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DBroncos4life
07-29-2011, 03:59 AM
All the rumors, all the Tebow talk and hype and yet here is Orton first day of camp taking first string reps. Listen to him talk, and he knows he is the starting QB in Denver. I don't care if you don't like him or not. He has huge brass balls and I will always love him for that.

MacGruder
07-29-2011, 04:06 AM
Brass balls? More like sheer delusion. He reminds me of a Will Ferrell character.. blissfully ignorant and arrogant.

Kyle Orton: "I like my chances"

Of what? fetal-ing through another season?


This brings up an interesting point though. Why is it Tebow is analyzed so much for his supposed weaknesses yet Kyle isn't? Has Kyle been working in the gym to become a better athlete? has he been working on his play making ability? His mental toughness? His leadership abilities?

Kyle has non-contact scrimmages down to an art form.. it's the actual games where he is miserable. How does he plan on fixing that?

TDmvp
07-29-2011, 04:09 AM
All the rumors, all the Tebow talk and hype and yet here is Orton first day of camp taking first string reps. Listen to him talk, and he knows he is the starting QB in Denver. I don't care if you don't like him or not. He has huge brass balls and I will always love him for that.


Hmmmm .... I always assumed he scrambled like he does cause he was half in the bag drunk. Maybe it's the huge balls making running awkward for him and hence all the stumbling and falling ... :O)


I like Orton the guy and think he's all heart and he is a ok Qb but I can't take another year of him under pressure and on 3rd downs late in games.

Him coming back in to that one game so we didn't have to see Simms (nice one Buff) take anymore snaps was gutsy and I thank him for not making us sit through that.


But I hope we trade him because watching him another year would be the suck...

DBroncos4life
07-29-2011, 04:12 AM
Brass balls? More like sheer delusion. He reminds me of a Will Ferrell character.. blissfully ignorant and arrogant.

Kyle Orton: "I like my chances"

Of what? fetal-ing through another season?


This brings up an interesting point though. Why is it Tebow is analyzed so much for his supposed weaknesses yet Kyle isn't? Has Kyle been working in the gym to become a better athlete? has he been working on his play making ability? His mental toughness? His leadership abilities?

Kyle has non-contact scrimmages down to an art form.. it's the actual games where he is miserable. How does he plan on fixing that?

It must suck knowing Tim worked out with the team all off season only to have Kyle Orton come from where ever the hell he was and out preform him. I can't wait for Orton to go Drew Brees on our asses.

Orton has moxie.

MacGruder
07-29-2011, 04:18 AM
It must suck knowing Tim worked out with the team all off season only to have Kyle Orton come from where ever the hell he was and out preform him. I can't wait for Orton to go Drew Brees on our asses.

Orton has moxie.

It doesn't suck at all for me.. It really doesn't matter what happens right now in training camp. Orton isn't going to make it long in the regular season.

If he plays as meekly as he did last season he is going to lose bad causing fans to riot bringing Tebow in..

If he tries to play more like he should - like a man - and tries to stand in the pocket and make throws or be mobile and avoid the pressure.. rather than going to the fetal position.. he is going to get killed and Tebow is going to be playing anyway.

I think this will actually help Tebow this season. Seeing how bad Orton is in games is really going to make Tebow look better when he is in games. People will see what fool's gold Orton was and what a hidden gem Tebow is. Just like last season.

DBroncos4life
07-29-2011, 04:18 AM
Hmmmm .... I always assumed he scrambled like he does cause he was half in the bag drunk. Maybe it's the huge balls making running awkward for him and hence all the stumbling and falling ... :O)


I like Orton the guy and think he's all heart and he is a ok Qb but I can't take another year of him under pressure and on 3rd downs late in games.

Him coming back in to that one game so we didn't have to see Simms (nice one Buff) take anymore snaps was gutsy and I thank him for not making us sit through that.


But I hope we trade him because watching him another year would be the suck...

Watching us not pay a DT worth a **** will suck, but we know its going to happen.

Orton won't be traded because the FO doesn't know what is doing and they can pin everything on both Orton and Tebow. They know that the media will focus on us not trading Orton. Perfect headlines. All the while our D will still be the worst in the NFL and no one outside of Denver fans will even pay attention.

Lolad
07-29-2011, 04:21 AM
It must suck knowing Tim worked out with the team all off season only to have Kyle Orton come from where ever the hell he was and out preform him. I can't wait for Orton to go Drew Brees on our asses.

