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baja
07-05-2011, 11:21 PM
On May 16th, Representative Ron Paul asked,

"If we are not even free anymore to decide something as basic as what we wish to eat or drink, how much freedom do we really have left?"

Paul was talking about the FDA ban on the interstate sale of raw milk for human consumption — milk that has not been pasteurized. The ban began in 1987, but the FDA didn't really begin enforcing it seriously until 2006 -- when the government began sting operations and armed raids of dairy farmers and their willing customers.

The New American reports:

"Even if the FDA were correct in its assertions about the dangers of raw milk, its prohibition on interstate raw milk sales would still be, as Paul termed it, 'an unconstitutional misapplication of the commerce clause for legislative ends' ...

Saying he is 'outraged' by the FDA's raids on peaceful dairy farmers and their customers, Paul has introduced legislation ... 'to allow the shipment and distribution of unpasteurized milk and milk products for human consumption across state lines,' in effect reversing the FDA's unconstitutional ban on such sales."

The "Food Safety Modernization Act" that was enacted earlier this year gives the FDA almost unlimited authority to decide if food is harmful, even without credible evidence. But farmers who have been persecuted by the FDA for selling raw milk, like Amish Farmer Dan Allgyer, are not backing down. Allgyer's case is going to court.

Citizens are irate that the FDA allows damaging junk food, but prevents people from making an educated, informed food choice in purchasing raw grass-fed milk.

According to the Washington Times, Attorney Jonathan Emord, who has defeated the FDA in court eight times, is focusing on the deeper issues that this case stems from. Emord says:

"We would not be here today were it not for the fact that over the past seventy-five years, the Congress of the United States has delegated away to some 230 independent regulatory commissions the power to make law, the power to execute the law, and the power to judge law violation. That delegation of governing power from Congress to the unelected heads of the regulatory agencies violates the Constitution, which vests exclusively in Congress the obligation to make law".

Sources:
The New American May 20, 2011
The Washington Times May 25, 2011

The war on raw milk, which is really an unconstitutional assault on one of your most basic rights, i.e. your right to choose what you want to eat and drink, is now in full swing and will likely intensify in the days ahead.

Amish Farmer Raided at Gun Point

Dan Allgyer, an Amish farmer, was recently caught in an FDA sting operation, after the agency planted a spy in local buying club he supplies, "Grassfed On The Hill", back in October of 2009 to gather evidence against him. His farm was raided at gun point, and eventually the Department of Justice, at the behest of FDA, filed suit in Federal District Court to obtain an injunction prohibiting Allgyer from transporting and selling raw milk across state lines.

This isn't the first time the FDA has spent US tax dollars to violently clamp down on "illegal interstate commerce," by raw milk farmers, all under the guise of doing their job and protecting the public's health…

Any level-headed person would argue that this is a poorly shrouded sham, seeing how the FDA has continuously allowed known toxins into the food supply, and those who willingly choose to harm their health are free to do so by consuming too much sugar, artificial non-food-based items, alcohol, and toxic cigarettes.

Logic notwithstanding, food safety chief and former Monsanto lawyer Michael Taylor recently defended the FDA's spying and gun-toting tactics against raw milk producers, stating that they're simply doing their job, calling the campaign "a public health duty" based on "statutory directive." And it may actually get worse than it already is, if we don't stop it. A recent article in the San Francisco Chronicle explains:

"The FDA is in the midst of writing the critical regulations that will implement the Food Safety Modernization Act Congress passed last year with applause all around from the Obama administration, Democrats and Republicans despite ferocious opposition from small-farm advocates. The sweeping new law gives the agency extraordinary powers to detain foods on farms. It also denies farmers recourse to federal courts.

On July 3, the agency will issue its new rule to detain any food it believes is unsafe, or, more critically, "mislabeled." In Allgyer's case, the entire FDA case rests on a technical violation of a ban on interstate commerce in raw milk and alleged mislabeling.

Before the new law, the FDA could only impound food when it had credible evidence the food was contaminated or posed a public health hazard. The detention powers are part of what Taylor described as a new agency focus on preventing food poisoning outbreaks rather than responding to them after the fact. Taylor described the new law as giving the agency "farm to table" control over food safety."

