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Dagmar
07-07-2011, 06:42 PM
http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/18008/Broncos--John-Fox-wants--gamer--as-his-quarterback/Default.aspx

John Fox maintained Thursday afternoon that the Broncos will have a "wide-open competition" at quarterback, but admitted, for the first time, that "deep down, I have an idea" who will be No. 1 when the season starts according to Woody Paige of the Denver Post.

He did say: "I prefer a gamer to a good practice player... I want someone who will execute under pressure in a game."

Fox, who currently is a coach without players because of the on-going lockout, pointed out: "We do have a depth chart."

"I've not seen those three quarterbacks in one practice yet."http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18434431?source=rss

Which of our three QB's does that describe?



















http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_7XnmDFZUq0U/S9F0W0n7NWI/AAAAAAAABSc/SRnH-UyaiCg/s1600/tim+tebow+denver+broncos.jpg:spit:

KipCorrington25
07-07-2011, 06:48 PM
He watched film from last year obviously.

Dr. Broncenstein
07-07-2011, 06:48 PM
Orton is a gamer as long as it isn't third down.

bowtown
07-07-2011, 07:06 PM
Whatever, Orton games even in his sleep.

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/orton%20and%20girls.jpg

rugbythug
07-07-2011, 07:11 PM
Whatever, Orton games even in his sleep.

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/orton%20and%20girls.jpg

Guaranteed tebow and Quinn pull better than that.

epicSocialism4tw
07-07-2011, 07:12 PM
If Tebow is nothing else, he's a gamer.

Archer81
07-07-2011, 07:19 PM
Some forum members heads will explode.

Luckily, Tebow can heal the blasted out skulls.

:Broncos:

DarkHorse
07-07-2011, 07:29 PM
Orton is a gamer as long as it isn't third down.

You mean Orton goes to the games, nothing more.

schaaf
07-07-2011, 07:31 PM
Whatever, Orton games even in his sleep.

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/orton%20and%20girls.jpg

The ****s the matter with that girls tits? They look like blobs of play-do thrown at a wall

epicSocialism4tw
07-07-2011, 07:33 PM
Some forum members heads will explode.

Luckily, Tebow can heal the blasted out skulls.

:Broncos:

If he can't heal 'em, he sure can circumsize 'em.

Baba Booey
07-07-2011, 07:35 PM
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/7730/kneeling.jpg

Leave the NFL to me.

DBroncos4life
07-07-2011, 07:35 PM
The ****s the matter with that girls boobies? They look like blobs of play-do thrown at a wall

Well everyone knows that you never wear pink top with leopard print pants if you don't want your boobies to look like blobs.

oubronco
07-07-2011, 07:56 PM
http://thesportsreportgirl.com/Blog%20Pics%20after%201-4-10/Brady%20Quinn%20Traded%20to%20Broncos.jpg

bowtown
07-07-2011, 07:58 PM
http://thesportsreportgirl.com/Blog%20Pics%20after%201-4-10/Brady%20Quinn%20Traded%20to%20Broncos.jpg

Absolute Gaymer

Dr. Broncenstein
07-07-2011, 07:59 PM
Absolute Gaymer

Fabulous

oubronco
07-07-2011, 08:06 PM
Fabulous

He is a legend in his own wind

Mogulseeker
07-07-2011, 08:20 PM
I was thinking what I usually think of when I hear 'gamer'

http://www.polygamerous.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/fat_gamer_kid1.jpg

Tim
07-07-2011, 08:25 PM
tebow will start and orton will turn into a draft pick july 21st

Dagmar
07-07-2011, 08:44 PM
It's obvious here in town, people would rather try and be open to the possibility of failure with Tim Tebow than "settle" for Orton who at best will get us to mediocre.

Bronco Yoda
07-07-2011, 09:42 PM
I was thinking what I usually think of when I hear 'gamer'

http://www.polygamerous.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/fat_gamer_kid1.jpg

I just found my next avatar thx :)

Chris
07-07-2011, 10:05 PM
I was thinking what I usually think of when I hear 'gamer'

http://www.polygamerous.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/fat_gamer_kid1.jpg

I'm not gonna lie. I did that with the power glove. About the only thing it was good for.

Bronco Yoda
07-07-2011, 10:15 PM
I still have all the old NES stuff... or should I say the kids have it now. I'm going to replicate this outfit less the pants and see if it turns on the wife. A little role playing never hurt anyone. What name should I call myself?

GoHAM
07-07-2011, 10:33 PM
"I prefer a gamer to a good practice player... I want someone who will execute under pressure in a game."

Attn: Tennessee, Seattle, Minnesota, Arizona, etc.

Kyle Orton is available for a reasonable price.

SoCalBronco
07-07-2011, 11:01 PM
It's obvious here in town, people would rather try and be open to the possibility of failure with Tim Tebow than "settle" for Orton who at best will get us to mediocre.

That's the key thing. I strongly support Tebow myself and want to see him start because I really believe in his ability to truly redefine the position after a little while.

Nonetheless, I get the feeling that Fox is saying stuff like this because he has management breathing down his neck for the reasons you have listed above. People want Tebow. Tebow sells tickets and jerseys and one of the very few things the old man is keenly aware of is money. In his heart of hearts, I think Fox would actually strongly prefer a safe, conservative choice like Orton, but it's not his call and he has to do what he's told from above.
For once, management is actually doing something that isn't utterly horrible.

HAT
07-07-2011, 11:14 PM
That's the key thing. I strongly support Tebow myself and want to see him start because I really believe in his ability to truly redefine the position after a little while.

Nonetheless, I get the feeling that Fox is saying stuff like this because he has management breathing down his neck for the reasons you have listed above. People want Tebow. Tebow sells tickets and jerseys and one of the very few things the old man is keenly aware of is money. In his heart of hearts, I think Fox would actually strongly prefer a safe, conservative choice like Orton, but it's not his call and he has to do what he's told from above.
For once, management is actually doing something that isn't utterly horrible.

Wait, what?

I agreed with everything you said until the last sentence and a half..... You actually prefer the 'Skins, Raiders & Cowboys style of "management" where personnel decisions are made by anyone who is not the HC?

Odd.

SoCalBronco
07-07-2011, 11:30 PM
Wait, what?

I agreed with everything you said until the last sentence and a half..... You actually prefer the 'Skins, Raiders & Cowboys style of "management" where personnel decisions are made by anyone who is not the HC?

Odd.

I prefer a management comprised of competent, experienced and qualified persons and ownership with the same qualities. When our management is comprised of individuals who are either utterly inexperienced or people that have a significant share of moral blame for the utter destruction of this franchise (and yet still are employed nonetheless), I'm not going to sit around here and pretend that I'm a fan of them or I'm glad that they're in power. I'm not glad they're in power. I don't like them. I hope they end up doing well for us, but I wish they weren't around.

epicSocialism4tw
07-07-2011, 11:32 PM
I still have all the old NES stuff... or should I say the kids have it now. I'm going to replicate this outfit less the pants and see if it turns on the wife. A little role playing never hurt anyone. What name should I call myself?

NESex

Mega Man would also work.

BroncoMan4ever
07-08-2011, 12:37 AM
damn Fox might as well have just come out and said Tebow is our guy.

that is one thing that was worrying me if there was a true QB competition. would Fox gauge based on the practices. because in practice Orton looks awesome, while what Tebow brings to the team can't really be seen in practice. i am glad he is apparently watching the film from last season

Rock Chalk
07-08-2011, 07:04 AM
Just start the pathetic lefty so we can get this ****ing experiment over and work on getting a real QB.

CHANGSTER
07-08-2011, 07:14 AM
I still have all the old NES stuff... or should I say the kids have it now. I'm going to replicate this outfit less the pants and see if it turns on the wife. A little role playing never hurt anyone. What name should I call myself?

Master Blaster

Kaylore
07-08-2011, 07:36 AM
Master Blaster

I was thinking "Captain N' the Game Master"

Binkythefrog
07-08-2011, 08:54 AM
What I thought was overlooked in that piece by Woody is how Fox said he would let his coordinators call plays, and manage game as a whole.

I felt that McD really lacked that understanding of the game, I remember some interesting decisions at the end of halves last year.. hopefully with Fox clock management, etc will be managed better.

Shananahan
07-08-2011, 08:56 AM
This makes it sound like Fox has pretty much made up his mind:

Broncos head coach John Fox extrapolated on recent comments that he was looking for the player with the most in-game prowess, leadership and cool under pressure when selecting his starting quarterback.

"I think what it all really comes down to, as a quarterback, is what you believe in," Fox said. "And, more importantly, who you believe in."

Fox, who was hired earlier this offseason after nine years in Carolina, said Thursday that faith and devotion to Jesus Christ would be a major component in the team's decision at quarterback.

"Obviously you want your guy in there to make the plays and win football games," Fox said. "But he also needs to know who is really calling the shots around here: Jesus."

Fox also added that character, charity work and overall likability would be taken into account when naming the starter.

Full article: http://www.denverpost.com/paige/ci_18434431

outdoor_miner
07-08-2011, 09:05 AM
This makes it sound like Fox has pretty much made up his mind:



Full article: http://www.denverpost.com/paige/ci_18434431

Hmmm - I wonder who he means? :)

OABB
07-08-2011, 09:11 AM
Im glad fox wants to win.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
07-08-2011, 09:13 AM
I didn't realize Jesus Christ had a good arm. Huh. Learn something every day.

Tombstone RJ
07-08-2011, 09:14 AM
Whatever, Orton games even in his sleep.

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/orton%20and%20girls.jpg

there's all sorts of fun in this pic...

Gort
07-08-2011, 09:15 AM
Hmmm - I wonder who he means? :)

he said Jesus... so obviously it's Tebow and Quinn (Notre Dame).

however, if he'd said Satan instead, then it would have been Orton.

sorry Kyle, but time for you to move on. i suggest Oakland. the Prince of Darkness is in firm control of that franchise.

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/gallery/al-davis-face/al-davis.jpg

OABB
07-08-2011, 09:15 AM
I didn't realize Jesus Christ had a good arm. Huh. Learn something every day.

The holes in his hands lower wind resistance.

Beantown Bronco
07-08-2011, 09:28 AM
This makes it sound like Fox has pretty much made up his mind:



Full article: http://www.denverpost.com/paige/ci_18434431

Probably best to not click on that link at work. Thanks.....

Rabb
07-08-2011, 09:33 AM
Probably best to not click on that link at work. Thanks.....

wish I had read this first, FML

Archer81
07-08-2011, 09:49 AM
Just start the pathetic lefty so we can get this ****ing experiment over and work on getting a real QB.


If could possibly be a very long 15 years for you.


:Broncos:

SonOfLe-loLang
07-08-2011, 09:51 AM
I think more telling about the interview was he claimed Denver will have the most sophisitcated running attack in the league. What does that mean to me? There will be lots of options and deception. What else does that mean? TIMMY TIME!

Taco John
07-08-2011, 09:57 AM
http://thesportsreportgirl.com/Blog%20Pics%20after%201-4-10/Brady%20Quinn%20Traded%20to%20Broncos.jpg

Why did I lose my sh*t when I saw this picture? That was strangely hilarious.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 10:02 AM
I think more telling about the interview was he claimed Denver will have the most sophisitcated running attack in the league. What does that mean to me? There will be lots of options and deception. What else does that mean? TIMMY TIME!

