A Tea Party Triumph

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903341404576480653492061150.html

The framework (we haven't seen all the details) calls for an initial step of some $900 billion in domestic discretionary cuts over 10 years from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) baseline puffed up by recent spending. If the cuts hold, this would go some way to erasing the fiscal damage from the Obama-Nancy Pelosi stimulus. This is no small achievement considering that Republicans control neither the Senate nor the White House, and it underscores how much the GOP victory in November has reshaped the U.S. fiscal debate.



Not bad for a bunch a "Ya-hoos".

[W*GS]

Where are the cuts to the military?

[Smiling Assassin27]

On the plus side, without the Tea Party, Washington wouldn't even be TALKING about responsible spending, responsible tax reform, or debt ceilings. This has all been a foregone conclusion in perpetuity until these 'nuts' showed up with some principles and a hammer. Guys like Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, and Jim DeMint really had impressive showings in this whole thing. The Tea Party had a real and substantive effect on the way government does business giong forward and I think it'll translate into better election numbers for them as I think they learned that they can't run folks like O'Donnell and Angle who lack coherence, knowlege, and common sense.

The fact that they 'held hostage' the GOP and Congress in general is a testament to their passion and smarts, not a proof that they're dumb neanderthals. Much of America identifies with them on many issues, no matter how much Bill Maher cracks on 'em. When a boob like Obama or Reid calls you a 'financial terrorist', you take it as a compliment.

On the negative side, the Tea Party didn't take this where it needed to go--Cut Cap and Balance. I realize that their political power only goes so far--and that it will likely get stronger in time--but that's the only disappointment apart from giving this President a reprieve so he can work to get himself elected.

[alkemical]

I wonder how 900$Billion over ten years, really translates with inflation.

[Garcia Bronco]

I wonder how 900$Billion over ten years, really translates with inflation.

basically. that needs to be cut NOW along with another trillion. To put it another way, 900 billion is less than our currently yearly deficit.

[TheDave]

I wonder how 900$Billion over ten years, really translates with inflation.

With an annual deficit of well over $1 trillion... $90 billion in annual cuts (almost all in later years) hardly qualifies as a victory for fiscal conservatives.

I guess it just shows how hopelessly low the political bar really is.

[Garcia Bronco]

With an annual deficit of well over $1 trillion... $90 billion in annual cuts (almost all in later years) hardly qualifies as a victory for fiscal conservatives.

I guess it just shows how hopelessly low the political bar really is.

It was a 300 billion dollar yearly deficit in 2006. Which is bad. Since 2007 it's gone up to 1.3 trillion per year.

[TheDave]

It was a 300 billion dollar yearly deficit in 2006. Which is bad. Since 2007 it's gone up to 1.3 trillion per year.

I know... and now we are calling $90 billion in cuts a victory for hard line fiscal conservatives. It's a joke.

Now in fairness I think it is economic suicide to make any significant cuts this year but these cowards (all of them) not using this as a opportunity to completely revamp the tax code and put together a real long term budget plan is just unforgiveable.

[epicSocialism4tw]

On the plus side, without the Tea Party, Washington wouldn't even be TALKING about responsible spending, responsible tax reform, or debt ceilings. This has all been a foregone conclusion in perpetuity until these 'nuts' showed up with some principles and a hammer. Guys like Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, and Jim DeMint really had impressive showings in this whole thing. The Tea Party had a real and substantive effect on the way government does business giong forward and I think it'll translate into better election numbers for them as I think they learned that they can't run folks like O'Donnell and Angle who lack coherence, knowlege, and common sense.

The fact that they 'held hostage' the GOP and Congress in general is a testament to their passion and smarts, not a proof that they're dumb neanderthals. Much of America identifies with them on many issues, no matter how much Bill Maher cracks on 'em. When a boob like Obama or Reid calls you a 'financial terrorist', you take it as a compliment.

