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tsiguy96
08-15-2011, 10:50 AM
15 consecutive years, there has been atleast 5 new playoff teams. who do you think is in this year, and whos out?

2010 playoffs:

AFC:
Jets*
Indy
Baltimore*
Kansas City
Patriots
Steelers

NFC:
Packers*
Philly
Saints*
Seahawks
Bears
Falcons

*=Wild card teams

OBF1
08-15-2011, 10:52 AM
Bears, Seahawks, KC...maybe B-more

Vegas_Bronco
08-15-2011, 10:54 AM
Detroit makes it in this year...the rest aren't a suprise.

HAT
08-15-2011, 10:56 AM
Detroit makes it in this year...the rest aren't a suprise.

No...He's saying the trend is that 5 teams in the OP will NOT make the PO's...The game is to pick 5 teams from the OP and replace them with new ones.

ZachKC
08-15-2011, 10:59 AM
Hmmmmm

MVP-06
08-15-2011, 10:59 AM
Indy, K.C., Bears, Saints, and Seahawks are the five out.

Texans, Chargers, Lions, Bucs, and Rams are in.

Binkythefrog
08-15-2011, 11:00 AM
In:

San Diego
St. Louis
Tampa
Vikings
Texans

Out:

Kansas City
Seattle
New Orleans
Bears
Colts

DrFate
08-15-2011, 11:00 AM
Indy, K.C., Bears, Saints, and Seahawks are the five out.

Texans, Chargers, Lions, Bucs, and Rams are in.

That's not a bad list...

bronco militia
08-15-2011, 11:00 AM
chargers

texans

Tampa

Cardinals

Rams

Gcver2ver3
08-15-2011, 11:03 AM
in:

Denver, and 4 other teams...


i'll figure out the other 4 later...

HAT
08-15-2011, 11:09 AM
15 consecutive years, there has been atleast 5 new playoff teams. who do you think is in this year, and whos out?

2010 playoffs:

AFC:
Jets*
Indy
Baltimore*
Kansas City
Patriots
Steelers

NFC:
Packers*
Philly
Saints*
Seahawks
Bears
Falcons

*=Wild card teams

Bolded teams = Out

In the AFC I believe Houston will finally get over the hump and win that division with the Colts not even qualifying for a W/C.

NE, NYJ, Pitt, Balty, Houston and whoever wins the AFCW between Denver & SD.

In the NFC, the Rams, Packers, Eagles & Falcons will win their divisions...Dallas locks up 1 WC and Detroit & Tampa shoot it out for the other.

Drek
08-15-2011, 11:13 AM
My playoff bets:

AFC Division Champs
New England
Baltimore
Indy
Denver

AFC Wild Card
New York
Pittsburgh

NFC Division Champs
Philadelphia
Green Bay
New Orleans
St. Louis

NFC Wild Card
Tampa Bay
Washington

Inkana7
08-15-2011, 11:15 AM
Really? Washington?

epicSocialism4tw
08-15-2011, 11:16 AM
Tampa
Detroit
St. Louis
Chargers
Browns

Mr.Meanie
08-15-2011, 11:27 AM
My playoff bets:

AFC Division Champs
New England
Baltimore
Indy
Denver

AFC Wild Card
New York
Pittsburgh

NFC Division Champs
Philadelphia
Green Bay
New Orleans
St. Louis

NFC Wild Card
Tampa Bay
Washington

Washington over Atlanta? Can I have some of what you're smoking?

HAT
08-15-2011, 11:45 AM
My playoff bets:

AFC Division Champs
New England
Baltimore
Indy
Denver

AFC Wild Card
New York
Pittsburgh

NFC Division Champs
Philadelphia
Green Bay
New Orleans
St. Louis

NFC Wild Card
Tampa Bay
Washington

Denver is 11-1 to win the AFCW at my shop. I'll be playing that on principal.

Also think there's some value on Dallas at 2-1 and Tampa at 7-2 to win their divisions.

tsiguy96
08-15-2011, 11:49 AM
My playoff bets:

AFC Division Champs
New England
Baltimore
Indy
Denver

AFC Wild Card
New York
Pittsburgh

NFC Division Champs
Philadelphia
Green Bay
New Orleans
St. Louis

NFC Wild Card
Tampa Bay
Washington

you changed *4* teams, not 5...statistics says you will be wrong, however with the lack of offseason this may be the one year that has a stronger carryover from the preceding year.

edit: corrected

vonqkilla
08-15-2011, 11:52 AM
Rams are in. hawks out. Easy.

