Commie lightbulbs

[Rigs11]

Seriously this is what the idiots in your party are concerned with. What happened to the job creation?The rightards continually show that they like to go backwards on pretty much everything.Ha!

GOP urges ‘freedom,’ fights light bulb law
Republican lawmakers pushing to ban rules setting new efficiency standards for bulbs

WASHINGTON — Having to buy a squiggly fluorescent light bulb is an affront to personal freedom, some lawmakers are saying as the House decides whether to overturn a law setting new energy-efficiency standards for the bulbs.

House Republicans are pushing legislation that would overturn measures in a 2007 energy act requiring efficiency upgrades in the old-fashioned incandescent light bulb, little changed since it was invented by Thomas Edison in 1879.

Republicans say the new standards, signed into law by President George W. Bush, are a symbol of an overreaching federal government and people should have the right to buy the traditional, cheap and reliable incandescent bulbs. The Obama administration and environmentalists say new bulbs on the market will save American households billions of dollars in energy costs.

The legislation, promoted by Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas, is being considered under a procedure requiring a two-thirds majority to pass. With Democrats on the Energy and Commerce Committee urging their colleagues to oppose it, that won't be easy to achieve, and the bill faces dim prospects in the Democratic-controlled Senate. A House vote could come Tuesday.

For some Republicans, the new standards are too glaring an example of big brother government to ignore. The legislation, Barton said, "is about more than just energy consumption. It is about personal freedom."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43724744/ns/business-going_green/

[W*GS]

Joe Barton is in the pocket of Big Carbon - and anything that reduces energy consumption reduces their profits.

So of course he's doing what they've told him to do - **** the planet in the name of profit.

[bronclvr]

cheap and reliable incandescent bulbs.

I support this.

[DenverBrit]

They wait until Bush is out of office and the Dems take over the ECC before whining about energy efficient lightbulbs??

Thank god they are not playing politics while the economy is in the tank.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

What can you even do anymore besides laugh at the inanity of it all?

[El Guapo]

I had heard at one point that this was going to increase the cost of the incandescent bulb to $40 per bulb.

[ghwk]

Seriously this is what the idiots in your party are concerned with. What happened to the job creation?The rightards continually show that they like to go backwards on pretty much everything.Ha!

GOP urges ‘freedom,’ fights light bulb law
Republican lawmakers pushing to ban rules setting new efficiency standards for bulbs

WASHINGTON — Having to buy a squiggly fluorescent light bulb is an affront to personal freedom, some lawmakers are saying as the House decides whether to overturn a law setting new energy-efficiency standards for the bulbs.

House Republicans are pushing legislation that would overturn measures in a 2007 energy act requiring efficiency upgrades in the old-fashioned incandescent light bulb, little changed since it was invented by Thomas Edison in 1879.

Republicans say the new standards, signed into law by President George W. Bush, are a symbol of an overreaching federal government and people should have the right to buy the traditional, cheap and reliable incandescent bulbs. The Obama administration and environmentalists say new bulbs on the market will save American households billions of dollars in energy costs.

The legislation, promoted by Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas, is being considered under a procedure requiring a two-thirds majority to pass. With Democrats on the Energy and Commerce Committee urging their colleagues to oppose it, that won't be easy to achieve, and the bill faces dim prospects in the Democratic-controlled Senate. A House vote could come Tuesday.

For some Republicans, the new standards are too glaring an example of big brother government to ignore. The legislation, Barton said, "is about more than just energy consumption. It is about personal freedom."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43724744/ns/business-going_green/

Beat me to it, my jaw hit the gournd when I saw this article and what these pinheads were spending time and money on fighting from passing. Who can stand on a re-election platform of "I fought for freedom of lightbulbs!" ROFL!

[cutthemdown]

Those compact flourescents suck big time and the new LED style ones are expensive. It's ok though my neighbor has like 4000 bulbs stocked up he plans on selling when they become banned. Also the compact ones dont last as long as they say they will, and let off an unpleasant light. I use them only in parts of my house I don't spend a lot of time.

