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supermanhr9
07-29-2011, 07:20 AM
Not sure if it's worth a thread, delete/merge if necessary.... but does anyone have any info on the news below?



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Will he be traded or not? Here's the latest that we're hearing.

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Man-Goblin
07-29-2011, 07:22 AM
Is this spam or what the hell is this

Rabb
07-29-2011, 07:23 AM
I effin' KNEW it!

cmhargrove
07-29-2011, 07:23 AM
HOT BREAKING NEWS!

The BRONCOS ARE TRYING TO TRADE ORTON!

Check back soon for details. I'll tweet it or twat it or charge you for it later.
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jhns
07-29-2011, 07:23 AM
Is this insider? Do you have a link?

RhymesayersDU
07-29-2011, 07:25 AM
From Insider:

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UPDATE: With Tim Tebow being outshined by Kyle Orton at Denver Broncos training camp on Thursday (as detailed below), the argument could easily be made for the Broncos to hang on to the Purdue grad for another season. And if the Miami Dolphins don't improve their offer, that could be just what happens.

Jeff Darlington of the Miami Herald provided a snapshot of where the negotiations stand as of Friday morning. The Dolphins are currently offering an unknown package of draft picks, and the Broncos are not satisfied with the ransom.

Darlington adds, though, that while a deal seemed closer earlier in the week, the negotiations aren't dead yet.

As of now, however, Miami will begin camp with Chad Henne, Pat Devlin and Tom Brandstater as their three options at the most important position in pro sports.

- Tim Kavanagh

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UPDATE: "I expect to be here. I expect to be the starter here and go out there and play the best football of my career."

The "I" in that paragraph is Kyle Orton, and the "here" is with the Denver Broncos, not the Miami Dolphins. It was long believed Orton would be traded to the Dolphins by now, but the Broncos are reportedly unhappy with Miami's offer. And after the team's first official practice of the season, Denver's asking price may have gone up even higher.

Mike Klis of the Denver Post that Orton badly outplayed Tim Tebow in practice.

"Orton was his usual polished self, always knowing which of the receivers was open, and hitting them with precision," Klis writes. "The Orton-Brandon Lloyd connections down the field picked up where they left off in 2010.

"Tebow got just as many reps, but was a tick slower in reading how the play developed and his passes weren't nearly as precise.

In fact, Klis says that based on one practice, Tebow might be below Brady Quinn on the depth chart.

"True, one workout does not a competition make," Klis writes. "And it's probably not fair to compare Orton, who has been a four-season starter in the NFL, to Tebow, who has started just three games.

"It's just that if Orton isn't traded to the Miami Dolphins or any other team in coming weeks, it would be shocking if he's not the Broncos' starting quarterback in their regular-season opener Sept. 12."

UPDATE: >ESPN's John Clayton is reporting that the holdup in the Kyle Orton trade is easy to explain: The Denver Broncos are not satisfied with the Miami Dolphins' offer. If the Dolphins don't bring more to the table, Clayton says Denver will be not hesitate to call off the deal and hang on to Orton.

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UPDATE: A new day is here, and Kyle Orton is still a Denver Bronco. In fact, according to Gregg Rosenthal of ProFootballTalk.com, the Denver Post is reporting that Orton will be practicing with the first team today.

Chad Reuter of CBSSports.com says that announcement is all about leverage. "Letting teams know they'll keep him if the right deal doesn't come along," he writes.

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UPDATE: Sources tell Rumor Central that Kyle Orton will likely be traded to the Miami Dolphins by the end of the day.

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UPDATE: Ben Volin of the Palm Beach Post names Phillp Merling and Randy Starks as potential bargaining chips in a trade.

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UPDATE: Ben Volin of the Palm Beach Post suggests that if Kyle Orton is traded to the Miami Dolphins, the Denver Broncos may get a player or two in return instead of a draft pick. Volin points out that Denver needs defensive linemen, and the Dolphins are stacked at that position.

One monkeywrench in that plan: The Dolphins run a 3-4, and the Broncos are looking to transition to a 4-3.

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UPDATE: Omar Kelly of the Orlando Sun-Sentinel reports that the Miami Dolphins are talking to Kyle Orton about the terms of a contract extension. Orton's contract expires at the end of the year, and both player and team want a long-term deal agreed to before a trade is finished.

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UPDATE: Albert Breer and Jason La Canfora of NFL Network say the following teams are in the hunt for Kyle Orton: the Miami Dolphins, Arizona Cardinals, Minnesota Vikings, Tennessee Titans.

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UPDATE: ESPN AFC West blogger Bil Williamson checks in with what it may take to get Kyle Orton away from the Denver Broncos in a trade:

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Mike Klis of the Denver Post reports that the Denver Broncos are willing to trade quarterback Kyle Orton.

ESPN NFC East blogger Dan Graziano explains that with another quarterback available, the trade value of Kevin Kolb just went down:

- Vince Verhei


Dan Graziano
The market just shifted
"We are minutes away from the opening of the trade season, and everybody expects the Eagles to send Kolb to the Arizona Cardinals. But as we've also discussed many times, the Eagles will (and should) only move Kolb if they're getting very good value for him. The Cardinals, of course, will want to get him as cheaply as possible. And if they can convince the Eagles (whether it's true or not) that Orton is on their radar as another viable option, it will help Arizona's leverage in negotiations."

Bill Williamson
The price for Orton
"If Denver gets a decent offer (perhaps a third-round pick or a conditional second) Orton could be shipped out of Denver shortly and the Tim Tebow era would officially start in Denver. Miami, Arizona, Minnesota and Tennessee are among of the teams that could be in play for Orton."

Man-Goblin
07-29-2011, 07:31 AM
LOL @ the article calling Kyle Orton "the Purdue grad".

Jesterhole
07-29-2011, 07:34 AM
I don't understand how holding onto Orton for another year will help the team in any way. We need to see what Tebow can do, and if we keep Kyle, then we'll just stunt his growth.

This team is rebuilding, and it is more important to evaluate our young talent than use a stop-gap to try and squeak out another 2-3 wins.

