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epicSocialism4tw
07-08-2011, 07:28 PM
It's bizarre how they all use the same shtick too.. posting "funny" pictures.. etc. They have developed their own system of behavior.. and they all do it.

It reminds me of a funny experiment I saw.. they had people in an elevator all stand facing the same direction - towards the back of the elevator.. and when people came on they would do the same thing.. every time.. no matter what direction they faced. lol

For you.
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/2009/03/custom_1236370406871_michellelacey.jpg

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 07:28 PM
yeah he didn't make the playoffs. Cassel wasn't a rookie he was in his 4th year. Let me know when you know something about football.


He was still very very successful.. and Matt Cassell hasn't exactly blown the doors off. What should that tell you? It's the same reason Orton put up monster numbers in the same system. What more do you need to see? If Orton had had a little better team he would be as overrated as Bradford right now.. for the same reason.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 07:31 PM
yeah he didn't make the playoffs. Cassel wasn't a rookie he was in his 4th year. Let me know when you know something about football.

It was his first year as a starter. he was virtually a rookie...he had no real prep either because Brady was injured... He got a massive contract out of it so someone was obviously impressed..

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 07:32 PM
Join Date: Jan 2011

Tebow Draft Date: April 2010

Conclusion: Sounds legit Hilarious!

Yes.. because this is the only message board in existence.. LOL

I didn't think it was possible for you to get more bush league.. You truly are gifted in your own way... too bad it's not a real way.

DBroncos4life
07-08-2011, 07:33 PM
He was still very very successful.. and Matt Cassell hasn't exactly blown the doors off. What should that tell you? It's the same reason Orton put up monster numbers in the same system. What more do you need to see? If Orton had had a little better team he would be as overrated as Bradford right now.. for the same reason.

Cassel took a team that didn't lose a game the year before to not making the playoffs. Success is making the playoffs and better. Not making the playoffs is never viewed as successful. Don't bring Orton into this either.

DBroncos4life
07-08-2011, 07:35 PM
It was his first year as a starter. he was virtually a rookie...he had no real prep either because Brady was injured... He got a massive contract out of it so someone was obviously impressed..

No real prep? 4 years to learn a system and you think he was virtually a rookie. Hilarious! As for the contract goes....there is a sucker born every minute.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 07:36 PM
Cassel took a team that didn't lose a game the year before to not making the playoffs. Success is making the playoffs and better. Not making the playoffs is never viewed as successful. Don't bring Orton into this either.

So then why did Cassel get a monster contract?

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 07:37 PM
No real prep? 4 years to learn a system and you think he was virtually a rookie. Hilarious! As for the contract goes....there is a sucker born every minute.

Yeah.. the suckers who think Bradford is legit as well. That is my point.. you are agreeing with me you numbskull. haha lmao

Cassel was overrated just like Bradford, Orton and even Brady in the same system...

DBroncos4life
07-08-2011, 07:38 PM
So then why did Cassel get a monster contract?
Really?

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 07:47 PM
Wow, idiot:

So how do you know the opinion of people on the Orangemane towards Tebow pre-draft?

Because I've seen your work.. This isn't exactly the Algonquin round table here..

Though honestly I did see a lot of comments on here that were more pro than other Broncos or NFL boards.. but that aint saying a whole lot..

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 07:51 PM
"My work"?!?! Hilarious!

I've been one of the biggest Tebow homers since even before the draft that there is...

I meant YOUR as in everyone... I am surprised you got something right for once.. lol

What clued you in?

epicSocialism4tw
07-08-2011, 07:56 PM
I meant YOUR as in everyone... I am surprised you got something right for once.. lol

What clued you in?

Way to go, dude.

You ruined the only football related thread to exist in this football drought in awhile.

U r awsum!

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 07:57 PM
I just explained it to you... I have seen "your" work - the board. Considering everywhere all over the internet I saw the same behavior and seeing your behavior here I have no reason to believe the people here on a whole would be any different..

I asked the person i was talking to IF they were one of those people.. so obviously I wasn't condemning EVERYONE...

You sure are a sensitive troll..

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 07:59 PM
Way to go, dude.

You ruined the only football related thread to exist in this football drought in awhile.

U r awsum!

I am not the one that came in posting pictures and harassing people for their opinions.. That was ya'll.. then u act like it's my fault for your behavior.. how brilliant.

epicSocialism4tw
07-08-2011, 08:02 PM
I am not the one that came in posting pictures and harassing people for their opinions.. That was ya'll.. then u act like it's my fault for your behavior.. how brilliant.

Nah, you just wouldn't leave it alone after you had made a fool of yourself.

Shananahan
07-08-2011, 08:06 PM
The only fitting way this ends is with the dude getting banned, right? I mean, you're not gonna run the guy off and he's not going to be shamed.

Maybe a three-month timeout or something.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 08:11 PM
Nah, you just wouldn't leave it alone after you had made a fool of yourself.

If you say so it must be true.. you all are so open minded and rational.. LMFAO

Jay3
07-08-2011, 08:12 PM
I think more telling about the interview was he claimed Denver will have the most sophisitcated running attack in the league. What does that mean to me? There will be lots of options and deception. What else does that mean? TIMMY TIME!

Can you imagine a running attack with Knowshon, Deangelo, and Timmy running bootlegs and Q draws?

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 08:13 PM
The only fitting way this ends is with the dude getting banned, right? I mean, you're not gonna run the guy off and he's not going to be shamed.

Maybe a three-month timeout or something.

Submit or be banned.. LOL

I think the people posting pictures need the time out...

broncocalijohn
07-08-2011, 08:22 PM
I don't have a college team honestly.. I was just a casual college football fan. Tebow made me more interested and it really showed me how biased people are. I have just been following the Tebow saga the whole time because it was so amazing and crazy.

But I am not from Florida and have no ties.. I live on the West coast.

We have enough crazies here. Please add to the fact that by West Coast you meant Arizona, Nevada, Washington or Oregon. Oh pleaaaase be one of those 4.

Shananahan
07-08-2011, 08:27 PM
Submit or be banned.. LOL

I think the people posting pictures need the time out...
I'm not normally a fan of using memes and pictures in place of actual comments on message boards, but you aren't exactly making a very strong argument for the use of text.

Anyway, I found a picture for you. It's a gif of this thread:

http://i.imgur.com/gWQir.gif

broncocalijohn
07-08-2011, 08:27 PM
The only fitting way this ends is with the dude getting banned, right? I mean, you're not gonna run the guy off and he's not going to be shamed.

Maybe a three-month timeout or something.

Bronco Warrior got more leeway than MacGruber. At broncosforum, they bounced him after one day. Exactly what trolling MacGruber is doing here, he got bounced there.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 08:27 PM
I don't have a college team honestly.. I was just a casual college football fan. Tebow made me more interested and it really showed me how biased people are. I have just been following the Tebow saga the whole time because it was so amazing and crazy.

But I am not from Florida and have no ties.. I live on the West coast.

We have enough crazies here. Please add to the fact that by West Coast you meant Arizona, Nevada, Washington or Oregon. Oh pleaaaase be one of those 4.

You don't want to know where I'm from.. Hilarious! Though I am really more of a citizen of the world.. that is why I don't really identify with particular teams. (non-homer) But I'm not a bandwagoner either.. I don;t try to take credit for other success etc.

I just root for great players.. I tend to like unique players that don't fit in a mold. I was a big supporter of Dirk because the guy was so undervalued and deserved to win for so long. Him and the Mavs winning this year was mind boggling.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 08:29 PM
I'm not normally a fan of using memes and pictures in place of actual comments on message boards, but you aren't exactly making a very strong argument for the use of text.

Anyway, I found a picture for you. It's a gif of this thread:

http://i.imgur.com/gWQir.gif

So deal with a bunch of morons and idiots or be banned.. tough call.. lol

Shananahan
07-08-2011, 08:30 PM
Way over your head, as usual.

Punisher
07-08-2011, 08:31 PM
**** it let Tebow start the whole year if anything we can trade up for Luck next year if we get a top 5 or 10

epicSocialism4tw
07-08-2011, 08:37 PM
Bronco Warrior got more leeway than MacGruber. At broncosforum, they bounced him after one day. Exactly what trolling MacGruber is doing here, he got bounced there.

BroncoWarrior was fun.

broncocalijohn
07-08-2011, 08:39 PM
BroncoWarrior was fun.

Yes, but he couldnt handle being caught either in lies or bad statements.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 08:39 PM
Way over your head, as usual.

Yeah.. I feel really bad I am not up on your scabby little picture dialogue.. :~ohyah!:

epicSocialism4tw
07-08-2011, 08:43 PM
BroncoWarrior actually claimed he was going to sue me for making fun of him.

See what I mean?

A dude with a permed mullet and cutoff jean shorts threatening to sue people...that's fun. Its like a saturday night live character.

MacGruber is a SNL character too, I guess.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 08:47 PM
**** it let Tebow start the whole year if anything we can trade up for Luck next year if we get a top 5 or 10

Talk about overrated...

broncocalijohn
07-08-2011, 08:53 PM
Talk about overrated...

Oh good, you know a troll when a thread is starting to die off he brings up another name to bring on some more pages. Luck = West Coast/Pac 12 and that just can't come close to SEC.

IndelibleScribe
07-08-2011, 08:55 PM
idk but they look funkier than her pants.
The ****s the matter with that girls boobies? They look like blobs of play-do thrown at a wall

Shananahan
07-08-2011, 08:56 PM
I'm kinda surprised that the appearance of Punisher didn't cause this thread to collapse in on itself.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 08:58 PM
Oh good, you know a troll when a thread is starting to die off he brings up another name to bring on some more pages. Luck = West Coast/Pac 12 and that just can't come close to SEC.

I didn't bring Luck up.. The SEC is the only standout conference.. so it shouldn't be a surprise Luck would be overrated as well. The fact he even had to run as much as he did in that conference should be a huge red flag... which is ironic because Tebow was criticized far more for running against D that justified it.

Natedog24
07-08-2011, 09:02 PM
You are all getting trolled. I mean he has to be a troll, no one is really stupid enough to believe the SEC is tougher then the NFL, right?

broncocalijohn
07-08-2011, 09:02 PM
I didn't bring Luck up.. The SEC is the only standout conference.. so it shouldn't be a surprise Luck would be overrated as well. The fact he even had to run as much as he did in that conference should be a huge red flag... which is ironic because Tebow was criticized far more for running against D that justified it.

So every player not tied to the SEC is overrated? WTF do you smoke everyday before you think?

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 09:09 PM
You are all getting trolled. I mean he has to be a troll, no one is really stupid enough to believe the SEC is tougher then the NFL, right?

So then explain to me how Tebow could look like a better runner against NFL defenses than SEC defenses? I think it is because NFl teams are more well balanced. Tebow had a better running game in the NFL than he ever did in college. Florida couldn't get true SEC runners because of their offensvie system. Tebow had to fill that role himself.. which allowed teams to focus on him and take him out of the game.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 09:15 PM
So every player not tied to the SEC is overrated? WTF do you smoke everyday before you think?

The only exceptions would be players on teams that aren't elite within that conference.. and even then they can get lucky and get a lot of talent at times.

