Obama Threatens “No Social Security or Veterans Checks”

[Pony Boy]

OBAMA THREATENS TO HOLD UP SOCIAL SECURITY AND VETERANS CHECKS

President Obama on Tuesday said he cannot guarantee that retirees will receive their Social Security checks August 3 if Democrats and Republicans in Washington do not reach an agreement on reducing the deficit in the coming weeks.

"I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven't resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it," Mr. Obama said in an interview with CBS Evening News anchor Scott Pelley, according to excerpts released by CBS News.

President Obama said "this is not just a matter of Social Security checks. These are veterans checks, these are folks on disability and their checks. There are about 70 million checks that go out."

I bet congress gets their payroll checks

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20078789-503544.html

[TailgateNut]

I bet the T word will come up pretty quick. Time to rescind tax cuts and elliminate loopholes.

[peacepipe]

OBAMA THREATENS TO HOLD UP SOCIAL SECURITY AND VETERANS CHECKS

President Obama on Tuesday said he cannot guarantee that retirees will receive their Social Security checks August 3 if Democrats and Republicans in Washington do not reach an agreement on reducing the deficit in the coming weeks.

"I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven't resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it," Mr. Obama said in an interview with CBS Evening News anchor Scott Pelley, according to excerpts released by CBS News.

President Obama said "this is not just a matter of Social Security checks. These are veterans checks, these are folks on disability and their checks. There are about 70 million checks that go out."

I bet congress gets their payroll checks

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20078789-503544.html

you're a pathetic bitch,claiming obama is making threats.

[ghwk]

I see you have picked up epic fails propensity of lying in thread titles. Congratulations you have now achieve Dickdom like your messed up leader.

[epicSocialism4tw]

OBAMA THREATENS TO HOLD UP SOCIAL SECURITY AND VETERANS CHECKS

President Obama on Tuesday said he cannot guarantee that retirees will receive their Social Security checks August 3 if Democrats and Republicans in Washington do not reach an agreement on reducing the deficit in the coming weeks.

"I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven't resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it," Mr. Obama said in an interview with CBS Evening News anchor Scott Pelley, according to excerpts released by CBS News.

President Obama said "this is not just a matter of Social Security checks. These are veterans checks, these are folks on disability and their checks. There are about 70 million checks that go out."

I bet congress gets their payroll checks

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20078789-503544.html

This is the second time he has used this "if the republicans get their way, we wont pay you" bit.

Its hard to believe that a president of the united states would resort to that type of behavior.

We have Chicagoland thuggery at work in the dadgum oval office. What the heck has happened to this country? First Bush takes a big dump on the nation, then Barack Obama shows up and hauls in manure from the butts of every third-world nation on the planet and dumps it on our people.

Was it possible to be worse than Bush so soon? I didn't think it was possible, but Barack Obama has proved it to be true time and time again. At least 57 times.

His "other Americans who don't agree with us are our enemies" administration has also managed to polarize the nation in a way it hasn't been since Civil War times.

[Pony Boy]

you're a pathetic b****,claiming obama is making threats.

So tell me pisspipe, is it a threat if your bank tells you that if you don't make your mortgage payment they can't guarantee you will be in your house next month? Did you watch the video?

[Boomhauer]

OP's CBS article includes a straight-forward threat by little-O to cut off SocialSecurity and Veteran's payments.
Despite little-O's threats, bandaid/pea-eater name-calling and childish tantrums, seems options other than his are being pursued.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20078789-503544.html
~~ "I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven't resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it," Mr. Obama said ... "this is not just a matter of Social Security checks. These are veterans checks, these are folks on disability and their checks. There are about 70 million checks that go out."

~~ "After years of discussions and months of negotiations, I have little question that as long as this president is in the Oval Office, a real solution is probably unattainable," (Mitch McConnell) said ... "The president has presented us with three choices: smoke and mirrors, tax hikes, or default. Republicans choose none of the above."

[Hogan11]

The new American credo: "Compromise equals weakness"

[peacepipe]

So tell me pisspipe, is it a threat if your bank tells you that if you don't make your mortgage payment they can't guarantee you will be in your house next month? Did you watch the video?

no. he is doing his job as president in informing the public of what may happen if reps force a default.

[Meck77]

Blah blah blah...blame..blah blah blah..blame....

This thread is a perfect example why gold marches on.....

http://www.monex.com/prods/gold_chart.html

Carry on.........

[Requiem]

With the thread titles Pony Boy and Llama Humper put out there, you actually begin to question whether or not they read these articles.

[DenverBrit]

So tell me pisspipe, is it a threat if your bank tells you that if you don't make your mortgage payment they can't guarantee you will be in your house next month? Did you watch the video?

If the Bank has been cut off from funds, and is in default, no. It's simply the potential reality. As you know, defaulting has consequences.

One things is certain, if they default, that same bank's stock will plummet and borrowing again will be very expensive.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Obama just torpedoed his party's last bastion of hope with that stupid statement. Now, if I'm in the GOP, my only message becomes 'The GOP will protect Social Security from Obama's plan and recommendation to shred the program/fund so he can feed his spending addiction. Not on our watch.'

If you recall, the Dems have used that as their only real refuge as the throng of R's take their congressional seats. Well, Obama's moronic statement yesterday now throws this to the other side of the aisle. Brilliant tactician, our president.

Couple that with the fact that, um, he's LYING, and this will not end well for he or his party, even with the media carrying his water. Smart power.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Obama just torpedoed his party's last bastion of hope with that stupid statement. Now, if I'm in the GOP, my only message becomes 'The GOP will protect Social Security from Obama's plan and recommendation to shred the program/fund so he can feed his spending addiction. Not on our watch.'

If you recall, the Dems have used that as their only real refuge as the throng of R's take their congressional seats. Well, Obama's moronic statement yesterday now throws this to the other side of the aisle. Brilliant tactician, our president.

Couple that with the fact that, um, he's LYING, and this will not end well for he or his party, even with the media carrying his water. Smart power.

BAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Good luck getting an extremist right-winger to take his place. Not going to happen. Sorry your social engineering experiments have landed on deaf ears.

The Republicans painted themselves into a very tight corner by listening to the extreme wing of the party. Now, they have no room to maneuver.

[TailgateNut]

Obama just torpedoed his party's last bastion of hope with that stupid statement. Now, if I'm in the GOP, my only message becomes 'The GOP will protect Social Security from Obama's plan and recommendation to shred the program/fund so he can feed his spending addiction. Not on our watch.'

If you recall, the Dems have used that as their only real refuge as the throng of R's take their congressional seats. Well, Obama's moronic statement yesterday now throws this to the other side of the aisle. Brilliant tactician, our president.

Couple that with the fact that, um, he's LYING, and this will not end well for he or his party, even with the media carrying his water. Smart power.


Considering the GOPs habit of closing their eyes and ears to reality, this is actually a breath of fresh air. I'd rather face the truth (Obama)than to have someone constantly lie (BushCo)

[ghwk]

Obama just torpedoed his party's last bastion of hope with that stupid statement. Now, if I'm in the GOP, my only message becomes 'The GOP will protect Social Security from Obama's plan and recommendation to shred the program/fund so he can feed his spending addiction. Not on our watch.'

If you recall, the Dems have used that as their only real refuge as the throng of R's take their congressional seats. Well, Obama's moronic statement yesterday now throws this to the other side of the aisle. Brilliant tactician, our president.

Couple that with the fact that, um, he's LYING, and this will not end well for he or his party, even with the media carrying his water. Smart power.

I see you don't actually read anything but the thread titles. What an ignorant comment.

[Rigs11]

Durrr...

Debt ceiling: Chaos if Congress blows it
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- President Obama has put the country on notice that he can't guarantee Social Security and other government checks will go out if the debt ceiling isn't raised by Aug. 2.

So it's worth reviewing just what the fallout could be if lawmakers fail to act on time -- either in early August or sooner if markets start to lose confidence that Congress will get its act together
Nearly half of all government checks won't go out: The Treasury Department would be unable to pay between 40% and 45% of the 80 million payments it needs to make every month, according to an analysis by the Bipartisan Policy Center.Why? It's basic math: The United States doesn't bring in enough revenue to pay all its bills -- with monthly deficits averaging $125 billion.

And if the debt ceiling isn't raised, Treasury won't be allowed to borrow new money to make up for the gap between revenue and spending.

Bottom line: Roughly $125 billion of bills on average may have to be put off.

Millions won't be paid: Just whose payments will be delayed is the question. And the answer won't come easy because any choice will hobble parts of the economy and anger large groups of Americans.

Take Aug. 3 as an example. Treasury is due to send out checks to 29 million Social Security recipients. Of course, they may be paid but only if others are not.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/07/13/news/economy/debt_ceiling_fallout/index.htm?hpt=hp_c1

[Pony Boy]

With the thread titles Pony Boy and Llama Humper put out there, you actually begin to question whether or not they read these articles.

Come on junior don't you need to pop some pimples or somthing?

[TailgateNut]

Damn, the repukes may have to address that pesky TAX the rich issue, or face the wrath.

[Rigs11]

So Boner and Obama come up with a plan that is shunned by the repubs,then Boner says that he supports the plan laid out by Biden,which he publicly criticized last month, now mcconell wants to give obama power to increas ethe limit on his own. durrrr...

[Tombstone RJ]

this whole thing is so stupid its sad. Close the corporate tax loops, and cut spending. If the GOP wants to look good then lower the corporate tax rate to 30% but make sure all the tax loops are closed so the fed gov gets the entire 30%. I mean, how hard is the crap?? The dems have to cut aprox $4t is spending. Just do it.

[Popcorn Sutton]

this whole thing is so stupid its sad. Close the corporate tax loops, and cut spending. If the GOP wants to look good then lower the corporate tax rate to 30% but make sure all the tax loops are closed so the fed gov gets the entire 30%. I mean, how hard is the crap?? The dems have to cut aprox $4t is spending. Just do it.

Amen.

[Pony Boy]

I see you have picked up epic fails propensity of lying in thread titles. Congratulations you have now achieve Dickdom like your messed up leader.

If you didn't like the title tread you're going to hate the title of this article ........


Washington gets $200 billion a month, Social Security costs $50 billion a month, and Obama is threatening to starve Grandma?

President Obama told CBS News today that he "cannot guarantee that those [Social Security] checks go out on August 3rd if we haven't resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it."

But wait just a minute. If Washington receives about $200 billion in monthly revenues and sends out roughly $50 billion worth of Social Security checks and the same amount of Medicare payments, why is Obama claiming the checks may not go out?

Isn't $200 billion minus $100 billion still $100 billion?

Because Obama is playing the demogogue, that's why. Pure and simple. He is trying to scare seniors into making panicked calls to their congressmen begging them to do whatever Obama and the Democrats want in order to keep the checks coming.

This is demogoguery of the worst sort because Obama has to know that what he is saying is false. When you and I say something we know to be false, it's called a "lie."

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/07/washington-gets-200-billion-month-social-security-costs-50-billio

[Popcorn Sutton]

If you didn't like the title tread you're going to hate the title of this article ........


Washington gets $200 billion a month, Social Security costs $50 billion a month, and Obama is threatening to starve Grandma?

President Obama told CBS News today that he "cannot guarantee that those [Social Security] checks go out on August 3rd if we haven't resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it."

But wait just a minute. If Washington receives about $200 billion in monthly revenues and sends out roughly $50 billion worth of Social Security checks and the same amount of Medicare payments, why is Obama claiming the checks may not go out?

Isn't $200 billion minus $100 billion still $100 billion?

Because Obama is playing the demogogue, that's why. Pure and simple. He is trying to scare seniors into making panicked calls to their congressmen begging them to do whatever Obama and the Democrats want in order to keep the checks coming.