Kaylore
07-29-2011, 07:37 AM
Thanks Rhyms. That really organizes it and now we see where everything is at.

FADERPROOF
07-29-2011, 07:39 AM
So the Dolphins have Henne, Devlin, and Brandstater at QB and they dont want to meet the Broncos demands for Orton?

BroncosMT
07-29-2011, 07:40 AM
I don't understand how holding onto Orton for another year will help the team in any way. We need to see what Tebow can do, and if we keep Kyle, then we'll just stunt his growth.

This team is rebuilding, and it is more important to evaluate our young talent than use a stop-gap to try and squeak out another 2-3 wins.

^5 This

BroncosMT
07-29-2011, 07:43 AM
I don't understand how holding onto Orton for another year will help the team in any way. We need to see what Tebow can do, and if we keep Kyle, then we'll just stunt his growth.

This team is rebuilding, and it is more important to evaluate our young talent than use a stop-gap to try and squeak out another 2-3 wins.

Maybe its Elway's passive way of getting a shot at Luck next year

jhns
07-29-2011, 07:56 AM
I hope Klis' stupidity helps make the Dolphins meet our Elways demands.

WolfpackGuy
07-29-2011, 08:06 AM
What's the potential compensation should the Broncos hold Orton until not resigning him next offseason?

And can they eat some his current contract just to move him?

SonOfLe-loLang
07-29-2011, 08:15 AM
What's the potential compensation should the Broncos hold Orton until not resigning him next offseason?

And can they eat some his current contract just to move him?

How the f does looking good during one TC practice change an entire off season long thought process. If that's the case, screw tebow and orton, let's trade Jeremiah Johnson for Tom brady

Agamemnon
07-29-2011, 08:17 AM
Please tell me our FO isn't as clueless as this info would make them appear. Tell me it's all a smoke screen to up Orton's value. Lie to me if you have to...

Agamemnon
07-29-2011, 08:18 AM
How the f does looking good during one TC practice change an entire off season long thought process. If that's the case, screw tebow and orton, let's trade Jeremiah Johnson for Tom brady

Indeed. We know what Orton is. It doesn't matter how he ****ing practices...

supermanhr9
07-29-2011, 08:20 AM
Thanks Rhyms. That really organizes it and now we see where everything is at.

AGREED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE UPDATE

TonyR
07-29-2011, 08:28 AM
Please tell me our FO isn't as clueless as this info would make them appear. Tell me it's all a smoke screen to up Orton's value. Lie to me if you have to...

Just curious where/how the FO looks "clueless" here. They haven't gotten the compensation they're asking for and haven't caved. How is that "clueless", exactly? Because they haven't met your timeline?

Agamemnon
07-29-2011, 08:39 AM
Just curious where/how the FO looks "clueless" here. They haven't gotten the compensation they're asking for and haven't caved. How is that "clueless", exactly? Because they haven't met your timeline?

What's clueless is entertaining the thought of starting Orton again if we can't trade him. We need to get whatever we can for the guy, and if Miami has made the best offer we need to take it. Otherwise we end up paying a guy 8.8 million to a) leave next season with no compensation and b) keep Tebow off the field so we end up wondering what we have once again next year.

We need to clear up cap room. We need to clarify the QB situation (which won't happen until Orton is gone apparently). We need to get whatever value we can out of the guy before he leaves next season. So far the FO seems to have no real understanding of any of these things, and are therefore seemingly clueless.

Irish Stout
07-29-2011, 08:49 AM
What's clueless is entertaining the thought of starting Orton again if we can't trade him. We need to get whatever we can for the guy, and if Miami has made the best offer we need to take it. Otherwise we end up paying a guy 8.8 million to a) leave next season with no compensation and b) keep Tebow off the field so we end up wondering what we have once again next year.

We need to clear up cap room. We need to clarify the QB situation (which won't happen until Orton is gone apparently). We need to get whatever value we can out of the guy before he leaves next season. So far the FO seems to have no real understanding of any of these things, and are therefore seemingly clueless.

We don't have as great a need to clear cap room this season as we will next when the dead money from this year's cuts gets applied. Why not suck up the $8 mil this year and have the QB the Broncos think can win now, rather than having $4 mil in dead Orton money next?

The biggest thing is that the FO thinks (or at least says) they can win this year, and Fox probably likes his chances with Orton better than Tebow. Look who he had manning his O in Carolina. They will trade Orton if the value is there, if its just a turd with rainbow sprinkles, then why the hell should they buy it when they believe it gives them less of a shot to win.

If Orton and Tebow are kept, then Tebow still has a shot to beat out Orton, if he doesn't, it means he is not ready this year. Another year to work and develop shouldn't hurt our south paw QB and should make his hunger to play and win greater. I think the FO is walking this fine line perfectly, though it drives us crazy cause we want Tebow.

That One Guy
07-29-2011, 08:52 AM
I think we've all convinced ourselves that Tebow is as good or better than Orton. I think there's also some meat to the theories that Orton's issues last year stemmed from being unable to actually play with the injuries he had. IF Orton is actually better than Tebow and IF the team can actually build in those other areas that held the team back last year, I wouldn't be sad to see Tebow sit another year. There's been some good QBs sit a year and some decent QBs screwed by being rushed in too fast.

This feels very reminiscent of the old days and feels like it could break into a full blown Orton v Tebow along the lines of Cutler v Plummer. It started last year when Orton started tanking and could be bad this year if Orton stays since everyone expected Tebow time.

supermanhr9
07-29-2011, 08:57 AM
7-3 with Plummer when we pulled him, then we missed the playoffs if I remember correctly?

Pick Six
07-29-2011, 09:11 AM
I think we've all convinced ourselves that Tebow is as good or better than Orton. I think there's also some meat to the theories that Orton's issues last year stemmed from being unable to actually play with the injuries he had. IF Orton is actually better than Tebow and IF the team can actually build in those other areas that held the team back last year, I wouldn't be sad to see Tebow sit another year. There's been some good QBs sit a year and some decent QBs screwed by being rushed in too fast.



