC ever used a player like Vick and dominated?

They can't get talent?

Why was it Tebow that revolutionized the QB position in the SEC?

Vick could NOT run that spread option offense in the SEC like Tebow did.. he would have gotten KILLED..

That is why Tebow is a better - more dominant runner than Vick..

You will see.. if they ever let Tebow frickin play... lol

Are you ever going to get this is the pros, not the SEC?

Micanopy
08-17-2011, 12:11 AM
The Broncos have no one to blame but their self for Tebow developing slowly.. maybe even taking steps back..

The Broncos tried to have their cake and eat it too.. supposedly playing to "win now" last season and they wasted what could have been a year of development on Fool's gold Orton.

Look at Colt McCoy.. he got to play much of last season and probably got a lot more reps.. had help from other QBs on his team and had an experienced coach who built a system around him perfect for his skill set. McCoy's coach wanted to draft Tebow and even said Tebow may not even need to change his throwing motion.

Now this season they even want to do the same thing playing Orton again with the delusional belief the team can do something with him at QB...

If Tebow was playing in Cleveland he could be ahead of Colt by now..

I also think it is a myth that sitting a QB makes them better.. unless they happen to be in the incredibly ideal situation Aaron Rodgers was in where he could watch a hall of famer in a system that fit both of them perfectly.. That sure isn't Orton..

Tebow needs to play to develop the things he needs to learn.. and his game is so instinctual sitting hm even hurts that aspect.

Amen.

BroncoBuff
08-17-2011, 12:11 AM
The guy went 6 of 7 for 91 yards behind a line that couldn't block Peewee Herman. I really don't get what there is to be disappointed about. Unless you thought a guy, in his second year, that didn't have an off-season to work with his coaches, was just going to be an all-pro. Of course then the problem really isn't Tebow, it's your expectations, isn't it?

I'll sign on to that.

MacGruder
08-17-2011, 12:13 AM
I, like most people who have an inkling about that situation realize Cam wanted cash to be starter of the Gators. Auburn was willing to pay.

Facts, ****nut. They wont kill you.

:Broncos:

Why would he want to appear to get booted out of Florida for cash? LMAO

T do that behind Tebow would be the fumbest thing ever.. he could have been in the program where Tebow was made an absolute ROCKSTAR.. and according to you halfwits he should have been even better than Tebow!

And again. that doesn't explain why they would play someone like Brantley over someone like Cam.. you can't possibly tell em they couldn't get a better athletic Qb than John Brantley.,

So why would they use Brantely then? it's because what i am saying is dead on.. you need a Qb that can pass at a high level. Tebow threw at an incredible level for a running QB.. unprecedented at his stage of development. Tebow's pass opened his run and his own run opened everyone else's run.

Cam was just a role player that couldn't hack Tebow's role passing OR running.. he would have been dead meat.

MacGruder
08-17-2011, 12:16 AM
Are you ever going to get this is the pros, not the SEC?

Are you ever going to get that Tebow has played in the pros.. and made it look like the SEC.. an announcer on the NFL Network even said it. He made the Raider's D look like Ole Miss.. lol

MacGruder
08-17-2011, 12:17 AM
sure.....keep telling yourself that Tebow can be as an effective runner in the NFL....you and MacGruder have no idea how to evaluate Tebow's abilities at this point

dumb

Did you watch Tebow play in college?

If not why not listen to someone that did.. I know that sounds crazy.. LOL

vancejohnson82
08-17-2011, 12:25 AM
Did you watch Tebow play in college?

If not why not listen to someone that did.. I know that sounds crazy.. LOL

have you ever watched the NFL....because this board is based around a team that plays in that league

Hilarious!

^5

:egbgb:


:curtsey:



;)
:wave:
:strong:

:clown:


:afro:

bronco610
08-17-2011, 12:28 AM
have you ever watched the NFL....because this board is based around a team that plays in that league

Hilarious!

^5

:egbgb:


:curtsey:



;)
:wave:
:strong:

:clown:


:afro:

Answer: No he has not.

MacGruder
08-17-2011, 12:31 AM
Answer: No he has not.

Yeah.. I watched Tebow outplay a guy who has been playing in the league for years.. and he did it with no experience.. he also broke records in his first 3 starts.. and I predicted it. I am sure you did to...

vancejohnson82
08-17-2011, 12:31 AM
Answer: No he has not.

its a joke...

SEC > NFL obviously

MacGruder
08-17-2011, 12:33 AM
Don't you geniuses realize that people who have played in college have gone on to the NFL and been successful? AND tebow did things those guys couldn't against the toughest competition..

Why do you think guys like Gruden and McD thought Tebow could revolutionize the NFL too?

I bet they watched him in college more than you did to..

vancejohnson82
08-17-2011, 12:34 AM
Yeah.. I watched Tebow outplay a guy who has been playing in the league for years.. and he did it with no experience.. he also broke records in his first 3 starts.. and I predicted it. I am sure you did to...

first of all....it's "too" not "to" you illiterate gnat brained mouth breather

second of all, what records do you keep talking about? please elaborate before throwing this all over the board

vancejohnson82
08-17-2011, 12:36 AM
Don't you geniuses realize that people who have played in college have gone on to the NFL and been successful? AND tebow did things those guys couldn't against the toughest competition..

Why do you think guys like Gruden and McD thought Tebow could revolutionize the NFL too?

I bet they watched him in college more than you did to..

"too" not "to"

once again

vonqkilla
08-17-2011, 12:39 AM
Every one that said the job would have to be earned by tebow was kidding them selves, it had to be handed to him via trade, no way our gamer 2nd year qb beats out a 6 year vet in camp and practice, esp w/ fox as HC.

If Orton fails, maybe Tebow will get in, but Fox hinted today that Tebow could be our 3rd qb, brought in for wildcat only.

MacGruder
08-17-2011, 12:39 AM
Attacking typos and grammar = ownage.

Thanks for playing.

vancejohnson82
08-17-2011, 12:44 AM
Attacking typos and grammar = ownage.

Thanks for playing.

You've done nothing but prove that you have no idea what happens at different levels of football competition. It's an absolute joke that you joined an NFL board to talk about a college player who you crush on. Get on an SEC board and talk about who is going to win the Mississippi/Vandy game this year or something you know about.

You like Tebow and think he will "revolutionize" the game. WE GET IT.

bronco610
08-17-2011, 12:56 AM
Give head coaches 6 games of film on tebow and they will shut him down in my opinion. For him to be succesful at this level he will first and foremost need to learn to take the snap and be consistant in his 3,5, and 7 step drops. Without that the play action doesnt work.

MacGruder
08-17-2011, 12:58 AM
You've done nothing but prove that you have no idea what happens at different levels of football competition.

This is total BS.. because I KNEW how underrated Tebow was even in college..

I knew that he was underrated as a passer and runner because the level of defens ehe was facing and he did not have quality runners around him.. but he still amde his team almost unbeatable.

The only reason people like you doubt Tebow is the same reason Peyton Manning was underrated coming out of college..

It's an absolute joke that you joined an NFL board to talk about a college player who you crush on.

You are projecting...

Get on an SEC board and talk about who is going to win the Mississippi/Vandy game this year or something you know about.

You like Tebow and think he will "revolutionize" the game. WE GET IT.

