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phibacka31
07-26-2011, 04:33 PM
Me when the trade gets finished:

<iframe width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/mYhL6TSgUvE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

LOL:notworthy

Carmelo15
07-26-2011, 04:43 PM
Rev your video just overtook this thread. LMAO!

Smiling Assassin27
07-26-2011, 04:45 PM
Me when the trade gets finished:

<iframe width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/mYhL6TSgUvE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


Oh hell no. I did not just see that. Gotta wonder about the Skittles folks even cranking that one out in the first place, let alone thinking anyone would even air it..:spit:

TheReverend
07-26-2011, 04:46 PM
Probably was done by some independent comedy team and not related to Skittles at all, btw

NUB
07-26-2011, 04:48 PM
Maybe these faux commercials will be socially acceptable in a few years.

<iframe width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/eEHxJOxa5ew" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

epicSocialism4tw
07-26-2011, 04:53 PM
Maybe these faux commercials will be socially acceptable in a few years.

<iframe width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/eEHxJOxa5ew" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I hope not.

Pedophilia isn't really all that funny.

snowspot66
07-26-2011, 05:04 PM
I hope not.

Pedophilia isn't really all that funny.

Ok......she looks closer to thirty than 17.

epicSocialism4tw
07-26-2011, 05:06 PM
Ok......she looks closer to thirty than 17.

Thats why they cast her with a bunch of teenagers.

That ain't a college classroom either.

Lestat
07-26-2011, 05:10 PM
Me when the trade gets finished:

<iframe width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/mYhL6TSgUvE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
http://www.411mania.com/siteimages/ronsimmons_29171.jpg

snowspot66
07-26-2011, 05:19 PM
Thats why they cast her with a bunch of teenagers.

That ain't a college classroom either.

I'd bet none of them are teenagers. It looks like a crappy college project to me.

epicSocialism4tw
07-26-2011, 05:21 PM
I'd bet none of them are teenagers. It looks like a crappy college project to me.

What on earth are you trying to argue here?

snowspot66
07-26-2011, 05:30 PM
What on earth are you trying to argue here?

Just commenting on your comment. I just don't see what you see. No argument.

epicSocialism4tw
07-26-2011, 05:34 PM
Just commenting on your comment. I just don't see what you see. No argument.

You're arguing that there was not a hint of pedophilia in that commercial.

Archer81
07-26-2011, 05:39 PM
You're arguing that there was not a hint of pedophilia in that commercial.


Not really. She hit on him to get an A. Clearly she has a future in politics.


:Broncos:

Agamemnon
07-26-2011, 05:39 PM
You're arguing that there was not a hint of pedophilia in that commercial.

You do realize that pedophilia is technically sex with prepubescent children right? Sex with teenagers is not pedophilia so much as just slimy and illegal (though statutory rape is very different from the charge of child molestation).

UberBroncoMan
07-26-2011, 05:40 PM
From Orton, to Skittle Jizz, to Pedophilia.

Welcome to the Orange Mane.

epicSocialism4tw
07-26-2011, 05:41 PM
Not really. She hit on him to get an A. Clearly she has a future in politics.

:Broncos:

That may be true, but there is certainly pedophilia in that commmercial.

epicSocialism4tw
07-26-2011, 05:42 PM
You do realize that pedophilia is technically sex with prepubescent children right? Sex with teenagers is not pedophilia so much as just slimy and illegal (though statutory rape is very different from the charge of child molestation).

There were some pretty young girls in that group.

snowspot66
07-26-2011, 05:42 PM
From Orton, to Skittle Jizz, to Pedophilia.

Welcome to the Orange Mane.

Well if they would just trade Orton already we could get back on topic.

Archer81
07-26-2011, 05:44 PM
There were some pretty young girls in that group.


None of which were engaged in the act or present for it. Lighten up man, its a slightly gross spoof commercial. (Sorry...nut is gross. It just is...)


:Broncos:

Archer81
07-26-2011, 05:46 PM
Well if they would just trade Orton already we could get back on topic.


And quit discussing skittle jizz?

Pshaw, I say.

:Broncos:

DHallblows
07-26-2011, 05:47 PM
Yeaaaaah...no pedophilia in the commercial

Killericon
07-26-2011, 05:52 PM
http://cdn.head-fi.org/8/86/86388a3d_Pedo+bear.png

Pedo Bear says "The lockout's finally over, so everyone shut up about that ****ing ad and talk some football! Good god!"

Lev Vyvanse
07-26-2011, 05:54 PM
Klis is in the thread title so I thought I would put this here:
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2011/07/26/charles-johnson-deal-means-broncos-have-money/8137/
This ****ing guys job is to cover the Broncos and he doesn't know ****. I'm surprised he didn't bring up dead money again.

24champ
07-26-2011, 06:05 PM
Me when the trade gets finished:

<iframe width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/mYhL6TSgUvE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Holy crap. ROFL!

Lev Vyvanse
07-26-2011, 08:17 PM
Seriously, I think this guy has **** for brains:
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2011/07/26/broncos-pushing-to-re-sign-marcus-thomas/8143/

NUB
07-26-2011, 08:36 PM
There were some pretty young girls in that group.

Actually they're undergrad and graduate students.

Also, 17 is the age of consent in Texas (your state). Do any of them look under 17?

Also, pedophilia is sexual attraction for prepubescent kids. Do any of them look around or under 13?

Also, if we mathematically attribute your idea of a prepubescent child to an adult, a teenager to you would appear about 35 to the rest of us.

This makes you either in need of glasses or a moron staggeringly out of touch with the dictionary, or both.

The Moops
07-26-2011, 08:48 PM
Orton would look good on Shanny's Redskins ... and would start!

haha, can we get Orakpo for him:) ?