Taylor also stated that he will seek a "high rate of compliance" with the new rules. Compliance will be made all the more "effective" once the FDA gets its new and improved tool kit of enforcement, which will include:

Access to farm records
Mandatory recall authority
New administrative enforcement actions
Ability to revoke a farm's mandatory registration (which will be a new requirement under the law)


http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/07/06/ron-paul-vs-the-fda-milk-police.aspx

baja
07-05-2011, 11:32 PM
Aspartame good

Whole natural grass fed cow's milk bad

We are living in an upside down world.

cutthemdown
07-05-2011, 11:33 PM
Isn't milk dangerous like that? It's stupid to sell something dangerous. Then again as long as Farmers willing to be sued if anyone gets sick.......

Archer81
07-05-2011, 11:34 PM
Aspartame good

Whole natural grass fed cow's milk bad
We are living in an upside down world.

Technically cow's milk is not exactly designed for people. Raw or otherwise. We dont have the correct enzymes to break it down efficiently. Hence why alot of people has lactose issues.

And besides, milk is gross.

:Broncos:

Archer81
07-05-2011, 11:36 PM
Isn't milk dangerous like that? It's stupid to sell something dangerous. Then again as long as Farmers willing to be sued if anyone gets sick.......

And OTOH...

People have been drinking milk from cows, yak, goats and sheep for thousands of years. We are still here. If people (adults) want raw milk, let them. They take the risk and live with the consequences.

:Broncos:

Dr. Broncenstein
07-05-2011, 11:39 PM
It's a sign that maybe you shouldn't drink something if it causes you to shiat in your socks upon sneezing. That's how I look at it.

DBroncos4life
07-05-2011, 11:49 PM
It's a sign that maybe you shouldn't drink something if it causes you to shiat in your socks upon sneezing. That's how I look at it.

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ant1999e
07-06-2011, 12:28 AM
You drink your mama's milk. Once you are too old, no mo milk for you. That is until your wife gets preggo, mmmm.

cutthemdown
07-06-2011, 01:10 AM
And OTOH...

People have been drinking milk from cows, yak, goats and sheep for thousands of years. We are still here. If people (adults) want raw milk, let them. They take the risk and live with the consequences.

:Broncos:

Then why regulate anything. You could say do your own research on drugs and take them at your own risk. Instead though we have standards meant to protect public health. I admit though i have no knowledge of raw milk and if that is a good healthy option. If it is then I agree let it be legal.

Archer81
07-06-2011, 02:21 AM
Then why regulate anything. You could say do your own research on drugs and take them at your own risk. Instead though we have standards meant to protect public health. I admit though i have no knowledge of raw milk and if that is a good healthy option. If it is then I agree let it be legal.


I dont believe any government has the right to tell you what you can and cannot eat. No two people tolerate the same foods the same way. If an adult wants to buy raw milk, who the **** cares? Oddly enough the human species managed to eat whatever it could find for 2 million years, and despite the "dangers" of raw milk and a lack of a "balanced" diet we managed to get by.

This reminds me of government studies on whether or not eggs are good for you, or peanut butter. They were, then they were not. Now they are again. Do you really need a government to tell you that too much of anything could possibly be bad for you?

:Broncos:

Boomhauer
07-06-2011, 02:46 AM
Whole natural cow milk? Baja, I thought you lived in Mexico and drank horse/donkey/goat milk like the rest.

alkemical
07-06-2011, 06:16 AM
...little pink houses...for you and me!

alkemical
07-06-2011, 06:19 AM
If we drink milk, does that mean we are calfs? Aren't calfs dumb animals?

cmhargrove
07-06-2011, 07:05 AM
Is there a t-shirt for this? I'll totally buy a "Free the Amish Raw Milk Farmers" t-shirt.

Chris
07-06-2011, 08:07 AM
Anyone had cat's milk?

jhns
07-06-2011, 08:12 AM
The government should ban foods that are bad!

I can't believe the government banned food that is bad!

Can't get much dumber than that baja.

bronco militia
07-06-2011, 08:18 AM
with government healthcare on the horizon, I can see the Feds telling us what we can and cannot eat.

baja
07-06-2011, 08:23 AM
Whole natural cow milk? Baja, I thought you lived in Mexico and drank horse/donkey/goat milk like the rest.


The point is I could if I want. You, on the other hand, now have a government that raids Amish farmers at gun point because they dare continue the generations old practice of consuming and selling whole natural milk. Nobody seems to get that this is the issue here not rather cows mik is good for you or not.

