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Dagmar
07-06-2011, 10:57 PM
As we approach the 10th anniversary of that day, I thought people would enjoy this image from the new building.

http://i53.tinypic.com/21ovl0x.jpg

Please enjoy the image and progress before the Gaffs, Epics and Bajas destroy the thread.

myMind
07-06-2011, 11:08 PM
New York sure is an ugly ****ing city.

and btw, if your keen, you can see a hidden message in the formation of the trees.

Taco John
07-06-2011, 11:25 PM
I must not be keen.

ant1999e
07-06-2011, 11:37 PM
If you're keen you'll tell us.

That One Guy
07-06-2011, 11:48 PM
Holy crap, am I drunk?

TDmvp
07-06-2011, 11:55 PM
That is one insane view I wish they would hurry up and get it done tho.



Side note , somewhere right now Gaffstapo's Spinne (http://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the/german-word-for-spider.html) senses are tingling , over under on how many post before he invades this thread to tell us how stupid we are.

Shananahan
07-07-2011, 12:10 AM
From this article (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/tree_grows_at_ground_zero_0i0XmO64o4jS8Y66ljFFPJ#i xzz1ROg5JNPM) on the planted trees:

An elaborate subterranean irrigation system, with individual tubes running to each tree, will water and fertilizer the grove. The trees' condition, soil moisture and temperature can be monitored remotely through sensors embedded into their root balls.

Pretty crazy.

myMind
07-07-2011, 02:39 AM
If you're keen you'll tell us.

It says "we're coming for you next".
Or not... I bet Bush Jr. knows...how to clear brushwood.

Gaff- to seize or impale with a hook on a stick, or a barbed spear, for landing large fish.

myMind
07-07-2011, 02:46 AM
From this article (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/tree_grows_at_ground_zero_0i0XmO64o4jS8Y66ljFFPJ#i xzz1ROg5JNPM) on the planted trees:



Pretty crazy.

Embedding disabled...
Rebuild (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HofoK_QQxGc)

Seriously though, I hope they can make it as tranquil as possible.

Kaylore
07-07-2011, 06:23 AM
New York sure is an ugly ****ing city.

and btw, if your keen, you can see a hidden message in the formation of the trees.

I think judging a city by a shot of a construction site isn't so fair. If you look just across the street it appears much nicer.

And I too lack the power of keen.

ZachKC
07-07-2011, 07:34 AM
NYC is great.

Awesome picture.

worm
07-07-2011, 07:39 AM
New York sure is an ugly ****ing city.



It has sharp knees.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
07-07-2011, 07:41 AM
It has sharp knees.

And some ****ed up toes.

Chris
07-07-2011, 07:51 AM
This thing is only about 40% of its final height right now. I really dislike the design, both of the building(s) and the "reflecting pools".

As an aside, NY is a beautiful city. This is an ugly photo.

Boobs McGee
07-07-2011, 07:52 AM
Are those squares in the middle for elevators?

Man-Goblin
07-07-2011, 08:31 AM
You know you're afraid of heights when a picture like that freaks you out.

bowtown
07-07-2011, 08:46 AM
New York sure is an ugly ****ing city.

and btw, if your keen, you can see a hidden message in the formation of the trees.

Your face is an ugly ****ing city.

Chris
07-07-2011, 09:17 AM
YOUR FACE IS BUT A CITY OF COLD SORES AND DARK PUSSY WART HOLES OF KRAFT SINGLES

Dagmar
07-07-2011, 09:33 AM
It amazes me 10 years after the tragedy the place is still a big building site.

Requiem
07-07-2011, 09:39 AM
NYC. Yawn.

vancejohnson82
07-07-2011, 09:40 AM
It amazes me 10 years after the tragedy the place is still a big building site.

It's not even close to done.....I walk by it every day. They work tirelessly on it, around the clock, but my guess is that is was just a massive undertaking

Chris
07-07-2011, 09:51 AM
There was a ton of red tape initially to get this thing off the ground... to approve a plan that satisfied the public (aka what Bloomberg deemed acceptable enough as a memorial) and the developer (Bloomberg's buddy who needs to rebuild office buildings all around this site).

TheReverend
07-07-2011, 09:54 AM
I remain extremely excited for the eventual finished product

Chris
07-07-2011, 10:04 AM
Final design

http://blog.jetsettingmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/world-trade-center-site.jpg

Leaves much to be desired for such an important place imo.

Smiling Assassin27
07-07-2011, 10:21 AM
I think judging a city by a shot of a construction site isn't so fair. If you look just across the street it appears much nicer.

And I too lack the power of keen.


Clear as day, folks. The trees spell out:


Free LT

jhns
07-07-2011, 10:24 AM
Final design

http://blog.jetsettingmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/world-trade-center-site.jpg

Leaves much to be desired for such an important place imo.

What is wrong with it?

TheReverend
07-07-2011, 10:26 AM
What is wrong with it?

Think he was expecting a double rainbow.

Chris
07-07-2011, 10:36 AM
I would've thought you'd want to see more bulk to it reverend or some sort of transvestite wizard theme.

Jhns there's nothing wrong with it per se, I just thought the original liebskind design was more forward thinking and less commercial looking. I realise these guys have to recoup their money... but this just looks like an expensive office park to me. I'll reserve full judgment until it's done.

I think this is the original liebskind design

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/69/153300359_c6a98db7e3.jpg

TheReverend
07-07-2011, 11:10 AM
I would've thought you'd want to see more bulk to it reverend or some sort of transvestite wizard theme.

Jhns there's nothing wrong with it per se, I just thought the original liebskind design was more forward thinking and less commercial looking. I realise these guys have to recoup their money... but this just looks like an expensive office park to me. I'll reserve full judgment until it's done.

I think this is the original liebskind design

[IMG]http://farm1.static.flickr.com/69/153300359_c6a98db7e3.jpg[IMG]

I see you're still working diligently on that "Least Amusing Poster '11" award.

I'd offer "good luck" but I think it's pretty apparent you have this one in the bag.

Congrats :strong:

Pony Boy
07-07-2011, 11:21 AM
Trees were planted to show that life has returned to ground zero.

Chris
07-07-2011, 11:24 AM
I see you're still working diligently on that "Least Amusing Poster '11" award.

I'd offer "good luck" but I think it's pretty apparent you have this one in the bag.

Congrats :strong:

http://www.blackberryempire.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/beware-insecure-268x300.jpg

TheReverend
07-07-2011, 11:29 AM
http://www.blackberryempire.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/beware-insecure-268x300.jpg

...literally the last word that you could use to describe me, but cute try.

If you want to see insecurity though, there's some textbook **** of you getting all fetal position after your beautiful "I was so strong" and terrible advice gem of a post:

I've lifted weights for years and got very strong for my size (3 x 12 wide grip pull ups consistently + bench, squat and dead lift 225 at 6'0" ~ 165 lbs).

I may literally never stop laughing at that one and your subsequent replies.

Did you actually cry, or no?

p***Y

That One Guy
07-07-2011, 12:02 PM
...literally the last word that you could use to describe me, but cute try.

If you want to see insecurity though, there's some textbook **** of you getting all fetal position after your beautiful "I was so strong" and terrible advice gem of a post:



I may literally never stop laughing at that one and your subsequent replies.

Did you actually cry, or no?

p***Y

I just read through some of that thread. I quit exercising when Uncle Sam quit paying me to and I just stick to fried foods now. I figure I'll bet on a food shortage before the damage from the foods can truly have an impact. That said, one thing jumped out at me from the last post so I'm gonna mini-jack this thread - How does spicy food impact calories? Are all those hot wings better for me than mild ones? (Totally awesome, if so!)

DHallblows
07-07-2011, 12:11 PM
::) Well we got 28 posts into this thread staying on topic. Significantly above average...

Chris
07-07-2011, 02:20 PM
I may literally never stop laughing at that one and your subsequent replies.

Did you actually cry, or no?

p***Y

I fail to see how being content with myself is a mark of insecurity... but your inability to take hits while you lash out at others (in unfunny ways, mind you) makes you a grade A bagadouche.

::) Well we got 28 posts into this thread staying on topic. Significantly above average...

And look who derailed it once again. Sorry... but he's such an easy target.

I suspect this is him most nights

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lge6smDI9t1qgpzvfo1_500.png

Anyways... when this thing finally opens I'll post pics.

Dagmar
07-07-2011, 02:39 PM
::) Well we got 28 posts into this thread staying on topic. Significantly above average...

It was interesting for a wee while at least.

Fedaykin
07-07-2011, 03:33 PM
As we approach the 10th anniversary of that day, I thought people would enjoy this image from the new building.
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Is it just me or do the trees around the footprints look like they hired a drunk landscaper to try to place them in a regular pattern? They look neither regularly placed nor irregularly placed.

TheReverend
07-07-2011, 03:34 PM
I fail to see how being content with myself is a mark of insecurity... but your inability to take hits while you lash out at others (in unfunny ways, mind you) makes you a grade A bagadouche.



And look who derailed it once again. Sorry... but he's such an easy target.

