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TheReverend
08-18-2011, 10:20 AM
Yeah, it kind of makes you look dumb when a marine is completely contradicting what you say, all while you call me an idiot for being right.

A Marine?

Where? That link was about a one-eyed Marine finishing sniper school. Completely supports what I've been saying.

MacGruder
08-18-2011, 10:23 AM
22 years of doing things one way vs. 1.5 years of doing things another.

He's never had fundamentals forced upon him. He's now embraced them and is working towards making the necessary improvement, but it isn't going to happen overnight and he has to step out of his comfort zone to grow, which appears like regression at first pass.

He didn't NEED to change anything because he was the most dominant college player ever. He probably could have dominated the NFL just off sheer ability as well.. but they seem to be looking long term.. plus his potential raises higher with optimized fundamentals.

If he could do what he did without proper fundamentals imagine what he can do with them...

DBroncos4life
08-18-2011, 10:25 AM
A Marine?

Where? That link was about a one-eyed Marine finishing sniper school. Completely supports what I've been saying.

I think Jhns got shot in his eye once or twice...the BROWN eye.

jhns
08-18-2011, 10:29 AM
A Marine?

Where? That link was about a one-eyed Marine finishing sniper school. Completely supports what I've been saying.

You clearly didn't read it...



Many readers , pistol, rifleand shotgun shootersamongstthem mightsay- ”well, sowhat, he just needs one eye to look into the scope anyway.” In fact,snipersdo work with spotters to help dissect out the landscape. Somehow all these readers have forgotten the basic premise of combat shooting and vision, or have chosen to ignore the ugly truth-you are told to shoot with both eyes open!

TheReverend
08-18-2011, 10:35 AM
You clearly didn't read it...

Clearly YOU didn't read it.

Many readers , pistol, rifleand shotgun shootersamongstthem mightsay- ”well, sowhat, he just needs one eye to look into the scope anyway.” In fact,snipersdo work with spotters to help dissect out the landscape. Somehow all these readers have forgotten the basic premise of combat shooting and vision, or have chosen to ignore the ugly truth-you are told to shoot with both eyes open!

Still waiting for:

Yeah, it kind of makes you look dumb when a marine is completely contradicting what you say, all while you call me an idiot for being right.

"Decades ago , I received my first official pistol, shotgun and rifle shooting instruction in the US Amy, to be followed by decades of police training."

You sure are smart. PS. What is a US Amy?

Here's even pictures of this extremely credible blogger shooting pistol with one eye closed:

http://www.hockscqc.com/articles/binocular-monocular/eye_matrix1.jpg

http://www.hockscqc.com/articles/binocular-monocular/eye_matrix2.jpg

And then the best part:

"In Conclusion

Shooting with both eyes open is a no-brainer for close-up searching and combat. What is close or near to you, may be different for someone else's set of eyes. Everyone is different. Needing the sights for moderate and distant targets bring about challenges for the same-side dominant shooter and even more so for the cross-dominant shooter"

So he's saying both eyes open is for searching and a wider perspective while one eye is for actual accuracy.

Cliffs:

-Thanks for linking supporting evidence for ME.
-You're ****ing stupid.

TailgateNut
08-18-2011, 10:38 AM
Here's an analogy which fits TimBoy.


I can compare him to house hunting.

So you think you've found the right house. You're willing to spend the money, you saw the ad/flyer and have reviewed the MLS listing which promises a home in a desired neighborhood of nice homes, the photos look great, and the narrative speaks of all the right things. So, you set up an appointment to see "the place".
As you walk up, you notice some minor imperfections and you toss them aside with a quick "who cares", then you enter and notice all the flaws, the floors are marginal/ builder quality, the kitchen is in dire need of updating as are the bathrooms, the place hasn't been properly cleaned in eons, and the basement was finished by a schizophrenic. You run the numbers and realize to get this home up to standards you'll end up spending more than the "upgraded" sales value and have to deal with months, if not years of disruption without any guarantee of return.

Is it worth the price? No
Is it worth the effort? No
Could it be a good investment considering the effort required to get it up to par? Maybe, but not guaranteed.
Do you buy? Not, unless you have lost your mind and have listened to all the BS from the realtor.

Timmy is that house with the shiny exterior but with multiple flaws. Too bad someone decided to buy rather than keep looking for better value and quality.

theAPAOps5
08-18-2011, 10:39 AM
This thread is like a Shakespeare play put on by two year olds. It is all over the place!

MacGruder
08-18-2011, 10:39 AM
umm..what?

Wouldn't a helicopter that's not anti-gravity be called something else? Like a truck?

This comment is just retarded.. and then TheRev's response was even more retarded.. lol

jhns
08-18-2011, 10:40 AM
Clearly YOU didn't read it.



Still waiting for:



"Decades ago , I received my first official pistol, shotgun and rifle shooting instruction in the US Amy, to be followed by decades of police training."

You sure are smart. PS. What is a US Amy?

Here's even pictures of this extremely credible blogger shooting pistol with one eye closed:

http://www.hockscqc.com/articles/binocular-monocular/eye_matrix1.jpg

http://www.hockscqc.com/articles/binocular-monocular/eye_matrix2.jpg

And then the best part:

"In Conclusion

Shooting with both eyes open is a no-brainer for close-up searching and combat. What is close or near to you, may be different for someone else's set of eyes. Everyone is different. Needing the sights for moderate and distant targets bring about challenges for the same-side dominant shooter and even more so for the cross-dominant shooter"

So he's saying both eyes open is for searching and a wider perspective while one eye is for actual accuracy.