Nope. Not all of us...:gus:

Hercules Rockefeller
07-29-2011, 09:14 AM
7-3 with Plummer when we pulled him, then we missed the playoffs if I remember correctly?

You mean the team that had the #1 scoring defense the first 7 weeks and the worst scoring defense the last 9?

Yeah, Plummer was a huge part of the early record. Not like he was benched because the offense wasn't scoring any points and the defense couldn't cover it up anymore.

TonyR
07-29-2011, 09:22 AM
What's clueless is entertaining the thought of starting Orton again if we can't trade him.

You're assuming they are entertaining such a thought.

mkporter
07-29-2011, 09:22 AM
You mean the team that had the #1 scoring defense the first 7 weeks and the worst scoring defense the last 9?

Yeah, Plummer was a huge part of the early record. Not like he was benched because the offense wasn't scoring any points and the defense couldn't cover it up anymore.

This. I'm a big Plummer fan, but he sucked the whole year.

Dagmar
07-29-2011, 09:26 AM
Great, the Dolphins are Signing Matt Moore.

TailgateNut
07-29-2011, 09:28 AM
Bawahahaha.

Bob's your Information Minister
07-29-2011, 09:29 AM
Wow, way to blunder that deal, Donks.

Peoples Champ
07-29-2011, 09:30 AM
Great, the Dolphins are Signing Matt Moore.


where u see this?

epicSocialism4tw
07-29-2011, 09:36 AM
I think we've all convinced ourselves that Tebow is as good or better than Orton. I think there's also some meat to the theories that Orton's issues last year stemmed from being unable to actually play with the injuries he had. IF Orton is actually better than Tebow and IF the team can actually build in those other areas that held the team back last year, I wouldn't be sad to see Tebow sit another year. There's been some good QBs sit a year and some decent QBs screwed by being rushed in too fast.

This feels very reminiscent of the old days and feels like it could break into a full blown Orton v Tebow along the lines of Cutler v Plummer. It started last year when Orton started tanking and could be bad this year if Orton stays since everyone expected Tebow time.

At this point we all know what Orton is. We all know what the Broncos are.

We know that Orton is not the type of player who can carry the type of team that the Broncos are.

Orton would have to be Peyton Manning to make this team competitive. The run defense is so incredibly poor that the Broncos would have to have a dominant offense to remain competitive in games. Orton is not the type of player who can deliver that offense, and the run game is so terrible that the team cannot depend on that either.

Orton is just wasting our time.

If the Broncos do not fortify the run defense, then theyre settling for a poor season. If they are settling for a poor season, then there is no reason to waste time playing Orton.

bowtown
07-29-2011, 09:42 AM
At this point we all know what Orton is. We all know what the Broncos are.

We know that Orton is not the type of player who can carry the type of team that the Broncos are.

Orton would have to be Peyton Manning to make this team competitive. The run defense is so incredibly poor that the Broncos would have to have a dominant offense to remain competitive in games. Orton is not the type of player who can deliver that offense, and the run game is so terrible that the team cannot depend on that either.

Orton is just wasting our time.

If the Broncos do not fortify the run defense, then theyre settling for a poor season. If they are settling for a poor season, then there is no reason to waste time playing Orton.

We can't keep Orton. I like him a lot more than most here, but QB controversies do nothing but hurt a team and the players involved. This FO CAN'T start Orton over Tebow, even if he looks better than him. It would be a massive PR mistake, and you can't have Orton sitting on the bench thinking he should be starting and is getting a raw deal. They have to get rid of him somehow. I'd also like to see Delhomme brought in as a mentor... IMO your backup needs to be there to help your starter succeed, not to constantly be trying to suplant him.

That One Guy
07-29-2011, 09:46 AM
At this point we all know what Orton is. We all know what the Broncos are.

We know that Orton is not the type of player who can carry the type of team that the Broncos are.

Orton would have to be Peyton Manning to make this team competitive. The run defense is so incredibly poor that the Broncos would have to have a dominant offense to remain competitive in games. Orton is not the type of player who can deliver that offense, and the run game is so terrible that the team cannot depend on that either.

Orton is just wasting our time.

If the Broncos do not fortify the run defense, then theyre settling for a poor season. If they are settling for a poor season, then there is no reason to waste time playing Orton.

Two reasons from what you suggested that I think would be worth consideration:

If the team is going to lose anyways, don't ruin the public's infatuation with Tebow. It could spoil the city on him, make him question himself, or even worse - end up ruining his career along the lines of whatshisface in Houston who they could just tee off on for so many years.

The second is if he's not actually going to provide any hope, why not let him cater to fixing his mechanics and learning for another season? It seems the success rate is pretty high when these guys are able to sit and learn for a few seasons. If there's nothing lost in doing so, I'd rather watch Tebow succeed for a decade than watch him try to carry the team on his back for a couple years.

That One Guy
07-29-2011, 09:47 AM
We can't keep Orton. I like him a lot more than most here, but QB controversies do nothing but hurt a team and the players involved. This FO CAN'T start Orton over Tebow, even if he looks better than him. It would be a massive PR mistake, and you can't have Orton sitting on the bench thinking he should be starting and is getting a raw deal. They have to get rid of him somehow. I'd also like to see Delhomme brought in as a mentor... IMO your backup needs to be there to help your starter succeed, not to constantly be trying to suplant him.

You think even if Orton is the better QB, he needs to go to make room for Tebow?

That sounds like a scenario in which many fans are in for a rude awakening when the reality hits.

Cito Pelon
07-29-2011, 09:49 AM
Miami Herald media guy Jeff Darlington saying Miami looking to sign Matt Moore from Carolina.

BroncosMT
07-29-2011, 09:51 AM
Miami Herald media guy Jeff Darlington saying Miami looking to sign Matt Moore from Carolina.

Well looks like Orton will be the day 1 QB

bowtown
07-29-2011, 09:51 AM
You think even if Orton is the better QB, he needs to go to make room for Tebow?

That sounds like a scenario in which many fans are in for a rude awakening when the reality hits.

