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bronco militia
07-21-2011, 02:05 PM
Posted July 21, 2011, 12:44 pm MT Lighter Knowshon attends Camp LandowBy Mike Klis Comments (1)

Broncos running back Knowshon Moreno almost looked downright skinny.

Moreno has spent most of his offseason working out with a downtown Denver trainer but he joined “the guys” Thursday at Valor Christian High School.

Moreno, who played at between 208 to 212 pounds his first two seasons with the Broncos, says he weighs 200 now. He looks less than that.


“I’ve just been working out hard,” Moreno said. “Real hard. I haven’t tried to lose weight or anything.”

Moreno is expected to be the Broncos’ starting tailback for a third consecutive season, although the team will add a 1B-type runner through free agency.

There were 19 Broncos among the 45 local professional players who attended the conditioning session Thursday led by performance trainer Loren Landow in Highlands Ranch.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2011/07/21/lighter-knowshon-attends-camp-landow/7882/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dp-blogs-broncos+%28Denver+Post%3A+Sports%3A+Bronco

bombay
07-21-2011, 02:09 PM
If it improves his quickness and speed, I guess that's good. He's never going to be a power runner.

bronco militia
07-21-2011, 02:10 PM
scat back

Man-Goblin
07-21-2011, 02:10 PM
Maybe he'll stop asking to come out after every freaking play now.

RunSilentRunDeep
07-21-2011, 02:11 PM
Sweet, now his hamstrings will last until day four of training camp.

NFLBRONCO
07-21-2011, 02:11 PM
Slimmed down for his cheerleading on sideline after multiple fumbles smart move :). Good fall back plan.

bronco militia
07-21-2011, 02:15 PM
:rofl::rofl:

Gcver2ver3
07-21-2011, 02:28 PM
Maybe he'll stop asking to come out after every freaking play now.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:...

Dagmar
07-21-2011, 02:55 PM
I get the hate, McD pick at no 12...

Averaged overall 1200 ish yards and 8.5 tds a year is not a bust in your first 2 years. Certainly not a "noshow".

ghwk
07-21-2011, 03:08 PM
Crack whore.

cmhargrove
07-21-2011, 03:28 PM
Wouldn't it be interesting to see if the players come to camp in better shape than when Tuten trained them?

It would certainly answer some questions in my mind...

schaaf
07-21-2011, 03:30 PM
Crack whore.

This.

Dr. Broncenstein
07-21-2011, 03:32 PM
Tougher and smarter.

Taco John
07-21-2011, 03:42 PM
In fairness to Knowshon, Terrell the Great had a hard time keeping his weight up. His listed playing weight was always 210, but I was told on the side that he was probably 10 pounds less than that, and that by the end of the season, it was probably more than 10 lbs. less than that. Take it for what it's worth. It's just something that I had been told years ago.

phibacka31
07-21-2011, 03:45 PM
I get the hate, McD pick at no 12...

Averaged overall 1200 ish yards and 8.5 tds a year is not a bust in your first 2 years. Certainly not a "noshow".

Thank you...

DBroncos4life
07-21-2011, 03:48 PM
In fairness to Knowshon, Terrell the Great had a hard time keeping his weight up. His listed playing weight was always 210, but I was told on the side that he was probably 10 pounds less than that, and that by the end of the season, it was probably more than 10 lbs. less than that. Take it for what it's worth. It's just something that I had been told years ago.

I believe Portis had the same issue.

TheReverend
07-21-2011, 04:04 PM
Stupid move

Agamemnon
07-21-2011, 04:07 PM
In fairness to Knowshon, Terrell the Great had a hard time keeping his weight up. His listed playing weight was always 210, but I was told on the side that he was probably 10 pounds less than that, and that by the end of the season, it was probably more than 10 lbs. less than that. Take it for what it's worth. It's just something that I had been told years ago.

Yes but TD actually packed a lot of power in his small frame. Honestly it's hard for me to believe Moreno is TD's size.

(I'm not a Moreno hater mind you, it's just that TD was the greatest back I ever saw play.)

Agamemnon
07-21-2011, 04:11 PM
Stupid move

Maybe, but I have a feeling he's going to splitting duty with someone else quite a bit more this year, and if he's used primarily as our 3rd down back and in space his size won't make much difference.