Cliffs:

-Thanks for linking supporting evidence for ME.
-You're ****ing stupid.

I'm stupid for knowing the proper way to shoot? Just because most don't shoot properly, as explained by that guy, doesn't mean it isn't true...

He said exactly what I claimed multiple times now.

Aside from you not knowing the basics of shooting, you are an idiot for thinking that posters dad is a sniper... Who instantly thinks others are snipers the second they talk about shooting?

TheReverend
08-18-2011, 10:43 AM
I'm stupid for knowing the proper way to shoot? Just because most don't shoot properly, as explained by that guy, doesn't mean it isn't true...

He said exactly what I claimed multiple times now.

Not at all. You're stupid for not being able to understand what you're reading.

Aside from you not knowing the basics of shooting, you are an idiot for thinking that posters dad is a sniper... Who instantly thinks others are snipers the second they talk about shooting?

...What? Try writing coherent sentences please.

jhns
08-18-2011, 10:47 AM
Not at all. You're stupid for not being able to understand what you're reading.



...What? Try writing coherent sentences please.

I don't understand? He says exactly what I said...

Sure, I can dumb it down for you. This started because a poster was talking about how his dad shoots. I mentioned the proper way to shoot. You claim I am wrong because snipers shoot with one eye closed, even though that isn't the proper way to shoot any other gun. In other words, you are claiming that guys dad is a sniper... Why else would you think he needs to shoot like one?

bowtown
08-18-2011, 10:48 AM
I'm ready for the Bert face!

TailgateNut
08-18-2011, 10:54 AM
This is gonna be entertaining. Jhizz who thinks he's always right and the Rev who thinks he's always right.

TheReverend
08-18-2011, 10:55 AM
I don't understand? He says exactly what I said...

Sure, I can dumb it down for you. This started because a poster was talking about how his dad shoots. I mentioned the proper way to shoot. You claim I am wrong because snipers shoot with one eye closed, even though that isn't the proper way to shoot any other gun. In other words, you are claiming that guys dad is a sniper... Why else would you think he needs to shoot like one?

So let me get this straight:

You think all the scout snipers and rifle team guys I've posted pics of are doing it wrong?

On what basis?

Here's what you've posted to refute it:

-A blog by this guy:

http://www.hockscqc.com/bio/HockinBudoMagazine.jpg

Who's qualifications are martial arts and NOT shooting related:

http://www.hockscqc.com/bio/index.htm

Who has pictures up of shooting even pistols that support what I've been saying:

http://www.hockscqc.com/articles/binocular-monocular/eye_matrix1.jpg

http://www.hockscqc.com/articles/binocular-monocular/eye_matrix2.jpg

Has a page long entry on how both eyes open is for peripheral vision and visual acuity.

Conclusion:

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/tumblr_l9lgi6vkKr1qzx2fh.gif

TheReverend
08-18-2011, 10:59 AM
This is gonna be entertaining. Jhizz who thinks he's always right and the Rev who thinks he's always right.

Meh. That's pretty wrong. Happy to admit when I'm wrong and be corrected and always rep the person who corrected me.

Just happened the other day with HAT:

Yeesh. Fair enough. I thought the Giants and Jaguars were much better on defense than that!

Repped for correcting.

Regardless, do you think Rex played poorly or not?


The problem is, so rarely am I wrong that there isn't much to correct. :)

jhns
08-18-2011, 11:03 AM
So let me get this straight:

You think all the scout snipers and rifle team guys I've posted pics of are doing it wrong?

On what basis?

Here's what you've posted to refute it:

-A blog by this guy:

http://www.hockscqc.com/bio/HockinBudoMagazine.jpg

Who's qualifications are martial arts and NOT shooting related:

http://www.hockscqc.com/bio/index.htm

Who has pictures up of shooting even pistols that support what I've been saying:

http://www.hockscqc.com/articles/binocular-monocular/eye_matrix1.jpg

http://www.hockscqc.com/articles/binocular-monocular/eye_matrix2.jpg

Has a page long entry on how both eyes open is for peripheral vision and visual acuity.

Conclusion:

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/tumblr_l9lgi6vkKr1qzx2fh.gif

Army and police training = not quified to Rev...

I just looked through about twenty sites on google and every sinfle one says the same thing. Every time this was asked in forums, the responses were the same. Both eyes open is proper. It is also harder to learn, which is why a lot don't do it. One site was tips from a Top Shot guy and he claimed the military doesn't teach it because it is harder to learn and they want as many people as possible to qualify in shooting.

I would love for you to find a single person that backs you. I'm not finding any...

TheReverend
08-18-2011, 11:09 AM
Army and police training = not quified to Rev...

I just looked through about twenty sites on google and every sinfle one says the same thing. Every time this was asked in forums, the responses were the same. Both eyes open is proper. It is also harder to learn, which is why a lot don't do it. One site was tips from a Top Shot guy and he claimed the military doesn't teach it because it is harder to learn and they want as many people as possible to qualify in shooting.

I would love for you to find a single person that backs you. I'm not finding any...

Holy **** are you kidding me?

Reinstall firefox because I'm pretty sure pics aren't loading for you.

strafen
08-18-2011, 11:09 AM
The OP question that started this thread was...
Anybody else dissapointed in Tebow?

