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LetsGoBroncos
07-22-2011, 01:09 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_18530251

Wow. All McD draft picks. Thought he was going for character

KO5K
07-22-2011, 01:17 PM
I bet Perrish, who I may add is 24 years old, is hoping to get this lockout ended pronto, doesn't want to be losing any pay checks with baby number 4 on the way.

Rabb
07-22-2011, 01:23 PM
will we ever see some god damn positive football news around here again?

Gcver2ver3
07-22-2011, 01:23 PM
obviously being not there you never know for sure...

but it doesn't look good...

unless i misentepreted, according to the article, when she found out she was pregnant, she went straight to the authorities...

a chick just out to get paid would've contacted Cox first...

dispicable on Cox if true...

Kaylore
07-22-2011, 01:28 PM
a chick just out to get paid would've contacted Cox first...

Or filed a civil suit. It's pretty hard to argue with this line of reasoning.

Garcia Bronco
07-22-2011, 01:33 PM
Man...I was totally wrong, if true.

The Article doesn't add up, but I have to read it again.

tsiguy96
07-22-2011, 01:35 PM
this chick finds out she was pregnant, doesnt remember how then goes to the cops to say where she was when it probably happened, and DNA testing confirms it.

this does NOT look good. at all. how can someone do that

epicSocialism4tw
07-22-2011, 01:35 PM
4 drinks can be enough to knock out a petite woman. I don't know if that's the case, but I thought that it was worth noting. The idea of "drugging" someone makes this a whole different deal.

Though it doesn't look good for Cox, we should remember that these guys are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Remember that whole Duke Lacrosse thing? I'm not saying that Cox is innocent, because you just don't know.

Garcia Bronco
07-22-2011, 01:37 PM
this chick finds out she was pregnant, doesnt remember how then goes to the cops to say where she was when it probably happened, and DNA testing confirms it.

this does NOT look good. at all. how can someone do that

Unless Cox had sex with her at some other time....I doubt it or he would have said so...or maybe he will.

underrated29
07-22-2011, 01:40 PM
So the girls friend was there, but she didnt have anything to say about this while it was going on?


Doesnt sound right to me....

Doggcow
07-22-2011, 01:42 PM
Cox needs Roethlisberger lawyers or he's ****ed.

LRtagger
07-22-2011, 01:42 PM
Let's not jump to conclusions. Vaughn was Cox's roommate, so he was there by default. DThomas has always been a high character guy and there is no evidence to prove otherwise here.

But if Cox really drugged that chick, he's a douchebag.

tsiguy96
07-22-2011, 01:42 PM
Unless Cox had sex with her at some other time....I doubt it or he would have said so...or maybe he will.

in which case she would file civil suit or look for child support i would imagine?

Kaylore
07-22-2011, 01:43 PM
By the way, the title of this thread is totally wrong. Nowhere in the documents does it say anyone but the defendant was present at the alleged rape. They were with her that night, but allegedly left when she passed out.

Rabb
07-22-2011, 01:44 PM
Unless Cox had sex with her at some other time....I doubt it or he would have said so...or maybe he will.

I have to read it again, but I think they state (at least one of them) that they didn't have sex prior or after

Kaylore
07-22-2011, 01:47 PM
I have to read it again, but I think they state (at least one of them) that they didn't have sex prior or after

They all denied it. Demarius Thomas volunteered his DNA. Vaughn declined until they had a warrant (or court order or whatever) and then he was ruled out. Cox also declined and then when he gave his DNA it was matched as his baby.

Hulamau
07-22-2011, 01:49 PM
Cox needs Roethlisberger lawyers or he's ****ed.

He's screwed anyway, we'll be lucky to get this season out of him before he'll be playing hide the salami in the big house the next 10 years... We need a new corner in FA big time.

LetsGoBroncos
07-22-2011, 01:49 PM
By the way, the title of this thread is totally wrong. Nowhere in the documents does it say anyone but the defendant was present at the alleged rape. They were with her that night, but allegedly left when she passed out.

Sorry, should have said "present the night of..."

Rabb
07-22-2011, 01:49 PM
Yes

I meant, I think the victim and Cox both said at some point that they had no contact sexually before or after that night

meaning, if she is knocked up, it happened that night

epicSocialism4tw
07-22-2011, 01:51 PM
By the way, the title of this thread is totally wrong. Nowhere in the documents does it say anyone but the defendant was present at the alleged rape. They were with her that night, but allegedly left when she passed out.

Yeah, it communicates that they were all three present during the act, if it occurred.

epicSocialism4tw
07-22-2011, 01:52 PM
Yes

I meant, I think the victim and Cox both said at some point that they had no contact sexually before or after that night

meaning, if she is knocked up, it happened that night

If she doesn't remember whether or not it happened that night, how can you trust that she remembers whether or not it happend another night?

Rabb
07-22-2011, 01:55 PM
If she doesn't remember whether or not it happened that night, how can you trust that she remembers whether or not it happend another night?

that would be a good point if he didn't say that they never had sex at all

epicSocialism4tw
07-22-2011, 01:56 PM
that would be a good point if he didn't say that they never had sex at all

It sounds like nobody remembers anything.

Dr. Broncenstein
07-22-2011, 01:57 PM
Have we determined if this was rape or rape-rape? Big difference.

Hercules Rockefeller
07-22-2011, 01:58 PM
Unless Cox had sex with her at some other time....I doubt it or he would have said so...or maybe he will.

Still think this is only a money grab, hence the late report?

*WARHORSE*
07-22-2011, 01:59 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_18530251

Wow. All McD draft picks. Thought he was going for character


And what was it they did wrong?


Nothing according to this. But if Thomas is saying he left AFTER she passed out, that does not look good for Cox unless Thomas says he knows they had intimate relations before he left while she was still conscious.

Rabb
07-22-2011, 02:00 PM
there has to be something more to this, right?

I mean I get that the baby thing makes this dramatically worse, but that just proves they had sex

if it was a slam dunk before, wouldn't he already be locked up?

lawyers of the OM, come on doooowwwwn

Goobzilla
07-22-2011, 02:04 PM
Yeah DT only fondled her....allegedly. "High character guy"

Requiem
07-22-2011, 02:05 PM
Just sad. Man, this team smells of drama every year in the NFL with some ridiculous tragedy or legal incident. Cox is an enormous talent, but was a huge risk. Look what happened. He's Aqib Talib times twenty on the naughty-o-meter. I'm not sure of the implications for the others. Unfortunate either way. :(

Garcia Bronco
07-22-2011, 02:10 PM
Still think this is only a money grab, hence the late report?

No. I assume that was time for a DNA test in her second trimester.

WolfpackGuy
07-22-2011, 02:12 PM
Good to see Thomas' foot injury at the time wasn't hampering his fondling hand.

Kudos on that!

BroncoLifer
07-22-2011, 02:13 PM
Good to see Thomas' foot injury at the time wasn't hampering his fondling hand.

Kudos on that!

She would have been safer with Darius Watts.

Captain 'Dre
07-22-2011, 02:23 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_18530251

Wow. All McD draft picks. Thought he was going for character

He was. Bad character, that is.

bronco militia
07-22-2011, 02:28 PM
She would have been safer with Darius Watts.

LOL

Dedhed
07-22-2011, 02:36 PM
If she doesn't remember whether or not it happened that night, how can you trust that she remembers whether or not it happend another night?

You are a complete moron.

Requiem
07-22-2011, 02:38 PM
She would have been safer with Darius Watts.

Lmao. Post of the Summer.

That One Guy
07-22-2011, 02:39 PM
So Cox says he never slept with her.

Thomas fondled her.

They were all drinking.

Thomas left after she passed out.

Doesn't look good at all. For anyone involved. Not sure "drugged" should be thrown around though.

Rulon Velvet Jones
07-22-2011, 02:39 PM
Is that where babies come from?

jhns
07-22-2011, 02:42 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_18530251

Wow. All McD draft picks. Thought he was going for character

It seems that McDaniels message was rapists are higher character guys than people that argue loudly with their girlfriends. I laughed about this when we drafted this guy. I still can't believe so many of you defended McDaniels so much. Nothing he did made any sense.

I say we trade everyone he brought in to get the old offense back.

OABB
07-22-2011, 02:45 PM
It seems that McDaniels message was rapists are higher character guys than people that argue loudly with their girlfriends. I laughed about this when we drafted this guy. I still can't believe so many of you defended McDaniels so much. Nothing he did made any sense.

I say we trade everyone he brought in to get the old offense back.

Stab wounds are a little more than arguing loudly methinks.

yerner
07-22-2011, 02:47 PM
Classy.

razorwire77
07-22-2011, 02:47 PM
It's time to seriously consider cutting this kid and adding CB # 2 to the numerous holes that need to be added via FA.

I agree something doesn't add up. If she was just trying to get paid, she could do so merely by going the bun in the oven child support route. Why add a rape allegation on top of it?

jhns
07-22-2011, 02:47 PM
Stab wounds are a little more than arguing loudly methinks.

He is a bad person for getting stabbed!

Beantown Bronco
07-22-2011, 02:50 PM
there has to be something more to this, right?

I mean I get that the baby thing makes this dramatically worse, but that just proves they had sex

if it was a slam dunk before, wouldn't he already be locked up?

lawyers of the OM, come on doooowwwwn

Assuming they don't have the same jury as Casey Anthony had, based on everything I've been reading today, I'd say he's toast......and up until today, I was one who thought the prosecution would have an impossible job of proving their case.

Beantown Bronco
07-22-2011, 02:51 PM
If she was just trying to get paid, she could do so merely by going the bun in the oven child support route. Why add a rape allegation on top of it?

Exactly. If anything, putting him in jail makes it less likely she'll ever see a dime. She's clearly not after money.

That One Guy
07-22-2011, 02:54 PM
Assuming they don't have the same jury as Casey Anthony had, based on everything I've been reading today, I'd say he's toast......and up until today, I was one who thought the prosecution would have an impossible job of proving their case.

I think they face a twist...

Cox claims he was asleep and doesn't remember having sex so she must've woke up during the night and raped him. It's possible, isn't it?

OABB
07-22-2011, 02:56 PM
He is a bad person for getting stabbed!

Yes. It wasnt an alley robbing. It was a girl he chose. Good men dont date stabbers. Also Cutler sucks. Dont forget that. Otherwise I agree with you.

DBroncos4life
07-22-2011, 02:56 PM
Why does every dumb ass drink and black out then throw out I was drugged defense. I drink. I get messed up. Sometimes I remember things other times I don't.

razorwire77
07-22-2011, 03:02 PM
Assuming they don't have the same jury as Casey Anthony had, based on everything I've been reading today, I'd say he's toast......and up until today, I was one who thought the prosecution would have an impossible job of proving their case.

I was in the same boat as far as thinking he would get off, but after the pregnancy bombshell at some point Occam's Razor comes into play.

Which the the simpler theory? The woman intentionally got pregnant as part of a complex rape scheme to sue an NFL player on a 5th round Rookie salary.

OR

PC got drunk, she got drunk (still don't know about the drugged or only 4 drinks part) and passed out. PC got horny and hopped on. She woke up the next morning.

bfoflcommish
07-22-2011, 03:03 PM
I said this back in December when it came out.
cox and bey bey came through our haunted house together with a couple fine young ladies just a couple weeks prior, wonder if thats a clue?
This was wonderful mangoblins repsonse to me
Did you seriously just ask if them attending a haunted house together is a clue as to whether or not they gang raped somebody?

this is on 9news right now

The victim and her friend didn't see Cox or Thomas until Oct. 22, 2010, when the four went to a haunted house. The victim says Thomas and Cox told her she looked like she had put on weight, saying "she must be pregnant." When she asked them what they were talking about, Thomas got upset and left.

k9-style
07-22-2011, 03:04 PM
Hey Cox they have these things called condoms. You might do well to figure out just what exactly they are.

Dedhed
07-22-2011, 03:08 PM
Yeah DT only fondled her....allegedly. "High character guy"

WHILE SHE WAS AWAKE!

broncolife
07-22-2011, 03:09 PM
Vaughn might be lucky his sperm isnt as strong as Cox's. I doubt Thomas did anything or he would have came out with a new injury.

That One Guy
07-22-2011, 03:09 PM
I was in the same boat as far as thinking he would get off, but after the pregnancy bombshell at some point Occam's Razor comes into play.

Which the the simpler theory? The woman intentionally got pregnant as part of a complex rape scheme to sue an NFL player on a 5th round Rookie salary.

OR

PC got drunk, she got drunk (still don't know about the drugged or only 4 drinks part) and passed out. PC got horny and hopped on. She woke up the next morning.

Don't forget the always possible she just doesn't remember what happened 'cause she was liquored up factor.

The important part here is if Thomas actually said she was passed out when he left and I'm presuming they didn't pork before then but in the chance that they were both awake, it should be fair game or they raped each other. If two people get plastered, how can you charge one with rape?

Rabb
07-22-2011, 03:11 PM
I was in the same boat as far as thinking he would get off, but after the pregnancy bombshell at some point Occam's Razor comes into play.

