Ron Paul Runs Competitively Against Obama - Rasmussen

[epicSocialism4tw]

Congressman Ron Paul may be a long shot to win the Republican presidential nomination, but he runs competitively with President Obama right now.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/obama_41_ron_paul_37

[barryr]

Paul would gain much more support if he changed his stance about terrorism and understood what is really going on there. His essential belief that we just move our troops out of the ME and it all goes away just doesn't mesh with reality. Though I do agree we should move our troops out, but that is more for our troop safety and a lack of mission that exists now.

[Arkie]

The war on terror is not a war between nations. Ron Paul supports violent retribution against terrorists. He supports accurately analyzing and evaluating any clear and present danger and going after them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_of_marque
The issue of marque and reprisal was raised before Congress after the September 11 attacks[30] and again on July 21, 2007, by Congressman Ron Paul. The attacks were defined as acts of "air piracy" and the Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001 was introduced, which would have granted the president the authority to use letters of marque and reprisal against the specific terrorists, instead of warring against a foreign state. The terrorists were compared to pirates in that they are difficult to fight by traditional military means.[31] Congressman Paul also advocated the use of letters of marque to address the issue of Somali pirates operating in the Gulf of Aden on April 15, 2009. However, the bills Congressman Paul introduced were not enacted into law.

[That One Guy]

Paul would gain much more support if he changed his stance about terrorism and understood what is really going on there. His essential belief that we just move our troops out of the ME and it all goes away just doesn't mesh with reality. Though I do agree we should move our troops out, but that is more for our troop safety and a lack of mission that exists now.

But he starts losing people's respect if he sells his beliefs out to gain votes. It happens in every election and people always talk about it. His intrigue is that he sticks to his beliefs and fundamentals. If he starts playing full blown politics, he'll just be another politician.

[Boomhauer]

Top three candidates at this time:
+1pt Romney 43% vs 42%
-4pt Ron Paul 37% vs 41%
-7pt Bachmann 39% vs 46%

Wallflower candidates:
-12pt Pawlenty 32% vs 44%
-14pt Santorum 31% vs 45%
-16pt Huntsman 28% vs 44%

Name recognition candidates:
Perry 39% vs 44%
Guliani 39% vs 44%
Christie 37% vs 44%
Palin 38% vs 47%

Candidates rejected by voters:
Gingrich 30% vs 48%
Cain 28% vs 49%

[Tombstone RJ]

the media seems to give RP little respect, it's like he doesn't exist...

[epicSocialism4tw]

the media seems to give RP little respect, it's like he doesn't exist...

They don't want him to exist. He's dangerous to the establishment, and the media are establishment.

[barryr]

They don't want him to exist. He's dangerous to the establishment, and the media are establishment.

That is very true. Notice what happens to the typical outsider and how the vast media treats that person. Most in the media like the status quo and don't like people they don't know much about since then have to make up weaknesses, but many in this country too lazy to find out what is real, so just goes along with what the media says. That is how we stay in the economic mess we currently have going.

[Hogan11]

They don't want him to exist. He's dangerous to the establishment, and the media are establishment.

Well, when he starts drifting into Lyndon LaRouche territory, what can (and should) you expect? All credibility Paul has then goes straight out the window.

[mosca]

Well, when he starts drifting into Lyndon LaRouche territory, what can (and should) you expect? All credibility Paul has then goes straight out the window.
If that's the best you have, then you don't have much. It's the same sorry, tired excuse that was bandied around last election. 'He's too extreme! He's wacko!' Ya, whatever.

Ron Paul, whether or not you agree with him on every issue, is more spot on than the vast majority of candidates we've seen over the last two decades.

The establishment is afraid to debate him on any of the big issues because more often than not he pWns them.

[Smiling Assassin27]

This just in: Lyndon Larouche would run competitively against this guy right now.

[Arkie]

LaRouche couldn't be any more the polar opposite of Paul on economics.

LaRouche's economic policies, developed from originally Marxist beginnings, call for a program modeled on the economic-recovery program of the Franklin Roosevelt administration, including fixed exchange rates, capital controls, exchange controls, currency controls, and protectionist price and trade agreements among partner-nations.[7][8] LaRouche also calls for a reorganization of debt world-wide, and a global plan for large-scale, continental infrastructure projects.[8][9][10] He rejects free trade.