Chargers in. chiefs out.

Indy out. Texans in.

Bears out. Bucs in.

I dont see the others not making it, unless rodgers gets concussed again.

Pony Boy
08-15-2011, 11:59 AM
Denver in with Tebow, out with Orton.

HAT
08-15-2011, 12:00 PM
Rams are in. hawks out. Easy.

Chargers in. chiefs out.

Indy out. Texans in.

Bears out. Bucs in.

I dont see the others not making it, unless rodgers gets concussed again.

You think the NFCS sends 3 teams?

diehardbroncosfan
08-15-2011, 12:12 PM
15 consecutive years, there has been atleast 5 new playoff teams. who do you think is in this year, and whos out?

2010 playoffs:

AFC:
Jets*
Indy
Baltimore*
Kansas City
Patriots
Steelers

NFC:
Packers*
Philly
Saints*
Seahawks
Bears
Falcons

*=Wild card teams

AFC:

Out: Colts, Chiefs, Jets

In: Texans, Broncos, Chargers

NFC:

Out: Seahawks, Bears

In: Rams, Lions

LetsGoBroncos
08-15-2011, 12:12 PM
chargers

texans

Tampa

Cardinals

Rams

2 from the NFC West? No way

Drek
08-15-2011, 12:16 PM
you changed 3 teams, not 5...statistics says you will be wrong, however with the lack of offseason this may be the one year that has a stronger carryover from the preceding year.

4 actually. Denver, St. Louis, Washington, and Tampa Bay over Kansas City, Seattle, Chicago, and Atlanta respectively.

Really? Washington?

Good coaching will likely lead the way in a lockout shortened off-season, and now coaches need to adapt to fewer practices in pads.

Shanahan is a fantastic coach and has been going with less time in pads than almost everyone else in the league for a long time. He's in year two of a rebuild which is when you can see a big bounce. He acquired two of the better DL FAs, which was easily their biggest position of need defensively. He and Turner will find a back, be it Helu, Royster, etc. who can put up yardage. They had Ryan Torain doing work for them last year.

So you'd bet on Jason Garrett in his first year with Dallas' new, completely untested OL or the Giants, who've only lost players to FA, as teams to beat Washington? Not likely if you ask me.

At that point they could very likely go 4-2 in the division, but 3-3 is real likely. Couple a schedule that includes all the NFC West teams with Arizona, Carolina, and Minnesota as record based matchups. Thats 5 or 6 more wins right there, maybe even a sweep, but being safe lest say 5-2.

So our safe estimate puts them at 8-5 with three games against the Pats, Jets, and Dolphins. That is at least a 1-2 and if Shanahan still gives Belichick fits thats 2-1. So 9-7 to 10-6 as a safe projection.

A few other nice bits in their favor:

Opening schedule of NYG, Zona, Dallas, and St. Louis before a week 5 bye leading into Philly. They could be 3-1 with a bye week to get loaded up for Philly.

If Philly does dominate like everyone is now assuming they will the Redskins get a free W in week 17 when the Eagles have the division and a high seed locked up and sit Vick and co. to protect them from injury.

Toss up/tough teams are generally playing @Washington, such as the Jets, Pats and Vikes. Their out of division road games are against the likes of Carolina, Buffalo, and Miami.

Even if Kolb is the real deal they get the Cards week 2 in Washington. Think he and Fitz will be primed up ready for that in just a month or so of work together?

I could go on. Shanahan has himself primed for a return to the playoffs.

Washington over Atlanta? Can I have some of what you're smoking?

So you'd bet on three playoff teams from the NFC South? I wouldn't. New Orleans has a stable base in Sean Peyton and Drew Brees, the later of whom even brought in their draftees on his time to get ready for this season. They added Franklin to the DL mix and Ingram to the RB stable to shore up their weakness on both sides of the running game.

Tampa Bay meanwhile was a late bloomer last season full of young talent that is only going to get better. They grabbed a steal with Bowers in the 2nd round. He might only have a 3-5 year career but it could be a very explosive one. They lost their 2nd round pick, Brian Price, early last season and Gerald McCoy missed the last three games. Those two both likely take big steps forward this year. Arrelious Benn showed flashes last year and has high potential to emerge as the #2 WR in a three target tandem with Mike Williams and Kellen Winslow for Freeman. Freeman is a young QB who took a massive stride from year 1 to year 2. If he even takes half as big a step from 2 to 3 he'll be a game changing QB.