Which the the simpler theory? The woman intentionally got pregnant as part of a complex rape scheme to sue an NFL player on a 5th round Rookie salary.

OR

PC got drunk, she got drunk (still don't know about the drugged or only 4 drinks part) and passed out. PC got horny and hopped on. She woke up the next morning.

well you nailed it, because he did

Rabb
07-22-2011, 03:12 PM
serious question

if you are both drunk and don't remember it...and assuming nobody else saw what happened

can it be rape?

epicSocialism4tw
07-22-2011, 03:20 PM
serious question

if you are both drunk and don't remember it...and assuming nobody else saw what happened

can it be rape?

That's what I don't like about this.

With murder, you have a dead person. With theft you have an object missing. With rape you have an accusation that sometimes boils down to a difference of opinion between people who were inebriated beyond their capacity to control themselves.

Rock Chalk
07-22-2011, 03:22 PM
serious question

if you are both drunk and don't remember it...and assuming nobody else saw what happened

can it be rape?

Yes, for the man.

See, in our society, if a women doesn't recall giving her consent because she was ****faced and the man doesn't recall the sex at all cause he was ****faced, thats date rape and the man goes to jail.

****ed up isn't it?

razorwire77
07-22-2011, 03:33 PM
Don't forget the always possible she just doesn't remember what happened 'cause she was liquored up factor.

The important part here is if Thomas actually said she was passed out when he left and I'm presuming they didn't pork before then but in the chance that they were both awake, it should be fair game or they raped each other. If two people get plastered, how can you charge one with rape?

You're right, I should have added the eye-witness account from DT saying that she was passed out in the article.

So we basically have the elaborate false rape/pregnancy in an attempt to extort money (which she would already get from paternity litigation) scenario.

OR:

D.T. was making out with her, but realized she was piss drunk passing out. Due to the fact that he's not a rapist he said "I'm out." This left Cox and the passed out woman alone. Cox was drunk and horny. She was passed out and there, so he jumped on board without a condom. She woke up the next day.

Yeah, which story is a jury going to buy?

It's time to cut this ass hat and find another mediocre non raping # 2 CB.

epicSocialism4tw
07-22-2011, 03:36 PM
You're right, I should have added the eye-witness account from DT saying that she was passed out in the article.

So we basically have the elaborate false rape/pregnancy in an attempt to extort money (which she would already get from paternity litigation) scenario.

OR:

D.T. was making out with her, but realized she was piss drunk passing out. Due to the fact that he's not a rapist he said "I'm out." This left Cox and the passed out woman alone. Cox was drunk and horny. She was passed out and there he jumped on board and she woke up the next day.

Yeah, which story is a jury going to buy?

It's time to cut this ass hat and find another mediocre non raping # 2 CB.


Or they could have both been inebriated and at some point in their hazy time together had relations.

She doesn't remember. I don't think you can convince someone of a rape that the victim doesn't remember.

People wake up next to mistakes all the time. On Jersey Shore they're called "grenades". Hilarious!

bfoflcommish
07-22-2011, 03:39 PM
Or they could have both been inebriated and at some point in their hazy time together had relations.

She doesn't remember. I don't think you can convince someone of a rape that the victim doesn't remember.

People wake up next to mistakes all the time. On Jersey Shore they're called "grenades". Hilarious!

this may be true, but when the defendant is texting over and over again saying nothing happened, along with one of his buddies leaving the scene of confrontation month later knowing what happened weeks earlier and putting 2 and 2 together deosnt look good for Cox at all.

That One Guy
07-22-2011, 03:44 PM
this may be true, but when the defendant is texting over and over again saying nothing happened, along with one of his buddies leaving the scene of confrontation month later knowing what happened weeks earlier and putting 2 and 2 together deosnt look good for Cox at all.

But as he said, what if he truly doesn't remember having sex with her?

bfoflcommish
07-22-2011, 03:46 PM
But as he said, what if he truly doesn't remember having sex with her?

I dont know about others but i wouldnt be adament over numerous texts saying no, i'd be like i really dont remember if anything happened

bfoflcommish
07-22-2011, 03:47 PM
saying i dont remember anything happening would look alot less incriminating, than lots of texts saying nothing happened at all then later finding out kid is yours

barryr
07-22-2011, 04:06 PM
Whether it is true or not, who knows at this point, but it just amazes me how many professional players stupidly put themselves in such predicaments. I would let Cox go if he is even found innocent. You don't win with dummies on your roster.

epicSocialism4tw
07-22-2011, 04:09 PM
Whether it is true or not, who knows at this point, but it just amazes me how many professional players stupidly put themselves in such predicaments. I would let Cox go if he is even found innocent. You don't win with dummies on your roster.

Man, you'd be surprised. Many of these guys are in these kinds of "predicaments" every weekend. Young people with big money. Imagine getting every materialistic thing you ever wanted at 24...beautiful women, cars, money to throw around at the club. Its a recipe for disaster and its why most of these guys have their homeboys from the neighborhood in their entourages to prevent this stuff from happening.

barryr
07-22-2011, 04:15 PM
Man, you'd be surprised. Many of these guys are in these kinds of "predicaments" every weekend. Young people with big money. Imagine getting every materialistic thing you ever wanted at 24...beautiful women, cars, money to throw around at the club. Its a recipe for disaster and its why most of these guys have their homeboys from the neighborhood in their entourages to prevent this stuff from happening.

Yep, many do need guidance since many do not know what they are doing and get taken advantage of that is for sure. But others really should never be in such a position of having the fame and the money since no matter who they have around them, they do such stupid things over and over again and never learn until too late. Cox already came to the NFL with problems and now this? I would not have much patience with him as maybe I would with someone who was pretty much squeaky clean in college, but did something stupid once in the NFL. Cox seems to make poor decisions to say the least no matter.

mkporter
07-22-2011, 04:25 PM
I was pretty willing to give Cox the benefit of the doubt, but after reading the whole affidavit, it sure doesn't look good for him. Thomas says he was with her to the point that she passed out, and then he bailed. The woman basically recounts the same thing, except she didn't know when she passed out (she was sure it was going to be Thomas as the father, as the last thing she remembers was fooling around with him). I think Cox even said she was passed out.

It is hard to say that she and Cox were both drunk and fooling around, when it has been pretty well established that she was passed out prior to anything possibly happening between them. Cox was adamant that he never had sex with her, and he made no claims of blacking out that night.

Thomas doesn't come out looking all that great in this, but it does seem that he gave up once it was clear that she was too drunk.

Hercules Rockefeller
07-22-2011, 04:34 PM
http://www.9news.com/pdfs/Perrish-Cox-Arrest-Warrant.pdf

Here's the entire affadavit for those who haven't read it.

Would love those of you claiming "mutual drunkeness" between Cox and the victim to tell me where in Cox's own statements to the police (page 8) that he claims he's too drunk to remember what happened that night.

oubronco
07-22-2011, 04:37 PM
this chick finds out she was pregnant, doesnt remember how then goes to the cops to say where she was when it probably happened, and DNA testing confirms it.

this does NOT look good. at all. how can someone do that

So did Cox's girlfriend just watch?

razorwire77
07-22-2011, 04:47 PM
Time to cut him and continue the purge. As far as I'm concerned he can play projectile helmet tag with Nate Webster in the shower. It's not like he was some sort of juggernaut or something. Cox was basically a less speedy and less instinctive version of D-Will RIP.

So other than completely unobtainable FA's like Asommugha (sp?) Who's could we sign after the 48-72 hour FA signing frenzy?

Drayton Florence?

Chris Houston?

bfoflcommish
07-22-2011, 04:48 PM
So did Cox's girlfriend just watch?

sounds like she was passed out in the room. read early it says her and cox went to the bedroom. it never mentions she came back out with him while other stuff was happening

Dedhed
07-22-2011, 04:58 PM
its why most of these guys have their homeboys from the neighborhood in their entourages to prevent this stuff from happening.Are you really this daft?

Rabb
07-22-2011, 05:06 PM
http://www.9news.com/pdfs/Perrish-Cox-Arrest-Warrant.pdf

Here's the entire affadavit for those who haven't read it.

Would love those of you claiming "mutual drunkeness" between Cox and the victim to tell me where in Cox's own statements to the police (page 8) that he claims he's too drunk to remember what happened that night.

for the record, I wasn't implying he was...I was asking in general what the deal is

extralife
07-22-2011, 05:09 PM
just cut all three of them. I'm really sick of all these assholes always ending up on the Broncos.

Dr. Broncenstein
07-22-2011, 05:11 PM
I read the affidavit.

Dude stated on the record that he never had a sexual relationship with the victim. Victim says same thing. Yet she winds up pregnant, with DNA proof that Cox is the father. Seems like a slam dunk case for the prosecution. So obviously Cox will be exonerated.

KevinJames
07-22-2011, 05:53 PM
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Hercules Rockefeller
07-22-2011, 05:54 PM
I read the affidavit.

Dude stated on the record that he never had a sexual relationship with the victim. Victim says same thing. Yet she winds up pregnant, with DNA proof that Cox is the father. Seems like a slam dunk case for the prosecution. So obviously Cox will be exonerated.

That's usually the way the system works.

oubronco
07-22-2011, 06:11 PM
serious question if you are both drunk and don't remember it...and assuming nobody else saw what happened can it be rape?

Apparently

Swedish Extrovert
07-22-2011, 06:22 PM
This is her



How do you know this?

OABB
07-22-2011, 06:38 PM
She seems sweet.

Agamemnon
07-22-2011, 07:10 PM
This is her

I'm sure she's never had sex with a guy and not remembered the next day...::)

razorwire77
07-22-2011, 08:05 PM
I'm sure she's never had sex with a guy and not remembered the next day...::)

Facebook is literally inundated with thousands of girls in their early 20's who take similar pictures and dressing provocatively. I suppose that means a guy can throw his cock in any of them if they pass out at his house.

extralife
07-22-2011, 08:14 PM
"she was asking for it" is obviously an intellectual, airtight defense. this is the kind of innovative and progressive thinking I would expect from someone named after the funny and talented Kevin James.

Agamemnon
07-22-2011, 08:28 PM
Facebook is literally inundated with thousands of girls in their early 20's who take similar pictures and dressing provocatively. I suppose that means a guy can throw his cock in any of them if they pass out at his house.

No it means that when they find themselves in these situations having chosen to drink too much and pass out I tend to doubt their story. Especially seeing as she doesn't remember what happened one way or the other.

Not saying she's necessarily lying (and he's actually been caught in a lie at this point), just that these situations get really muddy when the supposed victim clearly has a lifestyle that makes random drunken encounters more likely.

One of the things that bother me about these kinds of cases is that both parties were probably super drunk, but for some reason we assume that the guy is responsible for his actions while the woman is a helpless victim. The truth is that there's no way to know, and if Cox gets convicted it means that every guy that takes a drunk girl home and has sex with her could possibly be convicted of rape as well. All it takes is her not remembering the encounter and claiming you jumped her while she was passed out.

He may be guilty of consciously raping her while she was passed out, but until there's some solid proof (and her being pregnant certainly isn't it) I'm not going to condemn the guy as a rapist. He's clearly a dumbass though.

That One Guy
07-22-2011, 08:39 PM
No it means that when they find themselves in these situations having chosen to drink too much and pass out I tend to doubt their story. Especially seeing as she doesn't remember what happened one way or the other.

Not saying she's necessarily lying (and he's actually been caught in a lie at this point), just that these situations get really muddy when the supposed victim clearly has a lifestyle that makes random drunken encounters more likely.

One of the things that bother me about these kinds of cases is that both parties were probably super drunk, but for some reason we assume that the guy is responsible for his actions while the woman is a helpless victim. The truth is that there's no way to know, and if Cox gets convicted it means that every guy that takes a drunk girl home and has sex with her could possibly be convicted of rape as well. All it takes is her not remembering the encounter and claiming you jumped her while she was passed out.

He may be guilty of consciously raping her while she was passed out, but until there's some solid proof (and her being pregnant certainly isn't it) I'm not going to condemn the guy as a rapist. He's clearly a dumbass though.

Yep, she said she does remember getting fondled up when I think it said they had just met. If a chick lets you fondle her on the first date, I don't think it's too presumptuous to assume she's putting out. Whether he raped her or not, we can't say and the world will probably never know but if she were your everyday person with respectable morals, there's less questions involved.

razorwire77
07-22-2011, 08:45 PM
No it means that when they find themselves in these situations having chosen to drink too much and pass out I tend to doubt their story. Especially seeing as she doesn't remember what happened one way or the other.

Not saying she's necessarily lying (and he's actually been caught in a lie at this point), just that these situations get really muddy when the supposed victim clearly has a lifestyle that makes random drunken encounters more likely.

One of the things that bother me about these kinds of cases is that both parties were probably super drunk, but for some reason we assume that the guy is responsible for his actions while the woman is a helpless victim. The truth is that there's no way to know, and if Cox gets convicted it means that every guy that takes a drunk girl home and has sex with her could possibly be convicted of rape as well. All it takes is her not remembering the encounter and claiming you jumped her while she was passed out.