[cutthemdown]

Beat me to it, my jaw hit the gournd when I saw this article and what these pinheads were spending time and money on fighting from passing. Who can stand on a re-election platform of "I fought for freedom of lightbulbs!" ROFL!

It's about not letting govt make what used to be a cheap little afterthought into something that costs significantly more. Really it's a light bulb tax because of the farce of global warming.

[Rigs11]

It's about not letting govt make what used to be a cheap little afterthought into something that costs significantly more. Really it's a light bulb tax because of the farce of global warming.

is it a farce that these lightbulbs are more energy efficient?Come on cut, use your brain.

[W*GS]

It's about not letting govt make what used to be a cheap little afterthought into something that costs significantly more. Really it's a light bulb tax because of the farce of global warming.

You don't know enough to call it a "farce".

Being more energy-efficient would save this country money and help save the planet, but those are obviously not right-wing beliefs.

[Tombstone RJ]

Seriously this is what the idiots in your party are concerned with. What happened to the job creation?The rightards continually show that they like to go backwards on pretty much everything.Ha!

GOP urges ‘freedom,’ fights light bulb law
Republican lawmakers pushing to ban rules setting new efficiency standards for bulbs

WASHINGTON — Having to buy a squiggly fluorescent light bulb is an affront to personal freedom, some lawmakers are saying as the House decides whether to overturn a law setting new energy-efficiency standards for the bulbs.

House Republicans are pushing legislation that would overturn measures in a 2007 energy act requiring efficiency upgrades in the old-fashioned incandescent light bulb, little changed since it was invented by Thomas Edison in 1879.

Republicans say the new standards, signed into law by President George W. Bush, are a symbol of an overreaching federal government and people should have the right to buy the traditional, cheap and reliable incandescent bulbs. The Obama administration and environmentalists say new bulbs on the market will save American households billions of dollars in energy costs.

The legislation, promoted by Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas, is being considered under a procedure requiring a two-thirds majority to pass. With Democrats on the Energy and Commerce Committee urging their colleagues to oppose it, that won't be easy to achieve, and the bill faces dim prospects in the Democratic-controlled Senate. A House vote could come Tuesday.

For some Republicans, the new standards are too glaring an example of big brother government to ignore. The legislation, Barton said, "is about more than just energy consumption. It is about personal freedom."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43724744/ns/business-going_green/

see bolded text, then try to figure it out...

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

see bolded text, then try to figure it out...

So getting people to save money WHILE helping to save the environment is a terrible thing?

You don't want to save money, Tombstone?

Oh, right. Fox told you you don't want to save money. I keep forgetting where you get your retarded marching orders.

[Boomhauer]

Fluorescent bulbs are toxic, containing mercury, and require special recycling. If not, they pollute groundwater and also give off vapors if accidently broken. Much like lead paint, fluorescent bulbs should be outlawed.
Want green? - Buy LED bulbs. Don't care? - Buy incandescent bulbs. The push for fluorescent bulbs is nothing but uneducated political idiocy for clowns to parade for. Notice who's cheerleading it here. :clown:

[Garcia Bronco]

Exactly..why **** around with flobos when we should be using LEDS...you can make them yellow too.

[barryr]

Wow, so Bush supported it, so it means all conservatives have to believe in it too. Liberals believe anything the democrats push out, so they naturally assume it must hold true for the "other side." The light bulbs are an idiotic idea and are a hazard more than anything.

[ghwk]

Barryr actual age = unknown, age based on quality of posts = less than 3

[barryr]

Barryr actual age = unknown, age based on quality of posts = less than 3

Hmm, a liberal posting personal remarks about a poster and thinking such a post is "quality" in his/her warped mind. How surprising.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Hmm, a liberal posting personal remarks about a poster and thinking such a post is "quality" in his/her warped mind. How surprising.

Hmmm, barry suffers from diarrhea of the mouth and thinks his posts are compelling, interesting, factual or in any way based in reality.

How surprising.

[Smiling Assassin27]

No dog in this fight. CFL's have their usefulness but also have limitations. I go with what the market determines to be useful, not some bogus legislative agenda mired in special interest pandering. Put 'em all out on the market on equal footing and see which bulb(s) consumers deem worthy of staying around.