Or does this mean they are going to do more of what they did last year and use Tebow with Orton?

Then they get the best of both worlds.. conservative using Orton the game manager.. and you please the fans using Tebow. For some reason I can't get it out of my head that Elway doesn't see Tebow as a QB but is forced to keep him because of the fans so wants to make Tebow a runner.

I think Elway is stuck in the past a little bit. I am guessing he would have felt the same about Vick, too. Just my view reading the tea leaves.

Taco John
07-08-2011, 10:03 AM
That's the key thing. I strongly support Tebow myself and want to see him start because I really believe in his ability to truly redefine the position after a little while.

Nonetheless, I get the feeling that Fox is saying stuff like this because he has management breathing down his neck for the reasons you have listed above. People want Tebow. Tebow sells tickets and jerseys and one of the very few things the old man is keenly aware of is money. In his heart of hearts, I think Fox would actually strongly prefer a safe, conservative choice like Orton, but it's not his call and he has to do what he's told from above.
For once, management is actually doing something that isn't utterly horrible.


I can't agree with this. I've watched the Tebow games all offseason long, so maybe I'm a little biased, but I can't imagine any coach worth his salt looking at these games and not seeing a guy that he can win with. I wouldn't be able to sleep at nights I'd be so giddy if I were a coach whose future was riding on this guy's shoulders. Sure, he needs some work still, but in terms of the material that there is to work with here - the guy seems like a coaching dream come true to me. Again, I'm probably biased by now - but I didn't start out big on Tebow. I was an original doubter, and right now I have zero doubts about it.

Taco John
07-08-2011, 10:05 AM
he said Jesus... so obviously it's Tebow and Quinn (Notre Dame).

however, if he'd said Satan instead, then it would have been Orton.

sorry Kyle, but time for you to move on. i suggest Oakland. the Prince of Darkness is in firm control of that franchise.

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/gallery/al-davis-face/al-davis.jpg

WOW aging is a b****!

Chris
07-08-2011, 10:07 AM
This makes it sound like Fox has pretty much made up his mind:



Full article: http://www.ign.com/rockstar/ps3/agent-0708.html

Great article. One of the best I've ever read.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 10:19 AM
I can't agree with this. I've watched the Tebow games all offseason long, so maybe I'm a little biased, but I can't imagine any coach worth his salt looking at these games and not seeing a guy that he can win with. I wouldn't be able to sleep at nights I'd be so giddy if I were a coach whose future was riding on this guy's shoulders. Sure, he needs some work still, but in terms of the material that there is to work with here - the guy seems like a coaching dream come true to me. Again, I'm probably biased by now - but I didn't start out big on Tebow. I was an original doubter, and right now I have zero doubts about it.

Keep in mind though that Tebow is an incredible coaching challenge.. not because he isn't a good QB.. but because he is so unique and there is no blueprint of how to use him best in the NFL.. This is why I think so many people were afraid to draft him. The NFL is a "cookie cutter" league. Just look at Tom Brady.. he was a 6th round pick but because Belichick dominates with him now he is the prototype and Sam Bradford goes number 1.

Bronco Yoda
07-08-2011, 10:29 AM
We have the QB position covered people. It's a real Defense we need to concentrate on.

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 10:40 AM
Keep in mind though that Tebow is an incredible coaching challenge.. not because he isn't a good QB.. but because he is so unique and there is no blueprint of how to use him best in the NFL.. This is why I think so many people were afraid to draft him. The NFL is a "cookie cutter" league. Just look at Tom Brady.. he was a 6th round pick but because Belichick dominates with him now he is the prototype and Sam Bradford goes number 1.

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/3/notsureifsrs.jpg

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 10:42 AM
I know you are obtuse...

Do they teach you how to spam at your little Freemason meetings? LOL

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 10:45 AM
I know you are obtuse...

Do they teach you how to spam at your little Freemason meetings? LOL

No, I'm just curious as to how you think Tom Brady sky rocketed Bradford's draft value.

Please support that statement?

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 10:46 AM
No, I'm just curious as to how you think Tom Brady sky rocketed Bradford's draft value.

Please support that statement?

You don't think Sam Bradford tried to make himself into a Tom Brady clone in every way? Even his college system did the same..

I thought it was obvious...

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 10:47 AM
You don't think Sam Bradford tried to make himself into a Tom Brady clone in every way?

I thought it was obvious...

Fascinating. I assume he was using Nazi tech?

Go on.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 10:48 AM
Fascinating. I assume he was using Nazi tech?

Go on.

Is that more Freemason teachings? Does your sacred geometry guide your trolling? The way to peace...

Archer81
07-08-2011, 10:49 AM
http://tinyurl.com/3vzspua


:Broncos:

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 10:50 AM
Is that more Freemason teachings? Does your sacred geometry guide your trolling? The way to peace...

I'm just asking for details on Bradford:Brady. No need to be rude.

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 10:52 AM
(...and holy ****. Did MacGruder just accuse me of trolling?!?!

It's so backwards it took a few minutes to even register.)

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 10:53 AM
I'm just asking for details on Bradford:Brady. No need to be rude.

Right.. because posting page sized mocking images as you constantly do isn't rude.. LOL All your sacred teachings sure have made you a wise person..

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 10:54 AM
Right.. because posting page sized mocking images as you constantly do isn't rude.. LOL All your sacred teachings sure have made you a wise person..

...So are you going to make this comparison between the two players and explain how Tom Brady rocketed Sam's draft value, or not baja?

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 10:58 AM
...So are you going to make this comparison between the two players and explain how Tom Brady rocketed Sam's draft value, or not baja?

I have already explained it.. it isn't that complex. It really should be self explanatory.

You don't have to get it, you realize that? You should know that in the Freemasons.. not everyone can reach the 33rd degree... you are only 32nd after all, right?

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 11:00 AM
I have already explained it.. it isn't that complex. It really should be self explanatory.

You don't have to get it, you realize that? You should know that in the Freemasons.. not everyone can reach the 33rd degree... you are only 32nd after all, right?

Boy was that some fierce "smack". It's a shame you don't understand what you're talking about.

Regardless, is this seriously the best you can do with Brady:Bradford? You can't do anymore?

You don't think Sam Bradford tried to make himself into a Tom Brady clone in every way? Even his college system did the same..

I thought it was obvious...

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 11:14 AM
Boy was that some fierce "smack". It's a shame you don't understand what you're talking about.

The only way I could KNOW is to join up.. and why would I join up with something if I don't know what it is? because the people - like you - are so great. LMFAO

Regardless, is this seriously the best you can do with Brady:Bradford? You can't do anymore?

If you can't see the similarities between Bradford and Brady then I certainly can't help you.. no words would suffice.

Beantown Bronco
07-08-2011, 11:17 AM
Anyone want in on a side bet re: Rev vs MacGruder?

Rabb
07-08-2011, 11:21 AM
I don't know, if I had to deal with an "incredible coaching challenge" that is the size of most linebackers with unmatched desire and a pretty damn high ceiling of talent, who enjoys such things as getting the ball in his hands when it matters and trucking safetys

I think I could sleep at night

@Bean, I will take Rev...he just doesn't quit or forget

Quoydogs
07-08-2011, 11:21 AM
Orton is a gamer as long as it isn't third down.

or under pressure, or the game on the line or the red zone or anything over 10 yards or on any Sunday really

jhns
07-08-2011, 11:21 AM
Anyone want in on a side bet re: Rev vs MacGruder?

Is that supposed to be a real competition?

Gort
07-08-2011, 11:22 AM
If you can't see the similarities between Bradford and Brady then I certainly can't help you.. no words would suffice.

i see it.

Bradford
Brady

seems obvious to me.

;)

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 11:23 AM
I don't know, if I had to deal with an "incredible coaching challenge" that is the size of most linebackers with unmatched desire and a pretty damn high ceiling of talent, who enjoys such things as getting the ball in his hands when it matters and trucking safetys

I think I could sleep at night

@Bean, I will take Rev...he just doesn't quit or forget

So then why did he drop to 25 in the draft? Why was he said to be a bust waiting to happen? A project?

Not that I agree with one word of that.. like I said.. I think it's a problem with the people in the NFL not Tebow, at all.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 11:24 AM
Is that supposed to be a real competition?

It really isn't... I already dominated him in another thread and then the Bin Laden hit proved it when a unseen helicopter showed up which he said couldn't exist.. and it even used "saucer" technology which he said couldn't exist..

You can't get anymore owned than that...

Beantown Bronco
07-08-2011, 11:25 AM
@Bean, I will take Rev...he just doesn't quit or forget

Is that supposed to be a real competition?

The side bet would be more how long the battle will last (how many posts and pages before the inevitable tap-out) as opposed to who will actually win.

Rabb
07-08-2011, 11:25 AM
So then why did he drop to 25 in the draft? Why was he said to be a bust waiting to happen? A project?

Not that I agree with one word of that.. like I said.. I think it's a problem with the people in the NFL not Tebow, at all.

I have no idea, and I am not even saying he should have been a first rounder but to me, he has at a very minimum shown he belongs in the league in some capacity which was the question

Rabb
07-08-2011, 11:26 AM
The side bet would be more how long the battle will last (how many posts and pages before the inevitable tap-out) as opposed to who will actually win.

pages before they both quit?

mind = blown

seriously...this could be epic

Gort
07-08-2011, 11:28 AM
So then why did he drop to 25 in the draft? Why was he said to be a bust waiting to happen? A project?

Not that I agree with one word of that.. like I said.. I think it's a problem with the people in the NFL not Tebow, at all.

just because 1 guy on ESPN says something and everyone else in the sports media rushes to agree, doesn't mean that the 1 guy is correct.

conventional wisdom = mindless repetition of what everyone else is saying

Tebow is a winner. Elway is just jealous of Tebow. there, i said it!

when all is said and done, the city of Denver will one day be renamed in Tebow's honor... Tebowopolis. we might even put his image on the $20 bill one day too. :yayaya:

jhns
07-08-2011, 11:28 AM
It really isn't... I already dominated him in another thread and then the Bin Laden hit proved it when a unseen helicopter showed up which he said couldn't exist.. and it even used "saucer" technology which he said couldn't exist..

You can't get anymore owned than that...

What a sad individual.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 11:29 AM
I have no idea, and I am not even saying he should have been a first rounder but to me, he has at a very minimum shown he belongs in the league in some capacity which was the question

No.. that wasn't the question.. the question was "why wouldn't Fox use him over Orton when he has all this incredible ability".

I said it was because coaches in the NFL have no stones or creativity... that was what separated McDaniels.

And the reason McDaniels probably felt this way was because he saw first hand what happened with Brady..

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 11:30 AM
What a sad individual.

You got that backward chappy.. you don't even know what you are talking about.

Sorry I owned your boy though.. I realize it makes you look bad too.

Rabb
07-08-2011, 11:30 AM
No.. that wasn't the question.. the question was "why wouldn't Fox use him over Orton when he has all this incredible ability".

I said it was because coaches in the NFL have no stones or creativity... that was what separated McDaniels.

And the reason McDaniels probably felt this way was because he saw first hand what happened with Brady..

not YOUR question....the question that most had when he was coming out

jhns
07-08-2011, 11:31 AM
You got that backward chappy.. you don't even know what you are talking about.

Sorry I owned your boy though.. I realize it makes you look bad too.

Sad...

Gort
07-08-2011, 11:33 AM
pages before they both quit?

mind = blown

seriously...this could be epic

tale of the tape.