He may be guilty of consciously raping her while she was passed out, but until there's some solid proof (and her being pregnant certainly isn't it) I'm not going to condemn the guy as a rapist. He's clearly a dumbass though.

Jesus Christ, what do you consider evidence? A rape allegation has been made by the girl saying that she felt drugged and passed out. An eye-witness, who is Cox's teammate and friend, not her friend has stated that when he left when the girl "passed out." And last but not least, he ****ing impregnated her after vehemently denying that he had sex with her. The only thing missing is the golden shower video. Before all of this came to light, I adopted a weight and see approach, but at this point the guy has done everything but scream "I AM A RAPIST!!!" At the top of the Quest Building. Cut his ass and let's sign a mediocre non-rapist FA 2nd CB as opposed to a rapist mediocre 2nd CB.

That One Guy
07-22-2011, 08:58 PM
Jesus Christ, what do you consider evidence? A rape allegation has been made by the girl saying that she felt drugged and passed out. An eye-witness, who is Cox's teammate and friend, not her friend has stated that when he left when the girl "passed out." And last but not least, he ****ing impregnated her after vehemently denying that he had sex with her. The only thing missing is the golden shower video. Before all of this came to light, I adopted a weight and see approach, but at this point the guy has done everything but scream "I AM A RAPIST!!!" At the top of the Quest Building. Cut his ass and let's sign a mediocre non-rapist FA 2nd CB as opposed to a rapist mediocre 2nd CB.

Passed out can mean many different things though. It can mean your body goes into alcohol poison prevention mode, it can mean you've been drugged, or it can appear you've passed out but the booze has just made you sleepy. If it's either of the first two, she probably sleeps the night away. If it's the last, I've seen people that don't usually drink 5 beers in and their head is flopping around and their eyelids barely open. Give them a quick snooze and they might be back on their feet.

Odds are that he raped her. I just don't think one who has money and can get whoever he wants goes from normal straight to drugging a girl. Especially when it was mentioned that he went to bed with his own girlfriend - who bangs one girl while drugging then raping another? If you still have more in ya, impress the first one and keep going.

Hercules Rockefeller
07-22-2011, 09:11 PM
For the people who think Cox was drunk, read the arrest warrant affidavit. At no point in any of his statements does he claim to be drunk, he actually has a pretty good recollection of the evening months later, just denying that they had sex.

That One Guy
07-22-2011, 09:18 PM
For the people who think Cox was drunk, read the arrest warrant affidavit. At no point in any of his statements does he claim to be drunk, he actually has a pretty good recollection of the evening months later, just denying that they had sex.

Well there ya go, I thought it was assumed that they were all drinking.

If he doesn't have that and is just trying to claim nothing ever happened... then, yeah, he's screwed.

fdf
07-22-2011, 09:23 PM
Don't forget the always possible she just doesn't remember what happened 'cause she was liquored up factor.


Blackout drinkers would have this type of experience not infrequently. There are a lot of them.

epicSocialism4tw
07-22-2011, 09:54 PM
Are those really her pictures?

schaaf
07-22-2011, 10:22 PM
Yes it is, it's been out for a while that the victim was Camille Washington and those are just a SMALL sample of her "revealing" pictures

KevinJames
07-22-2011, 10:33 PM
"she was asking for it" is obviously an intellectual, airtight defense. this is the kind of innovative and progressive thinking I would expect from someone named after the funny and talented Kevin James.
i was just showing people her pics

Facebook is literally inundated with thousands of girls in their early 20's who take similar pictures and dressing provocatively. I suppose that means a guy can throw his cock in any of them if they pass out at his house.

im sure thats what happened.....

lets be real here you think a prof. athlete is gonna f*^k an unconscious girl.....really!? cmon man

they were probably both drunk and he beat that pus*y up no big deal but he is a dumbass for not strappin up and shes screaming rape for the obvious money grab.

I bet the truth is there wasn't anybody actually raping her....

and yeah these girls on facebook dressing like that are attracting the wrong kind of guys obviously, they are setting themselves up for it. I have no sympathy for these hoes. sorry.

Boomhauer
07-22-2011, 10:45 PM
Yeah DT only fondled her....allegedly. "High character guy"

Was thinking the same thing...............
1- Cox and his girlfriend setup a mutual date between Thomas and this chic and all head back to Cox's place
2- Chic thinks she was drugged and remembers blacking out with Thomas kissing and fondling her
3- Thomas claims to have left once she blacked out
4- Next day she's pretty sure she was raped (by how many?), and finds out later Cox got her pregnant

Boomhauer
07-22-2011, 10:48 PM
Are those really her pictures?

If they are, I have no doubt that chic can handle her liquor and wouldn't be phased by four drinks.

broncolife
07-22-2011, 10:52 PM
I think the girlfriend did it. She screwed Cox that night and then saved his man juice and artificial inseminated her friend. Yep reasonable doubt, I am pretty sure the casey anthony jury would buy it.

BroncoMan4ever
07-22-2011, 10:55 PM
jesus christ when did the Broncos turn into Bengals 2.0?

extralife
07-22-2011, 11:16 PM
i was just showing people her pics

they are setting themselves up for it. I have no sympathy for these hoes.

usually even a dip**** will try not to play innocent and then make the exact same claim he attempted to refute in the very same post.

razorwire77
07-22-2011, 11:28 PM
i was just showing people her pics



im sure thats what happened.....

lets be real here you think a prof. athlete is gonna f*^k an unconscious girl.....really!? cmon man

they were probably both drunk and he beat that pus*y up no big deal but he is a dumbass for not strappin up and shes screaming rape for the obvious money grab.

I bet the truth is there wasn't anybody actually raping her....

and yeah these girls on facebook dressing like that are attracting the wrong kind of guys obviously, they are setting themselves up for it. I have no sympathy for these hoes. sorry.

I actually feel bad for you bro. The hatred you have for women is just dripping out of this post.

KevinJames
07-22-2011, 11:31 PM
usually even a dip**** will try not to play innocent and then make the exact same claim he attempted to refute in the very same post.

when was I trying to to refute anything?

I said I was just showing people her pics which I was and I also said I have no sympathy for these hoes

Shananahan
07-22-2011, 11:33 PM
lets be real here you think a prof. athlete is gonna f*^k an unconscious girl.....really!?
Well..... yes!?

KipCorrington25
07-22-2011, 11:57 PM
jesus christ when did the Broncos turn into Bengals 2.0?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XFWmNyyPSTQ/SwrHpIGWE3I/AAAAAAAAAl8/GfWloLE5KPQ/s400/josh+mcdaniels+sucks.jpg

ChrisToker
07-23-2011, 12:41 AM
Sad sad day to be a Broncos fan. If its true (not looking good for Cox ,giggity, w/ denial of consenting sex) then he should rot!

Not sure how the man can get a fair trial after the Denver Post & Associated Press force the reports to be public just to sale a few papers. Guilty till proven innocent.

His name is ironic if you think about it....

cutthemdown
07-23-2011, 03:22 AM
I hate to say this but I am ashamed often recently to be a Broncos fan. Hell yes we need Tebow. We need a leader this team can respect, someone we know won't let us down off the field. Hell we are worst then the Raiders now with all the off field problems our players have been having. It's embarrassing and shameful.

Not only does it look like he raped her, but he didn't even have the decency to wear a rubber. I really wish the Broncos would just cut him. I know they probably can't until its a football decision or he gets convicted, not sure about that though. Honestly they should cut Thomas and Vaughn also as it sounds like they are shady to me as well. She says she slightly remembers Thomas fondling her before she passed out. Hell they probably all took a turn and just cox the unlucky one who scored with the baby.

These are tough times to be a Broncos fan. We are going to have to ride it out, what else can we do. I for one am ecstatic to have Tebow on the team. He's already my favorite Bronco. He actually inspires me. I am drunk right now and sounding gay, but I am serious, Tebow makes me want to try and be a better person and help people that need it. Anyone who thinks this kid is going to be east to stop is crazy. He has 3 snaps to make 10 yrds for a first down. The kid is a beast, a scrapper, and has incredible faith in god. I know many on the board not religious but hear me out. Sometimes when people who have faith pray to god we get this rush through our bodies that is hard to describe. It's like he is telling us don't worry, go all out, take chances but do them with a pure heart. Forge ahead and I will be right beside you every step. Tebow is going to inspire our team. I think at first some won't buy into him, we will have to weed them out.

IMO people who rape drunken women won't be buying into the Tebow way of being a family. I want to believe he is innocent, but the chick has his baby, she says she did not consent, it's hard to believe the Broncos.

All 3 of them may have partied in her that night IMO. Take the safe road and cut the whole lot of them. Send a message to the team, to the nfl, to the fans that there is a new sheriff in town, his name is Elway, his qb is Tebow, and they won't have drunks, druggies, rapists are people who commit acts of violence.

I love the Broncos so much. To this day Mobley knocking that last pass down is one of the best moments I can remember. I know I know it's supposed to be kids, family, but I have bled Bronco Orange since I was 6 friggin yrs old. I used to come home and work my ass off around the house or my mom would not let me watch the games. Mostly they weren't even Broncos on but it was the only way i knew to find updates back then. I was only a young pre teen kid when Raiders were in LA and I would beg dad to take me to the games. I wore my gear into the den then and I was so proud to be a broncos fan. Back then we had never even won, I didn't care I loved the Broncos even when the Raiders trounced us most games.

But now, even though we have Superbowls, I am starting to not be proud of the team. It sucks! I hope to all end that Elway can turn this thing around. If anyone can he can. I really believe Elway loves the Broncos like we do. It's not a job to him, he knows how important this is, this is a mission. A mission to restore what we have lost, and rebuild or team into something where every player on it is someone we are proud of.

CUT THAT RAPING PIECE OF CRAP.

P.S I know he is innocent until proven guilty, and that this girl could be lying, but it just doesn't feel like it from reading the facts of the case. I will still hold out hope though that this is all a Duke Lacross type situation. Seriously it makes me sick to my stomach to picture 3 of our players taking advantage of a drunken passed out girl.

MagicHef
07-23-2011, 04:19 AM
So this girl was Thomas' date? He took her out, and when she passed out, he just left her unconscious at a pretty sketchy guy's place? He doesn't really sound like a dream catch himself.

Jay3
07-23-2011, 04:52 AM
The whole thing is revolting.

McDman
07-23-2011, 05:09 AM
I got hella drunk at a show the other weekend and have flashes of making out with a larger than average girl, I was raped! I swear I didn't want to do it.

Drek
07-23-2011, 07:06 AM
So this girl was Thomas' date? He took her out, and when she passed out, he just left her unconscious at a pretty sketchy guy's place? He doesn't really sound like a dream catch himself.

She was supposedly there accompanying Cox's girlfriend, a friend of hers. Not explicitly there with Thomas.

The negative reaction towards Thomas also seems largely unfounded. He claims he left her with Cox and her friend when she passed out. He's the only one to volunteer DNA evidence, which he obviously wouldn't have done if he thought there was even the slightest chance it could implicate him. Sounds like the most well corroborated story to come out from that evening.

Cox on the other hand has an obvious conflict between his presentation of the events and the factual results from that night. He didn't claim to be impared himself and insisted he never had sex with her. Now she's pregnant with his child. He obviously never took "Talking to Cops 101". The "anything you say can and will be used against you" isn't a joke. They take lengthy, broad statements so they can pick them apart and poke holes in them to discredit you. That is the very fiber of how a detective builds a case. Cox didn't just have some factual inaccuracies, he made outright false statements that strongly implicate him. Even Rapistburger's "bribe the whole town, cops and all" approach likely wouldn't get him out of this now.

As for why the Broncos haven't cut him yet: the NFL hasn't been open for business all summer and prior to that the evidence disclosed was far more limited. Until the union re-certifies and a new CBA is in place their hands are tied.

Gcver2ver3
07-23-2011, 07:12 AM
I think they face a twist...

Cox claims he was asleep and doesn't remember having sex so she must've woke up during the night and raped him. It's possible, isn't it?

absolutely!...very possible and common...










in porn flicks...

Cito Pelon
07-23-2011, 07:49 AM
This does not look like it will end well for Cox.

Her story is a little fishy, but his looks much worse.

Have to wait and see how it all plays out, of course.

txtebow
07-23-2011, 07:56 AM
He should be cut promptly.

1) he lied to police about not having sex with her

2) acknowledged that he knew she was passed out

= welcome to the State Pen.....

Cito Pelon
07-23-2011, 08:06 AM
You're right, I should have added the eye-witness account from DT saying that she was passed out in the article.

So we basically have the elaborate false rape/pregnancy in an attempt to extort money (which she would already get from paternity litigation) scenario.

OR:

D.T. was making out with her, but realized she was piss drunk passing out. Due to the fact that he's not a rapist he said "I'm out." This left Cox and the passed out woman alone. Cox was drunk and horny. She was passed out and there, so he jumped on board without a condom. She woke up the next day.

Yeah, which story is a jury going to buy?

It's time to cut this ass hat and find another mediocre non raping # 2 CB.