Shananahan
07-26-2011, 08:57 PM
Seriously, I think this guy has **** for brains:
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2011/07/26/broncos-pushing-to-re-sign-marcus-thomas/8143/
The writer, or Thomas?

I could understand why Thomas might want to try his luck elsewhere, and why he might want to get the biggest contract he can, etc. I can't hold that against him at all. If he wants to start, however, he'll have a hard time finding as simple a path to that as in Denver.

NUB
07-26-2011, 09:06 PM
I forgot Tim Crowder even existed.

DivineBronco
07-26-2011, 09:08 PM
Actually they're undergrad and graduate students.

Also, 17 is the age of consent in Texas (your state). Do any of them look under 17?

Also, pedophilia is sexual attraction for prepubescent kids. Do any of them look around or under 13?

Also, if we mathematically attribute your idea of a prepubescent child to an adult, a teenager to you would appear about 35 to the rest of us.

This makes you either in need of glasses or a moron staggeringly out of touch with the dictionary, or both.

you are right but he is long gone now and will pretend none of this ever happend

Lev Vyvanse
07-26-2011, 09:08 PM
The writer, or Thomas?

I could understand why Thomas might want to try his luck elsewhere, and why he might want to get the biggest contract he can, etc. I can't hold that against him at all. If he wants to start, however, he'll have a hard time finding as simple a path to that as in Denver.

The writer. "If we sign Thomas, we don't have to overpay a DT"

epicSocialism4tw
07-26-2011, 09:28 PM
The writer, or Thomas?

I could understand why Thomas might want to try his luck elsewhere, and why he might want to get the biggest contract he can, etc. I can't hold that against him at all. If he wants to start, however, he'll have a hard time finding as simple a path to that as in Denver.

Ain't that the truth.

Its a mark against Thomas that he hasn't already established himself as that here.

Agamemnon
07-26-2011, 09:30 PM
The writer. "If we sign Thomas, we don't have to overpay a DT"

Yeah the guy is pretty clueless. Marcus Thomas has never shown himself to be anything other than a depth player.

DBroncos4life
07-26-2011, 09:34 PM
you are right but he is long gone now and will pretend none of this ever happend

What I learned from his is it's not OK to think about something sexual around kids that look young.

eddie mac
07-26-2011, 09:37 PM
Thomas and Vickerson starting in the middle. That wouldn't be my idea of even a half decent DT combo.

epicSocialism4tw
07-26-2011, 09:37 PM
What I learned from his is it's not OK to think about something sexual around kids that look young.

Goodness. Hopefully your generation matures like most before it.

They aren't marketing Pop Rocks to college kids by depicting high-school-to-junior-high aged kids having oral sex with their teachers.

Those are aimed at minors.

You guys should actually think about the things you watch.

epicSocialism4tw
07-26-2011, 09:38 PM
Thomas and Vickerson starting in the middle. That wouldn't be my idea of even a half decent DT combo.

It was unbelievable (unbelievably bad) last season.

snowspot66
07-26-2011, 09:42 PM
Goodness. Hopefully your generation matures like most before it.

They aren't marketing Pop Rocks to college kids by depicting high-school-to-junior-high aged kids having oral sex with their teachers.

Those are aimed at minors.

You guys should actually think about the things you watch.

....They aren't marketing anything. It's not aimed at minors. It's a joke.

Lev Vyvanse
07-26-2011, 09:44 PM
It was unbelievable (unbelievably bad) last season.

Thomas wasn't even a starter last year.

Agamemnon
07-26-2011, 09:46 PM
Thomas wasn't even a starter last year.

And Vickerson was at DE...

epicSocialism4tw
07-26-2011, 09:49 PM
....They aren't marketing anything. It's not aimed at minors. It's a joke.

It is viral marketing.

Whenever you see something labeled "banned commercial", it is strategic ad placement to go outside of the bounds of FCC regulations. It is used to reach the same demographic that frequent youtube and watch material labeled "NSFW". Those are strategically placed. You guys have just taken the bait and passed it around.

Ha ha! A fellow sophomore giving your teacher oral sex for an A on a paper is soooooooooooo funny! ::) Yikes.

Sometimes I think that this generation is hopeless. Not only are they easily cajoled by such offensive and ignorant things, but they don't have the wit to even discern what they are looking at.

epicSocialism4tw
07-26-2011, 09:50 PM
Thomas wasn't even a starter last year.

I know, I was just making a general reference.

What's even worse is that neither Thomas or Vickerson established themselves as the starter at any point in the season.

snowspot66
07-26-2011, 10:06 PM
It is viral marketing.

Whenever you see something labeled "banned commercial", it is strategic ad placement to go outside of the bounds of FCC regulations. It is used to reach the same demographic that frequent youtube and watch material labeled "NSFW". Those are strategically placed. You guys have just taken the bait and passed it around.

Ha ha! A fellow sophomore giving your teacher oral sex for an A on a paper is soooooooooooo funny! ::) Yikes.

Sometimes I think that this generation is hopeless. Not only are they easily cajoled by such offensive and ignorant things, but they don't have the wit to even discern what they are looking at.

Uhuh...I'm sure you have years of training and experience dealing with marketing?

It's a joke. A poorly filmed one at that. You're reaching badly on this one.

Dagmar
07-26-2011, 10:11 PM
So, no trade yet then...

epicSocialism4tw
07-26-2011, 10:17 PM
Uhuh...I'm sure you have years of training and experience dealing with marketing?

It's a joke. A poorly filmed one at that. You're reaching badly on this one.

