Flash Mobs are becoming a global epidemic

[Pony Boy]

Flash Mobs are becoming a global epidemic.

Thanks to social networks like Twitter and Facebook, more and more so-called flash mobs are materializing across the globe, leaving police scrambling to keep tabs on the spontaneous assemblies.

Flash mobs started off in 2003 as peaceful and often humorous acts of public performance, such as mass dance routines or street pillow fights. But in recent years, the term has taken a darker twist as criminals exploit the anonymity of crowds, using social networking to coordinate everything from robberies to fights to general chaos.

In London, recent rioting and looting has been blamed in part on groups of youths using Twitter, mobile phone text messages and instant messaging on BlackBerry to organize and keep a step ahead of police.

And Sunday in Philadelphia, Mayor Michael Nutter condemned the behavior of teenagers involved in flash mobs that have left several people injured in recent weeks.

"What is making this unique today is the social media aspect," said Everett Gillison, Philadelphia's deputy mayor for public safety. "They can communicate and congregate at a moment's notice. That can overwhelm any municipality."

The National Retail Federation said 10 percent of 106 companies it surveyed reported being targeted in the last year by groups of thieves using flash mob tactics.

"Retailers are raising red flags about criminal flash mobs, which are wreaking havoc on their business, causing concerns about the safety of their customers and employees, and directly impacting their bottom line," the federation said in a report, which advises retailers to monitor social media networks and report planned heists to the police.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20110809/D9P0I3AG0.html

[Cmac821]

how do you get hurt in a flash mob?

edit: I thought flash mobs were just the dancing type

[alkemical]

No, there's a big problem in PHI with it. I hear about it on the news...it's crazy ****.

When Zombies attack

Social media isn't to blame - but it will further push for less privacy.

[gyldenlove]

These mostly tend to happen where there are relatively large amounts of socially marginalized youths in a small area, I just don't see this happening in Martha's Vineyard or Rhode Island.

With modern communications technology it has certainly become easier to organize groups in a very short time and once a group is assembled it takes only a few bad apples to escalate things beyond control. With TV images of revolutions in Egypt, Libya, Syria, Qatar and other places I think some who would have been common gangsters and petty criminals instead turn on society in general to get revenge for wrongs and percieved wrongs that have been done against these kids.

Like World War I it just takes 1 spark to set off the powder keg, and for a lot of these kids who really do not have a future in the job market due to lack of education and maybe a criminal record or children to support it becomes an easy way to guiltfree crimes of violence, theft and destruction of property.

[Pony Boy]

how do you get hurt in a flash mob?

edit: I thought flash mobs were just the dancing type

Small retailers in the larger cities are at great risk, it's really just the tip of the iceberg. A liquor store can be wiped out in a matter of minutes and the cops can't control a spontaneous mob that large.

[Meck77]

I experienced it in Vancouver a few years ago. Out of no where a bunch of punk teens starting pouring into the streets. They got their asses handed to them rather quickly. Almost had to pop one myself.

[alkemical]

These mostly tend to happen where there are relatively large amounts of socially marginalized youths in a small area, I just don't see this happening in Martha's Vineyard or Rhode Island.

With modern communications technology it has certainly become easier to organize groups in a very short time and once a group is assembled it takes only a few bad apples to escalate things beyond control. With TV images of revolutions in Egypt, Libya, Syria, Qatar and other places I think some who would have been common gangsters and petty criminals instead turn on society in general to get revenge for wrongs and percieved wrongs that have been done against these kids.

Like World War I it just takes 1 spark to set off the powder keg, and for a lot of these kids who really do not have a future in the job market due to lack of education and maybe a criminal record or children to support it becomes an easy way to guiltfree crimes of violence, theft and destruction of property.


Perhaps a taste of the ultraviolence?

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTv5xpRBpfD8tw7QX5Ex0KzlAfu6uiOL aRuYqBHHb6lrztEbD_U

[gyldenlove]

No, there's a big problem in PHI with it. I hear about it on the news...it's crazy ****.

When Zombies attack

Social media isn't to blame - but it will further push for less privacy.

It becomes somewhat of a self-fulfilling prophecy, you protest and riot because of percieved injustice often racial, and by doing so you justify the racial profiling and increase the discrepancy in arrests and convictions between races.

I believe the kids in London have some genuine complaints, they are being profiled by the police, but now they are doing everything they can to prove the police right in using profiling.

[alkemical]

Small retailers in the larger cities are at great risk, it's really just the tip of the iceberg. A liquor store can be wiped out in a matter of minutes and the cops can't control a spontaneous mob that large.

What's the solution?

full surveillance? InternetID?