Orton has moxie.

If he has a come to Jesus moment and finally has some balls when under pressure or when somebody breathes on his shirt while he's in the pocket and throws the ball with accuracy and doesn't fall down. Then I'll root for him.

But right now there is only 1 QB on our roster who has seen Jesus

MacGruder
07-29-2011, 04:22 AM
If he has a come to Jesus moment and finally has some balls when under pressure or when somebody breathes on his shirt while he's in the pocket and throws the ball with accuracy and doesn't fall down. Then I'll root for him.

But right now there is only 1 QB on our roster who has seen Jesus

I see what you did there! Nice.. lol

KevinJames
07-29-2011, 04:24 AM
Orton has the Broncos Organization by the balls we can't sign a big time FA DT like Mebane because Orton is under contract and Miami knows it thats why they won't up their offer.

he dictates where he goes due to his contract, hes basically daring the Broncos to cut him because he knows he can easily sign a 9-10 mil deal, but if we cut him we look stupid and we just cut a pretty good QB while having 2 unproven first round boom or bust players at the QB position......

unless we can get a third or better we come out looking bad in this whole deal.

Jay3
07-29-2011, 04:33 AM
I'm surprised at all the talk from one session with some 7 on 7 yesterday. There's a lot more camp and there are 4 preseason games.

You'd think Orton was Tom Brady based on what I'm hearing.

DBroncos4life
07-29-2011, 04:39 AM
The team isn't moving Orton for a third round pick period. The FO knows as long as Orton and Tebow are on the same team the media will talk. The locker room will be split and we will lose games (not because of the QBs either). It's all going to be a **** storm to get Luck. It's not that hard to see that they don't want to trade Orton or tie themselves to Tebow.

MacGruder
07-29-2011, 04:39 AM
Orton might be better than Brady in this kind of scenario. I bet there are a LOT of guys outside the NFL who are great in these scenarios where durability, toughness, clutchness and athleticism aren't an issue.

Orton is very smart in one way. His very conservative style appeals to NFL fans because they are so conservative.. but it truly is fool's gold. No balls no babies. While Kyle keeps his starter job he ensures he will never win anything. He will make a lot of money over his career though. And he will have a sea of ex-fan haters all over the country, too. haha

Baba Booey
07-29-2011, 04:46 AM
Fully prepared for another year of Orton with a miserable defense.

Expect the worst and you'll never be disappointed.

DBroncos4life
07-29-2011, 04:52 AM
Fully prepared for another year of Orton with a miserable defense.

Expect the worst and you'll never be disappointed.

When Starks was part of a trade for Orton and we didn't make it happen you should know that the team doesn't want to trade him or improve the D. They are playing for the worst team in the NFL. Hell just wait till you see what we make the 98% with.

DBroncos4life
07-29-2011, 04:53 AM
I really hope Orton ****s the FO and wins.

Jay3
07-29-2011, 05:00 AM
When Starks was part of a trade for Orton and we didn't make it happen you should know that the team doesn't want to trade him or improve the D. They are playing for the worst team in the NFL. Hell just wait till you see what we make the 98% with.

Starks was never a part of the Orton trade, I'm convinced.

Hardly any team came after Orton, and the one that did hasn't offered bupkiss.

I wish Miami would have seen the 7 on 7 drills yesterday. Maybe they would double their offer.

MacGruder
07-29-2011, 05:11 AM
I wish Miami would have seen the 7 on 7 drills yesterday. Maybe they would double their offer.

The Broncos brain trust should be sending tapes of Orton in practice to Miami anonymously...

That might seal the deal. haha

ColoradoDarin
07-29-2011, 05:16 AM
Maybe we can get the NFL to implement 7-on-7 games, and the QBs can wear redshirts and not get hit at all? If that happens, Kyle Orton is the best chance to make the playoffs.

Otherwise, he's just another looks good in practice but craps the bed in games QB.

Jay3
07-29-2011, 05:27 AM
Maybe we can get the NFL to implement 7-on-7 games, and the QBs can wear redshirts and not get hit at all? If that happens, Kyle Orton is the best chance to make the playoffs.

Otherwise, he's just another looks good in practice but craps the bed in games QB.

Also, no bootlegs.