This is demogoguery of the worst sort because Obama has to know that what he is saying is false. When you and I say something we know to be false, it's called a "lie."

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/07/washington-gets-200-billion-month-social-security-costs-50-billio

I'm sure there would still be enough money in the coffers to continue our nation building efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

It was a dumb thing to say, IMHO.

[kappys]

The new American credo: "Compromise equals weakness"

Sad when you consider our government was really founded on compromise.

[cutthemdown]

I hate scare tactics like this. Everyone knows they will cut those checks.

[alkemical]

The new American credo: "Compromise equals weakness"

I'd buy that for a $.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Obama just torpedoed his party's last bastion of hope with that stupid statement. Now, if I'm in the GOP, my only message becomes 'The GOP will protect Social Security from Obama's plan and recommendation to shred the program/fund so he can feed his spending addiction. Not on our watch.'

If you recall, the Dems have used that as their only real refuge as the throng of R's take their congressional seats. Well, Obama's moronic statement yesterday now throws this to the other side of the aisle. Brilliant tactician, our president.

Couple that with the fact that, um, he's LYING, and this will not end well for he or his party, even with the media carrying his water. Smart power.

Once it becomes common knowledge that the money is there for Obama to pay out medicare and social security both, and he is simply using it to manipulate seniors, the Dems are as good as toast in 2012.

Couple that with the fact that they are already working on another "stimulus" after the last one failed miserably and its not looking good for the Dems. They just aren't capable of learning from their mistakes and doing whats best for the country.

[Rigs11]

Once it becomes common knowledge that the money is there for Obama to pay out medicare and social security both, and he is simply using it to manipulate seniors, the Dems are as good as toast in 2012.

Couple that with the fact that they are already working on another "stimulus" after the last one failed miserably and its not looking good for the Dems. They just aren't capable of learning from their mistakes and doing whats best for the country.

Keep dreaming,the American people know that the rightards are obstructionists and nothing more.the circus of candidates that you have couldn't win a pie eating contest.

[mhgaffney]

Once again -- the board is vacuous.

Not even one thread is worth reading.

I'm outa here...

[epicSocialism4tw]

Keep dreaming,the American people know that the rightards are obstructionists and nothing more.the circus of candidates that you have couldn't win a pie eating contest.

If you vote for Obama, the joke is on you.

Especially after the fit you liberal moonbats threw daily during the Bush administration. Bush > Obama. That's how sad this clown's presidency has become. He's looking up at W.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Once again -- the board is vacuous.

Not even one thread is worth reading.

I'm outa here...

Alright man, peace out. :peace:

[Hogan11]

Sad when you consider our government was really founded on compromise.

It's a sad state of affairs really. Compromise is seen as weakness and the whole MO is not to work together to accomplish something, but to work against the other parties policies so that they will ultimately fail.

The blame sits at the feet of Mitch McConnell and his unyeilding ilk for this mess.

[epicSocialism4tw]

It's a sad state of affairs really. Compromise is seen as weakness and the whole MO is not to work together to accomplish something, but to work against the other parties policies so that they will ultimately fail.

The blame sits at the feet of Mitch McConnell and his unyeilding ilk for this mess.

Sorry man, McConnell doesn't have any control in this deal at all. He's a relative bystander in the senate. The people with the power are Obama, Reid, and Boehner, and the dems have a 2-1 advantage giving them the power to call most of the shots.

The House can push a bill through, but without senate and then presidential approval, the bill doesn't make it.

The president is trying to use this event to screw over repubs to give them ammo for the next election cycle. The repubs are trying to do the will of their constituencies by cutting back the govt's increasing financial intrusion. These people are concerned primarily about the economy, and they believe that the way to do it is to cut back the govt spending that stifles the growth of small businesses. The dems got their shot and failed. The stimulus failed. Its time to start trying other methods, and its time to actually make a deal with the republicans instead of ramming through 11th hour bills only later to "find out what is in them".

You talked of compromise being seen as weakness, and complained of the inability of our politicians to work together. Well, here we have a chance to see what compromise looks like. Raise the debt ceiling...give the Dems their bit, cut spending back dollar per dollar to give the repubs their bit, and pass a balanced budget amendment for the American people.

[epicSocialism4tw]

You know what's shockingly ironic about his whole thing, is that everyone in America pays 15.3% of every paycheck into Social Security and Medicare. You know that cute little letter with green-tinted font that the Soc. Security administration sends you every now and again? That is an account of what you have paid in. That money is supposed to be yours. Its supposed to be in an account with your name on it, set aside for you alone (or your spouse after you die) to use for retirement. It is NOT a government hand-out. It is YOUR money.

The same goes for Medicare.

You pay 12.4% of your paycheck into Soc. Security, and 2.9% into medicare. Those are YOUR accounts set aside for YOUR use.

They aren't supposed to be tapped, without your implicit approval, for use in whatever the federal government deems necessary.

The best way to solve the Soc. Security/Medicare issues? Get the feds' hands out of it.

[peacepipe]

You know what's shockingly ironic about his whole thing, is that everyone in America pays 15.3% of every paycheck into Social Security and Medicare. You know that cute little letter with green-tinted font that the Soc. Security administration sends you every now and again? That is an account of what you have paid in. That money is supposed to be yours. Its supposed to be in an account with your name on it, set aside for you alone (or your spouse after you die) to use for retirement. It is NOT a government hand-out. It is YOUR money.

The same goes for Medicare.

You pay 12.4% of your paycheck into Soc. Security, and 2.9% into medicare. Those are YOUR accounts set aside for YOUR use.

They aren't supposed to be tapped, without your implicit approval, for use in whatever the federal government deems necessary.

The best way to solve the Soc. Security/Medicare issues? Get the feds' hands out of it.so how much of your money are you going to give that ceo in his yearly bonus/profit margin when it goes private? this is assuming the market never crashes again.

[Rigs11]

If you vote for Obama, the joke is on you.