The key is that in the SEC there is parity.. a lot like the NFL. In other conferences this isn't the case. Other conferences 2 or 3 elite teams get all the talent. Players on these teams look massively overrated compared to SEC stars. This is why scrubs like Bradford and McCoy looked like Gods.. plus they were trained to fit the role of system QBs.. short passes.. like Orton.. dink and dunkers -role players. But you see what happens when they face great D even on teams just as loaded as SEC teams.. if not more loaded.. plus they can use gimmicky systems in those other conferences that wouldn't fly in the SEC. I honestly don't know if Bradford and McCoy could have made it as starting QBs in the SEC. LOOK what happened to the guy who replaced Tebow - Brantley.. this guy was hyped as a better NFL prospect than Tebow and he got HOSED. I mean he looked like COMPLETE horse ****. Put Brantley in the BIG12 or PAC10 etc and he probably looks like a GOD last year.

Punisher
07-08-2011, 09:25 PM
Andrew Luck can play and any league the kid has a gun and he reminds me of Steve Young.

OABB
07-08-2011, 10:19 PM
Andrew Luck can play and any league the kid has a gun and he reminds me of Steve Young.

That means luck will play in the cfl now.

DBroncos4life
07-08-2011, 10:34 PM
Drafting SEC players is the only way to win in the NFL fact...

epicSocialism4tw
07-08-2011, 10:51 PM
Drafting SEC players is the only way to win in the NFL fact...

SEC standouts like John Elway, Barry Sanders, Lawrence Taylor, Gary Zimmerman, Steve Young, Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, Shannon Sharpe, Tom Brady, Walter Payton, Ronnie Lott, Ray Lewis, Deion Sanders, Thurman Thomas, Emmitt Smith, Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin, Marshall Faulk, LaDanian Tomlinson, etc.

You can't win a championship without SEC stars like the players listed above.

Requiem
07-08-2011, 11:29 PM
Draft all SEC = Victory.

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 08:01 AM
You guys aren't very bright.. for one thing you are talking about different eras.. I am talking about this era... for another you can have great players in other conferences.. but if they are on an elite team their numbers and play should be extraordinary.. and they should certainly be competing for and winning championships if they are going through a weak conference.

bowtown
07-09-2011, 08:03 AM
So if in the history of the nfl before brady a mediocre armed smart qb was drafted high mcgruber is wrong.

Pretty sure it's Brian Griese's fault.

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 08:15 AM
Pretty sure it's Brian Griese's fault.

Bradford didn't just go high.. he went NUMBER ONE AND over Tebow.. and what did Bradford accomplish? What happened to him against an SEC defense?

A scrawny, weak armed dink and dunker who couldn't stay healthy in college while protected like a china doll went number one over Tebow..

The people who said Bradford was a number one pick were the same ones saying Tebow was juts carried by his great team and John Brantley was a better NFL prospect than Tebow..

Captain 'Dre
07-09-2011, 08:29 AM
I was thinking what I usually think of when I hear 'gamer'

http://www.polygamerous.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/fat_gamer_kid1.jpg

The kid has a future working at Burger King.

bowtown
07-09-2011, 08:32 AM
The kid has a future working at Burger King.

Or posting on message boards.

bowtown
07-09-2011, 08:34 AM
Bradford didn't just go high.. he went NUMBER ONE AND over Tebow.. and what did Bradford accomplish? What happened to him against an SEC defense?

A scrawny, weak armed dink and dunker who couldn't stay healthy in college while protected like a china doll went number one over Tebow..

The people who said Bradford was a number one pick were the same ones saying Tebow was juts carried by his great team and John Brantley was a better NFL prospect than Tebow..

So, who is the prototype that the Panthers were chasing when they drafted Cam Newton #1?

barryr
07-09-2011, 08:39 AM
They obviously do not want to say Tebow is the starter and watch Orton´s value go down the toilet since teams will think they are now in position of strength in any trade proposal. Why Andrew Luck gets so much talk is beyond me, but I don´t see Luck ending up a Bronco anyway, so seems pointless to go on and on about him.

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 08:39 AM
So, who is the prototype that the Panthers were chasing when they drafted Cam Newton #1?

A hybrid between Tebow and Vick.. but Cam was overrated too.. AND he benefited from Tebow and Vick's recent success just like Bradford benefited from Brady's success.

Cam was heavily overrated because he played on a loaded team that was ALSO loaded with seniors. I see Cam Newton as the running version of Chris Leak when Tebow went to Florida his first season. Michael Dyer was Tebow in this scenario...

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 08:41 AM
They obviously do not want to say Tebow is the starter and watch Orton´s value go down the toilet since teams will think they are now in position of strength in any trade proposal. Why Andrew Luck gets so much talk is beyond me, but I don´t see Luck ending up a Bronco anyway, so seems pointless to go on and on about him.

Well said! I hope that's what's happening. It also makes sense because Elway's comments have devalued Tebow a bit. Doesn't make sense to do that if Elway was remotely thinking of trading him. But I still have the feeling he might want to make Tebow a runner.

bowtown
07-09-2011, 08:43 AM
A hybrid between Tebow and Vick.. but Cam was overrated too.. AND he benefited from Tebow and Vick's recent success just like Bradford benefited from Brady's success.

Cam was heavily overrated because he played on a loaded team that was ALSO loaded with seniors. I see Cam Newton as the running version of Chris Leak when Tebow went to Flordia his first season. Michael Dyer was Tebow in this scenario...

I'm pulling for Tebow to be great, but I don't understand how you can say he had such amazing success as to influence a team to draft Cam Newton. He's started a total of 3 games and only won 1 of them against a horrible defense. If going by your "What did Suh do for his team's success" premise, there's nothing very special about that.

OABB
07-09-2011, 08:43 AM
Bradford didn't just go high.. he went NUMBER ONE AND over Tebow.. and what did Bradford accomplish? What happened to him against an SEC defense?

A scrawny, weak armed dink and dunker who couldn't stay healthy in college while protected like a china doll went number one over Tebow..

The people who said Bradford was a number one pick were the same ones saying Tebow was juts carried by his great team and John Brantley was a better NFL prospect than Tebow..

Thank you for a great thread...your stupidity and stubborness to see it are wonderful traits for the internets. Well done.

bowtown
07-09-2011, 08:47 AM
Drafting SEC players is the only way to win in the NFL fact...

I'm thinking that Nazis living in the North Pole might be behind the SEC.

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 08:54 AM
I'm pulling for Tebow to be great, but I don't understand how you can say he had such amazing success as to influence a team to draft Cam Newton. He's started a total of 3 games and only won 1 of them against a horrible defense. If going by your "What did Suh do for his team's success" premise, there's nothing very special about that.

Tebow broke records in his first games in the league.. Steve Young said Tebow could revolutionize the QB position. Tebow also had the top selling jersey most the season. Plus Tebow had lower expectations than Suh and had very little time to prove himself AND broke records etc. People think if lowly Tebow could do what he did just imagine what Cam could do.. but as I said Cam was overrated by a great team as well. Just like Sam Bradford.

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 08:56 AM
I'm thinking that Nazis living in the North Pole might be behind the SEC.

all truth goes through three phases....

bowtown
07-09-2011, 09:00 AM
Tebow broke records in his first games in the league.. Steve Young said Tebow could revolutionize the QB position. Tebow also had the top selling jersey most the season. Plus Tebow had lower expectations than Suh and had very little time to prove himself AND broke records etc. People think if lowly Tebow could do what he did just imagine what Cam could do.. but as I said Cam was overrated by a great team as well. Just like Sam Bradford.

Sorry, which records did Tebow break?

Tombstone RJ
07-09-2011, 09:03 AM
Tebow broke records in his first games in the league.. Steve Young said Tebow could revolutionize the QB position. Tebow also had the top selling jersey most the season. Plus Tebow had lower expectations than Suh and had very little time to prove himself AND broke records etc. People think if lowly Tebow could do what he did just imagine what Cam could do.. but as I said Cam was overrated by a great team as well. Just like Sam Bradford.

while I love your Tebow enthusiasm, I'm not sure why you are so disparaging against Bradford. The two QBs are not mutually exclusive and yes, both can be successful in the NFL. Bradford (whether you respect the Big 12 or not) was a much better NFL QB prospect coming out of OU than Tebow was coming out of FL. We all hope as Broncos fans that Tebow becomes the most successful Broncos QB ever (yes, I'm hoping he's even better than Elway because Elway is retired while Tebow is the future) but that does not take anything away from Bradford.

Who cares what the national media thinks about Tebow? It's up to the Broncos and Tebow to prove to all the other teams that it was a mistake to doubt Tebow. I really think that the Fox/Tebow combo can be a great one IF the Broncos get Tebow an excellent QB coach and IF the Broncos offensive coordinator knows how to design an offense around his strengths.

bowtown
07-09-2011, 09:06 AM
all truth goes through three phases....

Right, and as I've said before: it might be a sign that ALL of your "truths" are perpetually stuck in phase 1--ridicule.

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 09:09 AM
Sorry, which records did Tebow break?

He had the longest TD run of any Denver QB in his first game. He had the most rushing yards in his first 3 games since the NFL merger.. I think there's more to..

bowtown
07-09-2011, 09:10 AM
This coud be the poster boy thread on he OM's fall from greatness.

Yeah, it's definitely not the aspertame thread or any of your stupid polls.

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 09:11 AM
Right, and as I've said before: it might be a sign that ALL of your "truths" are perpetually stuck in phase 1--ridicule.

Are they? The Tebow truth wasn't..

baja
07-09-2011, 09:13 AM
Yeah, it's definitely not the aspertame thread or any of your stupid polls.

You're a good guy bowtown I got no issue with you. Do you really think the OM is the same great board it used to be?

baja
07-09-2011, 09:20 AM
Yeah, it's definitely not the aspartame thread or any of your stupid polls.

BTW In case you haven't noticed there is no football to talk about.

The aspartame thread was meant to inform people so the could make better health choose but as usual, except for a few, the board chose to ridicule the messenger instead of weighing the information and making a informed decision.

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 09:21 AM
while I love your Tebow enthusiasm, I'm not sure why you are so disparaging against Bradford. The two QBs are not mutually exclusive and yes, both can be successful in the NFL.

My problem is with guys who are on great teams putting up big numbers against weak competition getting over hyped because of it.. And Tebow was knocked for the opposite reason. Why should I cut Bradford slack when I think he is hugely overrated? Bradford got a Heisman that should have been Tebow's for the same reason. I saw Bradford and Mccoy wrongly hyped all through college for this reason.

Bradford (whether you respect the Big 12 or not) was a much better NFL QB prospect coming out of OU than Tebow was coming out of FL.

Anyone on those elite teams in the BIG12 would do the same.. that is what I was saying about Brantley.. he was supposed to be a better NFL prospect than Tebow and look what happened to him in the SEC..

We all hope as Broncos fans that Tebow becomes the most successful Broncos QB ever (yes, I'm hoping he's even better than Elway because Elway is retired while Tebow is the future) but that does not take anything away from Bradford.

I just don't understand why people ignore Bradford's weakneses and magnify all Tebow's supposed weaknesses. Why do we punish the greta players and reward the guys who really proved nothing.

I am telling you.. Brady is the only explanation.. Bradford is lauded for doing NOTHING. He lost the championship and got injured the one time he got hit.. yet he's thought of as some golden boy.. it's truly bizarre. Tebow actually was the golden buy and he is seen as a scrub. Tebow is BUILT for the NFL. He made the NFL look like the SEC!