Yes, from a purely business and PR perspective, I do. I also happen think it's the best thing for this team and for Orton.

WolfpackGuy
07-29-2011, 09:52 AM
I can just hear the boos now in that first preseason home game against the Bills.

SonOfLe-loLang
07-29-2011, 09:54 AM
Two reasons from what you suggested that I think would be worth consideration:

If the team is going to lose anyways, don't ruin the public's infatuation with Tebow. It could spoil the city on him, make him question himself, or even worse - end up ruining his career along the lines of whatshisface in Houston who they could just tee off on for so many years.

The second is if he's not actually going to provide any hope, why not let him cater to fixing his mechanics and learning for another season? It seems the success rate is pretty high when these guys are able to sit and learn for a few seasons. If there's nothing lost in doing so, I'd rather watch Tebow succeed for a decade than watch him try to carry the team on his back for a couple years.

But it doesn't seem like failure will rattle tim. I dont understand the point of sitting him for another year. He seems like the kind of guy that will learn/thrive with a trial by fire.

Plus, as soon as you let him play three games last year, and he looked promising and played well, i dont see how you turn back.

Cito Pelon
07-29-2011, 09:55 AM
This Jeff Darlington from the Miami Herald is using "staredown" about what's going on between Denver and Miami. He's on the radio 102.3.

I'm wondering exactly how much Elway and Fox REALLY want to dump Orton. They may be pretty lukewarm about casting off Orton.

Cito Pelon
07-29-2011, 09:57 AM
I can just hear the boos now in that first preseason home game against the Bills.

I hope the boo's don't rain down on Orton, that's bush league.

Peoples Champ
07-29-2011, 10:04 AM
Wow, way to blunder that deal, Donks.

way to not Screw it up broncos, dont give orton away. Great move by Elway, love it.

TailgateNut
07-29-2011, 10:05 AM
I can just hear the boos now in that first preseason home game against the Bills.

That illustrates the difference between Broncofans and Tebownites. I wont boo Tebow if he starts, but the Teboners would boo Orton if he wins the starting job.

...and you wonder why Tebonites make me want to upchuck.

Rabb
07-29-2011, 10:05 AM
I hope the boo's don't rain down on Orton, that's bush league.

no kidding, support the damn team

epicSocialism4tw
07-29-2011, 10:08 AM
But it doesn't seem like failure will rattle tim. I dont understand the point of sitting him for another year. He seems like the kind of guy that will learn/thrive with a trial by fire.

Plus, as soon as you let him play three games last year, and he looked promising and played well, i dont see how you turn back.

That's pretty much where we're at.

The Broncos are not a good team right now heading into next season. The front 7 is still poor, especially against the run. There's virtually an open road right up the center of the field against this defense.

The offensive line is still a HUGE question mark.

There is nothing in the backfield that imposes any type of threat on an opposing defense.

There is no real TE on the roster.

There are questions at safety.

Basically, this team is in shambles.

Starting Orton accomplishes nothing of value. At least with Tebow, you have a guy out there who the fans can rally around and identify with. He'll play his butt off, even for a lost cause. Orton mailed it in several times last year and shows no grit or resolve. He offers nothing to the fans.

We wan't someone we can believe in. We know that that's not Orton, and Tebow has already given us more reasons to believe even though he has barely played.

TonyR
07-29-2011, 10:10 AM
I'm wondering exactly how much Elway and Fox REALLY want to dump Orton. They may be pretty lukewarm about casting off Orton.

I think they only want to move him for specific compensation. If they don't get it they keep him. And I think you can make a good argument that that's the best way to go about things. Unless, of course, Orton's $ is keeping you from getting other things done like signing a DT or RB or whatever.

TailgateNut
07-29-2011, 10:23 AM
That's pretty much where we're at.

The Broncos are not a good team right now heading into next season. The front 7 is still poor, especially against the run. There's virtually an open road right up the center of the field against this defense.

The offensive line is still a HUGE question mark.

There is nothing in the backfield that imposes any type of threat on an opposing defense.

There is no real TE on the roster.

There are questions at safety.

Basically, this team is in shambles.

Starting Orton accomplishes nothing of value. At least with Tebow, you have a guy out there who the fans can rally around and identify with. He'll play his butt off, even for a lost cause. Orton mailed it in several times last year and shows no grit or resolve. He offers nothing to the fans.

We wan't someone we can believe in. We know that that's not Orton, and Tebow has already given us more reasons to believe even though he has barely played.


I, for one don't look forward to spending thousands of $$$ to listen to a bunch of Tebownites swoon over the annointed one if the (un)annoited one, in the oppinion of the staff, gives us a better chance of winning.

Cito Pelon
07-29-2011, 10:25 AM
I think they only want to move him for specific compensation. If they don't get it they keep him. And I think you can make a good argument that that's the best way to go about things. Unless, of course, Orton's $ is keeping you from getting other things done like signing a DT or RB or whatever.

Agreed.

McGahee reportedly is signed as a Bronco, 3 yrs, 3 million this year.

That One Guy
07-29-2011, 10:28 AM
I, for one don't look forward to spending thousands of $$$ to listen to a bunch of Tebownites swoon over the annointed one if the (un)annoited one, in the oppinion of the staff, gives us a better chance of winning.

And the excuse making... ugh.

They'll have excuses ready.

epicSocialism4tw
07-29-2011, 10:30 AM
I, for one don't look forward to spending thousands of $$$ to listen to a bunch of Tebownites swoon over the annointed one if the (un)annoited one, in the oppinion of the staff, gives us a better chance of winning.