No.. I watched Tebow play and you didn't... I am not just some college football fan.. I an an impartial observer.. I know that is impossible to understand because you are in fact guilty of what you claim I am guilty of.. that's why it's called projecting..

MacGruder
08-17-2011, 01:00 AM
Give head coaches 6 games of film on tebow and they will shut him down in my opinion. For him to be succesful at this level he will first and foremost need to learn to take the snap and be consistant in his 3,5, and 7 step drops. Without that the play action doesnt work.

This makes no sense.. the only reason you believe this is because of what the media has told you.. you have no other reason to claim something like this.

Vince Young and Vick played very well coming into the NFL.. and Tebow is way ahead of where they were at the same stage.

TailgateNut
08-17-2011, 01:10 AM
I thought they weren't supporting him as well, until I saw Fox rubbing Tebow's head and supporting him after that one crazy play along with reports of Elway working with Tebow after practice. Now I'm not so sure. It may well be that they are simply choosing to take their time with him, more than simply looking to whatever traditional QB prospect they can replace him with next year.

Hmmm, I rub the head of my retarded dog just as much as my lab.

bronco610
08-17-2011, 01:12 AM
Hmmm, I rub the head of my retarded dog just as much as my lab.

LOLLOLLOL

MacGruder
08-17-2011, 01:14 AM
Hmmm, I rub the head of my retarded dog just as much as my lab.

Orton's the one that "lays down" like a bitch.. lol

He sure is smart though..

bronco610
08-17-2011, 01:14 AM
This makes no sense.. the only reason you believe this is because of what the media has told you.. you have no other reason to claim something like this.Vince Young and Vick played very well coming into the NFL.. and Tebow is way ahead of where they were at the same stage.

UH, could be because I am over 50 years old and have seen more football in my life than most on this board. Certainly you.

MacGruder
08-17-2011, 01:17 AM
UH, could be because I am over 50 years old and have seen more football in my life than most on this board. Certainly you.

That is why youa re unable to see how the game is changing.. just like everyone else in the NFL.

Why do you think no one even knew how great Tebow would be in college?

Because not even college has caught on fully.

Again. if what you are saying is true then answer the question.. with the success Vick and Vince had without even being as committed and prepared as Tebow how can you claim Tebow can't be just as successful if not more.

Pezman
08-17-2011, 01:23 AM
I swear to you, switch out the name "Tebow" for Griese and we are in circa 2002 around these parts. The more things change on the Mane, the more they stay the same hahahhaa

bronco610
08-17-2011, 01:28 AM
That is why youa re unable to see how the game is changing.. just like everyone else in the NFL.

Why do you think no one even knew how great Tebow would be in college?

Because not even college has caught on fully.

Again. if what you are saying is true then answer the question.. with the success Vick and Vince had without even being as committed and prepared as Tebow how can you claim Tebow can't be just as successful if not more.

The two combined have won what exactly ? Yeah, Elway is blind when it comes to QBs. Of course only you have more knowledge than head coaches and hall of fame quarterbacks.

MacGruder
08-17-2011, 01:33 AM
The two combined have won what exactly ? Yeah, Elway is blind when it comes to QBs. Of course only you have more knowledge than head coaches and hall of fame quarterbacks.

sometimes it's easier to see things from the outside. I watched Tebow's whole career and saw how controversial and misunderstood he was.. and I saw hoe good he would be in the NFL..

Steve Young came over to where I had been since Tebow's sophomore year after Young saw Tebow's first NFL win..

He's a hall of famer too by the way..

Steve Young just called Tebow "Greatness we are watching"
He basically all but guaranteed Tebow will be great, win a lot of games, and will change the position as we know it. When asked about Tebow his first response was "Tim Tebow is greatness" and if someone builds on the offense we are running with him he would be the only guy to run this "new" scheme and thus become great with his unique skill set whether is running or passing the bowl.

bronco610
08-17-2011, 01:40 AM
sometimes it's easier to see things from the outside. I watched Tebow's whole career and saw how controversial and misunderstood he was.. and I saw hoe good he would be in the NFL..

Steve Young came over to where I had been since Tebow's sophomore year after Young saw Tebow's first NFL win..

He's a hall of famer too by the way..

Are you a bronco fan or a tebow fan? I somehow have the feeling you jumped on the broncos only after tebow was drafted. I still trust Elway over young. Young has had several concussions. He might not be all there.

db56
08-17-2011, 01:41 AM
There have been a lot of running Qb's that came out of college and were going to revolutionize the NFL and it never happened. Tebow is built like a tank yes but he will get busted and his career will be very short if the OC has this philosphy.

the spread option was pretty at FL and it was the SEC but to think it would be successful at the NFL level is laughable..

bronco610
08-17-2011, 01:43 AM
There have been a lot of running Qb's that came out of college and were going to revolutionize the NFL and it never happened. Tebow is built like a tank yes but he will get busted and his career will be very short if the OC has this philosphy.

the spread option was pretty at FL and it was the SEC but to think it would be successful at the NFL level is laughable..

ssshhh, The tebow will have you burned at the steak!!!!

Archer81
08-17-2011, 01:48 AM
I swear to you, switch out the name "Tebow" for Griese and we are in circa 2002 around these parts. The more things change on the Mane, the more they stay the same hahahhaa


You seem familiar somehow...:sunshine:

Anyway...Griese by 2002 had been starter since 1999. If Tebow had raw mechanics by the end of year three, then I would be singing drinking songs with tgn about the next great Broncos QB search.

Oh Griese...where for art thou, Griese...

:Broncos:

Archer81
08-17-2011, 01:54 AM
Why would he want to appear to get booted out of Florida for cash? LMAO

T do that behind Tebow would be the fumbest thing ever.. he could have been in the program where Tebow was made an absolute ROCKSTAR.. and according to you halfwits he should have been even better than Tebow!

And again. that doesn't explain why they would play someone like Brantley over someone like Cam.. you can't possibly tell em they couldn't get a better athletic Qb than John Brantley.,

So why would they use Brantely then? it's because what i am saying is dead on.. you need a Qb that can pass at a high level. Tebow threw at an incredible level for a running QB.. unprecedented at his stage of development. Tebow's pass opened his run and his own run opened everyone else's run.

Cam was just a role player that couldn't hack Tebow's role passing OR running.. he would have been dead meat.


Do you really think Florida would have just dropped Cam Newton for a stolen laptop? You have no concept of logic at all. You have premises that in no way support your conclusion. You believe a LACK of passing at Florida since 2004 is somehow a support for your theory that Florida is a pass heavy and finesse offense. You believe a negative proves you right.

By the way, do you ever comment on the other Broncos in camp, or are you all Tebow all the time? I dig men but you seem to have the world's most virulent mancrush I have ever seen.

Way to be, John Hinkley Jr.

:Broncos:

bronco610
08-17-2011, 01:59 AM
Do you really think Florida would have just dropped Cam Newton for a stolen laptop? You have no concept of logic at all. You have premises that in no way support your conclusion. You believe a LACK of passing at Florida since 2004 is somehow a support for your theory that Florida is a pass heavy and finesse offense. You believe a negative proves you right.

By the way, do you ever comment on the other Broncos in camp, or are you all Tebow all the time? I dig men but you seem to have the world's most virulent mancrush I have ever seen.

Way to be, John Hinkley Jr.:Broncos:

Now that would explain a lot!!!!

Archer81
08-17-2011, 02:04 AM
Now that would explain a lot!!!!


