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tsiguy96
07-27-2011, 11:25 AM
@AdamSchefter
Dolphins and Broncos engaged in trade talks that would send Kyle Orton to Miami. Both teams would like to make it happen.




M.ichelleBeisner: My sources telling me that the Broncos and Dolphins are in serious trade talks - could happen within the next 6 hours

this might go down today.

guesses on what it is? id say its almost certainly a 3rd with possibility of moving to a 2nd.

vancejohnson82
07-27-2011, 11:27 AM
its hinging on a contract extension

BlueCrusher
07-27-2011, 11:27 AM
Orlando Sentinel story (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/football/dolphins/fl-miami-dolphins-kyle-orton-0728,0,6707902.story) on Orton and Fins...

Interesting they mention Quinn as a possibility. I haven't heard anything about him being on the trading block.

Beantown Bronco
07-27-2011, 11:27 AM
Why the hell is nobody else talking about this in any other threads?!?


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jhns
07-27-2011, 11:29 AM
Bring Marshall back!

EmpireOrange
07-27-2011, 11:31 AM
this might go down today.

guesses on what it is? id say its almost certainly a 3rd with possibility of moving to a 2nd.


my sources say a 3rd in 2012 and a 4th in 2013

bronclvr
07-27-2011, 11:35 AM
Rotoworld is reporting that Orton has offered to re-structure his Contract to stay in Denver-


http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/207149/report-orton-trade-could-go-down-wednesday

tsiguy96
07-27-2011, 11:36 AM
Rotoworld is reporting that Orton has offered to re-structure his Contract to stay in Denver-


http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/207149/report-orton-trade-could-go-down-wednesday

no, miami herald is reporting that, and rotoworld doesnt believe it...

bronclvr
07-27-2011, 11:37 AM
no, miami herald is reporting that, and rotoworld doesnt believe it...

Oops! Sorry, I was a little too fast on the Trigger there-

Steve Prefontaine
07-27-2011, 11:44 AM
Already posted an hour ago...

http://orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=98955&page=10

post 367

A whole thread dedicated to this discussion

Dagmar
07-27-2011, 11:45 AM
this might go down today.

guesses on what it is? id say its almost certainly a 3rd with possibility of moving to a 2nd.

You really needed another thread on this? 16 pager on the front page not enough?

TheReverend
07-27-2011, 11:45 AM
Apparently this stupid ****ing trade is taking ALL of the resources and that's why we can't even field a decent offer for a ****ing free agent.

LOL I'm so mad.

tsiguy96
07-27-2011, 11:46 AM
touche

DBroncos4life
07-27-2011, 12:01 PM
You really needed another thread on this? 16 pager on the front page not enough?

Do you think 2010's super fan of the year is going to let some newb take his place without a fight?

ChrisToker
07-27-2011, 12:08 PM
EFX needs to just get this done already. We haven't done a god damn thing in FA yet!!! Letting D Williams back to panthers, probably didn't even called Coefield agent, and Brandon MeBane better be on the line w/ Denver this second

Inkana7
07-27-2011, 12:09 PM
EFX needs to just get this done already. We haven't done a god damn thing in FA yet!!! Letting D Williams back to panthers, probably didn't even called Coefield agent, and Brandon MeBane better be on the line w/ Denver this second

ClaytonESPN John Clayton
The Broncos are trying to get DT Brandon MeBane out of Seattle. New Orleans also in hunt

vancejohnson82
07-27-2011, 12:10 PM
OH NOES!!! WEES HAS TOO TWEADS FUH WON TUPIC!!!!

schaaf
07-27-2011, 12:15 PM
Tons of Fap in this thread

Rabb
07-27-2011, 12:17 PM
EFX needs to just get this done already. We haven't done a god damn thing in FA yet!!! Letting D Williams back to panthers, probably didn't even called Coefield agent, and Brandon MeBane better be on the line w/ Denver this second

I am glad you don't run the team

55CrushEm
07-27-2011, 12:19 PM
OH NOES!!! WEES HAS TOO TWEADS FUH WON TUPIC!!!!

Haha. Yup. The thread police are always out in force.

Mr. Elway
07-27-2011, 12:21 PM
EFX needs to just get this done already. We haven't done a god damn thing in FA yet!!! Letting D Williams back to panthers, probably didn't even called Coefield agent, and Brandon MeBane better be on the line w/ Denver this second

Take it easy Francis.

alkemical
07-27-2011, 12:23 PM
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k82/amesj523/griesehitstheroadyr1.jpg

"Need any help Kyle?"

Dagmar
07-27-2011, 12:24 PM
OH NOES!!! WEES HAS TOO TWEADS FUH WON TUPIC!!!!

Winding up tis is always a chortle though. ;)

TonyR
07-27-2011, 12:27 PM
Letting D Williams back to panthers...

Hard to get a guy when his current team offers money like that. Would have been ridiculous for the Broncos to pay out like that for Williams.

schaaf
07-27-2011, 12:30 PM
Traded with Washington for a DT check Elways twitter

TheReverend
07-27-2011, 12:40 PM
Traded with Washington for a DT check Elways twitter

Put the pipe down

ChrisToker
07-27-2011, 12:56 PM
I am glad you don't run the team

If I ran the team at least #### would get done. I was under impression that the front office had a "Plan A, Plan B and Plan C" when it came to FA? Was the plan to wait till all other teams picked the good players and then we take the unwanted ones?

Beantown Bronco
07-27-2011, 01:09 PM
Was the plan to wait till all other teams picked the good players and then we take the unwanted ones?

Even worse. We're trading and giving up starters for the unwanted ones.

ICON
07-27-2011, 01:10 PM
Interesting: If Denver trades Orton to Miami - they will face both Orton and Cutler this season.

ChrisToker
07-27-2011, 01:27 PM
Interesting: If Denver trades Orton to Miami - they will face both Orton and Cutler this season.

Do you think Marshall is happy that Miami is going after Orton? I dont think that he is, I believe that Marshall thinks he was a joke and couldn't thow deep. Orton was able to air it out a tad, but never to be mistaken as a cannon.

Broncos4tw
07-27-2011, 01:30 PM
Interesting: If Denver trades Orton to Miami - they will face both Orton and Cutler this season.

Well, then at least we can take solace in the knowledge we'll be no worse than 2-14 this year.

DBroncos4life
07-27-2011, 01:32 PM
Do you think Marshall is happy that Miami is going after Orton? I dont think that he is, I believe that Marshall thinks he was a joke and couldn't thow deep. Orton was able to air it out a tad, but never to be mistaken as a cannon.

Pro Bowl with Orton, worst year in the NFL with Henne. I'm sure he is just pissed the heck off.

Quoydogs
07-27-2011, 01:33 PM
Interesting: If Denver trades Orton to Miami - they will face both Orton and Cutler this season.

So is this a good thing ??

Dean
07-27-2011, 01:34 PM
Do you think Marshall is happy that Miami is going after Orton? I dont think that he is, I believe that Marshall thinks he was a joke and couldn't thow deep. Orton was able to air it out a tad, but never to be mistaken as a cannon.

B-Marsh had Chad Henne throwing the ball last year. I would think that he would be happy with just about anyone else lining up at QB this year.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
07-27-2011, 01:35 PM
Do you think Marshall is happy that Miami is going after Orton? I dont think that he is, I believe that Marshall thinks he was a joke and couldn't thow deep. Orton was able to air it out a tad, but never to be mistaken as a cannon.

Didn't Marshall have his best year as a pro with Orton at the helm? Didn't he also set the NFL record for receptions in a game with Orton at the helm?

yeah. I bet he's so mad, he's gonna go beat up his woman.

Abqbronco
07-27-2011, 01:35 PM
So is this a good thing ??

I don't believe it either good or bad. It is "interesting."

Gutless Drunk
07-27-2011, 01:40 PM
How did Marshall enjoy working with Orton? Good question.

That’s why I asked it of the Beast during the dying days of the 2010 regular season.

“It was up and down there, too, but Jay Cutler was my guy,” Marshall said in late December. “He threw it up, but that was so long ago in the past. It’s time to move on, but Kyle and I hit a point in the season last year when he threw it up and I made a few plays and had a chance to put our offense and our team in good positions'

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_seasonticket/2011/05/what-would-brandon-marshall-think-of-pairing-with-kyle-orton-again-miami-dolphins-fan-poll-results.html

Mogulseeker
07-27-2011, 01:42 PM
Also Marshall isn't a deep threat - he pairs well with Orton.

ChrisToker
07-27-2011, 01:42 PM
So big diffrence in offensive game plan Denver and miami smartasses. It dosnt matter who QB is in miami, no WR will catch near 100 passes. Before you go blabbing out your pie hole a bout BMarsh 21 reception game McDouchebag was just trying to build trade value.