I suspect this is him most nights

[img]http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lge6smDI9t1qgpzvfo1_500.png[img]

Anyways... when this thing finally opens I'll post pics.

Ummmm... Do you really not realize YOU derailed it, smart guy?

Cute reply though, again.

Chris
07-07-2011, 03:41 PM
Actually it was your inability to take it. But keep banging your head on the wall.

For the sane people on the OM (as in everyone else), here are some more renderings:

http://averydesigninteriors.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/wtc-memorial-reflecting-pool.gif5

http://averydesigninteriors.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/wtc-memorial-museum-faces-hall.jpg

http://static.worldarchitecturenews.com/news_images/12365_5_memorial2big.jpg

You can see the bit of foundation in the middle just outside the site currently.

http://0.tqn.com/d/architecture/1/7/S/h/memorialwtc_mem_8_lg.jpg

http://images.fastcompany.com/upload/arad-fountain-rendering.jpg

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/wtc-memorial-2.jpg

TheReverend
07-07-2011, 03:47 PM
Actually it was your inability to take it. But keep banging your head on the wall.


My bad. You flipping your **** over a joke about why the design isn't "good enough" for you and then posting Billy Madison pics that don't apply after losing your **** when I linked how much of a douche you are (oh and it's not "being okay with yourself" that makes you insecure, it was the rabid need to justify that you TOTALLY do feel that way... Despite acting like an insecure girl more and more with every post in that thread--dont take my word for it... Use the link)

...But I can't "take it" lol

Anxiously awaiting your next baseless and absurd "retort".

Also, still liking your avy. Do you do anything on the internet that isn't based on me?

Archer81
07-07-2011, 04:08 PM
Kind of sad it took 10 years to even get the building started. I like the design, though. Anything is better than a massive hole in the middle of Manhattan.


:Broncos:

Chris
07-07-2011, 04:26 PM
Kind of sad it took 10 years to even get the building started. I like the design, though. Anything is better than a massive hole in the middle of Manhattan.


:Broncos:

In 100 years no one will remember the gap.

bowtown
07-07-2011, 04:28 PM
If you look closely enough you can actually see me waiving from my office. I look sad because it's 6:30 and I'm still at work.

Archer81
07-07-2011, 04:29 PM
In 100 years no one will remember the gap.


I hope that is the case. It is so odd to see movies or remember the NYC skyline with the WTC towers and then see shots from today where it is simply not there.

Its not a good feeling.

:Broncos:

Dagmar
07-07-2011, 04:33 PM
I hope that is the case. It is so odd to see movies or remember the NYC skyline with the WTC towers and then see shots from today where it is simply not there.

Its not a good feeling.

:Broncos:
Like the Friends credits :(

Baba Booey
07-07-2011, 04:39 PM
New York sure is an ugly ****ing city.

No, it really isn't.

Archer81
07-07-2011, 04:40 PM
Like the Friends credits :(


I watched Independence Day on July 4. Lots of shots of the NYC skyline. It did not sit well at all to see the remains of the WTC and the Statue of Liberty on fire, even if it was just a stupid sci-fi movie.


:Broncos:

Chris
07-07-2011, 05:13 PM
I take issue as well with certain disaster scenarios that are present in not just movies but video games. NY is basically destroyed in the next call of duty game.

Archer81
07-07-2011, 07:17 PM
I take issue as well with certain disaster scenarios that are present in not just movies but video games. NY is basically destroyed in the next call of duty game.


Dont play Homefront then. You end up killing alot of Koreans on the Golden Gate Bridge. Before that point you find mass graves of Americans in a football field in Montrose, Colorado.

MW2 had me in tears at some points. Fighting Russians in the White House and killing Russians at the WW2 memorial had more of an impact then I thought it could.

:Broncos:

Baba Booey
07-07-2011, 07:38 PM
I had an internship in the Financial District last summer, only a couple blocks from ground zero. Still very surreal walking past it, even today.

The company I interned for had offices in the trade center, but I believe they had moved to a different building before the events of 9/11. Still pretty crazy cause they were in lower Manhattan that day.

TheReverend
07-07-2011, 09:00 PM
If you look closely enough you can actually see me waiving from my office. I look sad because it's 6:30 and I'm still at work.

:spit:

Amazing rendition

Chris
07-07-2011, 09:59 PM
Dont play Homefront then. You end up killing alot of Koreans on the Golden Gate Bridge. Before that point you find mass graves of Americans in a football field in Montrose, Colorado.

MW2 had me in tears at some points. Fighting Russians in the White House and killing Russians at the WW2 memorial had more of an impact then I thought it could.

:Broncos:

See my issue with cod is that it has minimal impact and that trivialises the violence. If your game is satire then I think over the top violence is perfectly within the realm. I'm a bit of a loner on this in the industry though.

Pony Boy
07-08-2011, 08:46 AM
I must not be keen.

Are you sure? look again and believe.

Chris
07-08-2011, 09:03 AM
If you look closely enough you can actually see me waiving from my office. I look sad because it's 6:30 and I'm still at work.

Psssh. Chillin on my boat.

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/6492/bowtownboat.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/bowtownboat.jpg/)

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 10:15 AM
I highly recommend everyone listen to this interview. If the USA means anything to you it is imperative.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXYvvwJ5IQg&feature=channel_video_title

Chris
07-08-2011, 10:17 AM
I highly recommend everyone listen to this interview. If the USA means anything to you it is imperative.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXYvvwJ5IQg&feature=channel_video_title

Conspiracy mullet.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 10:21 AM
Conspiracy mullet.

All truth goes through three phases.. 1st it is ridiculed. 2nd it is violently opposed. 3rd it is accepted as self evident.

You are behaving exactly as you have been conditioned to behave.

Archer81
07-08-2011, 10:33 AM
I highly recommend everyone listen to this interview. If the USA means anything to you it is imperative.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXYvvwJ5IQg&feature=channel_video_title


Video rebuttal of Macgruder's vid post...


http://youtu.be/XOGWbzUM-y8


:Broncos:

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 10:39 AM
Video rebuttal of Macgruder's vid post...


http://youtu.be/XOGWbzUM-y8


:Broncos:

It's amazing how pathetic our society has become... behavior like this is the norm... the priorities of people these days is pretty unbelievable when you think about it.

Is it because 9-11 has been politicized? do you think it's a coincidence this country is split right down the middle republican versus democrat? This creates a environment where nothing can be accomplished..

Divide and conquer.

maher_tyler
07-08-2011, 10:41 AM
Will the steel in the new buildings be able to with stand burning jet fuel or any other fire?? What improvements have they made??

Archer81
07-08-2011, 10:43 AM
It's amazing how pathetic our society has become... behavior like this is the norm... the priorities of people these days is pretty unbelievable when you think about it.

Is it because 9-11 has been politicized? do you think it's a coincidence this country is split right down the middle republican versus democrat? This creates a environment where nothing can be accomplished..

Divide and conquer.


Yes...

Because before September 11, 2001 bipartisanship, common decency and a lack of ideology disputes was the norm...

Advice before we completely derail this thread. Stop. Any nonsense you bring forth about 9/11 I will crush in a starfield of awesomeness and logical common sense.

:Broncos:

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 10:45 AM
Will the steel in the new buildings be able to with stand burning jet fuel or any other fire?? What improvements have they made??

Better yet.. will they make some better steel and concrete that doesn't turn into dust under stress?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlRhkn8LLeE

Archer81
07-08-2011, 10:46 AM
Jesus...


:Broncos:

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 10:51 AM
Yes...

Because before September 11, 2001 bipartisanship, common decency and a lack of ideology disputes was the norm...

Advice before we completely derail this thread. Stop. Any nonsense you bring forth about 9/11 I will crush in a starfield of awesomeness and logical common sense.

:Broncos:

You have to realize things have been controlled long before 9-11.. when were the buildings built? And probably even before that.. we are talking about 50 year plans here.

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 10:56 AM
You have to realize things have been controlled long before 9-11.. when were the buildings built? And probably even before that.. we are talking about 50 year plans here.

Yup. Planning on future generations continued evil and over that span of time, not a single word of it slipped.

Sounds legit.

Archer81
07-08-2011, 10:58 AM
You have to realize things have been controlled long before 9-11.. when were the buildings built? And probably even before that.. we are talking about 50 year plans here.


The buildings were built in the 1970s.

So using your own timeline, planning for 9/11 occurred around the close of the Korean War to knock down buildings not yet in existence to seize control of the US for some vague reason to divide the people along partisan lines, which before 9/11 never existed.

Is that what you are arguing?

:Broncos:

Gcver2ver3
07-08-2011, 11:00 AM
cool pic, thanks...

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 11:02 AM
Yup. Planning on future generations continued evil and over that span of time, not a single word of it slipped.

Sounds legit.

Who says it hasn't slipped? It's all well known... But don't act like governments can't do things their people aren't aware of. Just look at Nazi Germany.

This is an interview from 1967

PLAYBOY: Many of the professional critics of the Warren Commission appear to be prompted by political motives: Those on the left are anxious to prove Kennedy was murdered by a conspiracy within the establishment; and those on the right are eager to prove the assassination was an act of "the international Communist conspiracy." Where would you place yourself on the political spectrum --- right, left of center?