Drek
07-29-2011, 05:38 AM
Orton has the Broncos Organization by the balls we can't sign a big time FA DT like Mebane because Orton is under contract and Miami knows it thats why they won't up their offer.

he dictates where he goes due to his contract, hes basically daring the Broncos to cut him because he knows he can easily sign a 9-10 mil deal, but if we cut him we look stupid and we just cut a pretty good QB while having 2 unproven first round boom or bust players at the QB position......

unless we can get a third or better we come out looking bad in this whole deal.

Who the **** is going to give Orton 9-10M a year? Miami sure as **** doesn't, that is straight from their local newspapers. They don't want to give him $6M which is why he's holding **** up.

So where else? Cincy? They got a 2nd round QB they seem intent on playing and are busy running Carson Palmer out of the league. The Seattle, AZ, San Fran, Tennessee and Minnesota spots have all been taken in this game of QB musical chairs. There is no where else for Orton to sit but Miami or Denver, the later goes away when you tell his goober ass that he's getting cut at the last possible cap pair down moment (i.e. when absolutely no team will have time to get him up to speed on their offense this year) unless he gets his **** squared with Miami post-haste.

Denver holds the cards here thanks to the shortened pre-season. We can hang onto Orton long enough with some creative accounting to leave him completely screwed out of playing meaningful football this year. The FO should have already explained this to him, but apparently they're too ****ing milktoast to have done so.

McDaniels couldn't organize a peaceful and cooperative effort between Buddhist monks but at least the ****er knew when to put a boot up a players ass and got good value in his trades.

Broncoman13
07-29-2011, 05:44 AM
It must suck knowing Tim worked out with the team all off season only to have Kyle Orton come from where ever the hell he was and out preform him. I can't wait for Orton to go Drew Brees on our asses.
Orton has moxie.

Outperform him? In shorts and T Shirts?

You do realize that you could of had John Elway out there in his prime and just sitting back in shorts Dan Marino would have made Elway look like just another strong armed amateur right? No pass rush to make either of them have to react. No hitting. No using your athletic ability.

Kyle Orton better do better in a spin the ball contest. It's not Tebow's strongest part of his game. If Kyle Orton could couple his ability to throw with just a little bit of athletic ability when things broke down, we wouldn't even be considering a trade or starting Tebow. But as it stands, when things break down, KO falls into a fetal... Tebow on the other hand can keep a play alive. Whether or not that is enough is the question we are waiting to have answered.

Kyle Orton... 35% of his total production has come in the 4th Quarter while down two scores or more. Junk time, prevent defenses, doesn't affect the outcome of a game. Call me when KO does something clutch.

MacGruder
07-29-2011, 05:46 AM
Maybe we can get the NFL to implement 7-on-7 games, and the QBs can wear redshirts and not get hit at all? If that happens, Kyle Orton is the best chance to make the playoffs.

Otherwise, he's just another looks good in practice but craps the bed in games QB.

Imagine if the refs actually let the defenses get physical with QBs these days? It would make Tebow even more valuable and guys like Orton even less valuable. QBs are getting destroyed even with refs trying to protect them.

I also think this is why Orton and guys like him get less effective as the season progresses.. because defenses get tougher and refs allow more. Especially as the games get more important - such as in the playoffs.

Broncoman13
07-29-2011, 05:47 AM
Who the **** is going to give Orton 9-10M a year? Miami sure as **** doesn't, that is straight from their local newspapers. They don't want to give him $6M which is why he's holding **** up.

So where else? Cincy? They got a 2nd round QB they seem intent on playing and are busy running Carson Palmer out of the league. The Seattle, AZ, San Fran, Tennessee and Minnesota spots have all been taken in this game of QB musical chairs. There is no where else for Orton to sit but Miami or Denver, the later goes away when you tell his goober ass that he's getting cut at the last possible cap pair down moment (i.e. when absolutely no team will have time to get him up to speed on their offense this year) unless he gets his **** squared with Miami post-haste.

Denver holds the cards here thanks to the shortened pre-season. We can hang onto Orton long enough with some creative accounting to leave him completely screwed out of playing meaningful football this year. The FO should have already explained this to him, but apparently they're too ****ing milktoast to have done so.

McDaniels couldn't organize a peaceful and cooperative effort between Buddhist monks but at least the ****er knew when to put a boot up a players ass and got good value in his trades.

All correct with one thing you forgot, KO gets a pretty hefty roster bonus on the 5th day of the league year. Something will happen soon with KO.