[Spider]

was in a Panda express tonight , a place i go to everytime I am in town , one of the gals there has a thing for me ,and I am starting to notice her , but there was this guy talking shiat while Obama was on TV ...... When Boener came on I said now for the punchline.....spray on tanjoke is talking , looked right at the guy lipping off and said , you know they raised the debt ceiling 7 times under bush , now all of the sudden it matters ? Care to explain or do you just want to shut your pie hole now?.....LOL he looked at his wife and said come on we are leaving .......

[epicSocialism4tw]

was in a Panda express tonight , a place i go to everytime I am in town , one of the gals there has a thing for me ,and I am starting to notice her , but there was this guy talking shiat while Obama was on TV ...... When Boener came on I said now for the punchline.....spray on tanjoke is talking , looked right at the guy lipping off and said , you know they raised the debt ceiling 7 times under bush , now all of the sudden it matters ? Care to explain or do you just want to shut your pie hole now?.....LOL he looked at his wife and said come on we are leaving .......

He probably didn't want to get baited into a fight in Panda Express and get arrested in front of his family. Sounds pretty wise to me.

[Spider]

He probably didn't want to get baited into a fight in Panda Express and get arrested in front of his family. Sounds pretty wise to me.

LOL ,no He knew he would have got his ass kicked , there was no doubt on that......He was pretty tough until he got called out

[epicSocialism4tw]

LOL ,no He knew he would have got his ass kicked , there was no doubt on that......He was pretty tough until he got called out

Nah dude...really.

Don't get into a fight in a Panda Express. That's white trash or ghetto depending on where you're at.

[Spider]

Nah dude...really.

Don't get into a fight in a Panda Express. That's white trash or ghetto depending on where you're at.
;D good as place as any to throw down..... Hell dayum near took on some guys in Dodge City Kansas over a turn signal

[epicSocialism4tw]

;D good as place as any to throw down..... Hell dayum near took on some guys in Dodge City Kansas over a turn signal

They were probably in a 1986 Camaro, and you in your truck I'm sure.

[Spider]

They were probably in a 1986 Camaro, and you in your truck I'm sure.

um no, they was in a Honda Accord , was in my truck ,I was lost made a wrong turn , getting ready to turn around , they came speeding up on me in my turn ...Honked and told me to pay attention .......I flew out of my truck and showed them I was there first and had my turn signal on , and if they didnt like it step out of the car .......

[epicSocialism4tw]

um no, they was in a Honda Accord , was in my truck ,I was lost made a wrong turn , getting ready to turn around , they came speeding up on me in my turn ...Honked and told me to pay attention .......I flew out of my truck and showed them I was there first and had my turn signal on , and if they didnt like it step out of the car .......

Dude, you need some blood pressure meds.

[cutthemdown]

Made up story that no one believes. The dead giveaway is this gal there that likes me.....that right there told me it was Spidey's Storytelling Time again. Punching throats and wooing the ladies, trucking across the country like BJ and the Bear. Breaking hearts, fingers, and punching throats!......then he wakes up with the same ole crack whore, at the same old truckstop.

[cutthemdown]

Spiders favorite movie is Dual! It's his fantasy to run people off the road.

[Hogan11]

If that's the best you have, then you don't have much. It's the same sorry, tired excuse that was bandied around last election. 'He's too extreme! He's wacko!' Ya, whatever.

Ron Paul, whether or not you agree with him on every issue, is more spot on than the vast majority of candidates we've seen over the last two decades.

The establishment is afraid to debate him on any of the big issues because more often than not he pWns them.

It cannot be argued that he has ideas that are extremely out of the political mainstream with a fiercely loyal almost cult-like following (like LaRouche) and this just in...as long as he insists upon running as a Republican, he's going to continue to be a non factor. He'll never get the nomination of that party...NEVER, so , in effect, he's doing nothing more than wasting his time and the time of his supporters.