Who cares what the national media thinks about Tebow? It's up to the Broncos and Tebow to prove to all the other teams that it was a mistake to doubt Tebow. I really think that the Fox/Tebow combo can be a great one IF the Broncos get Tebow an excellent QB coach and IF the Broncos offensive coordinator knows how to design an offense around his strengths.

I agree with everything you said here. Very well put.. but I don't understand why people think Bradford's weaknesses should be overlooked. That's my issue.. I just don't get that.. makes zero sense to me... it's like Bradford is rewarded for just LOOKING like a QB.. same with Orton..

Play2win
07-09-2011, 09:24 AM
You're a good guy bowtown I got no issue with you. Do you really think the OM is the same great board it used to be?

Circa 2005— this place was great.

But, the internet in general pretty much sucks today. Its turned into TV. Bad TV... ie., soap operas, sit-coms, nancy-graces, 24/7 cable news, and worst of all all things "reality-tv" related. I'm using the browser less and less nowdays and accessing the internet from alternative sources.

Still use google out the yin-yang, though...

bowtown
07-09-2011, 09:26 AM
He had the longest TD run of any Denver QB in his first game. He had the most rushing yards in his first 3 games since the NFL merger.. I think there's more to..

So those are the kind of cherry picked records we are going with? Suh was the first rookie DT to be named to the All Pro team since 1950, he had the most sacks by a rookie since sacks became an official in 1982. He shattered the Lion's rookie record for sacks. He also became the first Lion to have a sack in his first two games. ... didn't take him very long to prove himself either.

Oh, and btw, your fragile China Doll also broke Mannings record for most completions by a rookie.

baja
07-09-2011, 09:28 AM
Circa 2005— this place was great.

But, the internet in general pretty much sucks today. Its turned into TV. Bad TV... ie., soap operas, sit-coms, nancy-graces, 24/7 cable news, and worst of all all things "reality-tv" related. I'm using the browser less and less nowdays and accessing the internet from alternative sources.

Still use google out the yin-yang, though...

Ya that's my take too.

Nancy Grace is the poster girl for idiot TV

How do you access the Internet without a browser?

bowtown
07-09-2011, 09:30 AM
You're a good guy bowtown I got no issue with you. Do you really think the OM is the same great board it used to be?

Like you said, there's no football. Personally, in offseason mode, I have no problem with anything making the front page. But to call this thread the downfall of the boards is ridiculous. This is one idiot throwing up all over a thread. It's not the first time and it won't be the last. As far as whether this board is the same great board it used to be, it's definitely not the same but it's still pretty great IMO... if it wasn't I wouldn't waste as much time on it as I do.

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 09:34 AM
So those are the kind of cherry picked records we are going with? Suh was the first rookie DT to be named to the All Pro team since 1950, he had the most sacks by a rookie since sacks became an official in 1982. He shattered the Lion's rookie record for sacks. He also became the first Lion to have a sack in his first two games. ... didn't take him very long to prove himself either.

Oh, and btw, your fragile China Doll also broke Mannings record for most completions by a rookie.

Bradford's stat is the product of a gimmick offense.. ironically and wrongly what Tebow was accused of prospering from. Bradford benefited from the same O that made Orton put up Dan Marino numbers. Case closed.

It's a real shame Nick Fairley is going to the Lions.. when Mr. SEC decimates Suh's records Suh will get a lot of the credit..

bowtown
07-09-2011, 09:36 AM
Bradford's stat is the product of a gimmick offense.. ironically and wrongly what Tebow was accused of prospering from.

It's a real shame Nick Fairley is going to the Lions.. when Mr. SEC decimates Suh's records Suh will get a lot of the credit..

I would love to know more about this "gimmick offense." Please expound upon what that means to you.

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 09:37 AM
I would love to know more about this "gimmick offense." Please expound upon what that means to you.

I already did - I edited that post.

bowtown
07-09-2011, 09:38 AM
I already did - I edited that post.

Which number post is it?

Play2win
07-09-2011, 09:40 AM
Ya that's my take too.

Nancy Grace is the poster girl for idiot TV

How do you access the Internet without a browser?

RSS readers for blogs I actually really want to read, when I want to read, without all the javascript laden ads and feels like you are watching commercials on TV.

Also try to pick a few good "portals", yes using the browser, that has good info without all the bs.

Plus Netfix instant on the TV for entertainment. I can't remember the last time I went to YouTube. (except for problem solving, need to figure something out, etc.)

I have about 3-4 services I pay for to get content, (mostly graphics/web/dev stuff). I do spend time there.

But as far as the "open" and "free" web, its getting pretty close to being dead to me.

Just a bunch of un-edited ill-informed agenda-driven BS, really.

And, no I'm not bitter, I'm just busy... ;D

Play2win
07-09-2011, 09:44 AM
Ya that's my take too.

Nancy Grace is the poster girl for idiot TV

How do you access the Internet without a browser?

Also, I didn't really know much about the whole Casey Anthony thing, because I purposely chose not to pay attention.

I still don't really know what went on, and you know what? I think I am better because of that (I didn't concern myself with it).

Some people get way too concerned in other people's matters.

bowtown
07-09-2011, 09:44 AM
Plus Netfix instant on the TV for entertainment. I can't remember the last time I went to YouTube. (except for problem solving, need to figure something out, etc.)



Yeah but last time I checked Netflix still didn't have any movies of dancing fat chicks falling off tables.

Bronco Yoda
07-09-2011, 09:46 AM
Holy Tebow! What the Orton is going on in this thread. I missed the pillow fight.

bowtown
07-09-2011, 09:53 AM
Bradford's stat is the product of a gimmick offense.. ironically and wrongly what Tebow was accused of prospering from. Bradford benefited from the same O that made Orton put up Dan Marino numbers. Case closed.

It's a real shame Nick Fairley is going to the Lions.. when Mr. SEC decimates Suh's records Suh will get a lot of the credit..

I'm so confused now. How was Pat Shrmur's offense the same as McDaniels? Can you spell this out in Xs and Os for me? Also, how was McDaniel's offense a gimmick for Orton but not a gimmick for Tebow? I'm so confused

DenverBrit
07-09-2011, 09:56 AM
I still have all the old NES stuff... or should I say the kids have it now. I'm going to replicate this outfit less the pants and see if it turns on the wife. A little role playing never hurt anyone. What name should I call myself?

With that outfit, 'Celibate' comes to mind. ;D

bowtown
07-09-2011, 09:57 AM
With that outfit, 'Celibate' comes to mind. ;D

See for me it's "Bob." 6 of one I guess...

Bronco Yoda
07-09-2011, 10:00 AM
With that outfit, 'Celibate' comes to mind. ;D

:giggle: I should have tried this earlier. Might have kept the family size down.

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 10:01 AM
I'm so confused now. How was Pat Shrmur's offense the same as McDaniels? Can you spell this out in Xs and Os for me? Also, how was McDaniel's offense a gimmick for Orton but not a gimmick for Tebow? I'm so confused

You watched Orton play in McDaniels offense right? And you watched Orton put up huge hollow numbers with little results right? They did it the same way.. dinking and dunking.. yards after catch. Bradford did the same in college.. plus they beat u on bad defenses and in losses. But the offense isn't conducive to to playoff success or success against good defenses.

And it's not a gimmick for Tebow because Tebow made the running game much better.. he did this by making longer passes when it mattered opening up the line of scrimmage rather than dinking and dunking closing it off and gumming up the offense.

Tebow had a lower completion percentage but had a dramatically better yards per attempt and a much improved running game because of his athleticism and passing ability down the field.

This will translate to the post season.. Bradford and Orton's will not.. which is why it is a gimmick offense. Big numbers but fluff numbers.. great completion percentage but fool's gold.

Gort
07-09-2011, 10:05 AM
Bradford didn't just go high.. he went NUMBER ONE AND over Tebow.. and what did Bradford accomplish? What happened to him against an SEC defense?

A scrawny, weak armed dink and dunker who couldn't stay healthy in college while protected like a china doll went number one over Tebow..

The people who said Bradford was a number one pick were the same ones saying Tebow was juts carried by his great team and John Brantley was a better NFL prospect than Tebow..

Ryan Leaf, #2 overall pick.
Rod Smith, undrafted.

the NFL draft is not a guaranteed predictor of NFL success. NFL draft gurus don't always know what they're talking about.

get over it.

bowtown
07-09-2011, 10:06 AM
Tebow had a lower completion percentage but had a dramatically better yards per attempt and a much improved running game because of his athleticism and passing ability down the field.


Ummmm....


Orton: 7.34 ypa
Tebow: 7.98 ypa

Dramatically?

bowtown
07-09-2011, 10:10 AM
Are they? The Tebow truth wasn't..

You need to stop pretending that Tebow was your idea, or that you were the only guy who believed in him. He was taken in the first round, remember? A majority of this board thought it was the only good thing McDaniels ever did. His jersey was a #1 seller the minute he was drafted. People loved him from the word go. Plus, absolutely none of it has been justified... yet.

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 10:17 AM
Ummmm....


Orton: 7.34 ypa
Tebow: 7.98 ypa

Dramatically?

Considering the level of experience YES. Remember.. Tebow was supposed to be the project and bust with the weak arm.. and he had a better YPA than a seasoned vet in Orton with no prep and no head coach..

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 10:21 AM
You need to stop pretending that Tebow was your idea, or that you were the only guy who believed in him. He was taken in the first round, remember? A majority of this board thought it was the only good thing McDaniels ever did. His jersey was a #1 seller the minute he was drafted. People loved him from the word go. Plus, absolutely none of it has been justified... yet.

Well if you guys were really that much for Tebow you were the exception. Believe me.. I had been arguing for Tebow through his whole college career and all up to the draft and after.

That is why I always repeat that quote - 3 phases.. I have seen it first hand. Tebow as a prime example but I see it everywhere in life.

Go back and listen to what the draft experts and NFL people were saying about Tebow.. Joe Theisman said he should retire after college.. :yayaya: Todd McShay said he was a 4th or 5th round pick.. Mel Kiper said he should switch positions...

Dagmar
07-09-2011, 10:25 AM
I admire this mongtard for not backing down.

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 10:28 AM
I admire this mongtard for not backing down.

I'm the king of all you mongtards here...

Play2win
07-09-2011, 10:30 AM
Yeah but last time I checked Netflix still didn't have any movies of dancing fat chicks falling off tables.

to each their own, I have been watching a great Ken Burns series on the National Parks, called The National Parks, America's Best Idea. Real interesting stuff.

NUB
07-09-2011, 10:32 AM
I spy a troll with my little eye,
Why oh why does it not die?
It dines from this very pigsty.
My oh my does it get high
From producing lie after lie.

DenverBrit
07-09-2011, 10:33 AM
:giggle: I should have tried this earlier. Might have kept the family size down.

This works too. Ha!

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/geek-to-me/assets_c/2010/05/500x_star_wars_condom-thumb-500x506-137646.jpg

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 10:35 AM
I spy a troll with my little eye,
Why oh why does it not die?
It dines from this very pigsty.
My oh my does it get high
From producing lie after lie.

You mean theRev? I agree.

oubronco
07-09-2011, 12:56 PM
I'm the king of all you mongtards here...

All hail the king of the Dipshyt's

OABB
07-09-2011, 01:09 PM
Macgruder should change his name to the black night.

SoCalBronco
07-09-2011, 01:13 PM
Ummmm....


Orton: 7.34 ypa
Tebow: 7.98 ypa

Dramatically?

