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Blueflame
07-11-2011, 07:29 PM
Yeah, I think he just explained that.

Whatever. The IP evidence supports a conclusion that they are two different posters.

oubronco
07-11-2011, 07:30 PM
Conspiracy I say

DBroncos4life
07-11-2011, 07:39 PM
Whatever. The IP evidence supports a conclusion that they are two different posters.

Foxyproxy.

HAT
07-11-2011, 07:48 PM
Whatever. The IP evidence supports a conclusion that they are two different posters.

Not by any stretch of the imagination.....Regardless, I don't think they are the same poster.

Cut from the same wack job cloth, absolutely......

MacGruder
07-11-2011, 08:42 PM
Notice how all the weird TheRev supporters disappeared and now TheRev is back.. And claiming aliases again...

MagicHef
07-11-2011, 08:46 PM
I think everyone on this site is baja, including myself.

HAT
07-11-2011, 08:49 PM
Notice how all the weird TheRev supporters disappeared and now TheRev is back.. And claiming aliases again...

Look bro....Just because I ate a lobster once doesn't mean I'm Rev.

Actually.....MacGuano/Baja may have just given us a solid clue here. Someone go back and see if bajalito refers to Rev as 'TheRev'.

Boobs McGee
07-11-2011, 08:53 PM
Honestly man, just take a break. This is going from bad to worse in a hurry

MacGruder
07-11-2011, 09:03 PM
Yup.

And he refers to me as having "cronies" etc.

For years.

Jig's up.

Know what's funny? I honestly didn't think I could pity a human being more than I did baja when I put him on ignore... but today marks a new era.

It sounds like YOUR jig is up.. you are the one with the "Cronies for years"... I wondered why people were copying your actions like you are some messiah.. They ARE you...

What else would a petty person like this do with their time.. He is the one that started this nonsense in this thread in the first place as well.

DBroncos4life
07-11-2011, 09:10 PM
It sounds like YOUR jig is up.. you are the one with the "Cronies for years"... I wondered why people were copying your actions like you are some messiah.. They ARE you...

What else would a petty person like this do with their time.. He is the one that started this nonsense in this thread in the first place as well.

Ive been turning steal into dust way before TheReve was born.

IHaveALight
07-11-2011, 09:10 PM
That does it. Time to get the TSA involved in monitoring mane members.
Everyone prepare to get raped every time you log on.

HAT
07-11-2011, 09:12 PM
That does it. Time to get the TSA involved in monitoring mane members.
Everyone prepare to get raped every time you log on.

dragster's been doing that for years. ;D

Blueflame
07-11-2011, 09:13 PM
...and you absolutely have no preexisting bias in this potential scandal, right?

:rofl:

Maybe you should delete this thread since it's baja being made fun of again?

...Or did you just lock the last one? Refresh my memory?

Baja hasn't asked for... nor does he need... my assistance. And no, I have no bias whatsoever regarding this thread. One would have to have an opinion one way or the other before forming bias and I simply don't care. People will believe what they will.

Although I do acknowledge having a mental image of a naked guy with a stalk of celery up his butt whenever I see the username "MacGruber"...

GreatBronco16
07-11-2011, 09:14 PM
The IP addresses for Baja and for MacGruder do not match. FWIW.

It doesn't mean much actually. FWIW

GreatBronco16
07-11-2011, 09:15 PM
Baja hasn't asked for... nor does he need... my assistance. And no, I have no bias whatsoever regarding this thread. One would have to have an opinion one way or the other before forming bias and I simply don't care. People will believe what they will.

You sure it wasn't Baja under one of his other names? hmmmmmm;D

HAT
07-11-2011, 09:20 PM
Although I do acknowledge having a mental image of a naked guy with a stalk of celery up his butt whenever I see the username "MacGruber"...

BRB.....Off to the name change thread. !Booya!

DBroncos4life
07-11-2011, 09:25 PM
BRB.....Off to the name change thread. !Booya!

Please tell me she didn't change the thread.

Blueflame
07-11-2011, 09:26 PM
http://crunchbang.org/uploads/102307110452-beaker.jpg

You didn't see that movie? ;D At any rate, it makes it damn near impossible to take anything MacGruber posts seriously...

Dagmar
07-11-2011, 09:29 PM
900 freaking posts. Little did I know when I started this thread...

DBroncos4life
07-11-2011, 09:30 PM
Yup.

And he refers to me as having "cronies" etc.

For years.

Jig's up.

Know what's funny? I honestly didn't think I could pity a human being more than I did baja when I put him on ignore... but today marks a new era.

You are me since I was here first. ;D

Blueflame
07-11-2011, 09:31 PM
I did. Apparently it has been successfully blocked from my memory.

Some things (like naked guys with celery in their butts) can't be "unseen"... LOL

HAT
07-11-2011, 09:31 PM
Please tell me she didn't change the thread.

Haha....No, I meant the "Who changed their username thread".

HAT
07-11-2011, 09:33 PM
900 freaking posts. Little did I know when I started this thread...

Post more Rusty.....Post more!

broncocalijohn
07-11-2011, 09:39 PM
It sounds like YOUR jig is up.. you are the one with the "Cronies for years"... I wondered why people were copying your actions like you are some messiah.. They ARE you...

What else would a petty person like this do with their time.. He is the one that started this nonsense in this thread in the first place as well.

You have been here since Jan. of 2011 yet you can make that comment bolded?

That does it. Time to get the TSA involved in monitoring mane members.
Everyone prepare to get raped every time you log on.

Well they will have no problem cavity searching a 95 year old Baja.

MacGruder
07-11-2011, 09:39 PM
Baja hasn't asked for... nor does he need... my assistance. And no, I have no bias whatsoever regarding this thread. One would have to have an opinion one way or the other before forming bias and I simply don't care. People will believe what they will.

Although I do acknowledge having a mental image of a naked guy with a stalk of celery up his butt whenever I see the username "MacGruber"...

Imagine it as John Gruden with the celery.. in one of his QB interrogation sessions... even better...

MacGruder
07-11-2011, 09:40 PM
You have been here since Jan. of 2011 yet you can make that comment bolded?

He just said it... and I experienced the cronies first hand..

HAT
07-11-2011, 09:41 PM
You are me since I was here first. ;D

That's not what I said!!!!

HAT
07-11-2011, 09:46 PM
Well they will have no problem cavity searching a 95 year old Baja.

Yeah but....Will he bump his "What age were you when you had your best sex ever" thread after said cavity search?

I can see it now......."I'm 95 and thanks to a lifelong diet low in preservatives & aspartame, it was awesome!"

Archer81
07-11-2011, 09:54 PM
Yeah but....Will he bump his "What age were you when you had your best sex ever" thread after said cavity search?

I can see it now......."I'm 95 and thanks to a lifelong diet low in preservatives & aspartame, it was awesome!"


and nettie pots...


:Broncos:

DBroncos4life
07-11-2011, 10:11 PM
That's not what I said!!!! damn you for being first.

OABB
07-11-2011, 10:35 PM
Hof thread...

That One Guy
07-12-2011, 12:12 AM
After much too long spent looking into it (and wanting it to be true), I have to think Baja was just off his rocker. I don't think they're the same. If they are, he's putting more effort into it than I would've ever expected and he deserves to get away with it.

Cito Pelon
07-12-2011, 12:33 AM
He's not baja.

Of course MacGruder isn't baja.

But it's interesting to see who sucks Rev off.

DBroncos4life
07-12-2011, 01:11 AM
Of course MacGruder isn't baja.

But it's interesting to see who sucks Rev off.

Big fan of watching dudes get head are ya?

Cito Pelon
07-12-2011, 01:33 AM
Big fan of watching dudes get head are ya?

Only in a prosecutorially sort of way. Good shot, though.

DBroncos4life
07-12-2011, 01:34 AM
Only in a prosecutorially sort of way. Good shot, though.

I couldn't let that or this thread go ;D

Cito Pelon
07-12-2011, 01:49 AM
I couldn't let that or this thread go ;D

"A thread lost is often greater than a weevil." Confucius

McDman
07-12-2011, 08:14 AM
So I think Fox likes Tebow.

baja
07-12-2011, 08:27 AM
That is not what I said.

FAIL again

Here is you chance to witness "Herd Mentality" first hand.

Read from the quoted post above to this post you are reading now and you will see a perfect illustration of how "Herd Mentality", given some time, takes on a life of it's own. I especially enjoyed rev's responses. Dude if your head were any bigger you would be unable to drive do to being unable to fit your head behind the wheel.

From a well placed 7 word post the herd mentality became a raging river in a few short posts.

Try thinking for yourselves sometime soon, you'll love the experience.

Baja has another successful fishing trip. Just threw out a naked hook this time and filled the boat.

Are you being duped by in life my very clever people. I think you are ripe for it.....

Blessings,

baja

jhns
07-12-2011, 09:00 AM
Are you being duped by in life my very clever people.

Nice writing skills.

Rabb
07-12-2011, 09:03 AM
I never had (or have for that matter) anything against you baja...but this is pretty sad

Chris
07-12-2011, 09:31 AM
Does the naked hook involve some unzipping baja?

baja
07-12-2011, 09:47 AM
Does the naked hook involve some unzipping baja?

All I had to do was make one short post than could be taken many ways including me slipping up and posting with the wrong account. I knew many here would run with it (especially rev because he make the leap first a few days ago and we all know how very important it is to him to come off as clever ).

The lynch mod took over and I was hung without a shred of real evidence.

You all hung an innocent man, I am not McGruger. LOL

oubronco
07-12-2011, 09:50 AM
All I had to do was make one short post than could be taken many ways including me slipping up and posting with the wrong account. I knew many here would run with it (especially rev because he make the leap first a few days ago and we all know how very important it is to him to come off as clever ).

The lynch mod took over and I was hung without a shred of real evidence.

You all hung an innocent man, I am not McGruger. LOL

What about MacGoober?

worm
07-12-2011, 09:51 AM
All I had to do was make one short post than could be taken many ways including me slipping up and posting with the wrong account. I knew many here would run with it (especially rev because he make the leap first a few days ago and we all know how very important it is to him to come off as clever ).

The lynch mod took over and I was hung without a shred of real evidence.

You all hung an innocent man, I am not McGruger. LOL

So you are saying you are a troll and not a dual personality, nut job conspiracy theorist with horrendous football knowledge?

baja
07-12-2011, 09:52 AM
What about MacGoober?

Oh ya I'm definitely him.

I can't wait till you all find out I am rev too. ;D

baja
07-12-2011, 09:53 AM
So you are saying you are a troll and not a dual personality, nut job conspiracy theorist with horrendous football knowledge?

I am whatever you think I am.










To you...

baja
07-12-2011, 10:12 AM
The two are not mutually exclusive for him.

The best part is that his BEST spin for this is that he "intentionally" made us think he was MacGruder... because that makes sense... more of the baja standard of dishonesty and cowardice.

Thank God all senior citizens aren't this stupid and pathetic and that the ones that are have left the country.

So funny! It will be impossible for you to admit you were dubbed by your own desire to have guessed right. You will never except the truth, too threatening to your ego.

I'm the stupid guy that planned the whole game of Surviver to get YOU. I begged and borrowed points from other killed players to use against you to snatch victory from you grasp. I knew how important it was to your ego to win Surviver and show all how very clever you are. That's when you hate for me began. You're a trip dude. ;D

baja
07-12-2011, 10:14 AM
It's amusing to watch you build yourself up by attacking others. Pretty mushy ground you are standing on there rev.

My my where has the lynch mob gone? ;D

OABB
07-12-2011, 10:40 AM
It's amusing to watch you build yourself up by attacking others. Pretty mushy ground you are standing on there rev.