TheReverend
07-21-2011, 04:14 PM
Maybe, but I have a feeling he's going to splitting duty with someone else quite a bit more this year, and if he's used primarily as our 3rd down back and in space his size won't make much difference.

If he's used primarily as our 3rd down back, his entire existence won't make much difference.

rocket88
07-21-2011, 04:28 PM
In fairness to Knowshon, Terrell the Great had a hard time keeping his weight up. His listed playing weight was always 210, but I was told on the side that he was probably 10 pounds less than that, and that by the end of the season, it was probably more than 10 lbs. less than that. Take it for what it's worth. It's just something that I had been told years ago.

http://i.imgur.com/QYIze.jpg

WolfpackGuy
07-21-2011, 04:40 PM
What good is a scat back who can't scat?

Maybe that difference of 10 pounds will take the pressure off his tender hammies and lungs.

Br0nc0Buster
07-21-2011, 04:56 PM
Not sure if this is good news or not
200 seems a bit light for someone without top end speed

oh well at least hes been working out it seems
much better than if he was 240 or something like that

Lestat
07-21-2011, 05:21 PM
if he can gain quickness and elusiveness from this then it would be very good for us.
but he's got to stay healthy and get it going on a consistent basis.

Hamrob
07-21-2011, 05:25 PM
In fairness to Knowshon, Terrell the Great had a hard time keeping his weight up. His listed playing weight was always 210, but I was told on the side that he was probably 10 pounds less than that, and that by the end of the season, it was probably more than 10 lbs. less than that. Take it for what it's worth. It's just something that I had been told years ago.Hmmm...Portis had 4.3 speed and Davis had superior vision.

What does "Tiny Dancer" have?

OABB
07-21-2011, 05:35 PM
Beetus?

OABB
07-21-2011, 05:56 PM
Hmmm...Portis had 4.3 speed and Davis had superior vision.

What does "Tiny Dancer" have?

****ty fans.

bronco militia
07-21-2011, 05:57 PM
Beetus?

;D

Dr. Broncenstein
07-21-2011, 06:07 PM
****ty fans.

Cuff 'em and stuff 'em.

SoCalBronco
07-21-2011, 06:11 PM
Hopefully the ballerina isn't a puss this year.

OABB
07-21-2011, 06:14 PM
Hopefully the ballerina isn't a puss this year.

I thought you liked guys that leave games with minor injuries ;)>

ZONA
07-21-2011, 06:14 PM
I think Moreno's path to success would be similar to that of Emmit Smith. Smith didn't have great speed or Barry Sanders shiftyness. He had a sense of timing within the blocking scheme and was a tough bugger to bring down, as ran with balance and a good low pad level. It also helped his QB, WR and OL were stellar.

SoCalBronco
07-21-2011, 06:16 PM
I thought you liked guys that leave games with minor injuries ;)>

3-6 week injuries generally aren't minor. :)

Dagmar
07-21-2011, 06:31 PM
His stats mean nothing when there is an Orangemane witch hunt?

Missed 3 full games through injury.

1726 Rushing, 585 Receiving, 17 TDs.

His draft position doesn't make him a worse player than Beanie Wells etc.

HAT
07-21-2011, 07:27 PM
Beetus?

Bastard....I had a Wilford pic all lined up and was all excited that it hadn't been mentioned on page 1.

Clicked to page 2 and BAM....OABB on the case.

Mogulseeker
07-21-2011, 07:48 PM
His stats mean nothing when there is an Orangemane witch hunt?

Missed 3 full games through injury.

1726 Rushing, 585 Receiving, 17 TDs.

His draft position doesn't make him a worse player than Beanie Wells etc.

Give Moreno a chance, haha... Denver fans were spoiled with Shanahan. Moreno really isn't that bad.

Archer81
07-21-2011, 07:58 PM
His stats mean nothing when there is an Orangemane witch hunt?

Missed 3 full games through injury.

1726 Rushing, 585 Receiving, 17 TDs.

His draft position doesn't make him a worse player than Beanie Wells etc.


People expect the 12th overall pick to have 1,726 rushing yards, 585 rec yards and 17tds in a season. Moreno is a solid back. People need to scale back their expectations. When the o-line improves, his numbers for a single season will improve.