Actually that IS a pretty dramatic difference. If you substituted the increase in YPA attributable to Tebow to the overall number of passes thrown by Orton last year, it would have been another 320 yards of offense, which would have elevated Denver to 7th in the league in total offense.

From an individual perspective, over an entire season, Tebow's 7.98 YPA would have ranked him 5th overall among NFL QB's last season (ahead of, among others, Tom Brady).

epicSocialism4tw
07-09-2011, 01:20 PM
Actually that IS a pretty dramatic difference. If you substituted the increase in YPA attributable to Tebow to the overall number of passes thrown by Orton last year, it would have been another 320 yards of offense, which would have elevated Denver to 7th in the league in total offense.

From an individual perspective, over an entire season, Tebow's 7.98 YPA would have ranked him 5th overall among NFL QB's last season (ahead of, among others, Tom Brady).

Tebow was impressive statistically last season no matter which way you slice it.

He absolutely did not look out of place.

He had several rookie moments where he threw into coverage or made the wrong read or short armed a throw, but he had just as many or more "wow" moments where he looked like the best player on the field and one of the biggest impact players in the NFL.

OABB
07-09-2011, 01:28 PM
But he likes jesus...so he deserves to fail. Me and tailgatenut arent going to budge on this clear and logical stance.

DBroncos4life
07-09-2011, 01:32 PM
Bradford's stat is the product of a gimmick offense.. ironically and wrongly what Tebow was accused of prospering from. Bradford benefited from the same O that made Orton put up Dan Marino numbers. Case closed.

It's a real shame Nick Fairley is going to the Lions.. when Mr. SEC decimates Suh's records Suh will get a lot of the credit..

OK it's time to put your money where your mouth is.

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 01:38 PM
OK it's time to put your money where your mouth is.

Sorry.. not going to happen.. as great as SEC talent is.. many of them are just looking for a paycheck. I don't know enough about Fairley's motives to stake my money on him. But he is certainly capable of doing as much or more than Suh.. he actually PROVED it unlike Suh.

DBroncos4life
07-09-2011, 01:40 PM
Sorry.. not going to happen.. as great as SEC talent is.. many of them are just looking for a paycheck. I don't know enough about Fairley's motives to stake my money on him. But he is certainly capable of doing as much or more than Suh.. he actually PROVED it unlike Suh.

That's what I thought so shut the **** up now. :thumbs:

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 01:45 PM
That's what I thought so shut the **** up now. :thumbs:

Ok.. you won.. LMAO..

More delusions from team defect...

DBroncos4life
07-09-2011, 01:50 PM
Ok.. you won.. LMAO..

More delusions from team defect...

I'm willing to bet on what I believe in, you won't lol. I did win. ^5

TDmvp
07-09-2011, 01:52 PM
LOL @ the thread title now...

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/Fredcat/Cats%2003/Cat-CatSayingISeeWhatYouDidThereAnd.jpg

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 01:56 PM
It should read "MacGruder single-handedly embarrasses Team Defect"

broncocalijohn
07-09-2011, 02:16 PM
Well said! I hope that's what's happening. It also makes sense because Elway's comments have devalued Tebow a bit. Doesn't make sense to do that if Elway was remotely thinking of trading him. But I still have the feeling he might want to make Tebow a runner.

I thought I wouldnt quote you anymore (Seems Rev fell for it too) but please tell us for the laughs that you think Elway wants Tebow to be a running back.

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 02:21 PM
I thought I wouldnt quote you anymore (Seems Rev fell for it too) but please tell us for the laughs that you think Elway wants Tebow to be a running back.

Not runningback.. but probably tight end... or short yardage back anything other than QB. Maybe throw in a dash of wildcat.

I just get the impression Elway is living in the past like everyone else who thought guys like Vick and Tebow can't win championships. In past eras I think that was true.. but it's a new age. Plus Tebow is built for it more than anyone else in history because of his versatility as a runner and his ability to pass the ball as well as he does.

baja
07-09-2011, 03:33 PM
Not runningback.. but probably tight end... or short yardage back anything other than QB. Maybe throw in a dash of wildcat.

I just get the impression Elway is living in the past like everyone else who thought guys like Vick and Tebow can't win championships. In past eras I think that was true.. but it's a new age. Plus Tebow is built for it more than anyone else in history because of his versatility as a runner and his ability to pass the ball as well as he does.

I think you are way off the mark on this one. Elway wants to win. That is the way he is wired and one can't change that. If he thinks he can win with Tebow we will see mucho Tebow.

Also it is not a well reasoned post so either you are trolling or have lapses in your thinking. Out of curiosity which is it?

briane
07-09-2011, 03:41 PM
I was thinking what I usually think of when I hear 'gamer'

http://www.polygamerous.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/fat_gamer_kid1.jpg

is that bob?

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 03:51 PM
I think you are way off the mark on this one. Elway wants to win. That is the way he is wired and one can't change that. If he thinks he can win with Tebow we will see mucho Tebow.

Also it is not a well reasoned post so either you are trolling or have lapses in your thinking. Out of curiosity which is it?

Why isn't it a well reasoned post? Elway has said Tebow is not a good QB. Many said he may take Luck over Tebow if he had the opportunity. Elway also comes from the old school where pocket passing was more valuable because they could be protected better.

From what I see Elway comes from a generation that sees the game, especially the QB position, a certain way. And his comments have supported that.

OABB
07-09-2011, 03:54 PM
Why isn't it a well reasoned post? Elway has said Tebow is not a good QB. Many said he may take Luck over Tebow if he had the opportunity. Elway also comes from the old school where pocket passing was more valuable because they could be protected better.

From what I see Elway comes from a generation that sees the game, especially the QB position, a certain way. And his comments have supported that.

Nothing anyone has ever said or thought supports anything you have ever said or thought.

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 04:09 PM
Nothing anyone has ever said or thought supports anything you have ever said or thought.

Do you know what Freudian projecting is? You should look it up.. in fact everyone in this thread should look it up. Your posts say far more about you than you than they do about me...

A lot of very very sad insecure people in this thread. Do you know what a witch hunt is?

It's lord of the flies here.. big time...

OABB
07-09-2011, 04:16 PM
Do you know what Freudian projecting is? You should look it up.. in fact everyone in this thread should look it up. Your posts say far more about you than you than they do about me...

A lot of very very sad insecure people in this thread. Do you know what a witch hunt is?

It's lord of the flies here.. big time...

Yet again you prove your powers of observation.

Didnt you wonder why i posted a picture of a projector in refetence to your post where you projected your stupidity on the rev?

OABB
07-09-2011, 04:17 PM
Do you notice anything ever?

baja
07-09-2011, 04:24 PM
Why isn't it a well reasoned post? Elway has said Tebow is not a good QB. Many said he may take Luck over Tebow if he had the opportunity. Elway also comes from the old school where pocket passing was more valuable because they could be protected better.

From what I see Elway comes from a generation that sees the game, especially the QB position, a certain way. And his comments have supported that.

You are posting "He said, she said" speculation that happens to support you view. That is why is not a well reasoned post. You use other's speculations in support of your position. Not solid data.

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 04:26 PM
Yet again you prove your powers of observation.

Didnt you wonder why i posted a picture of a projector in refetence to your post where you projected your stupidity on the rev?

Now that is irony... considering I was not the one who attacked someone else for their opinion and theRev was...

Your point makes no sense..

OABB
07-09-2011, 04:27 PM
Yes. It did. You are stupid. See?

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 04:29 PM
You are posting "He said, she said" speculation that happens to support you view. That is why is not a well reasoned post. You use other's speculations in support of your position. Not solid data.

Elway's comments are the same as many who have said Tebow won't make it in the NFL.. that isn't speculation. It's reality.

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 04:32 PM
Yes. It did. You are stupid. See?

You are deluding yourself like all TheRev's other cronies.

You are projecting again, too.

baja
07-09-2011, 04:33 PM
Elway's comments are the same as many who have said Tebow won't make it in the NFL.. that isn't speculation. It's reality.

I doubt very much Elway would make his true feelings about Tebow public. Not in the Bronco's best interests. Remember Elway learned under Mike Shanahan, the master of deception.

baja
07-09-2011, 04:34 PM
BTW; concerning my avatar, "Thy Enemy" is Thy self.

OABB
07-09-2011, 04:36 PM
You are deluding yourself like all TheRev's other cronies.

You are projecting again, too.

If i was projecting I'd tell you that you are hilarious when you make fun of stupid people.

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 04:36 PM
I doubt very much Elway would make his true feelings about Tebow public. Not in the Bronco's best interests. Remember Elway learned under Mike Shanahan, the master of deception.

He would make his true feelings known if he doesn't want Broncos fans to fall in love with Tebow knowing he is going to kick him to the curb. That is definitely one plausible scenario.. he could also be trying to motivate Tebow.. or both at the same time?

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 04:40 PM
If i was projecting I'd tell you that you are hilarious when you make fun of stupid people.

If you really believed that you wouldn't need to try to belittle people simply because they have a different opinion than you... That is TheRev's entire MO... which says so much about him..


Law 38

Think as you like but Behave like others

If you make a show of going against the times, flaunting your unconventional ideas and unorthodox ways, insecure people will think that you only want attention and that you look down upon them. They will find a way to punish you for making them see their own inferiority. It is far safer to blend in and nurture the common touch. Share your originality only with tolerant and confident friends and those who are sure to appreciate your uniqueness.

Just because it's true doesn't mean it's right.

DBroncos4life
07-09-2011, 04:42 PM
Clearly Elway doesn't understand that only SEC players are ten times the players the NFL players are.

OABB
07-09-2011, 04:44 PM
If you really believed that you wouldn't need to try to belittle people simply because they have a different opinion than you... That is TheRev's entire MO... which says so much about him..




Just because it's true doesn't mean it's right.

You are stupid. And im not saying that because im insecure. Its because you are actually stupid.

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 04:46 PM
Clearly Elway doesn't understand that only SEC players are ten times the players the NFL players are.

I am sure he doesn't.. he has massive wood for Luck.. that should tell you right there.

Don't act like great athletes are great talent evaluators.. Michael Jordan drafted the biggest busts ever - Kwame Brown.. then he drafted Adam Morrison.. LOL

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 04:49 PM
You are stupid. And im not saying that because im insecure. Its because you are actually stupid.

But don't you see, genius, arrogance is caused by insecurity... and you are so insecure because you are stupid.

OABB
07-09-2011, 04:52 PM
But don't you see, genius, arrogance is caused by insecurity... and you are so insecure because you are stupid.

Arrogance is caused by being awesome.

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 04:53 PM
Arrogance is caused by being awesome.

You just PROVED your stupidity.

OABB
07-09-2011, 04:53 PM
Stupidity is caused by comparing tom brady to sam bradford.

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 04:55 PM
Stupidity is caused by comparing tom brady to sam bradford.


Only in your little arrogant and insecure world...

DBroncos4life
07-09-2011, 04:55 PM
I am sure he doesn't.. he has massive wood for Luck.. that should tell you right there.

Don't act like great athletes are great talent evaluators.. Michael Jordan drafted the biggest bust ever - Kwame Brown.. then he drafted Adam Morrison.. LOL

Ozzie Newsome has had some great drafts. I mean look at the all SEC team he put together.....