My my where has the lynch mob gone? ;D

I think we are sad that you are pretending like this was intentional. It's kind of gross.

GreatBronco16
07-12-2011, 10:44 AM
It's amusing to watch you build yourself up by attacking others. Pretty mushy ground you are standing on there rev.

My my where has the lynch mob gone? ;D


Well I'm at work LMAO at you.

rugbythug
07-12-2011, 10:45 AM
I think he wants tebow to start too.

Hey wait a second did I miss something?

baja
07-12-2011, 10:46 AM
I think we are sad that you are pretending like this was intentional. It's kind of gross.

I am telling you straight out I am not the poster known as McGruger yet you will choose to believe you collectively "discovered" the "truth'.

Interesting stuff.

When the thin veneer of society breaks down this human trate will cause things to become very ugly very fast. Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 10:46 AM
And the people who claimed conspiracies don't work just got suckered...

Ironic...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD25S5lWCzo

Please watch all parts of this video... to learn about Herd mentality..

alkemical
07-12-2011, 10:48 AM
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/book/images/Grasshopper.gif

= ZARATHUD'S ENLIGHTENMENT =

Before he became a hermit, Zarathud was a young Priest, and took great delight in making fools of his opponents in front of his followers.

One day Zarathud took his students to a pleasant pasture and there he confronted The Sacred Chao while She was contentedly grazing.

"Tell me, you dumb beast." demanded the Priest in his commanding voice, "why don't you do something worthwhile. What is your Purpose in Life, anyway?"

Munching the tasty grass, The Sacred Chao replied "MU".*

Upon hearing this, absolutely nobody was enlightened. Primarily because nobody could understand Chinese.

* "MU" is the Chinese ideogram for NO-THING

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/book/images/ContentedCow.gif

jhns
07-12-2011, 10:51 AM
And the people who claimed conspiracies don't work

What exactly does this mean?

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 11:00 AM
What exactly does this mean?

It means conspiracies do work.. people are suckers and incredibly easy to fool. It appears Baja just hosed you.. he gave you what you wanted to believe.. and you swallowed it hook line and sinker.

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 11:05 AM
That he's pathetic and still clinging to the "maybe I convinced them I'm not me!" ...but he's too dumb to realize they're even whining about the same thing now with "herd mentality" as "MacGruder" and "baja" have been for a dozen thread pages now.

So if Baja and I can prove that we are not the same person will you admit you were completely owned and you are a completely braindead and have no life and would make an ideal candidate for a Heaven['s Gate style cult?

alkemical
07-12-2011, 11:07 AM
So if Baja and I can prove that we are not the same person will you admit you were completely owned and you are a completely braindead and have no life and would make an ideal candidate for a Heaven['s Gate style cult?

Here's the fact of all this:

there's no proof that you and baja could provide that would make anyone believe any different.

jhns
07-12-2011, 11:10 AM
It means conspiracies do work.. people are suckers and incredibly easy to fool. It appears Baja just hosed you.. he gave you what you wanted to believe.. and you swallowed it hook line and sinker.

Baja hosed me with a conspiracy? Interesting. Can you show me where this happened?

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 11:12 AM
Baja hosed me with a conspiracy? Interesting. Can you show me where this happened?

If you weren't part of it then you are exempt.. I have seen you following the herd in this thread though..

It was the figurative YOU

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 11:14 AM
Here's the fact of all this:

there's no proof that you and baja could provide that would make anyone believe any different.

Actually I think there is some way I could provide pretty decent proof we are not the same person...

To reasonable people that is..

OABB
07-12-2011, 11:17 AM
If you weren't part of it then you are exempt.. I have seen you following the herd in this thread though..

It was the figurative YOU

Is it herd mentality when, lets say, someone is incredibly wrong and everyone clearly sees it?

If so, herd mentality has saved this world many times over.

OABB
07-12-2011, 11:19 AM
Actually I think there is some way I could provide pretty decent proof we are not the same person...

To reasonable people that is..

The fact thay baja isnt smart enough to play someone so stupid is enough for me. i think he just typed what he said accidently and now is trying to pretend it was part of some lesson.

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 11:21 AM
Is it herd mentality when, lets say, someone is incredibly wrong and everyone clearly sees it?

If so, herd mentality has saved this world many times over.

No.. because "everyone" is usually wrong.... the majority is usually behind the minority that actually knows what is going on.

Why do you think someone has to be proved right or wrong? Why not just take opinions and consider them...

jhns
07-12-2011, 11:32 AM
If you weren't part of it then you are exempt.. I have seen you following the herd in this thread though..

It was the figurative YOU

What a horrible answer. It is sad that so many lack an education in a country that makes it so easy to get one.

That One Guy
07-12-2011, 11:33 AM
Here is you chance to witness "Herd Mentality" first hand.

Read from the quoted post above to this post you are reading now and you will see a perfect illustration of how "Herd Mentality", given some time, takes on a life of it's own. I especially enjoyed rev's responses. Dude if your head were any bigger you would be unable to drive do to being unable to fit your head behind the wheel.

From a well placed 7 word post the herd mentality became a raging river in a few short posts.

Try thinking for yourselves sometime soon, you'll love the experience.

Baja has another successful fishing trip. Just threw out a naked hook this time and filled the boat.

Are you being duped by in life my very clever people. I think you are ripe for it.....

Blessings,

baja

Keep in mind, Baja, that it DID look quite convincing at first glance that you responded under a wrong username. It's hardly everyone just jumping on Rev's lobster and riding along. To say you did this as a deliberate attempt to get them riled up is silly.

OABB
07-12-2011, 11:36 AM
No.. because "everyone" is usually wrong.... the majority is usually behind the minority that actually knows what is going on.

Why do you think someone has to be proved right or wrong? Why not just take opinions and consider them...

That is what I do. thats why i have been making fun of you. you have stupid opinions sometimes (which is fine, i loved mcd!) and you wont admit it. i can admit it. You are the type that i cant stand because instead of being open to being wrong, you hide behind a psuedo.intellectual shell and fiegned superiority when you are clearly not superior or intelligent.

baja
07-12-2011, 11:36 AM
The fact thay baja isnt smart enough to play someone so stupid is enough for me. i think he just typed what he said accidently and now is trying to pretend it was part of some lesson.

Not a lesson but an example. For it to be a lesson you would have had to learn something and clearly you have not. ;D

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 11:37 AM
What a horrible answer. It is sad that so many lack an education in a country that makes it so easy to get one.

You didn't get it...

You are another mindless herder..

When are people going to learn that everyone doesn't have to be the same or fit into the same cookie cutter pattern..

It's you that needs to be educated.. small mindedness...

OABB
07-12-2011, 11:40 AM
Not a lesson but an example. For it to be a lesson you would have had to learn something and clearly you have not. ;D

Not true. Intent is the important thing here. I have intentionally done things to teach a lesson and paid the price here. The difference is that when i did it it was calculated and my intent was clear. You may have stumbled on to a good point, but to pretend that this was all planned is gross. And Lame.

Rabb
07-12-2011, 11:42 AM
there is no way TJ isn't involved with this as well...it's either blatant trolling, multiple accounts or he is aware of it for some off season traffic

either way, it's really effing sad

baja
07-12-2011, 11:45 AM
Not true. Intent is the imortant thing here. I have intentionally done things to teach a lesson and paid the price here. The difference is that when i did it it was calculated and my intent was clear. You may have stumbled on to a good point, <b>but to pretend that this was all planned is gross. And Lame.

Ha It's not that hard but think as will.

It was exactly my plan and you all took it hook line and sinker.

Opps I just used the same phrase as MacGruger, have I messed up again?

broncocalijohn
07-12-2011, 11:45 AM
And the people who claimed conspiracies don't work just got suckered...

Ironic...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD25S5lWCzo

Please watch all parts of this video... to learn about Herd mentality..

I thought posters putting up cute videos and pictures is part of the herd mentality. Now you are doing it?

baja
07-12-2011, 11:46 AM
there is no way TJ isn't involved with this as well...it's either blatant trolling, multiple accounts or he is aware of it for some off season traffic

either way, it's really effing sad

Ah the conspiracy deepens.... LOL

OABB
07-12-2011, 11:48 AM
Ha It's not that hard but think as will.

It was exactly my plan and you all took it hook line and sinker.

Opps I just used the same phrase as MacGruger, have I messed up again?

Where did i take it? i never said that. there you go again with that herd mentality...twice in 24 hours you have accused me of a falsehood.

Perhaps you shoukd start practicing what you preach?

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 11:48 AM
I thought posters putting up cute videos and pictures is part of the herd mentality. Now you are doing it?

No.. mindless funny videos and pictures that any monkey could choose from for any situation...

A monkey would not be able to tell the real info from the disinfo..


A monkey would post a clip from Tropic Thunder rather than actually focus on what is important..

That One Guy
07-12-2011, 11:51 AM
Just for a quick rundown on why I came to the conclusion that Baja and MacGoob aren't the same.

No real correlation in post counts. On days when MacBoob never posted, Baja has 10-15 posts. On days when MacLube went off for 125+, Baja still has 10-15 posts.

MacNewb uses periods everywhere. That's usually a subconscious typing thing that symbolizes a break in thought or something when people use them like that. Pull up his recent posts and look at how many use ellipses in completely random, useless spots - oftentimes just instead of periods. Then pull up Baja's and compare. Baja has more concise posts, to the point, and uses punctuation fairly accurately (though his spelling sometimes leaves much to be desired).

Then, consider the content of the posts. Baja has mentioned a couple times his mother. MacGruder made a reference only in his posts where he was talking about his dad seeing the spaceship back in the day. In that regard, the two just seem to come across as having a different sentiment towards the parents.

Finally, MacGruder makes reference to his father working(ING) at Boeing and having been in HS in the late 60s. The timeline for the entire "my dad saw a spaceship" thread fits that very reasonably. Baja, meanwhile, was most likely either out of HS or about to graduate in the late 60s as well. The whole spaceship story was too intricate to just be a total fabrication made up on a whim.

Finally, just the things they know about are different. Baja thinks people can live on sunshine and fresh air while Mac is trying to draw us schematics on anti-gravity. I've never seen Baja show a technical prowess even remotely comparable to what MacGruder uses.

It just doesn't work out.

Oh, and the infamous "Baja gets outed post"... MacGruder had already responded to that exact same post 20 minutes earlier. Unless there's something wrong in Baja's noggin, it wouldn't take him 20 minutes to come up with what amounts to an impulsive response and forget that he's logged into the wrong account (and forget he already responded so he'd look goofy responding to it again).

broncocalijohn
07-12-2011, 11:52 AM
No.. because "everyone" is usually wrong.... the majority is usually behind the minority that actually knows what is going on.

Why do you think someone has to be proved right or wrong? Why not just take opinions and consider them...

I know what you are saying here. Perfect example of minority (Nazi Germany) being correct over the majority (most of the World)?

jhns
07-12-2011, 11:55 AM
You didn't get it...

You are another mindless herder..

When are people going to learn that everyone doesn't have to be the same or fit into the same cookie cutter pattern..

It's you that needs to be educated.. small mindedness...

You keep making claims that you aren't able to back. This is only proving my point...

It is never too late. You can go back to school at any time. Don't be afraid to better yourself.

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 11:55 AM
I know what you are saying here. Perfect example of minority (Nazi Germany) being correct over the majority (most of the World)?

That makes absolutely no sense.. I am not saying a fascist dictatorship needs to be in place.. but people need to recognize just because the minority believes something doesn't mean they are right.. I was never the one that said I MYSELF was definitely right. I am saying don't lynch people because they disagree with the majority because they could be right.

broncocalijohn
07-12-2011, 11:56 AM
The Mane would have been better with just one and not two of these guys. I would take Baja anyday of the week of MacGruber. Some would rather have none of the above but I have never seen a brick like MacGruber ever at the Mane (even though Spider can be one and does it to perfection).