On the negative side, the Tea Party didn't take this where it needed to go--Cut Cap and Balance. I realize that their political power only goes so far--and that it will likely get stronger in time--but that's the only disappointment apart from giving this President a reprieve so he can work to get himself elected.

There are reasons why the leftists and the leftist media constantly try to slam the Tea Party.

Its because they are a threat to the cash cows of their party. Same goes for the Republicans.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I know... and now we are calling $90 billion in cuts a victory for hard line fiscal conservatives. It's a joke.

Now in fairness I think it is economic suicide to make any significant cuts this year but these cowards (all of them) not using this as a opportunity to completely revamp the tax code and put together a real long term budget plan is just unforgiveable.

Absolutely.

[Smiling Assassin27]

This guy impressed me much as well:

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[epicSocialism4tw]

Apparently Moody's was always going to downgrade our credit rating unless we cut something like 8-9 Trillion from the budget. The debt ceiling had nothing to do with it.

Its incredible how these politicians can lie and scheme and create these "solutions" to serious problems and think that they can just have their media people parrot some propaganda and that everything will be okay. The DOW fell today. That sure sounds like instilled confidence, doesn't it? Yikes.

It's looking more and more like the Tea Party has been right all along and that these scum bag politicians have been just trying to keep a hold onto their cash cows. Incredible.

[W*GS]

The teanderthals are trailer park nihilists, that's all.

[Tombstone RJ]

The Tea Party is the only bright spot in DC. It's funny how the lefty librals call them extremists when the Tea Party asks for things like a balanced budget.

Yah, them crazy teabaggers are just nutso, holding all of us 'mercans hostage!!!!

[epicSocialism4tw]

The Tea Party is the only bright spot in DC. It's funny how the lefty librals call them extremists when the Tea Party asks for things like a balanced budget.

Yah, them crazy teabaggers are just nutso, holding all of us 'mercans hostage!!!!

How dare they ask for a balanced budget! Theys just-a tryin' ta run gramma off a cliff!

[Garcia Bronco]

I know... and now we are calling $90 billion in cuts a victory for hard line fiscal conservatives. It's a joke.

Now in fairness I think it is economic suicide to make any significant cuts this year but these cowards (all of them) not using this as a opportunity to completely revamp the tax code and put together a real long term budget plan is just unforgiveable.

I can't agree with your more.

[Smiling Assassin27]

The Tea Party is the only bright spot in DC. It's funny how the lefty librals call them extremists when the Tea Party asks for things like a balanced budget.

Yah, them crazy teabaggers are just nutso, holding all of us 'mercans hostage!!!!


But, but, they spat on a black Democrat, called him the N-word, beat up a bunch of hippies that were peacefully smoking dope near their demonstration, were born with genetically mutated chromosomes, eat their own children, enslave women and traffick them to Fidel Castro, and perform exorcisms on Daily Show Staff at Comedy Central.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

This guy impressed me much as well:

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QFT!!!

[Bronco Yoda]

A victory for the tea party masters.... the ultra rich. Everyone else can suck it I guess.

[elsid13]

Is that why they all voted against it?

[Spider]

Is that why they all voted against it?

LOL I was wondering when someone was going to point this out

[Requiem]

Check the voting record you stupid ****.

[cutthemdown]

Where are the cuts to the military?

They are working at coming up with a list of programs and bases in heavily democratic areas to slate for shutdown. Hilarious!

[That One Guy]

Is that why they all voted against it?

I was wondering about that.

It's great that the Tea Party folk are highlighting the subject and drawing attention to it but if they continue to absolutely say no to everything, they risk alienating themselves and forcing Boner to start working with the Ds to get the votes he needs.

Boner surely values his position and influence over a group in individuals he sees as back-stabbing obstructionists.

[That One Guy]

Where are the cuts to the military?

It seemed like that was involved and not completely off the table. I think I saw 1:1 non-defense:defense cuts and something about if the new committee doesn't find the appropriate cuts, it could cut into defense somehow. It was really confusing and I didn't get it all but it seemed like the realization was there and people were going after it. It's the prized possession for some but it'll topple in due time.