[gyldenlove]

Perhaps a taste of the ultraviolence?

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTv5xpRBpfD8tw7QX5Ex0KzlAfu6uiOL aRuYqBHHb6lrztEbD_U

I loves me some ultra-violence.

One thing that always fixes these things right up is mass-conscription.

[gyldenlove]

What's the solution?

full surveillance? InternetID?

Forced sterilization of people with no post-secondary education or a net-worth of less than 500k.

I am just spit-balling here.

[alkemical]

It becomes somewhat of a self-fulfilling prophecy, you protest and riot because of percieved injustice often racial, and by doing so you justify the racial profiling and increase the discrepancy in arrests and convictions between races.

I believe the kids in London have some genuine complaints, they are being profiled by the police, but now they are doing everything they can to prove the police right in using profiling.

This ties into the "beware in fighting monsters"/you are what you fight.

I'm an advocate of NOT using these techniques to "achieve your goals", due to the very points you have listed.

So, what's the resolution - how does this change?

[alkemical]

Forced sterilization of people with no post-secondary education or a net-worth of less than 500k.

I am just spit-balling here.

Why not just make me emperor and i'll make sure 50million people are killed?

[gyldenlove]

Why not just make me emperor and i'll make sure 50million people are killed?

You have my vote.

[alkemical]

You have my vote.

LOL!

I have this plan to start a war with mexico: after all - we rebuild nations after blowing them apart, in addition to a prolonged issue where 50million people will die (both in MX & USA) -

it will open up the job market big time.

[baja]

What's the solution?

full surveillance? InternetID?

They will delay or suspend the instant messaging system in problem areas.

...and probably use it as an excuse to somehow regulate the Internet.

[Pony Boy]

What's the solution?

full surveillance? InternetID?

That the problem this a global epidemic, and there hasn't been any time spent studying this and there are certainly no easy answers, other than troops patrolling the inner cities and no one wants that. In London they are using water cannons.

The world has become a powder keg.

[alkemical]

They will delay or suspend the instant messaging system in problem areas.

There's a hack for that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesh_networking

http://thesheaf.com/news/2011/02/14/new-app-tracks-police-kettling/

Police in the U.K. have used kettling at times to break up the ongoing student protests and college building occupations. After being herded onto a bridge and kept there for several hours in freezing temperatures, a group of students at the University College of London have created a program to help protesters avoid the same fate.

“There’s been a huge series of protests as well, marches in the streets, around this, which have met with very, very heavy-handed police violence, basically,” said Tim Hardy, Sukey press director. “Very aggressive kettling, including pre-emptive kettling, batoning, charging people with horses.”

Sukey is a smartphone application, SMS text message service and online program that will allow people to find out where police are kettling protesters before they find themselves trapped.

[alkemical]

That the problem this a global epidemic, and there hasn't been any time spent studying this and there are certainly no easy answers, other than troops patrolling the inner cities and no one wants that. In London they are using water cannons.

The world has become a powder keg.

Interesting times....

[baja]

Interesting times....

Culling the herd.

[gyldenlove]

This ties into the "beware in fighting monsters"/you are what you fight.

I'm an advocate of NOT using these techniques to "achieve your goals", due to the very points you have listed.

So, what's the resolution - how does this change?

There is no solution, that is the beauty of it.

There have always been outlaws and social pariahs, there will always be. Only when resources become endless will this end.

A societal hierarchy requires people at the bottom, just as any pool requires a number of less fit members because they carry the greatest potential, look at W Bush, was it an achievement for him to become president? It was handed to him, he never in his life struggled with anything that wasn't his own doing, he never had to overcome any odds - when the leading class becomes too inbred and decadent it will fall, that has happened to every monarchy that didn't relinquish power voluntarily, it has happened to many despotic nations.

True change can only come from the lowest ranks of the societal ladder because only they have no interest in the status quo. That is why many great military leaders have come from relatively humble backgrounds, they have no interest in how things are usually done, they have an interest in how things should be done to achieve maximum success.

The only thing we can do is attempt to appease the masses enough that the revolution when it comes will be peaceful and most societal structures we benefit from will stay unharmed, and we avoid a Khmer Rouge like purge. The sad truth is that in 500 years, the man celebrated as the greatest president since the year 2000 will decend from people who are almost certainly among the bottom 20% of earners today - the next Lincoln will be like the first one.

[gyldenlove]

There's a hack for that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesh_networking

http://thesheaf.com/news/2011/02/14/new-app-tracks-police-kettling/

Actually the metropolitan police force have stopped using Kettling since the student protests because of the massive media backlash.

[Fedaykin]

Sounds like FUD to fuel the stripping of online anonymity.