I know. Scary concept.


:Broncos:

MacGruder
08-17-2011, 02:21 AM
There have been a lot of running Qb's that came out of college and were going to revolutionize the NFL and it never happened. Tebow is built like a tank yes but he will get busted and his career will be very short if the OC has this philosphy.

the spread option was pretty at FL and it was the SEC but to think it would be successful at the NFL level is laughable..

You are making the fatal flaw.. Tebow doesn't have to run as much as he did in college.. he just has to run more than any other QB in the NFL.. and that will be enough. He gives his team an edge they can't match because no one else can do it.. get it?

And Tebow was dramatically underrated as a runner even in college.. because Florida can't get decent runners because they run a finesse system that doesn't work in the NFL (without Tebow).

This is why Tebow is shocking people with his athleticism in the NFL..

Believe it or not.. I don't care.. Tebow will prove it some day somewhere.. Sadly you will probably lie to yourselves and ignore that he could have done it here now if they simply let him.. or if they had the ability to build a system around him.

MacGruder
08-17-2011, 02:27 AM
Do you really think Florida would have just dropped Cam Newton for a stolen laptop?

They didn't drop him.. they wanted to use him as the backup to Brantley and he threw a fit and wanted to go somewhere else and learn how to "kind of" throw the ball and go to an offense he could run... or be hidden in. He had a service that placed him on the perfect team to look like a success even with all his flaws.

You have no concept of logic at all. You have premises that in no way support your conclusion. You believe a LACK of passing at Florida since 2004 is somehow a support for your theory that Florida is a pass heavy and finesse offense. You believe a negative proves you right.

So why does Florida have so many receivers in the NFL but no between the tackles runners?? Why were their best runners castoffs from FSU and USC.. LOL

By the way, do you ever comment on the other Broncos in camp, or are you all Tebow all the time? I dig men but you seem to have the world's most virulent mancrush I have ever seen.

Way to be, John Hinkley Jr.

:Broncos:

Why are you posting about crappy players on a crappy team? Don't blame me because I'm not a homer and actually know what is actually worth spending time on.. And besides.. if there weren't so many clueless people who know nothing about Tebow I wouldn't have to straighten them out.. and then I could focus on other aspects..

Oh.. and you are projecting.. LOL

Agamemnon
08-17-2011, 02:32 AM
sure.....keep telling yourself that Tebow can be as an effective runner in the NFL....you and MacGruder have no idea how to evaluate Tebow's abilities at this point

dumb

I'm sorry but you're an idiot. Tebow has already proven how well he can run in the NFL. He ran for 6 TDs last season in very limited action. Vick has only managed that many rushing TDs three times in his whole career.

Tebow > Vick when it comes to running in the redzone and in short yardage situations. Anyone who questions that is an imbecile, and you clearly are.

I already said that Vick is better in the open field and at breaking off big plays. But you have to be a dumb**** and act like you know what you're talking about when you don't.

MacGruder
08-17-2011, 02:36 AM
I'm sorry but you're an idiot. Tebow has already proven how well he can run in the NFL. He ran for 6 TDs last season in very limited action. Vick has only managed that many rushing TDs three times in his whole career.

Tebow > Vick when it comes to running in the redzone and in short yardage situations. Anyone who questions that is an imbecile, and you clearly are.



If Tebow is the best in the redzone then he is the best getting first downs period.. and that means he is the best in the playoffs.

And that is why Tebow is the Shaq of running QBs.. and why Vick is AI.. and why Shaq and Tebow will have all the championships and Vick and Ai won't/don't.

mhgaffney
08-17-2011, 03:35 AM
bat guano covers it

UberBroncoMan
08-17-2011, 04:55 AM
The funny part is...if we go 8-8 with Orton. We're setting our-self up for ****tier draft-picks to grow our team for the future.

If we go Tebow all the way and let him develop like TB did with Freeman two years ago.

Then we will probably go 5-11/6-10, and have some high picks to bolster our DT ranks along with a far more experienced and hopefully much improved Tebow for next year.

fontaine
08-17-2011, 05:11 AM
It's amazing how watching one preseason game makes a QB coach/guru out of any fan and cripples even minimum brain function as a bonus.

Nevermind that the first thing that young QBs struggle with against live, NFL calibre defenses is their footwork and throwing mechanics, never mind that even veterans struggle at times with the basics like planting their feet and throwing the ball properly (instead they get gun shy and throw the ball away, throw from the back foot, side arm it etc etc).

Nevermind all that. Tebow is supposed to be above all that, his mechanics and footwork which are the weakest part of his game, are expected to improve dramatically over the course of just a few sessions in camp and one preseason game.

Thus sayeth the lord.

Jay3
08-17-2011, 05:21 AM
Tebow's a better runner than Vick. So is Peyton Hillis, by the way.

Vick is the fastest guy on the field, but he's fairly small. He can be arm-tackled.

Tebow is a threat to bomb the line on 3rd and 4 or 3rd and goal, so he affects the defensive formation. They have to be able to put their haunches into it to stop Tebow, so they react differently. It opens up more areas of the field.

Putting Tebow in shotgun with an empty backfield is like playing with 12 players.

You can say "running isn't that valuable," you can say "Vick is the fast QB to ever live," you can say "Vick doesn't run that much anymore." Or you can say "Tebow's style of running will lead to damage."

You can even say "I think Vick is a better runner than Tebow." It's enough of a speed/power debate that you can be entitled to that opinion.

But these people that think Vick is a better runner than Tebow and "it's not even close" or "just stop" or "there's no comparison" -- you're delusional. You're equating 40 time with the ability to pick up a first down.

Gort
08-17-2011, 06:58 AM
Tebow is a threat to bomb the line on 3rd and 4 or 3rd and goal, so he affects the defensive formation. They have to be able to put their haunches into it to stop Tebow, so they react differently. It opens up more areas of the field.

it's not that Tebow is a super RB playing the QB position. when the defense knows he's running the ball, he's not going to be that effective in the NFL. however, when the defense has to account for the option that he may run the ball on any given play, he forces them to commit a LB to "spy" on him.

no team would do that for Orton. no team would do that for Cutler, even though Cutler could scramble if he had to, he is arrogant enough to prefer to throw the ball into triple coverage rather than scramble for a first down. no team would do that for Plummer. Plummer could scramble out of harm's way, but that's about it.

i don't want to see Tebow run the ball and take on LBs helmet to helmet. we won't be successful if he has to do that routinely. however, i do want to see us more competitive against top defenses (which we haven't been for some time now). if their gameplan is more complicated because they have to account for Tebow running on any given play, then that's good for us. right now, they prepare for Orton by practicing their sack dances.

TailgateNut
08-17-2011, 07:23 AM
The funny part is...if we go 8-8 with Orton. We're setting our-self up for ****tier draft-picks to grow our team for the future.

If we go Tebow all the way and let him develop like TB did with Freeman two years ago.

Then we will probably go 5-11/6-10, and have some high picks to bolster our DT ranks along with a far more experienced and hopefully much improved Tebow for next year.


I think we should just scuttle the season and let Tebow learn OTJ. The Tebonites will be rejoicing and Jersey sales will be epic until they find out he's "not all that". Then we'll scratch our heads and ask ourselves "wtf did we just do?".Hilarious!