Advertising, like everything else, has long-since been knocking around the net.


http://www.oneclub.org/#pane=awards~url=/theoneshow/osi/

DHallblows
07-26-2011, 10:22 PM
Viral marketing is done by the actual company. That video was clearly made by students (and NO, I mean college students you fool) and put online. Maybe one out of the 6 people in that video was a sophomore in college (so at least 19)

Christ. Much ado about nothing...

Agamemnon
07-26-2011, 10:25 PM
Viral marketing is done by the actual company. That video was clearly made by students (and NO, I mean college students you fool) and put online. Maybe one out of the 6 people in that video was a sophomore in college (so at least 19)

Christ. Much ado about nothing...

The Skittles commercial is much more likely example of viral marketing seeing as it was clearly professionally produced and at the same time obviously had no chance of getting on television.

serious hops
07-26-2011, 10:27 PM
Thomas and Vickerson starting in the middle. That wouldn't be my idea of even a half decent DT combo.

Hey, come on. Those guys were both significant contributors to last year's God-awful abortion of a defense.

U hhhh. . .

Well, nevermind that. I'm sure it was just bad coaching. No doubt those guys will light it up in the new scheme.


Somebody wake me up if we trade Orton for more than a ham sammich.

epicSocialism4tw
07-26-2011, 10:29 PM
Hey, come on. Those guys were both significant contributors to last year's God-awful abortion of a defense.

U hhhh. . .

Well, nevermind that. I'm sure it was just bad coaching. No doubt those guys will light it up in the new scheme.


Somebody wake me up if we trade Orton for more than a ham sammich.

It would be more of the same.

baja
07-26-2011, 11:17 PM
Today is over what did we get for Orton?

Dedhed
07-26-2011, 11:19 PM
And Vickerson was at DE...

and we were running a scheme which didn't suit Thomas at all...

jhns
07-27-2011, 07:10 AM
Come on Elway. You can get this done!

Dagmar
07-27-2011, 08:06 AM
I'm concerned now. Dolphins are interested in Palmer and VY, if Kolb goes to AZ, then Miami is the only place Orton can go.

If we **** this up... Orton hasn't even reported though, surely he's for the off?

diehardbroncosfan
07-27-2011, 08:11 AM
I'm concerned now. Dolphins are interested in Palmer and VY, if Kolb goes to AZ, then Miami is the only place Orton can go.

If we **** this up... Orton hasn't even reported though, surely he's for the off?

Seriously, why is he still on the roster? Take what you can get for him, whether it's a third, a fourth, or whatever. He does no good for the team this year and will just bring more controversy to a fanbase that doesn't need it. Take what you can, as there is no way we'd resign him next year anyway. Just get it done!

TheReverend
07-27-2011, 08:13 AM
I'm concerned now. Dolphins are interested in Palmer and VY, if Kolb goes to AZ, then Miami is the only place Orton can go.

If we **** this up... Orton hasn't even reported though, surely he's for the off?

Yeah, there's good reason to be concerned. He's NEVER been remotely as good as people cracked him up to be. According to some of the posters around here, we should be expecting another 2 firsts deal... :nono:

Beantown Bronco
07-27-2011, 08:14 AM
I'm concerned now. Dolphins are interested in Palmer and VY, if Kolb goes to AZ, then Miami is the only place Orton can go.

If we **** this up... Orton hasn't even reported though, surely he's for the off?

Seriously, why is he still on the roster? Take what you can get for him, whether it's a third, a fourth, or whatever. He does no good for the team this year and will just bring more controversy to a fanbase that doesn't need it. Take what you can, as there is no way we'd resign him next year anyway. Just get it done!

Wow. So neither of you guys think a starting QB anywhere will go down with a significant injury in the next 6 weeks or so? NFL history is not on your side there.

Patience. Patience. You gain NOTHING by rushing this process. Someone will lose their starter in the preseason and will be desperate for a guy who can step right in and play. It's not like the 2012 draft is tomorrow and we need that pick in our hands today.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
07-27-2011, 08:16 AM
Wow. So neither of you guys think a starting QB anywhere will go down with a significant injury in the next 6 weeks or so? NFL history is not on your side there.

Patience. Patience. You gain NOTHING by rushing this process. Someone will lose their starter in the preseason and will be desperate for a guy who can step right in and play. It's not like the 2012 draft is tomorrow and we need that pick in our hands today.

While I agree with your logic, I also see some value in moving forward, which I don't think we can do with Orton still on the roster.

TheReverend
07-27-2011, 08:17 AM
Wow. So neither of you guys think a starting QB anywhere will go down with a significant injury in the next 6 weeks or so? NFL history is not on your side there.

Patience. Patience. You gain NOTHING by rushing this process. Someone will lose their starter in the preseason and will be desperate for a guy who can step right in and play. It's not like the 2012 draft is tomorrow and we need that pick in our hands today.

What? NFL history is ON their side! Right? I don't remember starting QBs going down with ANY regularity in camps and pre-season.

Rabb
07-27-2011, 08:20 AM
While I agree with your logic, I also see some value in moving forward, which I don't think we can do with Orton still on the roster.

I agree with this 100%

Whether they start Tebow because they think he deserves a shot, or because he really beats Orton out in camp...Orton on the bench here would be a ticking time bomb that we don't need.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
07-27-2011, 08:27 AM
I agree with this 100%

Whether they start Tebow because they think he deserves a shot, or because he really beats Orton out in camp...Orton on the bench here would be a ticking time bomb that we don't need.

I don't even think he's a ticking time bomb. I just think it's a distraction that we don't need along the lines of the Plummer/Cutler situation. Divided locker room, divided fanbase... Just not a lot of fun for something that SHOULD BE a lot of fun.