Jonathan Ogden, Ray Lewis, Chris McAlister, Todd Heap, Adalius Thomas, Ed Reed, Terrell Suggs, Haloti Ngata, Joe Flacco, and Ray Rice.

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 05:00 PM
Ozzie Newsome has had some great drafts. I mean look at the all SEC team he put together.....

Jonathan Ogden, Ray Lewis, Chris McAlister, Todd Heap, Adalius Thomas, Ed Reed, Terrell Suggs, Haloti Ngata, Joe Flacco, and Ray Rice.

WTF? You just jumped the shark..

baja
07-09-2011, 05:52 PM
He would make his true feelings known if he doesn't want Broncos fans to fall i love with Tebow knowing he is going to kick him to the curb. That is definitely one plausible scenario.. he could also be trying to motivate Tebow.. or both at the same time?

The key phrase in your post is "one plausible scenario". One of many. My option is just as plausible therefore your's is not supportive of your position. It is only speculation. Since your whole position is based on speculation you have no call to deem others stupid for taking another equally plausible scenario.

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 06:00 PM
The key phrase in your post is "one plausible scenario". One of many. My option is just as plausible therefore your's is not supportive of your position. It is only speculation. Since your whole position is based on speculation you have no call to deem others stupid for taking another equally plausible scenario.

I never said anyone was stupid... it seems to be the most plausible though because most people from his era in the NFL don't believe Tebow's method can work... so it seems unlikely Elway would think differently and his behavior indicates he doesn't. But I certainly don't think you are stupid for thinking otherwise and I don't ever remember saying that.. if I did I didn't intend to.. at least to anyone that didn't attack me.. :)

Requiem
07-09-2011, 07:58 PM
Tim Tebow is going to be effective this year. Smash mouth running football and his wildness are going to make the Denver Broncos a fun and competitive team to watch. At least for half the season. Go Timmy.

Houshyamama
07-09-2011, 08:44 PM
Tim Tebow is going to be effective this year. Smash mouth running football and his wildness are going to make the Denver Broncos a fun and competitive team to watch. At least for half the season. Go Timmy.

Don't you ****ing jinx him!

SoCalBronco
07-09-2011, 10:44 PM
He would make his true feelings known if he doesn't want Broncos fans to fall in love with Tebow knowing he is going to kick him to the curb. That is definitely one plausible scenario.. he could also be trying to motivate Tebow.. or both at the same time?

I would like to think that he's trying to motivate Tebow to keep working hard. I'm not sure, however, why he would think it necessary to continually degrade him in public. Anyone that is remotely familiar with Tim Tebow knows that his greatest asset, by far, is his determination and almost superhuman drive and work ethic to constantly get better. There's no need for Elway's almost constant backhanded compliments and/or critical comments. Again, I hope its simply a motivation tactic even though its unnecessary and potentially harmful, or perhaps it is a tactic used to simply drive up the trade price for Kyle Orton (on the theory that we're trying to make it appear that we want to keep him and in fact start him). That too would be an acceptable rationale for this behavior, as it does advance the Broncos interests, although the overboard nature of the comments would still be a little too much, even with a legitimate rationale behind them.

These are the motivations I would like to believe are causing Elway to go about it the way he is going about it. Another plausible view, which you had mentioned, is that he simply doesn't like Tebow in all honesty and is simply making that known. I hope that's not the case because not only would it show that Elway lacks the necessary patience needed for a de facto GM, it would also show that he is willing to burn bridges unnecessarily by making stupid statements. There's a certain demeanor and temperment you must have to run a franchise. This isn't the way of going about it. It would also confirm my core belief that he's simply unqualified for the position given his rather rudimentary level of executive experience and that he probably shouldn't be running his mouth about anything when it would be more appropriate for him to put his nose to the grindstone and get to work to turn this team around and quiet those who would rightly claim that he would never, ever have gotten this job on the merits.

I'm really hoping this is all a product of the former rather than the latter. That is my sincere hope.

In any event, the ideal situation involves a super motivated and more experienced Tebow taking opponents to the woodshed in 2011 to quiet all doubts, both internally and externally. That would be friggin sweet and I believe he will. Even without coaches he has been busting his ass this summer and come camp, whenever it comes, I think we'll see a marked improvement in his game. Hopefully, the coaches continue to tailor the offense to his strengths.

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 11:15 PM
Great post, SoCalBronco! You articulated my thoughts on it as well.

One thing I would like to add though.. the way I view Elway's take on it.. and why I think he seems so negative about Tebow, and why he may be seriously considering letting him go or moving him to another position, is that the one thing Elway can really offer the Broncos organization is all the knowledge he has as a QB.

But by having Tebow as QB Elway really can't be the expert he could if a more conventional QB was in place. Or to put it another way.. just think how much more Elway could provide to the Broncos organization IF he had a QB that was more of a conventional pocket passer.

Some people would probably say that Elway should be the ideal mentor for Tebow... but I really don't think so. Tebow revolutionized the QB position especially in the SEC. No one had ever done what he did which is why people said he couldn't do it when he first entered college. This was the same reason people said Tebow couldn't make it in the NFL. And after Steve Young watched Tebow's first NFL game he said he could revolutionize the position in the NFL. This is Steve frickin Young saying this after Mike Vick revolutionized the NFL in his own way at the same time.

So this is why i am so worried.. from what I have seen I just get the impression that Elway is likely not capable of handling this. Most NFL coaches wouldn't even be able to handle it.. and we all know how lousy star players are as coaches! do you think Elway wants to risk this once in a lifetime opportunity on a QB that is so unlike him rather than on one who is like him?

One thing that does make me wonder though.. why haven't the Broncos brought up the possibility of doing what was done last year? Having Orton as the starter with Tebow coming in as a wildcat? Is it just because the Broncos were so unsuccessful last season that they don't think that was a good idea? But they keep saying the offense wasn't the issue. So why not just do it again and let Tebow develop more? I don't agree with this.. but why isn't it even being talked about?

OR is it because Orton and Tebow had some kind of serious beef last season and they can't work together? And they are keeping this low profile because they know they have to trade Orton? One thing I noticed is that it seemed that Tebow and Orton were not at the improvised practices at the same time recently. Is this because they had some big beef maybe even actually near coming to blows?

Shananahan
07-09-2011, 11:38 PM
he may be seriously considering letting him go or moving him to another position
I'm interested in hearing some more about this opinion.

DBroncos4life
07-09-2011, 11:48 PM
I'm interested in hearing some more about this opinion.

Big fan of smoke being blown up your ass are ya?

McDman
07-09-2011, 11:57 PM
I just read this whole thread and I'm not sure I have any idea of what's going on.

Taco John
07-10-2011, 12:02 AM
Someone help a broseph out. Where does this thread get real interesting - you kn0w, like explode to 18 pages interesting?

MacGruder
07-10-2011, 12:09 AM
Four posts and not an original thought combining all of them... LOL What a waste... Maybe you guys should stick to posting pictures. LOL

DBroncos4life
07-10-2011, 12:20 AM
Four posts and not an original thought combining all of them... LOL What a waste... Maybe you guys should stick to posting pictures. LOL

worthless poster....I know you heard that lots though.

Taco John
07-10-2011, 12:31 AM
Four posts and not an original thought combining all of them... LOL What a waste... Maybe you guys should stick to posting pictures. LOL

You understand that John Elway isn't our quarterbacks coach, right?

bowtown
07-10-2011, 12:33 AM
You understand that John Elway isn't our quarterbacks coach, right?

Give him a break, he only researched Elway on Google a couple of days ago.

HAT
07-10-2011, 12:35 AM
Someone help a broseph out. Where does this thread get real interesting - you kn0w, like explode to 18 pages interesting?

It's not that it got interesting....It got trolled, the minute MacGuano came out of the woodwork.

Doggcow
07-10-2011, 12:39 AM
http://www.mallcrawlin.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4854&stc=1&d=1256169396

DBroncos4life
07-10-2011, 12:42 AM
You understand that John Elway isn't our quarterbacks coach, right?

Well he wasn't from the SEC so why would he care?

Archer81
07-10-2011, 12:43 AM
This video sums up this thread in its entirety.

<iframe width="560" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/KdS6HFQ_LUc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>



:Broncos:

myMind
07-10-2011, 12:48 AM
This video sums up this thread in its entirety.

<iframe width="560" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/KdS6HFQ_LUc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>



:Broncos:

freak show, with a following.
Scary, and sad.

The mouthpiece "artist" (Rihanwha?)
not you ser.

MacGruder
07-10-2011, 12:53 AM
You understand that John Elway isn't our quarterbacks coach, right?

Yeah.. he's the guy hiring the QB coach... and firing them.. and the guy who will be fired if the Broncos QB doesn't work out..

MacGruder
07-10-2011, 12:54 AM
Well he wasn't from the SEC so why would he care?

Which was why it probably took him so long to win a championship.. LOL

myMind
07-10-2011, 01:00 AM
Which was why it probably took him so long to win a championship.. LOL

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/2739/theyhave.jpg

Bob's your Information Minister
07-10-2011, 01:11 AM
Those quotes reek of Herm Edwards.

myMind
07-10-2011, 01:58 AM
Those quotes reek of Herm Edwards.

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/2739/theyhave.jpg

baja
07-10-2011, 09:51 AM
Someone help a broseph out. Where does this thread get real interesting - you kn0w, like explode to 18 pages interesting?

Hey I thought you were banned???

Broncobiv
07-10-2011, 10:37 AM
Someone help a broseph out. Where does this thread get real interesting - you kn0w, like explode to 18 pages interesting?

Well...it all starts waaaaaay back on page 2:

I can't agree with this. I've watched the Tebow games all offseason long, so maybe I'm a little biased, but I can't imagine any coach worth his salt looking at these games and not seeing a guy that he can win with. I wouldn't be able to sleep at nights I'd be so giddy if I were a coach whose future was riding on this guy's shoulders. Sure, he needs some work still, but in terms of the material that there is to work with here - the guy seems like a coaching dream come true to me. Again, I'm probably biased by now - but I didn't start out big on Tebow. I was an original doubter, and right now I have zero doubts about it.

Keep in mind though that Tebow is an incredible coaching challenge.. not because he isn't a good QB.. but because he is so unique and there is no blueprint of how to use him best in the NFL.. This is why I think so many people were afraid to draft him. The NFL is a "cookie cutter" league. Just look at Tom Brady.. he was a 6th round pick but because Belichick dominates with him now he is the prototype and Sam Bradford goes number 1.

After that, it turned into MacGruder vs. TheRev, and then a little later, MacGruder vs. everyone. Mainly because MacGruder is a stubborn madman with some really ridiculous ideas that he just won't let go of. Plus he says a lot of stupid crap that just begs to be called out.

Currently, 138 out of the 458 posts in this thread are by MacGruder. He is the one keeping it going by replying to EVERYONE with all sorts of inane junk. 30% of the posts in this thread are from one poster! And that's how you get to 19 pages "interesting".

OABB
07-10-2011, 10:39 AM
For me it was macgruder arguing that tom brady made sam bradford a high pick...and than when asked to back it up he insulted everyone. Than it just became a pwnfest of him. It was awesome really.

MacGruder
07-10-2011, 11:18 AM
So if the majority deems something stupid then it is the minorities duty to explain it or consider himself wrong? makes sense.... LOL

Incredibly ironic considering everyone said Tebow could never do what he has done already...