GARRISON: That's a question I've asked myself frequently, especially since this investigation started and I found myself in an incongruous and disillusioning battle with agencies of my own Government. I can't just sit down and add up my political beliefs like a mathematical sum, but I think, in balance, I'd turn up somewhere around the middle.

Over the years, I guess I've developed a somewhat conservative attitude --- in the traditional libertarian sense of conservatism, as opposed to the thumbscrew-and-rack conservatism of the paramilitary right --- particularly in regard to the importance of the individual as opposed to the state and the individual's own responsibilities to humanity. I don't think I've ever tried to formulate this into a coherent political philosophy, but at the root of my concern is the conviction that a human being is not a digit; he's not a digit in regard to the state and he's not a digit in the sense that he can ignore his fellow men and his obligations to society.

I was with the artillery supporting the division that took Dachau; I arrived there the day after it was taken, when bulldozers were making pyramids of human bodies outside the camp. What I saw there has haunted me ever since. Because the law is my profession, I've always wondered about the judges throughout Germany who sentenced men to jail for picking pockets at a time when their own government was jerking gold from the teeth of men murdered in gas chambers. I'm concerned about all of this because it isn't a
German phenomenon; it's a human phenomenon. It can happen here, because there has been no change and there has been no progress and there has been no increase of understanding on the part of men for their fellow man.

What worries me deeply, and I have seen it exemplified in this case, is that we in America are in great danger of slowly evolving into a proto-fascist state. It will be a different kind of fascist state from the one of the Germans evolved; theirs grew out of depression and promised bread and work, while ours, curiously enough, seems to be emerging from prosperity. But in the final analysis, it's based on power and on the inability to put human goals and human conscience above the dictates of the state. Its origins can be traced in the tremendous war machine we've built since 1945, the "military-industrial complex" that Eisenhower vainly warned us about, which now dominates every aspect of our life. The power of the states and Congress has gradually been abandoned to the Executive Department, because of war conditions; and we've seen the creation of an arrogant, swollen bureaucratic complex totally unfettered by the checks and balances of the Constitution.

In a very real and terrifying sense, our Government is the CIA and the Pentagon, with Congress reduced to a debating society. Of course, you can't spot this trend to fascism by casually looking around. You can't look for such familiar signs as the swastika, because they won't be there. We won't build Dachaus and Auschwitzes; the clever manipulation of the mass media is creating a concentration camp of the mind that promises to be far more effective in keeping the populace in line. We're not going to wake up one morning and suddenly find ourselves in gray uniforms goose-stepping off to work. But this isn't the test. The test is: What happens to the individual who dissents? In Nazi Germany, he was physically destroyed; here, the process is more subtle, but the end results can be the same.

I've learned enough about the machinations of the CIA in the past year to know that this is no longer the dreamworld America I once believed in. The imperatives of the population explosion, which almost inevitably will lessen our belief in the sanctity of the individual human life, combined with the awesome power of the CIA and the defense establishment, seem destined to seal the fate of the America I knew as a child and bring us into a new Orwellian world where the citizen exists for the state and where raw power justifies any and every immoral act. I've always had a kind of knee-jerk trust in my Government's basic integrity, whatever political blunders it may make. But I've come to realize that in Washington, deceiving and manipulating the public are viewed by some as the natural prerogatives of office. Huey Long once said, "Fascism will come to America in the name of anti-fascism." I'm afraid, based on my own experience, that fascism will come to America in the name of national security.

Bronco Yoda
07-08-2011, 11:03 AM
Will the steel in the new buildings be able to with stand burning jet fuel or any other fire?? What improvements have they made??

This building will be full of Alien tech fused with the Rockefellers family DNA.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 11:09 AM
The buildings were built in the 1970s.

So using your own timeline, planning for 9/11 occurred around the close of the Korean War to knock down buildings not yet in existence to seize control of the US for some vague reason to divide the people along partisan lines, which before 9/11 never existed.

Is that what you are arguing?

:Broncos:

I am saying this was a 50year plan in order to move society the direction they wanted to to go. And it was just one stage...

I think all in that time they were setting pieces up globally to make the moves they wanted to make.

There is a scientist that said nano thermite was found that as laced all over the structure of the building.. tons of unburnt thermite were found in the rubble.

This was juts one element that brought the buildings down. A dircted energy weapon was used and I think a form of gravity control

Do you know what resonant energy is? Did you know the Twin Towers were built as two giant tuning forks? And that the outer shell of both buildings was covered with a tuning fork like structure that ran the entire height of the building.

Did you now that the Twin towers had an incredible number of similarities with the Egyptian pyramids built into them.. they were three times the height.. had the same footprint and their perimeter was exactly twice the circumference.. did you also know the pyramids used some kind of resonant energy technology? And the Freemasons are derived from Egypt?

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 11:42 AM
^ omfg when you think it can't get any crazier... it does

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 11:50 AM
^ omfg when you think it can't get any crazier... it does

All truth goes through 3 phases.. 1st it;s ridiculed 2nd it is violently opposed 3rd it is accepted as self evident.

Haven't we already proven you are clueless about everything? Didn't the secret helicopter you said couldn't exist that exists prove you wrong emphatically?

Oh.. that's right you are still in denial about it..

LOL It's amazing how blind people can be... Are Freemasons easily brainwashed or something? Is that how you got to the 32nd degree?

That One Guy
07-08-2011, 11:54 AM
This is especially awesome for me as I just finished a three day marathon of Jericho. It's like MacGruder was watching with me.

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 11:58 AM
All truth goes through 3 phases.. 1st it;s ridiculed 2nd it is violently opposed 3rd it is accepted as self evident.

Haven't we already proven you are clueless about everything? Didn't the secret helicopter you said couldn't exist that exists prove you wrong emphatically?

Oh.. that's right you are still in denial about it..

LOL It's amazing how blind people can be... Are Freemasons easily brainwashed or something? Is that how you got to the 32nd degree?

WTF are you smoking?

I'M the one who posted what the ****ing helicopter was!

Jesus Christ...

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 12:01 PM
WTF are you smoking?

I'M the one who posted what the ****ing helicopter was!

Jesus Christ...

LMFAO

That is the dumbest most delusional bush league thing I have ever read... That was some 32nd degree BS. LOL

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 12:04 PM
LMFAO

That is the dumbest most delusional bush league thing I have ever read... That was some 32nd degree BS. LOL

Nice try baja. Do you think reminding me of my achievements upsets me?

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 12:05 PM
Deluding yourself is an achievement in your world.. is that how you become a Master Mason?

Gort
07-08-2011, 12:06 PM
^ omfg when you think it can't get any crazier... it does

so MacGruder is a Gaffney sock puppet, huh?

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 12:15 PM
Deluding yourself is an achievement in your world.. is that how you become a Master Mason?

...Says the guy claiming 9-11 was inside job that had been planned for roughly 50 years?

Hilarious!

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 12:15 PM
so MacGruder is a Gaffney sock puppet, huh?

Bigger and better. Under the pseudonym MacGruder is literally the ONLY time baja is amusing.

Bronco Yoda
07-08-2011, 12:19 PM
This is especially awesome for me as I just finished a three day marathon of Jericho. It's like MacGruder was watching with me.

That really irritated me how they just killed the show like they did.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 12:23 PM
...Says the guy claiming 9-11 was inside job that had been planned for roughly 50 years?

Hilarious!

The facts speak for themselves... As I said.. they were at least in place when the building was built.. because there was tons of thermite built into the structure.

Do some research then mock..

If you trace the history of this technology it goes back to the 50s.

Once again.. all truth goes through three phases..

Unless it's Freemason truth,.. then you just wear a hoodie and it's acccepted.. LOL

Archer81
07-08-2011, 12:28 PM
I am saying this was a 50year plan in order to move society the direction they wanted to to go. And it was just one stage...

I think all in that time they were setting pieces up globally to make the moves they wanted to make.

There is a scientist that said nano thermite was found that as laced all over the structure of the building.. tons of unburnt thermite were found in the rubble.

This was juts one element that brought the buildings down. A dircted energy weapon was used and I think a form of gravity control

Do you know what resonant energy is? Did you know the Twin Towers were built as two giant tuning forks? And that the outer shell of both buildings was covered with a tuning fork like structure that ran the entire height of the building.

Did you now that the Twin towers had an incredible number of similarities with the Egyptian pyramids built into them.. they were three times the height.. had the same footprint and their perimeter was exactly twice the circumference.. did you also know the pyramids used some kind of resonant energy technology? And the Freemasons are derived from Egypt?


"Tuning fork like structure"...aluminum and glass?

Stop. This is just embarassing. You realize the people making the plans 50 years ago are more than likely dead? So they formulate a plan for global control in the future where they wont be to grab control of people they dont know to "move society" in a nameless direction.

Tell me another one, grandpa.

:Broncos:

That One Guy
07-08-2011, 12:36 PM
That really irritated me how they just killed the show like they did.