Wake up people the noose is tightening and you don't even feel it.

What I don't is why are you not enraged?

Beantown Bronco
07-06-2011, 08:23 AM
I wish the government would spend a little less time raiding the Amish for their milk and a little more time raiding and shutting down their damn puppy mills......but that's another story.

jhns
07-06-2011, 08:28 AM
The point is I could if I want. You, on the other hand, now have a government that raids Amish farmers at gun point because they dare continue the generations old practice of consuming and selling whole natural milk. Nobody seems to get that this is the issue here not rather cows mik is good for you or not.

Wake up people the noose is tightening and you don't even feel it.

What I don't is why are you not enraged?

Again, all day yesterday it was that the government needs to take control of what we eat. Now it is that they are taking our freedom when they do....

You are such a joke.

baja
07-06-2011, 08:33 AM
The government should ban foods that are bad!

I can't believe the government banned food that is bad!

Can't get much dumber than that baja.

Yes billions of people over dozens of centuries have been risking their lives drinking that bad milk.

....and you call me stupid.

baja
07-06-2011, 08:37 AM
Again, all day yesterday it was that the government needs to take control of what we eat. Now it is that they are taking our freedom when they do....

You are such a joke.

So now we are comparing a natural substance that has been sustaining mankind for centuries to to a recently concocted chemical that was put on the market in spite of bad test results.

You really don't get your government is screwing you over do you.

jhns
07-06-2011, 08:37 AM
Yes billions of people over dozens of centuries have been risking their lives drinking that bad milk.

....and you call me stupid.

If you did the same study as the other thread, you would find that raw milk is much worse for people. Do you know how much fat and such is in raw milk? Did you also know that we live a lot longer now than before chemicals were in our food?

Baja isn't able to be consistent because he is just looking for attention.

I do call you stupid. Your posts prove my point.

baja
07-06-2011, 08:38 AM
with government healthcare on the horizon, I can see the Feds telling us what we can and cannot eat.

In your opinion when was the last time your government actually worked in your best interest?

Meck77
07-06-2011, 08:41 AM
What I don't is why are you not enraged?

Because what you are saying just isn't true like usual. If a family wants milk from a cow they can raise a cow. If they want to buy whole milk from a farmer you simply do it via a CSA Community sponsored agriculture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community-supported_agriculture.

We're also not enraged because we're too busy enjoying life, vacationing, and enjoying all the wonderful things American has to offer you American hating mother ****er.

Dagmar
07-06-2011, 10:51 AM
Because what you are saying just isn't true like usual. If a family wants milk from a cow they can raise a cow. If they want to buy whole milk from a farmer you simply do it via a CSA Community sponsored agriculture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community-supported_agriculture.

We're also not enraged because we're too busy enjoying life, vacationing, and enjoying all the wonderful things American has to offer you American hating mother ****er.

Baja is the new Gaff.

Garcia Bronco
07-06-2011, 10:53 AM
with government healthcare on the horizon, I can see the Feds telling us what we can and cannot eat.

And it's precisely why the Federal Government shouldn't be involved in healthcare. Just another thing the boomers and their parents ****ed up.

Dagmar
07-06-2011, 11:19 AM
Diet Gaff.
Mini Gaff.
Gaff Lite.

cmhargrove
07-06-2011, 11:32 AM
I wish the government would spend a little less time raiding the Amish for their milk and a little more time raiding and shutting down their damn puppy mills......but that's another story.

People are eating puppies too? Damn, that's sick!

Beantown Bronco
07-06-2011, 11:50 AM
People are eating puppies too? Damn, that's sick!

Don't go to Asia.

Rock Chalk
07-06-2011, 01:17 PM
Yes billions of people over dozens of centuries have been risking their lives drinking that bad milk.

....and you call me stupid.

Pasteurization reduces the risk of consuming "raw" milk. There are bacteria and, in some cases, virii in raw milk that are extremely harmful and deadly.

While people did it prior to pasteurization you will find that milk was NOT a major beverage and few people drank it dating back to pre-history. Beer is better for you than raw milk.

But please baja, PLEASE do us a favor and drink a few gallons and rid us of your idiocy.