:Broncos:

serious hops
07-21-2011, 08:08 PM
His draft position doesn't make him a worse player than Beanie Wells etc.

Saying that he's not worse than Beanie Wells really isn't any kind of compliment. Just sayin'. . .

TheReverend
07-21-2011, 08:16 PM
I wonder how slow AND small is going to pan out for him

:(

Taco John
07-21-2011, 08:25 PM
Calling him Marino is a low blow...

bronco militia
07-21-2011, 08:29 PM
Calling him Marino is a low blow...

Ha!

serious hops
07-22-2011, 02:29 AM
Calling him Marino is a low blow...

U hhh. . . unless you're thinking of a Marino not named Dan, it's an utterly undeserved compliment. Or do you think Knowshon is currently on pace to be a first-ballot Hall of Famer?

Agamemnon
07-22-2011, 02:46 AM
Gotta say all the hate for one of the better players on our roster is kind of odd.

Dr. Broncenstein
07-22-2011, 03:03 AM
Gotta say all the hate for one of the better players on our roster is kind of odd.

That's because you are a better fan.

KevinJames
07-22-2011, 03:13 AM
this is great news

if he can get back to this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gwgWDKKYGA

we'd only be better for it, pair him with another back and profit.

Agamemnon
07-22-2011, 03:50 AM
this is great news

if he can get back to this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gwgWDKKYGA

we'd only be better for it, pair him with another back and profit.

Gotta agree. He's never looked as crisp in the NFL and I've got to wonder if the extra weight is the difference. Pretty sure he played at 190 or so in college (think they listed him at 200 or so but I never believed it) and he was so much more fluid and nimble back then.

He's been better than a lot of Broncos fans give him credit for, but at the same time he's definitely not been the same caliber of back as he was in college. He's not a bell cow runner, and trying to make him one (by having him put on weight that doesn't really suit him) has probably been a mistake.

Drek
07-22-2011, 04:09 AM
Gotta agree. He's never looked as crisp in the NFL and I've got to wonder if the extra weight is the difference. Pretty sure he played at 190 or so in college (think they listed him at 200 or so but I never believed it) and he was so much more fluid and nimble back then.

He's been better than a lot of Broncos fans give him credit for, but at the same time he's definitely not been the same caliber of back as he was in college. He's not a bell cow runner, and trying to make him one (by having him put on weight that doesn't really suit him) has probably been a mistake.

He's never been truly healthy in the NFL regular season, not even at the start of seasons.

I don't care if Moreno is 190 right now. Hell, even 180. Just as long as this trainer he's been working with has focused on getting him to a point where his hamstrings will stop pulling and tearing every hard cut or sharp twist.

He can put weight back on and Moreno at 200 isn't going to be functionally different than Moreno at 208 or 212. But Moreno trying to have extra size and as a result being unable to keep his hammies and knees in tact is a no win deal.

It is nice to hear that he stayed in town and worked out in Denver for the off-season. A lot of guys even when there isn't a lockout run to their home towns for the off-season and show up completely unprepared for working at altitude come camps. We've got less time for that this year than ever before but that now should not be an extra hurdle for Moreno.

OABB
07-22-2011, 08:41 AM
Maybe he shed weight so he could fit through the holes in the oline? his hearts in the right place, but he will need to get down to 7 pounds and learn to run sideways to do that.

Beantown Bronco
07-22-2011, 08:50 AM
I wonder how slow AND small is going to pan out for him

:(

Could be worse....

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Drunk Monkey
07-22-2011, 08:57 AM
this is great news

if he can get back to this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gwgWDKKYGA

we'd only be better for it, pair him with another back and profit.

Something about McGoober, Moreno tearing up SEC but not NFL ect.....

underrated29
07-22-2011, 09:04 AM
What does "Tiny Dancer" have?



Quentin Griffen is back on this team?

TheReverend
07-22-2011, 09:06 AM
Quentin Griffen is back on this team?

If he's under 200 lbs now, basically, yeah. Only slower.

Kaylore
07-22-2011, 09:15 AM
http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/political-pictures-jazz-hands.jpg

Requiem
07-22-2011, 12:24 PM
Same losers hating on Moreno? Lol.