TheReverend
08-17-2011, 07:35 AM
http://marcoponce.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/baphomet1.jpg


Too far, dude

TailgateNut
08-17-2011, 08:13 AM
Who the **** is "dude".

Br0nc0Buster
08-17-2011, 08:28 AM
He has all the tools to be successfull, and for the most part I have thought he has looked pretty good overall

With that said, I think it is quite obvious Kyle Orton knows the offense a lot better and knows where he is going with the ball better than Tebow

That third down play where Orton hit Decker for a big gain, I highly doubt Tebow makes that read and throw that quickly

Tebow just needs time, I think experience is the main reason Orton is above him

He will prolly get a chance this year given Orton is not the most durable guy, but if not I bet he gets next year given Kyles contract is up after this season

TheReverend
08-17-2011, 08:29 AM
Who the **** is "dude".

You're right. Term is probably too modern for you.

I'll try to look up some 40s slang to get on your level.

rbackfactory80
08-17-2011, 08:35 AM
Every year someone on this board goes complete moron. I think this year we have found our guy.

TailgateNut
08-17-2011, 08:53 AM
Every year someone on this board goes complete moron. I think this year we have found our guy.

How sweet. You've the Rev's back. ROFL!

The Moops
08-17-2011, 08:58 AM
I'm not "disappointed" in Tebow at all.

I'm disappointed in the Broncos front office for basically lying to Tebow, telling him they were trading Orton and he would be their guy, then screwing that up -- and promptly doing an about-face, saying Orton has always been #1 on their depth chart.

Let's review what Tebow's been through ... drafted #1 by a young coach who avoided giving Tebow any real game reps his rookie year, then finally having a chance to play at the end of the year -- for another coach -- and showing, despite very few 1st-team reps, that he could play QB in this league ... posting an 82 QB rating (better than Orton's career rating) as a rookie and bringing the team back from 17 points to notch his first victory and first 4th quarter comeback vs Houston, then to be shutout during the offseason despite having another new coach and a new regime ... where he doesn't get a playbook to learn or OTAs to practice with no actual coaching ... and when training camp starts, he's forced to operate like a robot in a ball-control offense (much like Elway was forced to with Reeves) with no plays designed for his incredible improvisational talent ... then have the rug pulled from underneath him by the team doing an about-face and keeping the league's best practice QB ... but still going out despite tons of criticism by "QB experts" Michael Lombardi (a short chubby guy who never played a down) and Merril Hoge (a slow-footed fullback who has been criticized by Rich Gannon as someone who should NOT be analyzing QBs) and proceeds to play better than Orton and put up better numbers in the 1st preseason game.

Really, what has Tebow done except everything asked of him ...??

alkemical
08-17-2011, 09:00 AM
If you're going to ride my ass, at least pull my hair.

that's a great bumper sticker.

Dedhed
08-17-2011, 09:09 AM
Tebow will be the starting QB by week 1...

Fixed

jhns
08-17-2011, 09:13 AM
No, I am dissapointed in the staff that won't play the best QB.

Dedhed
08-17-2011, 09:18 AM
have you ever explained why you don't like Tebow?

He's Catholic.

Inkana7
08-17-2011, 09:35 AM
No, I am dissapointed in the staff that won't play the best QB.

Except they are.

bronclvr
08-17-2011, 09:37 AM
I think we should just scuttle the season and let Tebow learn OTJ.


I am ok with this-it's better than watching Orton playing ping-pong between the twenties-

TailgateNut
08-17-2011, 09:38 AM
He's Catholic.

No I'm not. I was raised in a catholic household but I bought a clue and took off the blinders.:approve:

jhns
08-17-2011, 09:41 AM
Except they are.

Nope.

Kaylore
08-17-2011, 09:42 AM
http://themetapicture.com/media/funny-gif-Puppy-dog-tastes-lime.gif

LOL

Dedhed
08-17-2011, 09:43 AM
No I'm not. I was raised in a catholic household but I bought a clue and took off the blinders.:approve:

Testy...testy!

theAPAOps5
08-17-2011, 09:46 AM
How did I miss this enthralling thread.......:loopy:

gunns
08-17-2011, 09:52 AM
You are making the fatal flaw.. Tebow doesn't have to run as much as he did in college.. he just has to run more than any other QB in the NFL.. and that will be enough. He gives his team an edge they can't match because no one else can do it.. get it?

And Tebow was dramatically underrated as a runner even in college.. because Florida can't get decent runners because they run a finesse system that doesn't work in the NFL (without Tebow).

This is why Tebow is shocking people with his athleticism in the NFL..

Believe it or not.. I don't care.. Tebow will prove it some day somewhere.. Sadly you will probably lie to yourselves and ignore that he could have done it here now if they simply let him.. or if they had the ability to build a system around him.

This almost sounds like you expect him to be Lendale White's replacement. Used to love it when Elway ran, but it's a side deal, not the whole deal. Even Vick improved his game immensely when he learned how to stay in the pocket and throw. That's why I want Tebow to get a lot of experience this year so we can see if he can improve his mechanics and become a QB. Otherwise it'll be a huge argument next draft year of whether to take a QB or DT with the first pick.

Pony Boy
08-17-2011, 09:58 AM
Thread title correction ........

Anybody else dissapointed in TailgateNut?

TheReverend
08-17-2011, 09:58 AM
Thread title correction ........

Anybody else dissapointed in TailgateNut?

No. I was pissed when we drafted him. Because of his religion and because his mother didn't abort him. Crap, I mean that has NOTHING to do with it.

TailgateNut
08-17-2011, 10:04 AM
Thanks guys. You make me feel so important by renaming the thread in my honor.


Isn't it horrible that everyone doesn't feel like you do about your prematurely crowned King Of QB's.

FADERPROOF
08-17-2011, 10:09 AM
CAN WE PLEASE HAVE MORE THREADS ABOUT TEBOW??????

alkemical
08-17-2011, 10:19 AM
Use existing threads bitches!

TailgateNut
08-17-2011, 10:20 AM
CAN WE PLEASE HAVE MORE THREADS ABOUT TEBOW??????


Theey can'r help themselves. Rah,Rah,Rah......Never has there been so much hype about a marginal backup QB

rbackfactory80
08-17-2011, 10:22 AM
How sweet. You've the Rev's back. ROFL!

I might have jumped the gun. You realized I was talking about you. There is more hope than I thought.

jhns
08-17-2011, 10:22 AM
CAN WE PLEASE HAVE MORE THREADS ABOUT TEBOW??????

This is the only active thread about Tebow... Can you cry more?

CEH
08-17-2011, 10:23 AM
Hoge again FWIW

ESPN’s Merril Hoge has staked a claim as the foremost critic of Broncos quarterback Tim Tebow. And if you think Tebow’s 6-for-7, 91-yard preseason performance last week is going to change Hoge’s mind, think again.

Hoge said today that he thinks Tebow’s mechanics are such a mess that there’s simply no turning him into an effective NFL quarterback.

“You’ve got to look at a couple flaws that Tim Tebow had at Florida and still has in the National Football League that I don’t believe ever get better,” Hoge said. “First of all, his delivery is such an elongated motion that you have to have a complete, clear pocket for him to be successful down the field. If you don’t have that, you’re going to struggle.”