Rabb
07-27-2011, 01:44 PM
So big diffrence in offensive game plan Denver and miami smartasses. It dosnt matter how QB is in miami, no WR will catch near 100 passes. Before you go blabbing out your pie hole a bout BMarsh 21 reception game McDouchebag was just trying to build trade value.

I read that twice, and still don't know what the **** you are saying

TheElusiveKyleOrton
07-27-2011, 01:46 PM
So big diffrence in offensive game plan Denver and miami smartasses. It dosnt matter who QB is in miami, no WR will catch near 100 passes. Before you go blabbing out your pie hole a bout BMarsh 21 reception game McDouchebag was just trying to build trade value.

72 posts and already throwing out "McDouchebag" and "pie hole," along with assertions like "no WR will catch near 100 passes"? Look who's all growns up!

(Psst: He had 86 catches last year in Miami. In 14 games.)

DBroncos4life
07-27-2011, 01:47 PM
So big diffrence in offensive game plan Denver and miami smartasses. It dosnt matter who QB is in miami, no WR will catch near 100 passes. Before you go blabbing out your pie hole a bout BMarsh 21 reception game McDouchebag was just trying to build trade value.

He had 86 catches in 14 games last year with Miami.

Quoydogs
07-27-2011, 01:47 PM
I don't believe it either good or bad. It is "interesting."

I think it's a good thing. It will be nice to play against another team that can only throw the ball in ten yard routes.

CEH
07-27-2011, 01:47 PM
Also Marshall isn't a deep threat - he pairs well with Orton.

Marshall and Orton can set the NFL record for most receptions in a game at 3 yards per catch

Steve Sewell
07-27-2011, 02:04 PM
Do you think Marshall is happy that Miami is going after Orton? I dont think that he is, I believe that Marshall thinks he was a joke and couldn't thow deep. Orton was able to air it out a tad, but never to be mistaken as a cannon.

What and informed and insightful poster you are.

/rollseyes

broncosteven
07-27-2011, 02:04 PM
Marshall and Orton can set the NFL record for most receptions in a game at 3 yards per catch


I think Miami wants Orton to chuck it deep to Marshall

BTW I just saw on NFLN that Orton showed up at Dove Valley today, maybe he wanted to see Brady Quinn naked one last time?

TheReverend
07-27-2011, 02:07 PM
Beisner: I talked to Lloyd and he says he's ready for Tim Tebow and that he's been preparing for Tebow all off-season

CEH
07-27-2011, 02:07 PM
BTW I just saw on NFLN that Orton showed up at Dove Valley today, maybe he wanted to see Brady Quinn naked one last time?

Or one last skank in Michele Biesner who is waiting for Orton outside Dove Valley

cutthemdown
07-27-2011, 02:09 PM
Rotoworld is reporting that Orton has offered to re-structure his Contract to stay in Denver-


http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/207149/report-orton-trade-could-go-down-wednesday

That's good. It could mean Orton playing ball to make other team think Broncos could just keep him. Right now they think we won't pay him that much money to be a bkup maybe starter.

broncosteven
07-27-2011, 02:10 PM
Or one last skank in Michele Biesner who is waiting for Orton outside Dove Valley

She just said Orton will be attending the mandatory 4pm players meeting today.

Now the NFLN has some dude doing a tutorial for the Cowboys press.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
07-27-2011, 02:11 PM
Or one last skank in Michele Biesner who is waiting for Orton outside Dove Valley

Dang... girl is fine. I'd beat it up like it owed me something.

cutthemdown
07-27-2011, 02:11 PM
Marshall is so over rated. Did you guys watch him much last yr? I think he's gotten slower. He takes a pounding with his style and IMO won't be even talked about as an elite WR in a couple more years. He has great size, great RAC, poor hands and avg speed. Nothing in that skill set screams all pro to me.

CEH
07-27-2011, 02:14 PM
Dang... girl is fine. I'd beat it up like it owed me something.

And she's friends with Renee Herlocker a former Broncos cheerleader now part time reporter. Makes me want to drive by Dove Valley to stalk err see her

broncosteven
07-27-2011, 02:15 PM
I love how NFLN got duped into a Cowboys presser which just turned out to be a Ford sponsor presser.

Rulon Velvet Jones
07-27-2011, 02:15 PM
I want to wear her skin as a suit jacket.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
07-27-2011, 02:16 PM
I want to wear her skin as a suit jacket.

Yeah! I... wait, what?

Lestat
07-27-2011, 02:26 PM
serial killer alert :gimme:
I want to wear her skin as a suit jacket.

jhns
07-27-2011, 02:31 PM
Marshall is so over rated. Did you guys watch him much last yr? I think he's gotten slower. He takes a pounding with his style and IMO won't be even talked about as an elite WR in a couple more years. He has great size, great RAC, poor hands and avg speed. Nothing in that skill set screams all pro to me.

He is statistically one of the best receivers ever when looking at their first five years. I wouldn't call that overrated.

OABB
07-27-2011, 02:32 PM
He is statistically one of the best receivers ever when looking at their first five years. I wouldn't call that overrated.

agreed. Someone like Cutler is overrated.

Miss I.
07-27-2011, 02:32 PM
I want to wear her skin as a suit jacket.

It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again....;D

tsiguy96
07-27-2011, 02:34 PM
agreed. Someone like Cutler is overrated.

marshall had a downright incredible first few years, and was my favorite bronco for a very long time. hes just like vince young though, do you trust him on and off the field, in every situation?

jhns
07-27-2011, 02:34 PM
agreed. Someone like Cutler is overrated.

You just love making a fool of yourself.

OABB
07-27-2011, 02:37 PM
You just love making a fool of yourself.

no. I wouldn't have said a defense that gave up 41 points, a perfect qb rating and 5 passing touchdowns in a playoff game was good if I did.

jhns
07-27-2011, 02:38 PM
no. I wouldn't have said a defense that gave up 41 points, a perfect qb rating and 5 passing touchdowns in a playoff team was good if I did.

Case closed.

broncosteven
07-27-2011, 02:39 PM
marshall had a downright incredible first few years, and was my favorite bronco for a very long time. hes just like vince young though, do you trust him on and off the field, in every situation?

He was only here for like 4 years!

Rabb
07-27-2011, 02:39 PM
He was only here for like 4 years!

ROFL!

OABB
07-27-2011, 02:39 PM
Case closed.

I thought so too. thanks for coming around finally.

Miss I.
07-27-2011, 02:43 PM
still I am going to miss Orton...who else will post such quality tweets as this:

KingNeckbeard (http://twitter.com/#!/KingNeckbeard)Kyle Orton



I better get traded somewhere with warm weather and skinny bitches with big fake tits who love anal. Looking in your direction Miami!

26 Jul (http://twitter.com/#!/KingNeckbeard/status/95873863946223616)

mkporter
07-27-2011, 02:45 PM
Do you think Marshall is happy that Miami is going after Orton? I dont think that he is, I believe that Marshall thinks he was a joke and couldn't thow deep. Orton was able to air it out a tad, but never to be mistaken as a cannon.

Don't know why he'd care, he's not that good at getting open deep. He's a weapon when he's facing the QB, not so much with his back turned.

Gort
07-27-2011, 02:50 PM
I think Miami wants Orton to chuck it deep to Marshall

BTW I just saw on NFLN that Orton showed up at Dove Valley today, maybe he wanted to see Brady Quinn naked one last time?

i have it on good authority that he was there to retrieve all the bottles of Jack Daniels he had secretly stashed around the facility.

bendog
07-27-2011, 02:53 PM
Don't know why he'd care, he's not that good at getting open deep. He's a weapon when he's facing the QB, not so much with his back turned.

Through bitter experience BM has learned to never turn his back on someone about to throw something his way

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=4216417

tsiguy96
07-27-2011, 04:12 PM
He was only here for like 4 years!

LOL

i guess i spent so much time saying how he was one of my favs on this team since i signed up i guess that didnt come to my mind. good call.

phillybroncosnut
07-27-2011, 04:28 PM
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k82/amesj523/griesehitstheroadyr1.jpg

"Need any help Kyle?"

Is that Brian griese?

Punisher
07-27-2011, 04:39 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DTJU1bfaraQ/TJ0psiu3COI/AAAAAAAABIM/7-07RjkXqhw/s1600/RandyQuaidXOut.jpg

Tebow YOU MAKE MY BUTT STING!

http://www.hark.com/clips/xgscbhnzlb-you-make-my-butt-sting

Dedhed
07-27-2011, 04:43 PM
He is statistically one of the best receivers ever when looking at their first five years. I wouldn't call that overrated.
Where does he rate in TDs?

jhns
07-27-2011, 05:02 PM
Where does he rate in TDs?