[cutthemdown]

Just open fire and thin out the herd. The people who participate in riots don't add much to the GNP or GDP anyways. Besides you shoot 5 or 10 of them and they will go home. If not, shoot them all. Society has no room for anarchy or rioting.

[baja]

Just open fire and thin out the herd. The people who participate in riots don't add much to the GNP or GDP anyways. Besides you shoot 5 or 10 of them and they will go home. If not, shoot them all. Society has no room for anarchy or rioting.

Ya like Kent State

...and that fine human rights country China in Tiananmen Square.

[elsid13]

The issue isn't the technology or how it being used, there are underlying social/economical problems causing the behavior that are not be addressed that are the real reason.

I am sure some politicians will call the tech a spawn of Satan and try to get outlawed.

[W*GS]

Just open fire and thin out the herd. The people who participate in riots don't add much to the GNP or GDP anyways. Besides you shoot 5 or 10 of them and they will go home. If not, shoot them all. Society has no room for anarchy or rioting.

Grow up.

[TailgateNut]

Forced sterilization of people with no post-secondary education or a net-worth of less than 500k.

I am just spit-balling here.


^5

Hey I thought you were moving to Canuckland?

[epicSocialism4tw]

True change can only come from the lowest ranks of the societal ladder because only they have no interest in the status quo. That is why many great military leaders have come from relatively humble backgrounds, they have no interest in how things are usually done, they have an interest in how things should be done to achieve maximum success.

The only thing we can do is attempt to appease the masses enough that the revolution when it comes will be peaceful and most societal structures we benefit from will stay unharmed, and we avoid a Khmer Rouge like purge. The sad truth is that in 500 years, the man celebrated as the greatest president since the year 2000 will decend from people who are almost certainly among the bottom 20% of earners today - the next Lincoln will be like the first one.

I know that the liberal hard-cores have been programmed to reject it with irrational platitudes, but the Tea Party is exactly what you have described.

It is an individual rights-first movement that has rejected the impersonal march of the globalist elite. That's why it has been met with such fierce resistance by the globalist interests like the GOP establishment and the DNC arms that are controlled by the same interests that control the mainstream media.

What they aren't realizing is that people are not following their "lead" in the march further towards globalism...people are being left out to dry financially by the movement and are being forced to become politically active.

What you'll see in the forthcoming years is that there will be further divide between the elitist political/banking class and the rest of the populace. At this point they are acting as if the vote is a mere formality that can be manipulated by controlling what people see on TV and how it is presented. The Tea Party threw a monkey wrench in that operation...the first time it has ever been done.

The Tea Party is truly a peoples' rights movement...the same kind of movement that spawned America from the force of British oppression in the mid 1700's. Its no mistake that the Tea Party has stuck to the same principles that divided the colonists from the imperialists the last time this happened on this continent, and that it has been met with the same imperial resistance.

People are wary of the Tea Party because the media has presented it first as uncool and unstylish, then as uneducated, then as racist, now as "terrorist". Instead of being unnerved by the language that they are using to pretty much slander the Tea Party, people should question why the media and the DNC talking points are the same, and why they have gotten progressively more inflammatory. What about "fiscal responsibility" deserves such inflammatory language? Seriously. That's all the Tea Party is about. Thats it. Its something that every single person in the country who has ever met a budget understands, and therefore it is a universal truth that is easily understood.

The Tea Party is a nonviolent, peaceful movement to replace elitist establishment political/banking class politicians with practical people who want to actually address the financial problems in the country by voting them into office. It is a fantastic movement, that in the eyes of non-biased historians will be perceived as a model political movement.

[epicSocialism4tw]

The issue isn't the technology or how it being used, there are underlying social/economical problems causing the behavior that are not be addressed that are the real reason.

I am sure some politicians will call the tech a spawn of Satan and try to get outlawed.

The "underlying problem" is just as much moral and ethical as it is social/economical. England has long been a place mired in moral and ethical swampwater, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if these types of events became regular for them.

[epicSocialism4tw]

That the problem this a global epidemic, and there hasn't been any time spent studying this and there are certainly no easy answers, other than troops patrolling the inner cities and no one wants that. In London they are using water cannons.

The world has become a powder keg.

Here's what you do...you do something similar to what we did with organized crime. You start arresting and proscecuting these people under organized crime statutes.

No more misdemeanor theft. This needs to be dealt with harshly by the justice system. Anarchy is not acceptable and puts thousands of people at risk. Douches like that alkemical clown want anarchy. He's a moron. Nobody wants anarchy unless they are drug addled to the point that they just want to throw their life away in a ditch smoking crack rocks and shooting up freon. Not even these mindless zombie morons rioting in the streets really want anarchy.