McGruder. 629 posts. joined in 01/2011.
TheRev. 21382 posts. joined in 04/2005.

a classic battle between an inexperienced youngster and a grizzled OM veteran.

Let's.... get.... ready.... to.... rumble!!!!!

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 11:33 AM
Sad...

Yours and the Rev's denial is what is sad...

jhns
07-08-2011, 11:36 AM
Yours and the Rev's denial is what is sad...

It breaks my heart to see the less fortunate struggle so much.

Rabb
07-08-2011, 11:36 AM
tale of the tape.

McGruder. 629 posts. joined in 01/2011.
TheRev. 21382 posts. joined in 04/2005.

a classic battle between an inexperienced youngster and a grizzled OM veteran.

Let's.... get.... ready.... to.... rumble!!!!!

ROFL!

(PS - no way McG is "new")

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 11:39 AM
The side bet would be more how long the battle will last (how many posts and pages before the inevitable tap-out) as opposed to who will actually win.

I'll bet on MacGruder(baja) -- see "anti gravity" thread. After about 20 pages of incessant "all truth goes through 3 phases" I can't take anymore.

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 11:40 AM
Yours and the Rev's denial is what is sad...

Denial of what?

Bradford and Brady?

Let me guess, despite posting zero examples again in this instance you'll just say "all truth goes through 3 stages" and walk off?

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 11:43 AM
I'll bet on MacGruder(baja) -- see "anti gravity" thread. After about 20 pages of incessant "all truth goes through 3 phases" I can't take anymore.

The only reason I said it is because of the constant mindless trolling like your posts... They'd obviously make great masons too right? More 32nd degrees.. LOL

What is amazing is that with all your mystical teachings you had time to make so many quality posts... LOL

TheRev hasn't even come to terms with the fact he was owned.. more wisdom from the Wiz.. haha

That is what he should be called.. now THAT is appropriate. Wonder if that is what the WIZARD OF OZ WAS REALLY ABOUT.. FREEMASONRY.

Rabb
07-08-2011, 11:45 AM
can someone splain' the freemasonry bit to me?

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 11:46 AM
Denial of what?

Bradford and Brady?

Let me guess, despite posting zero examples again in this instance you'll just say "all truth goes through 3 stages" and walk off?

About everything.. have you ever been right about anything?

I can only surmise that you are so bored you argue things that are obvious just because you have nothing better to do.. or your ego is so immense you think you can BS so much to even argue what is clearly wrong.

Or maybe just an abuse of power you feel your post count affords you.. that makes a lot of sense.. Freemason elitism. It's what they do for fellow brothers of the order...

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 11:46 AM
can someone splain' the freemasonry bit to me?

He says he's a 32nd degree Mason.. didn't you know?

Dagmar
07-08-2011, 11:47 AM
Isn't it great to be chatting Broncos football again?

Dagmar
07-08-2011, 11:48 AM
Kinda...

CEH
07-08-2011, 11:52 AM
both are/have been now coached by the great Josh McD
Both Brady and Bradford seem to make quick decisions and have a quick mind. His contract is as big as Brady.

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 11:57 AM
The only reason I said it is because of the constant mindless trolling like your posts... They'd obviously make great masons too right? More 32nd degrees.. LOL

What is amazing is that with all your mystical teachings you had time to make so many quality posts... LOL

TheRev hasn't even come to terms with the fact he was owned.. more wisdom from the Wiz.. haha

That is what he should be called.. now THAT is appropriate. Wonder if that is what the WIZARD OF OZ WAS REALLY ABOUT.. FREEMASONRY.

About everything.. have you ever been right about anything?

I can only surmise that you are so bored you argue things that are obvious just because you have nothing better to do.. or your ego is so immense you think you can BS so much to even argue what is clearly wrong.

Or maybe just an abuse of power you feel your post count affords you.. that makes a lot of sense.. Freemason elitism. It's what they do for fellow brothers of the order...

Hilarious!

So are you going to make any actual comparison to Brady and Bradford or just keep smoke-screening it with these "wtf" posts?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iOrHDh7w1_8/TaDXQ8cAqII/AAAAAAAAAxc/3bJTwAOD-5E/s1600/waiting.gif

Gort
07-08-2011, 11:59 AM
can someone splain' the freemasonry bit to me?

apparently, all throughout the world, people who work with bricks and other mortar-based products are kept under lock and key in cages.

TheRev doesn't like that and advocates that handlers of all mortar-based products (aka masons) be granted their immediate freedom.

MacGruder apparently is bigoted against said handlers of mortar-based products and doesn't believe they should be granted any freedom whatsoever, and is mocking TheRev's free "mason" beliefs.

...however, i came to this thread late and i may be wrong.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 11:59 AM
Hilarious!

So are you going to make any actual comparison to Brady and Bradford or just keep smoke-screening it with these "wtf" posts?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iOrHDh7w1_8/TaDXQ8cAqII/AAAAAAAAAxc/3bJTwAOD-5E/s1600/waiting.gif

Wow... you really are desperate.. youa re just embarrassing yourself posting your little pictures.

Is that how you get to the 32nd degree? Your ability to post stupid pictures in every thread? You truly are a master..LMAO

Shananahan
07-08-2011, 12:01 PM
both are/have been now coached by the great Josh McD
Both Brady and Bradford seem to make quick decisions and have a quick mind. His contract is as big as Brady.
Yes, but Brady was the very first successful QB in the NFL. He was a trendsetter in that regard, and Bradford is simply St. Louis' attempt at follow that trend.

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 12:01 PM
Wow... you really are desperate.. youa re just embarrassing yourself posting your little pictures.

Is that how you get to the 32nd degree? You ability to post stupid pictures in every thread? You truly are a master..LMAO

Mmm hmm... let me guess, you're going to continue to harp on that instead of posting any actual comparison to Brady and Bradford and how Brady improved Sam's draft status?

I'm still anxiously awaiting something to that end.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 12:04 PM
Mmm hmm... let me guess, you're going to continue to harp on that instead of posting any actual comparison to Brady and Bradford and how Brady improved Sam's draft status?

I'm still anxiously awaiting something to that end.

I'm still waiting for you to refute it.. ooopps.. you can't can you.. which is why you post your pictures all day..

If it isn't obviously correct you should be able to refute it. Please do...

OABB
07-08-2011, 12:07 PM
the comparisons are limitless.

they both wear football jerseys.

they both throw a football.


they also wear helmets.

they play a position called "Quarterback"

they like to throw footballs to other guys on their teams for points.


they both get mad when they throw the ball to the other teams guys.


should I go on Rev? you are getting decimated here.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 12:10 PM
Someone else that can't refute it... Keep dodging...

That alone is proof I am right.

Beantown Bronco
07-08-2011, 12:11 PM
I'm still waiting for you to refute it.. ooopps.. you can't can you.. which is why you post your pictures all day..

If it isn't obviously correct you should be able to refute it. Please do...

Here we go dragster, here we go [boom] [boom]

Shananahan
07-08-2011, 12:12 PM
Hell, Sam Bradford's name used to be Sam Dillford. He would have changed it all the way to Brady, but his parents only let him use the first four letters.

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 12:13 PM
I'm still waiting for you to refute it.. ooopps.. you can't can you.. which is why you post your pictures all day..

If it isn't obviously correct you should be able to refute it. Please do...

Because there's no real comparison...?

Do you realize I can draw better comparisons with Tom Brandstater?

Bradford has a bigger arm than Brady (albeit still not "elite"), is more accurate (at this stage) and was a much better all around player in the collegiate ranks (pocket presence, decision making, roughly 20 lbs bigger, and have you seen Bradfords collegiate awards list?)

Frankly, it's completely laughable that you think Tom Brady sky rocketed Sam Bradford's draft stock.

Now, please try to refute using football examples

In b4 "lol 32nd degree!"
In b4 "all truth..."

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 12:19 PM
So you claim there is no comparison then start your argument with a complete LIE.

Bradford has a bigger arm than Brady

Skip Bayless who is the biggest OU homer ever said Bradford had a weak arm coming out of college..

You are juts making my case for me..

Bradford was a physical liability coming out of college just like Brady.. Bradford didn't bulk up at all until after he was out of college and he is still pretty lanky.

The way to attack both Brady and Bradford is to get physical with them.. it affects both of them much more than other NFL QBs.

You are just making my argument for me...

More proof you have no evidence to refute my comment. Because it was obviously true..

And Tebow was a 25th pick with far greater accomplishments than Bradford against far tougher competition so saying Bradford was more accomplished than Brady is just asinine..

OABB
07-08-2011, 12:22 PM
So you claim there is no comparison then start your argument with a complete LIE.



Skip Bayless who is the biggest OU homer ever said Bradford had a weak arm coming out of college..

You are juts making my case for me..

Bradford was a physical liability coming out of college just like Brady.. Bradford didn't bulk up at all until after he was out of college and he is still pretty lanky.

The way to attack both Brady and Bradford is to get physical with them.. it affects both of them much more than other NFL QBs.

You are just making my argument for me...

More proof you have no evidence to refute my comment. Because it was obviously true..

And Tebow was a 25th pick with far greater accomplishments than Bradford against far tougher competition so saying Bradford was more accomplished than Brady is just asinine..


he never claimed this dumb****.

YOU claimed Brady was the reason Bradford's draft stock climbed.
Did you forget that doozy?

stick to your own mistakes first, than try and move on mmmkay?

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 12:24 PM
So you claim there is no comparison then start your argument with a complete LIE.



Skip Bayless who is the biggest OU homer ever said Bradford had a weak arm coming out of college..

You are juts making my case for me..

Bradford was a physical liability coming out of college just like Brady.. Bradford didn't bulk up at all until after he was out of college and he is still pretty lanky.

The way to attack both Brady and Bradford is to get physical with them.. it affects both of them much more than other NFL QBs.

You are just making my argument for me...

More proof you have no evidence to refute my comment. Because it was obviously true..

And Tebow was a 25th pick with far greater accomplishments than Bradford against far tougher competition so saying Bradford was more accomplished than Brady is just asinine..

1. Bradford was more accomplished than Brady. Tebow has nothing to do with that.

2. Bradford was 236lbs at the combine. Brady was 211 after finishing the season at 199.

3. Bradford has a BIGGER arm than Brady. This is an undisputable fact no matter how much you reference Skip Bayless in a vacuum. I didn't call it a Matt Stafford/Cutler/etc arm or even a Peyton Manning arm, but it's stronger than Brady's. Period.

4. The way to attack ANY QB is to get physical with them, you buffoon.

5. Please try again. You're cute when you're angry :kiss:

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 12:25 PM
he never claimed this dumb****.

YOU claimed Brady was the reason Bradford's draft stock climbed.
Did you forget that doozy?

stick to your own mistakes first, than try and move on mmmkay?

You still haven't refuted it dumbass... why else would a weak armed physical liability with little athleticism go number one over Tebow?

Fail.

Shananahan
07-08-2011, 12:26 PM
Anybody ever notice how Peyton Manning's NFL career didn't really take off until Brady became a starter in college?

He just didn't have the blueprint to follow until then, I guess.

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 12:27 PM
Anybody ever notice how Peyton Manning's NFL career didn't really take off until Brady became a starter in college?

He just didn't have the blueprint to follow until then, I guess.

Tom Brady owes his draft status to the similar play of Joe Montana and Troy Aikman.