Law 38

Think as you like but Behave like others

If you make a show of going against the times, flaunting your unconventional ideas and unorthodox ways, people will think that you only want attention and that you look down upon them. They will find a way to punish you for making them feel inferior. It is far safer to blend in and nurture the common touch. Share your originality only with tolerant friends and those who are sure to appreciate your uniqueness.

OABB
07-10-2011, 11:23 AM
Law 39

If you say something stupid, dont admit it. Keep fighting for it by insulting others and even if you look even more stupid, dint give up.
Then say truth goes through three stages....

What book is this macgruder?

MacGruder
07-10-2011, 12:04 PM
So who deems what is stupid or not? The majority? The same majority that said Tebow could never make it in the NFL.. had a weak arm.. couldn't read defenses.. could never run like he did in college..

LOL

Yep.. the majority is always right...

And what else are message boards for.. but to spout the same BS everyone else is spouting.. and if not then you are on trial and deserve to be mocked for even suggesting it...

jhns
07-10-2011, 12:06 PM
So who deems what is stupid or not? The majority? The same majority that said Tebow could never make it in the NFL.. had a weak arm.. couldn't read defenses.. could never run like he did in college..

LOL

Yep.. the majority is always right...

And what else are message boards for.. but to spout the same BS everyone else is spouting.. and if not then you are on trial and deserve to be mocked for even suggesting it...

No, I would say that saying something that doesn't make sense is what makes it stupid. When you can't back up anything you say, you have said something stupid.

I never once said Tebow can't make it. I think everything you have said is pretty stupid....

Gort
07-10-2011, 12:18 PM
No, I would say that saying something that doesn't make sense is what makes it stupid. When you can't back up anything you say, you have said something stupid.

I never once said Tebow can't make it. I think everything you have said is pretty stupid....

when JHNS becomes the voice of reason... then we really are living in the end times.

Yikes!

MacGruder
07-10-2011, 12:25 PM
No, I would say that saying something that doesn't make sense is what makes it stupid. When you can't back up anything you say, you have said something stupid.

I never once said Tebow can't make it. I think everything you have said is pretty stupid....

All truth goes through three phases... first it is ridiculed.. second it is violently opposed.. third it is accepted as self evident.

Regardless of what you believe the majority DID say Tebow could never make it. How do you suggest I prove that?

If something can't be proven in an internet discussion should we not be allowed be able to voice that and be mocked and ridiculed? Even though "known facts" are proven wrong all the time...

besides.. I did prove others agreed with me about the similarities between Brady and Bradford.. in fact a site devoted to player analysis said the same thing.. and if you look online Brady and Bradford are compared constantly...

Shananahan
07-10-2011, 12:44 PM
I'm actually starting to believe/realize that he's not trolling.

Feels kinda weird.

OABB
07-10-2011, 01:33 PM
All truth goes through three phases... first it is ridiculed.. second it is violently opposed.. third it is accepted as self evident.

Regardless of what you believe the majority DID say Tebow could never make it. How do you suggest I prove that?

If something can't be proven in an internet discussion should we not be allowed be able to voice that and be mocked and ridiculed? Even though "known facts" are proven wrong all the time...

besides.. I did prove others agreed with me about the similarities between Brady and Bradford.. in fact a site devoted to player analysis said the same thing.. and if you look online Brady and Bradford are compared constantly...

what if what you are saying is not only not true, but actually stupid? like in the case of you in this thread?

MacGruder
07-10-2011, 01:39 PM
what if what you are saying is not only not true, but actually stupid? like in the case of you in this thread?

According to who? YOU the god of the internet? You and TheRev? Who the F do you think you are?

OABB
07-10-2011, 02:05 PM
According to who? YOU the god of the internet? You and TheRev? Who the F do you think you are?

I'm Internet champion, not the god of the internet, first of all.


and to answer your question, any reasonable person of average intelligence can determine that you are stupid in this thread. It really only requires a mildly functioning brain and basic reasoning abilities.

oubronco
07-10-2011, 02:15 PM
So who deems what is stupid or not? The majority? The same majority that said Tebow could never make it in the NFL.. had a weak arm.. couldn't read defenses.. could never run like he did in college..

LOL

Yep.. the majority is always right...

And what else are message boards for.. but to spout the same BS everyone else is spouting.. and if not then you are on trial and deserve to be mocked for even suggesting it...

You do realise that Tebow has only started 3 games and the jury is still out on him....right?

Oh who am I kidding your so stupid you couldn't get it if it were beat into your head with a sledgehammer

MacGruder
07-10-2011, 02:42 PM
You do realise that Tebow has only started 3 games and the jury is still out on him....right?

Oh who am I kidding your so stupid you couldn't get it if it were beat into your head with a sledgehammer

Tebow had ZERO starts when people determined he never had a chance.

You=fail.

oubronco
07-10-2011, 02:44 PM
You=Dumbass enough said

MacGruder
07-10-2011, 02:44 PM
I'm Internet champion, not the god of the internet, first of all.


and to answer your question, any reasonable person of average intelligence can determine that you are stupid in this thread. It really only requires a mildly functioning brain and basic reasoning abilities.

If you say so it must be true.. you have already imparted such wisdom in this thread..

LOL

Your stupidity is only surpassed by our insecurity..

HAT
07-10-2011, 02:59 PM
So who deems what is stupid or not? The majority?

Here's the thing MacGuano....We didn't get together and vote you stupid and/or bat **** crazy. Yes, the overwhelming MAJORITY (read: 99.9999%) happen to think that you are.

But don't mistake that for "group think". What you're failing to realize is that we all came to that conclusion independently, simply from reading the words you type.

So to answer your question, "who deems what is stupid"....We all do, every single day, on hundreds of topics.....Congrats on being the only thing the OMane has ever agreed upon entirely.

MacGruder
07-10-2011, 03:19 PM
Here's the thing MacGuano....We didn't get together and vote you stupid and/or bat **** crazy. Yes, the overwhelming MAJORITY (read: 99.9999%) happen to think that you are.

But don't mistake that for "group think". What you're failing to realize is that we all came to that conclusion independently, simply from reading the words you type.

So to answer your question, "who deems what is stupid"....We all do, every single day, on hundreds of topics.....Congrats on being the only thing the OMane has ever agreed upon entirely.

Yes.. just like the people who deemed Tebow would never make it in the NFL..

Why don't you quit judging and dog piling on people just because you disagree with them.. is this a sports message board or a cult?

Don't you realize that if the majority of idiots thinks someone is an idiot it likely means the opposite... because YOU are ALL idiots...

Jay3
07-10-2011, 03:36 PM
Don't you realize that if the majority of idiots thinks someone is an idiot it likely means the opposite... because YOU are ALL idiots...

http://i.imgur.com/6ZPLU.png

MacGruder
07-10-2011, 03:42 PM
Not you too Jay.. they got to you?

Jay3
07-10-2011, 03:44 PM
It's irresistible mind control . . . .

MacGruder
07-10-2011, 03:46 PM
It's irresistible mind control . . . .

Wow... and posting pictures too.. it MUST be...

The mob mentality is a truly scary thing..

Why is it DICKtators like TheRev bring it out so much too.. and people just follow along...

It must tap into some primitive urge..

epicSocialism4tw
07-10-2011, 03:49 PM
Not you too Jay.. they got to you?

Ha!

Archer81
07-10-2011, 03:50 PM
The dark overlords are telling me its time for doritos.

BRB.

:Broncos:

baja
07-10-2011, 03:51 PM
I like McGruder.

He's playing you all like a fiddle.

MacGruder
07-10-2011, 03:52 PM
It's so much easier to just follow along.... and that is why this country is where it is right now... it's called making a deal with the devil...

epicSocialism4tw
07-10-2011, 03:54 PM
I like McGruder.

He's playing you all like a fiddle.

You are McGruber.

Abqbronco
07-10-2011, 03:55 PM
I like McGruder.

He's playing you all like a fiddle.

Didn't I read an accusation that you are MacGruber? If that is true, this is one of the weirdest things I have ever witnessed. I, too am going to get some Doritos and watch some paint dry.

epicSocialism4tw
07-10-2011, 03:55 PM
The dark overlords are telling me its time for doritos.

BRB.

:Broncos:

Be sure to ask them if they still have my leaf blower. I'll never let them borrow that again. 6 months.

baja
07-10-2011, 03:55 PM
Nope

But I can see why you would think that.

Archer81
07-10-2011, 03:58 PM
Be sure to ask them if they still have my leaf blower. I'll never let them borrow that again. 6 months.


They said since there is no true sense of ownership, you merely lent them a leafblower. In the future if they feel you need it, they will lend it back.


:Broncos:

ozomulsion
07-10-2011, 03:59 PM
what is stupid or not?

What role do you think Jesus plays in making Tebow
a revolutionary QB?

Do you believe Jesus runs through Tebow as I do?

Archer81
07-10-2011, 04:00 PM
What role do you think Jesus plays in making Tebow
a revolutionary QB?

Do you believe Jesus runs through Tebow as I do?


Dont ask demons direct questions. Have possession movies taught you nothing?

...


:Broncos:

DBroncos4life
07-10-2011, 04:00 PM
I like McGruder.

He's playing you all like a fiddle.

How cute you like yourself.

baja
07-10-2011, 04:01 PM
Actually I love my Self

Don't you love your Self

DBroncos4life
07-10-2011, 04:06 PM
Actually I love my Self

Don't you love your Self

I guess not enough to create a fake account to piss people off. LOL

epicSocialism4tw
07-10-2011, 04:09 PM
They said since there is no true sense of ownership, you merely lent them a leafblower. In the future if they feel you need it, they will lend it back.


:Broncos:

You're right. So silly of me. I should have given them my mower as well, or at least sold it and split the money with them.

MacGruder
07-10-2011, 04:13 PM
I guess not enough to create a fake account to piss people off. LOL

It's pretty hilarious ya'll mock me for conspiracy theories and you guys are the ones with the real paranoid delusions.. lol

Not a surprise at all with the IQ we are dealing with here..

DBroncos4life
07-10-2011, 04:24 PM
It's pretty hilarious ya'll mock me for conspiracy theories and you guys are the ones with the real paranoid delusions.. lol

Not a surprise at all with the IQ we are dealing with here..

Posters with multiple accounts is a way bigger conspiracy then the government controlling the weather and using it to blow up the twin towers. ROFL!

MacGruder
07-10-2011, 04:28 PM
Posters with multiple accounts is a way bigger conspiracy then the government controlling the weather and using it to blow up the twin towers. ROFL!

Not in this case it isn't.. because one actually happened and there is evidence of it and the other is not and there is no evidence to support it.. because it's NOT true.. we are 2 different people... I think I'd KNOW LOL

Another fail.

More ignorance from team defect...

GreatBronco16
07-10-2011, 04:36 PM
Not in this case it isn't.. because one actually happened and there is evidence of it and the other is not and there is no evidence to support it.. because it's NOT true.. we are 2 different people... I think I'd KNOW LOL

Another fail.

More ignorance from team defect...

Wait, now there is 'Real' evidence of the government controlling the weather and using it to blow up the twin towers?

Wow.

GreatBronco16
07-10-2011, 04:37 PM
Nope

But I can see why you would think that.

Yeah, once you've seen one dumbass, I guess you've seen them all.

MacGruder
07-10-2011, 04:45 PM
Wait, now there is 'Real' evidence of the government controlling the weather and using it to blow up the twin towers?

Wow.

Yes there IS. It's all over..