[ant1999e]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/8/mayor-talks-tough-to-black-teens-after-flash-mobs/

PHILADELPHIA — Mayor Michael A. Nutter, telling marauding black youths “you have damaged your own race,” imposed a tougher curfew Monday in response to the latest “flash mob” — spontaneous groups of teens who attack people at random on the streets of the city’s tourist and fashionable shopping districts.

“Take those God-darn hoodies down, especially in the summer,” Mr. Nutter, the city’s third black mayor, said in an angry lecture aimed at black teens. “Pull your pants up and buy a belt ‘cause no one wants to see your underwear or the crack of your butt.”

“If you walk into somebody’s office with your hair uncombed and a pick in the back, and your shoes untied, and your pants half down, tattoos up and down your arms and on your neck, and you wonder why somebody won’t hire you? They don’t hire you ‘cause you look like you’re crazy,” the mayor said. “You have damaged your own race.”

[epicSocialism4tw]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/8/mayor-talks-tough-to-black-teens-after-flash-mobs/

PHILADELPHIA — Mayor Michael A. Nutter, telling marauding black youths “you have damaged your own race,” imposed a tougher curfew Monday in response to the latest “flash mob” — spontaneous groups of teens who attack people at random on the streets of the city’s tourist and fashionable shopping districts.

“Take those God-darn hoodies down, especially in the summer,” Mr. Nutter, the city’s third black mayor, said in an angry lecture aimed at black teens. “Pull your pants up and buy a belt ‘cause no one wants to see your underwear or the crack of your butt.”

“If you walk into somebody’s office with your hair uncombed and a pick in the back, and your shoes untied, and your pants half down, tattoos up and down your arms and on your neck, and you wonder why somebody won’t hire you? They don’t hire you ‘cause you look like you’re crazy,” the mayor said. “You have damaged your own race.”

We need to isolate this guy by saying that he isn't really black and then call him an Uncle Tom.

[ant1999e]

We need to isolate this guy by saying that he isn't really black and then call him an Uncle Tom.

The truth hurts. If you're scared, go to church. Betta aks somebody.

[baja]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/8/mayor-talks-tough-to-black-teens-after-flash-mobs/

PHILADELPHIA — Mayor Michael A. Nutter, telling marauding black youths “you have damaged your own race,” imposed a tougher curfew Monday in response to the latest “flash mob” — spontaneous groups of teens who attack people at random on the streets of the city’s tourist and fashionable shopping districts.

“Take those God-darn hoodies down, especially in the summer,” Mr. Nutter, the city’s third black mayor, said in an angry lecture aimed at black teens. “Pull your pants up and buy a belt ‘cause no one wants to see your underwear or the crack of your butt.”

“If you walk into somebody’s office with your hair uncombed and a pick in the back, and your shoes untied, and your pants half down, tattoos up and down your arms and on your neck, and you wonder why somebody won’t hire you? They don’t hire you ‘cause you look like you’re crazy,” the mayor said. “You have damaged your own race.”

Glad we don't have that going on here whee I live.

I told ya this shiit was coming and you ain't seen nothing yet. No money, no work, no food, no hope what they got to loose - at least you get three squares a day in prison. Won't be long before they are come after you in your home.

But Meck has a plan and I'm crazy so everything will be al right. ;D

[ant1999e]

Glad we don't have that going on here whee I live.

I told ya this shiit was coming and you ain't seen nothing yet. No money, no work, no food, no hope what they got to loose - at least you get three squares a day in prison. Won't be long before they are come after you in your home.

But Meck has a plan and I'm crazy so everything will be al right. ;D

I'm with you. Shyts gonna hit the fan soon. Hope you got yourself a gun.

[Pony Boy]

Just open fire and thin out the herd. The people who participate in riots don't add much to the GNP or GDP anyways. Besides you shoot 5 or 10 of them and they will go home. If not, shoot them all. Society has no room for anarchy or rioting.

I'm sure that will happen here at some point, one of the reasons the UK is in such turmoil is it’s citizens are unarmed. They are buying baseball bats online from the US to protect themselves. It's just a matter of time before a pawn shop owner in the US opens fire to protect his property and of course the liberal judges will put him in prison for life.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I'm sure that will happen here at some point, one of the reasons the UK is in such turmoil is it’s citizens are unarmed. They are buying baseball bats online from the US to protect themselves. It's just a matter of time before a pawn shop owner in the US opens fire to protect his property and of course the liberal judges will put him in prison for life.