First!

Mogulseeker
07-27-2011, 05:02 PM
Beisner: I talked to Lloyd and he says he's ready for Tim Tebow and that he's been preparing for Tebow all off-season

No homo.

Punisher
07-27-2011, 05:06 PM
No homo.

No wigger

FireFly
07-27-2011, 05:13 PM
You really needed another thread on this? 16 pager on the front page not enough?

Cut him some slack - people are excited about football again! :yayaya:

Besides, I'm someone that always misses important information when it's buried in 15+ page threads

OrangeSe7en
07-27-2011, 05:16 PM
Cut him some slack - people are excited about football again! :yayaya:

Besides, I'm someone that always misses important information when it's buried in 15+ page threads

QFT

Beantown Bronco
07-27-2011, 05:19 PM
First!

Randy Moss and his 60 TDs in his first 5 years in the league laughs hysterically at this.

cmhargrove
07-27-2011, 05:21 PM
Marshall is so over rated. Did you guys watch him much last yr? I think he's gotten slower. He takes a pounding with his style and IMO won't be even talked about as an elite WR in a couple more years. He has great size, great RAC, poor hands and avg speed. Nothing in that skill set screams all pro to me.

Did you know that when Marshall was stabbed by his wife this offseason, his first claim was that he slipped and fell on a vase? You would think he learned his lesson from the McDonald's wrapper - as$ clown.

Lev Vyvanse
07-27-2011, 05:22 PM
Randy Moss and his 60 TDs in his first 5 years in the league laughs hysterically at this.

Jerry Rice is laughing harder.

broncosteven
07-27-2011, 05:22 PM
Is that Brian griese?

yep

DBroncos4life
07-27-2011, 05:27 PM
Randy Moss and his 60 TDs in his first 5 years in the league laughs hysterically at this.

Owens Had 43 which is only 15 more then Marshall. Rice had 66 TDs as well. Facts are all jhns knows tho so I think we might be wrong some how.

mkporter
07-27-2011, 05:28 PM
Jerry Rice is laughing harder.

The following are all mildly amused:

Marques Colston - 40
TO - 43
Ocho - 34
Larry Fitz- 46
Boldin - 29

Punisher
07-27-2011, 05:29 PM
Owens Had 43 which is only 15 more then Marshall. Rice had 66 TDs as well. Facts are all jhns knows tho so I think we might be wrong some how.

Owens and Moss FA's 6 years ago this would of been pretty interesting

DBroncos4life
07-27-2011, 05:33 PM
Owens and Moss FA's 6 years ago this would of been pretty interesting

Bring them in anyways Tebow will change them!!!

Punisher
07-27-2011, 05:50 PM
Bring them in anyways Tebow will change them!!!

I Don't think TO or Moss are good blocking WRs

DBroncos4life
07-27-2011, 05:55 PM
I Don't think TO or Moss are good blocking WRs

Well when we get a RB that needs down field blocking we will have a problem till then we are fine ;)

Agamemnon
07-27-2011, 06:05 PM
I'd be really surprised if we got Starks for Orton. And tickled pink.

OrangeSe7en
07-27-2011, 06:27 PM
If Orton is negotiating with Miami, would that suggest that the Broncos and Dolphins already have a deal in place?

Lestat
07-27-2011, 06:37 PM
probably just means the Phins won't engage in serious talks without agreeing on a deal with Orton first.
which is great for Denver because then we can ask for what we want and put the pressure on them to make the deal.
If Orton is negotiating with Miami, would that suggest that the Broncos and Dolphins already have a deal in place?

Quoydogs
07-27-2011, 06:38 PM
If Orton is negotiating with Miami, would that suggest that the Broncos and Dolphins already have a deal in place?

2 navel oranges, Pat pays for the shipping. I think we did just fine.

HooptyHoops
07-27-2011, 06:41 PM
Anybody else just waiting to hear that Orton has, in fact, been traded to the Dolphins? Seriously, this is taking forever!!

Quoydogs
07-27-2011, 06:41 PM
Anybody else just waiting to hear that Orton has, in fact, been traded to the Dolphins? Seriously, this is taking forever!!

This!

Punisher
07-27-2011, 06:43 PM
BREAKING NEWS!
Tebow traded to the Dolphins!

Dagmar
07-27-2011, 06:51 PM
BREAKING NEWS!
Tebow traded to the Dolphins!

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_loljfj1O3Y1qlmvl4o1_400.gif

StugotsIII
07-27-2011, 06:54 PM
BREAKING NEWS!
Tebow traded to the Dolphins!

http://i1034.photobucket.com/albums/a426/PoetrysInMotion/NP%20GIFS/SIMON-CONFUSED-GIF-2.gif

serious hops
07-27-2011, 07:02 PM
Anybody else just waiting to hear that Orton has, in fact, been traded to the Dolphins? Seriously, this is taking forever!!

They're really working the angles to get some mustard on that ham sandwich. Xanders' deli expertise is finally paying dividends!

Tim
07-27-2011, 07:04 PM
will orton be in the ring of fame?

serious hops
07-27-2011, 07:06 PM
will orton be in the ring of fame?

Yes. Good call!

Tim
07-27-2011, 07:07 PM
Yes. Good call!

I agree, his numbers in the first part of last season broke franchise records!

broncosteven
07-27-2011, 07:10 PM
I agree, his numbers in the first part of last season broke franchise records!

So did Larry Coyers 2006 D

Punisher
07-27-2011, 07:15 PM
Will Tebow be in the ring of fame?

Tim
07-27-2011, 07:17 PM
Will Tebow be in the ring of fame?

yes.

Dagmar
07-27-2011, 07:19 PM
Will Tebow be in the ring of fame?

Thought he'd been traded troll?

DBroncos4life
07-27-2011, 07:23 PM
I wish would use something else besides smoke signals when we negotiate.

mwill07
07-27-2011, 07:25 PM
twitter (http://twitter.com/#%21/OmarKelly/status/96380615808651266)

@OmarKelly (http://twitter.com/#%21/OmarKelly) Omar Kelly



RT @dolfan565 (http://twitter.com/dolfan565): it sounds like the Orton hold-up is agreeing to a new contract, NOT the compensation. Right?» That would be correct sir.

Punisher
07-27-2011, 07:25 PM
Thought he'd been traded troll?

They traded him back too many RBs on the Phins

Quoydogs
07-27-2011, 07:41 PM
Deal for Orton Reportedly in Place
Mike Klis of the Denver Post is reporting that the Denver Broncos and the Miami Dolphins have the basics of a deal that would send Kyle Orton to Miami in place.

This comes with the news that Kyle Orton has left the Broncos team headquarters and is not expected to return for the Broncos 4:00 mandatory meeting. The only remaining piece of the deal is a contract that Orton and the Dolphins are expected to negotiate.

Brace yourselves for more details.

UPDATE: Kyle Orton, contrary to previous reports, has in fact returned to the Broncos headquarters. It is unknown whether he will attend the mandatory 4:00 meeting. He is still supposed to be negotiating a contract with the Dolphins.

Punisher
07-27-2011, 07:46 PM
Deal for Orton Reportedly in Place
Mike Klis of the Denver Post is reporting that the Denver Broncos and the Miami Dolphins have the basics of a deal that would send Kyle Orton to Miami in place.

This comes with the news that Kyle Orton has left the Broncos team headquarters and is not expected to return for the Broncos 4:00 mandatory meeting. The only remaining piece of the deal is a contract that Orton and the Dolphins are expected to negotiate.

Brace yourselves for more details.

UPDATE: Kyle Orton, contrary to previous reports, has in fact returned to the Broncos headquarters. It is unknown whether he will attend the mandatory 4:00 meeting. He is still supposed to be negotiating a contract with the Dolphins.

What a Face palm organization this has become

snowspot66
07-27-2011, 07:47 PM
What a Face palm organization this has become

Since when does reporters guessing and failing repeatedly reflect poorly on us?

bowtown
07-27-2011, 07:48 PM
What a Face palm organization this has become

You should probably just quit again.

StugotsIII
07-27-2011, 07:48 PM
Kolb to AZ for a 2nd and the DRC.

bowtown
07-27-2011, 07:50 PM
Kolb to AZ for a 2nd and the DRC.

Orton is now worth a 2nd.

broncosteven
07-27-2011, 07:50 PM
Deal for Orton Reportedly in Place
Mike Klis of the Denver Post is reporting that the Denver Broncos and the Miami Dolphins have the basics of a deal that would send Kyle Orton to Miami in place.