There is no proof that Orton gives the Broncos a better chance of winning.

srphoenix
07-29-2011, 10:30 AM
ClaytonESPN (http://twitter.com/#%21/ClaytonESPN) John Clayton



So much for the Kyle Orton trade. The Dolphins added QB Matt Moore on a two-year deal. It's Moore-Henne-Pat Devlin. No Orton

FWIW I think Orton gets cut before season starts, if money is at all an issue the Broncos know from last year that they will have some pretty quiet home games if Tebows not at the helm

RunSilentRunDeep
07-29-2011, 10:32 AM
ClaytonESPN (http://twitter.com/#%21/ClaytonESPN) John Clayton



So much for the Kyle Orton trade. The Dolphins added QB Matt Moore on a two-year deal. It's Moore-Henne-Pat Devlin. No Orton

FWIW I think Orton gets cut before season starts, if money is at all an issue the Broncos know from last year that they will have some pretty quiet home games if Tebows not at the helm

Is John Clayton really listing Matt Moore the No. 1 guy? That's crazy.

epicSocialism4tw
07-29-2011, 10:33 AM
Is John Clayton really listing Matt Moore the the No. 1 guy? That's crazy.

Isn't Devlin a UDFA guy?

Tombstone RJ
07-29-2011, 10:37 AM
ClaytonESPN (http://twitter.com/#%21/ClaytonESPN) John Clayton



So much for the Kyle Orton trade. The Dolphins added QB Matt Moore on a two-year deal. It's Moore-Henne-Pat Devlin. No Orton

FWIW I think Orton gets cut before season starts, if money is at all an issue the Broncos know from last year that they will have some pretty quiet home games if Tebows not at the helm

that's pretty pathetic for the Phins... anyone here think BMarsh is happy about the fail at the QB position for the Phins? I bet BMarsh is the first to let managment know they just screwed the pooch.

As for Orton... well John, what ya gonna do now?

Bob's your Information Minister
07-29-2011, 10:42 AM
How is Orton the bad guy in this?

He has a right to get paid if he wants to get paid. He shouldn't be obligated to take a pay cut so a team can trade him...especially after that team signed him to a decent-sized deal.

That One Guy
07-29-2011, 10:54 AM
Moore could be just the next step in the stare down.

You have to think the Dolphins wanted Orton more than they wanted Moore so they would've given the Broncos a heads up of what was next to come. If the Broncos were bluffing, they would've blinked and moved forward. They're just calling the bluff right back. I think this changes nothing unless the Broncos were sincere about keeping Orton.

ayjackson
07-29-2011, 10:57 AM
Could Henne be part of the return for Orton? (clutches at straws)

He`d likely be better than Quinn.

barryr
07-29-2011, 11:18 AM
Could Henne be part of the return for Orton? (clutches at straws)

He`d likely be better than Quinn.

It could be possible if the deal happens later on in camp.

crowebomber
07-29-2011, 11:21 AM
Moore could be just the next step in the stare down.

You have to think the Dolphins wanted Orton more than they wanted Moore so they would've given the Broncos a heads up of what was next to come. If the Broncos were bluffing, they would've blinked and moved forward. They're just calling the bluff right back. I think this changes nothing unless the Broncos were sincere about keeping Orton.

This.

Moore isn't going to challenge for the starting job. They picked him up off the scrap pile. He was on his way to selling cell phones or working at Subway.

alkemical
07-29-2011, 11:47 AM
And the excuse making... ugh.

They'll have excuses ready.

Blame God.

:D

DarkHorse
07-29-2011, 11:50 AM
Sun Sentinel is claiming/reporting that Dolphins owner Steve Ross has stated that the Kyle Orton trade is dead


Per NFLN

That One Guy
07-29-2011, 11:56 AM
Sun Sentinel is claiming/reporting that Dolphins owner Steve Ross has stated that the Kyle Orton trade is dead


Per NFLN

Then I think the Broncos truly are sincere about keeping him.

alkemical
07-29-2011, 12:01 PM
Like all bitches, you gotta treat 'em like **** now and then and show some pictures of the hot chick you're flirtin with.

Then...you got it made.

Dutch
07-29-2011, 12:07 PM
I'll bet this is a stunt on the part of the Phins. Glad we didn't blink. One thing that isn't getting talked about much at this point is that the Phins could come crawling back pretty quickly if Moore looks like crap in camp. Got a ways to go until the season starts. Plus somebody's QB could get hurt between now and the start of the season.

alkemical
07-29-2011, 12:09 PM
I want tuna safe dolphin meat. Mammals taste better.

bendog
07-29-2011, 12:13 PM
I want tuna safe dolphin meat. Mammals taste better.

I hate you for making me think of eating Parcells.

Steve Prefontaine
07-29-2011, 12:19 PM
How is Orton the bad guy in this?

He has a right to get paid if he wants to get paid. He shouldn't be obligated to take a pay cut so a team can trade him...especially after that team signed him to a decent-sized deal.

World is ending. Bob just made a post that wasn't trolling and actually makes sense.

It's a shame you can't do this more often.

maher_tyler
07-29-2011, 12:21 PM
I don't understand how holding onto Orton for another year will help the team in any way. We need to see what Tebow can do, and if we keep Kyle, then we'll just stunt his growth.

This team is rebuilding, and it is more important to evaluate our young talent than use a stop-gap to try and squeak out another 2-3 wins.

Yep! Like others have said, we know what Orton can/can't do.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
07-29-2011, 12:23 PM
World is ending. Bob just made a post that wasn't trolling and actually makes sense.

It's a shame you can't do this more often.

He must have eaten a sensible person.

Cito Pelon
07-29-2011, 12:25 PM
I'm a Tebow fan for his potential, but I can't get over the camp observers yesterday saying Orton looked "smooth", and Tebow "scattershot".

It's not so much about Orton looking smooth, but Tebow looking scattershot. That was very disappointing to me.

TonyR
07-29-2011, 12:26 PM
Sun Sentinel is claiming/reporting that Dolphins owner Steve Ross has stated that the Kyle Orton trade is dead


It's "dead" today. But not necessarily dead tomorrow. Or next week.

WolfpackGuy
07-29-2011, 12:27 PM
I'll take Matt Moore for him, straight up.

NFLBRONCO
07-29-2011, 12:28 PM
This is a good test for our inexperienced FO to handle this Orton mess.

epicSocialism4tw
07-29-2011, 12:32 PM
This is a good test for our inexperienced FO to handle this Orton mess.