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 11:57 AM
You keep making claims that you aren't able to back. This is only proving my point...

It is never too late. You can go back to school at any time. Don't be afraid to better yourself.

You show your own ignorance by saying what you are saying... if you knew many intelligent and creative people you would understand the error in your thinking..

That One Guy
07-12-2011, 12:03 PM
The Mane would have been better with just one and not two of these guys. I would take Baja anyday of the week of MacGruber. Some would rather have none of the above but I have never seen a brick like MacGruber ever at the Mane (even though Spider can be one and does it to perfection).

The baja of yesteryear? Absolutely. The aggressive, irritable baja of late? Maybe not.

I'd take Mac over baja and Gaff every day of the week. Mac is a conspiracy nut but won't force it down your throat and throw the personal jabs that the other two will.

DHallblows
07-12-2011, 12:04 PM
That makes absolutely no sense.. I am not saying a fascist dictatorship needs to be in place.. but people need to recognize just because the minority believes something doesn't mean they are right.. I was never the one that said I MYSELF was definitely right. I am saying don't lynch people because they disagree with the majority because they could be right.

But the majority is a herd following the minority. You're ****ing retarded.

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 12:07 PM
But the majority is a herd following the minority. You're ****ing retarded.

Don't just follow ONE person, idiot.. LOL

I can'y believe I need to explain this to people..

I am saying listen to everyone.. don't just listen to one person or one group.. USE YOUR OWN MIND.

Don't assume someone is wrong because they aren't following the one person you are..

55CrushEm
07-12-2011, 12:09 PM
No.. mindless funny videos and pictures that any monkey could choose from for any situation...

A monkey would not be able to tell the real info from the disinfo..


A monkey would post a clip from Tropic Thunder rather than actually focus on what is important..

I like funny monkey videos......

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MacGruder
07-12-2011, 12:14 PM
Just for a quick rundown on why I came to the conclusion that Baja and MacGoob aren't the same.



You are a very intelligent guy.. I hope you look into the info I have mentioned because I think a level headed guy like yourself would see what is going on if you look into all this deeply.

I could use someone like you to help sort through all this. The more people sorting through it the more likely we discover where all this is leading and how to fight it.

TDmvp
07-12-2011, 12:17 PM
You are a very intelligent guy.. I hope you look into the info I have mentioned because I think a level headed guy like yourself would see what is going on if you look into all this deeply.

I could use someone like you to help sort through all this. The more people sorting through it the more likely we discover where all this is leading and how to fight it.

Hilarious!

OABB
07-12-2011, 12:17 PM
You are a very intelligent guy.. I hope you look into the info I have mentioned because I think a level headed guy like yourself would see what is going on if you look into all this deeply.

I could use someone like you to help sort through all this. The more people sorting through it the more likely we discover where all this is leading and how to fight it.

Not to speak for that one guy(who may be the most level headed and objective poster on tbis sight, certainly a favorite of mine), but why would he waste his time helping someone who cant even speak clearly? perhaps you should be asking what you coukd do for him.

OABB
07-12-2011, 12:18 PM
I suck at.smartphone typing...

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 12:19 PM
All truth goes through three phases..

First it is ridiculed

Second it is violently opposed

third it is accepted as self evident


They laughed as cold fusion just like that 20 years ago.. no it is being proven to be real.. Imagine if they had taken it seriously then...

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 12:22 PM
Not to speak for that one guy(who may be the most level headed and objective poster on tbis sight, certainly a favorite of mine), but why would he waste his time helping someone who cant even speak clearly? perhaps you should be asking what you coukd do for him.

Have you ever heard of the phrase throwing the baby out with the bath water?

DHallblows
07-12-2011, 12:22 PM
Now now champ, nice try. Here is what you're saying...


You start with one specific, dumb statement:
No.. because "everyone" is usually wrong.... the majority is usually behind the minority that actually knows what is going on.

Why do you think someone has to be proved right or wrong? Why not just take opinions and consider them...


Then someone points out your hyperbole:
I know what you are saying here. Perfect example of minority (Nazi Germany) being correct over the majority (most of the World)?


Then you tweak your stance to make your original statement look less stupid:
That makes absolutely no sense.. I am not saying a fascist dictatorship needs to be in place.. but people need to recognize just because the minority believes something doesn't mean they are right.. I was never the one that said I MYSELF was definitely right. I am saying don't lynch people because they disagree with the majority because they could be right.


Then someone points out that you have contradicted yourself:
But the majority is a herd following the minority. You're ****ing retarded.


So you modify your already tweaked, original statement another time:
Don't just follow ONE person, idiot.. LOL

I can'y believe I need to explain this to people..

I am saying listen to everyone.. don't just listen to one person or one group.. USE YOUR OWN MIND.

Don't assume someone is wrong because they aren't following the one person you are..


Then I point out the progression of your opinion somehow changing with time and I win.

OABB
07-12-2011, 12:22 PM
You arent cold fusion, bro. Things that become true, that make it through ridicuke have to at least be smart.

Your dumb theories are ridiculed because they are, in fact, deserving of ridicule.

Dont you get it?

OABB
07-12-2011, 12:25 PM
Now now champ, nice try. Here is what you're saying...


You start with one specific, dumb statement:



Then someone points out your hyperbole:



Then you tweak your stance to make your original statement look less stupid:



Then someone points out that you have contradicted yourself:



So you modify your already tweaked, original statement another time:



Then I point out the progression of your opinion somehow changing with time and I win.


Like i said...the truth that he is stupid is still in phase one in his head. Next will be violent oppisiton and than finally he wilk see.

jhns
07-12-2011, 12:25 PM
You show your own ignorance by saying what you are saying... if you knew many intelligent and creative people you would understand the error in your thinking..

You, again, are not making any sense. Go back to school. You need it.

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 12:25 PM
Now now champ, nice try. Here is what you're saying...


You start with one specific, dumb statement:



Then someone points out your hyperbole:



Then you tweak your stance to make your original statement look less stupid:



Then someone points out that you have contradicted yourself:



So you modify your already tweaked, original statement another time:



Then I point out the progression of your opinion somehow changing with time and I win.

You are wrong.. because none of the things I said are mutually exclusive.. You can do more than one thing at a time..

One person can be more right than the majority but that doesn't mean they are right about everything...

Again. I can't believe I need to explain this stuff.. it should be self explanatory...

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 12:26 PM
You, again, are not making any sense. Go back to school. You need it.

You are a left-brained simpleton.

jhns
07-12-2011, 12:29 PM
You are a left-brained simpleton.

I am superior to you in every way.

broncocalijohn
07-12-2011, 12:29 PM
Now we are away from his horrible takes in football and are in his favorite territory; Himself and me vs the world mentality.

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 12:29 PM
You arent cold fusion, bro. Things that become true, that make it through ridicuke have to at least be smart.

Your dumb theories are ridiculed because they are, in fact, deserving of ridicule.

Dont you get it?

But see.. YOU don't get it.. that is the entire POINT of the quote.. because people never know what is and isn't TRUTH. If they did they would never mock the actual truth along with things that are wrong. Just because something sounds ridiculous doesn't mean it is.. that attitude is what slows progress down so much.

DHallblows
07-12-2011, 12:30 PM
You are wrong.. because none of the things I said are mutually exclusive.. You can do more than one thing at a time..

One person can be more right than the majority but that doesn't mean they are right about everything...

Again. I can't believe I need to explain this stuff.. it should be self explanatory...

Well obviously. If anything they are mutually inclusive...because each is a new, updated form of your original opinion

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 12:31 PM
I am superior to you in every way.

Why? Because you are a punctuation and grammar nazi? LOL I can tell by your posting what a big zero you are... All the schooling in the world won't change that..

No soup for you!

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 12:33 PM
Well obviously. If anything they are mutually inclusive...because each is a new, updated form of your original opinion

No they are not.. that is the point... I didn't say the SAME minority was always right.. I said the minority.. not the majority..

And I never said to blindly follow anyone.. your pea brain can't join these together without someone explaining it to you..

That is probably why you are a herder...

TDmvp
07-12-2011, 12:34 PM
You are a left-brained simpleton.


Proving once again you know little about most ...


Left brained people.

When a person devolpes a dominance toward one side of their brain, they tend to have certain characteristics and areas of intest in common. The left side of the brain is often thought of as the logical, thinking side. Also, people of left brain dominance tend to choose similar occupations.
Below is a list of things that left brained people are good at or they like and things that are done in the left brain.

Good at math
Like to read
Very Logical
Prefer Classical Music
Usually rational
Good at algebra
Almost never absent minded

Here are some occupations that are USUALLY fufilled by a left-brained person. (There are always exceptions)

Lab scientist
Banker
Judge
Lawyer
Mathematician



I think you ment to say RIGHT brained because it's normally the side linked to being dingy or absent minded ...

That One Guy
07-12-2011, 12:35 PM
But see.. YOU don't get it.. that is the entire POINT of the quote.. because people never know what is and isn't TRUTH. If they did they would never mock the actual truth along with things that are wrong. Just because something sounds ridiculous doesn't mean it is.. that attitude is what slows progress down so much.

No, conspiracy theorists that sling massive quantities of poo and hope to be right (but rarely are) slows the process. You have the misfortune of coming to a place where the walls are already marked with Gaff's poo. We should've been in Nuclear War #4 by now according to Gaff's predictions yet here I am, fingering my belly button as usual. When you introduce a radical concept, you have to have enough evidence to overcome the traditional thought process on a given subject. Instead, you come in with anecdotal (or worse) accounts and cliches like "Take off the blinders!" and expect that to be weight enough to turn the world upside down.

The only ones who can regularly be convinced seem to be the ones who, for ego purposes, seem to want to be part of the enlightened club. They want to think they know what's going on while all the simpletons around them are left in the dark. They want so badly to believe that they're willing to cast out a mountain of conventional thought for a pebble's worth of new evidence.

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 12:40 PM
Proving once again you know little about most ...


Left brained people.

When a person devolpes a dominance toward one side of their brain, they tend to have certain characteristics and areas of intest in common. The left side of the brain is often thought of as the logical, thinking side. Also, people of left brain dominance tend to choose similar occupations.
Above are just some things associated with the left cerebal hemisphere of the brain. People who are left brain dominant are usually good with these things. Below is a list of things that left brained people are good at or they like and things that are done in the left brain.

Good at math
Like to read
Very Logical
Prefer Classical Music
Usually rational
Good at algebra
Almost never absent minded

Here are some occupations that are USUALLY fufilled by a left-brained person. (There are always exceptions)

Lab scientist
Banker
Judge
Lawyer
Mathematician



I think you ment to say RIGHT brained because it's normally the side linked to being dingy or absent minded ...

No.. I was dead on.. I have researched this subject a lot. A grammar nazi is going to be a left brained person..

Did you know that left brain dominant people will LIE to themselves to create order in their own minds? if they don't know the answer to something they will LIE to themselves in order to remove that lack of knowledge. When you understand this you will understand WHY our society is so F'ed up.. We live in a left brain world.

Right brain people see the big picture and see things as they actually ARE. They are intuitive and see patterns.. make creative leaps that the left cannot because they are mired in convention and rigid structure..

Einstein was extremely right brain dominant..

Which was why he could do what no other scientists of his time could do...

vancejohnson82
07-12-2011, 12:40 PM
This definitely isn't where I parked my car

DHallblows
07-12-2011, 12:40 PM
No they are not.. that is the point... I didn't say the SAME minority was always right.. I said the minority.. not the majority..