[ant1999e]

This **** was a joke. They'll be raising the debt limit again in 2013.

[W*GS]

A victory for the tea party masters.... the ultra rich. Everyone else can suck it I guess.

The Koch brothers are having threesomes in celebration...

They claim TEA stands for "Taxed Enough Already", what it really means is "Totally Eviscerating America".

[W*GS]

It seemed like that was involved and not completely off the table. I think I saw 1:1 non-defense:defense cuts and something about if the new committee doesn't find the appropriate cuts, it could cut into defense somehow. It was really confusing and I didn't get it all but it seemed like the realization was there and people were going after it. It's the prized possession for some but it'll topple in due time.

I don't think so. The $900 billion comes from "domestic discretionary", which ignores the military, Medicare/Medicaid, and Social Security. You know, the 800 lb gorilla.

The cons are going after the programs they don't like, that's all. SSDD.

[epicSocialism4tw]

The Koch brothers are having threesomes in celebration...

They claim TEA stands for "Taxed Enough Already", what it really means is "Totally Eviscerating America".

W*GS really stands for "Cheesy Anacronyms".

[Boomhauer]

I'm not sure how $20-something billion in cuts for 2012 is anything to get excited about, especially since Boehner's 2011 CR compromise this spring was supposed to cut $30-something billion. This Prez and Congress love the 10-yr forecasts since it lets them claim large cuts, but nothing actually occurs until 2014 once they're kicked out of office.

Basically, this is a clean debt ceiling increase and the largest in history. Since little-O entered the White House annual deficits have spiked over $1tril/yr plus over $2tril/yr in counterfeited money has been produced by the Fed Reserve. The total deficit spending is over $3tril/yr and will not change until little-O and this Congress are replaced.

If there was any real concern about National debt/deficit, Congress would be aiming for $1tril/yr in deficit reductions minimum with a 'black' budget as the goal, as well as dissolve the Fed Reserve's balance sheet and practice of counterfeiting. Starting with $4tril over 10yrs in spending cuts, as well as start liquidating the Fed's assets, is a good first step that should have gone with a debt ceiling increase. After that (the 2012 budget due in under 60days), discussions of entitlement programs and tax code can cover the remaining $6-12tril over 10yrs in deficit reduction.

[alkemical]

The Koch brothers are having threesomes in celebration...

They claim TEA stands for "Taxed Enough Already", what it really means is "Totally Eviscerating America".

I was waiting for Coast2coastAM to come on, and Michael Savage was doing a segment on the Tea Party, and stated the "Tea Party Express" is the "real grass roots" movement, and the other is the co-opted faux movement.

Was interesting, I just haven't put more time into digging into that nugget of information.

I do know that when I went to some of the first tea party rallies "here", I noted that it was "a ClearChannel event". It was just a manufactured event.

Just something to keep in mind, or dig into. Just wanted to share that information.

[Boomhauer]

"Victory for the Tea Party?"
Is that why they all voted against it?
Wasn't just them. This voting divide wasn't along party lines, but the Progressives + GOP voting yes while those representing the people -Demos and Tea- voting against. Only good thing about this vote is it draws a clear line, just like the Patriot act did, between America's problem ('yes' votes) and the solution ('no' votes).