Meanwhile Atlanta still has serious weaknesses at each level of their defense and their one big noteworthy addition was a rookie. Gonzalez is a year older. There is little reason to believe they'll get better than last year while the Bucs almost definitely have.

Agamemnon
08-15-2011, 12:19 PM
15 consecutive years, there has been atleast 5 new playoff teams. who do you think is in this year, and whos out?

2010 playoffs:

AFC:
Jets*
Indy
Baltimore*
Kansas City Replaced by Chargers
Patriots
Steelers

NFC:
Packers*
Philly
Saints*
Seahawks Replaced by Rams
Bears Replaced by Lions
Falcons

*=Wild card teams

Having a hard time seeing more than three change, but I'm sure it'll happen all the same.

vonqkilla
08-15-2011, 12:19 PM
You think the NFCS sends 3 teams?
It can happen, nearly did last year. Packers barely got in ahead of TB.

crush17
08-15-2011, 12:26 PM
The Texans will not even sniff the playoffs. Crazy how many of you are picking them...

TheReverend
08-15-2011, 12:37 PM
AFC:
Jets*
Indy
Baltimore*
Chargers
Patriots
Steelers

NFC:
Packers*
Philly
Saints*
Cardinals
Bears
Falcons

Only two changes for me.

TheReverend
08-15-2011, 12:42 PM
Also, I wouldn't be stunned to see any of the following teams in the post-season:

Houston
Washington
NYG

but that's about the extent of it for me.

vonqkilla
08-15-2011, 12:42 PM
The Texans will not even sniff the playoffs. Crazy how many of you are picking them...

Wade, Dennison, and Kubes, all they need is Burns. Broncos south!!!

TheReverend
08-15-2011, 12:44 PM
Wade, Dennison, and Kubes, all they need is Burns. Broncos south!!!

And Rick Smith.

HAT
08-15-2011, 12:49 PM
The Texans will not even sniff the playoffs. Crazy how many of you are picking them...

It's not that they're some juggernaut.....But how in the world do they not win that division?

TheReverend
08-15-2011, 12:57 PM
It's not that they're some juggernaut.....But how in the world do they not win that division?

If the Colts can get by without Manning for the first leg.

But if Wade can build a defense there like he's always been able to, they could really do some damage.

bronco militia
08-15-2011, 12:59 PM
The Texans will not even sniff the playoffs. Crazy how many of you are picking them...

I have them down as a wild card...wade will improve that defense over night

crush17
08-15-2011, 01:01 PM
I have them down as a wild card...wade will improve that defense over night

Their secondary was beyond attrocious last season. We shall see.

TheReverend
08-15-2011, 01:04 PM
Their secondary was beyond attrocious last season. We shall see.

Like ours. But unlike Denver, they went out and did something about it.

Agamemnon
08-15-2011, 01:08 PM
Like ours. But unlike Denver, they went out and did something about it.

Umm...we drafted two safeties, one of whom will be starting...

bronco militia
08-15-2011, 01:08 PM
resigned Champ?

TheReverend
08-15-2011, 01:13 PM
Umm...we drafted two safeties, one of whom will be starting...

They drafted two corners and a safety and signed the best young corner on the market.

We're more than likely going to be starting Cassius Vaughn for a long stretch this year.

crush17
08-15-2011, 01:17 PM
They drafted two corners and a safety and signed the best young corner on the market.

We're more than likely going to be starting Cassius Vaughn for a long stretch this year.

Do you ever have anything positive to say?

It must suck constantly looking at the negative side of everything.

TheReverend
08-15-2011, 01:22 PM
Do you ever have anything positive to say?

It must suck constantly looking at the negative side of everything.

Sure. But only when there's something positive to say.

I love what we did with our LBs. I loved the way our OL was moving the LOS the other night. I love how deep our safeties are. I'm optimistic about our DL thanks to the sheer volume of depth and Fox's presence. I love how we have some very versatile TEs allowing us to get pretty creative with play calling.

But I'm not going to sugar coat something and pretend that we don't have more than ONE good corner in a league that goes 3-5 wide with regularity.

It's a HUGE weakness.

Agamemnon
08-15-2011, 01:25 PM
They drafted two corners and a safety and signed the best young corner on the market.