While you are at it, go ahead and eat some raw chicken, raw pork, and raw beef just for ****s and giggles. Afterall, humans ate raw meat for thousands and thousands of years before the first caveman threw it on a fire and realized how much more awesome it is when its cooked.

alkemical
07-06-2011, 01:26 PM
http://www.kurzweilai.net/stoner-alert-mcdonalds-gets-you-legally-high

Stoner alert: McDonald’s gets you legally high
July 5, 2011 by Amara D. Angelica

Do you want marijuana chemicals with that? (Credit: McDonald's)

Fats in foods like potato chips and french fries make them nearly irresistible because they trigger natural marijuana-like chemicals in the body called endocannabinoids, researchers at the University of California, Irvine, have found.

The researchers discovered that when rats tasted something fatty, cells in their upper gut started producing endocannabinoids, while sugars and proteins did not have this effect.

How fats create, like, a buzz

It starts on the tongue, where fats in food generate a signal that travels first to your brain, and then through a nerve bundle called the vagus to your intestines. There, the signal stimulates the production of endocannabinoids, which initiates a surge in cell signaling that prompts you to totally pig out — probably by initiating the release of digestive chemicals linked to hunger and satiety that compel us to eat more. And that leads to obesity, diabetes and cancer, the researchers said.

But they suggest it might be possible to curb this process by obstructing endocannabinoid activity: for example, by using drugs that “clog” cannabinoid receptors. The trick: bypassing the brain to avoid creating anxiety and depression (which happens when endocannabinoid signaling is blocked in the brain). I’m guessing McDonald’s won’t be adding that drug to their fries.

Ref.: Daniele Piomelli, et al., An endocannabinoid signal in the gut controls dietary fat intake, PNAS, 2011; in press

IHaveALight
07-06-2011, 01:58 PM
I don't get it.
If they really had our best interest at heart they would ban rBGH and treat it like this. (Like the rest of the world has done)
Oh that's right, the same people that profit from rBGH are the people controlling the FDA and EPA.
They're probably just trying to eliminate this raw milk so they can sell more rBGH.

Either way I'll pass on both, I really wish they would give people the right to know if their dairy contains rBGH or not though. tsk tsk

jhns
07-06-2011, 02:07 PM
I don't get it.
If they really had our best interest at heart they would ban rBGH and treat it like this. (Like the rest of the world has done)
Oh that's rjight, the same people that profit from rBGH are the people controlling the FDA and EPA.b
They're probably just trying to eliminate this raw milk so they can sell more rBGH.

Either way I'll pass on both, I really wish they would give people the right to know if their dairy contains rBGH or not though. tsk tsk

What exactly do you think BGH is? Where did you hear it is bad for you? It seems you have no idea why it isn't allowed in other countries. It isn't from human health concerns...

IHaveALight
07-06-2011, 03:38 PM
What exactly do you think BGH is? Where did you hear it is bad for you? It seems you have no idea why it isn't allowed in other countries. It isn't from human health concerns...

http://www.sustainabletable.org/issues/rbgh/

Here are some of the more eye opening parts of the article.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration's (FDA) approval for rBGH came in 1993. According to opponents of the drug, effects of rBGH were never properly studied. The FDA relied solely on one study administered by Monsanto in which rBGH was tested for 90 days on 30 rats. The study was never published, and the FDA stated the results showed no significant problems.


The FDA continues to assure consumers that rBGH is safe for cows and humans, despite evidence to the contrary. In 1994, the FDA prohibited dairies from claiming there was any difference between milk from rBGH-injected cows and milk produced without the artificial hormone5. This controversy, discussed below, continues today.


In 1998, an assessment by Health Canada (Canada's equivalent of the FDA), determined Monsanto's results of their 90-day study showed concern and reasons for review before approval of rBGH5/6. Today, the European Union7, Japan8, Australia9 and Canada10 have all banned the use of rBGH due to animal and human health concerns.


A 1991 report by Rural Vermont, a nonprofit farm advocacy group, revealed serious health problems with the rBGH-injected cows that were part of a Monsanto-financed study at the University of Vermont. Problems included an alarming rise in the number of deformed calves and dramatic increases in mastitis, a painful bacterial infection of the udder which causes inflammation, swelling,11 and pus and blood secretions into milk12. To treat mastitis outbreaks, the dairy industry relies on antibiotics. Critics of rBGH point to the subsequent increase in antibiotic use (which contributes to the growing problem of antibiotic resistant bacteria) and inadequacies in the federal government's testing program for antibiotic residues in milk13. The FDA relies on pasteurization to kill off bacteria, hormones and antibiotics in milk.