They couldn't overcome the low ratings. They had killed it after the first season but a large fan campaign got it back for a smaller second season. The plan was that if it had finally gotten the good ratings they were expecting, they'd continue on with the show. As was, they played the season out and the ratings never were there so they went with the abrupt ending.

vancejohnson82
07-08-2011, 12:43 PM
The facts speak for themselves... As I said.. they were at least in place when the building was built.. because there was tons of thermite built into the structure.

Do some research then mock..

If you trace the history of this technology it goes back to the 50s.

Once again.. all truth goes through three phases..

Unless it's Freemason truth,.. then you just wear a hoodie and it's acccepted.. LOL

I love the usage of that word

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 12:44 PM
"Tuning fork like structure"...aluminum and glass?

Stop. This is just embarassing. You realize the people making the plans 50 years ago are more than likely dead? So they formulate a plan for global control in the future where they wont be to grab control of people they dont know to "move society" in a nameless direction.

Tell me another one, grandpa.

:Broncos:

No.. the tuning fork structure was steel. What is your point?

Why is it shocking it would involve multiple generations? Why do you think it likely involved Bush and his son.. did you know their grandfather was part of an attempted Coup in the depression? This is documented.. look it up. The same guy had connections with Nazi Germany..

who said the direction was nameless? It's called the New World Order... people everywhere are talking about it.. even the leader of Iran coincidentally. Wonder why that is....

Just keep in mind.. these people may believe they are doing the right thing.. but the Nazi's probably did too..

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 12:47 PM
I love the usage of that word

They are facts.. if you have researched this as much as I had you would understand that. Listen to the interview I posted.. she is a engineer and her work is based on the facts.

Did you know there was a hurricane off the coast of New York during 9-11 for 2 days and the media never reported it? This may have had some significance to the Twin Towers.. remember that resonant energy...

Bronco Yoda
07-08-2011, 12:47 PM
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Bronco Yoda
07-08-2011, 12:48 PM
They couldn't overcome the low ratings. They had killed it after the first season but a large fan campaign got it back for a smaller second season. The plan was that if it had finally gotten the good ratings they were expecting, they'd continue on with the show. As was, they played the season out and the ratings never were there so they went with the abrupt ending.

I was never a comic reader but I have thought about getting the series to see how it all played out.

Pick Six
07-08-2011, 12:54 PM
You know you're afraid of heights when a picture like that freaks you out.

QFT...

I couldn't look at the picture for very long...:holyguac!

That One Guy
07-08-2011, 12:56 PM
I was never a comic reader but I have thought about getting the series to see how it all played out.

Ahh.. was it based on a comic? Never knew that. Gonna have to check it out.

Archer81
07-08-2011, 01:07 PM
No.. the tuning fork structure was steel. What is your point?

Why is it shocking it would involve multiple generations? Why do you think it likely involved Bush and his son.. did you know their grandfather was part of an attempted Coup in the depression? This is documented.. look it up. The same guy had connections with Nazi Germany..

who said the direction was nameless? It's called the New World Order... people everywhere are talking about it.. even the leader of Iran coincidentally. Wonder why that is....

Just keep in mind.. these people may believe they are doing the right thing.. but the Nazi's probably did too..


Joseph Kennedy had Nazi sympathies. So did some members of the English royal family. That proves nothing. Taking a halfassed view of history to confirm bull**** conspiracy theories is weak.

:Broncos:

cutthemdown
07-08-2011, 01:12 PM
New York sure is an ugly ****ing city.

and btw, if your keen, you can see a hidden message in the formation of the trees.

That looks pretty awesome to me. I don't see NYC as ugly. Big old cities like NY have a charm all their own.

DHallblows
07-08-2011, 01:44 PM
MacGruder, can you tell me about Denver International Airport please?

Bronco Yoda
07-08-2011, 02:08 PM
Ahh.. was it based on a comic? Never knew that. Gonna have to check it out.

That's what I've heard. I'm pretty sure there's an old thread around here somewhere. I know there's peeps here that have read it. I am under the impression that the story had a long way to play out. Still can't believe that somebody didn't pick it up to continue the tv series.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 02:18 PM
Joseph Kennedy had Nazi sympathies. So did some members of the English royal family. That proves nothing. Taking a halfassed view of history to confirm bull**** conspiracy theories is weak.

:Broncos:

Did those people attempt a coup of the government and then later have their offspring in the highest office of the land?

Do you realize a coup is against everything this country is supposed to stand for?

As are secret societies...

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 02:21 PM
MacGruder, can you tell me about Denver International Airport please?

All I can tell you is that it supposedly has huge unused areas below the structure. Supposedly they changed the plans during construction which left these massive unused areas.

There was also some strange murals.. and they also had an exhibit from ancient Egypt of the god Anubis - the god of death. Don't know what all that is about though..

Anubis was supposedly the statue that the Egyptians turned into the Sphynx.

Chris
07-08-2011, 03:00 PM
All I can tell you is that it supposedly has huge unused areas below the structure. Supposedly they changed the plans during construction which left these massive unused areas.

There was also some strange murals.. and they also had an exhibit from ancient Egypt of the god Anubis - the god of death. Don't know what all that is about though..

Anubis was supposedly the statue that the Egyptians turned into the Sphynx.

Dicks. Denver airport is a giant dick.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 04:44 PM
Does anyone wonder why the richest country in the world has such a poor education system? Does anyone wonder why everyone in the US is obsessed with junk entertainment like sports and movies..

The Roman Colosseum, more correctly called the Flavian Amphitheatre, was begun by the Roman Emperor Vespasian in AD 70, as a distraction for the Roman Populace.

Does anyone wonder why the NBA and NFL are locked our right now - 2011.... The timing is interesting is it not? Maybe they don't wan us distracted anymore.. they want us to see another show..

TDmvp
07-08-2011, 05:34 PM
Does anyone wonder why the richest country in the world has such a poor education system? Does anyone wonder why everyone in the US is obsessed with junk entertainment like sports and movies..



Does anyone wonder why the NBA and NFL are locked our right now - 2011.... The timing is interesting is it not? Maybe they don't wan us distracted anymore.. they want us to see another show..



The only thing people in this thread are wondering is how someone like you who is obviously mentally challenged is working the computer.

My guess is a mental help associate is assisting you and it is kinda nice to see that we find ways to let people like yourself lead full productive lives.

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 05:42 PM
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The only thing people in this thread are wondering is how someone like you who is obviously mentally challenged is working the computer.

My guess is a mental help associate is assisting you and it is kinda nice to see that we find ways to let people like yourself lead full productive lives.

Really.. check this out.. this video was made before the Japan quake on 3-11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf7i82mVnJQ

colorado jones
07-08-2011, 05:57 PM
All truth goes through three phases.. 1st it is ridiculed. 2nd it is violently opposed. 3rd it is accepted as self evident.

You are behaving exactly as you have been conditioned to behave.

WTF did Charlie Sheen join the Mane?

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 06:06 PM
It's fascinating to see people bury their heads... even with the facts spelled out for them...

TheReverend
07-08-2011, 06:17 PM
It's fascinating to see people bury their heads... even with the facts spelled out for them...

Have you ever considered, just for a split second, that maybe the reason everybody else believes different things and mocks you is because you might, just MIGHT, be ****ing crazy?

MacGruder
07-08-2011, 06:23 PM
Have you ever considered, just for a split second, that maybe the reason everybody else believes different things and mocks you is because you might, just MIGHT, be ****ing crazy?

I would consider that if someone would actually deal with the FACTS I present rather than just responding by calling me crazy.

Did you even listen to the woman on that Youtube video? She is an engineer and dealing with facts.. go to her site.. she makes an incredibly compelling argument.

If you don't want to look at the evidence then fine.. I'm not twisting your arm.. but don't just call me crazy without actually exploring what I am saying at all..

myMind
07-08-2011, 11:14 PM
Really.. check this out.. this video was made before the Japan quake on 3-11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf7i82mVnJQ

It never fails to surprise me the lengths some people go to in order to make a buck. This video proves nothing about anything. It's almost the same shtick that psychic frauds have been using for generations. Some people want to believe things so bad, they have already done half the job of convincing themeselves that what this guy says is true. The bottom line is that any event can be loaded with signifigance and then connected to other events that have already been attributed to a theme. Whether the theme is conspiracy or not, it is not hard to pull proof of fiction out of thin air and make people believe in it. I mean, look at religion for ****s sake.

epicSocialism4tw
07-09-2011, 12:34 AM
New York sure is an ugly ****ing city.

and btw, if your keen, you can see a hidden message in the formation of the trees.

Manhattan is one of the coolest places on the planet.

I think by "keen" you mean "on acid".

ZONA
07-09-2011, 11:46 AM
Reign of Fire character Quinn "If they come, they'll burn, we'll build. Or maybe I'll just kill 'em."



Let this be the message to those ****in pussy terrorist. You may come, you may destroy, but we'll build again and kill all you MF's. Think you're actually going to take down this great county with a handful of monkey bar climbing, weak ass kung fu havin, misguided cowards. You lose this game. Figure it out.