No, Cox's date was also in the apartment.

There's a lot of details about the incident that are not in the article. Like, where was the air-mattress? In the second bedroom, the third bedroom, the livingroom floor? The article says she woke up to see Vaughn in the "room" looking for a backpack, that's all it says.

Then the FOUR of them have breakfast (Cox, Vaughn, Cox's date, and the alleged victim), watch movies. Cox and Vaughn tell them to shower - I would too, who wants to hang out with girls that haven't showered after a night of partying? Apparently, the ladies wanted to hang around with them.

There's a lot of details that we don't see in this article. Have to wait for the details and a jury's decision.

theAPAOps5
07-23-2011, 08:11 AM
No, Cox's date was also in the apartment.

There's a lot of details about the incident that are not in the article. Like, where was the air-mattress? In the second bedroom, the third bedroom, the livingroom floor? The article says she woke up to see Vaughn in the "room" looking for a backpack, that's all it says.

Then the FOUR of them have breakfast (Cox, Vaughn, Cox's date, and the alleged victim), watch movies. Cox and Vaughn tell them to shower - I would too, who wants to hang out with girls that haven't showered after a night of partying? Apparently, the ladies wanted to hang around with them.

There's a lot of details that we don't see in this article. Have to wait for the details and a jury's decision.

That article is relaying the details of the affidavit which doesn't explain when and where the matress were, etc. I agree details need to be given to tie the story together but regardless Cix clearly is in some deep trouble.

rugbythug
07-23-2011, 08:13 AM
I respect the woman not getting an abortion.

oubronco
07-23-2011, 08:18 AM
Did Cox's girlfriend watch or join in the fun? There's just not enough info here

mkporter
07-23-2011, 08:35 AM
i was just showing people her pics



im sure thats what happened.....

lets be real here you think a prof. athlete is gonna f*^k an unconscious girl.....really!? cmon man

they were probably both drunk and he beat that pus*y up no big deal but he is a dumbass for not strappin up and shes screaming rape for the obvious money grab.

I bet the truth is there wasn't anybody actually raping her....

and yeah these girls on facebook dressing like that are attracting the wrong kind of guys obviously, they are setting themselves up for it. I have no sympathy for these hoes. sorry.

You've got some women issues, man. Read the affidavit, and then see if you continue to be so cavalier in your attitude towards this "ho."
-The victim and her girlfriend (clearly experienced on the party circuit) both blackout after having four drinks over the course of several hours.
-Thomas and the victim made out on the ride home, and when they got to the apartment. He said he left when she passed out.
-Cox went to bed with his girlfriend, and by all accounts has no trouble remembering any of the evening.
-Cox repeatedly denies every having sex with her. The victim also repeatedly denies having sex with him.
-Victim wakes up the next morning concerned that someone ****ed her.
-Victim goes to the hospital a couple days to see if she can be tested for being drugged. They say it is too late.
-Victim finds out she is pregnant a few weeks later.
-DNA tests shows it is Cox.

Cito Pelon
07-23-2011, 08:35 AM
http://www.9news.com/pdfs/Perrish-Cox-Arrest-Warrant.pdf

Here's the entire affadavit for those who haven't read it.

Would love those of you claiming "mutual drunkeness" between Cox and the victim to tell me where in Cox's own statements to the police (page 8) that he claims he's too drunk to remember what happened that night.

Thanks for posting the actual sheriff's report.

Doesn't look good for Cox.

Cito Pelon
07-23-2011, 08:41 AM
That article is relaying the details of the affidavit which doesn't explain when and where the matress were, etc. I agree details need to be given to tie the story together but regardless Cix clearly is in some deep trouble.

http://www.9news.com/pdfs/Perrish-Cox-Arrest-Warrant.pdf

There is the link to the actual sheriff's report on the incident from Hercules Rockefeller post #69.

It doesn't look good RE Cox.

Cito Pelon
07-23-2011, 08:42 AM
I respect the woman not getting an abortion.

She got an abortion.

Carmelo15
07-23-2011, 08:46 AM
This is her

http://img0.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/13002/130028002f0fe73f9cf32696cbceba06bfe79888.jpg

The one on the left is the one who was Cox's "girlfriend". Her name is Carthy she's a former go-go dancer at the club I work at so I know her pretty well. She's now a promoter at another club so I still keep in contact with her as recently as Wednesday. I don't know Camille at all other than having met her a few times so I can't speak on her. As far as Carthy, she's a nice girl but she's also stupid as hell. I'm talking borderline retarded. Before she got with Cox she was the girlfriend of a coworker of mine. They were still together when Cox first had sex with her so she's not exactly high class. I'm still cool with her because although she's a dumbass and easy, she's always been a nice person.

Having said that I have heard her account of the what happened that night. I never felt comfortable asking her myself but I was sitting right there when another coworker asked about it.

She confirms that Bey Bey left that night and that he and Camille didn't even do anything other than she danced on him and made out with him. He left because she was all drunk talking about wanting to have a baby with him and he got pissed off and left. Dead serious. Carthy went to bed with Perrish and passed out. As far as Camille and Perrish Cox that night, she refused to discuss as she considered him her "boyfriend" at the time so she gets pretty pissed about it.

Anyways that's as much as I know. I didn't want to talk about it before or mention Carthy's name when this news had come out before because I didn't want to implicate anything or anyone who hadn't been mentioned publicly already. But that's not the case anymore. Sounds like Cox is done.

montrose
07-23-2011, 08:49 AM
Just finished reading the affidativ, wouldnt be suprised at all to see Cox and Thomas gone after reading that thing. Interestingly, Thomas comes off as the real creeper and obvious suspect until you get to the DNA linking Cox.

Crazy thing is, I've heard these types of nights are pretty common with today's athlete... up until the actual raping. Picking up drunk girls at the club and bringing them home to hook up isnt all that rare - that crap happens every week - but unfortantly for the parties involved when someone crosses the line it sheds light on the whle situation and makes everyone look bad, even the victum and the innocent parties.

Cito Pelon
07-23-2011, 08:51 AM
Did Cox's girlfriend watch or join in the fun? There's just not enough info here

See p. 7 of the affidavit. It will probably be excluded from evidence as hearsay in the trial, though.

Cito Pelon
07-23-2011, 09:07 AM
The one on the left is the one who was Cox's "girlfriend". Her name is Carthy she's a former go-go dancer at the club I work at so I know her pretty well. She's now a promoter at another club so I still keep in contact with her as recently as Wednesday. I don't know Camille at all other than having met her a few times so I can't speak on her. As far as Carthy, she's a nice girl but she's also stupid as hell. I'm talking borderline retarded. Before she got with Cox she was the girlfriend of a coworker of mine. They were still together when Cox first had sex with her so she's not exactly high class. I'm still cool with her because although she's a dumbass and easy, she's always been a nice person.

Having said that I have heard her account of the what happened that night. I never felt comfortable asking her myself but I was sitting right there when another coworker asked about it.

She confirms that Bey Bey left that night and that he and Camille didn't even do anything other than she danced on him and made out with him. He left because she was all drunk talking about wanting to have a baby with him and he got pissed off and left. Dead serious. Carthy went to bed with Perrish and passed out. Cassius wasn't just "in the room getting his bag". Camile sucked him up early that morning and according to Carthy, fully remembers doing so. As far as Camille and Perrish Cox that night, she refused to discuss as she considered him her "boyfriend" at the time so she gets pretty pissed about it.

Anyways that's as much as I know. I didn't want to talk about it before or mention Carthy's name when this news had come out before because I didn't want to implicate anything or anyone who hadn't been mentioned publicly already. But that's not the case anymore. Sounds like Cox is done.

So what is a "white party"?

Obviously, the alleged victim is someone who wants to have sex with black Bronco players, she went to Wesley Woodyard for sex after looking for sex with Bey Bey. Hell, she stated in the affidavit she sat on Thomas' lap facing him on the ride from the club to Cox' apartment. She was wanting something, obviously, and that would have been Thomas' penis.

This story is a long way from it's conclusion.

TheReverend
07-23-2011, 09:21 AM
The one on the left is the one who was Cox's "girlfriend". Her name is Carthy she's a former go-go dancer at the club I work at so I know her pretty well. She's now a promoter at another club so I still keep in contact with her as recently as Wednesday. I don't know Camille at all other than having met her a few times so I can't speak on her. As far as Carthy, she's a nice girl but she's also stupid as hell. I'm talking borderline retarded. Before she got with Cox she was the girlfriend of a coworker of mine. They were still together when Cox first had sex with her so she's not exactly high class. I'm still cool with her because although she's a dumbass and easy, she's always been a nice person.

Having said that I have heard her account of the what happened that night. I never felt comfortable asking her myself but I was sitting right there when another coworker asked about it.

She confirms that Bey Bey left that night and that he and Camille didn't even do anything other than she danced on him and made out with him. He left because she was all drunk talking about wanting to have a baby with him and he got pissed off and left. Dead serious. Carthy went to bed with Perrish and passed out. As far as Camille and Perrish Cox that night, she refused to discuss as she considered him her "boyfriend" at the time so she gets pretty pissed about it.

Anyways that's as much as I know. I didn't want to talk about it before or mention Carthy's name when this news had come out before because I didn't want to implicate anything or anyone who hadn't been mentioned publicly already. But that's not the case anymore. Sounds like Cox is done.

Is this as reliable as your Champ and DJ draft information?

montrose
07-23-2011, 09:23 AM
So what is a "white party"?

It says in the affidativ it was a themed party at the club that night that everyone was to wear all white.

Carmelo15
07-23-2011, 09:38 AM
Is this as reliable as your Champ and DJ draft information?

Yep that's what I like to do, I make up rumors about draft strategies and rape charges.

This is a Broncos board so if I have any kind of info Broncos related I share it with my fellow fans. Whether someone chooses to believe me or not is their perogative. But I know there are people on here that appreciate it, as I would, so I'll continue to share

Hercules Rockefeller
07-23-2011, 09:39 AM
See p. 7 of the affidavit. It will probably be excluded from evidence as hearsay in the trial, though.

It's irrelevant

TheReverend
07-23-2011, 09:44 AM
Yep that's what I like to do, I make up rumors about draft strategies and rape charges.

This is a Broncos board so if I have any kind of info Broncos related I share it with my fellow fans. Whether someone chooses to believe me or not is their perogative. But I know there are people on here that appreciate it, as I would, so I'll continue to share

It was a pretty valid question and you didn't answer.

Punisher
07-23-2011, 10:02 AM
smh

Garcia Bronco
07-23-2011, 10:13 AM
lol...nevermind.

k9-style
07-23-2011, 12:52 PM
Enter the ghost of Johnny Cochran...

Even if the defendant won't admit, after DNA he wouldn't submit, confirms his sperm he did transmit, but if one of the witnesses decided to split, after the fondling of some tit, while the alleged victim was too lit, well then you must acquit.

oubronco
07-23-2011, 01:02 PM
Enter the ghost of Johnny Cochran...

Even if the defendant won't admit, after DNA he wouldn't submit, confirms his sperm did transmit, but if one of the witnesses decided to split, after the fondling of some tit, while the alleged victim was too lit, well then you must acquit.

Nice :~ohyah!:

Gcver2ver3
07-23-2011, 01:02 PM
Enter the ghost of Johnny Cochran...

Even if the defendant won't admit, after DNA he wouldn't submit, confirms his sperm did transmit, but if one of the witnesses decided to split, after the fondling of some tit, while the alleged victim was too lit, well then you must acquit.

too legit...

too legit to quit...

Boomhauer
07-23-2011, 01:17 PM
http://www.9news.com/pdfs/Perrish-Cox-Arrest-Warrant.pdf
Thanks for posting the actual sheriff's report.
Doesn't look good for Cox.

Looks even worse for Thomas = Sexual predator and rapist:
~ Thomas/his friends arrive and invite the ladies to party in a private room
~ She's served 1/2glass champagne and a shot and starts feeling buzzed
~ Starts getting blurry on the car ride, with Thomas present, back to Cox's apartment
~ Thomas sits down next to her, lays her down on a mattress, gets on top and puts his hand inside her panties. At which point she completely blacks out for the night. Even if Thomas leaves at that point, he's already intentionally taken advantage/sexually assaulted her. But it's also all the signs of Thomas being aware of the drugging, the time interval involved and actions of a rapist.
~ Next morning she recognizes all the signs of intercourse and describes feeling weird, disoriented and a headache.

It also seems that Vaughn was informed of what transpired, though nothing suggests he was involved.
~ Cox, Vaughn and the two ladies go to breakfast and statement says the DBs were weird and repetitive about telling the two ladies to shower, as well as being a bit obsessed with wanting to clean the apartment, like they wanted to get ride of evidence.
~ The next day Thomas texts her to ask how much she remembered.

It also seems Thomas and Cox new unprotected rape took place, but both thought Thomas was the father.
~ Weeks later, they all go out again and she tells them she won't be drinking, and Thomas makes an indirect pregnancy reference. Later, Cox tells her Thomas thinks she's added weight and might be pregnant.

