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That One Guy
07-23-2011, 10:03 AM
Amy Winehouse this time. I say good riddance and hopefully people learn from her mistakes. Stop being stupid.

And this isn't a mourning thread. This is a "Ha! We all saw this train coming a long time ago" thread.

SouthStndJunkie
07-23-2011, 10:09 AM
A loss of life is never something to laugh about....she had a serious drug problem and it ended up taking her life.

Doesn't mean she was a bad person.

I know a lot of people hooked on various drugs and it's not as easy as quitting, it's an every day struggle for them.

She had it all and couldn't handle the fame. But the fact that she was addicted to drugs and couldn't defeat it, doesn't mean she was a bad person.

I don't know much about her, other than she was pretty messed up on drugs and she is a singer.

It's a shame anytime someone in their 20s goes before their time.

Dr. Broncenstein
07-23-2011, 10:17 AM
That wasn't at all predictable.

Dr. Broncenstein
07-23-2011, 10:21 AM
She died because she had an endless supply of enablers. It takes a network of people to sustain an addiction to the point of death. The same network acts all sad and shocked when the addict dies.

SouthStndJunkie
07-23-2011, 10:21 AM
That wasn't at all predictable.

There is no doubt about that, she was a train wreck.

SouthStndJunkie
07-23-2011, 10:22 AM
She died because she had an endless supply of enablers. It takes a network of people to sustain an addiction to the point of death. The same network acts all sad and shocked when the addict dies.

Yep....these celebrities and athletes all surround themselves with 'yes people' who won't tell them no and will get them what they want instead of giving them some tough love.

Michael Jackson is the best example of this.

Dr. Broncenstein
07-23-2011, 10:23 AM
Charlie Sheen and Lindsay Lohan are next.

Dr. Broncenstein
07-23-2011, 10:29 AM
Yep....these celebrities and athletes all surround themselves with 'yes people' who won't tell them no and will get them what they want instead of giving them some tough love.

Michael Jackson is the best example of this.

They tend to have the most enablers simply because money and fame. That said, codependency networks are required to sustain every addict. Usually it's the family under false impression that they are keeping their loved one out of trouble.

NFLBRONCO
07-23-2011, 10:38 AM
First off its sad RIP. I never get why famous people have trouble with addiction. I would think even if a groupie did drugs and famous person said, that's not my thing they'd respect it and not offer again. I would think they would be glad just to hang with a famous person.

That One Guy
07-23-2011, 10:51 AM
A loss of life is never something to laugh about....she had a serious drug problem and it ended up taking her life.

Doesn't mean she was a bad person.

I know a lot of people hooked on various drugs and it's not as easy as quitting, it's an every day struggle for them.

She had it all and couldn't handle the fame. But the fact that she was addicted to drugs and couldn't defeat it, doesn't mean she was a bad person.

I don't know much about her, other than she was pretty messed up on drugs and she is a singer.

It's a shame anytime someone in their 20s goes before their time.

An addiction is never an easy thing to break, sure, but that should be more incentive to never try it. Instead, people want to think they can just try them once or do it because everyone else is and not consider the consequences.

rugbythug
07-23-2011, 11:00 AM
In before rehab song.

rugbythug
07-23-2011, 11:01 AM
Not sure why anyone would feel bad for her. This is exactly what she wanted.

g00fyfoot
07-23-2011, 11:04 AM
Wow, it's often at 27 years old, isn't it? Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, Pigpen, Kurt Cobain, now Amy Winehouse, dead at 27. I was going to put Shannon Hoon in there but apparently he made it less than a month past 28.

ColoradoDarin
07-23-2011, 11:14 AM
First off its sad RIP. I never get why famous people have trouble with addiction. I would think even if a groupie did drugs and famous person said, that's not my thing they'd respect it and not offer again. I would think they would be glad just to hang with a famous person.

Because a lot of people think that once they get fame and fortune that all their problems will go away. They think that little hole in their heart can be filled with anything in this world. And when it isn't they look to drugs, drinks, women or men, or anything they can think of.