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 12:15 PM
It never fails to surprise me the lengths some people go to in order to make a buck. This video proves nothing about anything. It's almost the same shtick that psychic frauds have been using for generations. Some people want to believe things so bad, they have already done half the job of convincing themeselves that what this guy says is true. The bottom line is that any event can be loaded with signifigance and then connected to other events that have already been attributed to a theme. Whether the theme is conspiracy or not, it is not hard to pull proof of fiction out of thin air and make people believe in it. I mean, look at religion for ****s sake.

Just ask yourself this.. let's pretend that technology was possible to control weather and natural disasters.. like earthquakes and hurricanes.. this seems impossible to us.. but realize that the government black projects could be at least 50 to 100 years ahead of the general population.

So if the government KNEW these technologies would eventually become mainstream because the general population would catch up.. which means rogue terrorist nations would get this technology.. how do you think the government wold prepare for this eventuality?

As I see ti they are using these technologies on their own terms to move society the direction thy think it has to go to prepare for the future where this tech could be used against them.

It's like using 9-11 as an excuse to take control of the middle east AND control and prevent people from pulling a 9-11 - using jumbo jets as weapons not on their terms. We probably can't even imagine all the things that the government knows terrorists could do.

Dagmar
07-09-2011, 12:19 PM
MacGrutard, are you determined to be the new forum "character"?

bowtown
07-09-2011, 12:20 PM
It's like using 9-11 as an excuse to take control of the middle east AND control and prevent people from pulling a 9-11 - using jumbo jets as weapons not on their terms. We probably can't even imagine all the things that the government knows terrorists could do.

Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!

Wait... so the governement orchestrated 9-11 in order to prevent a 9-11?

http://uroboros.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/paranoia.jpg?w=425&h=340

Archer81
07-09-2011, 12:25 PM
Just ask yourself this.. 1. let's pretend that 2. technology was possible to control weather and natural disasters.. like earthquakes and hurricanes.. this seems impossible to us.. but realize that the government black projects could be at least 50 to 100 years ahead of the general population.

So if the government KNEW these technologies would eventually become mainstream because the general population would catch up.. which means rogue terrorist nations would get this technology.. how do you think the government wold prepare for this eventuality?

3. As I see ti they are using these technologies on their own terms to move society the direction thy think it has to go to prepare for the future where this tech could be used against them.

4. It's like using 9-11 as an excuse to take control of the middle east AND control and prevent people from pulling a 9-11 - using jumbo jets as weapons not on their terms. We probably can't even imagine all the things that the government knows terrorists could do.

1. No.

2. It isn't.

3. That is illogical as hell.

4. Stop. Really. You trivialize 3,000 + deaths either to amuse yourself or push whatever the hell is sitting in your head ****ing your greymatter. Knock it off dude.

:Broncos:

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 12:26 PM
The government orchestrated 9-11 to prevent a World War III.. or a antimatter bomb taking out all of New York... and to control the world's oil resources.. which is what runs our way of life and economy.

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 12:28 PM
1. No.

2. It isn't.

3. That is illogical as hell.

4. Stop. Really. You trivialize 3,000 + deaths either to amuse yourself or push whatever the hell is sitting in your head ****ing your greymatter. Knock it off dude.

:Broncos:

Did you listen to the video I posted a link to? If you haven't then you really shouldn't be entering the discussion.

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 12:33 PM
Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!

Wait... so the governement orchestrated 9-11 in order to prevent a 9-11?

http://uroboros.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/paranoia.jpg?w=425&h=340

You really need to work on your reading comprehension...

Do you realize wars have killed millions of US citizens.. what do you think the purpose was?

Is that paranoia?

Do you realize there is documented history of our government testing deadly disease on human guinea pigs?

TDmvp
07-09-2011, 12:47 PM
Over under on how many times in one thread MacGretard can use the phrase Do you realize... I think he's at like 10 so far.

Do you realize MacGruder everyone here thinks you are a moron and odds are they are right.

But I for one love having morons like yourself here at the mane cause of the humor factor and the great time killers you guys are.

Not much is funnier and a better way to kill 5 mins then stirring up some moron like yourself and then watching them beat their heads into the wall like a pituitary retard trying to prove their point.

Good times...

Archer81
07-09-2011, 12:50 PM
Did you listen to the video I posted a link to? If you haven't then you really shouldn't be entering the discussion.


Which one of the bat**** crazy videos was I supposed to listen to?

And how does that in any way change what I said to you? You keep blabbering on about this stupid conspiracy bull**** either to amuse yourself or because you are really touched in the head. You can spout off 3 phases blah blah but it does not change the simple fact that you are crazy.

:Broncos:

Archer81
07-09-2011, 12:53 PM
You really need to work on your reading comprehension...

1. Do you realize wars have killed millions of US citizens.. what do you think the purpose was?
2. Is that paranoia?
3. Do you realize there is documented history of our government testing deadly disease on human guinea pigs?


1. This is breaking stuff. Wars kill people. Go on.

2. When you ask someone what the purpose of war is, and then ask if its paranoia...makes you look a little paranoid.

3. GASP! That MUST mean a hurricane off NYC on Sept 11 wiped out the twin towers because of "magic rays" from a weather control device created by nazis...

Do you realize how insane that sounds?

:Broncos:

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 01:07 PM
Which one of the bat**** crazy videos was I supposed to listen to?

And how does that in any way change what I said to you? You keep blabbering on about this stupid conspiracy bull**** either to amuse yourself or because you are really touched in the head. You can spout off 3 phases blah blah but it does not change the simple fact that you are crazy.

:Broncos:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXYvvwJ5IQg&feature=channel_video_title

If you want to have a discussion listen to it.. if not why are you here? To make yourself feel superior by calling me an idiot without even knowing what I am talking about?

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 01:10 PM
1. This is breaking stuff. Wars kill people. Go on.

2. When you ask someone what the purpose of war is, and then ask if its paranoia...makes you look a little paranoid.

3. GASP! That MUST mean a hurricane off NYC on Sept 11 wiped out the twin towers because of "magic rays" from a weather control device created by nazis...

Do you realize how insane that sounds?

:Broncos:

Do you realize how insane it is what happened to the Twin Towers and everyone is too stupid to realize it?

Buildings don't just completely turn into dust like that... steel doesn't turn into dust right in front of your eyes..

what is nuts is seeing that and not getting it.. it shows how stupid people are and how they know more about football than they do about the basic laws of nature..

MacGruder
07-09-2011, 01:12 PM
Over under on how many times in one thread MacGretard can use the phrase Do you realize... I think he's at like 10 so far.

Do you realize MacGruder everyone here thinks you are a moron and odds are they are right.

But I for one love having morons like yourself here at the mane cause of the humor factor and the great time killers you guys are.

Not much is funnier and a better way to kill 5 mins then stirring up some moron like yourself and then watching them beat their heads into the wall like a pituitary retard trying to prove their point.

Good times...

Is there something wrong with saying "do you realize" Is it my fault you don't realize these simple things?

Honestly though I am no better... I bought the public story for a long time too.. I thought it made no sense our own government would do this.. for what purpose? But something happened that really woke me up..

But now that I feel I do know what is going on I feel it is at least my duty to TRY to let others know.. it's the very least I can do.

eddie mac
07-09-2011, 01:42 PM
I take issue as well with certain disaster scenarios that are present in not just movies but video games. NY is basically destroyed in the next call of duty game.

It's all in the word. People take themselves far too seriously these days, that's why it's basically a crime to speak your mind anymore unless it's clean, unbiased and doesn't offend a soul on earth.

HAT
07-10-2011, 10:41 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/spdk1/top%20ten%20conspiracies/tinfoil.jpg?t=1271010049

Archer81
07-10-2011, 01:01 PM
Do you realize how insane it is what happened to the Twin Towers and everyone is too stupid to realize it?

1. Buildings don't just completely turn into dust like that... steel doesn't turn into dust right in front of your eyes..

what is nuts is seeing that and not getting it.. 2. it shows how stupid people are and how they know more about football than they do about the basic laws of nature..


1. You are dumber than I thought.

2. Either you are Gaff, or Gaff has his hand stuffed up your rectum. Either way, you suck.


:Broncos:

Archer81
07-10-2011, 01:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXYvvwJ5IQg&feature=channel_video_title

If you want to have a discussion listen to it.. if not why are you here? To make yourself feel superior by calling me an idiot without even knowing what I am talking about?


I wont discuss conspiracy theories. It is NOT based on fact. Every "fact" you bring to the table has been debunked or is ignored for being junk science.

So please, STFU.

:Broncos:

epicSocialism4tw
07-10-2011, 01:03 PM
It's all in the word. People take themselves far too seriously these days, that's why it's basically a crime to speak your mind anymore unless it's clean, unbiased and doesn't offend a soul on earth.

You should be banned for this. You just couldn't keep yourself from insulting the people who think it a crime to think your mind anymore unless its clean, unbiased, and doesn't offend a soul on earth. You really should be more sensitive.

MacGruder
07-10-2011, 01:36 PM
I wont discuss conspiracy theories. It is NOT based on fact. Every "fact" you bring to the table has been debunked or is ignored for being junk science.