I like Orton, obviously, and I think he's going to move on and do well elsewhere. I like Tebow, and sincerely hope he's everything some folks here and elsewhere say he is. I'm just ready for the drama to end and to move forward as a team and fanbase together instead of this fragmented bull**** we've been dealing with since Shanahan was let go in early '09.

JMO.

TheReverend
07-27-2011, 08:33 AM
I don't even think he's a ticking time bomb. I just think it's a distraction that we don't need along the lines of the Plummer/Cutler situation. Divided locker room, divided fanbase... Just not a lot of fun for something that SHOULD BE a lot of fun.

I like Orton, obviously, and I think he's going to move on and do well elsewhere. I like Tebow, and sincerely hope he's everything some folks here and elsewhere say he is. I'm just ready for the drama to end and to move forward as a team and fanbase together instead of this fragmented bull**** we've been dealing with since Shanahan was let go in early '09.

JMO.

...well... divided locker room maybe. :wiggle:

alkemical
07-27-2011, 08:35 AM
Bronco Militia has stated before he thinks Denver will have to cut Orton. I'm starting to agree.

either that, or something LOW like a 6th rounder.

alkemical
07-27-2011, 08:35 AM
Bronco Militia has stated before he thinks Denver will have to cut Orton. I'm starting to agree.

either that, or something LOW like a 6th rounder.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
07-27-2011, 08:35 AM
Bronco Militia has stated before he thinks Denver will have to cut Orton. I'm starting to agree.

either that, or something LOW like a 6th rounder.

If that were really the case, I don't think seven teams would have been in talks to acquire him via trade.

alkemical
07-27-2011, 08:36 AM
If that were really the case, I don't think seven teams would have been in talks to acquire him via trade.

I don't see him traded yet. If he were such a hot commodity, he'd be gone.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
07-27-2011, 08:38 AM
I don't see him traded yet. If he were such a hot commodity, he'd be gone.

Oh yeah? Is Kolb traded yet?

LRtagger
07-27-2011, 08:39 AM
I don't see him traded yet. If he were such a hot commodity, he'd be gone.

Kolb is a hot commodity and he is not yet traded.

Jay3
07-27-2011, 08:39 AM
I don't see him traded yet. If he were such a hot commodity, he'd be gone.

Yeah. Despite the whole world knowing he was available, teams just ran in the other direction.

Titans -- Hasselbeck
Vikings -- McNabb
Seattle -- Tarvaris
Arizona -- Ummm, how much did you say you wanted for Kolb again?

ChampBailey24
07-27-2011, 08:43 AM
just saw a tweet form vic lombaridi saying that miami offered a third but we want a second.

alkemical
07-27-2011, 08:43 AM
Oh yeah? Is Kolb traded yet?

Kolb is a hot commodity and he is not yet traded.

Actions over words Gents, actions over words.

Yeah. Despite the whole world knowing he was available, teams just ran in the other direction.

Titans -- Hasselbeck
Vikings -- McNabb
Seattle -- Tarvaris
Arizona -- Ummm, how much did you say you wanted for Kolb again?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
07-27-2011, 08:43 AM
Yeah. Despite the whole world knowing he was available, teams just ran in the other direction.

Titans -- Hasselbeck
Vikings -- McNabb
Seattle -- Tarvaris
Arizona -- Ummm, how much did you say you wanted for Kolb again?

Hasselbeck and McRibb are both ancient.

Tarvaris is young and unproven.

Seattle still looking at Leinart. He sucks balls.

The only guy with a wealth of starting experience, attractive age, attractive statistics, is Kyle Orton. Arizona is still interested. I would guess Miami and San Fran are in the mix as well (and I'm aware that San Fran re-signed A. Smith, but it was for one year, and Captain Small Hands has shown repeatedly that he's not to be trusted with an offense).

Bottom line: trades take a while to actually get hammered out. We've had one (1) day of trades/free agency, and there's been precisely ONE (1) trade of a QB, by a team that loves them some old QBs.

I think Orton will be traded for a 3rd/conditional 2nd by the weekend.

alkemical
07-27-2011, 08:44 AM
just saw a tweet form vic lombaridi saying that miami offered a third but we want a second.

This is (one reason) why I think we'll take less, or he'll be cut.

diehardbroncosfan
07-27-2011, 08:45 AM
just saw a tweet form vic lombaridi saying that miami offered a third but we want a second.

Take the third. We got Orton for a fifth. A third and the ability to start Tebow without controversy is worth one drop of a round.

alkemical
07-27-2011, 08:45 AM
Hasselbeck and McRibb are both ancient.

Tarvaris is young and unproven.

Seattle still looking at Leinart. He sucks balls.

The only guy with a wealth of starting experience, attractive age, attractive statistics, is Kyle Orton. Arizona is still interested. I would guess Miami and San Fran are in the mix as well (and I'm aware that San Fran re-signed A. Smith, but it was for one year, and Captain Small Hands has shown repeatedly that he's not to be trusted with an offense).

Bottom line: trades take a while to actually get hammered out. We've had one (1) day of trades/free agency, and there's been precisely ONE (1) trade of a QB, by a team that loves them some old QBs.

I think Orton will be traded for a 3rd/conditional 2nd by the weekend.

..And they were all "more attractive" than Orton.

4thrnd - cut is my call

TheElusiveKyleOrton
07-27-2011, 08:47 AM
..And they were all "more attractive" than Orton.

4thrnd - cut is my call

"more attractive" because they didn't have to give up anything to get any of them. It's not a reflection on Orton.

I'd take a third for him that moves up to a second with playing time and statistical incentives.

alkemical
07-27-2011, 08:50 AM
"more attractive" because they didn't have to give up anything to get any of them. It's not a reflection on Orton.