By the summer of 1994, the Wisconsin Farmers Union and the National Farmers Union set up a joint hotline for dairy farmers to use when reporting problems with artificial growth hormones in cattle. One lifelong New York dairy farmer reported losing a quarter of his herd to severe mastitis after beginning rBGH injections. The same farmer reported a drastic drop in production after taking his cows off rBGH; they suddenly produced less milk then they had before going on the drug. A year later, he replaced 135 of his original 200 cows. Other farmers using rBGH report similar problems, in addition to hoof diseases, open sores and bovine death stemming from internal bleeding14.


Cows forced to produce unnaturally high quantities of milk can become malnourished because they lose more nutrients through their milk than they ingest in their feed15, and are therefore more susceptible to disease. In addition to artificial hormones, factory farms also use such methods as selective breeding, feeding dairy cows large amounts of grain (instead of grass), and exposing cows to longer periods of artificial light to make them produce more milk. Cows put under large amounts of stress do not live as long as cows that are not stressed.


Milk from rBGH-treated cows contains higher levels of IGF-1 (Insulin Growth Factor-1). Humans also naturally have IGF-1, and increased levels in humans have been linked to colon and breast cancer. Even though no direct connection has been made between elevated IGF-1 levels in milk and elevated IGF-1 levels or cancer in humans, some scientists have expressed concern over the possibility of this relationship16.

While the FDA was lax in its reviews of rBGH, Monsanto aggressively tried to suppress the health risks involved in the use of the hormone. In 2001, Jane Akre and Steve Wilson, two respected investigative journalists at a Fox News station in Tampa, Florida, were fired after months of controversy surrounding their investigative report on rBGH use in Florida dairies. According to the journalists, the station delayed airing their story and demanded they include inaccurate information about rBGH after Monsanto threatened the station with legal action17.


In 2003, Monsanto asked the state of Maine to stop issuing an official Quality Seal, which the state only grants to dairies that do not use rBGH. Maine refused. Later that year, Monsanto sued Oakhurst Dairy, Maine's largest dairy operation, over its rBGH-free labels. Ultimately, Oakhurst changed its labels, adding the statement, 'FDA States: No significant difference in milk from cows treated with artificial growth hormone.'18


The 1998 reviews by Health Canada determined the use of rBGH increases the risk of mastitis by 25 percent, affects reproductive functions, increases the risk of clinical lameness by 50 percent, and shortens the lives of cows19. Nonetheless, Monsanto lobbied the Canadian government hard to win rBGH approval. Dr. Margaret Hayden, a Health Canada researcher, reported to the Canadian Senate that officials from Monsanto had offered between $1 million to $2 million to Health Canada scientists'an offer she says could only be understood as an attempted bribe20.

In light of the potential danger to the milk-drinking public and the proven danger to cows, how could the FDA allow rBGH on the market? Critics argue the approval was the result of pressure placed on the FDA by Monsanto and its powerful lobbyists. Dr. Richard Burroughs, a senior FDA scientist overseeing the rBGH safety studies, claims he was fired because his concerns about the safety of rBGH delayed the approval process21.


Critics note and condemn a 'revolving door' between the FDA and Monsanto. For example, Michael Taylor, the FDA commissioner responsible for writing the labeling guidelines, had worked as a Monsanto lawyer for seven years before joining the FDA. While at Monsanto, he created their strategy for suppressing labeling information on rBGH. Likewise, the deputy director of the FDA's New Animal Drugs Office had been a Monsanto research scientist working on rBGH safety studies, and another researcher in the same office had done Monsanto-funded rBGH research at Cornell University, working under a paid Monsanto consultant. Congress' General Accounting Office ruled in 1994 that none of these cases of longstanding connections to Monsanto posed a conflict of interest22. There are many more ties between Monsanto and the U.S. government today, including Supreme Court Justices, the FDA, and the Environmental Protection Agency.

DBroncos4life
07-06-2011, 08:23 PM
Someday the world will be be over ran with a horrible beet army and we will thank god that Mexico was there to save us.

baja
07-06-2011, 09:19 PM
The issue is not rather whole raw milk is good or bad for you.