...oh wait.

broncocalijohn
07-08-2011, 12:27 PM
Guaranteed tebow and Quinn pull better than that.

Yeah, but Quinn's are dudes.
Seems Fox is looking at Tebow to lead us off. Competition? Sure, but I believe it is Tebow's to lose. Can't wait to go back now and read how this thread has changed from its headline.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 12:34 PM
1. Bradford was more accomplished than Brady. Tebow has nothing to do with that.

How could Tebow NOT have anything to do with that? he went OVER Tebow.. Tebow even has a stronger arm than Bradford and more accomplished and more athletic! How else do you justify Bradford going over Tebow? Tebow even went over Brady!

How can you be this stupid? Is that how you get to the 32nd degree? It's the 32 degree of stupidity? LOL

[/quote]2. Bradford was 236lbs at the combine. Brady was 211 after finishing the season at 199.[/quote]

Bradford was said to be the number one pick long before this, you loon. LOL

3. Bradford has a BIGGER arm than Brady. This is an undisputable fact no matter how much you reference Skip Bayless in a vacuum. I didn't call it a Matt Stafford/Cutler/etc arm or even a Peyton Manning arm, but it's stronger than Brady's. Period.

So then prove it.. I backed my statement up with a guy who watched every OU game.. BACK IT UP, LOSER.

4. The way to attack ANY QB is to get physical with them, you buffoon.

No it isn't you 32nd degree tool bag! Guys who are athletic and can take the punishment you force them to stay in the pocket.. NOT attack them. Guys like Brady and Bradford it PAYS to play them physicla even wuith the risk of them punishing you for it because their game will drop off. Look at the national champ game. Both guys have to be protected like China dolls..

[quote]5. Please try again. You're cute when you're angry[/qupte]

Angry? I am loving this.. you are fun to own if nothing else... probably because you are such a 32nd degree elitist loon.

You continue to prove how you have no argument and my statement was dead-on. Even you realize it now. You walked right into it.

It's fun to watch you and your chronies try to dance your way out of it every time though..

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 12:39 PM
Wow.

Just wow.

broncocalijohn
07-08-2011, 12:44 PM
Ok, seems MacGruber is back and with the help of Rev, has seen this thread really take off. MacGruber, show some ****ing proof of why Bradford is compared to Brady. If true, it makes sense. Just go google some pre draft stuff and bring it here. It seems no one else is in agreement with you. I don't have an opinion one way or the other so I would like to see this comparison (as many might also). Get to work!
As for TheReverend, did you ever dispute Kaylore's rebuttal on your claim that Orton fumbles the ball too many times in his thread? I know you were in AZ at the time so I assumed you were going to look up some stats once you got back from AZ.
If you are going to slam one poster, you got to be held in the same standards for your claim.

As for MacGruber, you seemed to be gone for awhile. Alien abduction or working on your anti gravity vehicle?

epicSocialism4tw
07-08-2011, 12:45 PM
So you claim there is no comparison then start your argument with a complete LIE.

Skip Bayless who is the biggest OU homer ever said Bradford had a weak arm coming out of college..

Bradford had a "weak arm"? Um...not really. Your first mistake is taking anything that someone named "Skip" said seriously. Your second mistake is taking Skip Bayless seriously.

Bradford was a physical liability coming out of college just like Brady.. Bradford didn't bulk up at all until after he was out of college and he is still pretty lanky.

I wouldn't say that Bradford has ever been overly skinny. He has always been fit, and has never been a "physical liability". That was a myth propagated by people who knew nothing of him but his injury.

The way to attack both Brady and Bradford is to get physical with them.. it affects both of them much more than other NFL QBs.

That doesn't bother Bradford at all.
You are just making my argument for me...

More proof you have no evidence to refute my comment. Because it was obviously true..

And Tebow was a 25th pick with far greater accomplishments than Bradford against far tougher competition so saying Bradford was more accomplished than Brady is just asinine..[/QUOTE]

Blueflame
07-08-2011, 12:45 PM
Probably best to not click on that link at work. Thanks.....

The link is fixed now. Thank you to those who reported that it went to a porn page.

epicSocialism4tw
07-08-2011, 12:47 PM
You still haven't refuted it dumbass... why else would a weak armed physical liability with little athleticism go number one over Tebow?

Fail.

Did you really just say that Bradford has little athleticism? Hilarious!

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 12:47 PM
Okay, despite my better judgment, I'm gonna try and wade through this massive pile of feces:

How could Tebow NOT have anything to do with that? he went OVER Tebow.. Tebow even has a stronger arm than Bradford and more accomplished and more athletic! How else do you justify Bradford going over Tebow? Tebow even went over Brady!

How can you be this stupid? Is that how you get to the 32nd degree? It's the 32 degree of stupidity? LOL

Because you're making a comparison between Brady and Bradford and Tebow has literally NOTHING to do with either's play style.

NOTHING.

Bradford was said to be the number one pick long before this, you loon. LOL

What does that have to do with refuting your statement with the FACT that Sam is and was over 20 lbs bigger?

So then prove it.. I backed my statement up with a guy who watched every OU game.. BACK IT UP, LOSER.

Okay.

Video starts out with a pretty OVER 60 yarder:

<iframe width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/I78tXfRDPso" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

No it isn't you 32nd degree tool bag! Guys who are athletic and can take the punishment you force them to stay in the pocket.. NOT attack them. Guys like Brady and Bradford it PAYS to play them physicla even wuith the risk of them punishing you for it because their game will drop off. Look at the national champ game. Both guys have to be protected like China dolls..

Dick Lebeau and his HoF career is lol'ing at you SO hard right now and JJ is rolling over in his grave.

Angry? I am loving this.. you are fun to own if nothing else... probably because you are such a 32nd degree elitist loon.

You continue to prove how you have no argument and my statement was dead-on. Even you realize it now. You walked right into it.

It's fun to watch you and your chronies try to dance your way out of it every time though..

Sure thing.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 12:49 PM
Did you really just say that Bradford has little athleticism? Hilarious!

Did you just try to imply he does have athleticism? LOL

This is the guy who was protected like a china doll his whole college career behind the best line facing horrible D and the one time he got hit by scrubs he fell apart faster than a chinese motorcycle...

Shananahan
07-08-2011, 12:52 PM
Why are you guys trying to logically argue with him on this? What is the point of really demanding proof of his claim, other than encouraging him into believing it might exist?

We should be plenty capable of making nonstop jokes about it at his expense without further nonsense and infantile ranting spamming the thread.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 12:55 PM
What does that have to do with refuting your statement with the FACT that Sam is and was over 20 lbs bigger?

bwaaahahahaha

Fin.

epicSocialism4tw
07-08-2011, 12:56 PM
Did you just try to imply he does have athleticism?

This is the guy who was protected like a china doll his whole college career behind the best line facing horrible D and the one time he got hit by scrubs he fell apart faster than a chinese motorcycle...

I watched more OU football than Skip Bayless can pretend to have watched.

This is just one example of Bradford's athleticsim as he stiff-arms and then outruns this middle linebacker to the touchline, leaps over a DB and get's helicoptered out of bounds by an end:
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OU played Bradford in bootlegs and shotguns for a reason...because he can move all around the pocket.

Bradford was also an excellent basketball player, a scratch golfer, a hockey player, baseball player, and ran track.

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 12:58 PM
I watched more OU football than Skip Bayless can pretend to have watched.

This is just one example of Bradford's athleticsim as he stiff-arms and then outruns this middle linebacker to the touchline, leaps over a DB and get's helicoptered out of bounds by an end:
<object style="height: 390px; width: 640px"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/n6s8t9hOMXU?version=3"><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/n6s8t9hOMXU?version=3" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="640" height="390"></object>

OU played Bradford in bootlegs and shotguns for a reason...because he can move all around the pocket.

Pfffffft

If I had a dollar for every time I've seen Brady turn the corner!

/MacGruder

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 01:01 PM
You can't be friking serious.. the guy almost got killed against a crap Big12 D! If he had been in the SEC he would have been killed before he even got out of the pocket! That is the best example of athleticism you could find? LOL

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 01:02 PM
Pfffffft

If I had a dollar for every time I've seen Brady turn the corner!

/MacGruder

Turn the corner.. LMFAO

Do you even know what shame is? Your life is the definition of a delusion..

The fact Brady even had to run the ball in against those crap defenses he faced is an embarrassment.. that is WHY he isn't even Tom Brady coming out of college.

Juts keep buying what the media sells you.. again.. if it wasn't for Brady you wouldn't be buying it..

The same thing is going to happen to Bradford that happened to Orton this season. Hell.. the only reason Oroton was starter last season was the same reason - Brady being such a success in Bellichick's offense. it's why McD thought he could do the same with him..

Beantown Bronco
07-08-2011, 01:03 PM
I'm convinced guys like this are just creations of Taco for when traffic starts to get slow around here and he needs the clicks.

SoonerBronco
07-08-2011, 01:05 PM
I watched more OU football than Skip Bayless can pretend to have watched.

This is just one example of Bradford's athleticsim as he stiff-arms and then outruns this middle linebacker to the touchline, leaps over a DB and get's helicoptered out of bounds by an end:
<object style="height: 390px; width: 640px"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/n6s8t9hOMXU?version=3"><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/n6s8t9hOMXU?version=3" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="640" height="390"></object>

OU played Bradford in bootlegs and shotguns for a reason...because he can move all around the pocket.

Bradford was also an excellent basketball player, a scratch golfer, a hockey player, baseball player, and ran track.

he averaged a double double and was an AAU team mate of Blake Griffin.

epicSocialism4tw
07-08-2011, 01:12 PM
You can't be friking serious.. the guy almost got killed against a crap Big12 D! If he had been in the SEC he would have been killed before he even got out of the pocket! That is the best example of athleticism you could find? LOL

What on earth are you even talking about? Bradford was known as both an athlete and a great pocket passer at Oklahoma. He made it look easy because he was just that good.

Here are some Bradford highlights for anyone who would like to see them:
<object style="height: 390px; width: 640px"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/DwstGmNajh0?version=3"><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/DwstGmNajh0?version=3" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="640" height="390"></object>

broncocalijohn
07-08-2011, 01:16 PM
Juts keep buying what the media sells you.. again.. if it wasn't for Brady you wouldn't be buying it..



Well, it took a little time before the conspiracy theory came out.

OABB
07-08-2011, 01:20 PM
is macgruder Lex? it's "kobe can't hit a game winner" all over again.

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 01:24 PM
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x118/kenny447/Misc/Drivethrough_reaction.gif

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 01:25 PM
Well, it took a little time before the conspiracy theory came out.

How can you even claim this when Tebow was said to be a bust?

Are you really this stupid?

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 01:26 PM
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x118/kenny447/Misc/Drivethrough_reaction.gif

More masonic wisdom... LMAO

What a joke..

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 01:26 PM
How can you even claim this when Tebow was said to be a bust?

Are you really this stupid?

...This discussion has NOTHING to do with Tebow.

It's Bradford and Brady... not Tim.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 01:28 PM
...This discussion has NOTHING to do with Tebow.

It's Bradford and Brady... not Tim.

Of course you would say that.. because it destroys your entire argument..


What does that have to do with refuting your statement with the FACT that Sam is and was over 20 lbs bigger?

This sniveling quote form you is so hilarious..

[Cat picture]"but why do I have to look at reality?"[/cat picture]

LMFAO

OABB
07-08-2011, 01:31 PM
Of course you would say that.. because it destroys your entire argument..