I'd take a third for him that moves up to a second with playing time and statistical incentives.

It's going to take a lower draft pick to unload that salary.

StugotsIII
07-27-2011, 08:50 AM
This is a game of chicken….


Denver just needs to dump him and save the cap space to go get DLine help. Enough pussy footing around.

Kaylore
07-27-2011, 08:52 AM
just saw a tweet form vic lombaridi saying that miami offered a third but we want a second.

I hope this isn't true. Take the third!

TheReverend
07-27-2011, 08:53 AM
I hope this isn't true. Take the third!

****ing this!

Tombstone RJ
07-27-2011, 08:55 AM
just saw a tweet form vic lombaridi saying that miami offered a third but we want a second.

I seriously doubt the Broncos said no to this...

DrFate
07-27-2011, 08:57 AM
just saw a tweet form vic lombaridi saying that miami offered a third but we want a second.

If true, this is a 'shoot yourself in the foot' kind of move - lots of QBs on the market right now - once everyone has a QB, Orton's value falls.

Rabb
07-27-2011, 08:59 AM
If true, this is a 'shoot yourself in the foot' kind of move - lots of QBs on the market right now - once everyone has a QB, Orton's value falls.

I don't know about that

to Bean's point...if Denver were to say "ok, have fun with VY Miami" and hang on to Orton through camp and until some other team eventually needs a QB when theirs gets hurt his value could go up

not saying that is what I want, but this isn't checkers...it's chess

TheReverend
07-27-2011, 09:02 AM
I don't know about that

to Bean's point...if Denver were to say "ok, have fun with VY Miami" and hang on to Orton through camp and until some other team eventually needs a QB when theirs gets hurt his value could go up

not saying that is what I want, but this isn't checkers...it's chess

How often does that happen? They wear a red ****ing jersey for a reason!

Seriously, how often does that happen? Hopefully Bean is pulling up some solid #s and examples because it WOULD raise his value ...but I can't think of anything legitimate.

Hercules Rockefeller
07-27-2011, 09:04 AM
This is a game of chickenů.


Denver just needs to dump him and save the cap space to go get DLine help. Enough p***Y footing around.

They've got $20M in space without trading Orton, they don't need to give the guy away at this point.

SonOfLe-loLang
07-27-2011, 09:06 AM
How often does that happen? They wear a red ****ing jersey for a reason!

Seriously, how often does that happen? Hopefully Bean is pulling up some solid #s and examples because it WOULD raise his value ...but I can't think of anything legitimate.

Seriously, why are people speaking like this is some inevitability

Beantown Bronco
07-27-2011, 09:06 AM
How often does that happen? They wear a red ****ing jersey for a reason!

Seriously, how often does that happen? Hopefully Bean is pulling up some solid #s and examples because it WOULD raise his value ...but I can't think of anything legitimate.

I guess it depends on the exact timeframe we're discussing. If we're limiting it to just camps and preseason, I could name a handful of starters that have gotten hurt in the last 5-10 years....granted not major injuries, but significant enough to possibly put a scare in teams. If we extend it out to the first few weeks of the regular season and not just camps/preseason, I could easily provide multiple names each year. And all we really need is one.

Rabb
07-27-2011, 09:09 AM
I am not advocating it Rev, pretty sure I put that in there...but I am saying, it's a valid point.

Calm down trigger, I am in the camp of getting him out of here sooner rather than later. And my post, and I assume Bean's as well, wasn't just saying through training camp or preseason.

If we went into this whole thing saying we have to trade him before camp, or bust without any other plan...then I would question our management.

SonOfLe-loLang
07-27-2011, 09:09 AM
I guess it depends on the exact timeframe we're discussing. If we're limiting it to just camps and preseason, I could name a handful of starters that have gotten hurt in the last 5-10 years....granted not major injuries, but significant enough to possibly put a scare in teams. If we extend it out to the first few weeks of the regular season and not just camps/preseason, I could easily provide multiple names each year. And all we really need is one.

Now, i could be mistaken here...but gimme a list of starting QB's traded midseason that went on to start for teams?

alkemical
07-27-2011, 09:10 AM
Orton for Haynesworth -

TheReverend
07-27-2011, 09:12 AM
I guess it depends on the exact timeframe we're discussing. If we're limiting it to just camps and preseason, I could name a handful of starters that have gotten hurt in the last 5-10 years....granted not major injuries, but significant enough to possibly put a scare in teams. If we extend it out to the first few weeks of the regular season and not just camps/preseason, I could easily provide multiple names each year. And all we really need is one.

Can you do that then?

Not trying to call you out, just would like to see some history of it because I'm drawing a blank and then we could even look at if it raised any available QBs value despite being WAY behind in the system or if they just ran with the backup because they were familiar with the playbook.

TheReverend
07-27-2011, 09:13 AM
I am not advocating it Rev, pretty sure I put that in there...but I am saying, it's a valid point.

Calm down trigger, I am in the camp of getting him out of here sooner rather than later. And my post, and I assume Bean's as well, wasn't just saying through training camp or preseason.

If we went into this whole thing saying we have to trade him before camp, or bust without any other plan...then I would question our management.

lol, I'm calm I'm asking a question that I genuinely want an answer to!

...and our camp starts today, so that wouldn't make any sense.

StugotsIII
07-27-2011, 09:22 AM
They've got $20M in space without trading Orton, they don't need to give the guy away at this point.

You want a viable defensive line?


Orton has to go.

ChampBailey24
07-27-2011, 09:22 AM
I seriously doubt the Broncos said no to this...

its just what vic lombardi said. just thought i would pass it on

Beantown Bronco
07-27-2011, 09:23 AM
Can you do that then?