The issue is rather or not in is necessary to sop at gun point the sale of raw milk to those who choose to purchase it.

Is there any body at home out there?

Think people, you are not even grasping the blatant violation of your basic right of choice.

DBroncos4life
07-06-2011, 09:35 PM
The issue is not rather whole raw milk is good or bad for you.

The issue is rather or not in is necessary to sop at gun point the sale of raw milk to those who choose to purchase it.

Is there any body at home out there?

Think people, you are not even grasping the blatant violation of your basic right of choice.

So far the only person stopping me from drinking raw milk is me. When I meet a farmer that has had guns pulled on him by the "gov" I'll let you know.

baja
07-06-2011, 09:40 PM
So far the only person stopping me from drinking raw milk is me. When I meet a farmer that has had guns pulled on him by the "gov" I'll let you know.

That's right if it doesn't happen in front of your eyes it doesn't happen.

Next time the Broncos play a better team don't watch that way you can believe they won regardless of the outcome.

baja
07-06-2011, 09:41 PM
So far the only person stopping me from drinking raw milk is me. When I meet a farmer that has had guns pulled on him by the "gov" I'll let you know.

go to Whole Foods and see how much raw milk you can buy.

DBroncos4life
07-06-2011, 09:55 PM
go to Whole Foods and see how much raw milk you can buy.

I live in farm country I can buy milk when I want where I want. I will bet you a million dollars I can walk to a farm and buy milk right from a dairy farm and not have the "gov" pull guns or arrest me. I'll youtube it if you like.

I can't walk up to a rubber tree and get a condom either. People make **** end of story.

DBroncos4life
07-06-2011, 10:00 PM
How much raw milk can you buy at stores in Mexico?

GreatBronco16
07-06-2011, 10:03 PM
Aspartame good

Whole natural grass fed cow's milk bad

We are living in an upside down world.


What is this 'We' crap? If you have it sooooooo damn good down there, why in the **** do you care about what is going on here in the states?

You hate this place, great, now in words of Mock, stfu.

GreatBronco16
07-06-2011, 10:04 PM
I live in farm country I can buy milk when I want where I want. I will bet you a million dollars I can walk to a farm and buy milk right from a dairy farm and not have the "gov" pull guns or arrest me. I'll youtube it if you like.

I can't walk up to a rubber tree and get a condom either. People make **** end of story.


We have a dairy farm about 15 miles from me, and I can go there and get me some nice raw milk if I want it. They haven't had anyone coming there guns a blazing.

baja
07-06-2011, 10:05 PM
I live in farm country I can buy milk when I want where I want. I will bet you a million dollars I can walk to a farm and buy milk right from a dairy farm and not have the "gov" pull guns or arrest me. I'll youtube it if you like.

I can't walk up to a rubber tree and get a condom either. People make **** end of story.

I believe you can. If you had read the OP you would know the "crime" was interstate sales of raw milk.

Reading, it's fun!

GreatBronco16
07-06-2011, 10:09 PM
I believe you can. If you had read the OP you would know the "crime" was interstate sales of raw milk.

Reading, it's fun!

But wait, I thought the point was.....


The issue is not rather whole raw milk is good or bad for you.

The issue is rather or not in is necessary to sop at gun point the sale of raw milk to those who choose to purchase it.



Reading is fun isn't it?

baja
07-06-2011, 10:09 PM
What is this 'We' crap? If you have it sooooooo damn good down there, why in the **** do you care about what is going on here in the states?

You hate this place, great, now in words of Mock, stfu.

Actually I love the "place" that is why I bother posting this stuff.

The disappointing part is the high degree of apathy I find here.

Do you forget those that fought so hard against great odds to claim the freedoms you all are so willing surrender in the name of security?

DBroncos4life
07-06-2011, 10:09 PM
We have a dairy farm about 15 miles from me, and I can go there and get me some nice raw milk if I want it. They haven't had anyone coming there guns a blazing.

We have a dairy farm full of illegal's and the town knows it. Maybe I should call INS to give BAJA more people to compete with job wise in his lovely country.

GreatBronco16
07-06-2011, 10:11 PM
No, no, no.

You post this stuff to get the exact reactions you are getting.