------ 'No' votes ------
R) 25% for the people
AL - Mo Brooks, Martha Roby
AZ - Trent Franks, Jeff Flake, Ben Quayle, David Schweikert
CA - Duncan D. Hunter, Tom McClintock, Devin Nunes
CO - Doug Lamborn, Scott Tipton
FL - Connie Mack, Bill Posey, Dennis Ross R, Steve Southerland, Cliff Stearns
GA - Paul Broun, Phil Gingrey, Tom Graves, Jack Kingston, Austin Scott, Lynn Westmoreland
IA - Steve King, Tom Latham
ID - Raul Labrador
IL - Randy Hultgren, Timothy V. Johnson, Joe Walsh
IN - Dan Burton, Todd Rokita, Marlin Stutzman
KS - Tim Huelskamp, Kevin Yoder
NY - Geoff Davis
LA - John Fleming, Jeff Landry, Steve Scalise
MD - Andy Harris
MI - Justin Amash
MN - Michele Bachmann, Chip Cravaack
MO - Todd Akin, Vicky Hartzler
MT - Denny Rehberg
NC - Walter B. Jones
NJ - Scott Garrett
NM - Steve Pearce
NY - Ann Marie Buerkle
OH - Jim Jordan, Michael R. Turner
SC - Jeffrey Duncan, Trey Gowdy, Mick Mulvaney, Tim Scott, Joe Wilson
TN - Scott DesJarlais, Chuck Fleischmann
TX - Louie Gohmert, Ralph M. Hall, Randy Neugebauer, Ron Paul, Ted Poe
UT - Rob Bishop, Jason Chaffetz
VA - J. Randy Forbes, Morgan Griffith

D) 50% for the people (though there was crossover to get an even split)
AZ - Raúl M. Grijalva, Ed Pastor
CA - Xavier Becerra, Dennis Cardoza, Judy Chu, Sam Farr, Bob Filner, Janice Hahn, Michael M. Honda, Barbara Lee, Zoe Lofgren, Doris Matsui, Jerry McNerney, George Miller, Grace F. Napolitano, Laura Richardson, Lucille Roybal-Allard, Linda T. Sanchez, Pete Stark, Maxine Waters, Henry A. Waxman, Lynn Woolsey
CO - Diana DeGette
CT - Rosa DeLauro, John B. Larson, Christopher S. Murphy
FL - Corrine Brown, Alcee L. Hastings
GA - John Lewis
IA - Leonard L. Boswell, Bruce Braley, Dave Loebsack
IL - Jesse L. Jackson Jr., Jan Schakowsky
IN - André Carson, Peter J. Visclosky
KY - John Yarmuth
MA - Michael E. Capuano, Barney Frank, Edward J. Markey, Jim McGovern, Richard E. Neal, John W. Olver, John F. Tierney
MD - Elijah E. Cummings, Donna Edwards, John Sarbanes
ME - Chellie Pingree
MI - Hansen Clarke, John Conyers Jr., Gary Peters
MN - Keith Ellison, Betty McCollum
MO - Emanuel Cleaver II
MS - Bennie Thompson
NC - G. K. Butterfield, Larry Kissell, Mike McIntyre, Brad Miller, David E. Price, Melvin Watt
NJ - Rush Holt, Frank Pallone, Donald M. Payne
NM - Ben Ray Lujan
NY - Gary L. Ackerman, Yvette D. Clarke, Joseph Crowley, Eliot L. Engel, Carolyn B. Maloney, Jerrold Nadler, Charles B. Rangel, José E. Serrano, Louise M. Slaughter, Paul Tonko, Edolphus Towns, Nydia M. Velázquez
OH - Marcia L. Fudge, Marcy Kaptur, Dennis J. Kucinich, Tim Ryan, Betty Sutton
OR - Earl Blumenauer, Peter A. DeFazio
PA - Mike Doyle
TN - Steve Cohen
TX - Charlie Gonzalez, Al Green, Silvestre Reyes
VA - James P. Moran, Robert C. Scott
VT - Peter Welch
WI - Tammy Baldwin
WA - Jim McDermott, Adam Smith