Not trying to call you out, just would like to see some history of it because I'm drawing a blank

2008 was a big year:

Brady
Romo
Palmer
Hasselbeck

All went down in the first few weeks with significant injuries.

2003 was another with Pennington and Vick.

2010 preseason - Eli Manning's preseason injury when he got nailed in the head helmetless had the potential to take him down for a good part of the year. He did luck out that there was somehow no concussion, but that could've easily resulted in an emergency trade.

It also didn't look good for Matt Cassel in the preseason last year, which could've forced a move:

http://patsblog.projo.com/2009/08/injury-may-forc.html

Rabb
07-27-2011, 09:34 AM
I am probably still just emotionally scarred from watching Chris Simms trot in as a backup, then watching injured Orton have to go back in because Simms was that bad

bowtown
07-27-2011, 09:39 AM
I am probably still just emotionally scarred from watching Chris Simms trot in as a backup, then watching injured Orton have to go back in because Simms was that bad

You think you are scarred? Woody and BroncoBuff are still undergoing laser tat removal.

Tombstone RJ
07-27-2011, 09:41 AM
Orton for Haynesworth -

interesting...

SonOfLe-loLang
07-27-2011, 09:42 AM
2008 was a big year:

Brady
Romo
Palmer
Hasselbeck

All went down in the first few weeks with significant injuries.

2003 was another with Pennington and Vick.

2010 preseason - Eli Manning's preseason injury when he got nailed in the head helmetless had the potential to take him down for a good part of the year. He did luck out that there was somehow no concussion, but that could've easily resulted in an emergency trade.

It also didn't look good for Matt Cassel in the preseason last year, which could've forced a move:

http://patsblog.projo.com/2009/08/injury-may-forc.html

I cant recall. Did any of those 4 look outside the organization for help? I dont think it behooves us to have Orton sitting on the bench, causing possible dissention in the locker room, nor does it help Tebow to know he has to look over his shoulder. This is all just to improve one round in the draft?

thats insane. If you decided Orton isn't gonna be on the team anymore, then ONE ROUND shouldnt deter you

BroncoInferno
07-27-2011, 09:43 AM
We better not be passing on a 3rd damnit...

bendog
07-27-2011, 09:46 AM
Fat Albert eats way more than Kyle drinks.

EmpireOrange
07-27-2011, 09:48 AM
No we are getting a 3rd 2012 and a 4th 2013

WolfpackGuy
07-27-2011, 09:49 AM
We better not be passing on a 3rd damnit...

Especially when it'll be a high 3rd with Orton leading the show in MIA...

TheReverend
07-27-2011, 09:50 AM
2008 was a big year:

Brady
Romo
Palmer
Hasselbeck

All went down in the first few weeks with significant injuries.

2003 was another with Pennington and Vick.

2010 preseason - Eli Manning's preseason injury when he got nailed in the head helmetless had the potential to take him down for a good part of the year. He did luck out that there was somehow no concussion, but that could've easily resulted in an emergency trade.

It also didn't look good for Matt Cassel in the preseason last year, which could've forced a move:

http://patsblog.projo.com/2009/08/injury-may-forc.html

Okay, so what you're saying is that there are NO examples of a QB injury raising an external players value?

Lev Vyvanse
07-27-2011, 09:59 AM
Okay, so what you're saying is that there are NO examples of a QB injury raising an external players value?

Heres a lame example:
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2008-08-30/sports/dolphins30_1_mccown-beck-dolphins

Beantown Bronco
07-27-2011, 10:01 AM
Okay, so what you're saying is that there are NO examples of a QB injury raising an external players value?

How could one ever prove that? We'd never know if any of those teams made better offers to other teams for their QBs only to have that team say, "sorry, still not enough". Just like now. Maybe a team is offering a 4th for Orton today and we said no. Their starter goes down tomorrow and they offer a 3rd. We still say no. His value just went up but we could never prove that unless both teams came out and admitted it.

I'm just arguing straight logic. If a starter goes down, by definition it certainly can't HURT the value of other available QBs. If we don't like the offers we're getting today, then it's not the end of the world to wait a little while until maybe something happens to raise his value....like an injury or two. It's not like we HAVE to trade him today (and I do know full well there ARE positives to doing just that). That's all I'm saying.

Here's a good article from 2007 that alludes to just how much a guy's value could go up:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d80319a9e/article/injuries-taking-a-serious-toll-on-quarterback-position

TheReverend
07-27-2011, 10:06 AM
Heres a lame example:
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2008-08-30/sports/dolphins30_1_mccown-beck-dolphins

Well if the best we can do for a example is an injury to a backup QB "raising someone's value" to selection #237 in the 7th round, then I'm gonna have to file this "wait till someone gets hurt" plan in the "Myth" folder.

TheReverend
07-27-2011, 10:07 AM
How could one ever prove that? We'd never know if any of those teams made better offers to other teams for their QBs only to have that team say, "sorry, still not enough". Just like now. Maybe a team is offering a 4th for Orton today and we said no. Their starter goes down tomorrow and they offer a 3rd. We still say no. His value just went up but we could never prove that unless both teams came out and admitted it.

I'm just arguing straight logic. If a starter goes down, by definition it certainly can't HURT the value of other available QBs. If we don't like the offers we're getting today, then it's not the end of the world to wait a little while until maybe something happens to raise his value....like an injury or two. It's not like we HAVE to trade him today (and I do know full well there ARE positives to doing just that). That's all I'm saying.

Here's a good article from 2007 that alludes to just how much a guy's value could go up:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d80319a9e/article/injuries-taking-a-serious-toll-on-quarterback-position

How could one prove that?