In the Broncos’ preseason game against the Cowboys, Tebow completed a 43-yard pass to Matt Willis on a ball that traveled about 50 yards in the air and hit Wills right in the hands, but what Hoge saw was Tebow having all day to pass on the play — and needing it because it takes him so long to get the ball out.

“Yes, he completes it, but that’s a perfect setting,” Hoge said. “In the National Football League, almost 50 percent of all throws are under duress. So you’re not going to have that every time.”

Before last year’s NFL draft, there was a lot of talk about Tebow changing his throwing motion to become more of an NFL-style pocket passer. Hoge says it hasn’t worked, and Tebow’s throwing motion is the same as ever.

“His accuracy really struggles from that elongated motion,” Hoge said. “When you have a guy that elongated in his motion, he’s less accurate, he’s not as quick throwing the football. . . . That entices teams to blitz more. He takes more hits during the course of the game.”

According to Hoge, Tebow has developed so many bad habits as a passer that it’s too late for him to change. And he said that any player on the Broncos can plainly see that Tebow has no business being their starter.

“That will never change — that will always be there,” Hoge said. “If they start Tim Tebow, players are not stupid. That coaching staff will have no respect from the players.”

Borks147
08-17-2011, 10:24 AM
He's Catholic.

Is he? I like him more now, paradoxically enough....

Borks147
08-17-2011, 10:25 AM
Hoge again FWIW

ESPN’s Merril Hoge has staked a claim as the foremost critic of Broncos quarterback Tim Tebow. And if you think Tebow’s 6-for-7, 91-yard preseason performance last week is going to change Hoge’s mind, think again.

Hoge said today that he thinks Tebow’s mechanics are such a mess that there’s simply no turning him into an effective NFL quarterback.

“You’ve got to look at a couple flaws that Tim Tebow had at Florida and still has in the National Football League that I don’t believe ever get better,” Hoge said. “First of all, his delivery is such an elongated motion that you have to have a complete, clear pocket for him to be successful down the field. If you don’t have that, you’re going to struggle.”

In the Broncos’ preseason game against the Cowboys, Tebow completed a 43-yard pass to Matt Willis on a ball that traveled about 50 yards in the air and hit Wills right in the hands, but what Hoge saw was Tebow having all day to pass on the play — and needing it because it takes him so long to get the ball out.

“Yes, he completes it, but that’s a perfect setting,” Hoge said. “In the National Football League, almost 50 percent of all throws are under duress. So you’re not going to have that every time.”

Before last year’s NFL draft, there was a lot of talk about Tebow changing his throwing motion to become more of an NFL-style pocket passer. Hoge says it hasn’t worked, and Tebow’s throwing motion is the same as ever.

“His accuracy really struggles from that elongated motion,” Hoge said. “When you have a guy that elongated in his motion, he’s less accurate, he’s not as quick throwing the football. . . . That entices teams to blitz more. He takes more hits during the course of the game.”

According to Hoge, Tebow has developed so many bad habits as a passer that it’s too late for him to change. And he said that any player on the Broncos can plainly see that Tebow has no business being their starter.

“That will never change — that will always be there,” Hoge said. “If they start Tim Tebow, players are not stupid. That coaching staff will have no respect from the players.”

What a douche.

Gort
08-17-2011, 10:32 AM
What a douche.

if it's any consolation, when Hoge dies, Satan will make him watch the 2nd half of last year's Houston game on an endless loop for all eternity.

alkemical
08-17-2011, 10:33 AM
Hodge is the prototype online poster.

Archer81
08-17-2011, 10:51 AM
1. Why are you posting about crappy players on a crappy team? 2. Don't blame me because I'm not a homer and actually know what is actually worth spending time on.. And besides.. if there weren't so many 3. clueless people who know nothing about Tebow I wouldn't have to straighten them out.. and then I could focus on other aspects..

Oh.. 4. and you are projecting.. LOL


1. Right...

2. You actually have to like the team to be a homer.

3. I suspect what you know about any given topic can be written in it's entirety on this period ---> .

4. No. You are exactly like any sociopath. That's not projection on my part, giggletits. That is a statement of a cold, hard fact. You know, those things you ignore and pretend that dont matter.

:Broncos:

Archer81
08-17-2011, 10:56 AM
No I'm not. I was raised in a catholic household but I bought a clue and took off the blinders.:approve:


To only replace them with a blindfold.


:Broncos:

Gort
08-17-2011, 10:59 AM
has anyone considered that Tebow may be disappointed in us?

Powderaddict
08-17-2011, 11:03 AM
Without reading the 8 pages prior, to answer the thread title,

A little.

I think the lockout really hurt him, immensely. He looked like pretty much where he left off. Some good, some bad, some WTF and some OMG!

I like the kid, a lot, but I’ll trust EFX and their evaluation of him. There’s a lot of football to be played between now and when another QB might be brought in.

TailgateNut
08-17-2011, 11:07 AM
To only replace them with a blindfold.


:Broncos:

actually replace with ear muff, so I don't have to continue listening to fairy tales.

TailgateNut
08-17-2011, 11:08 AM
has anyone considered that Tebow may be disappointed in us?


LOLROFL!Hilarious!

BMF Bronco
08-17-2011, 11:24 AM
has anyone considered that Tebow may be disappointed in us?

Nah that's Orton remember? He doesn't play to please us fans.

TailgateNut
08-17-2011, 11:27 AM
Nah that's Orton remember? He doesn't play to please us fans.

as it should be. He should play to win regardless of all the douche' fans (read Tebonites) in the stadium.

Archer81
08-17-2011, 11:27 AM
actually replace with ear muff, so I don't have to continue listening to fairy tales.


Whatever helps you sleep at night.


:Broncos:

Archer81
08-17-2011, 11:28 AM
as it should be. He should play to win regardless of all the douche' fans (read Tebonites) in the stadium.


When?


:Broncos:

OABB
08-17-2011, 11:30 AM
as it should be. He should play to win regardless of all the douche' fans (read Tebonites) in the stadium.

29043

TailgateNut
08-17-2011, 11:31 AM
29043


Oh, lookee here, it's my puppet! How you been doin' puss'?

OABB
08-17-2011, 11:35 AM
Oh, lookee here, it's my puppet! How you been doin' puss'?

29044

BMF Bronco
08-17-2011, 11:38 AM
as it should be. He should play to win regardless of all the douche' fans (read Tebonites) in the stadium.

Yes of course winning is the key point, and guess what, if you win, the masses will approve of you. He acts like he didn't earn the disrespect, giving up in how many games last year? Come on really bro, if he can win, then he will be liked. Hell people even liked Brian Griese for a spell.

vbplaya
08-17-2011, 11:40 AM
I really wanted to comment on this reply but by the time I got around to it the thread was 8 pages long and wasn't even talking about the subject anymore ... but here is my comment anyway ...

I COMPLETELY agree with the opening comment for this thread:

"I know another Tebow thread right...

I dont know, guess I'm just frustrated because I was banking on him working his tail off and improving is "mechanics" entering camp. I realize it doesnt happen overnight and he didnt have any OTA's, but I wonder what he has been doing all summer. with his wallet and rescources, couldnt he hire a QB coach of a high caliber to help him with footwork and throwing motion.

I know he is hard worker but what the @ell has he been working on...."