They're already failing.

underrated29
07-29-2011, 12:32 PM
I'm a Tebow fan for his potential, but I can't get over the camp observers yesterday saying Orton looked "smooth", and Tebow "scattershot".

It's not so much about Orton looking smooth, but Tebow looking scattershot. That was very disappointing to me.




Honestly, what do you expect.

Tebow got no reps last year as has been stated
Tebow only started 3 games
tebow had 1 practice yesterday.


How is he not going to look like crap? Especially when he is being compared to a 6 year vet who has 2 full years of practice and playing time in the system?

Just wait until the TC practice at invesco, I bet Tebow closes that gap quickly.

ZONA
07-29-2011, 12:33 PM
The Dolphins GM is an idiot. Not only is he not going to get his QB that he wanted, but by signing road kill, he's more then likely pissed off several vets on his team that he's not even willing to give up middle round picks for a player who can help their team win now. If I was BM, I would ask for a trade. Not that I would expect to get one, but it's a way of letting that GM know he's not doing things the right way down there. Moore? For real?

Killericon
07-29-2011, 12:35 PM
They're already failing.

How the hell do you know that? You don't know what the Dolphins were offering. You don't know what some team that has their starting QB go down due to injury will pay for Orton in the 3rd week of training camp. Besides which, this thing still hasn't not happened. Maybe the Bengals will make an offer.

Cito Pelon
07-29-2011, 12:37 PM
I saw two plays on video - and this is not indicative of everything, of course - but both passes were to Eddie Royal on a short crossing pattern. Orton hit him in stride, Tebow awkwardly threw behind Royal. Royal had to do a 180 to catch Tebow's short crossing pass.

I don't know, guys, I think we better hang onto Orton. I was hoping Tebow would come into camp and look smooth, but that doesn't seem to be the case. But, we'll see what happens, Tebow will get his chances.

theAPAOps5
07-29-2011, 12:38 PM
They're already failing.

No they aren't

TonyR
07-29-2011, 12:38 PM
How the hell do you know that? You don't know what the Dolphins were offering. You don't know what some team that has their starting QB go down due to injury will pay for Orton in the 3rd week of training camp. Besides which, this thing still hasn't not happened. Maybe the Bengals will make an offer.

Mob mentality at work. The Broncos FO "screwed up" the Orton trade. Light your torch and grab your pitchfork.

theAPAOps5
07-29-2011, 12:39 PM
How the hell do you know that? You don't know what the Dolphins were offering. You don't know what some team that has their starting QB go down due to injury will pay for Orton in the 3rd week of training camp. Besides which, this thing still hasn't not happened. Maybe the Bengals will make an offer.

Dude it is Drama Llama, do not try to reason. Just spread drama!

TonyR
07-29-2011, 12:39 PM
The Dolphins GM is an idiot.

Well, not yet. The trade could still happen.

Cito Pelon
07-29-2011, 12:41 PM
Honestly, what do you expect.

Tebow got no reps last year as has been stated
Tebow only started 3 games
tebow had 1 practice yesterday.


How is he not going to look like crap? Especially when he is being compared to a 6 year vet who has 2 full years of practice and playing time in the system?

Just wait until the TC practice at invesco, I bet Tebow closes that gap quickly.

That's fine with me. I've invested a lot of posts saying how Tebow will be a winner in the NFL.

alkemical
07-29-2011, 12:47 PM
I hate you for making me think of eating Parcells.

Not even if he were blackened?

;)

epicSocialism4tw
07-29-2011, 12:50 PM
How the hell do you know that? You don't know what the Dolphins were offering. You don't know what some team that has their starting QB go down due to injury will pay for Orton in the 3rd week of training camp. Besides which, this thing still hasn't not happened. Maybe the Bengals will make an offer.

Ha!

What have they succeed at to this point?

underrated29
07-29-2011, 01:11 PM
He is right. The Front office has failed at this point. There is only 1 reason why and it has three names.


Nate sucksassballs Jones.


He is still on the roster, and that is why they have failed. The rest of the moves, non moves, trades and psuedo trades im cool with. But Nathan? Really? Maybe we are waiting until next thurs or something.



I can play CB just as good as nate. You know why? because I to will get burned and let the WR catch the ball and tear us apart.

Broncoman13
07-29-2011, 01:18 PM
I saw two plays on video - and this is not indicative of everything, of course - but both passes were to Eddie Royal on a short crossing pattern. Orton hit him in stride, Tebow awkwardly threw behind Royal. Royal had to do a 180 to catch Tebow's short crossing pass.

I don't know, guys, I think we better hang onto Orton. I was hoping Tebow would come into camp and look smooth, but that doesn't seem to be the case. But, we'll see what happens, Tebow will get his chances.

KO has a lot more experience throwing to Royal. Crossing routes are difficult timing throws. No problem with Tebow being a little off here... A couple of weeks in, then I will worry.

alkemical
07-29-2011, 01:39 PM
Tim Tebow = Jeff Garcia

bronclvr
07-29-2011, 01:44 PM
Jason La Canfora
Donít be fooled, Dolphins still want Orton By Jason La Canfora |
Published: July 29th, 2011 | Tags: Kyle Orton, Chad Henne, Denver Broncos, Matt Moore, Miami Dolphins
Matt Moore is reportedly signing with the Dolphins. The big question now: Where does that leave the rumored trade for Broncos QB Kyle Orton?

My answer: Donít read too much into the signing as it relates to Orton. The Dolphins still want Orton, and know he could beat out both Chad Henne and Moore to become the starter.

Moore started 13 games in three seasons in Carolina, going 7-6. But he was just 1-4 last season and didnít inspire confidence that he was ready to be a full-time starter in the NFL.

So, weíll see if the Broncos and Dolphins can work out a deal for Orton. Remember, the trading deadline isnít for several more months.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/07/29/dont-be-fooled-dolphins-still-want-orton/

Dutch
07-29-2011, 02:16 PM
Jason La Canfora
Donít be fooled, Dolphins still want Orton By Jason La Canfora |
Published: July 29th, 2011 | Tags: Kyle Orton, Chad Henne, Denver Broncos, Matt Moore, Miami Dolphins
Matt Moore is reportedly signing with the Dolphins. The big question now: Where does that leave the rumored trade for Broncos QB Kyle Orton?