AK Broncomaniac
07-23-2011, 11:22 AM
It's still very sad. My friend's son is a heroin addict. But thanks to his so-called healthcare providers, he will always be an addict. All they did was switch him to methadone (which is even more addicting). He will take the oxycodone, or whatever else his "pain" doctors and psychiatrists give him and grind it up and inject it. My sister-in-law is an addict who overdosed on her morphine; again supplied by her "pain" doctor. As a healthcare provider myself, I am shocked at the free-flow of highly addictive drugs by many "respectable" sources. I feel like most of society acts unknowingly as primary enablers. It may be more prevalent in the entertainment industry... but is most definitely not limited to there.

Los Broncos
07-23-2011, 11:30 AM
This is pretty sad, I'm just thankful that I'm not into hardcore drugs.

Swedish Extrovert
07-23-2011, 11:32 AM
http://www.whenwillamywinehousedie.com/

WolfpackGuy
07-23-2011, 11:38 AM
She was only 27?

Damn, she looked 47!

That One Guy
07-23-2011, 11:40 AM
It's still very sad. My friend's son is a heroin addict. But thanks to his so-called healthcare providers, he will always be an addict. All they did was switch him to methadone (which is even more addicting). He will take the oxycodone, or whatever else his "pain" doctors and psychiatrists give him and grind it up and inject it. My sister-in-law is an addict who overdosed on her morphine; again supplied by her "pain" doctor. As a healthcare provider myself, I am shocked at the free-flow of highly addictive drugs by many "respectable" sources. I feel like most of society acts unknowingly as primary enablers. It may be more prevalent in the entertainment industry... but is most definitely not limited to there.

At the end of the day, one has to evaluate what's most valuable. Until it's not drugs, I have no appreciation for them as a human being. It's calloused but there's people dying honorable deaths everyday; I don't have time to spend caring about someone who kills themselves and, quite frankly, get offended when people give them more consideration in death than they apparently gave others in life.

That One Guy
07-23-2011, 11:41 AM
This is pretty sad, I'm just thankful that I'm not into hardcore drugs.

No need to say thankful, it's not a quality that just falls from the heavens.

Say you're PROUD that you're not into drugs.

NUB
07-23-2011, 11:42 AM
Very sad. She was a tremendous talent, too.

epicSocialism4tw
07-23-2011, 11:48 AM
Wasted life.

If heroin, cocaine, or meth is around...don't even think about touching the stuff. All three are a quick road to one or both outcomes:

1) complete and utter devastation, featuring such hits as "retarded intellectual development", "retarded emotional development", "chronic disease", and "prolonged prison term(s)". With such peripheral benefits as "child neglect", "alienation of family", "ruined marriage". "spiritual depravity", and "long-term depression/associated mental illness"

2) Death


edit...Oops...forgot Meth alley. That's another outcome, possibly worse than death.

Broncochica
07-23-2011, 12:17 PM
RIP Amy! :(

Meck77
07-23-2011, 12:53 PM
Never heard of her. Sad. Reach out to others you know. It's all we can do.

ghwk
07-23-2011, 01:33 PM
RIP Amy! :(

Yep it is a bummer, she was really good when she wasn't a drugged up mess.

TDmvp
07-23-2011, 01:41 PM
Very sad she couldn't learn ... I think she was one of the most overrated singers of the era compared to actual technical singers but it's a shame she didn't grow up and learn.

UberBroncoMan
07-23-2011, 03:55 PM
A blind man would have seen this coming.

broncocalijohn
07-23-2011, 04:13 PM
So sad yet so predictable. Whoever had her on their death pool just got 73 points. Congrats!

BroncoMan4ever
07-23-2011, 09:37 PM
was anyone really surprised to read this in the news?

in fact if i read that she, Lohan or Spears died from an overdose i would not have been shocked at, but more surprised it took this long.

NFLBRONCO
07-23-2011, 09:41 PM
was anyone really surprised to read this in the news?

in fact if i read that she, Lohan or Spears died from an overdose i would not have been shocked at, but more surprised it took this long.

agreed

GreatBronco16
07-23-2011, 10:07 PM
Very sad. She was a tremendous talent, too.

She was???

epicSocialism4tw
07-24-2011, 09:58 AM
She was???

I wouldn't say so.

But she killed herself, so we have to listen to people glorify her.

Tim
07-24-2011, 04:43 PM
I just google'd her and still have no Idea who she was. prayers to her family

LRtagger
07-24-2011, 05:10 PM
I wouldn't say so.