------ Yes votes ------
R) 75% for the beast
AK - Don Young
AL - Robert B. Aderholt, Spencer Bachus, Jo Bonner, Mike D. Rogers
AR - Rick Crawford, Tim Griffin, Steve Womack
AZ - Paul Gosar
CA - Brian P. Bilbray, Mary Bono Mack, Ken Calvert, John Campbell, Jeffrey Denham, David Dreier, Elton Gallegly, Wally Herger, Darrell Issa, Jerry Lewis, Dan Lungren, Kevin McCarthy, Howard P. McKeon, Gary G. Miller, Dana Rohrabacher, Ed Royce
CO - Mike Coffman, Cory Gardner
FL - Sandra Adams, Gus Bilirakis, Vern Buchanan, Ander Crenshaw, Mario Diaz-Balart, John L. Mica, Jeff Miller, Richard Nugent, David Rivera, Tom Rooney, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Daniel Webster, Allen West, C. W. Bill Young
GA - Tom Price, Rob Woodall
ID - Mike Simpson
IL - Judy Biggert, Robert Dold, Adam Kinzinger, Donald Manzullo, Peter Roskam, Bobby Schilling, Aaron Schock, John Shimkus
IN - Larry Bucshon, Mike Pence, Todd Young
KS - Lynn Jenkins, Mike Pompeo
KY - Harold Rogers, Edward Whitfield
LA - Rodney Alexander, Charles Boustany Jr., Bill Cassidy
MD - Roscoe G. Bartlett
MI - Dan Benishek, Dave Camp, Bill Huizenga, Thaddeus McCotter, Candice S. Miller, Mike Rogers, Fred Upton, Tim Walberg
MN - John Kline, Erik Paulsen
MO - Jo Ann Emerson, Sam Graves, Billy Long, Blaine Luetkemeyer
MS - Gregg Harper, Alan Nunnelee, Steven Palazzo
NC - Howard Coble, Renee Ellmers, Virginia Foxx, Patrick T. McHenry, Sue Myrick
ND - Rick Berg
NE - Jeff Fortenberry, Adrian Smith, Lee Terry
NH - Charles F. Bass, Frank Guinta
NJ - Rodney Frelinghuysen, Brett Guthrie, Leonard Lance, Frank A. LoBiondo, Jon Runyan, Christopher H. Smith
NV - Joe Heck
NY - Chris Gibson, Mike Grimm, Richard Hanna, Nan Hayworth, Peter T. King, Tom Reed
OH - Steve Austria, John A. Boehner, Steven J. Chabot, Bob Gibbs, Bill Johnson, Steven C. LaTourette, Robert E. Latta, Jim Renacci, Jean Schmidt, Steve Stivers, Pat Tiberi
OK - Tom Cole, James Lankford, Frank D. Lucas, John Sullivan
OR - Greg Walden
PA - Lou Barletta, Charlie Dent, Michael G. Fitzpatrick, Jim Gerlach, Mike Kelly, Tom Marino, Pat Meehan, Tim Murphy, Joe Pitts, Todd R. Platts, Bill Shuster, Glenn Thompson
SD - Kristi Noem
TN - Diane Black, Marsha Blackburn, John J. Duncan Jr., Stephen Fincher, Phil Roe
TX - Joe L. Barton, Kevin Brady, Michael C. Burgess, Francisco Canseco, John Carter, K. Michael Conaway, John Culberson, Blake Farenthold, Bill Flores, Kay Granger, Jeb Hensarling, Sam Johnson, Kenny Marchant, Michael McCaul, Pete Olson, Pete Sessions, Lamar Smith, William M. Thornberry
VA - Eric Cantor, Robert W. Goodlatte, Robert Hurt, Scott Rigell, Robert J. Wittman, Frank R. Wolf
WA - Doc Hastings, Jaime Herrera Beutler, Cathy McMorris Rodgers, Dave Reichert
WI - Sean Duffy, Tom Petri, Reid Ribble, Paul D. Ryan, F. James Sensenbrenner
WV - Shelley Moore Capito, David McKinley
WY - Cynthia M. Lummis