We have decades worth of salary cap era NFL to use x 32 teams. If we can't find ANY concrete examples of it, then wtf would you propose moving forward with that approach?

Hoping lightning strikes?

SonOfLe-loLang
07-27-2011, 10:08 AM
How could one prove that?

We have decades worth of salary cap era NFL to use x 32 teams. If we can't find ANY concrete examples of it, then wtf would you propose moving forward with that approach?

Hoping lightning strikes?

I agree. Just friggin trade him, get the contract off the books, name Timmy the starter and be done with it.

MileHighMagic
07-27-2011, 10:09 AM
The Eagles high asking price is great news for us!!

Stagger Lee
07-27-2011, 10:10 AM
I agree. Just friggin trade him, get the contract off the books, name Timmy the starter and be done with it.

This.

Beantown Bronco
07-27-2011, 10:11 AM
We have decades worth of salary cap era NFL to use x 32 teams. If we can't find ANY concrete examples of it, then wtf would you propose moving forward with that approach?



I'm saying it would be impossible to find hard examples of one guy being worth a 4th rounder on August 1st and then traded for a 3rd rounder on September 1st. How would one do that without being a GM?

I can find dozens of examples of guys traded for draft picks, but how could I prove that they were worth less just days or weeks before due to outside factors (and not their own performance)?

Drunk Monkey
07-27-2011, 10:11 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/29337/the-kolb-orton-connection

Williamson is saying we want a 3rd. I wonder if we gave up on that 2nd we were going for. I could live with a 3rd.

EmpireOrange
07-27-2011, 10:12 AM
I agree. Just friggin trade him, get the contract off the books, name Timmy the starter and be done with it.

That's just dumb. A good trader always get max value. You don't trade just to trade. Ortone will be traded but on the Broncos' terms not anybody else's.

ColoradoDarin
07-27-2011, 10:14 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/29337/the-kolb-orton-connection

Williamson is saying we want a 3rd. I wonder if we gave up on that 2nd we were going for. I could live with a 3rd.

I would be ecstatic if we were able to rob a team of their 3rd round pick in exchange for taking $9 million off of our books, oh and Kyle Orton.

TheReverend
07-27-2011, 10:14 AM
I'm saying it would be impossible to find hard examples of one guy being worth a 4th rounder on August 1st and then traded for a 3rd rounder on September 1st. How would one do that without being a GM?

I can find dozens of examples of guys traded for draft picks, but how could I prove that they were worth less just days or weeks before due to outside factors (and not their own performance)?

Why not just start with finding an example of a QB traded midseason due to an injury and we can work from there?

Inkana7
07-27-2011, 10:15 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/29337/the-kolb-orton-connection

Williamson is saying we want a 3rd. I wonder if we gave up on that 2nd we were going for. I could live with a 3rd.

This is the juicy part:

UPDATE: The Orlando Sentinel is reporting Miami is talking to Orton about contract terms. He is a free agent after the season. This is all part of trade talks and it is a sure sign that teams are serious about Orton.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
07-27-2011, 10:16 AM
Report: Kyle Orton Negotiating Contract With Miami #Dolphins, Trade Likely? #Broncos http://sbn.to/q9qhEZ

phibacka31
07-27-2011, 10:17 AM
Report: Kyle Orton Negotiating Contract With Miami #Dolphins, Trade Likely? #Broncos http://sbn.to/q9qhEZ

Oh please be true!

Lev Vyvanse
07-27-2011, 10:17 AM
This is the juicy part:

UPDATE: The Orlando Sentinel is reporting Miami is talking to Orton about contract terms. He is a free agent after the season. This is all part of trade talks and it is a sure sign that teams are serious about Orton.

This sounds promising.

ColoradoDarin
07-27-2011, 10:17 AM
This is the juicy part:

UPDATE: The Orlando Sentinel is reporting Miami is talking to Orton about contract terms. He is a free agent after the season. This is all part of trade talks and it is a sure sign that teams are serious about Orton.

Like that, like that a LOT

TheReverend
07-27-2011, 10:18 AM
C'monnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

TheElusiveKyleOrton
07-27-2011, 10:22 AM
Man, I wonder what we'll get in return from Miami. A second would be nice, but I'd be happy with a 4th and a player...

And it would be hella fun to watch Orton and Marshall paired together again.

Drunk Monkey
07-27-2011, 10:23 AM
doooooooooooooooooooooooooooo it

That One Guy
07-27-2011, 10:25 AM
That's just dumb. A good trader always get max value. You don't trade just to trade. Ortone will be traded but on the Broncos' terms not anybody else's.

Getting Orton gone is a benefit to the Broncos. Taking him into training camp would be a negative. That has to be included in the value consideration.

Stagger Lee
07-27-2011, 10:26 AM
This is the juicy part:

UPDATE: The Orlando Sentinel is reporting Miami is talking to Orton about contract terms. He is a free agent after the season. This is all part of trade talks and it is a sure sign that teams are serious about Orton.

Make it happen Elway.

That One Guy
07-27-2011, 10:26 AM
Man, I wonder what we'll get in return from Miami. A second would be nice, but I'd be happy with a 4th and a player...

And it would be hella fun to watch Orton and Marshall paired together again.

If anyone is going to send a 2nd for a QB, it'd be Miami.

Probably wont happen but they love sending 2nds for QBs.

StugotsIII
07-27-2011, 10:27 AM
doooooooooooooooooooooooooooo it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoqDYcCDOTg

That One Guy
07-27-2011, 10:27 AM
Man, I wonder what we'll get in return from Miami. A second would be nice, but I'd be happy with a 4th and a player...

And it would be hella fun to watch Orton and Marshall paired together again.