Weather modification is a well known technology.. so are directed energy weapons - microwave technology. They were in use in the 80s and were going to be used in the Star Wars missile defense program.

Seriously.. all this banter and shenanigans is fun but I am not joking here. I understand why people are skeptical. I didn't believe it. but give it a real listen and I think you will be shocked at the real data this woman has to offer..

watch all 5 episodes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXYvvwJ5IQg&feature=channel_video_title

http://www.drjudywood.com/


Here is another good interview..

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2011/01/RIR-110118.php

This is STEEL turning into dust.. if you understand what you are looking at this is smoking gun evidence... conventional fires and collapse would not cause this.. we are not accustomed to technology like this in the public sector.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlRhkn8LLeE

baja
07-10-2011, 05:53 PM
I guess not enough to create a fake account to piss people off. LOL

Do you know somebody that did that?

You should ask a mod to look into that.

Inkana7
07-10-2011, 06:11 PM
This thread is spectacular.

orangeatheist
07-10-2011, 06:25 PM
I guess not enough to create a fake account to piss people off. LOL

No, you don't get it. Look at Baja's avatar and how he capitalized "Self." It's a New Age thing. He loves his Self, not himself. Get a Course in Miracles, that should explain it to you. :peace:

GreatBronco16
07-10-2011, 06:48 PM
Yes there IS. It's all over..

Weather modification is a well known technology.. so are directed energy weapons - microwave technology. They were in use in the 80s and were going to be used in the Star Wars missile defense program.

Seriously.. all this banter and shenanigans is fun but I am not joking here. I understand why people are skeptical. I didn't believe it. but give it a real listen and I think you will be shocked at the real data this woman has to offer..

watch all 5 episodes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXYvvwJ5IQg&feature=channel_video_title

http://www.drjudywood.com/




Here is another good interview..

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2011/01/RIR-110118.php

This is STEEL turning into dust.. if you understand what you are looking at this is smoking gun evidence... conventional fires and collapse would not cause this.. we are not accustomed to technology like this in the public sector.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlRhkn8LLeE

LOLHilarious!LOLHilarious!LOLHilarious!


Thanks, that made my evening.

bowtown
07-10-2011, 06:57 PM
But as former Nixon aide G. Gordon Liddy once told me (and he should know!), the problem with government conspiracies is that bureaucrats are incompetent and people can’t keep their mouths shut. Complex conspiracies are difficult to pull off, and so many people want their quarter hour of fame that even the Men in Black couldn’t squelch the squealers from spilling the beans. So there’s a good chance that the more elaborate a conspiracy theory is, and the more people that would need to be involved, the less likely it is true.

Why do people believe in highly improbable conspiracies? In previous columns I have provided partial answers, citing patternicity (the tendency to find meaningful patterns in random noise) and agenticity (the bent to believe the world is controlled by invisible intentional agents). Conspiracy theories connect the dots of random events into meaningful patterns and then infuse those patterns with intentional agency. Add to those propensities the confirmation bias (which seeks and finds confirmatory evidence for what we already believe) and the hindsight bias (which tailors after-the-fact explanations to what we already know happened), and we have the foundation for conspiratorial cognition.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-people-believe-in-conspiracies

Dagmar
07-10-2011, 06:59 PM
Thank you MacGruder, you wonderful retard.

Archer81
07-10-2011, 07:00 PM
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-people-believe-in-conspiracies


Well clearly that is what they want us to think.

Classic misdirection...

...


:Broncos:

MacGruder
07-10-2011, 07:09 PM
the Men in Black couldn’t squelch the squealers from spilling the beans.

This is an article posted on another message board.. the article is from one of the most respected aviation journals around.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message907287/pg1

UFOs my Ass - all man made attempts at Electrogravitic (antigravity) technology
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Paul LaViolette: The U.S. Antigravity Squadron.

Electrogravitic (antigravity) technology, under development in U.S. Air Force black R&D programs since late 1954, may now have been put to practical use in the B-2 Advanced Technology Bomber to provide an exotic auxiliary mode of propulsion. This inference is based on the recent disclosure that the B-2 charges both its wing leading edge and jet exhaust stream to a high voltage.

Positive ions emitted from its wing leading edge would produce a positively charged parabolic ion sheath ahead of the craft while negative ions injected into it's exhaust stream would set up a trailing negative space charge with a potential difference in excess of 15 million volts. According to electrogravitic research carried out by physicist T. Townsend Brown, such a differential space charge would set up an artificial gravity field that would induce a reactionless force on the aircraft in the direction of the positive pole.

An electrogravitic drive of this sort could allow the B-2 to function with over-unity propulsion efficiency when cruising at supersonic velocities.

For many years rumors circulated that the U.S. was secretly developing a highly advanced, radar-evading aircraft. Rumor turned to reality in November of 1988, when the Air Force unveiled the B-2 Advanced Technology Bomber. Although military spokesmen provided the news media with some information about the craft's outward design, and low radar and infrared profile, there was much they were silent about. However, several years later, some key secrets about the B-2 were leaked to the press.

On March 9, 1992, "Aviation Week and Space Technology" magazine made a surprising disclosure that the B-2 electrostatically charges its exhaust stream and the leading edges of its wing-like body. Those familiar with the electrogravitics research of American physicist T. Townsend Brown will quickly realize that this is tantamount to stating that the B-2 is able to function as an antigravity aircraft.

"Aviation Week" obtained their information about the B-2 from a small group of renegade west coast scientists and engineers who were formerly associated with black research projects. In making these disclosures, these scientists broke a code of silence that rivals the Mafia's. They took the risk because they felt that it was important for economic reasons that efforts be made to declassify certain black technologies for commercial use.

Two of these individuals said that their civil rights had been blatantly abused (in the name of security) either to keep them quiet or to prevent them from leaving the tightly controlled black R&D community.

Several months after "Aviation Week" published the article, black world security personnel went into high gear. That sector of the black R&D community received VERY STRONG warnings and, as a result, the group of scientists subsequently broke off contact with the magazine. Clearly, the overseers of black R&D programs were substantially concerned about the information leaks that had come out in that article.

To completely understand the significance of what was said about the B-2, one must first become familiar with Brown's work. Beginning in the mid 1920's, Townsend Brown discovered that it is possible to create an artificial gravity field by charging an electrical capacitor to a high-voltage.

He specially built a capacitor which utilized a heavy, high charge-accumulating (high K-factor) dielectric material between its plates and found that when charges with between 70,000 to 300,000 volts, it would move in the direction of its positive pole. When oriented with its positive side up, it would proceed to lose about 1 percent of it's weight.

He attributed this motion to an electrostatically-induced gravity field acting between the capacitor's oppositely charged plates. By 1958, he had succeeded in developing a 15 inch diameter model saucer that could lift over 110% of its weight!

Brown's experiments had launched a new field of investigation which came to be known as electrogravitics, the technology of controlling gravity through the use of high-voltage electric charge.

As early as 1952, an Air Force major general witnessed a demonstration in which Brown flew a pair of 18 inch disc airfoils suspended from opposite ends of a rotatable arm. When electrified with 50,000 volts, they circuited at a speed of 12 miles per hour. About a year later, he flew a set of 3 foot diameter saucers for some Air Force officials and representatives from a number of major aircraft companies.

When energized with 150,000 volts, the discs sped around the 50 foot diameter course so fast that the subject was immediately classified. "Interavia" magazine later reported that the discs would attain speeds of several hundred miles per hour when charged with several hundred thousand volts.

Thomas Valone: Electrogravitics For Advanced Propulsion.

Recently, two 1956 military documents, "Electrogravitics Systems" and "The Gravitics Situation," originally published by the Gravity Research Group of London (Special Weapons Study Unit), were declassified. Outlining T. Townsend Brown's antigravity discovery (see Atlantis Rising, Number 22, p.35; AIR International, Jan., 2000; Jane’s Defence Weekly, 10 June 1995, p.34), and the subsequent Project Winterhaven, they were a vital new chapter in aviation research. For example, the documents state, "Unlike the turbine engine, electro-gravitics is not just a new propulsion system, it is a new mode of thought in aviation and communications, and it is something that may become all-embracing."

To explain, "electrogravitics" is the science of using high voltage electricity to provide propulsive force to aircraft or spacecraft of certain geometries. Or as Jeane Manning explains, "The apparatus is pulled along by its self-generated gravity field, like a surfer riding a wave." Its discovery is often credited to Thomas Townsend Brown, a physicist who was encouraged by his professor, Dr. Paul Biefield, a former classmate of Albert Einstein. However, there are those who say that Professor Francis Nipher's experiments, electrically charging lead balls, published in the Electrical Experimenter, in 1918, predates Biefield/Brown.

MacGruder
07-10-2011, 07:14 PM
Watch this video and see what an old black project engineer says about how the government goes to incredible and disturbing lengths to keep secrets..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3975546396136405829

One of the most respected aviation journalists around wrote a book showing the documented evidence since WWII showing the antigravity technology that has been developed in secret. He is the host of the above video.. If you watch that video closely and read between the lines you see what he is trying to get across..how this alien stuff is all part of a massive disinfo campaign to keep these super technologies secret. It's called disinformation. You don't need to keep something secret.. you just bury it in nonsense or discredit it.

baja
07-10-2011, 07:16 PM
I got some remote land for sale in Baja. Water, good soil, year round growing and 360 days of sun. Perfect to survive the coming storm so as to be healthy to start rebuilding. ;D

epicSocialism4tw
07-10-2011, 07:17 PM
MacGruber, do Sasquatches fly the UFO's?

baja
07-10-2011, 07:22 PM
Watch this video and see what an old black project engineer says about how the government goes to incredible and disturbing lengths to keep secrets..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3975546396136405829

One of the most respected aviation journalists around wrote a book showing the documented evidence since WWII showing the antigravity technology that has been developed in secret. He is the host of the above video.. If you watch that video closely and read between the lines you see what he is trying to get across..how this UFO alien stuff is all part of a massive disinfo campaign to keep these super technologies secret. It's called disinformation. You don't need to keep something secret.. you just bury it in docid nonsense or discredit it.

I looked into this extensively years ago and decided it didn't matter if it were true or not. What is important is all systems seem to be breaking down with no political solution in sight. We are headed for some very difficult times. Best to be self sufficient and prepared to live in a remote location on short notice.

BTW; Enjoy your life each and every day.

DBroncos4life
07-10-2011, 07:27 PM
MacGruber, do Sasquatches fly the UFO's?

They are called wookies.

MacGruder
07-10-2011, 07:27 PM
I looked into this extensively years ago and decided it didn't matter if it were true or not. What is important is all systems seem to be breaking down with no political solution in sight. We are headed for some very difficult times. Best to be self sufficient and prepared to live in a remote location on short notice.

BTW; Enjoy your life each and every day.

That is true. Society seems to be breaking down so much and as you can see on this site - people have such an incredible disregard for individuality or common decency.. pretty scary. And they won't let technologies that allow people to live a self sustaining yet comfortable life be developed.

MacGruder
07-10-2011, 07:28 PM
They are called wookies.

Sounds like you and your crew of cronies.. hahah

HAT
07-10-2011, 07:38 PM
I like McGruder.

He's playing you all like a fiddle.

Wow....What a fall for baja. From power poster to running around snuggling up to the resident troll du jour.