Now, my own question is...WTF?!!! ROFL!

jhns
08-18-2011, 11:14 AM
you are told to shoot with both eyes open!

Of course this guy is saying the same thing as you Rev...

Oh wait, you still have yet to find anyone that agrees with you...

TheReverend
08-18-2011, 11:30 AM
Of course this guy is saying the same thing as you Rev...

Oh wait, you still have yet to find anyone that agrees with you...

Holy **** you're as dumb as people claimed you were...

Mogulseeker
08-18-2011, 11:32 AM
Quick question:

Wasn't John Fox interested in Tebow in 2009 and was rumored to be willing to pick him with a high second?

jhns
08-18-2011, 11:38 AM
Holy **** you're as dumb as people claimed you were...

Says the guy that has no one to back him. When I get home, I will copy/paste everything that I have found from simple google searches. Again, every single site backs exactly what I am saying. Rev knows better than anyone though because he has a couple pictures! It is really funny seeing you try to claim that a guy who says you are supposed to shoot with both eyes open, is backing you...

I do like the insults though. I am a liar and idiot for onowing what I am talking about... Funny stuff.

No one agrees with you but you just know you are right... You just can't make this up...

vancejohnson82
08-18-2011, 11:44 AM
TheRev vs. Jhizz

Two men enter....two men

ummmm....

eventually don't leave?

PRBronco
08-18-2011, 11:47 AM
Quick question:

Wasn't John Fox interested in Tebow in 2009 and was rumored to be willing to pick him with a high second?

Yes, but that's not nearly as juicy as writing about how no one in the building likes Tim, so no one mentions it.

TheReverend
08-18-2011, 11:50 AM
Says the guy that has no one to back him. When I get home, I will copy/paste everything that I have found from simple google searches. Again, every single site backs exactly what I am saying. Rev knows better than anyone though because he has a couple pictures! It is really funny seeing you try to claim that a guy who says you are supposed to shoot with both eyes open, is backing you...

I do like the insults though. I am a liar and idiot for onowing what I am talking about... Funny stuff.

No one agrees with you but you just know you are right... You just can't make this up...

I think you might be retarded.

Seriously.


Rifle team:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5050/5224423795_92f3132f8c.jpg

Scout snipers:

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/xml/news/2010/04/marine_sr21_042610w/042710_marines_new_m40_800.JPG

http://www.visualintel.net/Marines/People/Marines-Scout-Sniper/080703-M-4939F-008/495423902_QcrKz-L.jpg

http://www.visualintel.net/Marines/People/Marines-Scout-Sniper/090318-M-0381-003/495427371_NfUXF-L.jpg

http://www.visualintel.net/Marines/People/Marines-Scout-Sniper/080617-M-4003C-256/495423236_SYkNN-L.jpg

Your OWN link:

http://www.hockscqc.com/articles/binocular-monocular/eye_matrix1.jpg

http://www.hockscqc.com/articles/binocular-monocular/eye_matrix2.jpg

Very excited for more amateur copy and pastes from you though!

Nebraska Gun Club Rulez so hard they use a "Z"

jhns
08-18-2011, 12:15 PM
I think you might be retarded.

Seriously.


Rifle team:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5050/5224423795_92f3132f8c.jpg

Scout snipers:

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/xml/news/2010/04/marine_sr21_042610w/042710_marines_new_m40_800.JPG

http://www.visualintel.net/Marines/People/Marines-Scout-Sniper/080703-M-4939F-008/495423902_QcrKz-L.jpg

http://www.visualintel.net/Marines/People/Marines-Scout-Sniper/090318-M-0381-003/495427371_NfUXF-L.jpg

http://www.visualintel.net/Marines/People/Marines-Scout-Sniper/080617-M-4003C-256/495423236_SYkNN-L.jpg

Your OWN link:

http://www.hockscqc.com/articles/binocular-monocular/eye_matrix1.jpg

http://www.hockscqc.com/articles/binocular-monocular/eye_matrix2.jpg

Very excited for more amateur copy and pastes from you though!

Nebraska Gun Club Rulez so hard they use a "Z"

You can't really be this dumb. Just because some close an eye, doesn't mean they are doing it right. I can show you QBs in the NFL that don't use proper mechanics. That doesn't mean their flawed mechanics are now the correct way of doing it.

Again, you have yet to show a single person that agrees with you. There were multiple people in this thread that agree with me. Every single website that I can find through google searches agree with me. Rev doesn't care, he knows more than everyone.

It is pretty sad that a pro like you doesn't even understand the basics.

gunns
08-18-2011, 12:30 PM
He didn't NEED to change anything because he was the most dominant college player ever. He probably could have dominated the NFL just off sheer ability as well.. but they seem to be looking long term.. plus his potential raises higher with optimized fundamentals.

If he could do what he did without proper fundamentals imagine what he can do with them...

He had a coach in college that could get the most out of a QB for his college team to fool the NFL...see Alex Smith. I'm thinking the NFL isn't falling for it again and is taking a closer look at those fundamentals.

TheReverend
08-18-2011, 12:40 PM
You can't really be this dumb. Just because some close an eye, doesn't mean they are doing it right. I can show you QBs in the NFL that don't use proper mechanics. That doesn't mean their flawed mechanics are now the correct way of doing it.

Okay... so you think scout snipers are taught wrong? Or they're the best shooters on the face of the planet... but they do it wrong?

Idiot.