But she killed herself, so we have to listen to people glorify her.

"Winehouse's 2003 debut album, Frank, was critically successful in the UK and was nominated for the Mercury Prize. Her 2006 follow-up album, Back to Black, led to six Grammy Award nominations and five wins, tying the then record for the most wins by a female artist in a single night, and made Winehouse the first British female to win five Grammys,[3][4] including three of the "Big Four": Best New Artist, Record of the Year and Song of the Year. On 14 February 2007, she won a BRIT Award for Best British Female Artist; she had also been nominated for Best British Album. She won the Ivor Novello Award three times, one in 2004 for Best Contemporary Song (musically and lyrically) for "Stronger Than Me", one in 2007 for Best Contemporary Song for "Rehab", and one in 2008 for Best Song Musically and Lyrically for "Love Is a Losing Game", among other distinctions. The album was the third biggest seller of the 2000s in the United Kingdom.[5]

Winehouse was credited as an influence in the rise in popularity of female musicians and soul music, and also for revitalising British music. "


I would say she was pretty talented.

TDmvp
07-24-2011, 05:21 PM
I would say she was pretty talented.

If you think she was a talented singer compared to the actual great singers of her era that's you opinion and your're welcome to it .

Vocally she is mediocre at best compared to female singer with technical voices and as far as charting her best single only made it to # 9 in the U.S. and 7 in the UK.


But comparing her musically to the best artist of the last decade is laughable.
It's still a shame she couldn't grow up and learn because she most likely had better music to come as she grew up and wrote about stuff people actually cared about instead of her own drug laced life.


But as someone who has sang in bands since my teens her voice sucked compared to actual talented singers. Sad none the less.

AK Broncomaniac
07-24-2011, 05:41 PM
If Carole King applauded Amy's rendition of her "Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow", she had to be a little better than mediocre. Personally, I've never listened to her music... not that I'm aware of, anyway.

Smiling Assassin27
07-25-2011, 09:44 AM
What a waste.

Granted, I couldn't pick her tunes out of a lineup, but I don't think anyone can claim she lacked talent. Very sad to see tortured lives play out as hers did. RIP.

Cito Pelon
07-25-2011, 09:52 AM
Amy Winehouse this time. I say good riddance and hopefully people learn from her mistakes. Stop being stupid.

And this isn't a mourning thread. This is a "Ha! We all saw this train coming a long time ago" thread.

Good riddance? No need for that.

Beantown Bronco
07-25-2011, 09:56 AM
Wow, it's often at 27 years old, isn't it? Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, Pigpen, Kurt Cobain, now Amy Winehouse, dead at 27. I was going to put Shannon Hoon in there but apparently he made it less than a month past 28.

I'm really not sure why the media is latching onto this one. Of the thousands of iconic musicians, etc. of the last 50 years, I could probably come up with at least that many names for several other ages. Double that number and maybe it would be noteworthy.

Cito Pelon
07-25-2011, 09:56 AM
Very sad she couldn't learn ... I think she was one of the most overrated singers of the era compared to actual technical singers but it's a shame she didn't grow up and learn.

What the hell is an "actual technical singer"?

Tombstone RJ
07-25-2011, 10:02 AM
"Winehouse's 2003 debut album, Frank, was critically successful in the UK and was nominated for the Mercury Prize. Her 2006 follow-up album, Back to Black, led to six Grammy Award nominations and five wins, tying the then record for the most wins by a female artist in a single night, and made Winehouse the first British female to win five Grammys,[3][4] including three of the "Big Four": Best New Artist, Record of the Year and Song of the Year. On 14 February 2007, she won a BRIT Award for Best British Female Artist; she had also been nominated for Best British Album. She won the Ivor Novello Award three times, one in 2004 for Best Contemporary Song (musically and lyrically) for "Stronger Than Me", one in 2007 for Best Contemporary Song for "Rehab", and one in 2008 for Best Song Musically and Lyrically for "Love Is a Losing Game", among other distinctions. The album was the third biggest seller of the 2000s in the United Kingdom.[5]

Winehouse was credited as an influence in the rise in popularity of female musicians and soul music, and also for revitalising British music. "


I would say she was pretty talented.

oh, she's a grammy winner, no wonder I have no interest in her music and have never heard of her before...