And I never said to blindly follow anyone.. your pea brain can't join these together without someone explaining it to you..

That is probably why you are a herder...

1. I never said otherwise. 2. Again, that was not the point of your original post. But another nice change of your opinion to fit your current arguing needs.

By the way, I can think you're a crazy person without being a herder.

DBroncos4life
07-12-2011, 12:42 PM
I gotta give some credit to baja, he actually did lay down enough smoke screen to suck you guys back in...

So true.... Ha!

jhns
07-12-2011, 12:46 PM
Why? Because you are a punctuation and grammar nazi? LOL I can tell by your posting what a big zero you are... All the schooling in the world won't change that..

No soup for you!

I haven't said anything about punctuation or grammar. To the uneducated, this makes me a grammar nazi. In reality, the uneducated are just self conscious about their poor English skills.

It must suck knowing that a big zero is so much better than you.

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 12:46 PM
No, conspiracy theorists that sling massive quantities of poo and hope to be right (but rarely are) slows the process. You have the misfortune of coming to a place where the walls are already marked with Gaff's poo. We should've been in Nuclear War #4 by now according to Gaff's predictions yet here I am, fingering my belly button as usual. When you introduce a radical concept, you have to have enough evidence to overcome the traditional thought process on a given subject. Instead, you come in with anecdotal (or worse) accounts and cliches like "Take off the blinders!" and expect that to be weight enough to turn the world upside down.

The only ones who can regularly be convinced seem to be the ones who, for ego purposes, seem to want to be part of the enlightened club. They want to think they know what's going on while all the simpletons around them are left in the dark. They want so badly to believe that they're willing to cast out a mountain of conventional thought for a pebble's worth of new evidence.

I'm not in that club.. I have said repeatedly that I was not a conspiracy theorist.. it took an INCREDIBLE chain of events to allow me to see what is going on (partially). I repeatedly say that I don't blame people for not beliving it... I doubt I would believe it if I was in your shoes. I think it makes things even harder for people when they don't have knowledge of science.

I am not trained but it is something I have had a very very strong interest in my whole life. I think I may be more passionate about it than many who are trained.. I think that is what kept me from making it a career believe it or not.. but that is a long story,.

The other problem is that to see what is going on you have to really dig into this.. read books etc.. So I know people are unlikely to believe it and do that research.. but I try to find ways that might spark them.

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 12:54 PM
It figures TheRev would get 999...

Masonic numerology... This thread is probably some kind of masonic sacrifice to his coven or whatever the hell they call themselves..

Dagmar
07-12-2011, 12:56 PM
http://www.gifsoup.com/view/159596/loud-noises-o.gif

TDmvp
07-12-2011, 12:59 PM
Damn those Masons and Shriners for their burn hospitals , charity work , silly little parade cars and funny hats ...

I knew all that had to be some sorta cover and they was really monsters...

The Masons in my town help fund a homeless shelter by doing little dinners and music events... Pure evil...


Edit: /sarcasm for those slower members .

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 01:05 PM
Damn those Masons and Shriners for their burn hospitals , charity work , silly little parade cars and funny hats ...

I knew all that had to be some sorta cover and they was really monsters...

The Masons in my town help fund a homeless shelter by doing little dinners and music events... Pure evil...


Edit: /sarcasm for those slower members .


The US sends food to foreign countries and bombs them at the same time.. do you know how many presidents and politicians are Freemasons or connected to Freemasonry?

Noticing a theme here?

It's like our government creating the image that Americans are fat, dumb, happy and idealistic and then internally they are as ruthless as imaginable..

bowtown
07-12-2011, 01:08 PM
Mexico must be really boring.

DBroncos4life
07-12-2011, 01:14 PM
ok baja

We are still doing the virgin sacrifice tonight to please the US government weather machine tonight right?

GreatBronco16
07-12-2011, 01:34 PM
We are still doing the virgin sacrifice tonight to please the US government weather machine tonight right?

Damn I forgot. Was it at 8 or 9 tonight?

DBroncos4life
07-12-2011, 01:37 PM
Damn I forgot. Was it at 8 or 9 tonight?

8 o'clock, I want to have my head in the sand by 10 tonight.

DBroncos4life
07-12-2011, 02:23 PM
I think I can make it, but I have a Masonic virgin sacrifice at 6 that MAY run late and I need to be done in time to help start the next conspiracy with the new Ground Zero design late this evening while paying off the FDA with checks from "Big Aspartame". Oh, and I need to traffic weapons to Mexico in exchange for drugs because that toilet of a country is all our fault.

Fortunately I have a super sonic anti gravity vehicle, so I think I can cram it all in.

Damn that is a busy day :)

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 02:36 PM
You "guys" are giving too much away about yourselves.. you are obviously comedy writers by this incredibly witty patter...

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 03:00 PM
Now imagine the above attempt by TheRev if he actually had some talent or creativity...

It's so amazing how people with talent make something look so easy... then you see someone without talent try it and it looks like the hardest thing in the world.. lol

OABB
07-12-2011, 03:07 PM
macruder just walks right into them.

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 03:08 PM
figures... the rev even trying to take credit for some talentless hacks work....

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 03:11 PM
macruder just walks right into them.

How is that me walking into something? The rev plagarizing someones lame idea because he can't even come up with his own stuff? It's the equivalent of posting tired pics and vids and acting like he is funny...

But he's a follower.. we know that.. why else would you join the Masons?

GreatBronco16
07-12-2011, 03:14 PM
But he's a follower.. we know that.. why else would you join the Masons?


But I thought you said he was our leader? So he follows then leads?

Make up your mind.

DBroncos4life
07-12-2011, 03:15 PM
How is that me walking into something? The rev plagarizing someones lame idea because he can't even come up with his own stuff? It's the equivalent of posting tired pics and vids and acting like he is funny...

But he's a follower.. we know that.. why else would you join the Masons?

where else can you kill virgins and not get in trouble?

GreatBronco16
07-12-2011, 03:16 PM
where else can you kill virgins and not get in trouble?

Florida.

DBroncos4life
07-12-2011, 03:17 PM
But I thought you said he was our leader? So he follows then leads?

Make up your mind.

The night time is the right time. The streets will flow of with the blood of the nonbelievers.

DBroncos4life
07-12-2011, 03:18 PM
Florida.

ZING!

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 03:20 PM
But I thought you said he was our leader? So he follows then leads?

Make up your mind.

I didn't say he was a real leader.. I said he was YOUR leader.. You are all followers...

A DISCKtator isn't a true leader anyway.. they lead by intimidation.. sound familiar...

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 03:22 PM
To help people and strengthen communities?

Novel concept I know...

Your idea of helping the modern world is to concoct conspiracies and complain about them on NFL football forums while running away to Mexico.

My idea of helping the modern world is to actually do something about it.

Go figure.

The greatest evils are done under the guise of "helping"....

It's all about power, control and rationalization..

GreatBronco16
07-12-2011, 03:27 PM
I didn't say he was a real leader.. I said he was YOUR leader.. You are all followers...

A DISCKtator isn't a true leader anyway.. they lead by intimidation.. sound familiar...

Ohhhhhhh, so when he's not a follower, he's MY leader, is that correct?


So who's the leader with your clan? You or Baja?

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 03:28 PM
Yup.

Burn hospitals, college scholarships, feeding the needy, etc

Some really great and sinister evils...

That would be fine if that was ALL taht was done... I am sure people do these things and then it's a justification for doing other things because they feel they have the right.. they are "good" people who know what's best for everyone... They' earned it.. They are special..

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 03:30 PM
Ohhhhhhh, so when he's not a follower, he's MY leader, is that correct?


So who's the leader with your clan? You or Baja?

Look at the military.. they have "leaders" who are followers..

No leader of me.. I don't blindly follow people and I'm not easily intimidated..

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 03:34 PM
...then why did you run away to Mexico again?

Because I heard they had good lobster in Rosarito...

GreatBronco16
07-12-2011, 03:36 PM
Look at the military.. they have "leaders" who are followers..

No leader of me.. I don't blindly follow people and I'm not easily intimidated..

You just blindly follow the conspiricy theory crowd.

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 03:54 PM
You just blindly follow the conspiricy theory crowd.

No.. because the conspiracy theory crowd is convinced the government is hiding aliens.. that's the problem. That is why disinfo is so effective..

When my dad saw what he did I din't believe it was aliens or the government.. I didn't believe the government could keep the tech secret so long...

But then something major happened and it made me realize that it really wasn't a secret.. because everyone was aware of it.. And the reason no one had developed it is because they are actively suppressing education and technology and they have tied the concept of aliens and antigravity together so tightly no one takes it seriously. You can discredit a theory or subject just like you can discredit a person.. a smear campaign..

DHallblows
07-12-2011, 04:04 PM
I didn't say he was a real leader.. I said he was YOUR leader.. You are all followers...

A DISCKtator isn't a true leader anyway.. they lead by intimidation.. sound familiar...

SEE?! Every other goddamn thing you post is an explanation of your piss-poor post right before it.
You need to either: 1. Type out your thoughts better or 2. Somehow become smarter in your minuscule time left on this planet

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 04:10 PM
SEE?! Every other goddamn thing you post is an explanation of your piss-poor post right before it.
You need to either: 1. Type out your thoughts better or 2. Somehow become smarter in your minuscule time left on this planet

So it's my fault I have to explain everything to you? I only had to explain it because when I called TheRev YOUR leader you took that to mean that I said he was A leader.. there is a big difference there...as I said.. a dictator isn't a true leader.. they are a ruler..

Napolean complex.. sound familiar..

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 04:11 PM
Never change.

Stay gold, pony boy

In your case it's piss yellow tho

ozomulsion
07-12-2011, 04:26 PM
This thread is amazing.

The Sam Bradford was a No.1 pick because of Tom Brady was
followed by Big East > NFL.

At that point it was obvious the guy is either a troll, or a tad bit
whacky.

Neither of which will go anywhere by attempting to have a
reasonable discussion.

Yet we're over a 1000 posts, and counting. I don't get it.

Punisher
07-12-2011, 04:31 PM
EVERYBODY SHUT THE **** UP

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 04:33 PM
This thread is amazing.

The Sam Bradford was a No.1 pick because of Tom Brady was
followed by Big East > NFL.

At that point it was obvious the guy is either a troll, or a tad bit
whacky.

Neither of which will go anywhere by attempting to have a
reasonable discussion.

Yet we're over a 1000 posts, and counting. I don't get it.

It's a fine line between genius and madness... and idiots have no chance of telling the difference...

Internally I think they must know.. they probably aren't natural idiots but man-made..

McDman
07-12-2011, 04:35 PM
I think we are sad that you are pretending like this was intentional. It's kind of gross.

Agreed.

Jay3
07-12-2011, 05:00 PM
This thread is amazing.

The Sam Bradford was a No.1 pick because of Tom Brady was
followed by Big East > NFL.

At that point it was obvious the guy is either a troll, or a tad bit
whacky.

Neither of which will go anywhere by attempting to have a
reasonable discussion.

Yet we're over a 1000 posts, and counting. I don't get it.

The ironic/sad part is where self-pwnage was snatched from the jaws of reverse-pwn when they started saying he was baja.

Nope, just a conversation he's kept you in for 1,000 posts.

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 05:05 PM
So Jay... still feel confident about Cam this year?

Mr. Elway
07-12-2011, 05:19 PM
It's a fine line between genius and madness

It's really not. It's an 8 lane highway.

baja
07-12-2011, 05:21 PM
I gotta give some credit to baja, he actually did lay down enough smoke screen to suck you guys back in...

I told you pages ago you would be the very last one to acknowledge the truth. Your ego will not allow it.

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 05:22 PM
It's really not. It's an 8 lane highway.