Wow, I was thinking Marshall was already gone when Orton arrived. My past recollection of football is almost as bad as my general football knowledge.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
07-27-2011, 10:28 AM
<iframe width="560" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/JoqDYcCDOTg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

TheElusiveKyleOrton
07-27-2011, 10:31 AM
RT @KDVR: #Broncos Kyle #Orton has arrived at Dove Valley...still a Bronco for now.

EmpireOrange
07-27-2011, 10:34 AM
Getting Orton gone is a benefit to the Broncos. Taking him into training camp would be a negative. That has to be included in the value consideration.

That may be true, but you don't tell the world that's the case. Orton has value, you dont give him away. Besides this is about rebuilding for the future not this season, giving Orton away is worst than the awkwardness of bringing him into camp. To giving him away and get nothing in return is a freaking Hillis-for-Quinn type of move. This is a new day in Bronco land we don't make those moves anymore. We get value. Patients = spoils.

bendog
07-27-2011, 10:38 AM
With the shortened summer camp, I think time's important. Teams are going to want to get settled. Den's in rebuild mode with a young qb, so any pick is valuable. Orton's an ok qb, but the thought of two twos was unreasonable. If they get a 3, be happy.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
07-27-2011, 10:39 AM
RT @KDVR: #Broncos Kyle #Orton has arrived at Dove Valley...still a Bronco for now.

Wonder if he's just there to pick up his ****? Or did they all pack up before the lockout?

mkporter
07-27-2011, 10:42 AM
I'm gonna give X the benefit of the doubt on this one. He's done pretty well when we've traded some of our other players away. It seemed he generally beat expectations on the Marshall and Cutler trades. I will be pretty disappointed if we get less than a 3rd. I would also much rather have Miami's third than Arizona's.

TheReverend
07-27-2011, 10:42 AM
Wonder if he's just there to pick up his ****? Or did they all pack up before the lockout?

Hopefully to talk face to face with Elway and co about his potential landing spots.

mkporter
07-27-2011, 10:50 AM
Let's go Xanders, sweeten the deal!!

If the Dolphins pass on Orton the best available options would be free agents Marc Bulger, Brady Quinn and Matt Moore, and Vince Young, who will likely be released by Tennessee on Thursday because of a $4.25 million roster bonus he's due.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/football/dolphins/fl-miami-dolphins-kyle-orton-0728,0,6707902.story

TheElusiveKyleOrton
07-27-2011, 10:53 AM
Let's go Xanders, sweeten the deal!!



http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/football/dolphins/fl-miami-dolphins-kyle-orton-0728,0,6707902.story

What we learned today, children, is that everyone has value. Even pieces of ****.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
07-27-2011, 10:54 AM
RT @JasonLaCanfora: People I'm talking to believe Kolb to Cards cud be done within 48hrs. And I hear Orton to MIA very real possibility too

OrangeSe7en
07-27-2011, 10:59 AM
With the shortened summer camp, I think time's important. Teams are going to want to get settled. Den's in rebuild mode with a young qb, so any pick is valuable. Orton's an ok qb, but the thought of two twos was unreasonable. If they get a 3, be happy.

No, a 2nd for a starting NFL QB is quite reasonable. Orton is only 29 or so, so he should have a lot of years left. Plus there is the added benefit of Orton having learned two different offenses fairly quickly.

DomCasual
07-27-2011, 11:05 AM
Broncos Radio Network (http://www.facebook.com/broncosradio): "Report out of Miami says the Dolphins and Kyle Orton are talking contract. Jason LaCanfora says the deal could happen today. Orton has reported to Dove Valley."

DomCasual
07-27-2011, 11:06 AM
Broncos Radio Network (http://www.facebook.com/broncosradio): "Report out of Miami says the Dolphins and Kyle Orton are talking contract. Jason LaCanfora says the deal could happen today. Orton has reported to Dove Valley."

Never mind. I can see this is so sixty minutes ago!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
07-27-2011, 11:09 AM
RT @MichelleBeisner: My sources telling me that the #Broncos and #Dolphins are in serious trade talks - could happen within next 6 hours.

So. Safe to fap?

ICON
07-27-2011, 11:16 AM
RT @MichelleBeisner: My sources telling me that the #Broncos and #Dolphins are in serious trade talks - could happen within next 6 hours.

So. Safe to fap?http://legacy-cdn.smosh.com/smosh-pit/062011/fap-now-robo.gif

TonyR
07-27-2011, 11:22 AM
No, a 2nd for a starting NFL QB is quite reasonable. Orton is only 29 or so, so he should have a lot of years left.

Exactly. People need to stop panicking. There's also the little situation with Peyton Manning not being healthy and ready to go in Indy.

scorpio
07-27-2011, 11:32 AM
RT @MichelleBeisner: My sources telling me that the #Broncos and #Dolphins are in serious trade talks - could happen within next 6 hours.

So. Safe to fap?

I'd fap to Michelle Beisner anyway

tsiguy96
07-27-2011, 11:57 AM
delhomme was released, john clayton:

ake Delhomme was released by the Browns but watch for him to end up in Denver if Kyle Orton is traded

Punisher
07-27-2011, 04:20 PM
I mean seriously what do you think we get for Orton? Phins gives us who? Ricky Williams and a 4th

txtebow
07-27-2011, 04:22 PM
delhomme was released, john clayton:

ake Delhomme was released by the Browns but watch for him to end up in Denver if Kyle Orton is traded

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=98995

tsiguy96
07-27-2011, 04:23 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=98995

dude i posted that an hour before you made the thread?

That One Guy
07-27-2011, 04:27 PM
dude i posted that an hour before you made the thread?

But he just discovered it so that makes your post the duplicate. Time stamps be damned!