Especially after the fit you liberal moonbats threw daily during the Bush administration. Bush > Obama. That's how sad this clown's presidency has become. He's looking up at W.

Yeah instead I should vote for bachmann or palin right? You're a dipshet.

[Garcia Bronco]

So Boner and Obama come up with a plan that is shunned by the repubs,then Boner says that he supports the plan laid out by Biden,which he publicly criticized last month, now mcconell wants to give obama power to increas ethe limit on his own. durrrr...

It's the ****ing rookie hour out there...all of them...Obama included.

[alkemical]

Well, this is a good way to stop entitlements, right?

just run out of $.

[Smiling Assassin27]

...And a man who fancies himself a god feels a very human chill crawl up his spine.

http://gordonandthewhale.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/xerxes.jpg

Ronald Reagan would not sit here like this!---PBHO

[cutthemdown]

If you didn't like the title tread you're going to hate the title of this article ........


Washington gets $200 billion a month, Social Security costs $50 billion a month, and Obama is threatening to starve Grandma?

President Obama told CBS News today that he "cannot guarantee that those [Social Security] checks go out on August 3rd if we haven't resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it."

But wait just a minute. If Washington receives about $200 billion in monthly revenues and sends out roughly $50 billion worth of Social Security checks and the same amount of Medicare payments, why is Obama claiming the checks may not go out?

Isn't $200 billion minus $100 billion still $100 billion?

Because Obama is playing the demogogue, that's why. Pure and simple. He is trying to scare seniors into making panicked calls to their congressmen begging them to do whatever Obama and the Democrats want in order to keep the checks coming.

This is demogoguery of the worst sort because Obama has to know that what he is saying is false. When you and I say something we know to be false, it's called a "lie."

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/07/washington-gets-200-billion-month-social-security-costs-50-billio

The little old lady who lives across the way from me all scared. I was out talking with her son and he is like she thinks she won't get dead husbands soc sec check because of what Obama said. What little bit of admiration I had left for our President is gone now. What a dick! I told her not to worry she doesn't get her check i will pay her bills, thats how sure i am she will get it. It's not right what Obama has done, threatening the checks, no dems should agree with that. We all know the checks will go out, so why the drama? Because Obama is an ends justify the means sort of person. He will say anything no matter how untrue.

[cutthemdown]

Obama shut Cantor down, those sources revealed, saying "enough is enough" and telling him, "Don't call my bluff." One source said the president, before walking out of the room, told Cantor he "will not yield" on his push for revenue increases and will take it to the American people for support.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/14/dems-slam-cantor-as-patience-runs-thin-in-tense-deficit-talks/#ixzz1S6gfk2ib

LOL Obama yelled at him and said don't call my bluff. Bascially admitting right there that his threat to not send the soc security checks is a bluff meant to scare Americans. What a turd. Hold firm repubs and don't let Obama lie to Americans anymore.

[peacepipe]

Obama shut Cantor down, those sources revealed, saying "enough is enough" and telling him, "Don't call my bluff." One source said the president, before walking out of the room, told Cantor he "will not yield" on his push for revenue increases and will take it to the American people for support.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/14/dems-slam-cantor-as-patience-runs-thin-in-tense-deficit-talks/#ixzz1S6gfk2ib

LOL Obama yelled at him and said don't call my bluff. Bascially admitting right there that his threat to not send the soc security checks is a bluff meant to scare Americans. What a turd. Hold firm repubs and don't let Obama lie to Americans anymore.


posted like a true right wing republican. you been itching to see Obama lose this battle since the get go. It must bug the hell out of you that Obama will win this.

[cutthemdown]

posted like a true right wing republican. you been itching to see Obama lose this battle since the get go. It must bug the hell out of you that Obama will win this.

Does it really seem to you like I am the one who gets the most upset on here? LOL cmon? Funny in another post i said i am for gays marrying, but I am right wing. Tell me how often do you support the republicans on issues? Just wondering. If anything I am middle of the road and you are left wing. To be middle you have to support issues on both sides of the spectrum. Everyone knows Obama won't stop the checks so why do you support him threatening old people? is that really the way to do it?

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Obama shut Cantor down, those sources revealed, saying "enough is enough" and telling him, "Don't call my bluff." One source said the president, before walking out of the room, told Cantor he "will not yield" on his push for revenue increases and will take it to the American people for support.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/14/dems-slam-cantor-as-patience-runs-thin-in-tense-deficit-talks/#ixzz1S6gfk2ib

LOL Obama yelled at him and said don't call my bluff. Bascially admitting right there that his threat to not send the soc security checks is a bluff meant to scare Americans. What a turd. Hold firm repubs and don't let Obama lie to Americans anymore.


You're just really dumb.

"Don't call my bluff," as in "don't attempt to get smart and think I won't just take care of this without you." It had nothing to do with his threat of not sending social security checks.

Stop being dumb.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Yeah instead I should vote for bachmann or palin right? You're a dipshet.

Absolutely. Both Palin and Bachmann are far more capable of leadership in every area of govt than is Obama. He has proven himself to be the least capable man for the job. I would have no second thoughts about voting in a tough, strong woman into office in front of the spineless divider Obama.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Obama shut Cantor down, those sources revealed, saying "enough is enough" and telling him, "Don't call my bluff." One source said the president, before walking out of the room, told Cantor he "will not yield" on his push for revenue increases and will take it to the American people for support.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/14/dems-slam-cantor-as-patience-runs-thin-in-tense-deficit-talks/#ixzz1S6gfk2ib

LOL Obama yelled at him and said don't call my bluff. Bascially admitting right there that his threat to not send the soc security checks is a bluff meant to scare Americans. What a turd. Hold firm repubs and don't let Obama lie to Americans anymore.


I'm having a hard time remembering any single time that Barack Obama has ever told the truth as president. Even his "transparency" bit was a complete and utter lie.

His legacy is that of a pathological liar.