It's really not.. if you look at it rationally EVERYONE is insane.. 500 years years from now people will look at all of us as crazy and aspbackwards. Just as we look at the people 500 years ago the same way.

baja
07-12-2011, 05:25 PM
So true.... Ha!

Time will prove you wrong, question is will you admit it.

baja
07-12-2011, 05:28 PM
ok baja

If you believe him to be me why is he not on ignore?

baja
07-12-2011, 05:35 PM
I think I can make it, but I have a Masonic virgin sacrifice at 6 that MAY run late and I need to be done in time to help start the next conspiracy with the new Ground Zero design late this evening while paying off the FDA with checks from "Big Aspartame". <b> Oh, and I need to traffic weapons to Mexico in exchange for drugs because that toilet of a country is all our fault.

Fortunately I have a super sonic anti gravity vehicle, so I think I can cram it all in.


US government openly admits arming Mexican drug gangs with 30,000 firearms - but why?


(NaturalNews) It is now a widely-reported fact that under the Obama administration, U.S. federal agents actively placed over 30,000 fully-functional weapons into the hands of Mexican drug gangs, then halted all surveillance and tracking activities of where those weapons were going.

This is not a conspiracy theory, nor a piece of fiction. It is now an openly-admitted fact that this was pulled off by the BATFE (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, more commonly called "ATF") under orders from Washington. The program was called "Fast and Furious."

Even Reuters is now covering the news and reporting how members of Congress are outraged to learn that this happened (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011...).

Details are also starting to leak about the cover-up inside ATF, which was led by the U.S. Attorney in Arizona, Dennis Burke, an Obama appointee (http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/06/i...). The engineering of the illegal gun running went right up the chain of command to the director of the ATF, Kenneth Melson, who is now expected to resign. The real planning of this event went even higher up the chain of command in Washington, possibly all the way to Attorney General Eric Holder (http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/21/i...).

Among the firearms sold to the Mexican drug gangs were AK-47s, thousands of pistols and, remarkably, .50-caliber rifles which are typically used to disable vehicles or carry out sniper-based assassinations at extremely long ranges (up to two miles). The mainstream media is now reporting that these weapons are turning up in violent crimes being committed in Phoenix, Arizona. As an ABC news affiliate reports:

"According to the testimony of three Phoenix ATF agents, including Dodson, hundreds of weapons are now on the streets in the United States and Mexico, possibly in the hands of criminals. Dodson estimated the number could be as many as 1,800 weapons. He estimated agents in the Phoenix field division facilitated the sale of approximately 2,500 weapons to straw purchasers. A few hundred have been recovered." (http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/local...)


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/032934_ATF_illegal_firearms.html#ixzz1RwOhQ2PL





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The evil elements of the US government dump 30,000 weapons in Mexico and not even a peep out of you citizens. Reminiscent of of the good German citizens of late 1930's

ozomulsion
07-12-2011, 05:35 PM
It's a fine line between genius and madness... and idiots have no chance of telling the difference...

Internally I think they must know.. they probably aren't natural idiots but man-made..

It's instigate, irritate, or actual faith.

One of these 3 labels can pretty accurately describe
the intentions of each one of your posts.

I don't have a hard time discerning which is what.

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 06:10 PM
It's instigate, irritate, or actual faith.

One of these 3 labels can pretty accurately describe
the intentions of each one of your posts.

I don't have a hard time discerning which is what.

Instigate? You don't know the history... so how would you know who instigated what? I was minding my own business then mocked for an opinion on sports message board!! And this isn't the first time this kind of thing has gone on and I have witnessed it with others too.. the same instigator as well

Who's crazy again?

OABB
07-12-2011, 06:24 PM
Instigate? You don't know the history... so how would you know who instigated what? I was minding my own business then mocked for an opinion on sports message board!! And this isn't the first time this kind of thing has gone on and I have witnessed it with others too.. the same instigator as well

Who's crazy again?

You were mocked because you said stupid things...not because of some bully conspiracy. Haven't I explained this to you allready?

DHallblows
07-12-2011, 06:26 PM
So it's my fault I have to explain everything to you? I only had to explain it because when I called TheRev YOUR leader you took that to mean that I said he was A leader.. there is a big difference there...as I said.. a dictator isn't a true leader.. they are a ruler..

Napolean complex.. sound familiar..

1. Now by "you" do you mean me or a general "you"? Because you've already ****ed that up multiple times this thread. (Of course it's everyone else's fault, though)

2. When you have to re-explain everything you say to everyone you talk to...yes, yes it is your fault.

And the rest of your post is nonsensical gibberish that I'm not sure was even directed at me.

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 06:27 PM
You were mocked because you said stupid things...not because of some bully conspiracy. Haven't I explained this to you allready?

Sock puppet boy? So who determines what is stupid? The lord of the Manor? His royal highness of the order of the Masonic ski lodge?

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 06:33 PM
[QUOTE]1. Now by "you" do you mean me or a general "you"? Because you've already ****ed that up multiple times this thread. (Of course it's everyone else's fault, though)

So it's my fault everyone here acts like they share a brain? It's kind of hard to keep track of the numbskulls in this thread.. If you were unbiased you would realize that... but you aren't.. and that's the problem...

2. When you have to explain everything you say to everyone you talk to...yes, yes it is your fault.

It's really not my duty to explain everything to you. You aren't even in the conversation.. That's really the entire point. But I have to explain that, too...

Jay3
07-12-2011, 06:35 PM
So Jay... still feel confident about Cam this year?

Yes. He's got some learning to do, and it's always possible he can't figure the NFL out. But I think he's stomped everyone that's ever been put in front of him.

And he's tall. Height comes in handy for an NFL quarterback.

DHallblows
07-12-2011, 06:36 PM
So it's my fault everyone here acts like they share a brain? It's kind of hard to keep track of the numbskulls in this thread.. If you were unbiased you would realize that... but you aren't.. and that's the problem...



It's really not my duty to explain everything to you. You aren't even in the conversation.. That's really the entire point. But I have to explain that, too...

Look at that, a clear and concise post. Atta boy! Keep up the good work.

And FYI you're not having a conversation with anyone. You're saying ridiculous **** that everyone is ridiculing you for. That's hardly a conversation...

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 07:42 PM
Look at that, a clear and concise post. Atta boy! Keep up the good work.

And FYI you're not having a conversation with anyone. You're saying ridiculous **** that everyone is ridiculing you for. That's hardly a conversation...

All truth goes through three phases....

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 07:51 PM
Yes. He's got some learning to do, and it's always possible he can't figure the NFL out. But I think he's stomped everyone that's ever been put in front of him.

And he's tall. Height comes in handy for an NFL quarterback.

So does being a QB! :D

Seriously though, I figured out who Cam Newton is.. Everyone wants to compare him to Tebow.. but he's not Tebow.. in a weird way hes Chris Leak. Cam was like the running QB version of Leak.

Just like Leak Cam had an incredibly talented team around him.. and both had teams full of seniors. Leak had Tebow who just joined the team as a great runner and far and away the offensive MVP IMO.. and Cam had Michael Dyer who I also thought was the offensive MVP.

But where they are opposite is that Cam has all the tools guys look for in a NFL QB but isn't really a QB IMO.. and Leak was a QB but has none of the physical tools the NFL is looking for.. Just my .02.

(Let the Orange Mane beating begin.. I had another original thought...)

That One Guy
07-12-2011, 07:54 PM
So does being a QB! :D

Seriously though, I figured out who Cam Newton is.. Everyone wants to compare him to Tebow.. but he's not Tebow.. in a weird way hes Chris Leak. Cam was like the running QB version of Leak.

Just like Leak Cam had an incredibly talented team around him.. and both had teams full of seniors. Leak had Tebow who just joined the team as a great runner and far and away the offensive MVP IMO.. and Cam had Michael Dyer who I also thought was the offensive MVP.

But where they are opposite is that Cam has all the tools guys look for in a NFL QB but isn't really a QB IMO.. and Leak was a QB but has none of the physical tools the NFL is looking for.. Just my .02.

(Let the Orange Mane beating begin.. I had another original thought...)

Come on, Man...

Their scenarios might've been comparable (just granting it for grins) but as you went on to say, the two players are nothing alike. How can that, in any way, translate to his NFL career?

Rulon Velvet Jones
07-12-2011, 08:12 PM
Alright, let's see what's going on in this thre...

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MacGruder
07-12-2011, 08:13 PM
Come on, Man...

Their scenarios might've been comparable (just granting it for grins) but as you went on to say, the two players are nothing alike. How can that, in any way, translate to his NFL career?

Because the NFL talent level is equal with both of them... that is my point.. neither one of them is an NFL QB.. for their own reasons.. but both looked great in their own way to win championships.. Cam just got all the credit and Leak didn't get as much.

But Cam even got the credit IMO because he wasn't that talented.. teams dare your weak link to beat them This was why Tebow looked worse than he was and underrated compared to Cam.

DBroncos4life
07-12-2011, 08:13 PM
Yes. He's got some learning to do, and it's always possible he can't figure the NFL out. But I think he's stomped everyone that's ever been put in front of him.

And he's tall. Height comes in handy for an NFL quarterback.

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/8927/nflgmcgwire200.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/718/nflgmcgwire200.jpg/)
He agrees 100%

Punisher
07-12-2011, 08:20 PM
http://ellensama.com/imgs/plog-content/images/gifs/misc/ninja-look-around.gif

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 08:29 PM
I just discovered this on a Dallas Mavs message board... apparently this is a well known dallas sports talk figure.. talking about an alien abduction he claimed to experience.

http://www.theunticket.com/matt-mcclearin-alien-abduction-saga/

ozomulsion
07-12-2011, 08:31 PM
Because the NFL talent level is equal with both of them... that is my point.. neither one of them is an NFL QB.. for their own reasons.. but both looked great in their own way to win championships.. Cam just got all the credit and Leak didn't get as much.

But Cam even got the credit IMO because he wasn't that talented.. teams dare your weak link to beat them This was why Tebow looked worse than he was and underrated compared to Cam.

So true. Cam is like a poor mans Darian Durant, which puts
him in the CFL in a few years. If he's lucky. ^5

It's sad that Micheal Dyer has to wait a couple years before
he can come dominate the NFL. Cam should be history by then.

jhns
07-12-2011, 08:35 PM
The evil elements of the US government dump 30,000 weapons in Mexico and not even a peep out of you citizens. Reminiscent of of the good German citizens of late 1930's

Why would we care? You are crying in front of the wrong people.

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 08:37 PM
I'm interested to see what happens with Vince Young tho.. I don't think he is as good as Tebow and Vick but I am still on the fence about whether he can be a good QB or not. If he gets the right coach like Vick could he turn it around still?

That One Guy
07-12-2011, 08:37 PM
[ATF Post]

I believe I read that they admitted that this was a botched sting operation and the guy that's been leading ATF for quite some time stepped down as a result of it. It was hardly an intentional arming of Mexican gangs.

baja
07-12-2011, 08:39 PM
Why would we care? You are crying in front of the wrong people.

People like you are what has allowed the once steller USA to slip so far toward a cooperate police state. It will be you that will be whining the most when you finally realize what has happen but it will be too late.

jhns
07-12-2011, 08:40 PM
I believe I read that they admitted that this was a botched sting operation and the guy that's been leading ATF for quite some time stepped down as a result of it. It was hardly an intentional arming of Mexican gangs.

While this is true, we really were arming them so we could get a steady supply of drugs. We love our drugs.

jhns
07-12-2011, 08:40 PM
People like you are what has allowed the once steller USA to slip so far toward a cooperate police state. It will be you that will be whining the most when you finally realize what has happen but it will be too late.