Pony Boy
07-22-2011, 01:59 PM
I think Moreno's path to success would be similar to that of Emmit Smith. Smith didn't have great speed or Barry Sanders shiftyness. He had a sense of timing within the blocking scheme and was a tough bugger to bring down, as ran with balance and a good low pad level. It also helped his QB, WR and OL were stellar.

Wow, that takes some balls to mention Moreno, Smith and Sanders in the same paragraph......... now we're looking at the HOF for sure.

OABB
07-22-2011, 02:04 PM
Wow, that takes some balls to mention Moreno, Smith and Sanders in the same paragraph......... now we're looking at the HOF for sure.

Way to read what he said.

Requiem
07-22-2011, 02:36 PM
Internet Champ!

Dagmar
07-22-2011, 02:36 PM
Way to read what he said.

Why would he do that? Then he couldn't insult him!

OABB
07-22-2011, 02:43 PM
Internet Champ!

When you need me, just shine a light in the sky. Ill be there.

ChrisToker
07-23-2011, 01:21 AM
Hey way to go KnoSho, was wondering how you could get injured more frequently?

Anyways i think he was just a tad over 2bills when he played college ball. So i can only hope he can break out of funk and become the dominant rusher i expected going pro.

RunSilentRunDeep
07-23-2011, 06:18 AM
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2011/0722/20110722__20110723_C01_SP23FBNMORENO%7Ep1.JPG

Looks like Knowshon means business.

(http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18534215)http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18534215
(http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18534215)

Drunk Monkey
07-23-2011, 06:28 AM
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2011/0722/20110722__20110723_C01_SP23FBNMORENO%7Ep1.JPG

Looks like Knowshon means business.

(http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18534215)http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18534215
(http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18534215)

At least he hasn't lost the weight sitting around on the couch. I share the same sentiment that some others have expresses that he needs to produce this year. If he doesn't I am jumping on the hater waggon, having said that at least he is trying something new to minimize his injury. He acknowledged that what he used to do was not working.

Drek
07-23-2011, 07:19 AM
Looks like Knowshon means business.

(http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18534215)http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18534215
(http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18534215)

My big lingering concern with that article: How has a guy been affiliated with an NFL team for almost two whole years and no one 1. thought to have him stay at the playing weight he crushed at in college and 2. no one ever put him through similar conditioning?

This blurb:
Moreno, the Broncos' third-year running back, had just cranked out 45 "thrusters" — an overhead press with a 95-pound bar — and those 45 pull-ups — broken up into sets of 21, 15 then 9, all in 3 minutes, 39 seconds. That time is considered elite by CrossFit standards, and shows an improvement of 4 1/2 minutes from when he first did this fitness test six weeks ago.

States that he more than cut his time in half doing this exercise. Obviously there is some learning curve and comfort factor with all high intensity workouts, but it shouldn't lead to that massive of an improvement in six weeks.

Did the Broncos have Moreno work out at all? Or did they just look at him coming from the combine and think "dude's pretty cut. Good enough!" He put on 10 pounds for the combine, probably due to his agent telling him ~215-220 is the weight teams want to see "feature backs" at. In retrospect its clear he dramatically altered his physical conditioning for the combine. So did McDaniels draft the 217 pound "feature back" he saw at the combine or did he want the 200 pound elite collegiate back? Because if it was the later someone really ****ed up when Moreno got here letting him stay at 210 or better.

HorseHead
07-23-2011, 07:21 AM
I wonder what Lendale has been lifting lately...

Dagmar
07-23-2011, 08:10 AM
I wonder what Lendale has been lifting lately...

I think if Lendale treats this opportunity as what it is, ie, his LAST chance to make it in the NFL with his home town team as well, he has a chance to contribute well. If he pisses it up the wall he can go join Clarett.

Bronkota
07-23-2011, 08:53 AM
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj41/bronkota/peyton-hillis-hat.png

Thinks thread is funny!

Inkana7
07-23-2011, 12:33 PM
Increased his pull-ups from 14 to 40? Damn.

baja
07-23-2011, 12:42 PM
Stupid move

Says the guy that wouldn't know KM if he stepped on his dick.

razorwire77
07-23-2011, 12:53 PM
My big lingering concern with that article: How has a guy been affiliated with an NFL team for almost two whole years and no one 1. thought to have him stay at the playing weight he crushed at in college and 2. no one ever put him through similar conditioning?