Cito Pelon
07-25-2011, 10:07 AM
If you think she was a talented singer compared to the actual great singers of her era that's you opinion and your're welcome to it .

Vocally she is mediocre at best compared to female singer with technical voices and as far as charting her best single only made it to # 9 in the U.S. and 7 in the UK.


But comparing her musically to the best artist of the last decade is laughable.
It's still a shame she couldn't grow up and learn because she most likely had better music to come as she grew up and wrote about stuff people actually cared about instead of her own drug laced life.


But as someone who has sang in bands since my teens her voice sucked compared to actual talented singers. Sad none the less.

Hey, you hate the girl, you've posted so before. But show a little bit of class, TD, the girl just passed away.

That One Guy
07-25-2011, 12:48 PM
Good riddance? No need for that.

You think people don't emulate these celebrities? There's a lot of people out there that want to live the Hollywood lifestyle. This girl killing herself not only removes that negative role model but also serves as a warning to those people who think the "fast life" is for them.

That One Guy
07-25-2011, 12:51 PM
Hey, you hate the girl, you've posted so before. But show a little bit of class, TD, the girl just passed away.

What's with this notion of honoring someone once they're dead when they weren't worthy of that respect while they were alive? I wont mourn this girl any more than I mourned Bin Laden, any of those rappers that got themselves killed, etc.

Sucks for the girl's family. Out of respect for them (and generally not being that ignorant), I'd never protest a person's funeral or anything. Beyond that, to say a person who was a ****ty member of society before suddenly deserves some undue respect now? F that.

BroncoMan4ever
07-25-2011, 12:55 PM
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That One Guy
07-25-2011, 12:57 PM
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Ha!

Beantown Bronco
07-25-2011, 01:04 PM
Was that pic taken before or after she was declared dead?

Miss I.
07-25-2011, 01:08 PM
http://www.startrip.tv/amy-winehouse.jpg

Mr.Meanie
07-25-2011, 01:09 PM
Classy thread

Cito Pelon
07-25-2011, 01:13 PM
You think people don't emulate these celebrities? There's a lot of people out there that want to live the Hollywood lifestyle. This girl killing herself not only removes that negative role model but also serves as a warning to those people who think the "fast life" is for them.

You're a major hardass. But, you're not gonna be able to remake society in your image.

Cito Pelon
07-25-2011, 01:16 PM
What's with this notion of honoring someone once they're dead when they weren't worthy of that respect while they were alive? I wont mourn this girl any more than I mourned Bin Laden, any of those rappers that got themselves killed, etc.

Sucks for the girl's family. Out of respect for them (and generally not being that ignorant), I'd never protest a person's funeral or anything. Beyond that, to say a person who was a ****ty member of society before suddenly deserves some undue respect now? F that.

You're all class, TOG.

TonyR
07-25-2011, 01:16 PM
Not sure why anyone would feel bad for her. This is exactly what she wanted.

Disagree with the first part, agree with the second part. Addiction is awful, and apparently so awful for her that she wanted to die. I think it's okay to feel bad for her.

Beantown Bronco
07-25-2011, 01:19 PM
Her mom was on CNN today blaming herself. Apparently, she was just reminded by a family friend that she used to let Amy watch Ghosbusters when she was 7.

Miss I.
07-25-2011, 01:27 PM
I wasn't going to jump on this, but here's what I have to say.
I have one of her albums, "Back to Black" and I like it. Is she as good as the great musicians who she clearly was trying to emulate, no, but I enjoyed the album. And yes Rehab seems a little sadly ironic given current events, but at the time I got the album her problems were already obvious. I hear a very sad and broken person in her music and since she actually wrote her music it makes sense. The songs, "I'm no good" and "I wake up alone" are so sad given the circumstances now, but this girl was broken a long time ago and while I didn't know her nor take much from this personally, I do still think it's a shame when a life is lost when it needn't have been. I hope now she will rest in the peace she obviously never found in life and I hope her family and friends are able to make peace with losing someone they loved.