We're more than likely going to be starting Cassius Vaughn for a long stretch this year.

Ah but you implied we did nothing to address our secondary now didn't you? Besides we had needs all over, while they are potentially a playoff team if they can fix their defense.

TheReverend
08-15-2011, 01:27 PM
Ah but you implied we did nothing to address our secondary now didn't you? Besides we had needs all over, while they are potentially a playoff team if they can fix their defense.

I don't feel we did address the secondary. CB is the glaring issue. I like Moore a lot and hope he has a huge impact from day one... but really... cutting Hill for a younger Hill doesn't do much

Agamemnon
08-15-2011, 01:31 PM
I don't feel we did address the secondary. CB is the glaring issue. I like Moore a lot and hope he has a huge impact from day one... but really... cutting Hill for a younger Hill doesn't do much

We have glaring issues all over the place. Drafting a safety that was widely seen as the best in the draft is addressing the situation. We don't have the luxury to blow our entire draft on a single need. We needed a T. We needed LBs. We needed TEs. We needed a lot of things. And honestly, outside of Nate Jones, our talent at corner is not nearly as bad as many other areas on our team.

Agamemnon
08-15-2011, 01:35 PM
Sure. But only when there's something positive to say.

I love what we did with our LBs. I loved the way our OL was moving the LOS the other night. I love how deep our safeties are. I'm optimistic about our DL thanks to the sheer volume of depth and Fox's presence. I love how we have some very versatile TEs allowing us to get pretty creative with play calling.

But I'm not going to sugar coat something and pretend that we don't have more than ONE good corner in a league that goes 3-5 wide with regularity.

It's a HUGE weakness.

Andre Goodman is not a bad corner. Not even close. Our biggest problem last year in pass defense was a lack of a pass rush and piss-poor safety play. Corner play (even with Andre Goodman's injury) comes in a distant third.

TheReverend
08-15-2011, 01:38 PM
We have glaring issues all over the place. Drafting a safety that was widely seen as the best in the draft is addressing the situation. We don't have the luxury to blow our entire draft on a single need. We needed a T. We needed LBs. We needed TEs. We needed a lot of things. And honestly, outside of Nate Jones, our talent at corner is not nearly as bad as many other areas on our team.

Andre Goodman is not a bad corner. Not even close. Our biggest problem last year in pass defense was a lack of a pass rush and piss-poor safety play. Corner play (even with Andre Goodman's injury) comes in a distant third.

You don't expect me to take your portion of the conversation seriously, now, do you?

Br0nc0Buster
08-15-2011, 01:55 PM
Out:
Indy
KC
Seattle
Chicago
Atlanta

In:
Houston
San Diego
NYG
St. Louis
Tampa

epicSocialism4tw
08-15-2011, 02:01 PM
I don't feel we did address the secondary. CB is the glaring issue. I like Moore a lot and hope he has a huge impact from day one... but really... cutting Hill for a younger Hill doesn't do much

The secondary is literally the last area to complain about on defense.

TheReverend
08-15-2011, 02:02 PM
The secondary is literally the last area to complain about on defense.

Well if you say so...

epicSocialism4tw
08-15-2011, 02:02 PM
Andre Goodman is not a bad corner. Not even close. Our biggest problem last year in pass defense was a lack of a pass rush and piss-poor safety play. Corner play (even with Andre Goodman's injury) comes in a distant third.

You're right about Goodman.

Some people are just ticked off that we didnt draft the Cardinals' backup corner.

epicSocialism4tw
08-15-2011, 02:04 PM
Well if you say so...

There is no middle linebacker and the DT rotation is still sub par.

In the secondary, the Broncos have already placed pieces there who are going to hold down their roster spots for the season and the forseeable future.

TheReverend
08-15-2011, 02:12 PM
There is no middle linebacker and the DT rotation is still sub par.

In the secondary, the Broncos have already placed pieces there who are going to hold down their roster spots for the season and the forseeable future.

"- Joe Mays was identified watching tape. Physical, explosive, short area guy. Attacked the opportunity to be starter. Excellent plays thursday night"

"- Marcus Thomas: was a priority target."

That's our head coach talking about both our "nonexistent" middle linebacker and part of our DT rotation. We have 4 starting experienced DTs. The least talented is more talented than Goodman.

We have 2 starting experienced CBs... in a league where the majority of the snaps see 3 on the field. And 2 are well over 30 and haven't played a full season in some time.