That will suck.

baja
07-12-2011, 08:40 PM
I believe I read that they admitted that this was a botched sting operation and the guy that's been leading ATF for quite some time stepped down as a result of it. It was hardly an intentional arming of Mexican gangs.

You need to look into to the story further.

Follow some of the links on the site I posted

baja
07-12-2011, 08:42 PM
That will suck.

No doubt.

That One Guy
07-12-2011, 08:43 PM
Because the NFL talent level is equal with both of them... that is my point.. neither one of them is an NFL QB.. for their own reasons.. but both looked great in their own way to win championships.. Cam just got all the credit and Leak didn't get as much.

But Cam even got the credit IMO because he wasn't that talented.. teams dare your weak link to beat them This was why Tebow looked worse than he was and underrated compared to Cam.

But your quote was:


Seriously though, I figured out who Cam Newton is.. Everyone wants to compare him to Tebow.. but he's not Tebow.. in a weird way hes Chris Leak. Cam was like the running QB version of Leak.


People compare Cam and Tebow because they have similar characteristics. To say Cam and Leak are similar based on the scenario you presented is hardly beneficial or insightful. The fact that highly athletic college QBs rarely translate those same skills into NFL success has a MUCH higher likelihood of impact on whether or not Cam succeeds than anything Chris Leak could be invoked to substantiate. In that regard, Cam's success would be more comparable to Tebow's success and the two players, thus, more comparable. Plenty of QBs have succeeded in the NFL after having highly talented teams around them in college and plenty of QBs have failed in the NFL after having poorly talented teams around them in college. I don't think that's an indicator that should even be considered, really.

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 08:44 PM
Baja, what do you think of 9-11? Where do you stand on what happened? Just curious about your take on it.

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 08:52 PM
But your quote was:

[QUOTE]People compare Cam and Tebow because they have similar characteristics. To say Cam and Leak are similar based on the scenario you presented is hardly beneficial or insightful.

I just meant in terms of talent level.. I think Tebow is much more talented physically and as a QB than both Cam and Leak for different reasons. That was why I went on to explain this.

The fact that highly athletic college QBs rarely translate those same skills into NFL success has a MUCH higher likelihood of impact on whether or not Cam succeeds than anything Chris Leak could be invoked to substantiate.

Like I said.. I was just comparing talent levels.. Cam has good but not great physical ability.. he is highly overrated there IMO tho. But lacks QB talent. And he doesn't have the physical ability to play another position at a high level either. Leak didn't have the physical tools but had the QB make-up. Both were incredibly lucky to be in the position they were is my point. They were role players in their own way.

In that regard, Cam's success would be more comparable to Tebow's success and the two players, thus, more comparable. Plenty of QBs have succeeded in the NFL after having highly talented teams around them in college and plenty of QBs have failed in the NFL after having poorly talented teams around them in college. I don't think that's an indicator that should even be considered, really.

But where Cam and Tebow are different is that Tebow is much more physically talented than Cam.. Tebow has all the athletic tools except height.. but has the physical playmaking ability and also Tebow is a much better passer. So Tebow is not the true pure running QB that many think he is. He has that ability.. but that's not all he is. Which is why I think he has such a big edge on Vick as a young QB too.

But again.. what made things so weird was how overrated Cam was and how underrated Tebow was. In many ways.

Punisher
07-12-2011, 08:58 PM
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljr35vYvGr1qj5vnvo1_500.gif

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 09:02 PM
Is the guy on the right a stopmotion character.. lol Looks like a puppet.. haha

bowtown
07-12-2011, 09:05 PM
Baja, what do you think of 9-11? Where do you stand on what happened? Just curious about your take on it.

I can't wait for this thread to eventually dissolve into several pages of baja's multiple personalities just conversing with each other.

baja
07-12-2011, 09:10 PM
Baja, what do you think of 9-11? Where do you stand on what happened? Just curious about your take on it.

There are many unanswered questions.

Why did building #7 fall.

Why was everything including hardened steel turned to dust

Why did all three buildings fall perfectly into their basements

Why did the Bush WH initially refuse to have a real investigation

How did a terrorist passport survive when to be found on the sidewalk when thousands of tons of office equipment was turned to dust.

Why was there a huge spike in PUTS for American airlines on Sept 10

....and many more

Was it a false flag? I don't know. What I do know there is a general deterioration of all systems with no solution in sight.

It is time to find a community of kindred spirits and focus on self sufficiency sufficiency

DBroncos4life
07-12-2011, 09:20 PM
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljr35vYvGr1qj5vnvo1_500.gif

Kris Kross will make me jump jump

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 09:23 PM
I was just curious because the way I look at 9-11 I feel that people are starting to see how obviously unnatural this was.. especially as the weird inexplicable anomalies, just in terms of the video footage, are being isolated by engineers etc.

So to me these holes in their story seem so huge and the whole thing seems so brazen to me.. it really makes me worry that they have something planned to remove the possibility of being caught.

But this occurred to me just recently..so maybe I haven't thought of every scenario.. but I can only think of a couple scenarios they could have planned to deal with this..

- a fake coup or fake hostile take over by another country to cover their tracks

- someone takes the fall within the government in some kind of staged event

- or some type of disaster scenario.. maybe something they knew was coming all along or something man made

That One Guy
07-12-2011, 09:29 PM
But again.. what made things so weird was how overrated Cam was and how underrated Tebow was. In many ways.

Well I can definitely agree that the two players were seemingly criticized on completely different scales.

As for the rest, I'll assume it makes sense and I'm just tired. I can't really follow the logic but it has been a long day and I'm worn out.

DBroncos4life
07-12-2011, 09:30 PM
Cam is a joke of a 1st overall pick.

That One Guy
07-12-2011, 09:32 PM
I'm not in that club.. I have said repeatedly that I was not a conspiracy theorist.. it took an INCREDIBLE chain of events to allow me to see what is going on (partially). I repeatedly say that I don't blame people for not beliving it... I doubt I would believe it if I was in your shoes. I think it makes things even harder for people when they don't have knowledge of science.


Mac, will you humor me and make a quick list of all the conspiracy theories you believe?

You mentioned how it took an incredible chain of events to convince you but you seem to be swallowing a lot of theories hook, line, and sinker.

Or were you saying that you weren't a conspiracy theorist but now concede that you buy into the crazy chatter?

baja
07-12-2011, 09:39 PM
I was just curious because the way I look at 9-11 I feel that people are starting to see how obviously unnatural this was.. especially as the weird inexplicable anomalies, just in terms of the video footage, are being isolated by engineers etc.

So to me these holes in their story seem so huge and the whole thing seems so brazen to me.. it really makes me worry that they have something planned to remove the possibility of being caught.

But this occurred to me just recently..so maybe I haven't thought of every scenario.. but I can only think of a couple scenarios they could have planned to deal with this..

- a fake coup or fake hostile take over by another country to cover their tracks

- someone takes the fall within the government in some kind of staged event

- or some type of disaster scenario.. maybe something they knew was coming all along or something man made

If they were able to pull off the 9/11 attacks they don't need to cover their tracks they are too far along in their power grab to worry about being found out. IMO

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 09:45 PM
Mac, will you humor me and make a quick list of all the conspiracy theories you believe?

It would be difficult to list things... just off the top of my head. There is a certain set of things I believe in very solidly. And then there are things related to these elements that I am more unsure of. But many of these things that are considered conspiracy theories are connected. And the more you dig the more you find that what sounds crazy could very possibly be connected.

Plus.. when you see something so incredible that you suddenly realize is completely real.. and incredible amazing.. then it makes you a much much much more open-minded person.

One thing I have had to completely remove from my belief is aliens, alien flying saucers, abductions etc. So much of this stuff is related to the governments created story that I have had to completely remove the possibility of this. And when I do it allows me to see things the government is doing so clearly.

But the big things are antigravity and 9-11 -- using super technologies -- super weapons to take the buildings down in an unconventional fashion.

I also firmly believe these things are partially connected, antigravity and 9-11... and 9-11 is partially connected to controlling people and these technologies. The government is afraid that certain elements of humanity will get this tech and then all hell would break loose.

But I don't know if the people involved have totally good intentions or totally evil intentions. But sometimes it doesn't matter.. someone meaning to good can unintentionally do evil

vancejohnson82
07-12-2011, 09:49 PM
It would be difficult to list things... just off the top of my head. There is a certain set of things I believe in very solidly. And then there are things related to these elements that I am more unsure of. But many of these things that are considered conspiracy theories are connected. And the more you dig the more you find that what sounds crazy could very possibly be connected.

Plus.. when you see something so incredible that you suddenly realize is completely real.. and incredible amazing.. then it makes you a much much much more open-minded person.

One thing I have had to completely remove from my belief is aliens, alien flying saucers, abductions etc. So much of this stuff is related to the governments created story that I have had to completely remove the possibility of this. And when I do it allows me to see things the government is doing so clearly.

But the big things are antigravity and 9-11 -- using super technologies -- super weapons to take the buildings down in an unconventional fashion.

I also firmly believe these things are partially connected, antigravity and 9-11... and 9-11 is partially connected to controlling people and these technologies. The government is afraid that certain elements of humanity will get this tech and then all hell would break loose.

But I don't know if the people involved have totally good intentions or totally evil intentions. But sometimes it doesn't matter.. someone meaning to good can unintentionally do evil

like McDaniels

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 09:50 PM
If they were able to pull off the 9/11 attacks they don't need to cover their tracks they are too far along in their power grab to worry about being found out. IMO

That's a good point. So it would essentially just come down to a kind of civil war or other countries revolting against us. And we would have no chance.. do you think they will ever fully reveal their self and their goals then? I wonder if some people might even embrace them like the Nazis.

baja
07-12-2011, 09:52 PM
That's a good point. So it would essentially just come down to a kind of civil war or other countries revolting against us. And we would have no chance.. do you think they will ever fully reveal their self and their goals then? I wonder if some people might even embrace them like the Nazis.

No. I think the goal is global depopulation and there is much work to be done. They will have to weaken and dumb down the people to a greater degree. But they are well on their way. If you doubt that witness this thread.

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 09:54 PM
like McDaniels

That is really funny you mentioned that because I compared McDaniels to Bush at one time.. they were both really bad at selling people what they were doing.. And both might have been used as patsies, too. haha

That One Guy
07-12-2011, 09:58 PM
Plus.. when you see something so incredible that you suddenly realize is completely real.. and incredible amazing.. then it makes you a much much much more open-minded person.


Very true.

End result though is that whether you were or not, you are now a conspiracy theorist. As such, we just take whatever you say as another looney concoction of your mind. Don't hide from who you are but recognize that we're gonna think you're a nutjob unless you find a way to really convince us. Especially on the internet, that mission is probably never going to succeed.

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 10:02 PM
No. I think the goal is global depopulation and there is much work to be done. They will have to weaken and dumb down the people to a greater degree. But they are well on their way. If you doubt that witness this thread.

I did feel this way before.. but it changed for me when they started doing things in the middle east recently.. I get the feeling from their actions in the middle east that they are trying to maintain some kind of order- overhaul the middle east. And they aren't going to wipe everyone off the map. Because if they were then why even bother with Ghdaffi etc? This is why I think they must have something weird up their sleeve regarding 9-11. At least in the short term.

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 10:12 PM
Very true.

End result though is that whether you were or not, you are now a conspiracy theorist. As such, we just take whatever you say as another looney concoction of your mind. Don't hide from who you are but recognize that we're gonna think you're a nutjob unless you find a way to really convince us. Especially on the internet, that mission is probably never going to succeed.

I agree.. I have said that I realize people are unlikely to believe me. I have said I wasn't a conspiracy theorist before.. and obviously am one now. But also keep in mind that there is a reason conspiracy theorists have been painted as nuts.. AND can't help but sound like nuts because of this. It's by design..