R.I.P. Amy....
http://aaeblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/amy-winehouse.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
07-25-2011, 01:40 PM
I wasn't going to jump on this, but here's what I have to say.
I have one of her albums, "Back to Black" and I like it. Is she as good as the great musicians who she clearly was trying to emulate, no, but I enjoyed the album. And yes Rehab seems a little sadly ironic given current events, but at the time I got the album her problems were already obvious. I hear a very sad and broken person in her music and since she actually wrote her music it makes sense. The songs, "I'm no good" and "I wake up alone" are so sad given the circumstances now, but this girl was broken a long time ago and while I didn't know her nor take much from this personally, I do still think it's a shame when a life is lost when it needn't have been. I hope now she will rest in the peace she obviously never found in life and I hope her family and friends are able to make peace with losing someone they loved.

R.I.P. Amy....


Let her life be a lesson.

There are things to live for. Have the courage to find them.

That One Guy
07-25-2011, 01:50 PM
You're all class, TOG.

Thanks, that means a lot to me. I've always found your approval to be important in my life so to know I have it really makes me feel like I've accomplished something.

DarkHorse30
07-25-2011, 01:59 PM
I heard on Fox that Pat O'brien said he has been drug-free for about 3 years, and that sometimes these people that OD are just trying to get some sleep....they don't intentionally overdose. In Manic-depressives, the biggest challenge is controlling sleep patterns.

That One Guy
07-25-2011, 02:04 PM
I heard on Fox that Pat O'brien said he has been drug-free for about 3 years, and that sometimes these people that OD are just trying to get some sleep....they don't intentionally overdose. In Manic-depressives, the biggest challenge is controlling sleep patterns.

Am I the only one who has ever heard of the issues with sustained use of sleeping pills?

DarkHorse30
07-25-2011, 02:24 PM
Am I the only one who has ever heard of the issues with sustained use of sleeping pills?

it's not just the sleeping pills, it's uppers, downers and sidewaysers also. Not trying to be cute, but anti-depressants and anti-psychotic medicine is somewhat different than sleeping pills, but obviously they both can kill you.

That One Guy
07-25-2011, 02:27 PM
it's not just the sleeping pills, it's uppers, downers and sidewaysers also. Not trying to be cute, but anti-depressants and anti-psychotic medicine is somewhat different than sleeping pills, but obviously they both can kill you.

I just don't know then.

I'm a person that adamantly opposes the use of pills for anything unless absolutely necessary for life functions or something minor like a headache where the impact is very minimal. Sleeping pills, mood pills, attention pills... all that stuff, I think the pill causes you as many problems as it supposedly solves. I find myself unable to say "sounds like your problem" when reading about it but I guess I really just don't understand since I've never dealt with it.

epicSocialism4tw
07-25-2011, 02:57 PM
I just don't know then.

I'm a person that adamantly opposes the use of pills for anything unless absolutely necessary for life functions or something minor like a headache where the impact is very minimal. Sleeping pills, mood pills, attention pills... all that stuff, I think the pill causes you as many problems as it supposedly solves. I find myself unable to say "sounds like your problem" when reading about it but I guess I really just don't understand since I've never dealt with it.

Some pills are good for you.

But don't buy medicines made outside of America because they aren't held to the same standards during production. Theres a good chance that the drugs you buy that are manufactured outside the US aren't refined to the purity that US drugs are refined to. You will get racemic mixtures of molecules that can actually bind to proteins that you do not want to be effected by the drug. It lowers the effectiveness of the drug and raises the possibility of unwanted side effects that arent a risk in the US-made counterpart.

Jetmeck
07-25-2011, 08:48 PM
Amy Winehouse this time. I say good riddance and hopefully people learn from her mistakes. Stop being stupid.

And this isn't a mourning thread. This is a "Ha! We all saw this train coming a long time ago" thread.

Un frekin believable ! How low can you go.? ASSHOLE

Jetmeck
07-25-2011, 08:51 PM
Some pills are good for you.

But don't buy medicines made outside of America because they aren't held to the same standards during production. Theres a good chance that the drugs you buy that are manufactured outside the US aren't refined to the purity that US drugs are refined to. You will get racemic mixtures of molecules that can actually bind to proteins that you do not want to be effected by the drug. It lowers the effectiveness of the drug and raises the possibility of unwanted side effects that arent a risk in the US-made counterpart.

THIS IDIOT DOES NOT NEED ANOTHER WORSE OFF MENTAL MIDGET TRYING TO SCHOOL HIM. Clearly you two need your meds.