He always talks about what a hard worker he is but if that is true ... and he has been told over and over and over again that he needs to work on his mechanics ... why didn't he focus completely on that this off season so that he was prepared. To me, he looks like someone who knew he is the starter and didn't put in the effort to back it up. And as for comments like the ones from Agamemnon where they simply state his stats ... did you even watch the game? He had one good throw (which was the deep one down the middle) but even that throw wasn't in stride ... he had to jump up and back to catch it ... causing him to fall to the ground with no YAC. The other throws were short screen throws outside and a couple simple short throws. Even the quick screen throws outside the reciever had to get vertical to catch it. Nothing was hit in stride and they don't really call plays like that for Tebow ... which also emphisizes the coaching staff's lack it trust in his capabilities. AND if there wasn't a pass interference play ... he would have thrown an interception. I know you'll wanna say that if the reciever hadn't fell down the interception wouldn't have happened but it wasn't his defender that caught it ... it was another defender and he stepped in front of where that reciever would have been.

He also had the most embarrasing play of the week as well ... running 3 yards past the line of scrimmage ... coming back and then throwing it resulting in 3 penalties on one play.

Another thing I noticed about the difference between Tebow and the other QBs is that the whole offensive play gets slowed a split second when Tebow is under center. Watch the game footage and you'll see that Tebow always takes a second to come out from the center with the ball (even bobbling the snap a couple times). This split second slows the play down and even on handoffs ... causes a slight hesitation for the HB who is waiting for the ball ... and the blockers trying to hold their blocks.

My point is this ... Tebow has not shown himself capable ... AND one of the main reasons we got him is because of his work ethic and he hasn't really shown to me that he really has that either. To simply quote his stats is irrelevant because of how those numbers were produced ... they weren't impressive throws that were on time, on target or with any difficulty. They were also against the 2nd string and he didn't show me he is capable of doing the job.

Everyone harps on his "it" factor ... sure he tries hard on the field ... but he needs to do that off the field (which I haven't seen). And my sister can try her ass off to win a game out there as QB ... but it doesn't mean she's going to win just because of her effort ... you got to have talent ... and I DON'T see that in Tebow.

Every couple years we as fans in Denver chase out a QB and demand another be played ... only to find out he can't do it either and then the cycle begins again. I'm sorry ... but to me ... the Broncos organization needs to stop listening to the fans and let the coaches make the decisions because they are the ones who know what is best for the team. Fans want the quick fix and they don't know how that effects the team. They are talking about how Denver is almost forced to start Tebow because of the fans calling for him and his jersey sales ... as long as they continue to be swayed by the fans we'll continue to be near the bottom. Tebow is not ready ... and I seriously doubt he ever will be ... Orton isn't great but if we had a better line in front of him and he had just a second or two more to make decisions on 3rd downs (which are typically blitzing downs) ... he may surprise everyone.

Sorry for this being so long ... but I am very passionate about our Broncos and can't help myself sometimes.

errand
08-17-2011, 11:46 AM
The guy went 6 of 7 for 91 yards behind a line that couldn't block Peewee Herman. I really don't get what there is to be disappointed about. Unless you thought a guy, in his second year, that didn't have an off-season to work with his coaches, was just going to be an all-pro. Of course then the problem really isn't Tebow, it's your expectations, isn't it?

Having high expectations for NCAA's greatest player and 1st round pick should be high....but his footwork and mechanics are lacking at this time....like he said good thing Fox isn't an idiot and kept Orton

Rock Chalk
08-17-2011, 12:04 PM
The sole negative of having Tebow on the roster is picking up "fans" like MacGruder.

...


:Broncos:

Him and Agamemnon aren't Bronco fans. Like beckyj4, that cutlerfan douche and many others throughout the years, they will be gone when Tebow is gone.

Whether thats in a year, 2 years or 15. They are not Bronco fans and its best to not discuss **** with the ****faces.

theAPAOps5
08-17-2011, 12:04 PM
has anyone considered that Tebow may be disappointed in us?

I think so, I been waking up depressed lately feeling like I let Tebow down. He must be speaking to me!

Dedhed
08-17-2011, 12:05 PM
He should play to win regardless of all the douche' fans.

If he managed that, I think fans would be fine with him at QB. He's given us nothing to hope for thus far in his Denver career to think he's capable of that.

MacGruder
08-17-2011, 12:08 PM
This almost sounds like you expect him to be Lendale White's replacement. Used to love it when Elway ran, but it's a side deal, not the whole deal. Even Vick improved his game immensely when he learned how to stay in the pocket and throw. That's why I want Tebow to get a lot of experience this year so we can see if he can improve his mechanics and become a QB. Otherwise it'll be a huge argument next draft year of whether to take a QB or DT with the first pick.


"Steve Young just called Tebow "Greatness we are watching"
He basically all but guaranteed Tebow will be great, win a lot of games, and will change the position as we know it. When asked about Tebow his first response was "Tim Tebow is greatness" and if someone builds on the offense we are running with him he would be the only guy to run this "new" scheme and thus become great with his unique skill set whether is running or passing the ball."

Dedhed
08-17-2011, 12:20 PM
I was raised in a catholic household but I bought a clue and took off the blinders...
...to realize that it wasn't a joystick you were holding? That explains a lot, actually.

Agamemnon
08-17-2011, 12:23 PM
Him and Agamemnon aren't Bronco fans. Like beckyj4, that cutlerfan douche and many others throughout the years, they will be gone when Tebow is gone.

Whether thats in a year, 2 years or 15. They are not Bronco fans and its best to not discuss **** with the ****faces.

I've been a Broncos fan since 1986 a-hole (before Tebow was even born). Hell that's just when my memories kick in. I was probably watching the Broncos long before then. Once again there you go talking about **** you know nothing about.

OBF1
08-17-2011, 12:25 PM
I am not disappointed

MacGruder
08-17-2011, 12:29 PM
Him and Agamemnon aren't Bronco fans. Like beckyj4, that cutlerfan douche and many others throughout the years, they will be gone when Tebow is gone.

Whether thats in a year, 2 years or 15. They are not Bronco fans and its best to not discuss **** with the ****faces.

Do you know that "fan" means fanatic...

I'm not a fanatic of laundry.. and you think that's a bad thing?

If Tebow wasn't a great player I would have no reason to be a "fan" of him..

Beantown Bronco
08-17-2011, 12:29 PM
I'm disappointed in him for all the A+ talent he supposedly ignored in Florida and still apparently ignores today. Is he auditioning for the lead role in 40 year old virgin 2 or what?

MacGruder
08-17-2011, 12:52 PM
I'm disappointed in him for all the A+ talent he supposedly ignored in Florida and still apparently ignores today. Is he auditioning for the lead role in 40 year old virgin 2 or what?

Someone should have staged an intervention.. lol

I imagine him waking up in his 50s when he is bald and bloating up and screaming "nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo" as all the insane hotties he could have had flash before his eyes.

broncocalijohn
08-17-2011, 12:52 PM
Do you know that "fan" means fanatic...

I'm not a fanatic of laundry.. and you think that's a bad thing?

If Tebow wasn't a great player I would have no reason to be a "fan" of him..

Hey Dip****, stop repeating the same crap. We have a trunk in our car but it isnt really a trunk. When they started making cars, it had a huge trunk on the bumper. We use words that might not make sense now as it did years ago. There are fans and fanatics.

Gort
08-17-2011, 12:57 PM
Hey Dip****, stop repeating the same crap. We have a trunk in our car but it isnt really a trunk. When they started making cars, it had a huge trunk on the bumper. We use words that might not make sense now as it did years ago. There are fans and fanatics.