Realize that there is a reason for this.. we have all been conditioned to be hyper skeptical about all of this. I don't think this is at all an accident. No doubt many people feed into it naturally.. but I think just as much if not more is generated by these people in charge.

What bothers me though and what I don't understand is the hostility. I can understand the skepticism.. but the anger and hostility is strange to me. maybe that is a good sign -- the 2nd stage of the evolution of truth.

I do think things are changing. So much more info is coming out recently.. I think people are starting to wake up. I think I am just a little ahead of the curve because I had something that happened to help me see and I am very open minded and good at recognizing patterns. I just hope it's not too late for people to wake up before we lose our chance to change things if they are going to get really ugly.

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 10:34 PM
Consider this...

- The US education system is awful... ESPECIALLY related to math and science. Which is very strange for the richest country in the world. I think it all has been actively suppressed and controlled since the 50s

- To recognize how strange 9-11 is you have to have knowledge of science, physics etc... AND be someone that doesn't blindly believe what they are taught and told. Which is not something fostered in the US education system.

The conditions to allow them to get away with 9-11 were created to perfection..

We have even been conditioned by action movies etc so we were desensitized to 9-11 before 9-11. To us it's like watching a movie...

It seems very fishy to me all the movies with landmarks being destroyed before 9-11. Movies like Independence Day. Mars Attacks etc.

Also, the population is split RIGHT down the middle between dems and republicans.. and the 9-11 event was politicized right down the middle too. This ensures no kind of majority can be reached. Look at the Gore Bush election immediately before 9-11. So close that it supposedly came down to a split decision.right before 9-11. Was this by accident? I don't know how you could control that but it sure is strange..

SoCalBronco
07-12-2011, 10:43 PM
That is really funny you mentioned that because I compared McDaniels to Bush at one time.. they were both really bad at selling people what they were doing.. And both might have been used as patsies, too. haha

Expand if you would on your thoughts that Josh was (possibly) used as a patsy.

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 10:51 PM
That was really just kind of a joke. I just say that as someone who saw things from the outside at that time.. so maybe I am not familiar with the situation there then.

I just think that it's possible that with the situation of the Broncos with Marshall and Cutler wasn't an attractive situation for a prestigious head coach.

I just thought it was strange Cutler and Marshall were sent packing by McD. I can't see a more experienced prestigious coach coming in and wanting to piss off the fan base like that. So you bring in a patsy to take them down... and McD didn't have a whole lot to lose. He was just happy to have head coach job so young.

vancejohnson82
07-12-2011, 10:52 PM
Expand if you would on your thoughts that Josh was (possibly) used as a patsy.

I'm assuming he was saying that Josh was a patsy for the failure to find WMDs in Iraq.....right?

That One Guy
07-12-2011, 10:54 PM
Consider this...

- The US education system is awful... ESPECIALLY related to math and science. Which is very strange for the richest country in the world. I think it all has been actively suppressed and controlled since the 50s

- To recognize how strange 9-11 is you have to have knowledge of science, physics etc... AND be someone that doesn't blindly believe what they are taught and told. Which is not something fostered in the US education system.

The conditions to allow them to get away with 9-11 were created to perfection..

We have even been conditioned by action movies etc so we were desensitized to 9-11 before 9-11. To us it's like watching a movie...

It seems very fishy to me all the movies with landmarks being destroyed before 9-11. Movies like Independence Day. Mars Attacks etc.

Also, the population is split RIGHT down the middle between dems and republicans.. and the 9-11 event was politicized right down the middle too. This ensures no kind of majority can be reached. Look at the Gore Bush election immediately before 9-11. So close that it supposedly came down to a split decision.right before 9-11. Was this by accident? I don't know how you could control that but it sure is strange..

Alright, man, you win. I was trying to put my response into words and my brain just started hating me and telling me it's bedtime. This becomes a difficult thing to discuss because, to me, it's like arguing that the sky is blue. If you told someone it was and they responded it was green, how would you respond to that? You could do nothing but repeat "No, it's blue" over and over. To me, your ideas are so far from reality that I can't simply bridge the gap to guide you back to my world.

I think one truly has to try to come up with such out-there concepts but once your mind embraces them, there's probably no returning to the normal realm. We'll just have to agree to coexist in parallel universes (as long as there's no conspiracy to parallel universes, of course).

That One Guy
07-12-2011, 10:56 PM
That was really just kind of a joke. I just say that as someone who saw things from the outside at that time.. so maybe I am not familiar with the situation there then.

I just think that it's possible that with the situation of the Broncos with Marshall and Cutler wasn't an attractive situation for a prestigious head coach.

I just thought it was strange Cutler and Marshall were sent packing by McD. I can't see a more experienced prestigious coach coming in and wanting to piss off the fan base like that. So you bring in a patsy to take them down... and McD didn't have a whole lot to lose. He was just happy to have head coach job so young.

So they brought in someone just to take the negative publicity so the puppet masters could avoid it? Nice.

SoCalBronco
07-12-2011, 11:00 PM
That was really just kind of a joke. I just say that as someone who saw things from the outside at that time.. so maybe I am not familiar with the situation there then.

I just think that it's possible that with the situation of the Broncos with Marshall and Cutler wasn't an attractive situation for a prestigious head coach.

I just thought it was strange Cutler and Marshall were sent packing by McD. I can't see a more experienced prestigious coach coming in and wanting to piss off the fan base like that. So you bring in a patsy to take them down... and McD didn't have a whole lot to lose. He was just happy to have head coach job so young.

There was some rumor before Shanny was fired that he was going to get rid of Marshall, but I don't know how reliable that was. Baja (oddly enough) has posited a theory that Bowlen wanted to get rid of Cutler and they used this whole thing as an excuse. Ofcourse, Bowlen told the fans that Cutler would remain numerous times and he said at the Shanny firing press conference that he would be "the man". It would seem odd for him to be having these secret thoughts all along of getting rid of Jay...and there would be little reason for it. It can't be that Jay's drinking problems concerned Bowlen since that would be hypocritical.

In any case, I don't think there was some conspiratorial plan. I think Josh was just a very "my way of the highway coach" and he simply didn't like those guys and wanted them out. He purged alot of guys, not just them (Tony, Hillis etc). I think this was just simple stupidity (maybe not with Marshall since they could not properly insure the risk under the former CBA) by an overly arrogant coach wanting to prove himself in a dick measuring contest and a stupid, moronic owner who had no choice but to back the coach (and pretend he was offended by phone calls that weren't returned when in reality he passed on the oppurtunity to meet Cutler in person) since doing otherwise would have demonstrated to people that Bowlen made a massive mistake in firing Shanny and he had too much pride for that, so instead, he made the whole fanbase suffer.

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 11:02 PM
I think one truly has to try to come up with such out-there concepts but once your mind embraces them, there's probably no returning to the normal realm. We'll just have to agree to coexist in parallel universes (as long as there's no conspiracy to parallel universes, of course).

Did you watch this video?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3975546396136405829

Watch what the old guy says about the lengths the government will go to to keep secrets.. then think on a global scale..

Did you read this article?

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message907287/pg1

This article was from a very very respected aviation periodical..

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 11:16 PM
In any case, I don't think there was some conspiratorial plan. I think Josh was just a very "my way of the highway coach" and he simply didn't like those guys and wanted them out. He purged alot of guys, not just them (Tony, Hillis etc).

Do you think the Broncos braintrust outside of McD at the time had much of a hand in signing off on Tebow? Or was this something McD did more on his own?

I just can't imagine the Braintrust not communicating heavily and signing off on both of these scenarios - dumping Cutler and getting Tebow.. This is why I felt they let McD hang out to dry when things went so bad... maybe when Elway was roaming in the wings too.

I just get the sense that McD was always thought of as a transitional guy.. and one who they could kind of manipluate in certain ways knowing he was happy just to be a coach and because he did have a lot of power to get the people he wanted - carte blanche..

DBroncos4life
07-12-2011, 11:37 PM
Do you think the Broncos braintrust outside of McD at the time had much of a hand in signing off on Tebow? Or was this something McD did more on his own?

I just can't imagine the Braintrust not communicating heavily and signing off on both of these scenarios - dumping Cutler and getting Tebow.. This is why I felt they let McD hang out to dry when things went so bad... maybe when Elway was roaming in the wings too.

I just get the sense that McD was always thought of as a transitional guy.. and one who they could kind of manipluate in certain ways knowing he was happy just to be a coach and because he did have a lot of power to get the people he wanted - carte blanche..

Are you ****ing serious? Was there someone else in love with former Pats players we don't know of? We have a million dollar LS that proves you don't know ****.

DBroncos4life
07-12-2011, 11:46 PM
How many trades did Shanny make with the Pats in all the years with the Broncos? We made at least with McD in one season.

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 11:49 PM
Are you ****ing serious? Was there someone else in love with former Pats players we don't know of? We have a million dollar LS that proves you don't know ****.

Are you drunk? WTF are you talking about? You must be misunderstanding what I am saying...

I am saying McD HAD the power to get the guys he wanted.... which is why he wasn't afraid of pissing off the fans.. it was worth it to him..

BUT.. what I am saying is that they wouldn't have brought McD in KNOWING he wanted to let Cutler go unless they were heavily for it. Same with Tebow.. even though McD had his way.. to take what was supposed to be such a big risk on Tebow even knowing that hardcore Broncos fans may be pissed about it..

To reiterate.. Mcd took the job knowing he had the power to do things his way.. but he wouldn't have gotten the job unless they knew what he wanted to do and were happy about what he was doing.

In other words.. they wanted him to make the drastic changes he did.. but he knew he was going to get hung out to dry if it fell apart. And they didn't hesitate to ax him very quickly even though I think they wanted him to do the things he did..

But again.. like I said.. elements of that are just based on my perception from the outside. I don't know what their communication level was.. like I said.. I can't imagine they let some guy with no experience come in and shop around for another QB like he did. Or take Tebow without having the green light. But I have no idea on those situations....

DBroncos4life
07-12-2011, 11:55 PM
So he was brought in to because we thought the FO could manipluate but then we gave him total control of the team?

As for Tebow, I loved the pick and I always will. I was 100% on board with us drafting him before we drafted him.

MacGruder
07-13-2011, 12:06 AM
So he was brought in to because we thought the FO could manipluate but then we gave him total control of the team?

As for Tebow, I loved the pick and I always will. I was 100% on board with us drafting him before we drafted him.

Yes he had full control.. but like I said.. I can't imagine them giving him full control unless they knew what he wanted to do. They wanted him to blow things up essentially..

Let's put it this way..

For a guy like McD.. who had NO head coaching experience and had the opportunity of a lifetime.. this was as full control as it gets. But he still had to have the blessing on those big decisions...

And by getting that level of control so young he also knew that he was on a short leash and they didn't hesitate one second to ax him. (fall guy - patsy)

But like I said.. that's from my view.. I can't imagine them letting him do everything he did unsupervised... yet he was fired like he was unsupervised..

Those things don't add up to me unless he was just happy to be there knowing he was the fall guy making those unpopular moves.

Let's put it this way... they brought him in knowing he wanted to blow it up and was willing to pay for it if he did.. to me that equals fallguy - patsy.

good cop - bad cop

McDaniels - Fox

McD willing to take the hit with the fans as bad cop because he's happy to get his first job and feel like he's making the calls.