Lolad
07-29-2011, 05:48 AM
McDaniels couldn't organize a peaceful and cooperative effort between Buddhist monks but at least the ****er knew when to put a boot up a players ass and got good value in his trades.

You lost me right here. The only trades where we can say He got the best value for was Cutler and Marshall. After that he gave a pick away and a player for Quinn, got raped by bellicheck for Maroney, gave up a 1st for a player that he cut the next year for a 3rd string TE. Gave a pick away to move up and pick a bad TE. List goes on.... But you get the picture

MacGruder
07-29-2011, 05:51 AM
You lost me right here. The only trades where we can say He got the best value for was Cutler and Marshall. After that he gave a pick away and a player for Quinn, got raped by bellicheck for Maroney, gave up a 1st for a player that he cut the next year for a 3rd string TE. Gave a pick away to move up and pick a bad TE. List goes on.... But you get the picture

Maybe Mcd looked so bad because like so many before he bought into fool's gold Orton and never realized he was really the problem. Until it was too late of course..

Rock Chalk
07-29-2011, 06:07 AM
Outperform him? In shorts and T Shirts?

You do realize that you could of had John Elway out there in his prime and just sitting back in shorts Dan Marino would have made Elway look like just another strong armed amateur right? No pass rush to make either of them have to react. No hitting. No using your athletic ability.

Kyle Orton better do better in a spin the ball contest. It's not Tebow's strongest part of his game. If Kyle Orton could couple his ability to throw with just a little bit of athletic ability when things broke down, we wouldn't even be considering a trade or starting Tebow. But as it stands, when things break down, KO falls into a fetal... Tebow on the other hand can keep a play alive. Whether or not that is enough is the question we are waiting to have answered.

Kyle Orton... 35% of his total production has come in the 4th Quarter while down two scores or more. Junk time, prevent defenses, doesn't affect the outcome of a game. Call me when KO does something clutch.

I think you douches are way too hard on Orton. That ****ty ass team we fielded last year, no one came to play, and no one stepped up in the 4th quarter. There were times when Orton looked like the only one out there that gave a ****.

That being said, he isn't out future. Start Teblow now, so he can show all you ****ing dip**** morons that he relly is teh suck and we can tank this season to get Luck.

WolfpackGuy
07-29-2011, 06:10 AM
Sell your Orton jerseys while you can still get some loose change for them.

bpc
07-29-2011, 06:11 AM
I don't mind Orton the person. In some ways, I kinda respect the way he keeps pulling himself up by his bootstraps.

As a player though, his limitations doom Denver in the long term and he will not be taking us anywhere near the playoffs. He could be a *Trent Dilfer* type for some teams, but won't be happening for a team that picked 2nd overall last year.

Denver needs to move Orton, start Tebow and find out what it has in him. If it's positive, and we win, great, we have something at QB and can fill other holes on our roster. If Tebow can't run a nfl attack for 60 minutes throwing the ball consistently, we get our ass kicked 16 weeks out of the season, well then it's time to draft Andrew Luck and move on at the position.

Play2win
07-29-2011, 06:24 AM
I like Orton, but he can't stay healthy-- and when hes not absolutely 100% he can really suck balls.

Start Tebow now, and one of two things will happen-- He'll rise to the occasion and really be our future... or we suck so bad because the Tim Tebow experiment failed so bad that we get a real franchise qb (LUCK).

MacGruder
07-29-2011, 06:24 AM
I think you douches are way too hard on Orton. That ****ty ass team we fielded last year, no one came to play, and no one stepped up in the 4th quarter. There were times when Orton looked like the only one out there that gave a ****.

That being said, he isn't out future. Start Teblow now, so he can show all you ****ing dip**** morons that he relly is teh suck and we can tank this season to get Luck.

This is the funny part though.. if Tebow was really as bad as people pretend he is then wouldn't Kyke want Tebow to start to show he isn't capable as a QB?

The fat Orotn is so afraid of seeing that happen should tell you all you need to know.

MacGruder
07-29-2011, 06:26 AM
I like Orton, but he can't stay healthy-- and when hes not absolutely 100% he can really suck balls.

Start Tebow now, and one of two things will happen-- He'll rise to the occasion and really be our future... or we suck so bad because the Tim Tebow experiment failed so bad that we get a real franchise qb (LUCK).