This comes with the news that Kyle Orton has left the Broncos team headquarters and is not expected to return for the Broncos 4:00 mandatory meeting. The only remaining piece of the deal is a contract that Orton and the Dolphins are expected to negotiate.

Brace yourselves for more details.

UPDATE: Kyle Orton, contrary to previous reports, has in fact returned to the Broncos headquarters. It is unknown whether he will attend the mandatory 4:00 meeting. He is still supposed to be negotiating a contract with the Dolphins.

Beer (Jack) Run?

Bob's your Information Minister
07-27-2011, 07:51 PM
So be honest...how many of you own Orton jerseys?

oubronco
07-27-2011, 07:52 PM
What are we gettin for Orton

bowtown
07-27-2011, 07:53 PM
So be honest...how many of you own Orton jerseys?

You are the only one, Chunky.

broncosteven
07-27-2011, 07:55 PM
So be honest...how many of you own Orton jerseys?

How many of you own Steve Bono Jersey's?

NUB
07-27-2011, 08:00 PM
I own a Rick Mirer jersey.

No regrets.

DBroncos4life
07-27-2011, 08:00 PM
Kolb to AZ for a 2nd and the DRC.

What you told me they wanted Orton. LOL

broncosteven
07-27-2011, 08:02 PM
I own a Rick Mirer jersey.

No regrets.

Did it come with mustard on it from sideline hotdogs?

Archer81
07-27-2011, 08:02 PM
So be honest...how many of you own Orton jerseys?


Significantly less then the amount of Chief fans owning Croyle jerseys.


:Broncos:

StugotsIII
07-27-2011, 08:03 PM
What you told me they wanted Orton. LOL

He was on their radar for sure…


Another bad move for AZ:wave:

TheReverend
07-27-2011, 08:03 PM
We have the worst goddamn beat writers on the ****ing planet.

broncosteven
07-27-2011, 08:03 PM
Significantly less then the amount of Chief fans owning Croyle jerseys.


:Broncos:

They have to dress their sister/wives in something.

Archer81
07-27-2011, 08:06 PM
They have to dress their sister/wives in something.


That what Eddie Kennison jerseys are for.


:Broncos:

ICON
07-27-2011, 08:13 PM
So be honest...how many of you own Orton jerseys?http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13/broncogator/hayseed_original.jpg

DBroncos4life
07-27-2011, 08:15 PM
He was on their radar for sure…


Another bad move for AZ:wave:

It's cool just tell me I was right and everything will be copacetic :)

StugotsIII
07-27-2011, 08:17 PM
It's cool just tell me I was right and everything will be copacetic :)

You were right:Whaaaa!:

Dagmar
07-27-2011, 08:18 PM
What a Face palm organization this has become

Why don't you quit supporting the team again, sure no one would ****ing miss you. ;)

DBroncos4life
07-27-2011, 08:21 PM
You were right:Whaaaa!:

Rep for you!

GoHAM
07-27-2011, 09:37 PM
Dang... girl is fine. I'd beat it up like it owed me something.

This post is worthless without pictures:


http://www.mancavesports.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/michelle-beisner-4.jpg

Gutless Drunk
07-27-2011, 09:42 PM
"La Canfora: Dolphins, Orton still talking contract

La Canfora said compensation won't be an issue but Orton's contract demands are holding up deal. Trade still a strong possibility according to him.
Orton wants north of $6 million per year on a long term contract, with a good signing bonus. As well as being "the guy" and the starter."

http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?301242-La-Canfora-Dolphins-Orton-still-talking-contract

Oh...and the dolphin fans believe the compensation to be a conditional 4th which, of course, is radically different than what is being discussed here.

Shananahan
07-27-2011, 09:43 PM
This post is worthless without pictures:
That's a man, right?

snowspot66
07-27-2011, 09:46 PM
That's a man, right?

That's how the media works these days. Throw on a padded pushup bra and a little photoshop post work. It's hawt don't you know?

Kaylore
07-27-2011, 09:49 PM
So I'm officially getting nervous. I really hope I'm not reading a thread tomorrow morning that says "Talks fall apart. Orton not traded."

schaaf
07-27-2011, 09:53 PM
So I'm officially getting nervous. I really hope I'm not reading a thread tomorrow morning that says "Talks fall apart. Orton not traded."

It's happening tomorrow, on Tuesday I got season tickets, today I drew for a guided Elk hunt into Theodore Roosevelt National Park..... And tomorrow Orton is a dolphin

Dagmar
07-27-2011, 09:53 PM
So I'm officially getting nervous. I really hope I'm not reading a thread tomorrow morning that says "Talks fall apart. Orton not traded."

The thing is, I can't see the trade not going through because Orton demands to "be the man, the starter etc" as he knows he wont be here surely. We are trying to trade him!

Lestat
07-27-2011, 09:59 PM
Orton wants to get paid. everywhere he's been he's been seen as the guy who's a nice fall back option.
he's came in and started, beat out other guys and won games. but now this is likely the only time he'll get to cash in and have job security.
it's going to get done, he knows the Broncos aren't going to anoint him as the man.
So I'm officially getting nervous. I really hope I'm not reading a thread tomorrow morning that says "Talks fall apart. Orton not traded."

cutthemdown
07-27-2011, 10:06 PM
So I'm officially getting nervous. I really hope I'm not reading a thread tomorrow morning that says "Talks fall apart. Orton not traded."

Won't happen because the other headline would be Chad Henne to start. That just doesn't sound feasible to me.

epicSocialism4tw
07-27-2011, 10:10 PM
"La Canfora: Dolphins, Orton still talking contract

La Canfora said compensation won't be an issue but Orton's contract demands are holding up deal. Trade still a strong possibility according to him.
Orton wants north of $6 million per year on a long term contract, with a good signing bonus. As well as being "the guy" and the starter."

http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?301242-La-Canfora-Dolphins-Orton-still-talking-contract

Oh...and the dolphin fans believe the compensation to be a conditional 4th which, of course, is radically different than what is being discussed here.

A conditional fourth for the top QB on the market?

Um...probably not.

I mean, Orton's no Tebow, but he has some real value out there and is coming off of his best season as a pro.

bigbucks24
07-27-2011, 10:15 PM
A conditional fourth for the top QB on the market?

Um...probably not.

I mean, Orton's no Tebow, but he has some real value out there and is coming off of his best season as a pro.

What do you think the compensation WILL be? Not what do you want or what do you think it SHOULD be. What do you think it WILL be?

cutthemdown
07-27-2011, 10:15 PM
If all we can get is a 4th we should think about playing hardball. We don't want to set a precedent where other GMS feel they can push Elway around. Hold firm because I bet some guys get injured. The cap doesn't take effect until the end of the yr so we could pay that salary if we had to. It has to be a 3rd round pick that can become a 2nd round pick if he plays well and starts.

epicSocialism4tw
07-27-2011, 10:16 PM
If all we can get is a 4th we should think about playing hardball. We don't want to set a precedent where other GMS feel they can push Orton around. Hold firm because I bet some guys get injured. The cap doesn't take effect until the end of the yr so we could pay that salary if we had to. It has to be a 3rd round pick that can become a 2nd round pick if he plays well and starts.

I wouldn't do anything less than that, but I would rather they send a player or two back like has been discussed with Starks.

mkporter
07-27-2011, 10:28 PM
We have the worst goddamn beat writers on the ****ing planet.

They make me want to vomit. At least we are starting to develop some pretty decent independent guys (Mason, IAOFM). I'm pretty sure we are suffering from Karma after having Schefter for a while. I would have thought burger bill would have used that up, but the KKK, Legwold and Woody are just astoundingly awful. Lindsay is not terrible. That's one out of 6 writers for the Post that isn't painfully bad.

epicSocialism4tw
07-27-2011, 10:33 PM
They make me want to vomit. At least we are starting to develop some pretty decent independent guys (Mason, IAOFM). I'm pretty sure we are suffering from Karma after having Schefter for a while. I would have thought burger bill would have used that up, but the KKK, Legwold and Woody are just astoundingly awful. Lindsay is not terrible. That's one out of 6 writers for the Post that isn't painfully bad.

The problem is just that they don't do their jobs and dig up information. They just parrot what everyone already knows.

Come to think of it, I don't think that any journalists dig up information anymore.

cutthemdown
07-27-2011, 10:44 PM
I wouldn't do anything less than that, but I would rather they send a player or two back like has been discussed with Starks.