Also, consider how the Broncos are sitting pretty now. McD took all the risks and blame for getting rid of Cutler and Marshall and bringing Tebow in. Now the Broncos are rid of that dead weight and Elway and Fox swoop in and have a clean slate to work with and likely the golden boy McD discovered taking that risk.

jhns
07-13-2011, 06:30 AM
like McDaniels

Yeah, your guys' hero was pretty retarded. It was easy to see that he was going to fail before he even started his first season.

jhns
07-13-2011, 06:33 AM
Yes he had full control.. but like I said.. I can't imagine them giving him full control unless they knew what he wanted to do. They wanted him to blow things up essentially..

Let's put it this way..

For a guy like McD.. who had NO head coaching experience and had the opportunity of a lifetime.. this was as full control as it gets. But he still had to have the blessing on those big decisions...

And by getting that level of control so young he also knew that he was on a short leash and they didn't hesitate one second to ax him. (fall guy - patsy)

But like I said.. that's from my view.. I can't imagine them letting him do everything he did unsupervised... yet he was fired like he was unsupervised..

Those things don't add up to me unless he was just happy to be there knowing he was the fall guy making those unpopular moves.

Let's put it this way... they brought him in knowing he wanted to blow it up and was willing to pay for it if he did.. to me that equals fallguy - patsy.

good cop - bad cop

McDaniels - Fox

McD willing to take the hit with the fans as bad cop because he's happy to get his first job and feel like he's making the calls.


Also, consider how the Broncos are sitting pretty now. McD took all the risks and blame for getting rid of Cutler and Marshall and bringing Tebow in. Now the Broncos are rid of that dead weight and Elway and Fox swoop in and have a clean slate to work with and likely the golden boy McD discovered taking that risk.

I don't think there is a person on this planet that knows less about football than you. Not that this is a surprise. You don't seem to know much about anything.

bowtown
07-13-2011, 06:45 AM
Yes he had full control.. but like I said.. I can't imagine them giving him full control unless they knew what he wanted to do. They wanted him to blow things up essentially..

Let's put it this way..

For a guy like McD.. who had NO head coaching experience and had the opportunity of a lifetime.. this was as full control as it gets. But he still had to have the blessing on those big decisions...

And by getting that level of control so young he also knew that he was on a short leash and they didn't hesitate one second to ax him. (fall guy - patsy)

But like I said.. that's from my view.. I can't imagine them letting him do everything he did unsupervised... yet he was fired like he was unsupervised..

Those things don't add up to me unless he was just happy to be there knowing he was the fall guy making those unpopular moves.

Let's put it this way... they brought him in knowing he wanted to blow it up and was willing to pay for it if he did.. to me that equals fallguy - patsy.

good cop - bad cop

McDaniels - Fox

McD willing to take the hit with the fans as bad cop because he's happy to get his first job and feel like he's making the calls.


Also, consider how the Broncos are sitting pretty now. McD took all the risks and blame for getting rid of Cutler and Marshall and bringing Tebow in. Now the Broncos are rid of that dead weight and Elway and Fox swoop in and have a clean slate to work with and likely the golden boy McD discovered taking that risk.

Everything is a ****ing conspiracy with you. Sometimes owners are just senile and drunk and make dumbass decisions.

Cito Pelon
07-13-2011, 08:58 AM
Baja hosed me with a conspiracy? Interesting. Can you show me where this happened?

"He who was hosed often does not know." Confucius

MacGruder
07-13-2011, 10:48 AM
I don't think there is a person on this planet that knows less about football than you. Not that this is a surprise. You don't seem to know much about anything.

You believe that because you can't conceive of anyone going against conventional wisdom..

You are a parrot.. nothing more..

jhns
07-13-2011, 10:51 AM
You believe that because you can't conceive of anyone going against conventional wisdom..

You are a parrot.. nothing more..

Poor guy never had a chance.

MacGruder
07-13-2011, 10:51 AM
Everything is a ****ing conspiracy with you. Sometimes owners are just senile and drunk and make dumbass decisions.

How is that a conspiracy??? LOL

Using someone isn't a conspiracy.. if it was then everything is life would be a conspiracy.. that's all people do is use each other.. in this case it was really a fair deal for both parties.. it just didn't work any better than expected. Josh took a gamble and it didn't pay off.

MacGruder
07-13-2011, 10:52 AM
Poor guy never had a chance.

More delusions

jhns
07-13-2011, 10:54 AM
More delusions

Less education.

baja
07-13-2011, 10:55 AM
define education

MacGruder
07-13-2011, 10:56 AM
Less education.

A true education is supposed to teach someone how to think for themselves. By that standard, you have displayed your complete ignorance.

jhns
07-13-2011, 11:03 AM
A true education is supposed to teach someone how to think for themselves. By that standard, you have displayed your complete ignorance.

It is sad that people can't all be born the same. It is sad to see kids that never stood a chance.

jhns
07-13-2011, 11:05 AM
define education

Something that is much harder to obtain in the extremely inferior Mexico.

MacGruder
07-13-2011, 11:06 AM
It is sad that people can't all be born the same. It is sad to see kids that never stood a chance.

Another projector... LOL

This one is really sad though....

jhns
07-13-2011, 11:08 AM
Another projector... LOL

This one is really sad though....
?
I know you are but what am I!!!@@..$#3

MacGruder
07-13-2011, 11:08 AM
Something that is much harder to obtain in the extremely inferior Mexico.

bwahahah So eloquently put for someone who tries to present themselves as "Mr. literate"

Someone's trying to compensate, obviously..

MacGruder
07-13-2011, 11:10 AM
?
I know you are but what am I!!!@@..$#3

That's the thing though.. I am not the one attacking people.. only insecure people like yourself need to do that..

People who "never had a chance"

Why didn't you have a chance JHNS?

jhns
07-13-2011, 11:10 AM
bwahahah So eloquently put for someone who tries to present themselves as "Mr. literate"

Someone's trying to compensate, obviously..

I present myself as Mr. Literate? I don't try. I guess that pretty much proves my point.

jhns
07-13-2011, 11:13 AM
That's the thing though.. I am not the one attacking people.. only insecure people like yourself need to do that..

People who "never had a chance"

Why didn't you have a chance JHNS?

So insecure = stupid? I know many smart people that are insecure.

Try again.

MacGruder
07-13-2011, 11:14 AM
I present myself as Mr. Literate? I don't try. I guess that pretty much proves my point.

bwahahaa Someone on the defensive.. LOL

That was easy... So why didn't you have a chance JHNS? Let's work through this...

jhns
07-13-2011, 11:16 AM
bwahahaa Someone on the defensive.. LOL

That was easy... So why didn't you have a chance JHNS? Let's work through this...

You just said that I come off as smart. Your next conclusion is that I was born unable to learn. You are still proving my point.

MacGruder
07-13-2011, 11:20 AM
You just said that I come off as smart. Your next conclusion is that I was born unable to learn. You are still proving my point.

Funny.. you didn't learn about sarcasm with all your high-falutin' learnin.. lol

It's obvious you have an inferiority complex.. why is that, JHNS?

jhns
07-13-2011, 11:26 AM
Funny.. you didn't learn about sarcasm with all your high-falutin' learnin.. lol

It's obvious you have an inferiority complex.. why is that, JHNS?

Poor guy doesn't even understand the simple concept of sarcasm.

It's okay. Comfort yourself by knowing jhns doesn't understand made up words like "falutin".

MacGruder
07-13-2011, 11:34 AM
Poor guy doesn't even understand the simple concept of sarcasm.

It's okay. Comfort yourself by knowing jhns doesn't understand made up words like "falutin".

Wow... you really are delusional.. lol

I have never seen so many obliviously delusional people in one place in my life.. Funny that the most egotistical, arrogant people I have ever encountered would be on a Denver football site where people do nothing but post 4chan vids and pics all day every day.

Do the math...

jhns
07-13-2011, 11:41 AM
Wow... you really are delusional.. lol

I have never seen so many obliviously delusional people in one place in my life.. Funny that the most egotistical, arrogant people I have ever encountered would be on a Denver football site where people do nothing but post 4chan vids and pics all day every day.

Do the math...

The new math by the resident mental midget:

Inferiority complex = egotistical and arrogant

Smart = lacking the ability to learn

Brilliant!

MacGruder
07-13-2011, 11:43 AM
The new math by, the resident mental midget:

Inferiority complex = egotistical and arrogant

Smart = lacking the ability to learn

Brilliant!

Just when I thought you couldn't get dumber.. lol

This really is sad...

Did you eat a lot of paint chips as a kid?

Me thinks the lady doth protesteth too much...

jhns
07-13-2011, 11:48 AM
Just when I thought you couldn't get dumber.. lol

This really is sad...

Did you eat a lot of paint chips as a kid?

Me thinks the lady doth protesteth too much...

I just repeated what you typed. Why would you call yourself dumb? I mean, I get that you were born this way. This is not a good reason to beat up on yourself.

MacGruder
07-13-2011, 11:55 AM
I just repeated what you typed. Why would you call yourself dumb? I mean, I get that you were born this way. This is not a good reason to beat up on yourself.

This was a really weak response from such a learned man as yourself.. shouldn't you be working on your Nobel prize acceptance speech? LOL

Will you thank the Mane?

jhns
07-13-2011, 12:05 PM
This was a really weak response from such a learned man as yourself.. shouldn't you be working on your Nobel prize acceptance speech? LOL

Will you thank the Mane?

I already have my speech ready.

No.

Now go get my fries ready.

Mr. Elway
07-13-2011, 12:08 PM
MacGruder: If the government is executing a secret conspiracy with everything it does, then how exactly does that work - are newly elected officials and new employees given the freemason orientation on the first day, or must they first go through a probationary period? How do they decide who's in and who's out? How do you tell what government actions are the product of the conspiracy faction, and which are regular government actions? Or are all the elections rigged, and the freemason candidates are scouted in high school?

I'm sure you have crazy answers to all of these questions too, but maybe you could try to keep your answers somewhat short so I don't have to read a whole page? Also no videos please.

MacGruder
07-13-2011, 12:25 PM
MacGruder: If the government is executing a secret conspiracy with everything it does, then how exactly does that work - are newly elected officials and new employees given the freemason orientation on the first day, or must they first go through a probationary period?

I think it's something you are born into.. kind of like the royal family.. it seems these people are consumed with "bloodlines" Like the royal family. And people born on certain dates. Have you heard of the Antikythera mechanism? It's an ancient computer that defies logic because it comes from a period when we shouldn't have had the technology to make it. It's purpose was for calculating astrological.astronomical information. This is the kind of stuff they believe in.

But anyway.. All these people are groomed for this stuff.. like the royals also. From what I have heard if you F up or screw them the people you care most about will pay.. I have also seen indications they use blackmail to keep people in line.

Also, the people who aren't part of the group they BS. That is the purpose of this alien disinfo. This is how the government hides antigrav technology from people in the military/gov who aren't on a need-to-know basis.

How do you tell what government actions are the product of the conspiracy faction, and which are regular government actions? Or are all the elections rigged, and the freemason candidates are scouted in high school?

Well.. I have an edge because I had inside info that showed me what was real and what wasn't. When you know this for a few guys it directs you to what is and isn't real all around. You see how all these people and events are connected.

I'm sure you have crazy answers to all of these questions too, but maybe you could try to keep your answers somewhat short so I don't have to read a whole page? Also no videos please.

I tried to be as concise as possible.. but if this stuff was easy to explain or relate it wouldn't be the issue it is.

Pick Six
07-13-2011, 12:29 PM
MacGruder fighting with jhns? This HAS to be a HOF thread...:thumbs:

jhns
07-13-2011, 12:29 PM
Genetics are a bitch.

jhns
07-13-2011, 12:32 PM
MacGruder fighting with jhns? This HAS to be a HOF thread...:thumbs:

Every thread I post in is HOF...

MacGruder
07-13-2011, 12:34 PM
Genetics are a b****.

Freud would have a field day with this post..