This sniveling quote form you is so hilarious..

[Cat picture]"but why do I have to look at reality?"[/cat picture]

LMFAO

dude, when you lose, it's best to admit it and just walk away. Continuing to argue a ridiculous notion while laying out really lame insults and acting like a bitch is kind of gross to watch personally. You should show a little class and pride and just stop honestly.

DBroncos4life
07-08-2011, 01:32 PM
Bradford has been compared to Manning WAY more then he has ever been Tom Brady. Hell even Archie Manning thought Bradford was worth the first overall pick.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/371215-sam-bradford-sooner-will-be-the-next-peyton-manning

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 01:32 PM
...This discussion has NOTHING to do with Tebow.

It's Bradford and Brady... not Tim.

This is the entire point though.. that Bradford could be drafted over tebow with all Bradford's weaknesses is BECAUSE of Brady.

Brady was taken lower than Tebow.. and Tebow was supposed to be a bust...

Yet Bradford has the exact same weaknesses and strengths as Brady and goes over Brady AND Tebow

epicSocialism4tw
07-08-2011, 01:33 PM
Of course you would say that.. because it destroys your entire argument..




This sniveling quote form you is so hilarious..

[Cat picture]"but why do I have to look at reality?"[/cat picture]

LMFAO

Give it up, man.

You pulled a Hindenburg.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 01:33 PM
Bradford has been compared to Manning WAY more then he has ever been Tom Brady. Hell even Archie Manning thought Bradford was worth the first overall pick.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/371215-sam-bradford-sooner-will-be-the-next-peyton-manning

Manning? That is NUTS... Manning is a physical BEAST. If Bradford got hit like Manning he'd be dead. In the SEC or NFL...

OABB
07-08-2011, 01:33 PM
Bradford has been compared to Manning WAY more then he has ever been Tom Brady. Hell even Archie Manning thought Bradford was worth the first overall pick.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/371215-sam-bradford-sooner-will-be-the-next-peyton-manning

that because Archie watched Tom Brady. Duh.

are you a 33rd level mason?

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 01:34 PM
This is the entire point though.. that Bradford could be drafted over team with all Bradford's weaknesses is BECAUSE of Brady.

Brady was taken lower than Tebow.. and Tebow was supposed to be a bust...

Yet Bradford has the exact same weaknesses and strengths as Brady and goes over Brady AND Tebow

Hilarious!

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 01:34 PM
dude, when you lose, it's best to admit it and just walk away. Continuing to argue a ridiculous notion while laying out really lame insults and acting like a b**** is kind of gross to watch personally. You should show a little class and pride and just stop honestly.

You have it backwards.. it is the Rev who is not repsonding to my comments.. not the other way around..

Bradford was considered the number one pick BEFORE he ever put weight on... that proves my point.

epicSocialism4tw
07-08-2011, 01:35 PM
Manning? That is NUTS... Manning is a physical BEAST. If Bradford got hit like Manning he'd be dead. In the SEC or NFL...

Okay, this is starting to get weird.

I have a hard time thinking that someone could put this many questionable statements together in sequence.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 01:36 PM
Let me guess.. all you idiots are buddies in political discussions right..

Team Dbag... politicizing EVERYTHING...

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 01:38 PM
Okay, this is starting to get weird.

I have a hard time thinking that someone could put this many questionable statements together in sequence.

Manning is HUGE. to compare Bradford to Peyton is just silly beyond belief..

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 01:39 PM
I really didn't think it was possible for his football takes to be as nucking futs as his anti-gravity and conspiracies, but I digress!

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 01:39 PM
What does that have to do with refuting your statement with the FACT that Sam is and was over 20 lbs bigger?

Fin.

The game is over kids.. why are you too deluding yourself...

OABB
07-08-2011, 01:40 PM
Let me guess.. all you idiots are buddies in political discussions right..

Team Dbag... politicizing EVERYTHING...

Yeah, Epic and I are kindred when it comes to politics....

eyeroll.

DBroncos4life
07-08-2011, 01:40 PM
Manning? That is NUTS... Manning is a physical BEAST. If Bradford got hit like Manning he'd be dead. In the SEC or NFL...

Manning 6'5 230
Bradford 6'4 228

Bradford took every snap this year in the NFL. I guess he wasn't hit at all this year which would be a new NFL record. Congrats Bradford for being even better then I thought.

As for the SEC when Manning played. The Big 8/12 ruled if you don't believe me watch Mannings last game vs the Huskers.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 01:41 PM
I really didn't think it was possible for his football takes to be as nucking futs as his anti-gravity and conspiracies, but I digress!

Yeah.. I would talk about this nonsense too instead of answering the questions you couldn't in your response to my reply.

Keep deluding yourself though.. it's your MO.

OABB
07-08-2011, 01:41 PM
You have it backwards.. it is the Rev who is not repsonding to my comments.. not the other way around..

Bradford was considered the number one pick BEFORE he ever put weight on... that proves my point.

that you are a ****ing retard?

epicSocialism4tw
07-08-2011, 01:46 PM
Manning is HUGE. to compare Bradford to Peyton is just silly beyond belief..

Um...Manning just might be an inch taller than Bradford.

The difference between Manning and Bradford? Bradford is athletic.

I'm fairly certain that by 2013, Sam Bradford is the best pocket passer in the NFL.

Kaylore
07-08-2011, 01:46 PM
LOL This turned into the greatest thread!

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 01:46 PM
Manning 6'5 230
Bradford 6'4 228

Bradford took every snap this year in the NFL. I guess he wasn't hit at all this year which would be a new NFL record. Congrats Bradford for being even better then I thought.

As for the SEC when Manning played. The Big 8/12 ruled if you don't believe me watch Mannings last game vs the Huskers.

Wow.. so you believe stats but can't see watching freaking TV? Did you see Bradford get slaughtered in preseason when he wasn't protected like a china doll. Just like Brady.. protect him he's great.. if he gets hit he falls apart.

There was a whole piece on ESPN about how Manning was delivering the ball to perfection even after getting hit over and over on every pass. Bradford does not go through this.. the Rams use the same system the Pats use to protect Bradford and have him dump the ball off on short pass after short pass.. Just like Orton. Orton's stock is dramatically higher than it should be because of Brady too. But just like Orton Bradford is fool's gold too.

And in Manning's era everything was way different.. Bradford played horribly weak teams and had far superior talent to his opponents.. there was no parity in Bradford' conference.. the SEC is ALL parity now and they are far and away the toughest conference..

DBroncos4life
07-08-2011, 01:47 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/353891-2010-nfl-combine-bradfords-weight-shakes-up-top-five

Bradford took his turn, and surprised the sleep deprived room (the weigh-ins start at 7:30am after all) by weighing in at 236 pounds, and every bit of it appeared to be muscle. This came after his surgically repaired shoulder was given a clean bill of health Thursday after rigorous testing by the NFL doctors

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=64631&draftyear=2010&genpos=QB

oubronco
07-08-2011, 01:47 PM
So you claim there is no comparison then start your argument with a complete LIE.



Skip Bayless who is the biggest OU homer ever said Bradford had a weak arm coming out of college..

You are juts making my case for me..

Bradford was a physical liability coming out of college just like Brady.. Bradford didn't bulk up at all until after he was out of college and he is still pretty lanky.

The way to attack both Brady and Bradford is to get physical with them.. it affects both of them much more than other NFL QBs.

You are just making my argument for me...

More proof you have no evidence to refute my comment. Because it was obviously true..

And Tebow was a 25th pick with far greater accomplishments than Bradford against far tougher competition so saying Bradford was more accomplished than Brady is just asinine..

Hilarious! Completely batshyt crazy!!

epicSocialism4tw
07-08-2011, 01:48 PM
Let me guess.. all you idiots are buddies in political discussions right..

Team Dbag... politicizing EVERYTHING...

Yeah, we're all lumped together into big happy resonating political ideological harmonies.

You should join us...we're all zoooooombies.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 01:48 PM
Um...Manning just might be an inch taller than Bradford.

The difference between Manning and Bradford? Bradford is athletic.

I'm fairly certain that by 2013, Sam Bradford is the best pocket passer in the NFL.

I think he will put up big regular season numbers and get beat down in the playoffs... I think he is total fool's gold.. just like he was in the SEC championship.

I think even Brady's offense is somewhat fool's gold.. but with guys like Bradford and Orton it is COMPLETE fool's gold..

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 01:48 PM
Fin.

The game is over kids.. why are you too deluding yourself...

Yeah dude, you keep reposting you getting absolutely owned there by an irrefutable FACT...

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 01:50 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/353891-2010-nfl-combine-bradfords-weight-shakes-up-top-five

Bradford took his turn, and surprised the sleep deprived room (the weigh-ins start at 7:30am after all) by weighing in at 236 pounds, and every bit of it appeared to be muscle. This came after his surgically repaired shoulder was given a clean bill of health Thursday after rigorous testing by the NFL doctors

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=64631&draftyear=2010&genpos=QB

Lol, yeah, I already posted that and somehow he uses at proof in his Brady comparison when Bradford was 25lbs bigger than Brady...

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 01:50 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/353891-2010-nfl-combine-bradfords-weight-shakes-up-top-five

Bradford took his turn, and surprised the sleep deprived room (the weigh-ins start at 7:30am after all) by weighing in at 236 pounds, and every bit of it appeared to be muscle. This came after his surgically repaired shoulder was given a clean bill of health Thursday after rigorous testing by the NFL doctors

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=64631&draftyear=2010&genpos=QB

He was considered the number one pick even before he put weight on by the combine...

IF Bradford was so tough then how did he get injured so easily never taking hits? Why does his game fall apart when he is hit? Why does he check down so much?

Fail.

epicSocialism4tw
07-08-2011, 01:51 PM
Wow.. so you believe stats but can't see watching freaking TV? Did you see Bradford get slaughtered in preseason when he wasn't protected like a china doll. Just like Brady.. protect him he's great.. if he gets hit he falls apart.

There was a whole piece on ESPN about how Manning was delivering the ball to perfection even after getting hit over and over on every pass. Bradford does not go through this.. the Rams use the same system the Pats use to protect Bradford and have him dump the ball off on short pass after short pass.. Just like Orton. Orton's stock is dramatically higher than it should be because of Brady too. But just like Orton Bradford is fool's gold too.

And in Manning's era everything was way different.. Bradford played horribly weak teams and had far superior talent to his opponents.. there was no parity in Bradford' conference.. the SEC is ALL parity now and they are far and away the toughest conference..

Manning's pretty hot right now.

You should get yourself one of these and wait outside his house:
http://www.tang-trade.com/pic/200911161015378482.jpg

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 01:51 PM
Lol, yeah, I already posted that and somehow he uses at proof in his Brady comparison when Bradford was 25lbs bigger than Brady...

And somehow you KEEP ignoring that Bradford was the considered the number one pick even when he was scrawny....

But why do I have to deal with reality?

And he still can't take hits in the pocket...

Tom Brady weighs 225 now and he is still considered a physical liability...

LOL

Sorry.. too much reality...

OABB
07-08-2011, 01:52 PM
Wow.. so you believe stats but can't see watching freaking TV? Did you see Bradford get slaughtered in preseason when he wasn't protected like a china doll. Just like Brady.. protect him he's great.. if he gets hit he falls apart.