Congrats.

baja
07-06-2011, 10:12 PM
We have a dairy farm full of illegal's and the town knows it. Maybe I should call INS to give BAJA more people to compete with job wise in his lovely country.

I am but a part of the I Am. Countries exist to pit one against another.

Divide and control.

alkemical
07-06-2011, 10:13 PM
cannable aminals

GreatBronco16
07-06-2011, 10:13 PM
We have a dairy farm full of illegal's and the town knows it. Maybe I should call INS to give BAJA more people to compete with job wise in his lovely country.

Well remember, he gave a couple guys a job for a few days down there. You know, doing his part to make that unemployment rate look good.

But on the other hand, if you were to do that, we would see Baja with another thread on how our government was out to lash harm against the illegals in this country.

GreatBronco16
07-06-2011, 10:14 PM
Anyone had cat's milk?

You can milk anything with nipples.;D

baja
07-06-2011, 10:15 PM
No, no, no.

You post this stuff to get the exact reactions you are getting.


Congrats.

I am not interested in spawning "reactions" They sever no one especially the one reacting.

I post this 'stuff" in hopes of prompting you to think for yourselves.

DBroncos4life
07-06-2011, 10:16 PM
I believe you can. If you had read the OP you would know the "crime" was interstate sales of raw milk.

Reading, it's fun!

You are lucky that you can buy milk straight from Amish farms. I know a few around here I can send you free milk if you would like.

baja
07-06-2011, 10:17 PM
How much raw milk can you buy at stores in Mexico?

Raw milk is easily obtainable here in Baja.

I buy it from a farmer and make my yogurt with it.

DBroncos4life
07-06-2011, 10:19 PM
Raw milk is easily obtainable here in Baja.

I buy it from a farmer and make my yogurt with it.

Mexico sucks the farmers that live next to me give it to me for free...but that's why I live in the land of the free and you live in Mexico.

baja
07-06-2011, 10:21 PM
You are lucky that you can buy milk straight from Amish farms. I know a few around here I can send you free milk if you would like.

Thank you but I don't drink milk myself ( I make yogurt ). I just defend one's right to buy this natural time tested product if they so choose.

baja
07-06-2011, 10:25 PM
Mexico sucks the farmers that live next to me give it to me for free...but that's why I live in the land of the free and you live in Mexico.

There you go stuck on the country thing again. We all live on a planet which gives us our very life yet we work hard at destroying Her all the while waving our flag of choice. Kinda silly don't ya think?.

TheReverend
07-06-2011, 10:25 PM
If I had to make my own yogurt and the water made me blow out my colon, I'd hate the US too

baja
07-06-2011, 10:34 PM
If I had to make my own yogurt and the water made me blow out my colon, I'd hate the US too

Look closer, I am not the one demonstrating hate around here, but I understand it is much more convient to hate the messenger than question that which you hold sacred.

BTW I am pleased you have taken me off ignore, I have hope for you.

DBroncos4life
07-06-2011, 10:59 PM
There you go stuck on the country thing again. We all live on a planet which gives us our very life yet we work hard at destroying Her all the while waving our flag of choice. Kinda silly don't ya think?.

well you posted this about America not the world.

DBroncos4life
07-06-2011, 11:06 PM
Look closer, I am not the one demonstrating hate around here, but I understand it is much more convient to hate the messenger than question that which you hold sacred.

BTW I am pleased you have taken me off ignore, I have hope for you.

Have you ever seen a Amish farm?

baja
07-06-2011, 11:08 PM
well you posted this about America not the world.

Well this is an NFL American football gathering place, besides I respect that amazing nobleness America once displayed for all the world to see. Before it fell that is.

DBroncos4life
07-06-2011, 11:16 PM
Well this is an NFL American football gathering place, besides I respect that amazing nobleness America once displayed for all the world to see. Before it fell that is.

So its not a NFL American football gathering place anymore? Can you point out the world teams or are you just a troll in a corner again.

DBroncos4life
07-06-2011, 11:19 PM
Hell Canada will get a team before Mexico lol

DBroncos4life
07-06-2011, 11:24 PM
Hell Mexico boo's the country that provides for it more then there own does. We love to hate our country. You guys leave yours to go to another that they hate.

baja
07-06-2011, 11:29 PM
Hell Mexico boo's the country that provides for it more then there own does. We love to hate our country. You guys leave yours to go to another that they hate.