You know, I'd hate that someone would die in that circumstance, but I wouldn't be judgmental about someone who having worked their whole life for their business and their employees to have defended themselves and the livelihoods of all of their workers.

You can't depend on the police to protect you in those instances. They are admittedly overwhelmed by the immediacy and the mass. If you are in danger, you have to protect yourself and those who depend on you to protect them.

[baja]

I'm with you. Shyts gonna hit the fan soon. Hope you got yourself a gun.

I got three dogs roaming free behind 20 foot walls around my property in town and a remote ranch. Hard to have guns in Mexico unless you are a narco trafficer

[Pony Boy]

You know, I'd hate that someone would die in that circumstance, but I wouldn't be judgmental about someone who having worked their whole life for their business and their employees to have defended themselves and the livelihoods of all of their workers.

You can't depend on the police to protect you in those instances. They are admittedly overwhelmed by the immediacy and the mass. If you are in danger, you have to protect yourself and those who depend on you to protect them.

There are citizens in the UK being dragged from their homes and beaten and robbed. That will not happen as long as we continue to have the right to bear arms. The liberals would love to disarm us and make us helpless wards of the state,

[epicSocialism4tw]

I got three dogs roaming free behind 20 foot walls around my property in town and a remote ranch. Hard to have guns in Mexico unless you are a narco trafficer

That's so the federales can come and take your deed right out of your hands.

[baja]

That's so the federales can come and take your deed right out of your hands.

Ya think?

[epicSocialism4tw]

There are citizens in the UK being dragged from their homes and beaten and robbed. That will not happen as long as we continue to have the right to bear arms. The liberals would love to disarm us and make us helpless wards of the state,

That's no joke.

[baja]

That's so the federales can come and take your deed right out of your hands.

You live in a city in Texas right? I feel safer in Baja that I would almost anywhere in Texas.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Ya think?

Heck yeah.

A friend of mine had that very thing happen to her when she was trying to sell property in San Luis Potosi. This is an elderly lady trying to sell property so she can move to the States to live with her daughter. They just took it from her.

[epicSocialism4tw]

You live in a city in Texas right? I feel safer in Baja that I would almost anywhere in Texas.

I have lived in several extremely safe towns in Texas.

What you have to worry about is towns on the Texas side of Nuevo Laredo, Juarez, etc. I wouldn't want to own property or live on the Mexico-Texas border. It should be obvious why that is the case.

[ant1999e]

You know, I'd hate that someone would die in that circumstance, but I wouldn't be judgmental about someone who having worked their whole life for their business and their employees to have defended themselves and the livelihoods of all of their workers.

You can't depend on the police to protect you in those instances. They are admittedly overwhelmed by the immediacy and the mass. If you are in danger, you have to protect yourself and those who depend on you to protect them.

The police don't prevent crime, they respond to it.

[baja]

Heck yeah.

A friend of mine had that very thing happen to her when she was trying to sell property in San Luis Potosi. This is an elderly lady trying to sell property so she can move to the States to live with her daughter. They just took it from her.

If she owned her property with a Bank Trust, the only legal way for a forginer to own property in Mexico there is no way in hell that could happen. She must of had bad title or in presta nombre

[ant1999e]

I got three dogs roaming free behind 20 foot walls around my property in town and a remote ranch. Hard to have guns in Mexico unless you are a narco trafficer

Nonsense, just give the ATF a call, they'll hook you up.

[epicSocialism4tw]

If she owned her property with a Bank Trust, the only legal way for a forginer to own property in Mexico there is no way in hell that could happen. She must of had bad title or in presta nombre

She is a mexican national.

Her daughter is a dual citizen by marriage.

[baja]

Nonsense, just give the ATF a call, they'll hook you up.

Bastards just what we needed 70,000 more guns in bad people's hands.

[baja]

She is a mexican national.

Her daughter is a dual citizen by marriage.

Unfortunately that does happen to nationals. Thre can be several "titles" to the same piece of land. This is not a good place to be poor or without connections.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Unfortunately that does happen to nationals. Thre can be several "titles" to the same piece of land. This is not a good place to be poor or without connections.

Yes, she complains to me quite a bit about how many people she knows have had similar things happen to them.

The poor in Mexico flee for the American dream for a reason.

[baja]

Yes, she complains to me quite a bit about how many people she knows have had similar things happen to them.

The poor in Mexico flee for the American dream for a reason.

Many are coming back and are very happy to be home.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Many are coming back and are very happy to be home.

After they have made money and bought material items.

Its just hard to keep making the trip. It makes it comparably difficult to rural life in Mexico. Most people who immigrate are very poor, uneducated rural citizens.