There was a whole piece on ESPN about how Manning was delivering the ball to perfection even after getting hit over and over on every pass. Bradford does not go through this.. the Rams use the same system the Pats use to protect Bradford and have him dump the ball off on short pass after short pass.. Just like Orton. Orton's stock is dramatically higher than it should be because of Brady too. But just like Orton Bradford is fool's gold too.

And in Manning's era everything was way different.. Bradford played horribly weak teams and had far superior talent to his opponents.. there was no parity in Bradford' conference.. the SEC is ALL parity now and they are far and away the toughest conference..

Good point. also another comparison is that when Tom brady is tackled, he goes to the ground... and guess what????!!!!

So does Bradford!

Also, when Brady throws the football and his teammate catches it in the endzone his team is awarded 6 points...

and guess who also gets six points for a touchdown......???????


yep, you guessed it.


Sam Bradford.


case closed. Macgruder is the winner.

epicSocialism4tw
07-08-2011, 01:52 PM
He was considered the number one pick even before he put weight on by the combine...

IF Bradford was so tough then how did he get injured so easily never taking hits? Why does his game fall apart when he is hit? Why does he check down so much?

Fail.

You know alot about Sam Bradford.

Tell us more.

Kaylore
07-08-2011, 01:54 PM
Good point. also another comparison is that when Tom brady is tackled, he goes to the ground... and guess what????!!!!

So does Bradford!

Also, when Brady throws the football and his teammate catches it in the endzone his team is awarded 6 points...

and guess who also gets six points for a touchdown......???????


yep, you guessed it.


Sam Bradford.


case closed. Macgruder is the winner.

LOL

This argument was lost when Skip Bayless was invoked.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.aoltv.com/media/2009/11/skip_bayless_projectile_vomit.jpg
Skip Bayless is here.
Your argument is invalid.

OABB
07-08-2011, 01:54 PM
Yeah, we're all lumped together into big happy resonating political ideological harmonies.

You should join us...we're all zoooooombies.

yeah, that one made me laugh. He obviously didn't research that one...

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 01:55 PM
And somehow you KEEP ignoring that Bradford was the considered the number one pick even when he was scrawny....

But why do I have to deal with reality?

And he still can't take hits in the pocket...

Tom Brady weighs 225 now and he is still considered a physical liability...

LOL

Sorry.. too much reality...

During the season when Bradford was "scrawny" he weighed 223 and he wasn't considered the "number one pick then".

In fact, one quick sentence of this article completely refutes EVERY point you're claiming in your post:

"For those NFL personnel people who were on the fence about Bradford because of his formerly 223-pound frame, wondering if he could take repeated hits in the pocket at that size, a more muscled Bradford could shake up the top of the draft board. "

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Bradford-s-weight-could-have-him-flying-up-the-b?urn=nfl-224453

Cliffs of post:
-Owned

DBroncos4life
07-08-2011, 01:55 PM
Wow.. so you believe stats but can't see watching freaking TV? Did you see Bradford get slaughtered in preseason when he wasn't protected like a china doll. Just like Brady.. protect him he's great.. if he gets hit he falls apart.

There was a whole piece on ESPN about how Manning was delivering the ball to perfection even after getting hit over and over on every pass. Bradford does not go through this.. the Rams use the same system the Pats use to protect Bradford and have him dump the ball off on short pass after short pass.. Just like Orton. Orton's stock is dramatically higher than it should be because of Brady too. But just like Orton Bradford is fool's gold too.

And in Manning's era everything was way different.. Bradford played horribly weak teams and had far superior talent to his opponents.. there was no parity in Bradford' conference.. the SEC is ALL parity now and they are far and away the toughest conference..

http://www.pe.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/stories/041410dnsponfldraftqbs.400bf7b.html

The best

Sam Bradford, Oklahoma

He may be the most accurate passer produced by the college ranks since Peyton Manning. Bradford led the NCAA in passing efficiency in 2007 and 2008 and completed 67.1 percent of his career passes.

Bradford had streaks in his career of 22 and 21 consecutive completions. He threw an NCAA freshman-record 36 touchdown passes in 2007, then set a school record with 50 as a sophomore in 2008. Shoulder injuries in 2009 denied Bradford the chance to build on his records at OU.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/round-two/article_0bba4ffc-144d-11e0-881c-00127992bc8b.html
KEVIN WHEELER (Host of "Sports Open Line" on KMOX):

He reminds me of Peyton Manning. I thought so when he was playing at Oklahoma, I said so on-air in the lead-up to the draft and I've seen nothing since that would change my mind. They're about the same size (Manning is 6'5" 230 and Bradford is 6'4" 228), they're both accurate passers with strong arms and most importantly they're intelligent leaders who make things look easier than they really are.

That's not to say that I think he'll wind up doing what Manning has done over the years. He could but that's an awful lot to expect. Bradford has a long way to go to get to Manning's level but the rookie season Bradford is putting together is one of the best of all-time certainly makes it feel like anything is possible. Anything, that is, if he is surrounded by the kind of playmakers the Colts have had during Manning's career

Note not one person said Tom Brady lol.

http://www.examiner.com/oklahoma-sooners-in-oklahoma-city/sam-bradford-breaks-peyton-manning-s-rookie-completions-record

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 01:55 PM
Yeah dude, you keep reposting you getting absolutely owned there by an irrefutable FACT...

Yes.. because we know the majority is always right..

You couldn't answer my comment.. you still can't... you have no response. You have been owned... deluding yourself won't change that...

Fin.

OABB
07-08-2011, 01:57 PM
Yes.. because we know the majority is always right..

You couldn't answer my comment.. you still can't... you have no response. You have been owned... deluding yourself won't change that...

Fin.

this is.....


awesome....



just awesome.
28797

Abqbronco
07-08-2011, 01:58 PM
So then why did he drop to 25 in the draft? Why was he said to be a bust waiting to happen? A project?

Not that I agree with one word of that.. like I said.. I think it's a problem with the people in the NFL not Tebow, at all.

Good point. I am going to call up Aaron Rogers and ask him his opinion.

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 01:59 PM
Yes.. because we know the majority is always right..

You couldn't answer my comment.. you still can't... you have no response. You have been owned... deluding yourself won't change that...

Fin.

What comment?!?!?

I've shredded every attempt at a "comment" that you've made!

Most recently here:

http://orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3213142&postcount=169

OABB
07-08-2011, 01:59 PM
Good point. I am going to call up Aaron Rogers and ask him his opinion.

It's because Aaron Rogers made it possible for Tebow to drop in draft status, duh.

DBroncos4life
07-08-2011, 02:04 PM
He was considered the number one pick even before he put weight on by the combine...

IF Bradford was so tough then how did he get injured so easily never taking hits? Why does his game fall apart when he is hit? Why does he check down so much?

Fail.

Bradford was sacked 34 times this year. How many games did he miss due to injury after being hit by these NFL players? It should be a pretty easy question for you to answer with him being so weak and all.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 02:05 PM
Yes.. Bradford is nothing like Brady.. that's why Josh McDaniels is his coach right now.. LMFAO..

Tebow, McCoy not projected as good pros, but Oklahoma QB may be Brady

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/28162301/

http://nbcsportsmedia4.msnbc.com/j/NBCSports/Components/Photo-Sports/December/081212_SamBradford_h.grid-5x2.jpg

Will Josh McDaniels Turn Sam Bradford Into The Next Tom Brady

http://realfantasy.sportspagenetwork.com/2011/01/Will-Josh-McDaniels-Turn-Sam-Bradford-Into-The-Next-Tom-Brady.aspx

He is similar to Tom Brady in many of his skills

http://www.draftinsiders.com/node/1104

oubronco
07-08-2011, 02:05 PM
OMG!! This guy can't be this retarded can he?

Drek
07-08-2011, 02:06 PM
OMG!! This guy can't be this retarded can he?

You obviously didn't catch the debate he and Rev had on the history of anti-gravity technology.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 02:07 PM
Bradford was sacked 34 times this year. How many games did he miss due to injury after being hit by these NFL players? It should be a pretty easy question for you to answer with him being so weak and all.

That's one season and he was protected like a china doll.. I watched the games..

There's getting sacked.. and GETTING SACKED.. their whole offense is geared to protect Bradford at all cost just like Bradford.. Just like McDaniels protected Orton. And when the heat came Bradford dropped just like Orton.

Shananahan
07-08-2011, 02:08 PM
LOL This turned into the greatest thread!
I think all the potential this thread had was doused in gasoline and burned to the ground over the last two or three pages.

Dude's a clueless, delusional idiot. Once it became blatantly obvious, something funny should have happened.... or something.

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 02:08 PM
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_litm3ryRy51qenyex.jpg

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 02:09 PM
You obviously didn't catch the debate he and Rev had on anti-gravity technology.

Just remember you said this when the truth comes out.. Fully.. it's already out really..

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 02:10 PM
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_litm3ryRy51qenyex.jpg

More Freemason secrets? LOL

Still no response I see...

Shananahan
07-08-2011, 02:10 PM
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g256/Ufipman/BlownMind.jpg

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 02:11 PM
I think all the potential this thread had was doused in gasoline and burned to the ground over the last two or three pages.

Dude's a clueless, delusional idiot. Once it became blatantly obvious, something funny should have happened.... or something.

If you said it it must be true... just like it was supposedly true Bradford wasn't compared to Brady.. LMAO.. oops

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 02:14 PM
What comment?!?!?

I've shredded every attempt at a "comment" that you've made!

Most recently here:

http://orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3213142&postcount=169


Bradford was considered the number one pick before he put weight on...

This destroys your entire argument.. you are living in a fantasy world...

Requiem
07-08-2011, 02:16 PM
This is some of the saddest **** I've read in my life. You guys need to stop.

DBroncos4life
07-08-2011, 02:19 PM
OMG!! This guy can't be this retarded can he?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/confirm.php

MacGruder
People that just talk out there ass and make retarded people look smart.
That dude didn't have a clue what he was talking about, what a MacGruder.
by DB4life on Jul 8, 2011

tags: retard, slow, dumb, waste, idiot


Hopefully they will approve it so we will all know he is in fact this retarded.

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 02:23 PM
More Freemason secrets? LOL

Still no response I see...

...response to WHAT?!?!?

You have NO point:

Because there's no real comparison...?

Do you realize I can draw better comparisons with Tom Brandstater?

Bradford has a bigger arm than Brady (albeit still not "elite"), is more accurate (at this stage) and was a much better all around player in the collegiate ranks (pocket presence, decision making, roughly 20 lbs bigger, and have you seen Bradfords collegiate awards list?)

Frankly, it's completely laughable that you think Tom Brady sky rocketed Sam Bradford's draft stock.

Now, please try to refute using football examples

In b4 "lol 32nd degree!"
In b4 "all truth..."

1. Bradford was more accomplished than Brady. Tebow has nothing to do with that.

2. Bradford was 236lbs at the combine. Brady was 211 after finishing the season at 199.

3. Bradford has a BIGGER arm than Brady. This is an undisputable fact no matter how much you reference Skip Bayless in a vacuum. I didn't call it a Matt Stafford/Cutler/etc arm or even a Peyton Manning arm, but it's stronger than Brady's. Period.

4. The way to attack ANY QB is to get physical with them, you buffoon.

5. Please try again. You're cute when you're angry :kiss:

Okay, despite my better judgment, I'm gonna try and wade through this massive pile of feces:



Because you're making a comparison between Brady and Bradford and Tebow has literally NOTHING to do with either's play style.