Again, you have yet to show a single person that agrees with you. There were multiple people in this thread that agree with me. Every single website that I can find through google searches agree with me. Rev doesn't care, he knows more than everyone.

Actually, no one agreed with you...

And your own sourced website blog didn't agree with you either if you read the quotes I linked earlier.

...but you didn't even read that site, did you?

It is pretty sad that a pro like you doesn't even understand the basics.

Keep up the great work!

jhns
08-18-2011, 01:07 PM
Okay... so you think scout snipers are taught wrong? Or they're the best shooters on the face of the planet... but they do it wrong?

Idiot.



Actually, no one agreed with you...

And your own sourced website blog didn't agree with you either if you read the quotes I linked earlier.

...but you didn't even read that site, did you?



Keep up the great work!

Yes, they are taught wrong if that is the way they are taught. I would bet most know the correct way to shoot but don't want to waste the time training to do it... Again, I can show you pictures of QBs that don't throw the proper way, doesn't mean they think they are doing it right. It isn't proof that you are supposed to throw side armed, or have sloppy footwork... Are you saying NFL QBs don't know what they are doing? It takes a real mental midget to think those pictures are proof of anything.

Idiot.

Actually, he clearly states that the correct way to shoot is with both eyes open. Again, just because people don't always do it, doesn't mean it isn't the right way.

No one agrees with you. Not the few that responded in this thread, or anyone that has typed on a website. I know you have already googled this. You can't admit you are wrong even after you prove it to yourself. Don't worry, I will link all of the google results here when I get home. You keep claiming that you know something that no one else does and I will continue living in reality

MacGruder
08-18-2011, 01:21 PM
He had a coach in college that could get the most out of a QB for his college team to fool the NFL...see Alex Smith. I'm thinking the NFL isn't falling for it again and is taking a closer look at those fundamentals.

Alex Smith didn't play in the SEC.. he would have looked like Brantley..

Cam couldn't even do what Tebow did at Florida.. he never would have been able to pass as well as Tebow on Florida's offense.. which is why he fell out of favor.

He could only get by at Auburn because their team was loaded when he was there and it was built perfectly to complement a run first Qb like Cam.

The reason Tebow was so revolutionary in the SEC is because he could run and pass at such a high level. Without passing as well as Tebow cam would have never been able to run at Florida.. Sam with Tebow.

Archer81
08-18-2011, 01:26 PM
This thread has taken a strange turn.


:Broncos:

ghwk
08-18-2011, 01:29 PM
This thread has taken a strange turn.


:Broncos:

Understatement......

TheReverend
08-18-2011, 01:33 PM
This thread has taken a strange turn.


:Broncos:

You know what?

You're right and I apologize.

If the guy doesn't understand stock weld and eye relief and the best ways to get proper sight alignment and sight picture and see examples of the best IN THE WORLD doing it RIGHT, then what can I do?

But I digress... gotta take responsibility for my part of the thread twist.

TheReverend
08-18-2011, 01:35 PM
Yes, they are taught wrong if that is the way they are taught. I would bet most know the correct way to shoot but don't want to waste the time training to do it... Again, I can show you pictures of QBs that don't throw the proper way, doesn't mean they think they are doing it right. It isn't proof that you are supposed to throw side armed, or have sloppy footwork... Are you saying NFL QBs don't know what they are doing? It takes a real mental midget to think those pictures are proof of anything.

Idiot.

Actually, he clearly states that the correct way to shoot is with both eyes open. Again, just because people don't always do it, doesn't mean it isn't the right way.

No one agrees with you. Not the few that responded in this thread, or anyone that has typed on a website. I know you have already googled this. You can't admit you are wrong even after you prove it to yourself. Don't worry, I will link all of the google results here when I get home. You keep claiming that you know something that no one else does and I will continue living in reality

Holy **** never mind... disregard my last post.

He just said USMC scout snipers don't want to waste the time learning to shoot properly.

I mean ****ing A. :spit:

How can I NOT reply to that?

Does anyone else see this?!?

jhns
08-18-2011, 01:41 PM
Holy **** never mind... disregard my last post.

He just said USMC scout snipers don't want to waste the time learning to shoot properly.

I mean ****ing A. :spit:

How can I NOT reply to that?

Does anyone else see this?!?

You wouldn't qualify to be a sniper if you did... It can take a long time just to learn how to see down a site with both eyes open, for a lot of people.

It is clear that you don't know what you are talking about.

Again, a simple google search shows that no one agrees with you.

TheReverend
08-18-2011, 01:42 PM
You wouldn't qualify to be a sniper if you did... It can take a long time just to learn how to see down a site with both eyes open, for a lot of people.

It is clear that you don't know what you are talking about.

Again, a simple google search shows that no one agrees with you.

Wait back up.

Wouldn't qualify to be a sniper if what?

Please finish this hilarious sentence.

jhns
08-18-2011, 01:44 PM
Wait back up.

Wouldn't qualify to be a sniper if what?

Please finish this hilarious sentence.

You can't figure it out? Go figure!

Simole people tend to struggle with English.

Mogulseeker
08-18-2011, 01:46 PM
Yes, but that's not nearly as juicy as writing about how no one in the building likes Tim, so no one mentions it.

I think in the future, Tebow might be a good fit in Fox's system. We can have a power running game utilizing the spread and the wildcat. Tebow's career won't last long, but he'll be effective.

TheReverend
08-18-2011, 01:46 PM
You can't figure it out? Go figure!