ChrisToker
07-23-2011, 01:21 PM
I respect the woman not getting an abortion.

Well she ended up flushing it bro. Notice this happened last September....it was due quite a while ago and she didn't want to stop being a model and drinking and going to the club and doing bunch of dudes and coke and X and.....She does look like a girl that is asking for it. I've seen even more slutty pics then the ones hear.

With that being said RAPE could be just as bad as murder. It saddens me that a young man that makes better money then 90% of us, able to start buisnesses, do great things in community work with that scratch doesn't find POWER in that. HE FINDS POWER BY FORCEFULY TAKING ADVATAGE OF SOME SEXUALY I.E. RAPE!!!

Also shame on Denver Post to not let propper justice to be served. He doesn't stand a chance for Trial in CO. The DP wont care they just needed to sale extra papers.

boppool
07-23-2011, 01:29 PM
The sad news is that he'll probably get away with the help of his high profile attornies, receiving some probations instead. She better make sure that he pays the child support unlike that loser Travis Henry...

ChrisToker
07-23-2011, 01:33 PM
Fetus has been flushed. It of cramped her style. Once again to anyone not knowing she aborted the baby. Can you blame her though if it was a rape baby?

oubronco
07-23-2011, 01:37 PM
This whole story from all parties is just wierd and troubling

Meck77
07-23-2011, 01:40 PM
Wow great. Think I'll go take a nap now.

Shananahan
07-23-2011, 01:46 PM
Looks even worse for Thomas = Sexual predator and rapist
How does it possibly look worse for Thomas than it does for Cox? Assuming everything she says is true, the last thing she remembers was Thomas trying to sleep with her and he claims to have left after she passed out. You can't really prove that he didn't, at this point, and he was up front about taking a DNA test. Cox, on the other hand, obviously had sex with her while she was blacked out.

Granted, he does come out of this looking like pretty shady, and it's always fun to learn about players on the team boozing it up and getting high and sharing women, but there's no way anybody in this is looking worse than Cox.

Shananahan
07-23-2011, 01:52 PM
This whole story from all parties is just wierd and troubling
Seriously. The part where Thomas claims that Cox wanted him to do something sexual with the girl is pretty bad. Only reason I can think of for that, in the context of this whole thing, is that he wanted there to be more than himself involved to raise doubts or something.

Nap sounds good right now.

gyldenlove
07-23-2011, 02:23 PM
So many questions.

Putting on the ole' blue and orange shades, this is how I can spin it:

The girls predrink at a private residence before going to the club, the testimony that they had 1 mixed drink is questionable (I believe in the rule of 3 here, if a woman gives a number estimate, multiply by 3 to get the truth). They have shots at the club and champagne as well, and at least one of them spends significant time outside on a street corner with a group of people (If I had the choice of a VIP room or a street corner, I can think of very few reasons to be on the street corner that do not involve drugs).
They go Cox's appartment, Vaughn is soundly asleep in the guest room through the whole ordeal and therefore nothing more than someone who happened to be close to the wrong place at the wrong time.
Thomas start making out with the drunk (maybe high) girl and Cox is making out with the other girl who is equally drunk (and maybe high as well). Thomas stops making out with the one girl because she is not responsive, and she is taken to the bedroom to rest, Cox then has to stop trying to get it on with his girl and goes to talk to Thomas to try to make him be a wingman and get the now unconcious girl out of his bed so he can get down to business. Thomas refuses, falls asleep on the couch, wakes up a bit later and leaves.
Cox who is drunk, tired, maybe high, goes into his bedroom, there are 2 girls there, he ends up having sex with the wrong one - somehow she ends up in the living room later on, in the affidavit I see no plausable explanation for how she got from the bedroom to the living room, but several ways do present themselves:
1. she walked there herself in a near comatose state (seems unlikely she would be able to navigate an appartment she has never been in before).
2. she was carried there by Cox or the other girl (certainly if the affidavit is to believed the other girl was in no state to do so, and according to my timelines there wouldn't be a lot of time for Cox to do this but he is the only option).
3. she was aware she was in the bedroom and aware she was having sex with her friends boyfriend and didn't want to be found out, so she went to the living room.
4. she woke up in the bedroom and lied about waking up in the living room.

In this scenario Thomas did the right thing, he was making out with her, and she was participating actively until she stopped responding at which point he stopped and went to sleep. Cox may have mistaken her for her friend who may have consented to sex with him previously and in his state did not realize she was not awake, or she may have been awake and had sex with Cox believing him to be Thomas.


Putting on the other shades, it is possible to view the same testimony to mean that either Cox or Thomas drugged the women at the club, took them to Cox's place, split them up and went about their business, Thomas got bored when his girl passed out and Cox realized his girl was on her shark week and had 2nd thoughts, when Thomas then left, Cox decided to switch girls and got down to business - in the process concieving a child and becoming a full-fledged date-rapist.

Hercules Rockefeller
07-23-2011, 02:32 PM
So where's the evidence Cox was drunk, high, or tired that night when this all went down?

Shananahan
07-23-2011, 02:38 PM
(I believe in the rule of 3 here, if a woman gives a number estimate, multiply by 3 to get the truth)
Maybe this is how Nate Webster got himself in trouble.

razorwire77
07-23-2011, 02:46 PM
Exactly. There is no evidence that Cox was drunk, or high, or tired, that Bobby Humphrey videotaped it, or that a guy delivering the miniature giraffe that Cox ordered the day before witnessed the girl being awake to cover up Bush's involvement in 9-11, or whatever fill-in-the-blank pie in the sky defense people want to use to defend this guy.
The reality is:

1.) A rape accusation is made, in which a woman says she was violated while passed out.
2.) An eye witness (and the defendant's friend) backs up the assertion that the woman was passed out.
3.) The defendant is adamant that he didn't sleep with her, yet she is impregnated by the man.
4.) The next day Cox and co. are insistent that they clean the apartment and that the girl "take a shower."

Cut this mediocre ass clown rapist as part of the rebuilding process.

bombay
07-23-2011, 03:39 PM
Exactly. There is no evidence that Cox was drunk, or high, or tired, that Bobby Humphrey videotaped it, or that a guy delivering the miniature giraffe that Cox ordered the day before witnessed the girl being awake to cover up Bush's involvement in 9-11, or whatever fill-in-the-blank pie in the sky defense people want to use to defend this guy.
The reality is:

1.) A rape accusation is made, in which a woman says she was violated while passed out.
2.) An eye witness (and the defendant's friend) backs up the assertion that the woman was passed out.
3.) The defendant is adamant that he didn't sleep with her, yet she is impregnated by the man.4.) The next day Cox and co. are insistent that they clean the apartment and that the girl "take a shower."

Cut this mediocre ass clown rapist as part of the rebuilding process.

Are you suggesting that Jesus has a sibling?

oubronco
07-23-2011, 04:23 PM
Maybe Cox and the woman were having an affair and didn't want Cox's girlfriend to find out or...............who the hell knows what went down

Agamemnon
07-23-2011, 04:27 PM
Exactly. There is no evidence that Cox was drunk, or high, or tired, that Bobby Humphrey videotaped it, or that a guy delivering the miniature giraffe that Cox ordered the day before witnessed the girl being awake to cover up Bush's involvement in 9-11, or whatever fill-in-the-blank pie in the sky defense people want to use to defend this guy.
The reality is:

1.) A rape accusation is made, in which a woman says she was violated while passed out.
2.) An eye witness (and the defendant's friend) backs up the assertion that the woman was passed out.
3.) The defendant is adamant that he didn't sleep with her, yet she is impregnated by the man.
4.) The next day Cox and co. are insistent that they clean the apartment and that the girl "take a shower."

Cut this mediocre ass clown rapist as part of the rebuilding process.

Number 4 is new to me. Do you have a link?

Tombstone RJ
07-23-2011, 04:49 PM
any mention of DThomas's name is truly disappointing... this story sucks all the way around...

theAPAOps5
07-23-2011, 04:49 PM
Number 4 is new to me. Do you have a link?

It is in the affidavit that has already been linked in this thread.

gyldenlove
07-23-2011, 05:24 PM
So where's the evidence Cox was drunk, high, or tired that night when this all went down?

He was at a night club having shots, unless the night clubs in Denver are reserved for people who don't drink and general pussies, there is certainly reason to suspect he could be drunk, the incident also happened somewhere in the space between 3 am and 6 am, and most people are tired at that time of night.

Since this is an affidavit for the prosecution there will of course be no mention of any evidence that could weaken their case, and since no affidavits have been published for the defense no such evidence has been made public.

Please try to keep up just a little bit.

Tombstone RJ
07-23-2011, 05:28 PM
He was at a night club having shots, unless the night clubs in Denver are reserved for people who don't drink and general pussies, there is certainly reason to suspect he could be drunk, the incident also happened somewhere in the space between 3 am and 6 am, and most people are tired at that time of night.

Since this is an affidavit for the prosecution there will of course be no mention of any evidence that could weaken their case, and since no affidavits have been published for the defense no such evidence has been made public.

Please try to keep up just a little bit.

yah 'cause this is the omane... serious stuff...

Dedhed
07-23-2011, 05:29 PM
lets be real here you think a prof. athlete is gonna f*^k an unconscious girl.....really!? cmon man

Are there really people this ignorant and naive in the world?

Jay3
07-23-2011, 05:57 PM
Number 4 is new to me. Do you have a link?

All of this is based on the arrest affadvit, which is provided in it's entirety by the Denver Post in the link in the OP. There aren't paragraph numbers, but "the day after" is on page 3 of the affidavit.

Hercules Rockefeller
07-23-2011, 06:02 PM
He was at a night club having shots, unless the night clubs in Denver are reserved for people who don't drink and general pussies, there is certainly reason to suspect he could be drunk, the incident also happened somewhere in the space between 3 am and 6 am, and most people are tired at that time of night.

Since this is an affidavit for the prosecution there will of course be no mention of any evidence that could weaken their case, and since no affidavits have been published for the defense no such evidence has been made public.

Please try to keep up just a little bit.

Yeah, because in the pretext call Cox never says he couldn't remember the evening because he was drunk. But why don't you just assume he's drunk since it doesn't require you to admit there's a damn good chance he's a rapist? He gives an account consistent with the others, but again let's just assume he's drunk to craft the narrative you wish it was.

Exactly what affidavits would the defense release again since the arrest warrant was what was made public?

extralife
07-23-2011, 06:46 PM
He was at a night club having shots, unless the night clubs in Denver are reserved for people who don't drink and general pussies

because we all know real men get plastered so that they can rape people. it's right there in the constitution.

Boomhauer
07-23-2011, 08:17 PM
(Cox) was at a night club having shots, unless the night clubs in Denver are reserved for people who don't drink and general pussies, there is certainly reason to suspect he could be drunk...

He was sober enough to drive himself, Thomas and the two ladies home from the bar around 1:30

lostknight
07-23-2011, 09:41 PM
As a point of law, it's generally accepted that if you are not drunk enough to do the deed, you are sober enough to judge accurately the consensualness of the partner.

That One Guy
07-23-2011, 09:56 PM
As a point of law, it's generally accepted that if you are not drunk enough to do the deed, you are sober enough to judge accurately the consensualness of the partner.

Say that again?

mkporter
07-23-2011, 10:12 PM
Say that again?

I think he said, "If you are sober enough to have sex, then you are sober enough to determine if the other person consents." That's my reading anyway.

schaaf
07-23-2011, 10:50 PM
This is her

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/gallery/camille-washington/camille-washington-13.jpg

I'd hit that :yayaya:

KipCorrington25
07-23-2011, 10:54 PM
Wow, this thread is crazy in some places... Cox did it... how is this so hard to understand?

DBroncos4life
07-24-2011, 02:06 AM
Wow, this thread is crazy in some places... Cox did it... how is this so hard to understand?

Do you understand the power to control someones life by using the words "I don't know".

Imagine yourself trying to defend your life against someone that said they drank and blacked out. Now every time either lawyer asks them a question all they have to say is I don't know. It's a scary thing to think about.

Both are of them share a blame and both are innocent RIGHT now. Soon it will be known who is really to be at fault. Things don't look great for Cox, but as I said the burden of proof is much harder for him in this case.

Agamemnon
07-24-2011, 05:27 AM
Do you understand the power to control someones life by using the words "I don't know".

Imagine yourself trying to defend your life against someone that said they drank and blacked out. Now every time either lawyer asks them a question all they have to say is I don't know. It's a scary thing to think about.

Both are of them share a blame and both are innocent RIGHT now. Soon it will be known who is really to be at fault. Things don't look great for Cox, but as I said the burden of proof is much harder for him in this case.

Unless some solid indisputable evidence is found that proves the matter one way or the other I really don't think we'll ever "know".

Agamemnon
07-24-2011, 05:37 AM
It is in the affidavit that has already been linked in this thread.

Ah so again all we have is a story being told by woman that may or may not be true.