Personally, I like the idea of naturalizing the Mexicans who want to go through the process to become American citizens and enter the fold. Its always good to have immigrants remind everyone of how fortunate people have it here.

[baja]

After they have made money and bought material items.

Its just hard to keep making the trip. It makes it comparably difficult to rural life in Mexico. Most people who immigrate are very poor, uneducated rural citizens.

Personally, I like the idea of naturalizing the Mexicans who want to go through the process to become American citizens and enter the fold. Its always good to have immigrants remind everyone of how fortunate people have it here.

Many of the returning people have learned skills in the US I am glad they are returning and willing & able to be productive. You are wise to want them to stay they are productive citizens.

[baja]

BTW they have there horror stories about their time n the US too.

[epicSocialism4tw]

BTW they have there horror stories about their time n the US too.

Those horror stories probably involve the lawless communities that are fostered in the dark corners of many illegal immigrant alcoves.

They probably also involve getting taken advantage of by labor bosses and other illegal immigrants.

They probably also involve black/hispanic racial tension which is really fierce in the inner city.

The worst part about it is what happens to the kids of people who have brought them here illegally.

[baja]

Those horror stories probably involve the lawless communities that are fostered in the dark corners of many illegal immigrant alcoves.

They probably also involve getting taken advantage of by labor bosses and other illegal immigrants.

They probably also involve black/hispanic racial tension which is really fierce in the inner city.

The worst part about it is what happens to the kids of people who have brought them here illegally.

A lot of the complains I hear are about police brutality.

[epicSocialism4tw]

A lot of the complains I hear are about police brutality.

That can happen too, but it happens to everyone here.

I talked to a friend of mine the other day who is trying to get a green card for his wife from a middle eastern country. He complained to me (and rightly so) that it was impossible to get anything done without a headache for him when he dealt with the US bureaucracy. He thought it was because of his country of origin (though he is a citizen). I said "That's how you know you're an American", and he said "how?". I told him "You're ticked off at our inefficient, crappy bureaucracy. Can you believe that people actually want to expand the power and control of that friggin monster?" He laughed.

Most people who come here think that this is an America still defined by the constitution, when it has in reality become an America defined by regulatory agencies and the police powers that enforce them.

[cutthemdown]

Ya like Kent State

...and that fine human rights country China in Tiananmen Square.

BS they are arsonist and looters. They deserve to be shot. Too bad they don't let people in England protect themselves.

[cutthemdown]

IMO when a mob is out of control like that the govt should use some lethal force to regain control. That is BS to let anarchists take to the streets like that. Whoever in charge over there can forget about it now. The people in England will be pissed the govt let this get out of control.

[baja]

IMO when a mob is out of control like that the govt should use some lethal force to regain control. That is BS to let anarchists take to the streets like that. Whoever in charge over there can forget about it now. The people in England will be pissed the govt let this get out of control.


V

[W*GS]

IMO when a mob is out of control like that the govt should use some lethal force to regain control. That is BS to let anarchists take to the streets like that. Whoever in charge over there can forget about it now. The people in England will be pissed the govt let this get out of control.

And you think having the cops (and the military?) going in, guns a-blazin', shooting first and asking questions later, will make the Brits happy with their government.

Damn, you can be stupid, but in this case, you're stupid^2.

[alkemical]

IMO when a mob is out of control like that the govt should use some lethal force to regain control. That is BS to let anarchists take to the streets like that. Whoever in charge over there can forget about it now. The people in England will be pissed the govt let this get out of control.

It works in the movies, right?

[alkemical]

A lot of the complains I hear are about police brutality.

I am fortunate to not have a run in with brutality - but I was detained road side for 2hrs:

The reason: I "fit the description", and I had bubble wrap.

[baja]

I am fortunate to not have a run in with brutality - but I was detained road side for 2hrs:

The reason: I "fit the description", and I had bubble wrap.


What did having bubble wrap have to do with it?

[alkemical]

What did having bubble wrap have to do with it?

I figure there was some break-ins in the area - but who knows. They grilled me on that for a while.

"Why do you have bubble wrap"

I helped a friend move.

"yeah, why'd he move?"

uhhh, cuz he hated Vegas.

"so what are YOU doing with bubble wrap?"

"I helped a friend move"

"From vegas?"

"Well, yes/no. He moved into his grandparents house for a few weeks till he found a place, and today was moving day to his new place"

"Where'd you get bubble wrap?"

"From his moving truck"

It went on and on...

Then they searched my car - put me back in the car - kept me there for 40min or so - then let me go.