Simole people tend to struggle with English.

Can't make this **** up...

Look dude. I can post a picture of me at the ball with my expert rifle and pistol badges on. But I don't care if you discredit what I might know about it and how I was personally taught etc.

...But when you start saying scout snipers don't know how to shoot and are shooting wrong, that's when you've ****ing lost it...

jhns
08-18-2011, 01:53 PM
Can't make this **** up...

Look dude. I can post a picture of me at the ball with my expert rifle and pistol badges on. But I don't care if you discredit what I might know about it and how I was personally taught etc.

...But when you start saying scout snipers don't know how to shoot and are shooting wrong, that's when you've ****ing lost it...

Yes, hitting a wrong button on a small keyboard helps prove your point! Or it shows what you have to focus on asI make you look like a joke.

I said they don't know how to shoot? Interesting.

No one on ths planet agrees with you. Again, a simole google search proves this. You can't actually be this dumb. Do you think Tebow throws correctly? No? Well I can show you him getting the job done at QB. That must mean everyone else is wrong and his mechanics are perfect! What great logic!

DBroncos4life
08-18-2011, 01:58 PM
Alex Smith didn't play in the SEC.. he would have looked like Brantley..

Cam couldn't even do what Tebow did at Florida.. he never would have been able to pass as well as Tebow on Florida's offense.. which is why he fell out of favor.

He could only get by at Auburn because their team was loaded when he was there and it was built perfectly to complement a run first Qb like Cam.

The reason Tebow was so revolutionary in the SEC is because he could run and pass at such a high level. Without passing as well as Tebow cam would have never been able to run at Florida.. Sam with Tebow.

Brantley sucks and he would have lost every game if was the starter at Utah.

TheReverend
08-18-2011, 02:05 PM
Yes, hitting a wrong button on a small keyboard helps prove your point! Or it shows what you have to focus on asI make you look like a joke.

I said they don't know how to shoot? Interesting.

No one on ths planet agrees with you. Again, a simole google search proves this. You can't actually be this dumb. Do you think Tebow throws correctly? No? Well I can show you him getting the job done at QB. That must mean everyone else is wrong and his mechanics are perfect! What great logic!

No. It doesn't.

And Tebow's mechanics have nothing to do with how snipers are taught and how they shoot. Those guys are completely reconstructed from the ground up for perfect body discipline you retard. From being able to lie motionless for hours to... gasp... shooting properly.

You're a goddamn buffoon, and you know it.

MacGruder
08-18-2011, 02:09 PM
Brantley sucks and he would have lost every game if was the starter at Utah.

Brantley would have looked like Andrew Luck at Utah... And Andrew Luck would have looked like Brantley at UF...

jhns
08-18-2011, 02:12 PM
No. It doesn't.

And Tebow's mechanics have nothing to do with how snipers are taught and how they shoot. Those guys are completely reconstructed from the ground up for perfect body discipline you retard. From being able to lie motionless for hours to... gasp... shooting properly.

You're a goddamn buffoon, and you know it.

Then link to a singlrle person that says one eye closed is the proper way to shoot. I went through a ton of sites and every single one says that both eyes open is the correct way. Again, I will link you to them all in about two hours, when I am at a computer. It is pretty funny that you still have yet to find a single person that backs you.

Maybe you should take the time to learn something before calling others liars and idiots. You wouldn't look so dumb...

MacGruder
08-18-2011, 02:12 PM
I think in the future, Tebow might be a good fit in Fox's system. We can have a power running game utilizing the spread and the wildcat. Tebow's career won't last long, but he'll be effective.

Who cares if his career doesn't last long if he wins multiple championships in that amount of time/ And by then he can transition to become a pure fetaling pocket passer like Orton..

This is where the QB position is going IMO. QBs will be more like runningbacks and have dominant short careers.

DBroncos4life
08-18-2011, 02:13 PM
What's Brantley up too these days?

TheReverend
08-18-2011, 02:13 PM
Then link to a singlrle person that says one eye closed is the proper way to shoot. I went through a ton of sites and every single one says that both eyes open is the correct way. Again, I will link you to them all in about two hours, when I am at a computer. It is pretty funny that you still have yet to find a single person that backs you.

Maybe you should take the time to learn something before calling others liars and idiots. You wouldn't look so dumb...

"Have yet to find a single person that backs you"

Rifle team:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5050/5224423795_92f3132f8c.jpg

Scout snipers:

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/xml/news/2010/04/marine_sr21_042610w/042710_marines_new_m40_800.JPG

http://www.visualintel.net/Marines/People/Marines-Scout-Sniper/080703-M-4939F-008/495423902_QcrKz-L.jpg

http://www.visualintel.net/Marines/People/Marines-Scout-Sniper/090318-M-0381-003/495427371_NfUXF-L.jpg

http://www.visualintel.net/Marines/People/Marines-Scout-Sniper/080617-M-4003C-256/495423236_SYkNN-L.jpg

Your OWN link:

http://www.hockscqc.com/articles/binocular-monocular/eye_matrix1.jpg

http://www.hockscqc.com/articles/binocular-monocular/eye_matrix2.jpg

jhns
08-18-2011, 02:15 PM
"Have yet to find a single person that backs you"


The only one of them that talks about the proper way to shoot, says both eyes open. Good job though.

TheReverend
08-18-2011, 02:24 PM
The only one of them that talks about the proper way to shoot, says both eyes open. Good job though.