Personally, I resent him for not running on the Libertarian ticket last time. The guy could've done a lot for that party and maybe even establish it as a viable third party on a presidential level, but he refused and remained in the GOP trying to do the virtually impossible.....trying to influence the GOP platform. He failed and he will continue to fail as long as he aligns himself to the GOP.

He's wasting his time and yours and surely you must have better things to do with your time than back a guy with little influence and no viable chance at accomplishing....well, anything at all.

[Spider]

Spiders favorite movie is Dual! It's his fantasy to run people off the road.

LOLtell ya what I have to go to Detroit ,but I will get a run to LA ,lets meet and have a beer ....... Deal?

[Spider]

Dude, you need some blood pressure meds.

Blood pressure is fine .....

[Spider]

Think of it as away to bury the hatchet...... Lets be friends

[mosca]

He's wasting his time and yours and surely you must have better things to do with your time than back a guy with little influence and no viable chance at accomplishing....well, anything at all.
If you don't see that Paul has influenced the Republican party and the electorate in the years since the 2008 election, then you haven't been paying attention.

[Hogan11]

If you don't see that Paul has influenced the Republican party and the electorate in the years since the 2008 election, then you haven't been paying attention.

What? Unless you wanna credit him for the tea party loons (a stretch at best) , he's had about as much influence on the mainstream GOP as Allan Keys....meaning not much at all.

[epicSocialism4tw]

What? Unless you wanna credit him for the tea party loons (a stretch at best) , he's had about as much influence on the mainstream GOP as Allan Keys....meaning not much at all.

The Tea Party arent "loons", dude.

They're the middle class.

[mosca]

What? Unless you wanna credit him for the tea party loons (a stretch at best) , he's had about as much influence on the mainstream GOP as Allan Keys....meaning not much at all.
The Tea Party owes a good bit of its inspiration to Ron Paul - he held the first of the 'modern' Tea Parties back during his campaign.
In addition, a few years back, he and a few others were the only voices calling for cuts in government spending, audits of the Federal Reserve, criticizing quantitative easing, return to the gold standardetc. People branded him as crazy for that, but now those views on the economy are much more common across the board.

[Hogan11]

The Tea Party owes a good bit of its inspiration to Ron Paul - he held the first of the 'modern' Tea Parties back during his campaign.
In addition, a few years back, he and a few others were the only voices calling for cuts in government spending, audits of the Federal Reserve, criticizing quantitative easing, return to the gold standardetc. People branded him as crazy for that, but now those views on the economy are much more common across the board.

How come I don't see these tea baggers championing Ron Paul then? His twisted son, yes.....Ron? Not nearly as much. I think equating Ron Paul to the tea party is stretching things quite a bit.

And it still doesn't discard my original point, which is his influence on the mainstream GOP has been minimal at best. He's a fringe canadate wasting his time trying to obtain a GOP Presidential nomination that he'll never...ever... get close to. If Paul really wanted to make a lasting difference, he would've ran on the Libertarian Party line after being shown the door (yet again) in the GOP. He could've possibly made a lasting dent in the two party system in this country, but instead he folded his tent and went home.

He blew his promise right then....and probably his last real chance to make an actual difference in the political system of this country.

[Obushma]

How come I don't see these tea baggers championing Ron Paul then? His twisted son, yes.....Ron? Not nearly as much. I think equating Ron Paul to the tea party is stretching things quite a bit.

And it still doesn't discard my original point, which is his influence on the mainstream GOP has been minimal at best. He's a fringe canadate wasting his time trying to obtain a GOP Presidential nomination that he'll never...ever... get close to. If Paul really wanted to make a lasting difference, he would've ran on the Libertarian Party line after being shown the door (yet again) in the GOP. He could've possibly made a lasting dent in the two party system in this country, but instead he folded his tent and went home.

He blew his promise right then....and probably his last real chance to make an actual difference in the political system of this country.

Honest question...How stupid are you?

You think a Libertarian candidate would be invited to a single debate? We're taking our party back and there's not a God damn thing any of you RINOS can do about it except vote for him or loose the general. You'll never put another of your kind back in the presidency.

[Hogan11]

Honest question...How stupid are you?