[TonyR]

You pay 12.4% of your paycheck into Soc. Security, and 2.9% into medicare. Those are YOUR accounts set aside for YOUR use.

Actually, in 2011, you pay 4.2% in Social Security and 1.45% in Medicare while youre employer pays 6.2% and 1.45%. Income over $106,800 is not assessed Social Security, so those making over that amount pay a lower effective rate.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Actually, in 2011, you pay 4.2% in Social Security and 1.45% in Medicare while youre employer pays 6.2% and 1.45%. Income over $106,800 is not assessed Social Security, so those making over that amount pay a lower effective rate.

I don't have time to look those numbers up, but don't you agree that those monies should be used for their intended purpose?

[cutthemdown]

You're just really dumb.

"Don't call my bluff," as in "don't attempt to get smart and think I won't just take care of this without you." It had nothing to do with his threat of not sending social security checks.

Stop being dumb.

If he can take care of it without Congress then why all the drama? No! he was saying don't call my bluff on the social security checks. Obama lies all the time even you know that. Also you have to admit his transparency pledge was also a joke. Hell he has his admin meet with lobbyist outside of the whitehouse so he doesn't have to record the visit in the log. He's a joke just admit. If you were smart you would be trying to find a better candidate to run against Obama in a primary. He's a trainwreck and you know it.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

If he can take care of it without Congress then why all the drama? No! he was saying don't call my bluff on the social security checks. Obama lies all the time even you know that. Also you have to admit his transparency pledge was also a joke. Hell he has his admin meet with lobbyist outside of the whitehouse so he doesn't have to record the visit in the log. He's a joke just admit. If you were smart you would be trying to find a better candidate to run against Obama in a primary. He's a trainwreck and you know it.

Whatever you say, big fella. Let us all know when you change your mind on this like you do on everything else you've ever taken a stand on.

[cutthemdown]

Whatever you say, big fella. Let us all know when you change your mind on this like you do on everything else you've ever taken a stand on.

If Obama stops lying I will then change my mind and say he isn't a liar anymore. How is that for ya lil fella? Of course that won't happen.

[Rigs11]

It's the ****ing rookie hour out there...all of them...Obama included.

as usual you are full of shet. Obama offered trillions in tax cuts for billions in return in tax revenues. do us a favor and look up the definition of negotiation.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Try this on. Obama has said that the ABSOLUTE worst thing that could happen is default. Now we already know that we have enough to cover our debt just with the revenue we currently take in, but let's ignore that for a moment and get back to Obama's position that THE worst thing that could occur would be default. And he's suggested that it's essentially economic armageddon, the financial rapture, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria.

Now, if this is truly the case (assuming Obama is telling the truth), then the MOST important thing to do in this little kabuki dance with the GOP is avoid default, period. So Cantor et al offers up a short term deal that would stave off default through mid 2012 in return for spending cuts. Mind you, the plan does what Obama has said is THE most important thing--avoid default. And he petulantly storms out without giving that offer a second thought. Why? Obama has told us that avoiding default is the only thing that matters. This plan (it may or may not have been proposed by Cantor, I don't know) does that but ensures that we face another potential nuclear crisis in mid-2012. Why does Obama walk away from it? Oh, that's right, he'll be smack dab in the middle of an election in mid-2012.

So you tell me, did Obama lie or tell the truth about default being the be all end all crisis facing us? Did he tell the truth or lie that he's all about 'shared sacrifice', when his 'share' of the sacrifice would only be having to go through this--you know, doing his job--again next year? Anyone who's paying attention can easily see through Obama's fables.

[Smiling Assassin27]

as usual you are full of shet. Obama offered trillions in tax cuts for billions in return in tax revenues. do us a favor and look up the definition of negotiation.

Stop making stuff up. Obama has offered NO concrete plan, but has only talked in generalities and platitudes. Hell, the entire Democratic party has done that for 800 days in not passing a friggin' budget. You really ought to be ashamed of them, not shooting the messenger.


Oh, and hey, had Obama actually lived up to his campaign promises, maybe we could get all these negotiations on C-Span, and you'd KNOW what has been proposed and what hasn't. Instead, it's all backdoor, top secret bullcrap. Dude's a farce.

[Rigs11]

Stop making stuff up. Obama has offered NO concrete plan, but has only talked in generalities and platitudes. Hell, the entire Democratic party has done that for 800 days in not passing a friggin' budget. You really ought to be ashamed of them, not shooting the messenger.


Oh, and hey, had Obama actually lived up to his campaign promises, maybe we could get all these negotiations on C-Span, and you'd KNOW what has been proposed and what hasn't. Instead, it's all backdoor, top secret bullcrap. Dude's a farce.

dipshet, obama offered 4 trillion in cuts.he offered to close loopholes like all you geniuses keep suggesting. Boner supported this, until the rest of the obstructionist party said no. You can have your own opinions not your own facts.

[cutthemdown]

Doesn't matter what Obama calls them. They are more tax on corporations at a time when we want them to hire. No wonder unemployment has stayed high. We all wondered why businesses were not spending. It's because they are more in tune to what Obama wants to do. They knew he would be pushing for this eventually. It's because Obamas plan is to eventually tax the hell out of corporations and the rich that they sit on the sidelines and dont grow the economy. They aren't stupid. They know what he is up to. Make the cuts and raise the debt limit. It's cut, for more debt, that is the deal. Obama wants to add more taxes on top of getting the debt limit raised. It's BS to raise tax in a recession even Obama said that. Oh wait sorry he has fudged the numbers and called it a recovery, my bad.

[Rigs11]

Doesn't matter what Obama calls them. They are more tax on corporations at a time when we want them to hire. No wonder unemployment has stayed high. We all wondered why businesses were not spending. It's because they are more in tune to what Obama wants to do. They knew he would be pushing for this eventually. It's because Obamas plan is to eventually tax the hell out of corporations and the rich that they sit on the sidelines and dont grow the economy. They aren't stupid. They know what he is up to. Make the cuts and raise the debt limit. It's cut, for more debt, that is the deal. Obama wants to add more taxes on top of getting the debt limit raised. It's BS to raise tax in a recession even Obama said that. Oh wait sorry he has fudged the numbers and called it a recovery, my bad.

more bs, these companies were laying people off before obama was even sworn in. and they've had these tax cuts in places since 2003.Keep trying.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Tax cuts have been in effect since Obama took office. Taxes have been LOWERED since he took office.