My answer: Donít read too much into the signing as it relates to Orton. The Dolphins still want Orton, and know he could beat out both Chad Henne and Moore to become the starter.
Moore started 13 games in three seasons in Carolina, going 7-6. But he was just 1-4 last season and didnít inspire confidence that he was ready to be a full-time starter in the NFL.

So, weíll see if the Broncos and Dolphins can work out a deal for Orton. Remember, the trading deadline isnít for several more months.
http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/07/29/dont-be-fooled-dolphins-still-want-orton/

Pretty much the way I'm seeing it. Wouldn't it be hilarious if one of the teams considered a playoff contender loses their starter and Miami finds themselves in a bidding war for Kyle's services. Could happen.Hilarious!

mkporter
07-29-2011, 03:10 PM
We apparently just paid Orton his $1.5M roster bonus. Everything else equal, this would make it easier for us to trade him (although it may indicate we don't intend to).
@adbrandt Andrew Brandt
Breaking: Kyle Orton's $1.5 million roster bonus activated at 4p et. Broncos unlikely to trade after making that commitment.
17 minutes ago via web

https://twitter.com/#!/adbrandt/statuses/97046818965303296

mkporter
07-29-2011, 03:20 PM
Also this tidbit from Klis:

MikeKlis Mike Klis
So you know: The Orton deal with Miami broke down with Orton's contract not draft pick compensation.
4 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/#!/MikeKlis/status/97052546631335936

Tim
07-29-2011, 03:22 PM
Its safe to say he will be a bronco after paying the roster bonus

ghwk
07-29-2011, 03:23 PM
Its safe to say he will be a bronco after paying the roster bonus

1.5 million has been paid according to NFLN. They must not like what they see from Tebow.

BroncoInferno
07-29-2011, 03:24 PM
Also this tidbit from Klis:

MikeKlis Mike Klis
So you know: The Orton deal with Miami broke down with Orton's contract not draft pick compensation.
4 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/#!/MikeKlis/status/97052546631335936

If true, you can't really blame Orton for not wanting to commit long-term to a team with a lame duck coach. If he plays out his contract, he'll be free to pick out the best situation for him.

ghwk
07-29-2011, 03:27 PM
If true, you can't really blame Orton for not wanting to commit long-term to a team with a lame duck coach. If he plays out his contract, he'll be free to pick out the best situation for him.

Effen' A, Superbowl baby! ROFL!

TDmvp
07-29-2011, 03:28 PM
This team is Fing retarded . After seeing what Tebow did the last 3 game of the season I want to know if with more around him can he win...

I don't care about 7 on 7s and who looks more accurate I care about WINS ...

and Kyle Orton doesn't win if you put it on him. If Kyle plays that Houston game and comes out at halftime down 17 -0 we lose big .... Kyle would press throw a bunch of picks and most likely lose like 31 -10 ...

Gort
07-29-2011, 03:29 PM
I saw two plays on video - and this is not indicative of everything, of course - but both passes were to Eddie Royal on a short crossing pattern. Orton hit him in stride, Tebow awkwardly threw behind Royal. Royal had to do a 180 to catch Tebow's short crossing pass.

I don't know, guys, I think we better hang onto Orton. I was hoping Tebow would come into camp and look smooth, but that doesn't seem to be the case. But, we'll see what happens, Tebow will get his chances.

does the new CBA shorten training camp to a single day's practice?

does the season start tomorrow??

i'm confused. should we cut Tebow because he didn't "look smooth" on the first day of practice after the lockout?

???

Broncoman13
07-29-2011, 03:30 PM
This eliminates the Broncos from signing any stud DT for all of u that are happy with not trading Orton.

bombay
07-29-2011, 03:32 PM
Orton behind a better line and with an adequate defense would be interesting to see. Handing the job to Tebow is a bad idea. He needs to win it.

Gutless Drunk
07-29-2011, 03:35 PM
28941

For what it's worth, these guys reported that we had agreed on a 2nd round pick but Orton wanted more money than Kolb.
Which wouldn't surprise me as one person who doesn't underrate Orton is Orton.

Gort
07-29-2011, 03:37 PM
28941

For what it's worth, these guys reported that we had agreed on a 2nd round pick but Orton wanted more money than Kolb.
Which wouldn't surprise me as one person who doesn't underrate Orton is Orton.

i'm really starting to dislike Orton.

bendog
07-29-2011, 03:37 PM
This team is Fing retarded . After seeing what Tebow did the last 3 game of the season I want to know if with more around him can he win...

I don't care about 7 on 7s and who looks more accurate I care about WINS ...

and Kyle Orton doesn't win if you put it on him. If Kyle plays that Houston game and comes out at halftime down 17 -0 we lose big .... Kyle would press throw a bunch of picks and most likely lose like 31 -10 ...

They gave Tebow a smaller package of plays than a normal preparation. He can improvise. He's got a good arm. But to win in the NFL consistently, the qb has to execute an entire playbook. It appears they were willing to bet that he could do it and get an extra 3 for 12. Maybe they were holding out for more than Mia's 5, but for all we know the hangup may have been Orton not willing to restructure and give up 3 million this year or Mia not willing to commit to the number of years Orton wanted.

But if Tebow isn't making the reads and putting the ball in the recievers hands on time by the time the season opens, we're better off with Orton than a decent DT that some other team didn't want to commit the money to keep.

Bizzle
07-29-2011, 03:42 PM
Interesting that Orton just received a $1.5M roster bonus at 4pm EST today...

Could it be that Miami knew this and they don't want to extend Orton past this year? Now they would only be on the hook for less than $7M for a one year tryout.

I predict the trade gets done tonight for a 3rd and a player.

Drek
07-29-2011, 03:42 PM
For what it's worth, these guys reported that we had agreed on a 2nd round pick but Orton wanted more money than Kolb.
Which wouldn't surprise me as one person who doesn't underrate Orton is Orton.