After reading the affidavit I do tend to think it more likely that Cox is guilty than not. But to be honest I just don't see anything that would make me vote "guilty" if I were a juror in this case. There is no evidence of anything other than that they had sex around the time of the incident. Everything else seems to be conjecture on the part of a woman that can't actually remember anything and who failed to report the crime in time for physical evidence to be gathered. If only we had a way of magically divining what actually happened. But we don't.

DrFate
07-24-2011, 07:40 AM
Simply cut these three and move on

That One Guy
07-24-2011, 07:48 AM
The affidavit does sound terrible but something as small as if she lied and actually blew Vaughn like the one guy claimed, this could all fall apart.

mkporter
07-24-2011, 07:59 AM
Ah so again all we have is a story being told by woman that may or may not be true.

After reading the affidavit I do tend to think it more likely that Cox is guilty than not. But to be honest I just don't see anything that would make me vote "guilty" if I were a juror in this case. There is no evidence of anything other than that they had sex around the time of the incident. Everything else seems to be conjecture on the part of a woman that can't actually remember anything and who failed to report the crime in time for physical evidence to be gathered. If only we had a way of magically divining what actually happened. But we don't.

We have agreement from all parties that they did not have sex prior to her passing out, or after she regained consciousness the next day. Then she ended up pregnant with his kid. That is evidence that the sex was non-consensual. Assuming witness testimony and other evidence during the trial continues to follow what the affidavit states, it looks really, really bad for Cox.

Hercules Rockefeller
07-24-2011, 08:22 AM
The affidavit does sound terrible but something as small as if she lied and actually blew Vaughn like the one guy claimed, this could all fall apart.

Rape Shield law. If she did anything with Vaughan, it's not coming in.

Gcver2ver3
07-24-2011, 09:07 AM
Ah so again all we have is a story being told by woman that may or may not be true.

After reading the affidavit I do tend to think it more likely that Cox is guilty than not. But to be honest I just don't see anything that would make me vote "guilty" if I were a juror in this case. There is no evidence of anything other than that they had sex around the time of the incident. Everything else seems to be conjecture on the part of a woman that can't actually remember anything and who failed to report the crime in time for physical evidence to be gathered. If only we had a way of magically divining what actually happened. But we don't.

you can't be serious?...

the girl made it clear she doesn't have any type intimate relationship with Cox...

and Cox was asked numerous times and denied having sex with her each time...

then come find out he's the father of the baby....

that clearly illustrates nonconsensual sex took place...in other words, rape...

not sure how that doesn't ring clear to anyone...

this looks really, really bad for Cox...

Broncoman13
07-24-2011, 09:12 AM
Cox is an idiot for sure. But they will figure out a defense for this and he will get off the hook.

My guess, they will say they had engaged in previous sexual encounters and decided to lie about it. Cox, b/c it was his girlfriend's friend and he didn't want to get caught cheating on his girl... the rape victim, lies for the exact same reasons. Like I said, Cox is an idiot either way. But I can see him getting off of these charges. Hopefully the Broncos won't let him stick around either way!

As for DT and Vaughn. Hopefully they've learned a valuable lesson here. They're fortunate they are talking about potential involvement in a crime that didn't take any of their lives... Nothing good happens that late at night, they're lucky Brandon Marshall wasn't around to get someone angry enough to start shooting at them. Anyhow, not trying to minimize the crime. At this point I wouldn't say it's time to part ways with DT or Vaughn. That could change if more information was to come to light, but as it stands right now the biggest mistake they've made is hanging out with Cox.

Broncoman13
07-24-2011, 09:14 AM
Rape Shield law. If she did anything with Vaughan, it's not coming in.

Not coming in as in the Defense can't even introduce it?

No idea if it is even true (part about Vaughn). And I think I understand, even if she had an encounter with someone else, it doesn't mean she couldn't have been raped.

Hercules Rockefeller
07-24-2011, 09:22 AM
Correct on both statements.

Cito Pelon
07-24-2011, 09:39 AM
Cox is an idiot for sure. But they will figure out a defense for this and he will get off the hook.

My guess, they will say they had engaged in previous sexual encounters and decided to lie about it. Cox, b/c it was his girlfriend's friend and he didn't want to get caught cheating on his girl... the rape victim, lies for the exact same reasons. Like I said, Cox is an idiot either way. But I can see him getting off of these charges. Hopefully the Broncos won't let him stick around either way!

As for DT and Vaughn. Hopefully they've learned a valuable lesson here. They're fortunate they are talking about potential involvement in a crime that didn't take any of their lives... Nothing good happens that late at night, they're lucky Brandon Marshall wasn't around to get someone angry enough to start shooting at them. Anyhow, not trying to minimize the crime. At this point I wouldn't say it's time to part ways with DT or Vaughn. That could change if more information was to come to light, but as it stands right now the biggest mistake they've made is hanging out with Cox.

They can figure out a defense, sure, but I doubt it will be good enough to get Cox off the hook. He's as good as in prison right now.

I think the best the defense can do is delay the trial - and prolong the trial -to give Cox as much free time as they can. Once it gets to the jury, he's gonna be in the state prison pretty fast.

Broncoman13
07-24-2011, 10:20 AM
They can figure out a defense, sure, but I doubt it will be good enough to get Cox off the hook. He's as good as in prison right now.

I think the best the defense can do is delay the trial - and prolong the trial -to give Cox as much free time as they can. Once it gets to the jury, he's gonna be in the state prison pretty fast.

Probably rightfully so... but, I will never be surprised at any outcome by a jury again. OJ, Andrews, Plaxico Burress, Mike Vick, etc. Just never know how these things will go. I thought OJ was toast. I figured Burress would end up with a ton of community service and probation. I didn't thing they would even go after Vick. Never can tell...

Does it make a difference that Douglas County's prosecutor was arrested for fighting at a youth baseball game in Castle Rock recently?

gyldenlove
07-24-2011, 10:34 AM
He was sober enough to drive himself, Thomas and the two ladies home from the bar around 1:30

Because NFL players never drive drunk?

gyldenlove
07-24-2011, 10:40 AM
Yeah, because in the pretext call Cox never says he couldn't remember the evening because he was drunk. But why don't you just assume he's drunk since it doesn't require you to admit there's a damn good chance he's a rapist? He gives an account consistent with the others, but again let's just assume he's drunk to craft the narrative you wish it was.

Exactly what affidavits would the defense release again since the arrest warrant was what was made public?

You don't know what he said in the pretext call. The police only has a duty to use things against you, they have no interest or obligation to use anything he said to help him. It is still up to the police to show that he knowingly had sex with her while she was incapable of consenting, until they can do that he is an innocent man under US law. Besides if you had read my original post you would know I posted 2 narratives, but then maybe I am expecting too much from you.

Gcver2ver3
07-24-2011, 10:47 AM
You don't know what he said in the pretext call. The police only has a duty to use things against you, they have no interest or obligation to use anything he said to help him. It is still up to the police to show that he knowingly had sex with her while she was incapable of consenting, until they can do that he is an innocent man under US law. Besides if you had read my original post you would know I posted 2 narratives, but then maybe I am expecting too much from you.

prove that he knowingly had sex with the girl?...

you really believe the burden of proof is on the police (really the prosecuter) to prove he knowingly had sex with the girl for him to ultimately be deemed guilty?...

Hercules Rockefeller
07-24-2011, 10:51 AM
Awwwwww, someone's a little pissy that your "homer" narrative got called out for being complete crap because of things that can't be disputed. Keep clinging to that hope that the police left out some huge piece of exculpatory evidence.

Father of child
3 people including Cox say she was passed out
Denies ever having sex with her

Can't wait to see the evidence that cuts against any of those 3 facts.

Lolad
07-24-2011, 10:56 AM
As somebody already has stated, the society and laws that we live in are to help woman. There is definitely a case that can be made about what is and isn't consent. It's not as black and white as some have declared it. A clear "no" or "stop" I can see.... How does one tell if a girl is not capable of consenting? How many late night hookups go on in this manner. Is everybody going to be found guilty because a girl wakes up and finds a fat slob next to her? Do we have the same defense if a girl takes advantage of us? (you're gay if you do call rape)

I'm not saying he's innocent but I believe they need to tread carefully on the distinction of what is willful consent.

Broncoman13
07-24-2011, 10:56 AM
Awwwwww, someone's a little pissy that your "homer" narrative got called out for being complete crap because of things that can't be disputed. Keep clinging to that hope that the police left out some huge piece of exculpatory evidence.

Father of child
3 people including Cox say she was passed out
Denies ever having sex with her

Can't wait to see the evidence that cuts against any of those 3 facts.

So what happens if there is evidence that shows a previous (or post fact) relationship between the two? What happens if it comes out that they were lying b/c they didn't want the Girlfriend to know that Cox was getting it on with her friend? I know it's a hypothetical, but suppose it were the case. Cox would probably then be charged with perjuring himself, right?

Hercules Rockefeller
07-24-2011, 10:58 AM
Wasn't a sworn statement so no perjury.

Any sexual conduct with Cox would be admissible.

Gcver2ver3
07-24-2011, 10:59 AM
Father of child
3 people including Cox say she was passed out
Denies ever having sex with her

Can't wait to see the evidence that cuts against any of those 3 facts.

this...

i'm sorry but there is absolutely no overcoming those 3 facts...

period...

Gcver2ver3
07-24-2011, 11:02 AM
As somebody already has stated, the society and laws that we live in are to help woman. There is definitely a case that can be made about what is and isn't consent. It's not as black and white as some have declared it. A clear "no" or "stop" I can see.... How does one tell if a girl is not capable of consenting? How many late night hookups go on in this manner. Is everybody going to be found guilty because a girl wakes up and finds a fat slob next to her? Do we have the same defense if a girl takes advantage of us? (you're gay if you do call rape)

I'm not saying he's innocent but I believe they need to tread carefully on the distinction of what is willful consent.

if somebody is passed out, that is NOT consent...

and i'm sorry, but if a person can't tell if a person is concious or not then i think its safe to say, don't have sex with her...

Miss I.
07-24-2011, 11:14 AM
So what happens if there is evidence that shows a previous (or post fact) relationship between the two? What happens if it comes out that they were lying b/c they didn't want the Girlfriend to know that Cox was getting it on with her friend? I know it's a hypothetical, but suppose it were the case. Cox would probably then be charged with perjuring himself, right?

They lied to keep the friend from finding out, but then she charges rape anyway? I think that would run counter to this theory. And if it were about money I think a civil suit would've been the way to go to get child support or whatever.

As for the various other theories about his being too drunk to make a distincition that she could make a choice, why lie about it? If in fact he was so drunk as to not remember the events in question, why not just say "I don't know, " I don't recall" I was too drunk and I honestly don't remember what happened." The Fact is he went in lying and to me that doesn't scream innocent. He's innocent until proven guilty, but he's made a very poor case for himself.

The guy is at best a complete dumbass and at worst a narcissitic rapist who is so arrogant that his fame and money will get him out of it he doesn't mind a little lying on top of it.

rugbythug
07-24-2011, 11:55 AM
This wont be as easy as e everyone thinks. This is a club girl who has had a lot of partners her name will be mud. Only takes one person to hang a trial.

cutthemdown
07-24-2011, 12:02 PM
This wont be as easy as e everyone thinks. This is a club girl who has had a lot of partners her name will be mud. Only takes one person to hang a trial.

Who even cares? He's not a good enough player to even care about at this point. I hope they cut him asap.

cutthemdown
07-24-2011, 12:04 PM
As somebody already has stated, the society and laws that we live in are to help woman. There is definitely a case that can be made about what is and isn't consent. It's not as black and white as some have declared it. A clear "no" or "stop" I can see.... How does one tell if a girl is not capable of consenting? How many late night hookups go on in this manner. Is everybody going to be found guilty because a girl wakes up and finds a fat slob next to her? Do we have the same defense if a girl takes advantage of us? (you're gay if you do call rape)

I'm not saying he's innocent but I believe they need to tread carefully on the distinction of what is willful consent.

You are an idiot.

cutthemdown
07-24-2011, 12:06 PM
It's official, many Bronco fans have become myopic longing for the days we played well on the field, and didn't rape women off of it. The team needs some serious leadership and I think Elway and Tebow will provide it. I think many Broncos players have a problem with drinking and partying. Seems like they do at least.

That One Guy
07-24-2011, 12:10 PM
Rape Shield law. If she did anything with Vaughan, it's not coming in.

Ahhh... I'm neither a lawyer nor stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.

That said, can they still not bring it in even if it proves she was lying in her statement to police? I understand not being allowed to paint her as a whore but what about exposing lying?

Cito Pelon
07-24-2011, 01:02 PM
Probably rightfully so... but, I will never be surprised at any outcome by a jury again. OJ, Andrews, Plaxico Burress, Mike Vick, etc. Just never know how these things will go. I thought OJ was toast. I figured Burress would end up with a ton of community service and probation. I didn't thing they would even go after Vick. Never can tell...

Does it make a difference that Douglas County's prosecutor was arrested for fighting at a youth baseball game in Castle Rock recently?

Cox is on his way to the state prison, it's just a matter of how long it takes for him to be inducted.

schaaf
07-24-2011, 01:10 PM
Cox was just trying to get it in....