You think a Libertarian candidate would be invited to a single debate? We're taking our party back and there's not a God damn thing any of you RINOS can do about it except vote for him or loose the general. You'll never put another of your kind back in the presidency.

He had enough support to be invited to the debates if he ran as a third party canadate in '08.

and if you think I'm anywhere close to being a RINO (or anywhere close to the GOP in general), then you define the word stupid.

[Obushma]

He had enough support to be invited to the debates if he ran as a third party canadate in '08.

Dude, he didnt even get invited to the Fox news debate in 08, so he held his own right across the street. Apparently you've never heard of the CPD (Commission on Presidential Debates). Here, educate yourself.

http://www.debatethis.org/

[That One Guy]

How come I don't see these tea baggers championing Ron Paul then? His twisted son, yes.....Ron? Not nearly as much. I think equating Ron Paul to the tea party is stretching things quite a bit.

And it still doesn't discard my original point, which is his influence on the mainstream GOP has been minimal at best. He's a fringe canadate wasting his time trying to obtain a GOP Presidential nomination that he'll never...ever... get close to. If Paul really wanted to make a lasting difference, he would've ran on the Libertarian Party line after being shown the door (yet again) in the GOP. He could've possibly made a lasting dent in the two party system in this country, but instead he folded his tent and went home.

He blew his promise right then....and probably his last real chance to make an actual difference in the political system of this country.

He mentioned why he wont run 3rd party again. He said he burnt a big part of his money just trying to get on the ballots and wasn't able to get involved in the debates and whatnot.

It may be a longshot to get the R bid but if he doesn't, he's surely not winning. He's more likely to win the R bid than the presidency as a 3rd party candidate.

[Hogan11]

Dude, he didnt even get invited to the Fox news debate in 08, so he held his own right across the street. Apparently you've never heard of the CPD (Commission on Presidential Debates). Here, educate yourself.

http://www.debatethis.org/

Of course he didn't get invited to the Fox News debate, they were against his candidacy from day one and, of course, having your supporters chase Sean Hannity down the street doesn't really help matters with them either.

What I've been saying is that if he switched his candidacy over to the Libertarian Party instead of deep sixing it the way he did, not only would he have the support of those (like you I would imagine) but also pick up the Libertarians as a whole, surely enough to get a place at the table for national debates. This is the same guy who pulled down over 400,000 votes as a Libertarian Presidential canadate back in 1988 when no one even knew who the hell he was. In '08, he had far greater support and could've made a real difference, he quit instead. He blew it, period.

This notion that he stands a chance at the GOP nomination is laughable, hell even batshiat crazy Bachmann stands a better chance than he does.

[Hogan11]

He mentioned why he wont run 3rd party again. He said he burnt a big part of his money just trying to get on the ballots and wasn't able to get involved in the debates and whatnot.

It may be a longshot to get the R bid but if he doesn't, he's surely not winning. He's more likely to win the R bid than the presidency as a 3rd party candidate.

The point was he stood a chance at finally breaking the two party system for real by capitalizing on the public's disgust of both the R's & D's, he chose not to. I guess he feels better about banging his head against the wall in the GOP instead, where he's viewed as a fringe canadate and nothing really more.

[Hogan11]

He mentioned why he wont run 3rd party again. He said he burnt a big part of his money just trying to get on the ballots and wasn't able to get involved in the debates and whatnot.

It may be a longshot to get the R bid but if he doesn't, he's surely not winning. He's more likely to win the R bid than the presidency as a 3rd party candidate.

The guy is burning a big part of his money for not much in return either way he goes at this point.

[Obushma]

The guy is burning a big part of his money for not much in return either way he goes at this point.

You're a moron, the proof is in your knowledge of the political process.

[That One Guy]

The point was he stood a chance at finally breaking the two party system for real by capitalizing on the public's disgust of both the R's & D's, he chose not to. I guess he feels better about banging his head against the wall in the GOP instead, where he's viewed as a fringe canadate and nothing really more.

You have a point. If the system were more conducive to 3rd party candidates then I think he'd have continued to pursue it.