Let's pretend Goodman is good (and that's not the reality but whatever). That means Vaughn is playing over 60% of the defensive snaps. One minor injury to an over 30 year old player (likely from recent history) and now Vaughn is playing 100% of the snaps and Thompson is playing 60%. An injury to both (also, not unlikely) and our starters are Vaughn and Thompson with Nate Jones playing the majority of the defensive snaps.

Yup. We are SET in the secondary :nono:

epicSocialism4tw
08-15-2011, 02:17 PM
"- Joe Mays was identified watching tape. Physical, explosive, short area guy. Attacked the opportunity to be starter. Excellent plays thursday night"

"- Marcus Thomas: was a priority target."

That's our head coach talking about both our "nonexistent" middle linebacker and part of our DT rotation. We have 4 starting experienced DTs. The least talented is more talented than Goodman.

We have 2 starting experienced CBs... in a league where the majority of the snaps see 3 on the field. And 2 are well over 30 and haven't played a full season in some time.

Let's pretend Goodman is good (and that's not the reality but whatever). That means Vaughn is playing over 60% of the defensive snaps. One minor injury to an over 30 year old player (likely from recent history) and now Vaughn is playing 100% of the snaps and Thompson is playing 60%. An injury to both (also, not unlikely) and our starters are Vaughn and Thompson with Nate Jones playing the majority of the defensive snaps.

Yup. We are SET in the secondary :nono:

Um...I'd hate to break it to you, but the Broncos had the worst run defense in the NFL last year. They bring back the same core of the run defense in Marcus Thomas and Joe Mays and you expect me to agree that that part of the defense has been addressed? Do you like having the worst run defense in Broncos history?

Silliness.

TheReverend
08-15-2011, 02:21 PM
Um...I'd hate to break it to you, but the Broncos had the worst run defense in the NFL last year. They bring back the same core of the run defense in Marcus Thomas and Joe Mays and you expect me to agree that that part of the defense has been addressed? Do you like having the worst run defense in Broncos history?

Silliness.

"Um I hate to break it to you, but" that was also an entirely different front seven format AND Thomas and Mays combined for a whopping 7 starts. So "same core of run defense" indeed.

That being said, we are returning just about everyone in the secondary that was also bottom in the league.

Crushaholic
08-15-2011, 02:28 PM
If our new defensive acquisitions pan out, we'll be in the playoffs...:believeit

worm
08-15-2011, 03:01 PM
15 consecutive years, there has been atleast 5 new playoff teams. who do you think is in this year, and whos out?


The other interesting playoff trend is...

Since 2003 (after the move to 8 divisions) at least one team that finished last in their division the previous year...goes on to win their division the next year.

2003 - Chiefs
2004 - Chargers and Falcons
2005 - Giants and Bears
2006 - Ravens
2007 - Buccaneers
2008 - Dolphins
2009 - Saints
2010 - Chiefs

If both trends continue...then one of the five new teams to go to the playoffs as a division champ will need to be either the Texans, Bengals, Bills, Cowboys, Carolina, Titans, Redskins, Broncos, Lions or Cardinals.

From that list I think it will be the Broncos or Cardinals (maybe the Texans if Peyton doesn't heal)...not so much that they are good teams....just that the competition in their respective divisions suck.

HAT
08-15-2011, 03:18 PM
The other interesting playoff trend is...

Since 2003 (after the move to 8 divisions) at least one team that finished last in their division the previous year...goes on to win their division the next year.

2003 - Chiefs
2004 - Chargers and Falcons
2005 - Giants and Bears
2006 - Ravens
2007 - Buccaneers
2008 - Dolphins
2009 - Saints
2010 - Chiefs

If both trends continue...then one of the five new teams to go to the playoffs as a division champ will need to be either the Texans, Bengals, Bills, Cowboys, Carolina, Titans, Redskins, Broncos, Lions or Cardinals.

From that list I think it will be the Broncos or Cardinals (maybe the Texans if Peyton doesn't heal)...not so much that they are good teams....just that the competition in their respective divisions suck.

The NFCS sent first to worst something like 5 years in a row in the early 2000's.

El Minion
08-15-2011, 04:12 PM
The other interesting playoff trend is...

Since 2003 (after the move to 8 divisions) at least one team that finished last in their division the previous year...goes on to win their division the next year.