How does it feel to play the part of dragster to MacGuano's jhns?

tsk tsk

epicSocialism4tw
07-10-2011, 07:38 PM
They are called wookies.

bwahahahaha! LOL

I guess MacGruber is Han Solo.

baja
07-10-2011, 07:44 PM
Wow....What a fall for baja. From power poster to running around snuggling up to the resident troll du jour.

How does it feel to play the part of dragster to MacGuano's jhns?

tsk tsk

Relax dude I agree with some of your stuff too. ;D

It's all good ya know....

epicSocialism4tw
07-10-2011, 07:49 PM
Relax dude I agree with some of your stuff too. ;D

It's all good ya know....

Most people have a crazy uncle or something. Mine's a crazy aunt. She's into all kinds of weird conspiracy and holisitc stuff.

She's pretty cool, though. Even though she's weird.

You and MacGruber can be someone's crazy uncle. Gaffney though...that dude's more like Ted Kaczynksi without the math genius.

Don't be Ted Kaczynski, Baja.

baja
07-10-2011, 08:11 PM
Most people have a crazy uncle or something. Mine's a crazy aunt. She's into all kinds of weird conspiracy and holisitc stuff.

She's pretty cool, though. Even though she's weird.

You and MacGruber can be someone's crazy uncle. Gaffney though...that dude's more like Ted Kaczynksi without the math genius.

Don't be Ted Kaczynski, Baja.

I respect all living entities. In simple terms I see them as part of the same thing I am part of therefore I would never harm them. They are me, I would only be harming myself. Do unto others and all that...

baja
07-10-2011, 08:13 PM
Why do you think I endure the insults to bring real news here. Because I care about all of you that's why.

MacGruder
07-10-2011, 09:18 PM
I respect all living entities. In simple terms I see them as part of the same thing I am part of therefore I would never harm them. They are me, I would only be harming myself. Do unto others and all that...

I have the same philosophy.. it seems that we all might live every life over time. It seems like the only fair system.

OABB
07-10-2011, 09:36 PM
I have the same philosophy.. it seems that we all might live every life over time. It seems like the only fair system.

interesting. When do you think you will get to live mine. You could use the intelligence boost.

baja
07-10-2011, 09:41 PM
interesting. When do you think you will get to live mine. You could use the intelligence boost.

At least he doesn't question one's military service in the annoying OM pack dog fashion newly infamous around here.

Only a real idiot would do something like that.

OABB
07-10-2011, 09:49 PM
At least he doesn't question one's military service in the annoying OM pack dog fashion newly infamous around here.

Only a real idiot would do something like that.

what's wrong with questioning service? aren't you a person for free expression and discussion? besides, if it's a ridiculous notion than why does it bother you?
You can question if I'm a black midget wrestler and it wouldn't matter to me in the least.

MacGruder
07-10-2011, 10:04 PM
interesting. When do you think you will get to live mine. You could use the intelligence boost.

More insecurity on display from the BOOB... Oh.. I mean OABB Such an easy slip of the fingers in your case there..

gunns
07-10-2011, 10:05 PM
he said Jesus... so obviously it's Tebow and Quinn (Notre Dame).

however, if he'd said Satan instead, then it would have been Orton.

sorry Kyle, but time for you to move on. i suggest Oakland. the Prince of Darkness is in firm control of that franchise.

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/gallery/al-davis-face/al-davis.jpg

Dude looks like he's been smoking a ton.

strafen
07-10-2011, 10:14 PM
he said Jesus... so obviously it's Tebow and Quinn (Notre Dame).

however, if he'd said Satan instead, then it would have been Orton.

sorry Kyle, but time for you to move on. i suggest Oakland. the Prince of Darkness is in firm control of that franchise.

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/gallery/al-davis-face/al-davis.jpgMan, I can't tell whether that's a real Al Davis or a photoshop! ROFL! LOL

OABB
07-10-2011, 10:15 PM
More insecurity on display from the BOOB... Oh.. I mean OABB Such an easy slip of the fingers in your case there..

You could use the humor boost as well.

epicSocialism4tw
07-10-2011, 10:16 PM
Dude looks like he's been smoking a ton.

That picture is monsterous. He looks like a bunch of loose skin folded over shark cartilage.

Someone needs to start helping that guy. I mean look at his fingernails.

baja
07-10-2011, 10:35 PM
what's wrong with questioning service? aren't you a person for free expression and discussion? besides, if it's a ridiculous notion than why does it bother you?
You can question if I'm a black midget wrestler and it wouldn't matter to me in the least.

It didn't bother me I considered the sources.

I mention it to point out a prime example of some people's herd mentality and the ignorance that conveys to other more well reasoned people.

You might want to review you style of "asking" about my service in the thread where this took place.

MacGruder
07-10-2011, 10:35 PM
You could use the humor boost as well.

Is that supposed to be an example of it? LOL

Quite a fantasy world YOU have there...

OABB
07-10-2011, 10:46 PM
It didn't bother me I considered the sources.

I mention it to point out a prime example of some people's herd mentality and the ignorance that conveys to other more well reasoned people.

You might want to review you style of "asking" about my service in the thread where this took place.

You may want to. I never questioned it. i dont care.at all. I just thought it was funny that you called me weak for not posting a picture of myself, and than when you were asked to do the same you ran away.

Its a good example of your continual inability to practice what you preach. Many others assumed you never served. I never said anything.

baja
07-10-2011, 10:49 PM
You may want to. I never questioned it. i dont care.at all. I just thought it was funny that you called me weak for not posting a picture of myself, and than when you were asked to do the same you ran away.

Its a good example of your continual inability to practice what you preach. Many others assumed you never served. <b> I never said anything.

If that is true than I apologize but I remember it differently. Not saying I got a great memory especially for mundane things.

OABB
07-10-2011, 10:51 PM
If that is true than I apologize but I remember it differently. Not saying I got a great memory especially for mundane things.

No worries. Still the best thread ever imho.

Its where I won the belt.

Boobs McGee
07-10-2011, 11:00 PM
what's wrong with questioning service? aren't you a person for free expression and discussion? besides, if it's a ridiculous notion than why does it bother you?
You can question if I'm a black midget wrestler and it wouldn't matter to me in the least.

Whoa whoa whoa. Black midget WRESTLER? Come on dude, we ALL know you're a black midget carnie. Let's not sugar coat for the sake of sugar coating. Be proud of that cabbage smell ;)

And ps what the Hell is this thread about, anyways? Abbreviated F-18 face melting version please.

OABB
07-10-2011, 11:03 PM
Whoa whoa whoa. Black midget WRESTLER? Come on dude, we ALL know you're a black midget carnie. Let's not sugar coat for the sake of sugar coating. Be proud of that cabbage smell ;)

And ps what the Hell is this thread about, anyways? Abbreviated F-18 face melting version please.

Macgruder is stupid. He said tom brady made sam bradford a high pick. And than insulted everyone that asked him to explain. Than he said more stupid stuff.

We should invite socal to a beer with us.

Boobs McGee
07-10-2011, 11:09 PM
Macgruder is stupid. He said tom brady made sam bradford a high pick. And than insulted everyone that asked him to explain. Than he said more stupid stuff.

We should invite socal to a beer with us.

Wow. And its twenty pages! Kudos to your internet kickassery...I'm sure goading that clown along wasn't TOO terribly exciting, but sometimes being the undisputed champ isn't all sunshine and unicorn farts.

That's cool with me, always up for meetin maners! Did I mention I'm gonna be out there till the 31st now?

HAT
07-10-2011, 11:11 PM
Macgruder is stupid. He said tom brady made sam bradford a high pick. And than insulted everyone that asked him to explain. Than he said more stupid stuff.

We should invite socal to a beer with us.

Let's not forget......"The SEC is tougher than the NFL" /paraphrase.

MacGruder
07-10-2011, 11:56 PM
Macgruder is stupid. He said tom brady made sam bradford a high pick. And than insulted everyone that asked him to explain. Than he said more stupid stuff.

We should invite socal to a beer with us.

The fact you have to rewrite history to make your case proves you have no case..

Thank you, moron.

MacGruder
07-11-2011, 12:06 AM
Let's not forget......"The SEC is tougher than the NFL" /paraphrase.

How else do you explain Tebow being a better runner in the NFL than he was in college then?

Tebow isn't facing SEC speed in these games now.. the same evaluating system that made scrubs like Bradford and McCoy Heisman favorites over Tebow overrates all the other players entering the NFL.. just as Tebow was underrated coming out of the SEC by playing SEC competition. Even Peyton manning was underrated coming out of college for the same reason.

The very process that made Tebow so immensely and unbelievably underrated is actually what makes the NFL less of a challenge than the SEC. Because the NFL is watered down and filled with overrated players relative to the SEC...

I am sure you will pull a TheRev level disappearing act now... and simply scoff and provide no support for your scoffing..

OABB
07-11-2011, 12:10 AM
Wow. And its twenty pages! Kudos to your internet kickassery...I'm sure goading that clown along wasn't TOO terribly exciting, but sometimes being the undisputed champ isn't all sunshine and unicorn farts.

That's cool with me, always up for meetin maners! Did I mention I'm gonna be out there till the 31st now?

It has been fun actually. Macruder is after me in other threads too. 31st? we will both be 300 pounds by that time.

DBroncos4life
07-11-2011, 12:11 AM
How else do you explain Tebow being a better runner in the NFL than he was in college then?

Tebow isn't facing SEC speed in these games now.. the same evaluating system that made scrubs like Bradford and McCoy Heisman favorites over Tebow overrates all the other players entering the NFL.. just as Tebow was underrated coming out of the SEC by playing SEC competition. Even Peyton manning was underrated coming out of college for the same reason.

The very process that made Tebow so immensely and unbelievably underrated is actually what makes the NFL less of a challenge than the SEC. Because the NFL is watered down and filled with overrated players relative to the SEC...

I am sure you will pull a TheRev level disappearing act now... and simply scoff and provide no support for your scoffing..

The first overall pick in the 1998 draft was underrated? GTFO!!!!

OABB
07-11-2011, 12:13 AM
Let's not forget......"The SEC is tougher than the NFL" /paraphrase.

Oh yeah! Forgot that one. Jeez...so much gold in that head of his.

OABB
07-11-2011, 12:16 AM
How else do you explain Tebow being a better runner in the NFL than he was in college then?

Tebow isn't facing SEC speed in these games now.. the same evaluating system that made scrubs like Bradford and McCoy Heisman favorites over Tebow overrates all the other players entering the NFL.. just as Tebow was underrated coming out of the SEC by playing SEC competition. Even Peyton manning was underrated coming out of college for the same reason.

The very process that made Tebow so immensely and unbelievably underrated is actually what makes the NFL less of a challenge than the SEC. Because the NFL is watered down and filled with overrated players relative to the SEC...

I am sure you will pull a TheRev level disappearing act now... and simply scoff and provide no support for your scoffing..

You are the best thing to happen here in a long time.

MacGruder
07-11-2011, 12:18 AM
The first overall pick in the 1998 draft was underrated? GTFO!!!!

Yes he was... Many people said it was a debate between him and Leaf.. which is just unbelievably asinine.. as asinine as it was drafting a guy who couldn't stay healthy in the soft BIG12 behind the best line in college football over Tebow in the NFL.

That would be like putting your money on Uzzi in an MMA fight over Brock Lesnar because Uzzi dominated a preschooler in his division more than Lesnar dominated Randy Couture...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw1X9dzHcqg