[ghwk]

GOP failed to block it as if that is a surprise. Thanks for wasting taxpayer time and money GOP! How about some job creation legislation?

[DenverBrit]

GOP failed to block it as if that is a surprise. Thanks for wasting taxpayer time and money GOP! How about some job creation legislation?

Can't have unemployment going down in a run up to an election year.

The POTUS would get credit.

[Garcia Bronco]

GOP failed to block it as if that is a surprise. Thanks for wasting taxpayer time and money GOP! How about some job creation legislation?

Why do you think Governemnt should be creating jobs through legislation? That's the real Government fail. The post office? Great idea anymore...lets keep dumping money into that. Or the IRS even better.

The government actually needs to eliminate jobs to reduce spending. Sure it'll be painful...but it's the right thing to do to right this mess governemnt has created and enabled.

[Garcia Bronco]

LEDs compared to incans

LED bulbs are a rapidly emerging substitute for incandescents. These LEDs can last up to 25 years and are at least 75 percent more efficient than current incandescent bulbs. While these bulbs currently cost more than CFLs and high efficiency incandescents (approx. $10-$30 per bulb), their price is expected to quickly drop as technology improves and supply and use of the bulbs increase.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Why do you think Governemnt should be creating jobs through legislation? That's the real Government fail. The post office? Great idea anymore...lets keep dumping money into that. Or the IRS even better.

The government actually needs to eliminate jobs to reduce spending. Sure it'll be painful...but it's the right thing to do to right this mess governemnt has created and enabled.

So reducing jobs in the middle of a recession is acceptable.

Raising revenue isn't.

Cool story. Clearly, you should be running the country.

[Garcia Bronco]

So reducing jobs in the middle of a recession is acceptable.

Raising revenue isn't.

Cool story. Clearly, you should be running the country.

I could run it better than any of these fools.

These are things that should have been cut long ago or never added. It was a bandaid and it's time to rip it off and let it air dry.

further..and I can't stress this enough....raising rates does not mean revenue will increase.

the post office is a multi billion money loser and if we simpled the tax code we can ****cann most of the IRS. These two organizations are the two largest employers in the government and they need to be cut back in a major way.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Fire people. Create jobs.

Complain about the President when jobs aren't created.

A beautiful, cynical, truly Republican plan.

[Boomhauer]

Hmmm, barry suffers from diarrhea of the mouth ...

You do not have permission to use the phrase "diarrhea of the mouth" -which I introduced in an epic F*GS pwning.
Cease, desist and work on sequentially firing your synapses so you might expand your dialogue beyond parroting.

[Pony Boy]

California's utilities are spending $548 million over seven years to subsidize consumer purchases of compact fluorescent lamps. But the benefits are turning out to be less than expected.

California utilities have used ratepayer funds to subsidize sales of more than 100 million of the bulbs since 2006, most of them made in China. It is part of a comprehensive state effort to use energy-efficiency techniques as a substitute for power production. Subsidized bulbs cost an average of $1.30 in California versus $4 for bulbs not carrying utility subsidies.


When it set up its bulb program in 2006, PG&E Corp. thought its customers would buy 53 million compact fluorescent bulbs by 2008. It allotted $92 million for rebates, the most of any utility in the state. Researchers hired by the California Public Utilities Commission concluded earlier this year that fewer bulbs were sold, fewer were screwed in, and they saved less energy than PG&E anticipated.

As a result of these and other adjustments, energy savings attributed to PG&E were pegged at 451.6 million kilowatt hours by regulators, or 73% less than the 1.7 billion kilowatt hours projected by PG&E for the 2006-2008 program.

California regulators have debated whether utilities should be held to the energy savings they promised in order to earn bonus pay. Staff of the state utilities commission said utilities missed their overall-energy savings targets, partly because of disappointing results from light bulbs. Utilities disagree with many of the staff's conclusions.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704259704576033890595565026.html?m od=wsj_share_facebook

[W*GS]

You do not have permission to use the phrase "diarrhea of the mouth" -which I introduced in an epic F*GS pwning.