Ooops i meant push elway around. I imagine some gms will be testing him early. See if they can push him around into making bad decisions. Its so early, Broncos can sign guys and not worry about trading Orton just yet. Let the Fish watch the market dry up, and face the reality that a 2nd round pick for a starting QB not that much to give up. 4th rounder? no way that is enough IMO. Elway should stick to his guns and act like he has a fall back plan fish don't know about. Hell we could easily float a rumor skins like him. No reason to just let the fish hook elway into a bad deal. Get it fish, hook. HA!

epicSocialism4tw
07-27-2011, 10:47 PM
Ooops i meant push elway around. I imagine some gms will be testing him early. See if they can push him around into making bad decisions. Its so early, Broncos can sign guys and not worry about trading Orton just yet. Let the Fish watch the market dry up, and face the reality that a 2nd round pick for a starting QB not that much to give up. 4th rounder? no way that is enough IMO. Elway should stick to his guns and act like he has a fall back plan fish don't know about. Hell we could easily float a rumor skins like him. No reason to just let the fish hook elway into a bad deal. Get it fish, hook. HA!

The Broncos have already dumped a starter (Gaffney) for a possible back-up and some cap space. Doesn't look like a great move to me unless they can use that money on a starter at a position of need.

Denver really needs to score a top DT (or two), a solid RB, and a solid TE.

cutthemdown
07-27-2011, 10:49 PM
The Broncos have already dumped a starter (Gaffney) for a possible back-up and some cap space. Doesn't look like a great move to me unless they can use that money on a starter at a position of need.

Denver really needs to score a top DT (or two), a solid RB, and a solid TE.

I don't have much to say about that deal, other then that maybe we didn't need to draft both Decker and Thomas if we had known Lloyd, Gaffney could play. Still I see Gaffney as sort of a journeyman bkup wr, or maybe a 3rd wr. If he is any higher then that you probably have an avg passing game. I think it is a good sign that Royal is really healthy and ready to make a comeback.

mkporter
07-27-2011, 10:57 PM
It's not exactly a prime source, but FWIW:
12:40am ET- NBC Channel 5 out of Colorado Springs is reporting that the Broncos and Dolphins have agreed in principle on a trade that will net the Broncos a 2nd round draft pick for Kyle Orton (thanks, CompUser). We'll see how this shakes out soon.

From IAOFM (http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/)

Lestat
07-27-2011, 10:59 PM
damn, i was getting excited about Starks. but a 2nd definitely works.
It's not exactly a prime source, but FWIW:


From IAOFM (http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/)

strafen
07-27-2011, 11:10 PM
damn, i was getting excited about Starks. but a 2nd definitely works.Never in my dreams did I think an NFL team was dumb enough to give up a 2nd rounder for Orton LOL
**** happens, if that's the case, I take it.
Kudos to the FO if they pull this off ^5

HooptyHoops
07-27-2011, 11:14 PM
damn, i was getting excited about Starks. but a 2nd definitely works.

Agree with this whole-heartedly!

mkporter
07-27-2011, 11:15 PM
Another beat reporter working circles around the Post:

@JeffDarlington Jeff Darlington
As of last hour, Kyle Orton's camp remained in talks w/ multiple teams. Denver still in the mix, too. "Many moving parts," source says.
32 minutes ago

@JeffDarlington Jeff Darlington
Source stressed this isn't a typical negotiation. It's a trade w/ potentially restructured contract for guy who might be starter or backup.
27 minutes ago via TweetDeck

http://twitter.com/#!/JeffDarlington

uplink
07-27-2011, 11:41 PM
Orton doesn't excite you? Get over it (nice perspective from Miami reporters)

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-hyde-miami-dolphins-0728-20110727,0,6038329.column

maher_tyler
07-28-2011, 12:30 AM
If we get a 2nd for Orton i'd be thrilled considering i don't think he's worth more than a 3rd. I guess if they can actually get a good running game going and a solid defense they might make out ok...but they better pray the game isn't on the line or him having to muster a 4th quarter come back..it's not happening!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
07-28-2011, 07:01 AM
42:21 TD:INT ratio over the last two years.

TOTALLY not worth a second.

LOL

OrangeCrush2724
07-28-2011, 07:22 AM
It's not exactly a prime source, but FWIW:


From IAOFM (http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/)

From Mike and Mike this morning (take it for whats it worth), the Broncos wanted a 2nd or 3rd and the Dolphins were only willing to give up a 4th to 5th. And the talks stopped there last night.

Dagmar
07-28-2011, 07:28 AM
Gregg Rosenthal says Orton will take first team reps today. Great, I mean, Tebow doesn't need the practice or anything.

Rabb
07-28-2011, 07:29 AM
Gregg Rosenthal says Orton will take first team reps today. Great, I mean, Tebow doesn't need the practice or anything.

not just that but why even risk a minor injury at all right now?

that is just stupid if you ask me

ol#7
07-28-2011, 07:35 AM
The problem is, the market is rapidly drying up to deal him. Minnesota, Seattle and even washington have all brought guys in, that leaves just Miami, SF, and Arizona with Kolb still out there as the big fish but options like Hasselbeck and Bulger and even Leinert for the taking. We need one of those other teams to show a little interest to make this happen. We should be on the phone with AZ, even if it is all smoke and mirrors so that Philly backs off on the Kolb demands, it could put enough pressure on the fins to pull the trigger.

tsiguy96
07-28-2011, 07:47 AM
The problem is, the market is rapidly drying up to deal him. Minnesota, Seattle and even washington have all brought guys in, that leaves just Miami, SF, and Arizona with Kolb still out there as the big fish but options like Hasselbeck and Bulger and even Leinert for the taking. We need one of those other teams to show a little interest to make this happen. We should be on the phone with AZ, even if it is all smoke and mirrors so that Philly backs off on the Kolb demands, it could put enough pressure on the fins to pull the trigger.

come on step your game up....
hasselback and leinart already signed.

AZ or miami is all thats left.

Kaylore
07-28-2011, 07:47 AM
The problem is, the market is rapidly drying up to deal him. Minnesota, Seattle and even washington have all brought guys in, that leaves just Miami, SF, and Arizona with Kolb still out there as the big fish but options like Hasselbeck and Bulger and even Leinert for the taking. We need one of those other teams to show a little interest to make this happen. We should be on the phone with AZ, even if it is all smoke and mirrors so that Philly backs off on the Kolb demands, it could put enough pressure on the fins to pull the trigger.

Leinart signed with the Texans.

Dagmar
07-28-2011, 07:53 AM
come on step your game up....
hasselback and leinart already signed.

AZ or miami is all thats left.

Unless something major falls apart for Arizona and Kolb, I think Miami is all that is left.

I'm in the Kaylore, "incredibly nervous" boat at this point.

BroncosMT
07-28-2011, 07:54 AM
Unless something major falls apart for Arizona and Kolb, I think Miami is all that is left.

I'm in the Kaylore, "incredibly nervous" boat at this point.

Agreed....I think it has to happen at this point for fear of dissension in the locker room and the drama that can cause.

OrangeSe7en
07-28-2011, 08:18 AM
Agreed....I think it has to happen at this point for fear of dissension in the locker room and the drama that can cause.

Why? As bad as everyone wants to talk about how bad Orton is, apparently they havent seen Bulger play in recent years. Let Miami confront that.

I think if Miami is only willing to give up a 4th, its not because Orton isnt worth a 2nd. Its partly because of what Miami is also giving Orton in a new contract thats complicating this.

I think at this point, Denver should demand a player in the package. If Miami is not willing to give more than a 4th or a 5th, then Denver might as well get someone who can help them this year, whether its Starks or Merling. If its Merling, they should ask for a pick also.

BroncoInferno
07-28-2011, 08:27 AM
Miami may have no choice but to give us what we want at this point. It looks like Kolb to Arizona is close to a done deal, so they either have to make a move for Orton or go into the year with Chad Henne as the starter again.

ColoradoDarin
07-28-2011, 08:38 AM
Orton to Miami for Starks, then sign Mebane, call it a day and have a HAM sammich.

montrose
07-28-2011, 08:42 AM
Crazy, Orton is on the field and leading the 1st team. Heard a few rumors today the deal with Miami is off and Denver's decided to keep him. Don't know if they're true but if they are, what a debacle.

Kaylore
07-28-2011, 08:45 AM
Crazy, Orton is on the field and leading the 1st team. Heard a few rumors today the deal with Miami is off and Denver's decided to keep him. Don't know if they're true but if they are, what a debacle.

It might be posturing. I say keep him and plan to play him. We don't "have" to trade him yet. Once some QB injuries happen around the league someone will come knocking. It may not be the Dolphins, but it will be someone.

BroncosMT
07-28-2011, 08:46 AM
It might be posturing. I say keep him and plan to play him. We don't "have" to trade him yet. Once some QB injuries happen around the league someone will come knocking. It may not be the Dolphins, but it will be someone.