...so "Fan" isn't short for "Mr. Fancypants"?

???

MacGruder
08-17-2011, 01:03 PM
Hey Dip****, stop repeating the same crap. We have a trunk in our car but it isnt really a trunk. When they started making cars, it had a huge trunk on the bumper. We use words that might not make sense now as it did years ago. There are fans and fanatics.

But that is what you expect of people.. to be fanatics of laundry... how do you become a "fan" anyway.. it doesn't happen overnight.

rbackfactory80
08-17-2011, 01:19 PM
I'm disappointed in him for all the A+ talent he supposedly ignored in Florida and still apparently ignores today. Is he auditioning for the lead role in 40 year old virgin 2 or what?


The Broncos are pure. We will have the first ever virgin Superbowl winner. :tebow:

McDman
08-17-2011, 01:35 PM
I really wanted to comment on this reply but by the time I got around to it the thread was 8 pages long and wasn't even talking about the subject anymore ... but here is my comment anyway ...

I COMPLETELY agree with the opening comment for this thread:

"I know another Tebow thread right...

I dont know, guess I'm just frustrated because I was banking on him working his tail off and improving is "mechanics" entering camp. I realize it doesnt happen overnight and he didnt have any OTA's, but I wonder what he has been doing all summer. with his wallet and rescources, couldnt he hire a QB coach of a high caliber to help him with footwork and throwing motion.

I know he is hard worker but what the @ell has he been working on...."

He always talks about what a hard worker he is but if that is true ... and he has been told over and over and over again that he needs to work on his mechanics ... why didn't he focus completely on that this off season so that he was prepared. To me, he looks like someone who knew he is the starter and didn't put in the effort to back it up. And as for comments like the ones from Agamemnon where they simply state his stats ... did you even watch the game? He had one good throw (which was the deep one down the middle) but even that throw wasn't in stride ... he had to jump up and back to catch it ... causing him to fall to the ground with no YAC. The other throws were short screen throws outside and a couple simple short throws. Even the quick screen throws outside the reciever had to get vertical to catch it. Nothing was hit in stride and they don't really call plays like that for Tebow ... which also emphisizes the coaching staff's lack it trust in his capabilities. AND if there wasn't a pass interference play ... he would have thrown an interception. I know you'll wanna say that if the reciever hadn't fell down the interception wouldn't have happened but it wasn't his defender that caught it ... it was another defender and he stepped in front of where that reciever would have been.

He also had the most embarrasing play of the week as well ... running 3 yards past the line of scrimmage ... coming back and then throwing it resulting in 3 penalties on one play.

Another thing I noticed about the difference between Tebow and the other QBs is that the whole offensive play gets slowed a split second when Tebow is under center. Watch the game footage and you'll see that Tebow always takes a second to come out from the center with the ball (even bobbling the snap a couple times). This split second slows the play down and even on handoffs ... causes a slight hesitation for the HB who is waiting for the ball ... and the blockers trying to hold their blocks.

My point is this ... Tebow has not shown himself capable ... AND one of the main reasons we got him is because of his work ethic and he hasn't really shown to me that he really has that either. To simply quote his stats is irrelevant because of how those numbers were produced ... they weren't impressive throws that were on time, on target or with any difficulty. They were also against the 2nd string and he didn't show me he is capable of doing the job.

Everyone harps on his "it" factor ... sure he tries hard on the field ... but he needs to do that off the field (which I haven't seen). And my sister can try her ass off to win a game out there as QB ... but it doesn't mean she's going to win just because of her effort ... you got to have talent ... and I DON'T see that in Tebow.

Every couple years we as fans in Denver chase out a QB and demand another be played ... only to find out he can't do it either and then the cycle begins again. I'm sorry ... but to me ... the Broncos organization needs to stop listening to the fans and let the coaches make the decisions because they are the ones who know what is best for the team. Fans want the quick fix and they don't know how that effects the team. They are talking about how Denver is almost forced to start Tebow because of the fans calling for him and his jersey sales ... as long as they continue to be swayed by the fans we'll continue to be near the bottom. Tebow is not ready ... and I seriously doubt he ever will be ... Orton isn't great but if we had a better line in front of him and he had just a second or two more to make decisions on 3rd downs (which are typically blitzing downs) ... he may surprise everyone.

Sorry for this being so long ... but I am very passionate about our Broncos and can't help myself sometimes.

That's well said and the point I was trying to make. I want him to succeed but it is going to be harder for him than any other quarterback, that's why it upset me he didn't get as much help as possible during the off season.

I still don't think the front office really cares whether he succeeds or not. I just can't imagine they were putting all this work into by hiring a wide receivers coach to be the qb guy.

MacGruder
08-17-2011, 01:40 PM
That's well said and the point I was trying to make. I want him to succeed but it is going to be harder for him than any other quarterback,

"Steve Young just called Tebow "Greatness we are watching"
He basically all but guaranteed Tebow will be great, win a lot of games, and will change the position as we know it. When asked about Tebow his first response was "Tim Tebow is greatness" and if someone builds on the offense we are running with him he would be the only guy to run this "new" scheme and thus become great with his unique skill set whether is running or passing the bowl."

vancejohnson82
08-17-2011, 01:48 PM
"Steve Young just called Tebow "Greatness we are watching"
He basically all but guaranteed Tebow will be great, win a lot of games, and will change the position as we know it. When asked about Tebow his first response was "Tim Tebow is greatness" and if someone builds on the offense we are running with him he would be the only guy to run this "new" scheme and thus become great with his unique skill set whether is running or passing the bowl."

oh good...you reposted this....I was hoping to read it again

DBroncos4life
08-17-2011, 01:51 PM
I guess Ill never understand peoples huge rush to get Tebow on the field. There wasnt a player hurt more by the lock out then Tebow. When he is ready he will play. If this team is really has money problems there is no way we wouldnt want this cash cow to be a sucess in the NFL.

DBroncos4life
08-17-2011, 01:53 PM
Does amyone know what Steve Young thought about Tebow the first time he watched him play?

McDman
08-17-2011, 01:55 PM
I guess Ill never understand peoples huge rush to get Tebow on the field. There wasnt a player hurt more by the lock out then Tebow. When he is ready he will play. If this team is really has money problems there is no way we wouldnt want this cash cow to be a sucess in the NFL.

I wouldn't mind if we sat him for two more years and let him learn.

Does amyone know what Steve Young thought about Tebow the first time he watched him play?

I'm not positive but I don't think he was impressed.

Agamemnon
08-17-2011, 01:57 PM
I guess Ill never understand peoples huge rush to get Tebow on the field. There wasnt a player hurt more by the lock out then Tebow. When he is ready he will play. If this team is really has money problems there is no way we wouldnt want this cash cow to be a sucess in the NFL.

It's about more than rushing Tebow on to the field. It's about rushing Orton off of it.

MacGruder
08-17-2011, 01:57 PM
Sorry to keep interrupting your delusions with the reality of the situation... the problem isn't Tebow.. it isn't his mechanics.. it's that fox and company can't or won't adapt to their unique talent. If Bill Bellichick did the same Tom Brady might not even be in the league right now. This is why Mallet and colt McCoy looked so great in their debuts this season..