Still in dreamland, I see.

[Spider]

You do not have permission to use the phrase "diarrhea of the mouth" -which I introduced in an epic F*GS pwning.
Cease, desist and work on sequentially firing your synapses so you might expand your dialogue beyond parroting.

:rofl: pretty sure you got it backwards ......

[Pony Boy]

Under the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, the first bulb to go will be the 100 watt.

It'll be followed by the 75 watt in 2013, then the 60 and 40 watts in 2014.


You can still find these 100 Watt Rough Service bulbs at Home Depot and I have a case of these stored way. I don't have a problem using the new bulbs in my home but anyone that has a shop realizes the rough service bulb is a must have.

[Garcia Bronco]

Fire people. Create jobs.

Complain about the President when jobs aren't created.

A beautiful, cynical, truly Republican plan.

I am barely a conservative and barely not a liberal. I am a swing vote. Like most people I am conservative on some issues and liberal on others.

[Garcia Bronco]

I current use a mix of incans and flobos. I will be switching to LEDs.

[alkemical]

**** that, give me some plasma lights.

[Garcia Bronco]

**** that, give me some plasma lights.

LOL

[alkemical]

LOL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_lamp

Plasma lamps are a type of electrodeless lamp energized by radio frequency (RF) power. They are distinct from the novelty plasma lamps that were popular in the 1980s.

The electrode-less lamp was invented by Nikola Tesla after his experimentation with high-frequency currents in an evacuated glass tube for the purpose of studying high voltage phenomena. The first practical plasma lamps were the sulfur lamps manufactured by Fusion Lighting. This lamp suffered a number of practical problems and did not prosper commercially. These problems have gradually been overcome by manufacturers such as Ceravision and Luxim, and high-efficiency plasma (HEP) lamps have been introduced to the general lighting market.

High-efficiency plasma (HEP)

High-efficiency plasma lighting is the class of plasma lamps that have system efficiencies of 90 lumens per watt or more. Lamps in this class are potentially the most energy-efficient light source for outdoor, commercial and industrial lighting. This is due not only to their high system efficiency but also to the small light source they present enabling very high luminaire efficiency.

Luminaire Efficacy Rating (LER) is the single figure of merit the National Electrical Manufacturers Association has defined to help address problems with lighting manufacturers' efficiency claims [5] and is designed to allow robust comparison between lighting types. It is given by the product of luminaire efficiency (EFF) times total rated lamp output in lumens (TLL) times ballast factor (BF), divided by the input power in watts (IP):

LER = EFF × TLL × BF / IP

The "system efficiency" for a High Efficiency Plasma lamp is given by the last three variables, that is, it excludes the luminaire efficiency. Though plasma lamps do not have a ballast, they have an RF power supply that fulfills the equivalent function. In electrodeless lamps, the inclusion of the electrical losses, or "ballast factor", in lumens per watt claimed can be particularly significant as conversion of electrical power to radio frequency (RF) power can be a highly inefficient process.

Many modern plasma lamps, such as those manufactured by Ceravision and Luxim, have very small light sources—far smaller than HID bulbs or fluorescent tubes—leading to much higher luminaire efficiencies also. High intensity discharge lamps have typical luminaire efficiencies of 55%, and fluorescent lamps of 70%. Plasma lamps typically have luminaire efficiencies exceeding 90%.



Cool ****!

[Garcia Bronco]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_lamp

Plasma lamps are a type of electrodeless lamp energized by radio frequency (RF) power. They are distinct from the novelty plasma lamps that were popular in the 1980s.

The electrode-less lamp was invented by Nikola Tesla after his experimentation with high-frequency currents in an evacuated glass tube for the purpose of studying high voltage phenomena. The first practical plasma lamps were the sulfur lamps manufactured by Fusion Lighting. This lamp suffered a number of practical problems and did not prosper commercially. These problems have gradually been overcome by manufacturers such as Ceravision and Luxim, and high-efficiency plasma (HEP) lamps have been introduced to the general lighting market.