This blurb:


States that he more than cut his time in half doing this exercise. Obviously there is some learning curve and comfort factor with all high intensity workouts, but it shouldn't lead to that massive of an improvement in six weeks.

Did the Broncos have Moreno work out at all? Or did they just look at him coming from the combine and think "dude's pretty cut. Good enough!" He put on 10 pounds for the combine, probably due to his agent telling him ~215-220 is the weight teams want to see "feature backs" at. In retrospect its clear he dramatically altered his physical conditioning for the combine. So did McDaniels draft the 217 pound "feature back" he saw at the combine or did he want the 200 pound elite collegiate back? Because if it was the later someone really ****ed up when Moreno got here letting him stay at 210 or better.

Probably cleaned up his diet too. I've always thought the "he needs an extra 10-15 pounds" on skill position players is overrated. In addition to the hammy problems, Moreno looked tight and inflexible last year, which probably contributed to a lot of balance issues he had. Great backs whether they are 230 or 190 have to have vision, explosiveness and balance. It looks like Moreno is working hard to improve the last two. Hope he's successful, because this team is going to have to establish the run early in games or Tebow is going to get killed off of play action.

ChrisToker
07-23-2011, 03:07 PM
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj41/bronkota/peyton-hillis-hat.png

Thinks thread is funny!

To be honest the main reason i give KnoSho soooooooo much grief is the fact Hillis got swept under the table when McDouchebag was our coach. Hillis must have urinated in McDummys coffee or something to get sidelined for short yardage situations................

Agamemnon
07-23-2011, 04:02 PM
Probably cleaned up his diet too. I've always thought the "he needs an extra 10-15 pounds" on skill position players is overrated. In addition to the hammy problems, Moreno looked tight and inflexible last year, which probably contributed to a lot of balance issues he had. Great backs whether they are 230 or 190 have to have vision, explosiveness and balance. It looks like Moreno is working hard to improve the last two. Hope he's successful, because this team is going to have to establish the run early in games or Tebow is going to get killed off of play action.

Tebow will be fine. I worry more for the poor DEs trying to take him down...they might pull something. ;D

By the way, am I the only one excited to see this new Moreno with the return of zone blocking? I've always thought Moreno would be better with zone blocking rather than power blocking.

Mogulseeker
07-23-2011, 04:28 PM
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2011/0722/20110722__20110723_C01_SP23FBNMORENO%7Ep1.JPG

Looks like Knowshon means business.

(http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18534215)http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18534215
(http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18534215)

Dude that could be like his 100th rep or something.

Tombstone RJ
07-23-2011, 04:40 PM
Posted July 21, 2011, 12:44 pm MT Lighter Knowshon attends Camp LandowBy Mike Klis Comments (1)

Broncos running back Knowshon Moreno almost looked downright skinny.

Moreno has spent most of his offseason working out with a downtown Denver trainer but he joined “the guys” Thursday at Valor Christian High School.

Moreno, who played at between 208 to 212 pounds his first two seasons with the Broncos, says he weighs 200 now. He looks less than that.


“I’ve just been working out hard,” Moreno said. “Real hard. I haven’t tried to lose weight or anything.”

Moreno is expected to be the Broncos’ starting tailback for a third consecutive season, although the team will add a 1B-type runner through free agency.

There were 19 Broncos among the 45 local professional players who attended the conditioning session Thursday led by performance trainer Loren Landow in Highlands Ranch.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2011/07/21/lighter-knowshon-attends-camp-landow/7882/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dp-blogs-broncos+%28Denver+Post%3A+Sports%3A+Bronco

if it helps him with speed I say it's a good thing, lose wait bro... just like ya'know break a few long tds...

Tombstone RJ
07-23-2011, 04:41 PM
...don't be shy to find the inzone...

Lolad
07-29-2011, 07:12 AM
Can somebody post Morenos updated pic from day 1 pm blog. I'll reserve judgement until I see him in games. He just looks frail

cmhargrove
07-29-2011, 07:14 AM
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2011/0722/20110722__20110723_C01_SP23FBNMORENO%7Ep1.JPG

Looks like Knowshon means business.

(http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18534215)http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18534215
(http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18534215)

Looks like he just sharted.