As is though, I think if the current members of the Tea Party in congress can actually affect some change, the limited government folks could take over the R party or, at the very least, become a component that commands recognition. They have to hold their ground, hopefully gain a bit of publicity, and expand some more. What they risk is if they screw up here, they could kill the entire movement and solidify Rs vs Ds for the foreseeable future. I don't think Tea Partiers are as fringe as you think they are. I think there is some serious backing.

[That One Guy]

You're a moron, the proof is in your knowledge of the political process.

Does every post have to be condescending?

[Hogan11]

You're a moron, the proof is in your knowledge of the political process.

Yeah, sure.

Wanna see a moron? Look into the nearest mirror. Afterall, you're the one wasting your time on a guy who has zero chance and the same guy who thought I was a RINO Hilarious!

[Hogan11]

Does every post have to be condescending?

Nature of the beast, you're just the exception and it's greatly appreciated

[Hogan11]

You have a point. If the system were more conducive to 3rd party candidates then I think he'd have continued to pursue it.

As is though, I think if the current members of the Tea Party in congress can actually affect some change, the limited government folks could take over the R party or, at the very least, become a component that commands recognition. They have to hold their ground, hopefully gain a bit of publicity, and expand some more. What they risk is if they screw up here, they could kill the entire movement and solidify Rs vs Ds for the foreseeable future. I don't think Tea Partiers are as fringe as you think they are. I think there is some serious backing.

There is serious coporate backing, that can't be denied. As for taking over the GOP, I'm not so sure they can succeed in doing that before they become a spent force.

We'll see I guess.

[Obushma]

Does every post have to be condescending?

The guy called Paul "LaRouche", thinks Paul could get in the debates as a third party candidate, and thinks the Tea Party has no influence on the GOP.

I just call em like I see em.

[That One Guy]

There is serious coporate backing, that can't be denied. As for taking over the GOP, I'm not so sure they can succeed in doing that before they become a spent force.

We'll see I guess.

Curious what you mean here.

[That One Guy]

The guy called Paul "LaRouche", thinks Paul could get in the debates as a third party candidate, and thinks the Tea Party has no influence on the GOP.

I just call em like I see em.

Maybe if those running as 3rd party candidates actually made enough effort to look like something other than a 3rd party candidate, there'd be a different system in place. 3rd party is usually synonymous with tree hugging candidates and the like. The system wont change overnight but maybe if he'd pursued it seriously from '88 till now, it'd be a different story.

There's a lot of libertarians in the US but Paul is just now becoming a household name in politics. I increasingly follow politics but back when TJ was part of the movement for Paul's election and posting about the guy, I really had no idea who he was. For him to be still as unknown as he was 20 years after his first presidential bid is proof of him either not being a true candidate for election or of flaws in his campaign strategies.

It wont change overnight but it wont change at all until someone pursues it seriously.

[Obushma]

Ron Paul, more donations from active duty military then all the other Republican candidates combined in 08. Looks like it will be the same in 2012, more donations then any other candidate from either party.

http://www.freemaninky.com/2011/07/ron-paul-campaign-raises-most-donations.html

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[TailgateNut]

Ron Paul, more donations from active duty military then all the other Republican candidates combined in 08. Looks like it will be the same in 2012, more donations then any other candidate from either party.

http://www.freemaninky.com/2011/07/ron-paul-campaign-raises-most-donations.html

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Talk about donating against your own best interests, in a way. It may bring them home, but it also my put them on the unemployement rolls.

[TheDave]

Seems to be the one constant on the mane...

No matter who the coach is, or QB, or the win/loss record of the team someone in the WRP forum will continue pimping Mr. Gold standard and his economic fairy tales.

Glad i didn't miss anything... ;D

As for running against Obama succesfully, with near 10% unemployment and the continued maliase of this depression like economy... a dead cat looks like a viable option.

[alkemical]

Seems to be the one constant on the mane...

No matter who the coach is, or QB, or the win/loss record of the team someone in the WRP forum will continue pimping Mr. Gold standard and his economic fairy tales.

Glad i didn't miss anything... ;D

As for running against Obama succesfully, with near 10% unemployment and the continued maliase of this depression like economy... a dead cat looks like a viable option.

Mow?

[TailgateNut]

Mow?

what kinda cat is that