High-efficiency plasma (HEP)

High-efficiency plasma lighting is the class of plasma lamps that have system efficiencies of 90 lumens per watt or more. Lamps in this class are potentially the most energy-efficient light source for outdoor, commercial and industrial lighting. This is due not only to their high system efficiency but also to the small light source they present enabling very high luminaire efficiency.

Luminaire Efficacy Rating (LER) is the single figure of merit the National Electrical Manufacturers Association has defined to help address problems with lighting manufacturers' efficiency claims [5] and is designed to allow robust comparison between lighting types. It is given by the product of luminaire efficiency (EFF) times total rated lamp output in lumens (TLL) times ballast factor (BF), divided by the input power in watts (IP):

LER = EFF × TLL × BF / IP

The "system efficiency" for a High Efficiency Plasma lamp is given by the last three variables, that is, it excludes the luminaire efficiency. Though plasma lamps do not have a ballast, they have an RF power supply that fulfills the equivalent function. In electrodeless lamps, the inclusion of the electrical losses, or "ballast factor", in lumens per watt claimed can be particularly significant as conversion of electrical power to radio frequency (RF) power can be a highly inefficient process.

Many modern plasma lamps, such as those manufactured by Ceravision and Luxim, have very small light sources—far smaller than HID bulbs or fluorescent tubes—leading to much higher luminaire efficiencies also. High intensity discharge lamps have typical luminaire efficiencies of 55%, and fluorescent lamps of 70%. Plasma lamps typically have luminaire efficiencies exceeding 90%.



Cool ****!

Yeah... basically had one growing up

[Pony Boy]

Commie Lightbulbs?

Speaking of Commies, what happened to Rohirrim did the cat bury his ass in the backyard?

[BroncsRule]

LED's are the way to go - the mini-fluorescents will follow the incandescents onto the scrap heap by the end of the decade.

[Boomhauer]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_lamp ...High-efficiency plasma (HEP) lighting is the class of plasma lamps that have system efficiencies of 90 lumens per watt or more... Cool ****!

Meaning they're no more efficient than fluorescent and far less than LEDs
-also from Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminous_efficacy#Lighting_efficiency
Fluorescent: about 75-100 lm/W
Gas discharge: about 100-150 lm/W, low pressure at 200 lm/W
LED: about 75-150 lm/W, low watt +200 lm/W, theoretical max 300 lm/W

[alkemical]

Meaning they're no more efficient than fluorescent and far less than LEDs
-also from Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminous_efficacy#Lighting_efficiency
Fluorescent: about 75-100 lm/W
Gas discharge: about 100-150 lm/W, low pressure at 200 lm/W
LED: about 75-150 lm/W, low watt +200 lm/W, theoretical max 300 lm/W

LED's don't work well for my Cukes, tomatoes, and pepper plants! :D

[Boomhauer]

LED's don't work well for my Cukes, tomatoes, and pepper plants! :D

High pressure sodium, baby! = 150lm/W, feels like the sun, but purchase can draw DEA's attention.
http://altonrobert.blog.com/files/2011/05/High-Pressure-Sodium-Grow-Lights-4.jpeg

[alkemical]

High pressure sodium, baby! = 150lm/W, feels like the sun, but purchase can draw DEA's attention.
http://altonrobert.blog.com/files/2011/05/High-Pressure-Sodium-Grow-Lights-4.jpeg

Kinda silly that it attracts the DEA's attention. That being said, i did use cash to buy my Hydrolux bulbs. Where I work at though, if you do pay for it with a card, it's billed as the parent company, not the name of the store.

The plasma isn't cost effective in terms of upfront cost. But they do run cooler, which means you won't need the investment in ALL the ventilation that HPS & Metal Halide require.

The spectrum is also much closer to that of the "sun".

But yeah, like a $1k difference in cost.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

You do not have permission to use the phrase "diarrhea of the mouth" -which I introduced in an epic F*GS pwning.
Cease, desist and work on sequentially firing your synapses so you might expand your dialogue beyond parroting.