D) 50% for the beast
AL - Terri Sewell
AR - Mike Ross
AZ - Gabrielle Giffords
CA - Karen Bass, Howard L. Berman, Lois Capps, Jim Costa, Susan A. Davis, Anna G. Eshoo, John Garamendi, Nancy Pelosi, Loretta Sanchez, Adam B. Schiff, Brad Sherman, Jackie Speier, Mike Thompson
CO - Ed Perlmutter, Jared Polis
CT - Joe Courtney, Jim Himes
DE - John Carney
FL - Kathy Castor, Ted Deutch, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Frederica Wilson
GA - John Barrow, Sanford D. Bishop Jr., Hank Johnson, David Scott
HI - Colleen Hanabusa, Mazie K. Hirono
IL - Jerry F. Costello, Danny K. Davis, Luis V. Gutierrez, Daniel Lipinski, Mike Quigley, Bobby L. Rush
IN - Joe Donnelly
KY - Ben Chandler
LA - Cedric Richmond
MA - Bill Keating, Stephen F. Lynch, Niki Tsongas
MD - Steny H. Hoyer, C.A. Dutch Ruppersberger, Chris Van Hollen
ME - Michael H. Michaud
MI - John D. Dingell, Dale E. Kildee, Sander M. Levin
MN - Collin C. Peterson, Tim Walz
MO - Russ Carnahan, William Lacy Clay
NC - Heath Shuler
NJ - Robert E. Andrews, Bill Pascrell Jr., Steven R. Rothman, Albio Sires
NM - Martin Heinrich
NV - Shelley Berkley
NY - Timothy H. Bishop , Brian Higgins, Kathy Hochul, Steve Israel, Nita M. Lowey, Carolyn McCarthy, Gregory W. Meeks, Bill Owens
OK - Dan Boren
OR - Kurt Schrader, David Wu
PA - Jason Altmire, Robert A. Brady, Mark Critz, Chaka Fattah, Tim Holden, Allyson Y. Schwartz
RI - David Cicilline, Jim Langevin
SC - James E. Clyburn
TN - Jim Cooper
TX - Henry Cuellar, Lloyd Doggett, Gene Green, Rubén Hinojosa, Sheila Jackson-Lee, Eddie Bernice Johnson
UT - Jim Matheson
VA - Gerald E. Connolly
WA - Norman D. *****, Jay Inslee, Rick Larsen
WI - Ron Kind
WV - Nick J. Rahall II

[Spider]

Politics as usual , this is why 3 rd party candidates are a wasted vote . Both parties have congress lock tight , Bernie Sanders is the only Real Socialist to run as a socialist and win... The deal is everyone biatches bout congress low approval ratings , but when they see congress , they see it like this ...... A guy from wyoming thinks the repesentive he voted for is a good guy , it is the guys from other states that is ****ing it up and so on etc ......... So Congress knows they can pull shiat like this and get by with it ......I am a blue dog ,really dont vote party line , really isnt much of a difference anymore ,not sure there ever was .....

[Spider]

PS......... I was very happy under clinton during his tenure , was the best times we had ...Even heard Sheppard Smith on Fox news admit this ......Oh and Clinton raised taxes

[Pony Boy]

The teanderthals are trailer park nihilists, that's all.

Did you ever stop and think that we wouldn't be in this mess if the people that should be living in trailer parks actually did live in trailer parks.

Certainly a lot of smart retired people have figured this out and budget their retirement funds. Hey but you keep f-ing that Fannie and Freddie chicken it's the American dream right?

[Spider]

Certainly a lot of smart retired people have figured this out and budget their retirement funds. Hey but you keep f-ing that Fannie and Freddie chicken it's the American dream right?

his right here is the entire problem , government shouldnt be a for profit institution , government should do what it is meant to do , see everyone else in the world gets this but us , we should get budget under control ,The Dems are off with the pay as you go plan , and the Reps and their lets charge it plan doesnt work either .....I dont want Government to have a retirement plan , I want them to have a plan to keep America moving and #1 at everything

[Bronx33]

Accountability may finally make a return.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Deadbeat Dad Joe Walsh Loses It, Screams At Constituents, Defends Banks