Luck is the next Ryan Leaf. He had to run as much as Tebow even against soft PAC10 defenses. He will never make it in the NFL.

bpc
07-29-2011, 06:28 AM
Ha ha. That's a awesome assessment, only because it's so wrong.

Play2win
07-29-2011, 06:34 AM
Its funny how there always seems to be a "Casino Royal" on this board... Hilarious!

MacGruder
07-29-2011, 06:35 AM
Ha ha. That's a awesome assessment, only because it's so wrong.

That's what people said about Jake Locker before he was completely exposed before getting out of college for the same reason.

BroncsRule
07-29-2011, 08:03 AM
Start Tebow now, and one of two things will happen-- He'll rise to the occasion and really be our future... or we suck so bad because the Tim Tebow experiment failed so bad that we get a real franchise qb (LUCK).

I keep reading opinions like this one - which discounts the third, most likely scenario: Tebow plays hard, and wins 4 or 5 games.

At the end of the year, the Broncos (both front office and fans) will not be sold on Tebow as "The Future" due to huge flaws in his passing game, yet will be positioned well out of the Luck sweepstakes.

Tebow is highly unlikely to be able to put the Broncos on his shoulders and carry them to 9-7 respectability (or better) this year -

He is also highly ulikely to loose the 13 or 14 games necessary to put us in the Luck sweepstakes.

All I'm saying is, get over the Luck thing. It's not going to happen.

cmhargrove
07-29-2011, 08:25 AM
I like KO the person, and I really want what's best for him. It's just that he is on a bad team in a bad situation, and there's no place for him here anymore.

Put him on the Ravens where defense comes first and he would be a playoff QB. He did well enough on a Bears team with a crappy O and a good D.

He's had his chance, he has proven his worth, he deserves respect, and a chance to start somewhere else. Denver is doing the right thing by pursuing a Championship instead of a playoff berth. KO just doesn't seem like he will be the guy to lead a team to the Superbowl.

I wish him the best, he is a good guy with a lot of heart. But, this Tebow story needs to be played out one way or another.

rock
07-29-2011, 08:41 AM
He's so boss that two teams don't want to give up anything for him...

bowtown
07-29-2011, 08:48 AM
He reminds me of Tom Brady.

TheReverend
07-29-2011, 08:50 AM
He's so boss that two teams don't want to give up anything for him...

32 teams *

Cito Pelon
07-29-2011, 10:12 AM
All the rumors, all the Tebow talk and hype and yet here is Orton first day of camp taking first string reps. Listen to him talk, and he knows he is the starting QB in Denver. I don't care if you don't like him or not. He has huge brass balls and I will always love him for that.

True. Orton is not f'ing around. He's gonna compete, and isn't scared of the competition. Pretty impressive, we'll see how it pans out.

rock
07-29-2011, 10:31 AM
True. Orton is not f'ing around. He's gonna compete, and isn't scared of the competition. Pretty impressive, we'll see how it pans out.

He wasn't afraid last year either. That turned out well...

Quoydogs
07-29-2011, 10:37 AM
Starks was never a part of the Orton trade, I'm convinced.

Hardly any team came after Orton, and the one that did hasn't offered bupkiss.

I wish Miami would have seen the 7 on 7 drills yesterday. Maybe they would double their offer.

3-10 and benched. say's it all. Orton looks great on paper but it's all fluff.

These guys get paid millions I'm sure they know that.

DBroncos4life
07-29-2011, 10:45 AM
He's so boss that two teams don't want to give up anything for him...

Our DT's must be boss because our team doesn't want to sign anyone!

misturanderson
07-29-2011, 10:49 AM
That's what people said about Jake Locker before he was completely exposed before getting out of college for the same reason.

Other than the facts that Luck's last season was better than anything Jake Locker has ever dreamed of and that he was a Heisman trophy finalist, you're right.

So if you don't consider that Luck is a vastly superior player and light years ahead of Locker as a QB, then your assessment is correct.

Luck was considered a unanimous, only-possible-choice #1 overall pick as a redshirt sophomore in a good QB class. Locker's name was being thrown around as a top-5 prospect in a class that had no QB except Sam Bradford (who at the time still hadn't proven that he could even throw after his surgery) even worthy of a top 15 pick. BIG difference, but I would expect you to be confused.

DrFate
07-29-2011, 10:50 AM
I really hope Orton ****s the FO and wins.