[Pony Boy]

Twitter refuses to close accounts of rioters to protect their 'freedom of expression'


Twitter has refused to close the accounts of London rioters who used the service to spread unrest and insisted that Tweets must 'continue to flow'.
The US-based company said that 'freedom of expression' was essential and that information would be 'kept flowing'.
Social networks have faced criticism for allowing rioters and looters to incite violence and public disorder across the country since riots began last Saturday in Tottenham.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024295/UK-riots-2011-Spooks-trail-BlackBerry-Messenger-ringleaders.html

[alkemical]

Besides, if you shut 'em off - you can't monitor them anymore!

[baja]

good point. It's a two way street.

[alkemical]

http://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/1213.jpg

This riot is brought to you by Adidas.


PS - Narrator: I flipped through catalogs and wondered: What kind of dining set defines me as a person?
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[broncocalijohn]

I got three dogs roaming free behind 20 foot walls around my property in town and a remote ranch. Hard to have guns in Mexico unless you are a narco trafficer

And can you tell us again how you feel so safe in Mexico?

[gyldenlove]

http://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/1213.jpg

This riot is brought to you by Adidas.

Today's modern rioters want something comfortable that breaths to avoid those nasty sweat stains you can get from throwing molotov cocktails and stealing playstations.

[alkemical]

Today's modern rioters want something comfortable that breaths to avoid those nasty sweat stains you can get from throwing molotov cocktails and stealing playstations.

I personally like the "pouch". nothing's more badassed than having marsupial powers.

*PS - great advertising spot. Maybe we can make some riot gear and sell* to the protesters. They have $ to buy what they want, they only steal the excess. ;)

[ant1999e]

I personally like the "pouch". nothing's more badassed than having marsupial powers.

*PS - great advertising spot. Maybe we can make some riot gear and sell* to the protesters. They have $ to buy what they want, they only steal the excess. ;)

Chuck says different. Fanny Packs are where it's at.

[gyldenlove]

I personally like the "pouch". nothing's more badassed than having marsupial powers.

*PS - great advertising spot. Maybe we can make some riot gear and sell* to the protesters. They have $ to buy what they want, they only steal the excess. ;)

The thing is we already know this guy is a full on douchenozzle, I don't think I want to be associated with him in any way shape or form - even if it involves catering to his clearly inferior intelligence and sense of fashion and taking his money in the process.

[sirhcyennek81]

http://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/1213.jpg

This riot is brought to you by Adidas.


Down with capitalist cronyism!

...

:Broncos:

[cutthemdown]

BAJA if you need some guns just contact the ATF.

[epicSocialism4tw]

So has anyone figured out why all these crazy euro-liberal entitlement goons are rioting yet?

Is it really because "the man" who owns a corner store is "rich"?

[baja]

So has anyone figured out why all these crazy euro-liberal entitlement goons are rioting yet?

Is it really because "the man" who owns a corner store is "rich"?

They hate us for our freedoms

[alkemical]

The thing is we already know this guy is a full on douchenozzle, I don't think I want to be associated with him in any way shape or form - even if it involves catering to his clearly inferior intelligence and sense of fashion and taking his money in the process.


Like the testicle tow hitch thingey?

I think anyone who purchases one of them, should have to use their own sack and remove themselves from the gene pool.

I actually was thinking about reproduction as warfare the otherday (long term DNA replication) - and I realized something when a friend said: "If you don't have kids, we'll keep getting outnumbered".

Does stupidity win? Is the idea of Darwinism wrong when it comes to humans, or does Darwinism disappear when you have "civilization"?

[alkemical]

They hate us for our freedoms

Just say no!

[Smiling Assassin27]

How many of these have occurred in states/metro areas that allow conceal and carry? I'm reminded of this scene:

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[alkemical]

I just read up a bit on the man that was shot, that was a precursor to the riots:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Mark_Duggan

On 4 August 2011 Mark Duggan, a 29-year-old man, was shot and killed by armed police officers during an attempted arrest during a police operation in Tottenham, London, England. His shooting led indirectly to riots in Tottenham, which were followed on successive days by the 2011 England riots.
[edit] Interception and shooting

The Metropolitan Police stopped a minicab which was carrying Duggan as a passenger at about 18:15 BST on 4 August 2011 to carry out an arrest as part of a pre-planned operation, and shots were fired. Duggan was killed by a single gunshot to the chest. He was pronounced dead at 18:41 BST.[1]