So please, STFU.

:Broncos:

Right and we know people don't F'up and there are no conspiracies.. do you know what Mkultra was/ do you know they tested this on people against their will? Do you know that they destroyed almost all the documentation on this program when it was discovered? So you realize that George Bush's grandfather actually tied to orchestrate a conspiracy during the depression to overthrow the then president? This is all documented.. it's a documented conspiracy that was foiled.. but for how long?

Buildings don't just completely turn to dust.. there is video showing a steel column turning into dust before your eyes.. there is no way to debunk that. There was a hurricane off the coast of New York for 2 days around 9-11. Ye this wasn't reported on at all... This hurricane was the same size as Katrina. Do some research on government run weather control..

OABB
07-10-2011, 02:20 PM
I wish macgruder wasn't so stupid, because I have a lot of suspicions about 9-11 and I really believe that at the very least there is enough to reopen an investigation. BUt whackos like this make it impossible to have a discussion.

epicSocialism4tw
07-10-2011, 02:24 PM
I wish macgruder wasn't so stupid, because I have a lot of suspicions about 9-11 and I really believe that at the very least there is enough to reopen an investigation. BUt whackos like this make it impossible to have a discussion.

It would probably be because that subject is dominated by wackos. I think Gaffney bombed the forum with that stuff daily for years after 9/11.

MacGruder
07-10-2011, 02:41 PM
I wish macgruder wasn't so stupid, because I have a lot of suspicions about 9-11 and I really believe that at the very least there is enough to reopen an investigation. BUt whackos like this make it impossible to have a discussion.

I wish there weren't so many close minded/blind/stupid followers like you.. if there weren't 9-11 would already be solved by now..

OABB
07-10-2011, 10:59 PM
I wish there weren't so many close minded/blind/stupid followers like you.. if there weren't 9-11 would already be solved by now..

If I were those things I wouldnt question the commision stupid. God you are stupid.

Have I mentioned that yet?

mhgaffney
07-10-2011, 11:12 PM
It would probably be because that subject is dominated by wackos. I think Gaffney bombed the forum with that stuff daily for years after 9/11.

I used to think -- like you -- that conspiracy theories were wacko.

Then I did some serious research -- and woke up. You clowns still think you live in a democracy. Garbage. You have the appearance of a democracy -- but in fact we have a plutocracy. The nation is run by a tiny group of very powerful men -- mostly bankers, oil tycoons and industrialists -- who are regarded as untouchable.

It's been this way since before you were born. 9/11 was not the start of this process -- but the logical end of a long downhill slide that arguably began in 1913 with the passage of the federal reserve act. We've been going downhill ever since.

We've seen what happens on this board when reasonable people ask serious questions about 9/11. They are met with ridicule and contempt.

We have seen the same phenomenon across the country -- not just here. For example, the only member of Congress who asked real questions after 9/11 -- was drummed out in the next election. That's how it is in Amerikkka these days, the graveyard of rainbows.

The US population -- including you clowns - has been dumbed down so far -- that we have a population of walking zombies. People in this country walking around as if in a daze.

FYI, it is not this way everywhere. In places like Germany people actually read, think, and discuss real issues. It's probably the best educated place on earth. So no big surprise that a recent poll found that 89% of Germans have rejected the official story about 9/11.

I pointed this out awhile back -- and you clowns reacted with indifference. Like Frank Zapa once said - -we're all bozos on this bus.

I will excuse myself. Mainly because -- I've never been a herd animal.

MHG

MacGruder
07-10-2011, 11:52 PM
If I were those things I wouldnt question the commision stupid. God you are stupid.

Have I mentioned that yet?

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile.

I am sure you blindly followed someone else to reach that conclusion anyway...

OABB
07-11-2011, 12:05 AM
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile.

I am sure you blindly followed someone else to reach that conclusion anyway...

Nope. I base my opinions on fact and rational observation. Its how I know you are stupid.

MacGruder
07-11-2011, 12:08 AM
Nope. I base my opinions on fact and rational observation. Its how I know you are stupid.

There you go showing your insecurity again.. you sure are smart...

Archer81
07-11-2011, 12:14 AM
1. I used to think -- like you -- that conspiracy theories were wacko.

Then I did some serious research -- and woke up. 2. You clowns still think you live in a democracy. Garbage. You have the appearance of a democracy -- but in fact we have a plutocracy. The nation is run by a tiny group of very powerful men -- mostly bankers, oil tycoons and industrialists -- who are regarded as untouchable.

It's been this way since before you were born. 9/11 was not the start of this process -- but the logical end of a long downhill slide that arguably began in 1913 with the passage of the federal reserve act. We've been going downhill ever since.

3. We've seen what happens on this board when reasonable people ask serious questions about 9/11. They are met with ridicule and contempt.

We have seen the same phenomenon across the country -- not just here. For example, the only member of Congress who asked real questions after 9/11 -- was drummed out in the next election. 4. That's how it is in Amerikkka these days, the graveyard of rainbows.

5. The US population -- including you clowns - has been dumbed down so far -- that we have a population of walking zombies. People in this country walking around as if in a daze.

FYI, it is not this way everywhere. 6. In places like Germany people actually read, think, and discuss real issues. It's probably the best educated place on earth. So no big surprise that a recent poll found that 89% of Germans have rejected the official story about 9/11.

I pointed this out awhile back -- and you clowns reacted with indifference. Like Frank Zapa once said - -we're all bozos on this bus.

I will excuse myself. Mainly because -- 7. I've never been a herd animal.

MHG

1. I doubt this. You thrive on conspiracy.

2. We never have been and never will be a democracy. We are a Federal Republic. This was intentional to protect the people from a tyranny of the majority.

3. You believe the jews used mininukes to bring down the towers. This is not only asinine but completely deluded and precludes substantive discussion.

4. Do you even know what this means?

5. The people now are not dumb. Claiming they are while continually bleating for their approval says alot more about you then them.

6. I am not shocked you would consider a people that caused two world wars as well as the death of 12 million non combatants as a credible source on the death of democratic ideals in the US.

7. Yes you are. You are a truther. A complete herd animal and a total whack job.

:Broncos:

OABB
07-11-2011, 12:19 AM
.. you sure are smart...

Alll truth goes through three stages. Glad you came around.

MacGruder
07-11-2011, 12:23 AM
Alll truth goes through three stages. Glad you came around.

See... now you are blindly following me. That's what insecure idiots like yourself do...

OABB
07-11-2011, 12:29 AM
See... now you are blindly following me. That's what insecure idiots like yourself do...

True. In fact if the wtc was protected by sec players, 9/11 never would have happened.

MacGruder
07-11-2011, 12:38 AM
True. In fact if the wtc was protected by sec players, 9/11 never would have happenef.

You are a real comedic genius... I am sure that post impressed Team Defect.. you continue to do them proud...

mhgaffney
07-11-2011, 07:44 PM
I posted this in small print -- and there was not even one intelligent response.

This time it goes up in bold letters. You clowns are either vision impaired or -- more likely -- intellectually challenged.

I used to think -- like you -- that conspiracy theories were wacko.

Then I did some serious research -- and woke up. You clowns still think you live in a democracy. Garbage. You have the appearance of a democracy -- but in fact we live in a plutocracy. The nation is run by a tiny group of very powerful men -- mostly bankers, oil tycoons and industrialists -- who are regarded as untouchable.

It's been this way since before you were born. 9/11 was not the start of this process -- but the logical end of a long downhill slide that arguably began in 1913 with the passage of the federal reserve act. We've been going downhill ever since.

We've seen what happens on this board when reasonable people ask serious questions about 9/11. They are met with ridicule and contempt.

We have seen the same phenomenon across the country -- not just here. For example, the only member of Congress who asked real questions after 9/11 -- was drummed out in the next election. That's how it is in Amerikkka these days, the graveyard of rainbows.

The US population -- including you clowns - has been dumbed down so far -- that we have a population of walking zombies. People in this country walking around as if in a daze.

FYI, it is not this way everywhere. In places like Germany people actually read, think, and discuss real issues. It's probably the best educated place on earth. So no big surprise that a recent poll found that 89% of Germans have rejected the official story about 9/11.

I pointed this out awhile back -- and you clowns reacted with indifference. Like Frank Zapa once said - -we're all bozos on this bus.

I will exclude myself. Mainly because -- I've never been a herd animal.

MHG

broncocalijohn
07-11-2011, 07:50 PM
^ Gaffney, it just shows that you need your crazy voice heard. By bolding it and making it larger, doesn't mean you are correct. Your new moniker for the USA of AmeriKKKa is assinine and childish. Saying it twice won't help your cause. Maybe get a 2nd account and call it MHGubber and keep quoting your pathetic posts will get the duplication you desire.

Jason in LA
07-11-2011, 08:07 PM
New York sure is an ugly ****ing city.



New York is an awesome. When ever a topic about LA comes up, folks start ragging on the place too. It's interesting that some people just like to rip on the big cities. Kind of a small town attitude.

epicSocialism4tw
07-11-2011, 08:58 PM
New York is an awesome. When ever a topic about LA comes up, folks start ragging on the place too. It's interesting that some people just like to rip on the big cities. Kind of a small town attitude.