EPICa-holebtw

Watch your republican right wing agenda melt away as logic and common sense sinks in this week. 51 to 30 percent blame the rich and corporate protecting idiots that you support. They are going down in flames this week...................

That One Guy
07-25-2011, 08:53 PM
THIS IDIOT DOES NOT NEED ANOTHER WORSE OFF MENTAL MIDGET TRYING TO SCHOOL HIM. Clearly you two need your meds.

EPICa-holebtw

Watch your republican right wing agenda melt away as logic and common sense sinks in this week. 51 to 30 percent blame the rich and corporate protecting idiots that you support. They are going down in flames this week...................

Well now we know you don't keep your silly ignorance isolated to just political threads.

Jetmeck
07-25-2011, 08:58 PM
Well now we know you don't keep your silly ignorance isolated to just political threads.

You couldn't find your ass with either hand.
Clueless. Argue till you die. But common sense will prevail as shared sacrifice and compromise being the path to justice.

That One Guy
07-25-2011, 09:00 PM
You couldn't find your ass with either hand.
Clueless. Argue till you die. But common sense will prevail as shared sacrifice and compromise being the path to justice.

Nom Nom Nom... I'm hungry.

Jetmeck
07-25-2011, 09:11 PM
Nom Nom Nom... I'm hungry.

Ate up loser and this thread proves it. U and numb nutz epicassholebtw need to find each other on match.com.
Perfect for you................

That One Guy
07-25-2011, 09:13 PM
Ate up loser and this thread proves it. U and numb nutz epica-holebtw need to find each other on match.com.
Perfect for you................

By god, you're funnier than an ingrown toenail.

Jetmeck
07-25-2011, 09:18 PM
By god, you're funnier than an ingrown toenail.


Some might think what your thread says but 99% of people understand there is big difference between thinking this and
actually putting it in writing for all the world to see.

Were you home schooled ? Nice to finally get into that 1 percentile.............your parents would be so proud.

Keep coming back. Too dumb to realize you made an ass of yourself.

TDmvp
07-25-2011, 09:22 PM
http://tigzy.com/lj/popcorn.gif

That One Guy
07-25-2011, 09:23 PM
Some might think what your thread says but 99% of people understand there is big difference between thinking this and
actually putting it in writing for all the world to see.

Were you home schooled ? Nice to finally get into that 1 percentile.............your parents would be so proud.

Keep coming back. Too dumb to realize you made an ass of yourself.

I don't have to hide who I am. I know what matters and what doesn't. Continue to embrace your insecurities and screaming... surely someone appreciates it.

epicSocialism4tw
07-25-2011, 09:29 PM
THIS IDIOT DOES NOT NEED ANOTHER WORSE OFF MENTAL MIDGET TRYING TO SCHOOL HIM. Clearly you two need your meds.

EPICa-holebtw

Watch your republican right wing agenda melt away as logic and common sense sinks in this week. 51 to 30 percent blame the rich and corporate protecting idiots that you support. They are going down in flames this week...................

What the heck are you talking about? Hilarious!

I was talking about racemic mixtures, and you went off into Loonyland.

epicSocialism4tw
07-25-2011, 09:36 PM
Inappropriate?:
http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/amy.jpg

Microsoft.

broncocalijohn
07-25-2011, 09:45 PM
Some might think what your thread says but 99% of people understand there is big difference between thinking this and
actually putting it in writing for all the world to see.

Were you home schooled ? Nice to finally get into that 1 percentile.............your parents would be so proud.

Keep coming back. Too dumb to realize you made an ass of yourself.

You came in here in a blaze of glory or is it dust? Chill out and take some of those US drugs Epic was talking about. Jet must have had Winehouse tickets for a future concert and now is pissed and sad.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
07-29-2011, 01:36 AM
Sums it up perfectly for me...

This week, Amy Winehouse died. But so did: Justin Allen 23, Brett Linley 29, Matthew Weikert 29, Justus Bartett 27, Dave Santos 21, Jesse Reed 26, Matthew Johnson 21, Zachary Fisher 24, Brandon King 23, Christopher Goeke 23, Sheldon Tate 27. They are Marines who made the ultimate sacrifice this week for US. There is NO media for them, not a mention of their names.

That One Guy
07-29-2011, 08:14 AM
Sums it up perfectly for me...

Exactly.

There are times we agree. Fascinating.