NOTHING.



What does that have to do with refuting your statement with the FACT that Sam is and was over 20 lbs bigger?



Okay.

Video starts out with a pretty OVER 60 yarder:

<iframe width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/I78tXfRDPso" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>



Dick Lebeau and his HoF career is lol'ing at you SO hard right now and JJ is rolling over in his grave.



Sure thing.

During the season when Bradford was "scrawny" he weighed 223 and he wasn't considered the "number one pick then".

In fact, one quick sentence of this article completely refutes EVERY point you're claiming in your post:

"For those NFL personnel people who were on the fence about Bradford because of his formerly 223-pound frame, wondering if he could take repeated hits in the pocket at that size, a more muscled Bradford could shake up the top of the draft board. "

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Bradford-s-weight-could-have-him-flying-up-the-b?urn=nfl-224453

Cliffs of post:
-Owned

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 02:24 PM
I think the failures of guys like Vick, Vince Young and Alex Smith hurt Tebow's stock coming into the NFL just like Tom Brady's success helped weenies like Sam Bradford and Orton...

Requiem
07-08-2011, 02:25 PM
MacGruder gets a comedy award from South Park Elementary.

oubronco
07-08-2011, 02:26 PM
MacGruder gets a comedy award from South Park Elementary.

You give him to much credit

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 02:26 PM
...response to WHAT?!?!?

You have NO point:

You left out all the comments I made you didn't respond too.. LMAO

I even JUST REITERATED it and you still wouldn't respond.

LMFAO

It destroys your entire argument...

And Colt McCoy had a great INDOOR pro day throwing the ball and he considered to have a weenie arm too..

DBroncos4life
07-08-2011, 02:27 PM
I think the failures of guys like Vick, Vicne Young and Alex Smith hurt Tebow's stock coming into the NFL juts like Tom Brady's success helped weenies like Sam Bradford and Orton...

Thank god for Brady otherwise Orton might have had to wait till the 4th round to be drafted....Orton was 6'4 233 coming out of college. Hilarious! what a weenie.

Kaylore
07-08-2011, 02:27 PM
I think the failures of guys like Vick, Vicne Young and Alex Smith hurt Tebow's stock coming into the NFL juts like Tom Brady's success helped weenies like Sam Bradford and Orton...

Vick's completely re-created his career. Certainly Tebow's lack of experience in a pro-style offense hurt his prospects, but that doesn't mean Tom Brady playing well in a pro offense made Tebow look bad and hurt his stock.

And lets be real here; he was still drafted in the first round.

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 02:28 PM
You left out all the comments I made you didn't respond too.. LMAO

I even JUST REITERATED it and you still wouldn't respond.

LMFAO

It destroys your entire argument...

And Colt McCoy had a great INDOOR pro day throwing the ball and he considered to have a weenie arm too..

WHAT ****ING COMMENTS?!?!?!?

I just relinked me responding to every single one of your FACTUALLY inaccurate and asinine comments!

So I repeat:

WHAT ****ING COMMENTS?!?!?

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 02:28 PM
Thank god for Brady otherwise Orton might have had to wait till the 4th round to be drafted....

Orton wasn't on a loaded team that overrated his abilities like Bradford.. if he was he would have been overrated for the same reasons.. because he looks like the next Tom Brady...

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 02:30 PM
Orton wasn't on a loaded team that overrated his abilities like Bradford.. if he was he would have been overrated for the same reasons.. because he looks like the next Tom Brady...

Oh Jesus Christ, I'm out

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/TheEndOfItAll/My%20GIFs%202/36efc1d2.gif

Shananahan
07-08-2011, 02:31 PM
Orton wasn't on a loaded team that overrated his abilities like Bradford.. if he was he would have been overrated for the same reasons.. because he looks like the next Tom Brady...
http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/4771/blownmind.jpg

DBroncos4life
07-08-2011, 02:31 PM
Oh Jesus Christ, I'm out

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/TheEndOfItAll/My%20GIFs%202/36efc1d2.gif

I think that did it for me as well :giggle:

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 02:31 PM
WHAT ****ING COMMENTS?!?!?!?

I just relinked me responding to every single one of your FACTUALLY inaccurate and asinine comments!

So I repeat:

WHAT ****ING COMMENTS?!?!?

None of those comments responded to my comment which refutes your entire stance..

Sam Bradford was considered the number one pick BEFORE he put weight on..

This is BECAUSE of Tom Brady.. it shows Bradford's stock was elevated because he looked like a Brady Clone.. and Brady was a 6th round pick.. the only difference was Bradford was on a loaded team facing weak D... the only reason Bradford got credit for that success was because Brady's NFL success with the same kind of tools..

I am NOT spelling this out for your dumb ass again. Respond or quit deluding yourself...

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 02:34 PM
I think that did it for me as well :giggle:

Yeah.. take your BS to the political board where it belongs...

Shananahan
07-08-2011, 02:34 PM
So, MacGruder, just out of masochistic curiosity..... where do you think Sam Bradford would have been drafted if Tom Brady didn't exist?

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 02:36 PM
http://i32.tinypic.com/fnapz.jpg

oubronco
07-08-2011, 02:37 PM
http://i32.tinypic.com/fnapz.jpg

Hilarious! :thumbs:

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 02:39 PM
So, MacGruder, just out of masochistic curiosity..... where do you think Sam Bradford would have been drafted if Tom Brady didn't exist?

Where was Matt Leinart drafted... At Least Leinart won 2 championships.. so he should be much lower than Leinart..

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 02:40 PM
http://i32.tinypic.com/fnapz.jpg

Still no answer.. LOL Surprise surprise...

serious hops
07-08-2011, 02:40 PM
Holy balls! What the hell do you guys feed this dude?


Hilarious!

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 02:42 PM
WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF


So any QB who is intelligent and successful in college (which almost will always mean that they're surrounded by quality teammates), and who plays in the spread (which btw spread more from college to NFL than vice versa), and who is white, and NOT Tebow-buff,

should automatically thank Lord Brady for paving his path to the NFL?? ?? ??

No.. they should thank Bill Bellichick.. Without Belli's genius protecting Brady he wouldn't be Brady.. and that is why Orton wasn't Brady and neither will Bradford be Brady...

s0phr0syne
07-08-2011, 02:43 PM
No.. they should thank Bill Bellichick.. Without Belli's genius protecting Brady he wouldn't be Brady.. and that is why Orton wasn't Brady and neither will Bradford be Brady...


Who should Brady thank?


Who should Belichick thank?


Standing on shoulders of giants and what not...

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 02:47 PM
Who should Brady thank?


Who should Belichick thank?


Standing on shoulders of giants and what not...

Brady should thank Belli.. McDaniels should thank Belli.. Belli doesn't need to thank anyone because he is a genius.

I will say this though.. Brady is a much better role player than Orton or Bradford. Orton and Bradford aren't even that...

The real star of Belli's teams are his offensive line and his defense..

This is WHY Bradford was so overrated.. because he filled that same role for OU.. an the OU O line was the star.

we saw the same thing with cam Newton last season.. he was the running QB version of Bradford because of the stellar Oline and run game at Auburn.

cmhargrove
07-08-2011, 03:11 PM
Brady should thank Belli.. McDaniels should thank Belli.. Belli doesn't need to thank anyone because he is a genius.

I will say this though.. Brady is a much better role player than Orton or Bradford. Orton and Bradford aren't even that...

The real star of Belli's teams are his offensive line and his defense..

This is WHY Bradford was so overrated.. because he filled that same role for OU.. an the OU O line was the star.

we saw the same thing with cam Newton last season.. he was the running QB version of Bradford because of the stellar Oline and run game at Auburn.

You understand that when you are the number one pick, that means your team was the very worst in the league the previous year, right?

The Rams barely missed the playoffs last year (granted in the worst division in football), but still from the worst team to the cusp of the playoffs. You think Bradford sucks?

oubronco
07-08-2011, 03:16 PM
You understand that when you are the number one pick, that means your team was the very worst in the league the previous year, right?

The Rams barely missed the playoffs last year (granted in the worst division in football), but still from the worst team to the cusp of the playoffs. You think Bradford sucks?

He is an idiot, but on another note went to the smash burger yesterday and it is good!

Shananahan
07-08-2011, 03:17 PM
I will admit to laughing out loud at, 'he was the running QB version of Bradford".

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 03:20 PM
You understand that when you are the number one pick, that means your team was the very worst in the league the previous year, right?

The Rams barely missed the playoffs last year (granted in the worst division in football), but still from the worst team to the cusp of the playoffs. You think Bradford sucks?


Yes.. I do think relative to how highly rated he is he sucks. He runs a gimmick offense. He wasn't the only one behind their turnaround.

He filled his role.. why don't people think there are gimmick offenses in the NFL? I have never understood this. People will immediately claim offenses are gimmicks in college but not the NFL..

I think Bradford fills his role well.. but take that stellar line away and run a different style offense and he is exposed. It's the same thing with Orton.. people think Orton is a good QB simply because he put up huge numbers last season.. yet Broncos fans are read t see him walk. How are Bradford and Orton any different? Bradford just had a slightly better team around him and was in a weaker division.

I don't think Orton, Bradford or Brady are conducive to playoff success without a genius like Bellichick and a team to carry them. Though Brady is far more capable than Orton and Bradford IMO.

Brady might have won against Tebow and the Gators with that team Bradford had.. just because Brady is clutch.. a clutch role player.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 03:20 PM
I will admit to laughing out loud at, 'he was the running QB version of Bradford".

Of course you did.. you are a biased Ahole...

That's what message boards are for after all right.. mocking people who don't share the same opinion as yourself.. Is that what the Masons teach? Or just one of them?

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 03:23 PM
He is an idiot, but on another note went to the smash burger yesterday and it is good!

Yeah.. right.. anyone that could think the STUD Bradford sucks has to be an idiot.. the guy who put up 60 on every garbage BIG12 defense but couldn't score against a SEC D to save his life...

Just like Colt MCCoy.. he was the winningest QB in college football history.. faces a SEC D and can't make it through the first quarter.. LOL

TheChamp24
07-08-2011, 03:30 PM
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll8xqwVIa31qf4ppj.gif

rugbythug
07-08-2011, 03:31 PM
So if in the history of the nfl before brady a mediocre armed smart qb was drafted high mcgruber is wrong.

rugbythug
07-08-2011, 03:34 PM
Pennington, Tim couch

broncocalijohn
07-08-2011, 03:36 PM
How can you even claim this when Tebow was said to be a bust?

Are you really this stupid?


You were talking about Brady and Bradford. Who said anything about the Tebow? Stay on topic dip**** and I would say try again but maybe you should just leave this thread. BTW, much better time when you were gone this last week or so.

TheChamp24
07-08-2011, 03:36 PM
Yeah.. right.. anyone that could think the STUD Bradford sucks has to be an idiot.. the guy who put up 60 on every garbage BIG12 defense but couldn't score against a SEC D to save his life...

Just like Colt MCCoy.. he was the winningest QB in college football history.. faces a SEC D and can't make it through the first quarter.. LOL

Its not like Sam Bradford has the record for highest passing efficiency in college football history or anything. Nooooo.
Oh, but thats because he faced weak teams such as:
Ranked Oklahoma State teams
Ranked Nebraska teams
Ranked Texas teams
Ranked Miami team
Ranked Cincinnati team

Bradford has pinpoint accuracy, smart, mobile, and has a good arm. THAT IS WHY HE WENT #1 NOT BECAUSE OF TOM FREAKIN BRADY!