Way to be a Broncos fan

DBroncos4life
07-29-2011, 10:54 AM
Other than the facts that Luck's last 2 seasons were better than anything Jake Locker has ever dreamed of and that he was a Heisman trophy finalist, you're right.

So if you don't consider the fact that Luck is a vastly superior player and light years ahead of Locker as a QB, then your assessment is correct.

Luck was considered a unanimous, only-possible-choice #1 overall pick as a redshirt sophomore in a good QB class. Locker's name was being thrown around as a top-5 prospect in a class that had no QB except Sam Bradford (who at the time still hadn't proven that he could even throw after his surgery) even worthy of a top 15 pick. BIG difference, but I would expect you to be confused.
The dude doesn't even know that Purdue and Illinois are in the same conference. I would take advice from bob on how to score chicks (without paying for them) before asking this guy about a college football player.

DBroncos4life
07-29-2011, 10:57 AM
Way to be a Broncos fan

Because I said I hope Orton ****s over the FO and wins? You do know the Denver Broncos are winning games in what I just suggested right?
This goes back to I'm a fan of the team not coaches, players, or a very poorly put together FO.

MacGruder
07-29-2011, 10:57 AM
Other than the facts that Luck's last season was better than anything Jake Locker has ever dreamed of and that he was a Heisman trophy finalist, you're right.

So if you don't consider that Luck is a vastly superior player and light years ahead of Locker as a QB, then your assessment is correct.

Luck was considered a unanimous, only-possible-choice #1 overall pick as a redshirt sophomore in a good QB class. Locker's name was being thrown around as a top-5 prospect in a class that had no QB except Sam Bradford (who at the time still hadn't proven that he could even throw after his surgery) even worthy of a top 15 pick. BIG difference, but I would expect you to be confused.

Locker was considered a definitive number one pick before he went back to college for his senior year. He was raved about all through his college career just like Luck.

Luck was below Locker in this article.. LOL

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/huskies/2011551153_uwfb08.html

MacGruder
07-29-2011, 10:58 AM
The dude doesn't even know that Purdue and Illinois are in the same conference. I would take advice from bob on how to score chicks (without paying for them) before asking this guy about a college football player.

Funny how talkative you are now.. You went quiet in our last discussion...

DBroncos4life
07-29-2011, 11:03 AM
Funny how talkative you are now.. You went quiet in our last discussion...

What in that thread where you said there are 20,000 college QBs that would look better then Tebow right now?

MacGruder
07-29-2011, 11:07 AM
What in that thread where you said there are 20,000 college QBs that would look better then Tebow right now?

Yes.. then too.. because you made yourself look stupid then too. And the discussion before that.. and the one before that.. etc etc... ROFL!

DBroncos4life
07-29-2011, 11:12 AM
Yes.. then too.. because you made yourself look stupid then too. And the discussion before that.. and the one before that.. etc etc... ROFL!

When QB's can come in off the street and look better then Tebow we have a problem.

MacGruder
07-29-2011, 11:15 AM
When QB's can come in off the street and look better then Tebow we have a problem.

The key word is "look".

Both Quinn and Orton "looked" better than Tebow until it was actual NFL games and not practices.

That's why looks are incredibly deceiving.. and why people were so stupid to say Tebow didn't "look" like an NFL QB in the first place.

Cito Pelon
07-29-2011, 11:18 AM
He wasn't afraid last year either. That turned out well...

First of all, Denver and Miami have not talked about what the compensation is for Orton. Elway confirmed that, it was all media speculation. The trade is questionable if it will occur. We're just gonna have to wait and see what happens.

Tebow has some proving to do. I'd like to see Tebow get first-team snaps equal to Orton's in PS, and we'll see how the two compare. I like Tebow's chances, but he has to prove himself more than the last 3 games of 2010. Now he has his chance to show he's prepared and ready to go.

If Tebow can't prove in PS with the first team, then why start him? If Tebow can't get it done, then they have to go with Orton. And I sure hope if that happens some bush league Bronco fans don't boo Orton.

misturanderson
07-29-2011, 11:22 AM
Locker was considered a definitive number one pick before he went back to college for his senior year. He was raved about all through his college career just like Luck.

Luck was below Locker in this article.. LOL

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/huskies/2011551153_uwfb08.html

Locker's name was being thrown around in that discussion before anybody bothered to look at his stats and before he had to go through any analysis of his game ala combine or pro days. The only reason he was even in the discussion was because Bradford hadn't thrown in 4 months at the time. Locker was never going to go #1 overall even if he had come out early.