I don't think thats it.

That dude is a far left kind of guy. I doubt its a small town kind of thing.

bowtown
07-11-2011, 09:02 PM
Garbage.



Truth

mkporter
07-11-2011, 09:34 PM
All truth goes through three phases.. 1st it is ridiculed. 2nd it is violently opposed. 3rd it is accepted as self evident.

You are behaving exactly as you have been conditioned to behave.

And all idiocy goes through one phase.. 1st it is ridiculed. That's it.

Archer81
07-11-2011, 09:34 PM
I posted this in small print -- and there was not even one intelligent response.

This time it goes up in bold letters. You clowns are either vision impaired or -- more likely -- intellectually challenged.

1. I used to think -- like you -- that conspiracy theories were wacko.

Then I did some serious research -- and woke up. 2. You clowns still think you live in a democracy. Garbage. You have the appearance of a democracy -- but in fact we live in a plutocracy. The nation is run by a tiny group of very powerful men -- mostly bankers, oil tycoons and industrialists -- who are regarded as untouchable.

It's been this way since before you were born. 9/11 was not the start of this process -- but the logical end of a long downhill slide that arguably began in 1913 with the passage of the federal reserve act. We've been going downhill ever since.

3. We've seen what happens on this board when reasonable people ask serious questions about 9/11. They are met with ridicule and contempt.

We have seen the same phenomenon across the country -- not just here. For example, the only member of Congress who asked real questions after 9/11 -- was drummed out in the next election. 4. That's how it is in Amerikkka these days, the graveyard of rainbows.

5. The US population -- including you clowns - has been dumbed down so far -- that we have a population of walking zombies. People in this country walking around as if in a daze.

FYI, it is not this way everywhere. 6. In places like Germany people actually read, think, and discuss real issues. It's probably the best educated place on earth. So no big surprise that a recent poll found that 89% of Germans have rejected the official story about 9/11.

I pointed this out awhile back -- and you clowns reacted with indifference. Like Frank Zapa once said - -we're all bozos on this bus.

I will exclude myself. Mainly because -- 7. I've never been a herd animal.

MHG




1. I doubt this. You thrive on conspiracy.

2. We never have been and never will be a democracy. We are a Federal Republic. This was intentional to protect the people from a tyranny of the majority.

3. You believe the jews used mininukes to bring down the towers. This is not only asinine but completely deluded and precludes substantive discussion.

4. Do you even know what this means?

5. The people now are not dumb. Claiming they are while continually bleating for their approval says alot more about you then them.

6. I am not shocked you would consider a people that caused two world wars as well as the death of 12 million non combatants as a credible source on the death of democratic ideals in the US.

7. Yes you are. You are a truther. A complete herd animal and a total whack job.

Since your dumb hillbilly ass missed it the first time.

:Broncos:

TheReverend
07-11-2011, 09:42 PM
In case it hasn't crossed over to this thread, MacGruber got outed as baja in this post:

Forget which person you were logged in as??

MacGruder
07-11-2011, 09:44 PM
TheRev on a witch hunt.. big surprise...

TheReverend
07-11-2011, 09:46 PM
TheRev on a witch hunt.. big surprise...

It's over. Your sad 1k post bid for my attention has run its course.

Please log onto your main username so my ignore function works properly.

enjolras
07-11-2011, 09:50 PM
This is usually where I go "Hi there, I'm a not a structural engineer but I am a physicist" and then go into great detail about how everything that happened on 9/11 is perfectly explained by said physics.

I simply don't have the energy anymore. I'll leave it at this.

MacGruder: You're so unbelievably and insultingly wrong that it makes me sad inside. Please, if you are so interested in this topic take the time to educate yourself on the fundamental physics and engineering at work here. Spend the years that it takes to understand this stuff, and if then you still believe that it was an inside job... well then we can have an intelligent conversation about it.

MacGruder
07-11-2011, 10:08 PM
This is usually where I go "Hi there, I'm a not a structural engineer but I am a physicist" and then go into great detail about how everything that happened on 9/11 is perfectly explained by said physics.

I simply don't have the energy anymore. I'll leave it at this.

MacGruder: You're so unbelievably and insultingly wrong that it makes me sad inside. Please, if you are so interested in this topic take the time to educate yourself on the fundamental physics and engineering at work here. Spend the years that it takes to understand this stuff, and if then you still believe that it was an inside job... well then we can have an intelligent conversation about it.

Could you just tell me how steel turns to dust right in front of our eyes in this video??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlRhkn8LLeE

MacGruder
07-11-2011, 10:12 PM
It's over. Your sad 1k post bid for my attention has run its course.

Please log onto your main username so my ignore function works properly.

Wow.. you are one serious drama queen...

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 11:48 AM
Please watch these videos.. this is fascinating stuff... and surprise surprise it ties in perfectly with 9-11

1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD25S5lWCzo

2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0rzK-cgwjA&feature=related

3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAAfsPoi7uY&feature=related

4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvsZc-bf3Sc&feature=related

5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrnlqbeM1NY&feature=related

6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp5XyjKsVjg&feature=related

7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMUkAfAKn20&feature=related

Houshyamama
07-12-2011, 12:05 PM
Final design

http://blog.jetsettingmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/world-trade-center-site.jpg

Leaves much to be desired for such an important place imo.

They should build a big fake building out of cardboard with a giant target on the side of it. Surprise, Mr. A-rab!

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 12:09 PM
They should build a big fake building out of cardboard with a giant target on the side of it. Surprise, Mr. A-rab!

If you look directly over the deisgn of the new WTC deign you see that the old Twin Towers were built to match the footprint of the Giza pyramids..

And so to is the new design but it includes all three of the pyramids..

Which ties in perfectly with the video I posted above...

http://wikitravel.org/upload/shared//thumb/c/c9/Giza_pyramid_complex_(map).png/300px-Giza_pyramid_complex_(map).png

The third small building its different.. but I suspect the top of the building ties in there somehow..

The subway station below the pyramid also has this weird eye symbol motif and the eye of Horus is egyptian symbolism..

TDmvp
07-12-2011, 12:16 PM
Final design

http://blog.jetsettingmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/world-trade-center-site.jpg

Leaves much to be desired for such an important place imo.

As much as I hate Trump he had the best idea for the site ... rebuild the towers and move them over just enough not to sit in the same foot prints so you can have memorials where the first buildings stood , and build em BACK !!! ..


http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/52945439.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921F7C3FC3F69D929FD0A4FF17CB3CF7BD6 308ED4C55A89CE7A4DDFA68827626662F06BF04B24B4128C

http://www.triroc.com/wtc/pix/memorials4.jpeg
http://www.triroc.com/wtc/pix/twin.9.2.jpeg

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 12:24 PM
That is a great idea Trump had.. but that wouldn't fit in with the conspiracy... The two buildings were transformed into one to symbolize the new world order. That was the plan all along since the buildings were designed to be taken down..

Archer81
07-12-2011, 12:25 PM
So...I am supposed to take the word of researchers who not only believe Christ married Mary Magdeline and produced heirs, but believe in the Loch Ness monster and star gates..

Jesus...

:Broncos:

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 12:34 PM
So...I am supposed to take the word of researchers who not only believe Christ married Mary Magdeline and produced heirs, but believe in the Loch Ness monster and star gates..

Jesus...

:Broncos:

Did you watch chapter 7 where they show a documented government study on the subject?

There is much more evidence to show these projects are real..

Google SRI and Hal Puthoff..

Google remote viewing.. remote viewing was funded by the US government for 4 decades and ties into SRI. Read a book written by Ingo Swann who was supposedly the best government remote viewer.. this all ties into each other.

They may be wrong about what exactly is going on but all this stuff is happening.

Where are you getting the information you are claiming they believe?

TDmvp
07-12-2011, 12:41 PM
Did you watch chapter 7 where they show a documented government study on the subject?

There is much more evidence to show these projects are real..

Google SRI and Hal Puthoff..

Google remote viewing.. remote viewing was funded by the US government for 4 decades and ties into SRI. Read a book written by Ingo Swann who was supposedly the best government remote viewer.. this all ties into each other.

They may be wrong about what exactly is going on but all this stuff is happening.

Where are you getting the information you are claiming they believe?



No , no one watched chapter 7 , everyone thinks you are F-ing stupid and just trying to read your post without laughing is a challenge .

You sound borderline retarded and your gasp of the sciences that actually effected 9/11 seems to be suspect.

Your post are funny as hell tho so you got that going for you.

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 12:43 PM
You burying your head would be funny if this country wasn't so F'ed.

ghwk
07-12-2011, 01:46 PM
You burying your head would be funny if this country wasn't so F'ed.

How many voices do you hear before you go to sleep at night?

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 01:52 PM
How many voices do you hear before you go to sleep at night?