November 8, 2011
By Stephen D. Foster Jr. (http://www.addictinginfo.org/author/stephen-foster/)

http://www.addictinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Walsh-300x197.jpg (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/11/08/deadbeat-dad-joe-walsh-loses-it-screams-at-constituents-defends-banks/ct-met-aj-1-joe-walsh/)Looks like the deadbeat dad comments are starting to get under the skin of Joe Walsh. At an event in Illinois, the Tea Party congressman melted down when he was challenged by his own constituents to explain why banks and their lobbyists have such a grip on the regulating agencies that are supposed to prevent them from causing economic recessions. After being repeatedly asked about why banks have such privileges, the derelict dad lost it.


http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/11/08/deadbeat-dad-joe-walsh-loses-it-screams-at-constituents-defends-banks/

[DenverBrit]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903341404576480653492061150.html



Not bad for a bunch a "Ya-hoos".

Those 'yahoos' lost the vote, so where is the Tea Party triumph??

[Rohirrim]

It's easy to be a tea party troglodyte. All you have to do is limit your view of history to Jan 20th, 2009. Anything before that, doesn't exist.

[pricejj]

It's easy to be a tea party troglodyte. All you have to do is limit your view of history to Jan 20th, 2009. Anything before that, doesn't exist.

These two days are pretty important:

July 4, 1776 - Declaration of Independence from Britain
September 17, 1787 - The U.S. Constitution was signed

[epicSocialism4tw]

It's easy to be a tea party troglodyte. All you have to do is limit your view of history to Jan 20th, 2009. Anything before that, doesn't exist.

Fool.


This is the same clown who loves the Occupy crazies.

[Rohirrim]

Deadbeat Dad Joe Walsh Loses It, Screams At Constituents, Defends Banks

November 8, 2011
By Stephen D. Foster Jr. (http://www.addictinginfo.org/author/stephen-foster/)

http://www.addictinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Walsh-300x197.jpg (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/11/08/deadbeat-dad-joe-walsh-loses-it-screams-at-constituents-defends-banks/ct-met-aj-1-joe-walsh/)Looks like the deadbeat dad comments are starting to get under the skin of Joe Walsh. At an event in Illinois, the Tea Party congressman melted down when he was challenged by his own constituents to explain why banks and their lobbyists have such a grip on the regulating agencies that are supposed to prevent them from causing economic recessions. After being repeatedly asked about why banks have such privileges, the derelict dad lost it.


http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/11/08/deadbeat-dad-joe-walsh-loses-it-screams-at-constituents-defends-banks/

What a prick.

[Rohirrim]

Fool.


This is the same clown who loves the Occupy crazies.

Is that supposed to be a comeback?

Pathetic.

[Rohirrim]

These two days are pretty important:

July 4, 1776 - Declaration of Independence from Britain
September 17, 1787 - The U.S. Constitution was signed

And we all know the Libertarians own those two events. All you have to do is listen to them. I sometimes think that they think they wrote the damn things. I think they own the flag, too. Oh, and the Statue of Liberty... wait. I don't think they want that one. That's got all that "Bring me your tired, hungry and poor" **** going on. That's the last thing they want. ;D

[TonyR]

You righties are so lost on what's really going on. Check out Sullivan's devastating takedown of the tea party, and the GOP, linked below.

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/11/the-tea-partys-delusion.html

[TonyR]

We've seen the polls showing a shift in Americans' views of inequality and their support of higher taxes for the wealthiest as part of a debt-reduction package. We've seen the accelerating moderation on marriage equality and marijuana. We've noticed the Tea Party's further alienation of minority voters, and now, with the Cain circus, possible intensification of the gender gap. We've noticed that increasing numbers of voters, including independents, regard the GOP as potentially sabotaging the economy purely in order to defeat Obama. Now we are seeing the effect of all this in actual elections. And the GOP primary campaign has also underlined just how marginal, ideological and inexperienced many of the presidential candidates are. A party that gives a motivational speaker ten times the support of a two-term governor of Utah, re-elected with 84 percent of the vote, with strong bipartisan credentials and an even stronger tax reform plan ... well, it's a party in free-fall that also doesn't understand that it is.