The only concern I have with this is it is taking reps away from Tebow....and he needs all of them

TheReverend
07-28-2011, 08:47 AM
Please don't ruin my childhood love for you Elway

Requiem
07-28-2011, 08:47 AM
Oh my God.

alkemical
07-28-2011, 08:48 AM
Crazy, Orton is on the field and leading the 1st team. Heard a few rumors today the deal with Miami is off and Denver's decided to keep him. Don't know if they're true but if they are, what a debacle.

I keep having this nightmare that they pass on a trade and end up cutting him.

TheReverend
07-28-2011, 08:48 AM
It might be posturing. I say keep him and plan to play him. We don't "have" to trade him yet. Once some QB injuries happen around the league someone will come knocking. It may not be the Dolphins, but it will be someone.

I addressed this yesterday. Name some examples where this scenario played out.

alkemical
07-28-2011, 08:49 AM
Oh my God.

Yes my child?

ro_50
07-28-2011, 08:49 AM
This is turning into an debacle for Denver. I don't mind if they want to keep Orton but now after two days filled w/ trade talks, now he's running w/ the first team.

Another embarrassing quarterback dilemma for Denver and the way its playing out, Elway and Xanders didn't play it right.

alkemical
07-28-2011, 08:50 AM
I addressed this yesterday. Name some examples where this scenario played out.

You know, like that one time, in supply side economics and they were like talking about supply and demand. Well, get this!

IF there's a plague that comes through and eats the tendons off of only the good QB's in the NFL, then the perceived value of Orton goes up!!!

Cito Pelon
07-28-2011, 08:51 AM
Crazy, Orton is on the field and leading the 1st team. Heard a few rumors today the deal with Miami is off and Denver's decided to keep him. Don't know if they're true but if they are, what a debacle.

Sheesh, Elway saying on the radio it's "False." that Denver requested a 2nd from Miami, and Miami offered a 5th or 6th.

Said 6 of 9 draft picks are almost signed.

Said "We've said all along Orton is the starter."

Gaffney a depth loss.

Said we'll listen to any offers for our players.

alkemical
07-28-2011, 08:51 AM
This is turning into an debacle for Denver. I don't mind if they want to keep Orton but now after two days filled w/ trade talks, now he's running w/ the first team.

Another embarrassing quarterback dilemma for Denver and the way its playing out, Elway and Xanders didn't play it right.

We need more scotch in the AM!

bendog
07-28-2011, 08:52 AM
Maybe they can play them both. Put Tebow at FB, but he can take the snap in shotgun style, which really was his college position, and Kyle can run pass routes or pick up blitzing linebackers ........ They could maybe even motion Kyle outside to a slot position. Defenses might be laughing so hard that it could be efffective.

bendog
07-28-2011, 08:53 AM
We need more scotch in the AM!

I like generic vodka with my metamucel for an eye opener.

Stagger Lee
07-28-2011, 08:53 AM
Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit drinking.

BroncosMT
07-28-2011, 08:53 AM
Maybe they can play them both. Put Tebow at FB, but he can take the snap in shotgun style, which really was his college position, and Kyle can run pass routes or pick up blitzing linebackers ........ They could maybe even motion Kyle outside to a slot position. Defenses might be laughing so hard that it could be efffective.

Or maybe when Orton can go into the fetal position as he is used to to help block.....or is that considered a chop block???

ro_50
07-28-2011, 08:54 AM
We need more scotch in the AM!

I concur!

Just move on w/ the QB position (either let them battle it out or trade Orton) so Denver can move on to filling out the roster.

I'm tired of the QB talk. Just let them battle it out and see what happens.

DenverBroncosJM
07-28-2011, 08:54 AM
It appears mine and a lot of others fear of a inexperienced front office are starting to show

Cito Pelon
07-28-2011, 08:55 AM
The question to Elway was, "So what do you say when you hear that Denver asked Miami for a 2nd and Miami offered a 5th or 6th?" Elway with the one word answer, "False."

Requiem
07-28-2011, 08:55 AM
Trade him you assturtles.

This is a disgrace.

He has no future.

Get what you can.

He is not a winner.

Game on the line? Kyle will mail it in, surefire sucking it up.

Tim I am sorry.

jhns
07-28-2011, 08:57 AM
Maybe they can play them both. Put Tebow at FB, but he can take the snap in shotgun style, which really was his college position, and Kyle can run pass routes or pick up blitzing linebackers ........ They could maybe even motion Kyle outside to a slot position. Defenses might be laughing so hard that it could be efffective.

Orton running routes would be funny. Slowest developing plays, ever.

Glass Orton blocking? I guess that would be a good way to make sure Tebow starts most of the season.

I like it!

alkemical
07-28-2011, 08:57 AM
I like generic vodka with my metamucel for an eye opener.

Generic Vodka's is used for cleaning silly!

mwill07
07-28-2011, 08:59 AM
Crazy, Orton is on the field and leading the 1st team. Heard a few rumors today the deal with Miami is off and Denver's decided to keep him. Don't know if they're true but if they are, what a debacle.

Until the trade is final, Orton should be considered the incumbent starting QB, with all that goes with that. He may end up sticking around a while, I think that it's OK to let Tebow ferment a little longer. When he's ready, he'll relegate Orton to the bench.

I hated the way Tenn treated McNair when they were trying to move him, Orton deserves better than that.

Also, its important for Miami to see that we can move ahead w/Orton. After publicly trying to get Orton, i don't think that they can possibly move ahead w/Henne.

alkemical
07-28-2011, 09:00 AM
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k82/amesj523/griesehitstheroadyr1.jpg


Kyle, can we get DUI with a shopping cart? It's a long way to MIA!

Hercules Rockefeller
07-28-2011, 09:01 AM
This is turning into an debacle for Denver. I don't mind if they want to keep Orton but now after two days filled w/ trade talks, now he's running w/ the first team.

Another embarrassing quarterback dilemma for Denver and the way its playing out, Elway and Xanders didn't play it right.

Bull****. They're not going to give him away.

If Tim wants to start, then he can win the job.

BroncoBuff
07-28-2011, 09:02 AM
I keep having this nightmare that they pass on a trade and end up cutting him.

You're screwing with my head, clavi ... cut that out.

baja
07-28-2011, 09:03 AM
Generic Vodka's is used for cleaning silly!

That's why he drinks it, he can't afford Colon Blow.

mwill07
07-28-2011, 09:03 AM
It appears mine and a lot of others fear of a inexperienced front office are starting to show

Or, the Miami brain trust is trying to pull a fast one on Elway, and he won't have it. It's too early to make judgements like this - for all we know, Elway is handling this perfectly.

TonyR
07-28-2011, 09:03 AM
The Eagles have a QB/trade situation with higher stakes than the Broncos and they haven't gotten it done yet, either. These things take time. Patience.

TheReverend
07-28-2011, 09:06 AM
Bull****. They're not going to give him away.

If Tim wants to start, then he can win the job.

I agree with him. This is an off-season with a major talent glutton due to the lockout.

A FO that can simply be efficient and outWORK other teams could do a wealth of good towards the future of their franchise.

So far it seems like Mr "There's another 7 on the clock!" is the one GETTING outworked... in EVERY area.

BroncoInferno
07-28-2011, 09:07 AM
It appears mine and a lot of others fear of a inexperienced front office are starting to show

How? Because they may be sticking to their guns on what type of value they think Orton is worth?

Hercules Rockefeller
07-28-2011, 09:11 AM
I agree with him. This is an off-season with a major talent glutton due to the lockout.

A FO that can simply be efficient and outWORK other teams could do a wealth of good towards the future of their franchise.

So far it seems like Mr "There's another 7 on the clock!" is the one GETTING outworked... in EVERY area.

Because they're not giving Orton away, they're being outworked? Whatever. If the deal they want isn't there, they shouldn't make a deal simply to make a deal.

The panic on this board that sets in every year during FA if they haven't signed every FA all the arm chair GMs here want is incredible.

TheReverend
07-28-2011, 09:11 AM
How? Because they may be sticking to their guns on what type of value they think Orton is worth?

That might be the case and it might not.

What we do KNOW is that they're losing out on a good chunk of valuable FAs...

TheReverend
07-28-2011, 09:13 AM
Because they're not giving Orton away, they're being outworked? Whatever. If the deal they want isn't there, they shouldn't make a deal simply to make a deal.

The panic on this board that sets in every year during FA if they haven't signed every FA all the arm chair GMs here want is incredible.

Possibly, yeah.

They're certainly being outworked on:

Cofield
Jenkins (at current last word)
and literally every other FA they've shown interest in so far.

But we made a sweet trade with Gaffney, huh?

Beantown Bronco
07-28-2011, 09:13 AM
The panic on this board that sets in every year during FA if they haven't signed every FA all the arm chair GMs here want is incredible.