Where are the jobs?

You're buying into the 30 year FAILED policy of trickle down economic theory. It is a FAILED principle. The only people who still believe in it are the Republicans, and the only reason THEY believe in it is because it's so good for their corporate masters.

[ghwk]

Doesn't matter what Obama calls them. They are more tax on corporations at a time when we want them to hire. No wonder unemployment has stayed high. We all wondered why businesses were not spending. It's because they are more in tune to what Obama wants to do. They knew he would be pushing for this eventually. It's because Obamas plan is to eventually tax the hell out of corporations and the rich that they sit on the sidelines and dont grow the economy. They aren't stupid. They know what he is up to. Make the cuts and raise the debt limit. It's cut, for more debt, that is the deal. Obama wants to add more taxes on top of getting the debt limit raised. It's BS to raise tax in a recession even Obama said that. Oh wait sorry he has fudged the numbers and called it a recovery, my bad.

This logic makes no sense whatsoever. If you are saying corps. wont hire if we raise the tax rate then the opposite ought to be true: tax rates are low enough that they should be hiring now. But they aren't! Cant have it both ways.

Look if a corp has a market and the way to meet the market demand is to hire they will do it pretty much no matter what the tax rate, and I'm not talking your small business owner here, they are different. A large company will simply pass the cost to the consumers via volume, and scale. The arguement that business create jobs JUST because tax rates are low is ludicrous. If that were the case then ought to be some tipping point or threshhold that we can never go beyond and we should know what it is.

[cutthemdown]

I like McConnels plan to just let the President raise the debt limit for short periods. Then Obama has to come keep asking to raise the debt limit all through the rest of his Presidency. Politically that is probably best thing for repubs to do now. Obama is saying the debt limit has to get raised, trying to get his tax raise in on a rider. Repubs should fire back with a way for Obama to ask for a debt limit increase in 3 month blocks, or whatever limit they decide. I like that plan it lets Obama own the economy still, wear the jacket so to speak.

[cutthemdown]

This logic makes no sense whatsoever. If you are saying corps. wont hire if we raise the tax rate then the opposite ought to be true: tax rates are low enough that they should be hiring now. But they aren't! Cant have it both ways.

Look if a corp has a market and the way to meet the market demand is to hire they will do it pretty much no matter what the tax rate, and I'm not talking your small business owner here, they are different. A large company will simply pass the cost to the consumers via volume, and scale. The arguement that business create jobs JUST because tax rates are low is ludicrous. If that were the case then ought to be some tipping point or threshhold that we can never go beyond and we should know what it is.

I'm saying they haven't been because they know at some point Obama is going to raise them. I agree the recession was real and not Obama's fault. I am talking about why they aren't hiring right now.

[ghwk]

I like McConnels plan to just let the President raise the debt limit for short periods. Then Obama has to come keep asking to raise the debt limit all through the rest of his Presidency. Politically that is probably best thing for repubs to do now. Obama is saying the debt limit has to get raised, trying to get his tax raise in on a rider. Repubs should fire back with a way for Obama to ask for a debt limit increase in 3 month blocks, or whatever limit they decide. I like that plan it lets Obama own the economy still, wear the jacket so to speak.

I feel sorry for Boner, Cantor has totally cockblocked him now.

[ghwk]

I'm saying they haven't been because they know at some point Obama is going to raise them. I agree the recession was real and not Obama's fault. I am talking about why they aren't hiring right now.

They haven't been hiring for the last two years....the reality is tax rates and hiring have no direct effect on one another. Remember the tax rate now is much higher than say 60 years ago, if your theory and the Republican party line were true corps wouldn't have hired for 60 years.

[cutthemdown]

I feel sorry for Boner, Cantor has totally cockblocked him now.

Yeah Cantor a bit unyielding but he should be. A bunch of them ran on a no tax raise platform to get elected. They can't yield on that this soon. But Other repubs like McConnel can step in and make a deal to have a vote just on the debt limit alone. It is the debt limit spector Obama scaring everyone with. I agree though that Cantor sounds pretty rigid. But like I said earlier it wasn't too long ago that Dems were laughing at mad repubs while you rammed healthcare and stimulus through without a repub voting for it. I think the mantra then was screw you we don't care. So I am not surprised Cantor holding firm.

Eventually the bare minimum would be a vote for a short extension of the debt ceiling. Dems can not oppose because they already said its sooooo important.

[cutthemdown]

I think its funny the dems waiting until they needed repub support to try to make any cuts and tax raises. They knew exactly what they were doing when they were ramming legislation down the minorities throat.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Yeah Cantor a bit unyielding but he should be. A bunch of them ran on a no tax raise platform to get elected. They can't yield on that this soon. But Other repubs like McConnel can step in and make a deal to have a vote just on the debt limit alone. It is the debt limit spector Obama scaring everyone with. I agree though that Cantor sounds pretty rigid. But like I said earlier it wasn't too long ago that Dems were laughing at mad repubs while you rammed healthcare and stimulus through without a repub voting for it. I think the mantra then was screw you we don't care. So I am not surprised Cantor holding firm.

Eventually the bare minimum would be a vote for a short extension of the debt ceiling. Dems can not oppose because they already said its sooooo important.

And who's promoting that band aid for a huge problem (which only became a huge problem because the Republicans insisted it was a huge problem)? Oh right. The Republicans.

It's a HUGE problem! We want $4 Trillion in cuts!
Here's your $4 Trillion. Let's increase revenue as well.
**** YOU! It's YOUR PROBLEM!