Broncoman13
07-24-2011, 01:54 PM
Cox is on his way to the state prison, it's just a matter of how long it takes for him to be inducted.

I would have bet on Andrews being convicted as well. All signs point to you being correct though.

oubronco
07-24-2011, 02:22 PM
How does anyone know that Cox didn't have sex with her before the night in question and became pregnant? Could be an angle that gets thrown out there

schaaf
07-24-2011, 02:24 PM
How does anyone know that Cox didn't have sex with her before the night in question and became pregnant? Could be an angle that gets thrown out there

Because don't you know that a girl has never lied about being raped? This one can't even remember if she was raped or not

oubronco
07-24-2011, 02:29 PM
Because don't you know that a girl has never lied about being raped? This one can't even remember if she was raped or not

There's just too many questions and theories to draw a conclusion on this. We'll just have to wait for " As the world turns"

bigbucks24
07-24-2011, 02:33 PM
How does anyone know that Cox didn't have sex with her before the night in question and became pregnant? Could be an angle that gets thrown out there

I'm guessing people are basing it on the fact that both parties have said in statements that they never had sex with each other before or after this incident. Just my guess as to why people are jumping to that conclusion.

That One Guy
07-24-2011, 02:52 PM
I'm guessing people are basing it on the fact that both parties have said in statements that they never had sex with each other before or after this incident. Just my guess as to why people are jumping to that conclusion.

I think Cox's denial will blow up in his face bigtime. All he had to say was "Shoot, when I'm not playing football, I'm drunk and don't ever remember a thing" and they'd have had a reasonable defense.

extralife
07-24-2011, 03:02 PM
"I was drunk lol" is not a rape defense, asshole

That One Guy
07-24-2011, 03:24 PM
"I was drunk lol" is not a rape defense, a-hole

Nor should "I was drunk" be sufficient for a rape accusation.

It would introduce enough that there might be some doubt in one of the jurors.

Meanwhile, "I didn't do her and don't have a clue how she's carrying my baby" doesn't leave much doubt.

extralife
07-24-2011, 03:28 PM
unlike you, I'm not too interested in whether or not Parish Cox can weasel his way out of a conviction, or whether or not the victim lives up to my imaginary moralizing. I'm interested in whether or not a rape actually took place--all signs point to yes.

That One Guy
07-24-2011, 03:52 PM
unlike you, I'm not too interested in whether or not Parish Cox can weasel his way out of a conviction, or whether or not the victim lives up to my imaginary moralizing. I'm interested in whether or not a rape actually took place--all signs point to yes.

We'll probably never know with absolute certainty what happened and convicting someone where you have admitted alcohol use (no matter how much) and no proof of drugging is a slippery slope.

bombay
07-24-2011, 04:16 PM
A hair sample proves with certainty any drug that has been used in the time the hair has been there. It would have proved whether or not she had been drugged and there was plenty of time to have it done. I wonder why it wasn't?

Broncoman13
07-24-2011, 04:50 PM
A hair sample proves with certainty any drug that has been used in the time the hair has been there. It would have proved whether or not she had been drugged and there was plenty of time to have it done. I wonder why it wasn't?

Do all drugs reside in hair samples?

WolfpackGuy
07-24-2011, 04:51 PM
It takes a lot of time to separate the real hair from the stentions!

Agamemnon
07-24-2011, 04:52 PM
you can't be serious?...

the girl made it clear she doesn't have any type intimate relationship with Cox...

and Cox was asked numerous times and denied having sex with her each time...

then come find out he's the father of the baby....

that clearly illustrates nonconsensual sex took place...in other words, rape...

not sure how that doesn't ring clear to anyone...

this looks really, really bad for Cox...

Hearsay, conjecture, and testimony by a woman who doesn't actually remember anything does not satisfy the standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt". Just because you think he raped her (and I suspect he did as well) doesn't mean he actually did. Again there is no actual evidence that has been uncovered that would prove he's guilty, and without that I just don't see the grounds for a conviction.

Agamemnon
07-24-2011, 04:53 PM
Do all drugs reside in hair samples?

No.

oubronco
07-24-2011, 05:55 PM
A hair sample proves with certainty any drug that has been used in the time the hair has been there. It would have proved whether or not she had been drugged and there was plenty of time to have it done. I wonder why it wasn't?

HMMMMMMMMMM

Miss I.
07-24-2011, 10:06 PM
Because don't you know that a girl has never lied about being raped? This one can't even remember if she was raped or not

And on the flipside of that, don't you know that men have never lied about committing rape or having sex with someone? Cox said he never had sex with her and yet she was pregnant with his baby? Was it a miracle? did his sperm swim on its own?

Being too drunk to consent is rape. Rape is always difficult to prosecute and almost always involves alcohol. The statistics indicate that 1 in 4 women in colleges are raped, the majority of them acquaintance rapes occurring in social situations (much like the one with Cox). Almost none of them go to trial largely because most women won't report them partly because they know this reaction by men mostly but some women is what they will get "You dressed provocatively, you deserve it. You drank too much, how do you know you didn't really want it., etc, etc. etc. He's the College star QB and you are a nothing bimbo girl of course you wanted to sleep with him."

rape is a painful topic for most women even if they haven't had it happen to them. It is a moment when we cannot control our own life, when someone else uses their power or our weakness against us and because it is tied to a sexual act and not just being punched or something. it is that much more difficult to talk about because sexual associations make it seem more okay, when in fact rape is always about someone using their authority to take what they want. It would help if women weren't taught from youth that we have to have a man to be complete and the higher prestige he is the better. When women have a better sense of self on their own sometimes this **** can be avoided. Not always, but sometimes.

Cox is guilty of at the very least lying, but I highly suspect he did have sex with a girl unable to stop him.

SoCalBronco
07-24-2011, 10:08 PM
The Squid is going to have to step up this season.

That One Guy
07-24-2011, 10:25 PM
And on the flipside of that, don't you know that men have never lied about committing rape or having sex with someone? Cox said he never had sex with her and yet she was pregnant with his baby? Was it a miracle? did his sperm swim on its own?

Being too drunk to consent is rape. Rape is always difficult to prosecute and almost always involves alcohol. The statistics indicate that 1 in 4 women in colleges are raped, the majority of them acquaintance rapes occurring in social situations (much like the one with Cox). Almost none of them go to trial largely because most women won't report them partly because they know this reaction by men mostly but some women is what they will get "You dressed provocatively, you deserve it. You drank too much, how do you know you didn't really want it., etc, etc. etc. He's the College star QB and you are a nothing bimbo girl of course you wanted to sleep with him."

rape is a painful topic for most women even if they haven't had it happen to them. It is a moment when we cannot control our own life, when someone else uses their power or our weakness against us and because it is tied to a sexual act and not just being punched or something. it is that much more difficult to talk about because sexual associations make it seem more okay, when in fact rape is always about someone using their authority to take what they want. It would help if women weren't taught from youth that we have to have a man to be complete and the higher prestige he is the better. When women have a better sense of self on their own sometimes this **** can be avoided. Not always, but sometimes.

Cox is guilty of at the very least lying, but I highly suspect he did have sex with a girl unable to stop him.

You think it's not equally terrifying thinking how a girl could be having a great time tonight and then claim she was raped tomorrow?

I agree that I think he probably did it but there's been too many women making accusations (and, even if there hadn't, it's easy to accuse someone) and instantly the guys are vilified while the identity of the accuser is hidden in most cases.

When they call spanking a kid child abuse, it belittles the true meaning of child abuse. When they call a drunk **** rape, it makes a mockery of rape. Girls often get the benefit of protection that guys don't get despite the whole "innocent until proven guilty" mantra. Treat these scenarios fairly and the perception of them might change some.

Miss I.
07-24-2011, 10:39 PM
You think it's not equally terrifying thinking how a girl could be having a great time tonight and then claim she was raped tomorrow?

I agree that I think he probably did it but there's been too many women making accusations (and, even if there hadn't, it's easy to accuse someone) and instantly the guys are vilified while the identity of the accuser is hidden in most cases.

When they call spanking a kid child abuse, it belittles the true meaning of child abuse. When they call a drunk **** rape, it makes a mockery of rape. Girls often get the benefit of protection that guys don't get despite the whole "innocent until proven guilty" mantra. Treat these scenarios fairly and the perception of them might change some.

of course it's a problem if someone "calls rape" when it is not. That actually makes it that much more difficult for those who are raped to report it and get it prosecuted. I don't believe that's the case here, but that's just my take.

however, I don't think the crying rape scenario just to what? not take responsibility for having sex? I don't think that's commom. Guys claim we do that, but other than in cases where monetary gain is at stake, why and when do women take a case to the police on that kind of thing? It's one thing if she just tells her girlfriends that, but to go to the police and cry rape just to justify having sex seems implausible to me.

I treated this Cox thing innocent until he got caught in a lie outright. Had he just said I don't know, I would be more open to his not being guilty, but he didn't. He said he didn't have sex with her and clearly being the baby daddy disproves that.

as for women getting the benefit of the mantra, out of curiosity have you ever known a women in real life who had to go to trial to testify to her own rape? Going to court with rape is never easy so to cry rape to the police and have it get to trial would be unlikely. I just can't see a case where they take it that far with just "I think I was raped." In this case, they had DNA showing this guy had fathered her baby, testimony indicates she was unconcious and its coupled with his clear lie about having sex with her. Not a good case for him.

That One Guy
07-24-2011, 10:46 PM
of course it's a problem if someone "calls rape" when it is not. That actually makes it that much more difficult for those who are raped to report it and get it prosecuted. I don't believe that's the case here, but that's just my take.

however, I don't think the crying rape scenario just to what? not take responsibility for having sex? I don't think that's commom. Guys claim we do that, but other than in cases where monetary gain is at stake, why and when do women take a case to the police on that kind of thing? It's one thing if she just tells her girlfriends that, but to go to the police and cry rape just to justify having sex seems implausible to me.

I treated this Cox thing innocent until he got caught in a lie outright. Had he just said I don't know, I would be more open to his not being guilty, but he didn't. He said he didn't have sex with her and clearly being the baby daddy disproves that.

as for women getting the benefit of the mantra, out of curiosity have you ever known a women in real life who had to go to trial to testify to her own rape? Going to court with rape is never easy so to cry rape to the police and have it get to trial would be unlikely. I just can't see a case where they take it that far with just "I think I was raped." In this case, they had DNA showing this guy had fathered her baby, testimony indicates she was unconcious and its coupled with his clear lie about having sex with her. Not a good case for him.

I agree, I think he's guilty. Mostly for the same reasons you do. I also thought Casey Anthony was guilty though.

And as for the rest, I knew one girl who got drunk and got a train run on her (supposedly after she passed out) from my military days. That's the extent of my experience. Just the thought, though, is terrifying. All you need to do is stumble upon that one crazy person...

broncocalijohn
07-24-2011, 11:07 PM
You know those pics of her will be brought up in the trial. Defense team will look for the blue hairs to rally a "Not guilty" verdict from them.

Hercules Rockefeller
07-24-2011, 11:30 PM
Those pictures are not relevant at trial.

cutthemdown
07-24-2011, 11:31 PM
You know those pics of her will be brought up in the trial. Defense team will look for the blue hairs to rally a "Not guilty" verdict from them.

If the pictures are from the night in question they could be used in court, maybe. If not they would probably be ruled inadmissable.

extralife
07-25-2011, 12:35 AM
under no circumstances will those pictures be admitted. the reason: judges are generally required to have graduated elementary school.

ol#7
07-25-2011, 03:30 AM
And on the flipside of that, don't you know that men have never lied about committing rape or having sex with someone? Cox said he never had sex with her and yet she was pregnant with his baby? Was it a miracle? did his sperm swim on its own?

Being too drunk to consent is rape. Rape is always difficult to prosecute and almost always involves alcohol. The statistics indicate that 1 in 4 women in colleges are raped, the majority of them acquaintance rapes occurring in social situations (much like the one with Cox). Almost none of them go to trial largely because most women won't report them partly because they know this reaction by men mostly but some women is what they will get "You dressed provocatively, you deserve it. You drank too much, how do you know you didn't really want it., etc, etc. etc. He's the College star QB and you are a nothing bimbo girl of course you wanted to sleep with him."

rape is a painful topic for most women even if they haven't had it happen to them. It is a moment when we cannot control our own life, when someone else uses their power or our weakness against us and because it is tied to a sexual act and not just being punched or something. it is that much more difficult to talk about because sexual associations make it seem more okay, when in fact rape is always about someone using their authority to take what they want. It would help if women weren't taught from youth that we have to have a man to be complete and the higher prestige he is the better. When women have a better sense of self on their own sometimes this **** can be avoided. Not always, but sometimes.

Cox is guilty of at the very least lying, but I highly suspect he did have sex with a girl unable to stop him.

OK, I think he raped her. The now aborted baby didnt implant itself there.

That said, I take issue with your bolded statement. I call B.S. that 1 in 4 women are raped in college. That is the type of feminist propoganda that is typical of a campus, one that treats all men as potential rapists.