You're not really so egotistical as to think that you coined the phrase "diarrhea of the mouth" are you?

Son, please. I've been using that turn of phrase since college... where I was introduced to it by someone who was decided not you.

An excellent try. Please continue with YOUR diarrhea of the mouth.

[mhgaffney]

Those compact flourescents suck big time and the new LED style ones are expensive. It's ok though my neighbor has like 4000 bulbs stocked up he plans on selling when they become banned. Also the compact ones dont last as long as they say they will, and let off an unpleasant light. I use them only in parts of my house I don't spend a lot of time.

LED leads the way.

You know why they are expensive? Because they have rare earth elements -- and CHina has controlled the world market.

This is a big deal folks. get up to speed on rare earths.

Very soon - I will invest a pile of money in a rare earth mine/

Demand is expected to climb 500% in the next fie years.

If yo had invested $3000 in Apple back in 2000 -- that money would be worth more than $120,000 today.

Rare earth = the next Apple.

You heard it here first.

[DenverBrit]

LED leads the way.

You know why they are expensive? Because they have rare earth elements -- and CHina has controlled the world market.

This is a big deal folks. get up to speed on rare earths.

Very soon - I will invest a pile of money in a rare earth mine/

Demand is expected to climb 500% in the next fie years.

If yo had invested $3000 in Apple back in 2000 -- that money would be worth more than $120,000 today.

Rare earth = the next Apple.

You heard it here first.

US mining has been under way for a while.
The price of rare earth elements have made previously marginal mines viable.......and as you say, prices will continue to rise.

That is assuming the idiots in DC get their act together, stop their partisan posturing, get a budget in place and the debt ceiling raised before the nearly stalled recovery goes into a tailspin.

[cutthemdown]

LED leads the way.

You know why they are expensive? Because they have rare earth elements -- and CHina has controlled the world market.

This is a big deal folks. get up to speed on rare earths.

Very soon - I will invest a pile of money in a rare earth mine/

Demand is expected to climb 500% in the next fie years.

If yo had invested $3000 in Apple back in 2000 -- that money would be worth more than $120,000 today.

Rare earth = the next Apple.

You heard it here first.

Some Japanese scientists just discovered the world largest rare earth reserve on the ocean floor out by Hawaii. They say it even is light on uranium which is good i guess.

[W*GS]

You're not really so egotistical as to think that you coined the phrase "diarrhea of the mouth" are you?

Yes, he is. He also thinks he knows climate science and arithmetic.

[Boomhauer]

US mining has been under way for a while.
The price of rare earth elements have made previously marginal mines viable.......and as you say, prices will continue to rise. ...

Some of the coasties posting here might not know the abundant rare earth and radioactive mines here in Colorado were idled decades ago, now just waiting word 'go' to reopen. Colorado School of Mines, one of the best in the nation, has begun rare-earth curriculum in advance of the expected boom. Centennial, CO based MolyCorp is one of the leaders in extraction and processing of these metals and recently reopened a mine on the CA/NV border.
http://www.theaureport.com/images/coloradoree.jpeg

[cutthemdown]

Some of the coasties posting here might not know the abundant rare earth and radioactive mines here in Colorado were idled decades ago, now just waiting word 'go' to reopen.

The deposit on the ocean floor appealing they say because it has low amounts of radioactive material in it. They said it more the doubled the experts previous estimates on rare earth elements.


The rare earths have just become a little less rare, thanks to a discovery made by Japanese scientists. According to BBC News, Yasuhiro Kato and his team from the University of Tokyo have found heavy concentrations of rare earth elements in Pacific sea sediment at depths of 3,500 to 6,000 m (11,500-20,000 ft). The researchers estimate the sediments contain 80 to 100 billion tonnes of rare earth elements. The present global reserve of rare earths is estimated at just 110 million tonnes, so the discovery is significant.

While the search for new supplies of rare earths has been global, Japan has been particularly motivated to find a new supply following a dispute with China, which holds a near-monopoly on rare earth production. Rare earths have many uses, but are particularly vital for modern electronic devices.