2003 - Chiefs
2004 - Chargers and Falcons
2005 - Giants and Bears
2006 - Ravens
2007 - Buccaneers
2008 - Dolphins
2009 - Saints
2010 - Chiefs

If both trends continue...then one of the five new teams to go to the playoffs as a division champ will need to be either the Texans, Bengals, Bills, Cowboys, Carolina, Titans, Redskins, Broncos, Lions or Cardinals.

From that list I think it will be the Broncos or Cardinals (maybe the Texans if Peyton doesn't heal)...not so much that they are good teams....just that the competition in their respective divisions suck.

Most likely on bold

2011 playoffs, new teams in bold:

AFC:
<strike>Indy</strike> Texans, finally a D with Wade Philips defensive scheming
<strike>Kansas City</strike> San Diego, another strong offensive showing
Patriots
Steelers
Jets*
Baltimore*

NFC:
Philly
<strike>Seahawks</strike> Rams, Bradfords makes the 2nd year leap and the D coalesces around Spagnuolo
<strike>Bears</strike> Packers
<strike>Falcons</strike> Saints
<strike>Packers</strike>*Lions Strafford is back and stays healthy and lion D-line dominates
<strike>Saints</strike>*Falcons

FADERPROOF
08-15-2011, 04:18 PM
Isn't there also some trend about the Super Bowl losing team not making the playoffs the following year?

boltaneer
08-15-2011, 04:40 PM
15 consecutive years, there has been atleast 5 new playoff teams. who do you think is in this year, and whos out?

2010 playoffs:

AFC:
Jets*
Indy
Baltimore*
Kansas City
Patriots
Steelers

NFC:
Packers*
Philly
Saints*
Seahawks
Bears
Falcons

*=Wild card teams

AFC:

<strike>Jets</strike> - Texans*
Colts
Ravens
<strike> Chiefs </strike> - Chargers
Patriots
Steelers*

NFC:

Packers
Eagles
<strike>Saints</strike> - Cowboys*
<strike>Seahawks </strike>- Cardinals
<strike>Bears</strike> - Lions *
Falcons

El Minion
08-15-2011, 04:41 PM
Isn't there also some trend about the Super Bowl losing team not making the playoffs the following year?

Colts, Cardinals, and Seahawks are the exceptions

epicSocialism4tw
08-15-2011, 07:15 PM
"Um I hate to break it to you, but" that was also an entirely different front seven format AND Thomas and Mays combined for a whopping 7 starts. So "same core of run defense" indeed.

That being said, we are returning just about everyone in the secondary that was also bottom in the league.

I'm not sure if youre serious here, but you seem to be arguing that the backups from last years worst defense in Broncos history are better than the starters. Ha!

TheReverend
08-15-2011, 07:29 PM
I'm not sure if youre serious here, but you seem to be arguing that the backups from last years worst defense in Broncos history are better than the starters. Ha!

No... I'm saying they're entirely different positions for one. I also fully expect Bunkley and Warren to be starting completely nullifying your POV and that Joe Mays is also playing an entirely different position and getting an opportunity to show what he can do. If he can't hack it, we invested a high pick at the MLB spot and we can see what he does.

We are far and away no where near as thin as we are at CB at either spot.

Agamemnon
08-15-2011, 08:55 PM
You don't expect me to take your portion of the conversation seriously, now, do you?

If you think Andre Goodman is anything worse than an average #2 CB, I really hope you don't expect anyone to take you seriously.

TheReverend
08-15-2011, 08:56 PM
If you think Andre Goodman is anything worse than an average #2 CB, I really hope you don't expect anyone to take you seriously.

I absolutely do. By a large margin.

Agamemnon
08-15-2011, 09:04 PM
I absolutely do. By a large margin.

Exactly how bad do you think Goodman is, and what are you basing it off of? I've never seen anything from the guy but a workmanlike effort that, while far from flashy, gets the job done.

TheReverend
08-16-2011, 08:02 AM
Exactly how bad do you think Goodman is, and what are you basing it off of? I've never seen anything from the guy but a workmanlike effort that, while far from flashy, gets the job done.

Slow, untalented, poor transitioning from his read steps, can't close out of the cushion that he NEEDS, and a poor tackler to boot.

There's a reason he didn't start a season until he was 30 and why Miami had no problem letting him go.

Is he Nate Jones bad? Not at all! But I'd be stunned if you could find 10 corners in the NFL that will be starting in Sept that are worse than him.