Just my girlfriend.. but she has a multiple personality disorder.. so it sounds like 3...

alkemical
07-12-2011, 02:02 PM
Just my girlfriend.. but she has a multiple personality disorder.. so it sounds like 3...

they all do ;D

Houshyamama
07-12-2011, 02:03 PM
If you look directly over the deisgn of the new WTC deign you see that the old Twin Towers were built to match the footprint of the Giza pyramids..

And so to is the new design but it includes all three of the pyramids..

Which ties in perfectly with the video I posted above...

http://wikitravel.org/upload/shared//thumb/c/c9/Giza_pyramid_complex_(map).png/300px-Giza_pyramid_complex_(map).png

The third small building its different.. but I suspect the top of the building ties in there somehow..

The subway station below the pyramid also has this weird eye symbol motif and the eye of Horus is egyptian symbolism..

Were you born on the summer solstice?

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 02:07 PM
they all do ;D

LOL

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 02:10 PM
Were you born on the summer solstice?

When is the summer solstice? I was born at the end of the summer.. I'm a Virgo

Kaylore
07-12-2011, 02:28 PM
I saw this thread was still going and had to find out why a photo was causing a seven page thread.

One word...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_fdZxeQRkFNI/Sa0hnMlEfbI/AAAAAAAABSo/LW6ixywAVD4/s400/macgruber+%286%29.jpg

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 02:30 PM
i need to make a mcgruber pic with gruden's face and some football imagery haha

Chris
07-12-2011, 02:31 PM
What this thread needs is a calming influence... and soothing voice of wisdom...

http://insearchofnessie.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/mr-belvedere.jpg

Houshyamama
07-12-2011, 02:52 PM
When is the summer solstice? I was born at the end of the summer.. I'm a Virgo

Because you have serious powers of perception. It has to be something....

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 02:59 PM
I'm extremely right brain dominant. One of the characteristics of that is pattern recognition... i always seem to see weird patterns before others and wonder why others don't see it.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
07-12-2011, 03:18 PM
What this thread needs is a calming influence... and soothing voice of wisdom...

http://insearchofnessie.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/mr-belvedere.jpg

All due respect, I think I'd rather have one of these:

http://lippieismylife.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/belvedere-vodka_0.jpg

Archer81
07-12-2011, 04:12 PM
Where are you getting the information you are claiming they believe?


Amazon.com. You see, I research authors and see what else they have written. The Lynn chick wrote a "big book of ufo's"...

I adopted the practice of checking authors after the very first post I ever read by Gaffney, who much like yourself puts stock in some oddball 9/11 conspiracy. Unlike you at least from what I have read from you, he blames the "godless zionists" for planting mininukes to bring the building down.

:Broncos:

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 04:18 PM
Amazon.com. You see, I research authors and see what else they have written. The Lynn chick wrote a "big book of ufo's"...

I adopted the practice of checking authors after the very first post I ever read by Gaffney, who much like yourself puts stock in some oddball 9/11 conspiracy. Unlike you at least from what I have read from you, he blames the "godless zionists" for planting mininukes to bring the building down.

:Broncos:

Why not just take each individual claim on it's own merit? It seems like you are just looking for an excuse to discredit someone..

What you have to keep in mind is that when you dig into this stuff and see something incredible it opens your mind.. because you then realize that things you believed before weren't accurate.

It changes your perspective.. So you may find other things that you deemed as nuts before and find out they too are real by looking into them more deeply.

Like I said.. they reference a government report that appears to be verifiable. I am not saying they are definitely right.. but it seems legit and it perfectly ties into the whole conspiracy.

Archer81
07-12-2011, 04:34 PM
1. Why not just take each individual claim on it's own merit? It seems like you are just looking for an excuse to discredit someone..

2. What you have to keep in mind is that when you dig into this stuff and see something incredible it opens your mind.. because you then realize that things you believed before weren't accurate.

3. It changes your perspective.. So you may find other things that you deemed as nuts before and find out they too are real by looking into them more deeply.
Like I said.. they reference a government report that appears to be verifiable. I am not saying they are definitely right.. 4. but it seems legit and it perfectly ties into the whole conspiracy.


1. I really dont care what others believe about lock ness or UFO's or stargates or whatever ridiculous things people want to believe in. But if someone is making a career of feeding seperate conspiracies I have to question their motives. People want to believe the world has more going on then what is actually going on. I label this the matrix/ x-files effect.

2. I am happy for you that you can find materials and other people who share your need to believe in some vast global conspiracy. Whatever floats your boat. You need to realize my perception of reality does not include heirs of Christ, nessie, stargates or remote viewing. Finding evidence that supports your view does nothing but reinforce your view. Thats not open mindedness. Thats being naive.

3. I dont see anything worth spending more than a cursory glance on in anything you presented. I dont believe in remote viewing or star gates or Jesus having children or "magic tech" so dangerous and simple the government HAS to hide it from our protection...but is banking on that no one else comes up with it on their own. Thats not logical.

4. It doesnt. When an author is writing about remote viewing, the loch Ness monster, a big book of ufo's, mary magdeline's possible divinity or a book on the "priory of sion" or whatever 9/11 theory they put forth I see two authors trying to make a quick buck on people like you who are predisposed to believe it.

In the case of 9/11, its making money soaked in the blood of the people who died in the attacks and in my view is incredibly classless and worthy of derision alone.

:Broncos:

GreatBronco16
07-12-2011, 04:42 PM
1. I really dont care what others believe about lock ness or UFO's or stargates or whatever ridiculous things people want to believe in. But if someone is making a career of feeding seperate conspiracies I have to question their motives. People want to believe the world has more going on then what is actually going on. I label this the matrix/ x-files effect.

2. I am happy for you that you can find materials and other people who share your need to believe in some vast global conspiracy. Whatever floats your boat. You need to realize my perception of reality does not include heirs of Christ, nessie, stargates or remote viewing. Finding evidence that supports your view does nothing but reinforce your view. Thats not open mindedness. Thats being naive.

3. I dont see anything worth spending more than a cursory glance on in anything you presented. I dont believe in remote viewing or star gates or Jesus having children or "magic tech" so dangerous and simple the government HAS to hide it from our protection...but is banking on that no one else comes up with it on their own. Thats not logical.

4. It doesnt. When an author is writing about remote viewing, the loch Ness monster, a big book of ufo's, mary magdeline's possible divinity or a book on the "priory of sion" or whatever 9/11 theory they put forth I see two authors trying to make a quick buck on people like you who are predisposed to believe it.

In the case of 9/11, its making money soaked in the blood of the people who died in the attacks and in my view is incredibly classless and worthy of derision alone.

:Broncos:


:notworthy

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 04:45 PM
For the record I am not a believer in Remote Viewing at all.... the government funding a BS front program like Remote Viewing is an indicator of the conspiracy going on..

This is why I recommended reading a book by the supposed best Remote Viewer in the world - Ingo Swann. All the government remote Viewers claim they have made contact with aliens.. Because they are using all of this as a cover for real black project programs.

Why do you think the government would make Remote Viewing public and advertise it and then bury info on MKUltra and antigrav?

Watch this documentary hosted by one of the most respected aviation journalists around...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3975546396136405829

If you watch this video and read his book - The Hunt for Zero Point..

He traces the development of this tech all through history to WWII. It's all documented and verifiable.

And in the video and his book he tries to very subtly show us what is going on with this disinfo campaign. Notice the part when he meets the remote viewer.. he mentions disinfo..

This guy knows how the government/military works..

Did you read this article.. it's from a major aviation journal and posted here..

The antigrav tech used in the B2 is 60 year old tech.. they likely have stuff far more advanced than this.. this is only used publicly because most are probably well aware of it in other governments by now and they aren't too concerned if someone figures it out.. because by the time they catch up to where the US gov is it will take 60 years.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message907287/pg1

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 04:49 PM
This is a quote from someone I am certain is part of a disinfo program.. he was in the Navy's version of the CIA before deciding to go into science.. then he promptly discovered Remote Viewing and became it's champion..

Hal Puthoff -

"A difficult question," Puthoff admitted. "Obviously during the Cold War one could argue that advanced forms of technological development perhaps should stay with the military. These days it is not so clear-cut. There are additional factors such as potential destabilization of economies by leapfrogging technologies in energy and transportation. In these days of increased terrorism, rogue states, etc., how it should be handled requires a lot of consideration. Anarchy we don't want, but neither do we want a police state. Tough decisions."

Archer81
07-12-2011, 05:03 PM
This is a quote from someone I am certain is part of a disinfo program...



http://tinyurl.com/5srrsou


:Broncos:

MacGruder
07-12-2011, 05:05 PM
Go to the 5:12 mark of this video.. this guy witnessed a tiny saucer like device disable a military missile in a way hat couldn't be done now and this was in the 60s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Plzo0rECew

Now keep in mind.. he has been convinced our government couldn't do this either.. as are these guys who claim to have seen saucers around nuke sites.

I think these saucers around nuke sites are disinfo too.. they want us to think aliens are trying to stop nukes. This allows us to use our saucers and enter other countries air space and examine and possibly disable their nuke bases.

This was actually how antigrav saucers were first used by the Germans.. tiny little saucerss flew up to allied aircraft trying to electronically disable them.