Idiots. And look at cut, just swingin' from the nuts' nuts.

[cutthemdown]

And who's promoting that band aid for a huge problem (which only became a huge problem because the Republicans insisted it was a huge problem)? Oh right. The Republicans.

It's a HUGE problem! We want $4 Trillion in cuts!
Here's your $4 Trillion. Let's increase revenue as well.
**** YOU! It's YOUR PROBLEM!

Idiots. And look at cut, just swingin' from the nuts' nuts.

what don't you get about a fair trade?

it's raising the debt limit, in exchange for the cuts. If Obama wants it raised for the rest of his presidency that is the price. If he doesn't then he will have to come back over and over during the election to get it raised. And he will have to because he already said how important it is.

[cutthemdown]

Sure the media will do what it can to help by painting Obama as someone trying to make a compromise on cuts with some taxes bs. Who knows it may work, but i doubt it. I think in the end he isn't getting any tax increases from the house republicans. The minority in the Senate can't force the new house repubs to go along with it.

[DenverBrit]

what don't you get about a fair trade?

it's raising the debt limit, in exchange for the cuts. If Obama wants it raised for the rest of his presidency that is the price. If he doesn't then he will have to come back over and over during the election to get it raised. And he will have to because he already said how important it is.

There it is. It has nothing to do with the economy, all this posturing is both sides maneuvering for the next elections.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

what don't you get about a fair trade?

it's raising the debt limit, in exchange for the cuts. If Obama wants it raised for the rest of his presidency that is the price. If he doesn't then he will have to come back over and over during the election to get it raised. And he will have to because he already said how important it is.

Ah, so Republicans wouldn't benefit at all from the US not losing it's AAA credit rating? Got it.

That wouldn't benefit everyone. Only Obama and the Dems.

What a sad little guy you've become.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Sure the media will do what it can to help by painting Obama as someone trying to make a compromise on cuts with some taxes bs. Who knows it may work, but i doubt it. I think in the end he isn't getting any tax increases from the house republicans. The minority in the Senate can't force the new house repubs to go along with it.

Next step is probably gonna be the House passing something and forcing the Senate Dems to either do the same or shoot it down. If they pass it, then Obama's only choice is to veto it or be exposed as a liar once again. Getcha popcorn ready.

[Rigs11]

dude the debt limit was raised 5 times during the bush presidency. we didn't hear a peep from the repubs. in fact many, including Boner, supported them. now all of a sudden they are concerned? Obama and Boner worked out a plan, then Boner ran away when the rest of the party opposed any tax increases. surely you can see how ridicolous this is.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

I thought it was 7 times?

Either way, 5 or 7, that's greater than 1.

I'm serious. Republicans: Kindly do the math.

[Rigs11]

I thought it was 7 times?

Either way, 5 or 7, that's greater than 1.

I'm serious. Republicans: Kindly do the math.

i think it was 5 times while the republicans controlled congress.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Sure the media will do what it can to help by painting Obama as someone trying to make a compromise on cuts with some taxes bs. Who knows it may work, but i doubt it. I think in the end he isn't getting any tax increases from the house republicans. The minority in the Senate can't force the new house repubs to go along with it.

The mainstream media have been fully promoting the Obama agenda for a long time now.

But what they haven't counted on, is that people are more intelligent than they realize and have seen through it.

Gallup just released a poll saying that as of right now, Obama is 8% points behind whatever republican he runs against in 2012. That is a huge number for an incumbent president. Those kind of numbers mean that independents are ready to move on and let someone else have a shot.

[Rigs11]

The mainstream media have been fully promoting the Obama agenda for a long time now.

But what they haven't counted on, is that people are more intelligent than they realize and have seen through it.

Gallup just released a poll saying that as of right now, Obama is 8% points behind whatever republican he runs against in 2012. That is a huge number for an incumbent president. Those kind of numbers mean that independents are ready to move on and let someone else have a shot.don't start blowing each other quite yet. lets wait until the debates and you have clowns like bachmann open their traps on a national stage.Ha!

[mhgaffney]

The new American credo: "Compromise equals weakness"

Around here -- sad to say -- that word will get you lynched.

[cutthemdown]

dude the debt limit was raised 5 times during the bush presidency. we didn't hear a peep from the repubs. in fact many, including Boner, supported them. now all of a sudden they are concerned? Obama and Boner worked out a plan, then Boner ran away when the rest of the party opposed any tax increases. surely you can see how ridicolous this is.

Yeah and back then Obama said that having to raise the ceiling was a sign that Bush's leadership and economic policies were a failure. How quickly his tune changes now that he is signing the bills huh?

[cutthemdown]

Ah, so Republicans wouldn't benefit at all from the US not losing it's AAA credit rating? Got it.

That wouldn't benefit everyone. Only Obama and the Dems.

What a sad little guy you've become.

Nope not at all. They don't have to do a deal. They can send it to Obama in little chunks like McConnel has proposed if/when the deal falls through. Then it remains an issue Obama has to deal with while he tries to get reelected. Obama was pissed because when repubs said that he knew what it meant. It meant he might not get it raised one time, through 2012. He may have to raise it over and over again in smaller chunks. Now repubs want to get a balanced budget amendment going. That is pure genius because Americans support it and not one dem will be able to. It will highlight once again they have no inclination to reign in spending. The tea party is really asserting itself right now.

[TonyR]

The mainstream media have been fully promoting the Obama agenda for a long time now.


Actually the media has largely been saying that both sides are to blame when clearly the GOP is more to blame for the lack of compromise.

[cutthemdown]

Actually the media has largely been saying that both sides are to blame when clearly the GOP is more to blame for the lack of compromise.

Well then case closed. If Mr Middle of the Road, Mr Unbiased Tony says the GOP at fault then it must be so. Let's do a recall on all the Tea Party.

[Requiem]

Lets just start over.

[Arkie]

Lets just start over.

+1

[TonyR]

...Tony says the GOP at fault then it must be so.