Ummm, there is a big difference between not signing every FA we want and not signing a single freaking FA at all in a year when the FA period is EXTREMELY truncated and there was literally a ton of talent available at positions of extreme need.

Rabb
07-28-2011, 09:15 AM
yeah, I am starting to worry just a smidge

TheReverend
07-28-2011, 09:15 AM
Ummm, there is a big difference between not signing every FA we want and not signing a single freaking FA at all in a year when the FA period is EXTREMELY truncated and there was literally a ton of talent available at positions of extreme need.

Not to mention we got worked by our former coach potentially 4 times SO FAR:

Atogwe goes to Washington, we spend a top pick on a similar style player
Cofield goes to Washington, EFX holds penis in confusion
Gaffney traded for... lol
Jenkins headed to Washington, Xanders frowns again?

zdoor
07-28-2011, 09:19 AM
Ummm, there is a big difference between not signing every FA we want and not signing a single freaking FA at all in a year when the FA period is EXTREMELY truncated and there was literally a ton of talent available at positions of extreme need.

Gotta agree...

Drunk Monkey
07-28-2011, 09:20 AM
An even worst issue is missing out on a quality DT due to Ortons cap number. Maybe that is what is holding up the Mebane signing. Maybe we can't move on him until we deal Orton.

BroncoInferno
07-28-2011, 09:21 AM
Possibly, yeah.

They're certainly being outworked on:

Cofield
Jenkins (at current last word)
and literally every other FA they've shown interest in so far.

But we made a sweet trade with Gaffney, huh?

Losing out on a FA does not necessarily mean you were "outworked."

Rabb
07-28-2011, 09:21 AM
An even worst issue is missing out on a quality DT due to Ortons cap number. Maybe that is what is holding up the Mebane signing. Maybe we can't move on him until we deal Orton.

did you actually read or hear that?

TheReverend
07-28-2011, 09:21 AM
Losing out on a FA does not necessarily mean you were "outworked."

Sure.

Losing out on all of them does.

bendog
07-28-2011, 09:22 AM
It's a rebuild. You can't rebuild with FAs. I would like them to get a serious 4-3 DT, however, just for self-respect. They need someone to tote the rock too, but paying some guy who's got miles on him on a mult year contract would come back on them.

I'm not with the Kyle's worth a two camp. Everyone in the league knows what the guy's upside is ... and they know his downside. Just getting a four or five is pretty cheap though. But den doesn't have much bargaining position.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/don_banks/07/27/quarterbacks/?sct=nfl_t12_a1

But, even though Den's in rebuild mode and needs more picks, rather than old FA's with multi-year contracts, having Orton as a security blanket for tebow, and possibly a couple of extra wins to keep the peasants from buning down Bowlen's castle, is probably worth more than a five pick.

BroncoInferno
07-28-2011, 09:22 AM
Ummm, there is a big difference between not signing every FA we want and not signing a single freaking FA at all in a year when the FA period is EXTREMELY truncated and there was literally a ton of talent available at positions of extreme need.

LOL Free agency is two days old and there are still quality players who are uncommitted.

Beantown Bronco
07-28-2011, 09:22 AM
An even worst issue is missing out on a quality DT due to Ortons cap number. Maybe that is what is holding up the Mebane signing. Maybe we can't move on him until we deal Orton.

$20 mil in cap room is plenty and teams can be over the cap as much as they want this week. They don't have to be under it yet.

Drunk Monkey
07-28-2011, 09:23 AM
did you actually read or hear that?

No I did not.

jhns
07-28-2011, 09:23 AM
We can still get Mebane and Ruud.

Beantown Bronco
07-28-2011, 09:23 AM
LOL Free agency is two days old.

This is NOT a normal FA period. Guys aren't being flown around, wined and dined like a normal year. All the good ones will be signed in less than a week.

Rabb
07-28-2011, 09:24 AM
No I did not.

I wasn't being a dick btw, I was really wondering if that was the case

Drunk Monkey
07-28-2011, 09:25 AM
$20 mil in cap room is plenty and teams can be over the cap as much as they want this week. They don't have to be under it yet.

Thanks for the clarification. I was not sure if the Cap was a static number or not.

BroncoInferno
07-28-2011, 09:25 AM
Sure.

Losing out on all of them does.

We haven't lost out on all of them. Yet. Even if we do, it might not have anything to do with how hard we worked. Take Mebane, for instance. We could conceivably offer him the most money, but maybe he gives Seattle the hometown discount. There's nothing that can be done about things like that.

Beantown Bronco
07-28-2011, 09:26 AM
there are still quality players who are uncommitted.

Name them and then provide any shred of evidence that we're even pretending to talk to them. Mebane appears to be the only one and that would still leave us short at DT. And what about every other position on the field? Crickets.

CEH
07-28-2011, 09:26 AM
Does anyone outbid Synder? I think Denver has a finanical disadvantage when comapring FA signing with Washington. Atleast we don't have John Beck as our starting QB.

Elway said this team is in footbal rehad so I'm OK with not overpaying for average DTs. Now if we can get Cullen Jenkins that sounds like where they are going right now

Drunk Monkey
07-28-2011, 09:26 AM
I wasn't being a dick btw, I was really wondering if that was the case

no prob, I didn't take it that way.

Ain't trying to get all HAM and **** player

Rabb
07-28-2011, 09:27 AM
Jenkins is going to the Skins...sooooo

BroncoInferno
07-28-2011, 09:27 AM
This is NOT a normal FA period. Guys aren't being flown around, wined and dined like a normal year. All the good ones will be signed in less than a week.

If we haven't signed anyone of note in a few days, get back with me. Right now, it's just the usual FA panicking that goes on if we don't sign someone 5 hours into the process.

TheReverend
07-28-2011, 09:27 AM
Does anyone outbid Synder? I think Denver has a finanical disadvantage when comapring FA signing with Washington. Atleast we don't have John Beck as our starting QB.

Elway said this team is in footbal rehad so I'm OK with not overpaying for average DTs. Now if we can get Cullen Jenkins that sounds like where they are going right now

Cofields contract was ridiculously reasonable. If that was being "outbid" then we might as well close up shop during FA.

OrangeSe7en
07-28-2011, 09:28 AM
Possibly, yeah.

They're certainly being outworked on:

Cofield
Jenkins (at current last word)
and literally every other FA they've shown interest in so far.

But we made a sweet trade with Gaffney, huh?

I hate to bring it up but you cant lose sight of the possibility that it's more Pat not wanting to spend money than Elway being worked.

TheReverend
07-28-2011, 09:29 AM
I hate to bring it up but you cant lose sight of the possibility that it's more Pat not wanting to spend money than Elway being worked.

Would consider it... but there's now a clause where we HAVE to spend the money.

mkporter
07-28-2011, 09:31 AM
If we haven't signed anyone of note in a few days, get back with me. Right now, it's just the usual FA panicking that goes on if we don't sign someone 5 hours into the process.

+1

Mediator12
07-28-2011, 09:34 AM
If we haven't signed anyone of note in a few days, get back with me. Right now, it's just the usual FA panicking that goes on if we don't sign someone 5 hours into the process.

Usually, I would agree. However, this is the Wild, Wild West of No offseason Free agency. Camp has already begun and we are still trying to sign enough DT's to even run camp! We do not even have enough camp bodies!

Hercules Rockefeller
07-28-2011, 09:40 AM
Possibly, yeah.

They're certainly being outworked on:

Cofield
Jenkins (at current last word)
and literally every other FA they've shown interest in so far.

But we made a sweet trade with Gaffney, huh?

And again, bull****. Not giving a guy away is not being outworked as much as you and others want a reason to bitch.

And what does outworked even mean here? They're not backing up a Brinks truck and giving some of these guys a blank check? This isn't a normal FA period where these guys are wined and dined. You make an offer, and if it's accepted, it's accepted.

Hercules Rockefeller
07-28-2011, 09:42 AM
Ummm, there is a big difference between not signing every FA we want and not signing a single freaking FA at all in a year when the FA period is EXTREMELY truncated and there was literally a ton of talent available at positions of extreme need.

DL and D. Williams aside, who have they gone after that's anything more than a role player at best? They've attempted to address the 2 areas the arm chair GMs on this board have been screaming to address since the season ended.

TheReverend
07-28-2011, 09:43 AM
And again, bull****. Not giving a guy away is not being outworked as much as you and others want a reason to b****.

And what does outworked even mean here? They're not backing up a Brinks truck and giving some of these guys a blank check? This isn't a normal FA period where these guys are wined and dined. You make an offer, and if it's accepted, it's accepted.