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 03:38 PM
So if in the history of the nfl before brady a mediocre armed smart qb was drafted high mcgruber is wrong.\

False. Being biased prevents you from thinking..

In previous eras teams could get away with having unathletic weak armed QBs more. What makes Belli such a genius is that in this era he could make that work.. that is what his system does. It allows you to get away with this kind of QB... a 6th round pick.

But the secret is you have to be a defensive genius along with it.. this is why I think it was crazy to spend a number on pick on a position Belli got by with a 6th round pick. probably why Belli was not wanting to pay Brady so much too. Belli was also able to take Matt Cassell.. a lower round pick and parlay him into much more valuable assets using the same system. This is why I always thought Tebow would be such a big success under McD.. because Matt cassell looked so good in BElli's system...

schaaf
07-08-2011, 03:38 PM
Everybody Wang Chung Tonight???

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 03:41 PM
Its not like Sam Bradford has the record for highest passing efficiency in college football history or anything. Nooooo.
Oh, but thats because he faced weak teams such as:
Ranked Oklahoma State teams
Ranked Nebraska teams
Ranked Texas teams
Ranked Miami team
Ranked Cincinnati team

Bradford has pinpoint accuracy, smart, mobile, and has a good arm. THAT IS WHY HE WENT #1 NOT BECAUSE OF TOM FREAKIN BRADY!

All those teams were overrated playing in the weak Big12... The SEC is the only conference that has parity. And they are all elite caliber teams. This is why Bradford and McCoy were so overrated.. their teams were just as talented as a elite SEC team but unlike in the SEC all the other teams stink. This is why they put up such great numbers.. Bradfor would have been knocked just like McCoy if he wasn't a Tom Brady wannabe...

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 03:42 PM
You were talking about Brady and Bradford. Who said anything about the Tebow? Stay on topic dip**** and I would say try again but maybe you should just leave this thread. BTW, much better time when you were gone this last week or so.

You claim it's stupid to think there is some kind of bias (conspiracy).. and yet Tebow was mocked and derided for no reason whatsover... then you attack me..

DBroncos4life
07-08-2011, 03:47 PM
Yeah.. right.. anyone that could think the STUD Bradford sucks has to be an idiot.. the guy who put up 60 on every garbage BIG12 defense but couldn't score against a SEC D to save his life...

Just like Colt MCCoy.. he was the winningest QB in college football history.. faces a SEC D and can't make it through the first quarter.. LOL

The Husker D that McCoy played against in the B12 championship game was better then the one he faced in the NC game.

As for Bradford couldn't score against a SEC D to save his life, he went 26 for 41 completed 63% of his passes for 256 yards 2 TDs and 2 INT's the one time he played a SEC team.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 03:56 PM
The Husker D that McCoy played against in the B12 championship game was better then the one he faced in the NC game.

As for Bradford couldn't score against a SEC D to save his life, he went 26 for 41 completed 63% of his passes for 256 yards 2 TDs and 2 INT's the one time he played a SEC team.

Yeah.. compare those numbers against a SEC D to what he did in the BIG12.. not even CLOSE. He had as many interceptions in one game against a SEC D as he had that whole year..

The only thing the Husker D had was Suh.. and Suh would have just been another guy in the SEC... Let's see how he does playing his career in the SEC.. if he could have stayed healthy... same with Bradford and McCoy. We saw McCoy get injured constantly in the NFL too.

broncocalijohn
07-08-2011, 03:59 PM
You claim it's stupid to think there is some kind of bias (conspiracy).. and yet Tebow was mocked and derided for no reason whatsover... then you attack me..

You brought up Tebow, no one else did. You couldnt stay on topic. My aunt does this and it is because of a lifetime of drug use.
The bias had nothing to do with the media and brady/bradford. YOU brought up Tebow who wasn't mention in the discussion. It is obvious you have a hardon for Tebow since you came aboard the OrangeMane. SEC is your mothership and every other conference (especially the Big 12) is alien food. Your bias has gone overboard, MacGruber.

Gort
07-08-2011, 04:02 PM
You obviously didn't catch the debate he and Rev had on the history of anti-gravity technology.

don't laugh! the Chinese are all over that ****.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WrcTj5jClB8/TcBOPOfFqwI/AAAAAAAAAPQ/kdM2Hz2NCZA/s1600/anti-gravity_soldiers_jp70.jpg

;)

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 04:03 PM
Yeah.. compare those numbers against a SEC D to what he did in the BIG12.. not even CLOSE. He had as many interceptions in one game against a SEC D as he had that whole year..

The only thing the Husker D had was Suh.. and Suh would have just been another guy in the SEC... Let's see how he does playing his career in the SEC.. if he could have stayed healthy... same with Bradford and McCoy. We saw McCoy get injured constantly in the NFL too.

http://www.littlestuffedbull.com/images/comics/365hankmccoy/hankmccoy0318.jpg

BroncoLifer
07-08-2011, 04:12 PM
.... and Suh would have just been another guy in the SEC...

We're through the looking glass people!

Rabb
07-08-2011, 04:17 PM
you do realize, Suh pretty much dominated his first year in the NFL...right?

or would he have done worse in the SEC than the NFL, I am confused

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 04:20 PM
You brought up Tebow, no one else did. You couldnt stay on topic. My aunt does this and it is because of a lifetime of drug use.
The bias had nothing to do with the media and brady/bradford. YOU brought up Tebow who wasn't mention in the discussion. It is obvious you have a hardon for Tebow since you came aboard the OrangeMane. SEC is your mothership and every other conference (especially the Big 12) is alien food. Your bias has gone overboard, MacGruber.

WRONG... I am not an SEC guy. I just saw how great the SEC was compared to all other conferences. Look at their bowl record over the past few years.. they have completely dominated all of college football. They have won every championship over the past several years.

It's the people who are fans outside of the SEC who are deluding their self.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 04:22 PM
you do realize, Suh pretty much dominated his first year in the NFL...right?

or would he have done worse in the SEC than the NFL, I am confused

How far did Suh's domination get his team?

epicSocialism4tw
07-08-2011, 04:24 PM
Its not like Sam Bradford has the record for highest passing efficiency in college football history or anything. Nooooo.
Oh, but thats because he faced weak teams such as:
Ranked Oklahoma State teams
Ranked Nebraska teams
Ranked Texas teams
Ranked Miami team
Ranked Cincinnati team

Bradford has pinpoint accuracy, smart, mobile, and has a good arm. THAT IS WHY HE WENT #1 NOT BECAUSE OF TOM FREAKIN BRADY!

This guy thinks we don't understand his premise. His premise is that Tom Brady is the prototype for Sam Bradford. He supported that premise with a quote from Skip Bayless.

Maybe this really is MacGruber. MacGruber tries to think himself out of situations and ends up blowing up before he can figure it out. That sounds an awful lot like what has happened here.

Rabb
07-08-2011, 04:24 PM
How far did Suh's domination get his team?

are we switching arguments here...because I thought this was about Suh being talented on different teams/conferences

you said, he would be just another D lineman in the SEC...I am saying, he dominated and was much more than just another D lineman in the NFL

so I ask you, is the SEC more of a challenge than the NFL...or isn't it?

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 04:26 PM
Keep your head up, MacG!

Just remember bro, "all truth goes through 3 stages".

LOL

epicSocialism4tw
07-08-2011, 04:28 PM
Yeah.. compare those numbers against a SEC D to what he did in the BIG12.. not even CLOSE. He had as many interceptions in one game against a SEC D as he had that whole year..

The only thing the Husker D had was Suh.. and Suh would have just been another guy in the SEC... Let's see how he does playing his career in the SEC.. if he could have stayed healthy... same with Bradford and McCoy. We saw McCoy get injured constantly in the NFL too.

You forgot about that Prince guy. There was that Jared Crick dude too. None of those players are playing in the NFL are they?

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 04:28 PM
Keep your head up, MacG!

Just remember bro, "all truth goes through 3 stages".

LOL

You don't have permission to post Rev.. you still haven't responded to my comment...

Your whole argument went up in smoke...

Oh.. and maybe your little Freemasonry is good for something... all good things come in threes.. right..

epicSocialism4tw
07-08-2011, 04:30 PM
Keep your head up, MacG!

Just remember bro, "all truth goes through 3 stages".

This truth is going through the "adequately falsified" stage.

MacGruber is going through the "denial" stage.

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 04:33 PM
You don't have permission to post Rev.. you still haven't responded to my comment...

Your whole argument went up in smoke...

Oh.. and maybe your little Freemasonry is good for something... all good things come in threes.. right..

Sure I didn't

:oyvey:

http://orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3213172&postcount=190

...but seriously, just ignore me and keep going. You're doing great.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 04:33 PM
are we switching arguments here...because I thought this was about Suh being talented on different teams/conferences

you said, he would be just another D lineman in the SEC...I am saying, he dominated and was much more than just another D lineman in the NFL

so I ask you, is the SEC more of a challenge than the NFL...or isn't it?

YES>. the SEC IS tougher than the NFL...

Look at Tebow's running numbers.. he broke records rushing in his first game started in the NFL and was not considered a great running QB even in the SEC.

People said his running would not translate to the NFL either.. and he has looked better running in the NFL.

And Suh's putting up good individual performances in the NFL but it isn't affecting his team much. IF it was in the SEC teams would be taking him out of the game and daring others to beat them. They did the same to Tebow in the SEC.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 04:34 PM
Sure I didn't

:oyvey:

http://orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3213172&postcount=190

...but seriously, just ignore me and keep going. You're doing great.

Still no response.. LOL

YOU are doing great.

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 04:37 PM
YES>. the SEC IS tougher than the NFL...

Look at Tebow's running numbers.. he broke records rushing in his first game started in the NFL and was not considered a great running QB even in the SEC.

People said his running would not translate to the NFL either.. and he has looked better running in the NFL.

And Suh's putting up good individual performances in the NFL but it isn't affecting his team much. IF it was in the SEC teams would be taking him out of the game and daring others to beat them. They did the same to Tebow in the SEC.

Oh **** my life in half!

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Hilarious!

Hilarious!Hilarious!

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 04:41 PM
baja:

http://www.yourfunnystuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/trolling-meant-something.jpg

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 04:42 PM
Still no response from TheRev and he is mocking my comments.. at least I backup my comments.. he has a big bag of nothing...

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 04:49 PM
Still no response from TheRev and he is mocking my comments.. at least I backup my comments.. he has a big bag of nothing...

Once again, I factually supported EVERY thing I've said and dismantled every point of contention you've tried to make right here:

http://orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3213172&postcount=190

Since then all you've said:

1. Still no response! (which is bull**** because I responded to every absurd little claim in that link)

2. Suh wouldn't have been good in the SEC (which is utterly hilarious!)

3. The SEC > the NFL (which ALMOST made me piss my pants)

Why do you use this account anyway, baja? Miss talking to me that much?

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 04:52 PM
Dude.. just stringing some words together in response to my comments is NOT a real response.. I posted your response and it was something to the effect of "but whhhhyyyy?"....

I even repeated what I said and spelled it out for you and you STILL didn't respond..

And when I said SUH would be another guy I mean ELITE SEC D linemen.. but not the GOD everyone made him out to be because he came out of the BIG12.