Agamemnon
07-25-2011, 03:48 AM
OK, I think he raped her. The now aborted baby didnt implant itself there.

That said, I take issue with your bolded statement. I call B.S. that 1 in 4 women are raped in college. That is the type of feminist propoganda that is typical of a campus, one that treats all men as potential rapists.

I certainly hope it's not true...

Lolad
07-25-2011, 04:41 AM
of course it's a problem if someone "calls rape" when it is not. That actually makes it that much more difficult for those who are raped to report it and get it prosecuted. I don't believe that's the case here, but that's just my take.

however, I don't think the crying rape scenario just to what? not take responsibility for having sex? I don't think that's commom. Guys claim we do that, but other than in cases where monetary gain is at stake, why and when do women take a case to the police on that kind of thing? It's one thing if she just tells her girlfriends that, but to go to the police and cry rape just to justify having sex seems implausible to me.

as for women getting the benefit of the mantra, out of curiosity have you ever known a women in real life who had to go to trial to testify to her own rape? Going to court with rape is never easy so to cry rape to the police and have it get to trial would be unlikely. I just can't see a case where they take it that far with just "I think I was raped." In this case, they had DNA showing this guy had fathered her baby, testimony indicates she was unconcious and its coupled with his clear lie about having sex with her. Not a good case for him.

it has happened probably more then what people are willing to believe. Some of them don't have any heart.


A young mother who falsely cried rape, sending an innocent man to prison for nearly four years, will experience firsthand what he suffered -- she'll spend one to three years behind bars for perjury.
"I wish her the best of luck," said William McCaffrey last night of Biurny Peguero Gonzalez.
"Jail isn't easy."
McCaffrey, 33, of The Bronx, was locked up after Gonzalez accused him of raping her at knifepoint on a Bronx street back in 2005.
It was a lie she repeated to doctors, cops, prosecutors, a grand jury and the jury that convicted McCaffrey.
"What happened in this case is one of the worst things that can possibly happen in our criminal-justice system," Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Charles Solomon said as he pronounced sentence.
McCaffrey said he has some sympathy for Gonzalez and hopes she "doesn't go through what I went though.
"I was an accused rapist in prison," he said, adding that in prison, "rape is the worst crime possible."
All is clearly not forgiven.
A person who would "lie and paint somebody as a rapist is worse than a real rapist or a real murderer," McCaffrey said
He also blamed "the arresting officers, the prosecution." Everyone, he said, "wanted to believe the lie, the ADA [assistant district attorney] first and foremost."
Judge Solomon said, "It's hard to imagine why anyone could have done this."
It turned out Gonzalez robbed McCaffrey of four years of his life for the most trivial of reasons.
She'd been hanging out with a group of girlfriends when she accepted an invitation to get into his car.
After she returned, her pals were furious that she'd ditched them -- so she made up the rape story to gain their sympathy.
She will be eligible for parole in a year -- after serving a one-quarter of the time her victim was imprisoned.
Gonzalez was taken away after making a tearful apology to McCaffrey, who was not in court.
She also begged for mercy on behalf of her two sons, ages 3 months and 7 years.
"To Mr. McCaffrey, I am aware that nothing I do or say to him can bring back the years he spent in jail," she said. "I want him to know I will carry this guilt for the rest of my life."
Gonzalez, 27, had recanted her story last year after new DNA evidence proved she'd been lying and a priest to whom she'd confessed urged her to come clean.
Gonzalez had repeatedly insisted she was "110 percent" sure McCaffrey had raped her after they met in Inwood, in upper Manhattan, and she drunkenly accepted a ride.
"It was a complete and utter lie," Assistant DA Evan Krutoy told Judge Solomon.
The outraged prosecutor asked that she be sentenced to two to six years "so that there's a chance that she will serve what he served."
Krutoy conceded that Gonzalez -- with a previously clean record -- looked like a good candidate for probation.
But ultimately, she needed to serve time, Krutoy said, "because of the extent of harm that she caused . . . She came into court and she lied."
Her lie -- blurted out as her girlfriends were slapping her around -- took on a life of its own, fueled in part by McCaffrey's long rap sheet of violent arrests.
Gonzalez could have pulled the plug on the prosecution at any time, but instead she watched McCaffrey get sent up the river for a rape he never committed.

http://m.nypost.com/p/news/local/bronx/justice_happened_things_system_solomon_JyyLFVitMM4 bx63gpD1ouI

Cito Pelon
07-25-2011, 07:40 AM
I would have bet on Andrews being convicted as well. All signs point to you being correct though.

Yeah, you never know for sure until the verdict is in. There actually is quite a few things that could happen to derail the prosecution.

TheReverend
07-25-2011, 07:49 AM
Kill him, imo (dead serious).

mkporter
07-25-2011, 09:02 AM
it has happened probably more then what people are willing to believe. Some of them don't have any heart.



It is certainly a travesty of justice when it happens. I feel reasonably certain, however, that there are orders of magnitude more rape victims that don't come forward than there are innocent men that get convicted. Unfortunately, the latter create more of the former.

That One Guy
07-25-2011, 09:39 AM
It is certainly a travesty of justice when it happens. I feel reasonably certain, however, that there are orders of magnitude more rape victims that don't come forward than there are innocent men that get convicted. Unfortunately, the latter create more of the former.

So what's the moral of the story? Do everything you can to prevent the situation in the first place. Not trying to blame anyone here because nobody DESERVES rape but you have to take the initiative to protect yourself. Not necessarily in this case if they're telling the truth about their alcohol consumption, but why are women in this day and age still getting blacked out drunk in the midst of people they often don't know or trust. If you want to do it at your house with just a good friend, that's one thing. But just because you know someone who you talked to them a time or two, or you're at a bar, or you're at a party... those are not scenarios where you should feel safe to get jacked up beyond recollection.

Again, not saying women can do anything to deserve rape but they can often protect themselves from it. Those that do everything and still get raped, they're the true victims.

OABB
07-25-2011, 09:40 AM
So what's the moral of the story? Do everything you can to prevent the situation in the first place. Not trying to blame anyone here because nobody DESERVES rape but you have to take the initiative to protect yourself. Not necessarily in this case if they're telling the truth about their alcohol consumption, but why are women in this day and age still getting blacked out drunk in the midst of people they often don't know or trust. If you want to do it at your house with just a good friend, that's one thing. But just because you know someone who you talked to them a time or two, or you're at a bar, or you're at a party... those are not scenarios where you should feel safe to get jacked up beyond recollection.

Again, not saying women can do anything to deserve rape but they can often protect themselves from it. Those that do everything and still get raped, they're the true victims.


This.

Dr. Broncenstein
07-25-2011, 10:36 AM
So what's the moral of the story? Do everything you can to prevent the situation in the first place. Not trying to blame anyone here because nobody DESERVES rape but you have to take the initiative to protect yourself. Not necessarily in this case if they're telling the truth about their alcohol consumption, but why are women in this day and age still getting blacked out drunk in the midst of people they often don't know or trust. If you want to do it at your house with just a good friend, that's one thing. But just because you know someone who you talked to them a time or two, or you're at a bar, or you're at a party... those are not scenarios where you should feel safe to get jacked up beyond recollection.

Again, not saying women can do anything to deserve rape but they can often protect themselves from it. Those that do everything and still get raped, they're the true victims.

Absentee / abusive fathers. You show me a promiscuous drug addict, and I'll show you someone who grew up without a responsible father.

Miss I.
07-25-2011, 10:58 AM
OK, I think he raped her. The now aborted baby didnt implant itself there.

That said, I take issue with your bolded statement. I call B.S. that 1 in 4 women are raped in college. That is the type of feminist propoganda that is typical of a campus, one that treats all men as potential rapists.

I've always wondered about the statistic, but I don't think it's feminist propaganda. I think it's more like a technique to try to scare people into being more aware of the situations they can place themselves.

If you read more about that particular stat, it comes from a variety answers to the Have you been raped question or attempted rape? The difficulty is that often that in endeavoring to make people more cautious about rape, it's opened a door to sometimes making it vague. Is being drunk and having sex rape? In some cases they took all those answers as yes. Well I would say its situational.

And to be honest in my 20s I was pretty clueless and didn't know what I wanted nor completely understood rape beyond the obvious cases.

Here's a link to some college info with a reference to the study that came up with the 1 in 4 stat: http://www.rwu.edu/studentlife/studentservices/counselingcenter/sexualassault/rapemyths.htm

alkemical
07-25-2011, 11:00 AM
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZ_dA09NqzWeeYG8_NmSL84vfFg5urc R991bCLccr5W0QFf-Wipg

alkemical
07-25-2011, 11:01 AM
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTvci6mRvl0W2dqdZthybyBbUfmyxLvv Dh6Oolfwf_xsDrQGodtcA

ZachKC
07-25-2011, 04:09 PM
Damn.

Garcia Bronco
07-25-2011, 04:24 PM
So what's the moral of the story? Do everything you can to prevent the situation in the first place. Not trying to blame anyone here because nobody DESERVES rape but you have to take the initiative to protect yourself. Not necessarily in this case if they're telling the truth about their alcohol consumption, but why are women in this day and age still getting blacked out drunk in the midst of people they often don't know or trust. If you want to do it at your house with just a good friend, that's one thing. But just because you know someone who you talked to them a time or two, or you're at a bar, or you're at a party... those are not scenarios where you should feel safe to get jacked up beyond recollection.

Again, not saying women can do anything to deserve rape but they can often protect themselves from it. Those that do everything and still get raped, they're the true victims.

This...

My niece is starting college this year and I had this exact conversation with her.

Don't put yourself in bad situations with unknown people.

Hotwheelz
07-25-2011, 04:39 PM
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZ_dA09NqzWeeYG8_NmSL84vfFg5urc R991bCLccr5W0QFf-Wipg

In what disturbed world do you find this funny?

Agamemnon
07-25-2011, 05:03 PM
it has happened probably more then what people are willing to believe. Some of them don't have any heart.


A young mother who falsely cried rape, sending an innocent man to prison for nearly four years, will experience firsthand what he suffered -- she'll spend one to three years behind bars for perjury.
"I wish her the best of luck," said William McCaffrey last night of Biurny Peguero Gonzalez.
"Jail isn't easy."
McCaffrey, 33, of The Bronx, was locked up after Gonzalez accused him of raping her at knifepoint on a Bronx street back in 2005.
It was a lie she repeated to doctors, cops, prosecutors, a grand jury and the jury that convicted McCaffrey.
"What happened in this case is one of the worst things that can possibly happen in our criminal-justice system," Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Charles Solomon said as he pronounced sentence.
McCaffrey said he has some sympathy for Gonzalez and hopes she "doesn't go through what I went though.
"I was an accused rapist in prison," he said, adding that in prison, "rape is the worst crime possible."
All is clearly not forgiven.
A person who would "lie and paint somebody as a rapist is worse than a real rapist or a real murderer," McCaffrey said
He also blamed "the arresting officers, the prosecution." Everyone, he said, "wanted to believe the lie, the ADA [assistant district attorney] first and foremost."
Judge Solomon said, "It's hard to imagine why anyone could have done this."
It turned out Gonzalez robbed McCaffrey of four years of his life for the most trivial of reasons.
She'd been hanging out with a group of girlfriends when she accepted an invitation to get into his car.
After she returned, her pals were furious that she'd ditched them -- so she made up the rape story to gain their sympathy.
She will be eligible for parole in a year -- after serving a one-quarter of the time her victim was imprisoned.
Gonzalez was taken away after making a tearful apology to McCaffrey, who was not in court.
She also begged for mercy on behalf of her two sons, ages 3 months and 7 years.
"To Mr. McCaffrey, I am aware that nothing I do or say to him can bring back the years he spent in jail," she said. "I want him to know I will carry this guilt for the rest of my life."
Gonzalez, 27, had recanted her story last year after new DNA evidence proved she'd been lying and a priest to whom she'd confessed urged her to come clean.
Gonzalez had repeatedly insisted she was "110 percent" sure McCaffrey had raped her after they met in Inwood, in upper Manhattan, and she drunkenly accepted a ride.
"It was a complete and utter lie," Assistant DA Evan Krutoy told Judge Solomon.
The outraged prosecutor asked that she be sentenced to two to six years "so that there's a chance that she will serve what he served."
Krutoy conceded that Gonzalez -- with a previously clean record -- looked like a good candidate for probation.
But ultimately, she needed to serve time, Krutoy said, "because of the extent of harm that she caused . . . She came into court and she lied."
Her lie -- blurted out as her girlfriends were slapping her around -- took on a life of its own, fueled in part by McCaffrey's long rap sheet of violent arrests.
Gonzalez could have pulled the plug on the prosecution at any time, but instead she watched McCaffrey get sent up the river for a rape he never committed.

http://m.nypost.com/p/news/local/bronx/justice_happened_things_system_solomon_JyyLFVitMM4 bx63gpD1ouI

I can't believe they convicted a guy of rape off nothing more than one woman's story. That's such a huge violation of the standards of evidence that are supposed to be in place.