Once again, Cofield signed 6 years, 36 million and only around 12 guaranteed. That's not "backing up a Brinks truck". **** I'm not even sure that's "paying market value".

You're right it's not a normal FA period. It's a hectic FA period where the guys that can put the work in and be efficient win. Period.

CEH
07-28-2011, 09:46 AM
Cofields contract was ridiculously reasonable. If that was being "outbid" then we might as well close up shop during FA.

And we see Washington jump into FA like this every year and where does that get them. Using Washinton as an example of how you should be going about FA is not a model I would follow.

Beantown Bronco
07-28-2011, 09:48 AM
DL and D. Williams aside, who have they gone after that's anything more than a role player at best?

Weird. You seem to be making my point for me.

They've attempted to address the 2 areas the arm chair GMs on this board have been screaming to address since the season ended.

By lowballing two guys and not even getting into the bidding for a few others, you feel that that's adequately attempting to address two major areas of need? I guess we just have different opinions on that.

BroncoInferno
07-28-2011, 09:48 AM
Name them and then provide any shred of evidence that we're even pretending to talk to them. Mebane appears to be the only one and that would still leave us short at DT. And what about every other position on the field? Crickets.

If you were expecting us to sign a ton of people, you are probably going to be disappointed. The only big splash I expected us to make was at DT. If we miss out on Mebane, I will be unhappy like everyone else. Other than that, I think we will look at a CB or two, perhaps Rashard Marshall who Fox coached in Carolina. We drafted LBs and safeties high in the draft, so I don't see us making a move there. We are basically set with the starters at DE, though we need a depth guy or two. On offense, the OL is basically set (for the season at least), WR is set, we may bring in Delhomme at QB if Orton is traded...otherwise we are set there for now. We aren't getting a big name RB, which I think is good because teams find quality cost-effective production at the position every year. It'll probably be Moreno and someone like McGahee. Not ideal, but you can't expect a team with our needs to hit everything in one year. At TE, we drafted a couple of guys, but we certainly need a vet to help out. Miller and Lewis are available, but I don't we will sink a lot of money into that position and give the youngsters a chance to develop. In any case, what exactly were you expecting? A frenzy? If we sign Mebane and Marshall, that was pretty much all I was expecting in the way of big names. The rest of our FA signing will be depth guys. That was my anticipation all along. If you expected more, I'm not sure why. Elway has said all along he plans to build through the draft. This thing is a two or three year project. We aren't going to throw around money for short-term fixes.

TheReverend
07-28-2011, 09:48 AM
And we see Washington jump into FA like this every year and where does that get them. Using Washinton as an example of how you should be going about FA is not a model I would follow.

That might hold water if it wasn't all of our targets they were signing...

Rabb
07-28-2011, 09:50 AM
If you were expecting us to sign a ton of people, you are probably going to be disappointed. The only big splash I expected us to make was at DT. If we miss out on Mebane, I will be unhappy like everyone else. Other than that, I think we will look at a CB or two, perhaps Rashard Marshall who Fox coached in Carolina. We drafted LBs and safeties high in the draft, so I don't see us making a move there. We are basically set with the starters at DE, though we need a depth guy or two. On offense, the OL is basically set (for the season at least), WR is set, we may bring in Delhomme at QB if Orton is traded...otherwise we are set there for now. We aren't getting a big name RB, which I think is good because teams find quality cost-effective production at the position every year. It'll probably be Moreno and someone like McGahee. Not ideal, but you can't expect a team with our needs to hit everything in one year. At TE, we drafted a couple of guy, but we certainly need a vet to help out. Miller and Lewis are available, but I don't we sink a lot of money into that position and give the youngsters a chance to develop. In any case, what exactly were you expecting? A frenzy? If we sign Mebane and Marshall, that was pretty much all I was expecting in the way of big names. The rest of our FA signing will be depth guys. That was my anticipation all along. If you expected more, I'm not sure why. Elway has said all along he plans to build through the draft. This thing is a two or three year project. We aren't going to through around money for short-term fixes.

while I don't disagree....I am concerned at this point that we will even have enough DT to field a team this year

because, we don't right now and camp started today

Hercules Rockefeller
07-28-2011, 09:51 AM
Weird. You seem to be making my point for me.


By lowballing two guys and not even getting into the bidding for a few others, you feel that that's adequately attempting to address two major areas of need? I guess we just have different opinions on that.

That's not making your point for you at all when you were making a point that they haven't singned any FA, period. They've attempted to address the areas that everyone here has bitched about for months.

You don't even know what they offered, so don't sit and here and claim the Broncos lowballed anyone. I think you're smart enough to realize that the players have a choice on where they sign and it's not always about money. Until it becomes public what the Broncos offered anyone, you have no basis to claim anyone was lowballed.

TheReverend
07-28-2011, 09:53 AM
That's not making your point for you at all when you were making a point that they haven't singned any FA, period. They've attempted to address the areas that everyone here has b****ed about for months.

You don't even know what they offered, so don't sit and here and claim the Broncos lowballed anyone. I think you're smart enough to realize that the players have a choice on where they sign and it's not always about money. Until it becomes public what the Broncos offered anyone, you have no basis to claim anyone was lowballed.

So if you're saying we were neither outbid, nor outworked, then what exactly would you attribute it to each time a FA target signs elsewhere?

I'm excited for your answer.

vancejohnson82
07-28-2011, 09:53 AM
if we net the 3rd for Orton, pick up Mebane and Dellhome I'm pretty happy with the "frenzy" outcome

am I the only one that would be interested in M. Barber as well?

vancejohnson82
07-28-2011, 09:54 AM
So if you're saying we were neither outbid, nor outworked, then what exactly would you attribute it to each time a FA target signs elsewhere?

I'm excited for your answer.

not many guys want to sign onto a team going through massive upheaval and rebuilding....that would be my guess

TonyR
07-28-2011, 09:56 AM
You don't even know what they offered, so don't sit and here and claim the Broncos lowballed anyone. I think you're smart enough to realize that the players have a choice on where they sign and it's not always about money. Until it becomes public what the Broncos offered anyone, you have no basis to claim anyone was lowballed.

Exactly. For all we know the Broncos offered same/similar money but the players chose to go elsewhere for various different reasons.

Beantown Bronco
07-28-2011, 09:57 AM
If you were expecting us to sign a ton of people, you are probably going to be disappointed. The only big splash I expected us to make was at DT. If we miss out on Mebane, I will be unhappy like everyone else.

We have one quasi-starter at DT right now. Even if they sign Mebane, they still need at least one or two more guys who can step in and play the position.

On offense, the OL is basically set (for the season at least),

Franklin cannot start for this team from day one. We need to figure out the right tackle position. And the interior of our line was literally ranked #32 according to at least one publication last year. We'd better hope the second year guys make a huge jump this year if we're not looking to FA at all there.

WR is set

It was with Gaff on the roster. I'm not sold on this current crop based on what we've seen so far.

In any case, what exactly were you expecting? A frenzy? If we sign Mebane and Marshall, that was pretty much all I was expecting in the way of big names. The rest of our FA signing will be depth guys. That was my anticipation all along. If you expected more, I'm not sure why. Elway has said all along he plans to build through the draft. This thing is a two or three year project. We aren't going to throw around money for short-term fixes.

I couldn't be more clear in my posts. Frenzy? Nope. But how about a few starters where we currently don't have any proven ones?

TheReverend
07-28-2011, 10:00 AM
not many guys want to sign onto a team going through massive upheaval and rebuilding....that would be my guess

If that's the deciding factor for ALL of them, then yes, we're doing something wrong outside of last year's record.

Beantown Bronco
07-28-2011, 10:01 AM
You don't even know what they offered, so don't sit and here and claim the Broncos lowballed anyone.

It's common sense that if a guy enters free agency and doesn't take a hometown discount or go to the SB favorite, then he most likely went to the highest bidder.

I think you're smart enough to realize that the players have a choice on where they sign and it's not always about money. Until it becomes public what the Broncos offered anyone, you have no basis to claim anyone was lowballed.

Has anyone so far signed a low hometown discount deal yet, that we were targeting?

vancejohnson82
07-28-2011, 10:03 AM
If that's the deciding factor for ALL of them, then yes, we're doing something wrong outside of last year's record.

I'm just guessing....then again, a lot of these guys only care about the green bills with dead presidents on them

Honestly, we follow the team closer than your average fan....and we know very little about what kind of schemes we are throwing out there next year and what kind of a team we are going to be

I can't imagine NFL players from other teams knowing ANYTHING about our franchise right now....they just saw the record and know we have Tebow. We've lost that appeal we used to have for a lot of free agents, in my opinion.

TheReverend
07-28-2011, 10:03 AM
LaCanfora saying right now we're financially "tight"