Look at PPP's polling in Ohio right now:

Obama continues to suffer from poor approval ratings in Ohio with only 41% of voters approving of him to 49% who disapprove. But voters don't seem to consider any of his opponents to be viable alternatives ... On our weekend poll, which got the final result of Issue 2 correct to within a point, Obama led all of his Republican opponents in the state by margins ranging from 9-17 points.

Obama led Mitt Romney 50-41 on our poll. He was up 11 points on Herman Cain at 50-39, 13 on Newt Gingrich at 51-38, 14 on Ron Paul at 50-36, 14 on Michele Bachmann at 51-37 and a whooping 17 points on Rick Perry at 53-36. It used to be Sarah Palin's numbers that we compared to Barry Goldwater, but Perry's deficit would represent the largest Republican defeat in Ohio since 1964.

For this party, Herman Cain is the perfect nominee (since Palin simply couldn't overcome her lies and pathologies). Because it is increasingly clear he is the master of complete denial of reality and has no actual experience in any public office.

[alkemical]

It's not Cain's lack of experience that bothers me, it's his thirst for power that bothers me. I am tired of having these egomaniacs running things.

Blah - just makes me feel dirty.

[pricejj]

And we all know the Libertarians own those two events. All you have to do is listen to them. I sometimes think that they think they wrote the damn things. I think they own the flag, too. Oh, and the Statue of Liberty... wait. I don't think they want that one. That's got all that "Bring me your tired, hungry and poor" **** going on. That's the last thing they want. ;D

The New Colossus
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Emma Lazarus, 1883


"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free" is inscribed on the base of the Statue of Liberty and demonstrates the promise that freedom in America holds for immigrants from around the world. The Statue of Liberty is a beacon of hope and freedom for all people, knowing that with hard work and due diligence, they too can escape poverty and oppression and achieve success, afforded by the principles of the Constitution of the United States of America, which limits the overreach and power of government.

How dare you attempt to defame the Statue of Liberty with your Socialist rhetoric. You should be ashamed.

[TonyR]

[Y]esterday’s elections were a rejection of a party that’s been defined for the past few months by Michelle Bachman, Ron Paul, and Herman Cain. So can Democrats take some hope from last night’s results? Provisionally; sort of. If Barack Obama can make next year’s election a choice between his ineffectual moderation and the Republicans’ wacked-out lunacy, the Democrats should do well. If next year’s election is a referendum on his stewardship of the economy—and none of yesterday’s contests were anything close to that—the Democrats will likely get clobbered. It’s clear that Americans have had it with Republican extremism. Whether that will be a decisive issue in 2012 is not yet apparent.

http://prospect.org/article/return-sanity

[That One Guy]

[Y]esterday’s elections were a rejection of a party that’s been defined for the past few months by Michelle Bachman, Ron Paul, and Herman Cain. So can Democrats take some hope from last night’s results? Provisionally; sort of. If Barack Obama can make next year’s election a choice between his ineffectual moderation and the Republicans’ wacked-out lunacy, the Democrats should do well. If next year’s election is a referendum on his stewardship of the economy—and none of yesterday’s contests were anything close to that—the Democrats will likely get clobbered. It’s clear that Americans have had it with Republican extremism. Whether that will be a decisive issue in 2012 is not yet apparent.

http://prospect.org/article/return-sanity

I think a lot of people support "Republican Extremism" in theory but then when it hits practical implementation, they vote with their wallets. People are still electing the guy that promises them the most.

That sounds so scary and dangerous to our future.

[alkemical]

I think a lot of people support "Republican Extremism" in theory but then when it hits practical implementation, they vote with their wallets. People are still electing the guy that promises them the most.

That sounds so scary and dangerous to our future.

You see how the con works, don't you?