Great coaches can adapt to unique talents to get the max from them.

baja
08-17-2011, 01:58 PM
I think the problem with Tebow's progress is he got laid this summer and has a new past time.

DBroncos4life
08-17-2011, 02:01 PM
I wouldn't mind if we sat him for two more years and let him learn.



I'm not positive but I don't think he was impressed.

Two years is a bit much. A full off season wouldnt hurt him much. Hell McCoy called up Favre and got some work in with him. Maybe Tebow can call up Young and work with him.

DBroncos4life
08-17-2011, 02:07 PM
It's about more than rushing Tebow on to the field. It's about rushing Orton off of it.

We are not a good team right now anyways. The team (players) want Orton starting for whatever reason so they are going to get him.

Beantown Bronco
08-17-2011, 02:07 PM
"Steve Young just called Tebow "Greatness we are watching"
He basically all but guaranteed Tebow will be great, win a lot of games, and will change the position as we know it. When asked about Tebow his first response was "Tim Tebow is greatness" and if someone builds on the offense we are running with him he would be the only guy to run this "new" scheme and thus become great with his unique skill set whether is running or passing the bowl."

To be fair, you are constantly quoting a guy whose middle name is brainbruise.

Kaylore
08-17-2011, 02:19 PM
I guess Ill never understand peoples huge rush to get Tebow on the field.

I don't either. I suppose they figure we're not going anywhere with Orton so why waste the time? I would argue that Tebow is still not ready to play even as a learning on the job type of player and needs another year to mature.

FADERPROOF
08-17-2011, 02:26 PM
This is the only active thread about Tebow... Can you cry more?

Good idea! How about everyone on the board start their own personal thread about their personal feelings on tim tebow!!

Only active thread?? There have been hundreds of tebow threads since camp started, this place is cluttered with them.

And im crying about it? TJ has to be thrilled that his board has turned into nothing but insult posts to one another because dare someone has a different opinion on something.

DBroncos4life
08-17-2011, 02:28 PM
I don't either. I suppose they figure we're not going anywhere with Orton so why waste the time? I would argue that Tebow is still not ready to play even as a learning on the job type of player and needs another year to mature.

I agree we are going anywhere with Orton. I dont think we will win anymore games with Tebow this year either. Ive yet to read about how a QBs career was ruined by sitting and learning for a few seasons.

errand
08-17-2011, 02:35 PM
Players that choose Orton as their leader are losers. As long as that is the kind of player that composes our roster we will never be anything more than mediocre.

Of all the crappy things that have happened during this off-season, the reports that this team actually wants Orton as their QB are the most disheartening. The guy is not a leader. The guy is not a fierce competitor. The guy is just some dude that shows up and tries not to mess things up.

Clearly this team needs a drastic shift in culture, because right now they seem to prefer to mediocrity over a truly intense competitive spirit. That's the only explanation for actively wanting Orton as their QB. Especially over Tebow.

So if players like champ bailey .....d. j. williams.... or brandon lloyd supported kyle orton then they too are losers correct?

errand
08-17-2011, 02:41 PM
This guy can be a real idiot sometimes but he is dead on right here.. when he plays he does well. People are just conditioned to think because he does things different it isn't right.. The NFL is full of show ponies.

Quite frankly the only thing I see that tim tebow does better than kyle orton is run with the ball.... he's not as accurate as orton with the ball and he doesn't have command of the offense like kyle orton does.... so why make a change for a guy that just runs better it doesn't make sense

tsiguy96
08-17-2011, 02:42 PM
can someone explain why baja is still posting under both screen names?

fontaine
08-17-2011, 02:43 PM
Sorry to keep interrupting your delusions with the reality of the situation... the problem isn't Tebow.. it isn't his mechanics.. it's that fox and company can't or won't adapt to their unique talent. If Bill Bellichick did the same Tom Brady might not even be in the league right now. This is why Mallet and colt McCoy looked so great in their debuts this season..

Great coaches can adapt to unique talents to get the max from them.

Wow, so the same coaching staff/FO that was all set to hand over the reigns to Tebow a few days ago when the Orton trade was all but done, have now done a complete U-turn and can't/won't adapt to Tebow.

Wait, . . . what?

oubronco
08-17-2011, 02:44 PM
I think the problem with Tebow's progress is he got laid this summer and has a new past time.

As long as he don't go all Britney Spears with it he'll be fine

oubronco
08-17-2011, 02:46 PM
can someone explain why baja is still posting under both screen names?

One of the mystery's of the universe

errand
08-17-2011, 02:58 PM
I am talking about how Tebow approaches the QB position.. Tebow won MORE in college with those horrible mechanics.. that is why he never had to change them before. It was his commitment to being a passer that made him better than guys like Vick and Young.. Cam too. ou say it's some massive hardon.. it's you guys critical of Tebow that are the one snot in touch with reality.. people criticizing Tebow have ti completely backwards. Cam Newton is heralded and Tebow trashed.. it makes absolutely no sense whatsover.. simply because Cam LOOKS more ike a QB.. simply because Tebow doesn't "look like a conventional QB. It's all BS.. QBs are show ponies now days more concerned with looking good fetaling than actually trying to win games..



Again.. I am talking about his commitment to the game.. you are talking about how he "looks". Vick wasn't accurate coming in the league either.. and Tebow was a better runner in the games he played than Vick and is more durable in and out of the pocket.

Vick had things he needed to work on that may have HURT him as a player early but helped him in the long run.. Tebow is taking that hit now to be the best he can be.. and idiots that don't get it are trashing him for it rather than praising him for dong what the other guys wouldn't...

He is even being punished now for winning at the college level rather than just going there to learn his "fundmentals" and become a show pony conditioned to look good losing like guys like Orton..
So you're claiming that tim tebow is being punished.... punished by who? Do you think this is another peyton hillis conspiracy? Do you really think that the coaches are not playing the allegedly more talented tim tebow over the allegedly inferior kyle orton on purpose?

errand
08-17-2011, 03:01 PM
In other words, you want him to play like a veteran when he's not.

Oh and get back to me when Orton can do more than half those things with any consistency.

I know you don't believe this but kyle orton is capable of making every nfl throw..... he may not have a cannon for an arm but it's good enough to make every nfl throw

oubronco
08-17-2011, 03:02 PM
So you're claiming that tim tebow is being punished.... punished by who? Do you think this is another peyton hillis conspiracy? Do you really think that the coaches are not playing the allegedly more talented tim tebow over the allegedly inferior kyle orton on purpose?

Yes in his bat shyt crazy mind he believes this to be true

OBF1
08-17-2011, 03:04 PM
One of the mystery's of the universe

I did not know she had 2 screen names... what is the other?

jhns
08-17-2011, 03:05 PM
Good idea! How about everyone on the board start their own personal thread about their personal feelings on tim tebow!!

Only active thread?? There have been hundreds of tebow threads since camp started, this place is cluttered with them.

And im crying about it? TJ has to be thrilled that his board has turned into nothing but insult posts to one another because dare someone has a different opinion on something.

I guess the answer is yes...

errand
08-17-2011, 03:08 PM
A lot has changed. That offense looked very different from McD's in many ways. It's not a completely different playbook, but I'm pretty sure he's having to work on and learn things that weren't really part of the offense last year.

Oh and kyle orton and brady quinn are not having to work on the same stuff? If there are new plays in the playbook that makes sense that all 3 quarterbacks have to work on it