No he doesn't...

You keep proving you didn't read your own goddamn link.

He says both eyes open provide better peripheral vision and visual acuity.

The guy ALSO includes the problems caused by having both eyes open:

"Both Eyes Open, Problem Summary


1) Ghost sights
2) Ghost targets
3) Cross dominant eye positions
4) Natural desire to shut one eye to take aim at distant targets."

http://www.hockscqc.com/articles/binocular-monocular/index.htm

You clearly sourced that blog without actually reading it and knowing what it's saying.

Just stop. I actually feel bad for you.

jhns
08-18-2011, 02:31 PM
No he doesn't...

You keep proving you didn't read your own goddamn link.

He says both eyes open provide better peripheral vision and visual acuity.

The guy ALSO includes the problems caused by having both eyes open:

"Both Eyes Open, Problem Summary


1) Ghost sights
2) Ghost targets
3) Cross dominant eye positions
4) Natural desire to shut one eye to take aim at distant targets."

http://www.hockscqc.com/articles/binocular-monocular/index.htm

You clearly sourced that blog without actually reading it and knowing what it's saying.

Just stop. I actually feel bad for you.

Yes, those are the problems that take a ton of work to get past. It is the reason so many don't shoot properly. It is the reason I don't shoot properly. He also says the proper way to shoot is with both eyes open. What part of that do you not understand?

The problems with one eye vlosed are much worse though. You strain one eye, lose peripheral vision, and lose depth perception.. These problems can't be correted, which makes them much worse...

TheReverend
08-18-2011, 02:33 PM
Yes, those are the problems that take a ton of work to get past. It is the reason so many don't shoot properly. He also says the proper way to shoot is with both eyes open. What part of that do you not understand?

No dude. No.

You should look up eye relief and stock weld.

Then you should learn about sight alignment and sight picture (btw, it's "sight" not "site", idiot) and how a support eye distracts from that.

But whatever.

Your Nebraska gun club (which I'm really starting to doubt you ever participated in) knows "better" Ha!

jhns
08-18-2011, 02:37 PM
No dude. No.

You should look up eye relief and stock weld.

Then you should learn about sight alignment and sight picture (btw, it's "sight" not "site", idiot) and how a support eye distracts from that.

But whatever.

Your Nebraska gun club (which I'm really starting to doubt you ever participated in) knows "better" Ha!

It is site if I say it is site.

No one agrees with you. This makes you think that no one but you knows how to shoot properly. Funny stuff.

You still have yet to show a single person backing what you claim. I wonder why that is....

TheReverend
08-18-2011, 02:38 PM
It is site if I say it is site.

No one agrees with you. This makes you think that no one but you knows how to shoot properly. Funny stuff.

Rifle team:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5050/5224423795_92f3132f8c.jpg

Scout snipers:

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/xml/news/2010/04/marine_sr21_042610w/042710_marines_new_m40_800.JPG

http://www.visualintel.net/Marines/People/Marines-Scout-Sniper/080703-M-4939F-008/495423902_QcrKz-L.jpg

http://www.visualintel.net/Marines/People/Marines-Scout-Sniper/090318-M-0381-003/495427371_NfUXF-L.jpg

http://www.visualintel.net/Marines/People/Marines-Scout-Sniper/080617-M-4003C-256/495423236_SYkNN-L.jpg

Your OWN link:

http://www.hockscqc.com/articles/binocular-monocular/eye_matrix1.jpg

http://www.hockscqc.com/articles/binocular-monocular/eye_matrix2.jpg

Ha!

jhns
08-18-2011, 02:41 PM
Again, no one agrees with you. The only one from those photos to talk about it, says I am right. Keep embarrassing yourself.

"You are taught to shoot with both eyes open." = The proper way to shoot is with one eye closed!!! Genius!

TheReverend
08-18-2011, 02:44 PM
Again, no one agrees with you. The only one from those photos to talk about it, says I am right. Keep embarrassing yourself.

Again:

No he doesn't...

You keep proving you didn't read your own goddamn link.

He says both eyes open provide better peripheral vision and visual acuity.

The guy ALSO includes the problems caused by having both eyes open:

"Both Eyes Open, Problem Summary


1) Ghost sights
2) Ghost targets
3) Cross dominant eye positions
4) Natural desire to shut one eye to take aim at distant targets."

http://www.hockscqc.com/articles/binocular-monocular/index.htm

You clearly sourced that blog without actually reading it and knowing what it's saying.

Just stop. I actually feel bad for you.

You:

http://blog.cleanenergy.org/files/2009/04/head-in-sand.jpg

OR

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081017014112/uncyclopedia/images/2/26/Crank_yankers_yay.jpg

jhns
08-18-2011, 02:47 PM
Yes, those are the problems that take a ton of work to get past. It is the reason so many don't shoot properly. It is the reason I don't shoot properly. He also says the proper way to shoot is with both eyes open. What part of that do you not understand?

The problems with one eye vlosed are much worse though. You strain one eye, lose peripheral vision, and lose depth perception.. These problems can't be correted, which makes them much worse...

And the response is the same. You are an idiot. No one agrees with you.

"You are taught to shoot with both eyes open"

TheReverend
08-18-2011, 02:50 PM
And the response is the same. You are an idiot. No one agrees with you.

"You are taught to shoot with both eyes open"

Un****ing believable. You are MacGruder-esque, indeed.

I'm out of here.