The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) initially said that it appeared a police officer had been shot, and police had returned fire.[2][3] It was reported that a bullet was found embedded in a radio worn by a policeman, and the implication was drawn that Duggan had fired on the police.[4] Friends and relatives of Duggan claimed that he was unarmed.[5] A loaded Bruni BBM blank-firing self-loading (semi-automatic) pistol, illegally converted to fire live ammunition, was reported to have been recovered from the scene.[6] It was reported on 10 August that later tests had determined that the weapon recovered from the scene had not been fired.[7] The Guardian reported that initial ballistics tests on the bullet recovered from the police radio indicate it was a "jacketed round", a police issue bullet, consistent with having been fired from a Heckler & Koch MP5 semi-automatic carbine, as used by the police.[8] It may have been due to a ricochet or overpenetration.[4][9] Police who shot Duggan were part of the Specialist Firearms Command (CO19), accompanying officers from Operation Trident, a London Metropolitan police unit which deals with gun crime in black communities.[10]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023556/Mark-Duggan-Violence-drugs-fatal-stabbing-unlikely-martyr.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

His family and friends claim he was unarmed and have demanded ‘Justice for Mark’.

But the man whose violent death triggered the Tottenham riots at the weekend makes an unlikely martyr.

On the streets of the Broadwater Farm estate, where Mark Duggan grew up, he was also known by another name: ‘Starrish Mark’.

It sounds like an innocent nickname; it was anything but. In fact, the word ‘Starrish’ denoted his membership of a notorious ‘crew’ called The Star Gang who strut the streets of London’s N17.

The stock-in-trade of such ‘postcode’ gangs is violence, intimidation and, more often than not, drugs.

Duggan himself, according to some residents, was a crack cocaine dealer who routinely carried a gun.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023556/Mark-Duggan-Violence-drugs-fatal-stabbing-unlikely-martyr.html#ixzz1Uk0gibIe

[broncocalijohn]

I think if you are in a gang called the Star Gang, that there should be reason to shoot you. Leonardo DiCaprio had a better gang name in Gangs of New York.

[alkemical]

I think if you are in a gang called the Star Gang, that there should be reason to shoot you. Leonardo DiCaprio had a better gang name in Gangs of New York.

If you were GangStarr, you'd have mass appeal (www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xtk8j9gAxCA).

[mhgaffney]

So has anyone figured out why all these crazy euro-liberal entitlement goons are rioting yet?

Is it really because "the man" who owns a corner store is "rich"?

Crazy Euro liberal entitlement goons?

Typical ignorant stupid dumbed down American knee jerk comment.

The answer is too simple for you: No jobs.

It's coming to America -- just wait.

What label will you pin them, then?

[baja]

Crazy Euro liberal entitlement goons?

Typical ignorant stupid dumbed down American knee jerk comment.

The answer is too simple for you: No jobs.

<b>It's coming to America -- just wait. </b>

What label will you pin them, then?

With a vengeance and guns too.

[ant1999e]

How many of these have occurred in states/metro areas that allow conceal and carry? I'm reminded of this scene:

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I'm your huckleberry!

[mhgaffney]

The street protests are even happening in Israel -- because of the bad economy. They have a tent city in Tel Aviv and at last report set up a French revolution style guillotine.

Watch out Netanyahu!

Don't believe it. Check this out.
MHG

http://www.roytov.com/articles/guillotine.htm

[sirhcyennek81]

Crazy Euro liberal entitlement goons?

Typical ignorant stupid dumbed down American knee jerk comment.

The answer is too simple for you: No jobs.

It's coming to America -- just wait.

What label will you pin them, then?


So they are rioting about no jobs in the UK, yet can afford cellphones to go on facebook and twitter.

Wonder where they got the $...

:Broncos:

[Pony Boy]

Flash Mob Rob 7-11

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[epicSocialism4tw]

Flash Mob Rob 7-11

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Where are these kids' parents?

Probably in jail or out in front of their apartment smoking pot and blasting 50 Cent.

[Tombstone RJ]

With a vengeance and guns too.

LOL

you're so weak bah-jah. your hate betrays you... on the surface you are this hippie liberal who loves all people and just wants to be loved by everyone because, yah-know, you're a swell guy. But on the inside you're a bitter old man.

[baja]

LOL

you're so weak bah-jah. your hate betrays you... on the surface you are this hippie liberal who loves all people and just wants to be loved by everyone because, yah-know, you're a swell guy. But on the inside you're a bitter old man.

Good job granite head, kill the messenger solve the problem. Right?


Just because I see what's coming doesn't make be bitter or unloving. Try and understand that.

[Tombstone RJ]

Good job granite head, kill the messenger solve the problem. Right?


Just because I see what's coming doesn't make be bitter or unloving. Try and understand that.

you want it to happen bro, that is why you are a joke.

[baja]

you want it to happen bro, that is why you are a joke.

What a stupid think to say. I have two daughters and 5 grand children living in the USA why would I want such a thing?

[alkemical]

I think BART was a psyop...