Yet more with the "your side my side"

Dude it's a clever shinny object that completely keeps you distracted form who you really are.

DBroncos4life
07-06-2011, 11:32 PM
Yet more with the "your side my side"

Dude it's a clever shinny object that completely keeps you distracted form who you really are.

I'm whomever I want to be.

maher_tyler
07-07-2011, 12:12 AM
Isn't milk dangerous like that? It's stupid to sell something dangerous. Then again as long as Farmers willing to be sued if anyone gets sick.......

I'm sure the people buying it are well aware of the consequences. If people want to sell it and buy, let them. I don't see what the big deal is???

baja
07-07-2011, 12:46 AM
I'm whomever I want to be.

Sorry to say you are completely manufactured, so much so you don't even have a clue about it.

jhns
07-07-2011, 07:07 AM
The government should control what we eat!

The government is taking our freedom by limiting what we eat.

Can't get any dumber than that baja. How pathetic are you that you need to create drama?

Dedhed
07-07-2011, 07:10 AM
Instead though we have standards meant to protect public health.

Cigarettes..

GreatBronco16
07-07-2011, 12:19 PM
Cigarettes..

Yes I smoke them.

baja
07-11-2011, 05:26 PM
Finally people are finding their balls;


Kentucky co-op members defy government quarantine on their raw milk.


In what is perhaps the first major demonstration of courageous opposition to government tyranny, members of a Louisville, Ky.-based food cooperative recently put local and state regulatory officials in their place.

After an official from the Louisville Metro Department of Health and Wellness (LMDHW) issued both its own cease-and-desist order, as well as a quarantine order from the Kentucky Department of Health Services, against co-op members obtaining their own raw milk, members defied the order and took their milk anyway, replacing the two orders with their own signed note declaring personal ownership of their rightfully-obtained raw milk.

It all began when an inspector from LMDHW showed up at the co-op meeting spot, which in this case was a church basement. The inspector proceeded to issue the two orders to one of the co-op administrators, as well as to the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund (FTCLDF), a lawyer from whom was contacted after the inspector arrived on the scene.

But as members began to arrive to pick up their milk and noticed the orders, they jointly wrote and signed a simple note declaring that both the milk and the cows it came from were their own personal property, and they proceeded to take the milk in defiance of the phony orders.

The incident proves yet again the woeful ignorance of government workers who, in this case, did not even understand the legal role of the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) concerning food. In their "Notice and order of quarantine / voluntary destruction," officials wrote that the quarantine would remain until "all milk products ... are shown to be in compliance with FDA and state of [Kentucky] food code," even though the FDA has no such food code governing intrastate commerce.

The FDA, of course, is only permitted to regulate interstate commerce, not in-state food transactions like the ones that take place at the Louisville co-op. Not only are the co-op members not actually selling raw milk -- they merely pick up what is already theirs under their legal herd share agreement -- but none of the milk ever crosses state lines during its transaction time. And yet government workers had the audacity to issue a phony quarantine on this milk in the name of complying with made-up FDA guidelines.

In a similar act of courage, Wisconsin farmer Vernon Hershberger last year cut quarantine tape that was placed on his refrigerators by deputies and state inspectors after they decided that he was in violation of state laws concerning raw milk.

Hershberger did not actually sell the milk, but rather distributed it to the legal owners of his cows, which constituted his buying club members. Since deciding to defy that erroneous order, Hershberger has been distributing milk to his buying club members ever since, without any government interference.

These incidents and several others point to a shift in Americans' approach to government tyranny, at least as it concerns raw milk. Honest citizens buying or otherwise obtaining honest food such as raw milk no longer appear willing to just lie down and take government abuse.

Hopefully the incidents also represent a change in the way governments respond to civil disobedience. As individuals increasingly band together and fight back against the abuse, it will send a clear message to Big Brother that "We the People" are in charge, and that they work for us.


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/032956_food_co-op_raw_milk.html#ixzz1RqHEuLhW

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oubronco
07-11-2011, 05:34 PM
Sorry to say you are completely manufactured, so much so you don't even have a clue about it.

hmmm... MacGuber?

cutthemdown
07-11-2011, 06:11 PM
Cigarettes..

Not saying the govt makes sense. Then again though that's not something people eat, or give to kids with breakfast cereal.