The bright-side of this conversation: I now understand why so many people have you on their ignore list.

jhns
08-18-2011, 02:54 PM
Un****ing believable. You are MacGruder-esque, indeed.

I'm out of here.

The bright-side of this conversation: I now understand why so many people have you on their ignore list.

You sure got me as you are still unable to find a single person that agrees with you.

You did find out why. You girls can't take being wrong and I enjoy laughing at idiots. It makes most of you throw temper tantrums, like you are now.

broncocalijohn
08-18-2011, 02:57 PM
Wait, are you supposed to close one eye or leave them both open? I've always closed one when target shooting with the garand but I leave them open when I use my pistol.

I just close both eyes and started shooting at will. I can't see it but I do hear a ton of people running for cover.

Bronx33
08-18-2011, 03:23 PM
The both eyes open montra is military and its for peripheral vision only ( so nobody catches you staring down a rifle) it doesn't effect accuracy its an awareness issue depending on the person one usually closes one eye upon shooting.

jhns
08-18-2011, 04:35 PM
The both eyes open montra is military and its for peripheral vision only ( so nobody catches you staring down a rifle) it doesn't effect accuracy its an awareness issue depending on the person one usually closes one eye upon shooting.

Not really. It is better for all kinds of shooting. I wasn't in the military and I was told it was best. It is way better for moving/multiple targets.

Anyways, I will post more people backing me and finish this. Rev can continue yelling he is right with no one backing him.

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/entertainment/tv/offduty-tv-top-shot-tips-from-chris-reed-050911w/

• Shoot with both eyes open: I don’t think they emphasize that much with military shooters because they’re trying to get people qualified. But all my life I’ve been taught that it’s imperative you see your target and everything that’s around it. Archery is the same way. Most people want to close one eye, but for me, [both eyes open] helps with equilibrium and balance, and of course it just opens up your field of view so much.

http://www.huntingblades.com/ustwoeytoaiw.html

I wonder why they consider this next one such a bad thing for the pro shooter. Maybe because one eye is preferred? They also mention that even the olympic pistol shooters that don't use both eyes, still have both open. They put something over the other eye. This is so your face doesn't get tired.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2008/08/14/olympics-shooting-women-girardet-idUKPEK24313320080814

And of course, Revs source that claims one eye is better.

http://www.hockscqc.com/articles/binocular-monocular/index.htm

When a child picks up a cardboard tube and looks through it, the child closes the eye outside the tube. When you lift your weapon into your line of eyesight, and look down the sights of your weapon, you have a natural desire to close one eye, forcing you to function with monocular vision. Experts suggest this is wrong--you still should take aim and shoot with your binocular eyes open, this includes snipers shooting at hundreds of yards!



Really though, I can go on for a while as every single site agrees with me. I can't find any that don't. There are tons of forum discussions(actually most of the results from the google search) that pop up and all say the same thing. Two eyes are better, though many prefer one. I'm starting to think that Rev isn't telling the truth about his military career. You can't actually have been told that shooting with one eye is prefered.

Sniper pictures:

http://vikingone.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/acesniper.gif

http://vikingone.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/training1.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_N3bO7M2BWPE/TDakGymf4YI/AAAAAAAAuR0/9fcjIntiPEI/s1600/marine-sniper-435x291.jpg

http://www.psiopradio.com/wp-content/uploads/sniper_kitten1.jpg

/argument

OBF1
08-18-2011, 04:40 PM
Still not disappointed


Learn to spell, you would look like less of a clown.

jhns
08-18-2011, 04:47 PM
Still not disappointed


Learn to spell, you would look like less of a clown.

No. My job doesn't require spelling.

Chris
08-18-2011, 04:56 PM
No. My job doesn't require spelling.

http://content6.flixster.com/photo/73/37/38/7337388_gal.jpg

Bronx33
08-18-2011, 04:57 PM
Not really. It is better for all kinds of shooting. I wasn't in the military and I was told it was best. It is way better for moving/multiple targets.

Anyways, I will post more people backing me and finish this. Rev can continue yelling he is right with no one backing him.

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/entertainment/tv/offduty-tv-top-shot-tips-from-chris-reed-050911w/

• Shoot with both eyes open: I don’t think they emphasize that much with military shooters because they’re trying to get people qualified. But all my life I’ve been taught that it’s imperative you see your target and everything that’s around it. Archery is the same way. Most people want to close one eye, but for me, [both eyes open] helps with equilibrium and balance, and of course it just opens up your field of view so much.

http://www.huntingblades.com/ustwoeytoaiw.html

I wonder why they consider this next one such a bad thing for the pro shooter. Maybe because one eye is preferred? They also mention that even the olympic pistol shooters that don't use both eyes, still have both open. They put something over the other eye. This is so your face doesn't get tired.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2008/08/14/olympics-shooting-women-girardet-idUKPEK24313320080814

And of course, Revs source that claims one eye is better.

http://www.hockscqc.com/articles/binocular-monocular/index.htm

When a child picks up a cardboard tube and looks through it, the child closes the eye outside the tube. When you lift your weapon into your line of eyesight, and look down the sights of your weapon, you have a natural desire to close one eye, forcing you to function with monocular vision. Experts suggest this is wrong--you still should take aim and shoot with your binocular eyes open, this includes snipers shooting at hundreds of yards!