He also wasn't raved about like Luck has been (except maybe in the state of Washington), but keep believing that. Nobody has been seen as Luck-level prospect since Peyton Manning and even Manning may not have been. Bradford could have if he'd stayed healthy. Locker never broke a 60% completion percentage in college.

MacGruder
07-29-2011, 11:22 AM
If Tebow can't prove in PS with the first team, then why start him? If Tebow can't get it done, then they have to go with Orton. And I sure hope if that happens some bush league Bronco fans don't boo Orton.

Tebow outplayed Orton last season with almost no starter reps and Orton starting throguh the whole season and a year in the system over Tebow... and Tebow had no head coach.

That is beyond ownage.

MacGruder
07-29-2011, 11:25 AM
He also wasn't raved about like Luck has been (except maybe in the state of Washington), but keep believing that. Nobody has been seen as Luck-level prospect since Peyton Manning and even Manning may not have been. Bradford could have if he'd stayed healthy. Locker never broke a 60% completion percentage in college.

That's BS dude.. you are buying into the hype. Same hype Kiper was spewing in that article about the stellar Locker who was exposed. Luck didn't even really get much talk until last year.. and it was the end of last year.

ALL these guys outside the SEC fly under the radar and aren't nitpicked.. that is the point. This is why Tebow was so underrated.. even Peyton Manning was relatively underrated.

DBroncos4life
07-29-2011, 11:29 AM
That's BS dude.. you are buying into the hype. Same hype Kiper was spewing in that article about the stellar Locker who was exposed. Luck didn't even really get much talk until last year.. and it was the end of last year.

ALL these guys outside the SEC fly under the radar and aren't nitpicked.. that is the point. This is why Tebow was so underrated.. even Peyton Manning was relatively underrated.

Not this **** again.

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Cito Pelon
07-29-2011, 11:29 AM
Actually, Tebow looked rattled by his own poor performance in practice one. I like the guy as a gamer, but he absolutely still has to prove himself. He actually looked pretty bad. I heard words from camp observers like "scattershot". That's not good.

We'll just have to see what happens.

lostknight
07-29-2011, 11:33 AM
Yeah. Orton is such a boss every team that he's played for has tried to trade him.

MacGruder
07-29-2011, 11:38 AM
Actually, Tebow looked rattled by his own poor performance in practice one. I like the guy as a gamer, but he absolutely still has to prove himself. He actually looked pretty bad. I heard words from camp observers like "scattershot". That's not good.

We'll just have to see what happens.

Tebow is a slow starter.. I have tried to explain this before... He is incredibly focused. Maybe being so focused hinders him early but helps him as he gets warmed up. It's day one after all.

MacGruder
07-29-2011, 11:41 AM
Not this **** again.

Are you in denial again?

I don't know what better example you could have.. Ryan Leaf rated higher than Peyton by many..

That's what playing completely different competition does... That's how Bradford gets the number one pick over Tebow and then Tebow outperforms him in his first 3 NFL games.

Requiem
07-29-2011, 11:42 AM
Shut up MacGruder.

MacGruder
07-29-2011, 11:44 AM
Shut up MacGruder.

I love you, too.

DBroncos4life
07-29-2011, 11:47 AM
Are you in denial again?

I don't know what better example you could have.. Ryan Leaf rated higher than Peyton by many..

That's what playing completely different competition does... That's how Bradford gets the number one pick over Tebow and then Tebow outperforms him in his first 3 NFL games.

Oh my ****ing god. Call me when Tebow wins 8 games in the NFL.

lostknight
07-29-2011, 11:56 AM
Ahh. I see the children are at it again. Glad to know that you all are starting the year on a high note.

MacGruder
07-29-2011, 11:58 AM
Oh my ****ing god. Call me when Tebow wins 8 games in the NFL.

Call me when Bradford plays a style that can actually win a playoff game... or win anything of value...

Call me when Bradford averages more than 6 yards per attempt..

alkemical
07-29-2011, 12:04 PM
Is peeing off the top of a parking garage BOSS?

DBroncos4life
07-29-2011, 12:07 PM
Is peeing off the top of a parking garage BOSS?

Is chicken strips involved in anyway?

alkemical
07-29-2011, 12:08 PM
Is chicken strips involved in anyway?

no chicken strips, but i did see the hamburgler.