Hence why if this FO had a clue they would have explained to Orton that he either A. works out a deal with Miami, period, no questions asked, or he'll B. spend the next year watching someone else take snaps behind center.

Or hell, tell Miami you'll take less than a second and they can sort out Orton's deal on their time.

mkporter
07-29-2011, 03:45 PM
Its safe to say he will be a bronco after paying the roster bonus

I'm of two minds on this. Maybe now Miami might take him without having to renegotiate his contract. It does make it much less likely that we are going to cut him outright, because if we were going to do that it would be really dumb to pay him the bonus.

mkporter
07-29-2011, 03:47 PM
Hence why if this FO had a clue they would have explained to Orton that he either A. works out a deal with Miami, period, no questions asked, or he'll B. spend the next year watching someone else take snaps behind center.

Maybe he's willing to take $8M+ to hold a clipboard. I would be.


Or hell, tell Miami you'll take less than a second and they can sort out Orton's deal on their time.
This becomes more likely now, IMO.

NFLBRONCO
07-29-2011, 04:00 PM
I don't like Orton but, the money Kolb got was retarded. I think Orton deserves that money if Kolb got it. Just because Kolb is more hyped doesn't mean he's better.

Broncoman13
07-29-2011, 04:01 PM
Maybe he's willing to take $8M+ to hold a clipboard. I would be.


This becomes more likely now, IMO.

So we pay him 1.6mm for nothing and then take less for him? Did u really think that thru?

mkporter
07-29-2011, 04:05 PM
So we pay him 1.6mm for nothing and then take less for him? Did u really think that thru?

Yep, I did. Maybe Miami wasn't willing to take him without restructuring when his contract was $8M+, but if his contract is $7M, then it is worth it to them. We would be throwing in $1.5M to sweeten the deal, essentially. Make sense now?

SonOfLe-loLang
07-29-2011, 04:06 PM
Orton behind a better line and with an adequate defense would be interesting to see. Handing the job to Tebow is a bad idea. He needs to win it.

What does this even mean? He played well in his last three games. Nothing is going to really be learned over the course of TC/preseason

bombay
07-29-2011, 04:09 PM
That's funny.

ol#7
07-29-2011, 04:11 PM
That's funny.

The only thing thats funny is posters like you who seem to think we havent already seen Ortons ceiling.

NUB
07-29-2011, 04:15 PM
This trade has to get through. I have a hard time believing Denver will just eat the cap space he's taking up and Miami will go into the season with Henne and Moore.

epicSocialism4tw
07-29-2011, 04:22 PM
1.5 million has been paid according to NFLN. They must not like what they see from Tebow.

That's probably not even close to an explanation.

razorwire77
07-29-2011, 04:27 PM
Orton is not a stupid man. I'm sure he's well aware of a seven figure roster bonus and wasn't about to rush into signing a restructured contract with Miami and forfeit that money. This entire situation is just a cluster ****.

Agamemnon
07-29-2011, 04:48 PM
I can't believe we gave him that roster bonus. I swear to god I'm starting to have serious misgivings about this FO.

Lestat
07-29-2011, 04:59 PM
the cap charge is irrelevant when trying to get proper compensation.
if Mia won't pony up then keep him and let them go eff themselves.
to come out of this with less than a 2nd round pick would be foolish.

the very people swearing the front office is fools for not trading him are the same ones that will swear they were dumbasses for not getting more later on.
I can't believe we gave him that roster bonus. I swear to god I'm starting to have serious misgivings about this FO.

baja
07-29-2011, 05:00 PM
That illustrates the difference between Broncofans and Tebownites. I wont boo Tebow if he starts, but the Teboners would boo Orton if he wins the starting job.

...and you wonder why Tebonites make me want to upchuck.

..and they seen to not know much about the game of football, more like hero worship.

baja
07-29-2011, 05:02 PM
I think they only want to move him for specific compensation. If they don't get it they keep him. And I think you can make a good argument that that's the best way to go about things. Unless, of course, Orton's $ is keeping you from getting other things done like signing a DT or RB or whatever.

If he were under contract for more than just this year I would agree with you,he'll walk after this year so there is that.

Agamemnon
07-29-2011, 05:03 PM
the cap charge is irrelevant when trying to get proper compensation.
if Mia won't pony up then keep him and let them go eff themselves.
to come out of this with less than a 2nd round pick would be foolish.

the very people swearing the front office is fools for not trading him are the same ones that will swear they were dumbasses for not getting more later on.

His cap number isn't irrelevant. That's money we should be putting toward a DT.

epicSocialism4tw
07-29-2011, 05:04 PM
..and they seen to not know much about the game of football, more like hero worship.

They probably like players who can play.

Bronx33
07-29-2011, 05:06 PM
I will not miss the pocket sloth.

Broncoman13
07-29-2011, 05:10 PM
..and they seen to not know much about the game of football, more like hero worship.

Has nothing to do with Tebow. Has to do with the fact that he a. Blocked us from getting a 2nd round pick, and b. Will prevent us from having the cap room to sign a DT worth anything.

This is all about blaming him for making it more difficult on the Broncos by blocking the trade b/c he wants 5 years and $60+mm! What a douche.

Broncoman13
07-29-2011, 05:16 PM
Yep, I did. Maybe Miami wasn't willing to take him without restructuring when his contract was $8M+, but if his contract is $7M, then it is worth it to them. We would be throwing in $1.5M to sweeten the deal, essentially. Make sense now?

Okay, try to follow. The Broncos settled on pick compensation with the Dolphins. The teams both agreed to a 2nd round pick. The Dolphins then attempted to negotiate a long term contract with Orton before pulling the trigger on the trade. They decided against the trade when KO wouldn't take the offer wanting a similar deal to that of Kolb.

No team is going to trade a 2nd for a QB with only one year remaining on his deal unless you are Mike Shanahan and even then he ended up getting a long term extension.

epicSocialism4tw
07-29-2011, 05:19 PM
I will not miss the pocket sloth.

Ha!

Holy cow that's funny.

Hey TDMVP....there's a photoshop job for you.