Really though, I can go on for a while as every single site agrees with me. I can't find any that don't. There are tons of forum discussions(actually most of the results from the google search) that pop up and all say the same thing. Two eyes are better, though many prefer one. I'm starting to think that Rev isn't telling the truth about his military career. You can't actually have been told that shooting with one eye is prefered.

Just stop ok little windy on 1,2 and 3 the rest were tack drivers and if you know anything about a russian 4x PU sniper scope ( its rough at 200) but one eye open and no deer attacked me from the right cause i am left handed. ( its preference and as long as you hitting ) who the **** cares.


http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/791/here1.jpg


notice in all your pictures nobody has a finger on a trigger.

jhns
08-18-2011, 05:03 PM
Just stop ok little windy on 1,2 and 3 the rest were tack drivers and if you know anything about a russian 4x PU sniper scope ( its rough at 200) but one eye open and no deer attacked me from the right cause i am left handed. ( its preference and as long as you hitting ) who the **** cares.


http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/791/here1.jpg


notice in all your pictures nobody has a finger on a trigger.

I never said you had to. Why are you getting defensive? I even said that I shot with one eye closed. I wasn't horrible either.

What? You can only see one...

DBroncos4life
08-18-2011, 05:03 PM
Just stop ok little windy on 1,2 and 3 the rest were tack drivers and if you know anything about a russian 4x PU sniper scope ( its rough at 200) but one eye open and no deer attacked me from the right cause i am left handed. ( its preference and as long as you hitting ) who the **** cares.


http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/791/here1.jpg


notice in all your pictures nobody has a finger on a trigger.

There is something fishy about that last picture as well....

Bronx33
08-18-2011, 05:04 PM
There is something fishy about that last picture as well....

they are spotting that's why even the cat . :clown:

jhns
08-18-2011, 05:06 PM
they are spotting that's why even the cat . :clown:

Then they are spotting in all but one of Revs pictures...

DBroncos4life
08-18-2011, 05:06 PM
they are spotting that's why even the cat . :clown:

That's crazy you fixed the post even as I was quoting you.

Meck77
08-18-2011, 05:08 PM
I remember when I was a kid and they hated John Elway. Ah the good ole days........Not sure what you all are fighting for. It took decades to reach the promise land the first time. It's much more special when you aren't rotating hats in and out of your closet trying to keep up with who's on top. Stay the course!

errand
08-18-2011, 05:59 PM
There are multiple people that were trained to shoot just the way I claimed, in this thread. There are zero that back your claim...

I'm sure only you and your instructor know how to shoot though...

I'll back his claim....as a former recon Marine, I was taught to shoot with one eye closed....shot expert every time save for sharpshooter coming outta boot camp. Hated the "snap in" portion of the training....

errand
08-18-2011, 06:11 PM
Do you see them winning a Super Bowl with Orton?


How many do you see them winning with Tebow ? Until Tebow removes all doubt that he should be our starter i don't want him starting because starting whien you're not ready to can and usually leads to shaken confidence as the fans start booing, the media ramps up it's criticism and the veterans that wanna win a ring before they call it quits start bitching.

I believe that tim can be a good QB and that we can win games with him if we fix our OL/run game and defense...but i think that right now, at the point in time Kyle Orton has a better grasp of the offense and has better mechanics and can win games for us despite his alleged physical limitations

Kyle Orton has improved every season, and he's done so playing with some rather below average talent surrounding him.....and while he won't carry a team to the Super bowl like John could, he is quite capable of getting to and possibly winning one if he's got enough playmakers around him.

bowtown
08-18-2011, 06:20 PM
How many do you see them winning with Tebow ? Until Tebow removes all doubt that he should be our starter i don't want him starting because starting whien you're not ready to can and usually leads to shaken confidence as the fans start booing, the media ramps up it's criticism and the veterans that wanna win a ring before they call it quits start b****ing.

I believe that tim can be a good QB and that we can win games with him if we fix our OL/run game and defense...but i think that right now, at the point in time Kyle Orton has a better grasp of the offense and has better mechanics and can win games for us despite his alleged physical limitations

Kyle Orton has improved every season, and he's done so playing with some rather below average talent surrounding him.....and while he won't carry a team to the Super bowl like John could, he is quite capable of getting to and possibly winning one if he's got enough playmakers around him.

Meh, there's a lot of your post I agree with, but I really don't think Tebow is a David Carr or Joey Harrington. I don't think he gets rattled in the same way, I think he feeds on tough situations. Whether or not that actually translates into him having the necessary skills to be an elite QB, is still to be decided IMO. However, I don't think confidence rattling will be what does him in.

I also don't hate watching Orton as much as some of the others here. In fact, I think he is capable of being a very good QB on the right team. At this point though, I need to know what Tebow' s true potential is or isn'tso I can either get 100% behind him or start screaming for Luck. Orton just gets in the way of that.

errand
08-18-2011, 06:37 PM
notice in all your pictures nobody has a finger on a trigger.

...exactly...what he posted were pics of military guys scoping the area for a target.

The most dangerous thing on the battle field is one well aimed shot......and the best in the world close one eye when they squeeze the trigger

errand
08-18-2011, 06:40 PM
this place will go nuts if the Broncos make the playoffs with Orton as the starter and the Broncos re-sign him to a long term deal...LOL

DarkHorse30
08-19-2011, 03:52 PM
Understatement......

concurrage. BTW, your avatar is resoundingly above average.



Off/on topic item, nobody outworks Tebow. What is wrong with that picture?