I didn't say that. What I did say is that they aren't willing to compromise. And if they won't compromise then nothing can get done.

[Arkie]

I didn't say that. What I did say is that they aren't willing to compromise. And if they won't compromise then nothing can get done.

Every time there's been a compromise of spending cuts with tax hikes over the last 40 years, we end up getting the tax hikes without the spending cuts. How many times will we fall for it?

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[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Nope not at all. They don't have to do a deal. They can send it to Obama in little chunks like McConnel has proposed if/when the deal falls through. Then it remains an issue Obama has to deal with while he tries to get reelected. Obama was pissed because when repubs said that he knew what it meant. It meant he might not get it raised one time, through 2012. He may have to raise it over and over again in smaller chunks. Now repubs want to get a balanced budget amendment going. That is pure genius because Americans support it and not one dem will be able to. It will highlight once again they have no inclination to reign in spending. The tea party is really asserting itself right now.

So, again, you're playing politics with the nation's credit rating. Quality. Thanks for putting America first, cut. Your corporate masters are going to be very proud of you. Now go to the pantry and get your biscuit.

[TonyR]

Every time there's been a compromise of spending cuts with tax hikes over the last 40 years, we end up getting the tax hikes without the spending cuts. How many times will we fall for it?


I understand the cynicism. And I share it. But I'm not suggesting the GOP should cave. But they do have to negotiate to get something done, and negotiation requires compromise. By not negotiating and compromising we'll end up in a worse position. I'm not sure why anybody would support that.

[cutthemdown]

So, again, you're playing politics with the nation's credit rating. Quality. Thanks for putting America first, cut. Your corporate masters are going to be very proud of you. Now go to the pantry and get your biscuit.

You are just naive. There is nothing about Obama, or any repub in this issue right now that isn't politics. You just fall for Obama saying I am trying to save grannies soc sec check. That whole statement is hyperbole and political. In private Obama knows 120% that he won't stop those checks. It was a political gambit meant to stir up resentment for the repubs. I'm not playing crap, I am just an observer who understand and follows politics.

I know the debt limit, whether it gets raised or not, won't stop America from paying its bills. Also repubs already have a plan to let Obama raise the level in chunks, a little at a time, through his presidency. He doesn't like it because he wants to be out playing politics during that time. It has nothing to do with saving the country.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

You are just naive. There is nothing about Obama, or any repub in this issue right now that isn't politics. You just fall for Obama saying I am trying to save grannies soc sec check. That whole statement is hyperbole and political. In private Obama knows 120% that he won't stop those checks. It was a political gambit meant to stir up resentment for the repubs. I'm not playing crap, I am just an observer who understand and follows politics.

I know the debt limit, whether it gets raised or not, won't stop America from paying its bills. Also repubs already have a plan to let Obama raise the level in chunks, a little at a time, through his presidency. He doesn't like it because he wants to be out playing politics during that time. It has nothing to do with saving the country.

Follow along: If the debt limit doesn't get raised, there is MUCH more at stake, particularly in the eyes of the credit ratings folks, than whether or not "we pay our bills." THAT is what I'm concerned about; it has precisely zero to do with what Obama is saying regarding seniors checks.

Unlike you, I don't swing on the nuts of one particular political party or ideology.

[cutthemdown]

Follow along: If the debt limit doesn't get raised, there is MUCH more at stake, particularly in the eyes of the credit ratings folks, than whether or not "we pay our bills." THAT is what I'm concerned about; it has precisely zero to do with what Obama is saying regarding seniors checks.

Unlike you, I don't swing on the nuts of one particular political party or ideology.

Give me a break you are so far left on every single issue it's not even up for debate. I had to spit out my coffee when I read that one. Also if the end result would be so bad, then Obama will just have to make the deal right? No way he would let our credit rating plummet just because repubs won't raise taxes right? So either way its all BS Orton. This fight about ammo for the election by both sides. Nothing more, nothing less. The debt limit should be raised but back when Obama was a senator he used it as a chance to say raising it is a sign Bush had been a poor leader. I take it that he still blames bush right?

Just in case though I have my guns ready for when the old people riot.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Give me a break you are so far left on every single issue it's not even up for debate. I had to spit out my coffee when I read that one. Also if the end result would be so bad, then Obama will just have to make the deal right? No way he would let our credit rating plummet just because repubs won't raise taxes right? So either way its all BS Orton. This fight about ammo for the election by both sides. Nothing more, nothing less. The debt limit should be raised but back when Obama was a senator he used it as a chance to say raising it is a sign Bush had been a poor leader. I take it that he still blames bush right?

Just in case though I have my guns ready for when the old people riot.

Coffee? It's noon. Maybe you should start getting up earlier and going to work.

yes, I think Obama probably will end up just doing it unilaterally... and when election season comes around, the Tea Dip****s like you will be screaming about how he did it unilaterally, just as you complained about him doing nothing about Libya until he did something about Libya... when you started complaining that he did something about Libya.

You want it both ways. You don't get to have it both ways.

[cutthemdown]

Coffee? It's noon. Maybe you should start getting up earlier and going to work.

yes, I think Obama probably will end up just doing it unilaterally... and when election season comes around, the Tea Dip****s like you will be screaming about how he did it unilaterally, just as you complained about him doing nothing about Libya until he did something about Libya... when you started complaining that he did something about Libya.

You want it both ways. You don't get to have it both ways.

If he's trying to do something about Libya then he is failing big time. I said I was confused by his stance on libya and he didn't do a good job telling us what he wanted to do there. He started out saying just protect citizens, to slowly morphing into regime change. My questioning the action though still nothing like you went off of military actions Bush started. That further illustrates your partisanship. He can't do it unilaterally. He's going to have to agree to a scaled down version that make only be small increments. If he does it himself with no help that will look even more like he made a mountain out of mole hill. He could have just bypassed Congress to start with. Sometimes I do want it it both ways, which is a sign of being middle of the road. While you only ever want it one way, the liberal way. Thanks for proving my point.